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Speaker 2: Now is it really a slide or is it?

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Speaker 1: Hey credit Nebraska in their veteran play, and then credit

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Speaker 1: of what like three has last night if you will, right,

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Speaker 1: Let's begin with the Nebraska comeback. Does that tell us

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Speaker 3: For Purdue, I think it was the game becoming what

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Speaker 3: it was supposed all along. I think that Nebraska didn't

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Speaker 3: They're playing in a building where produce brought teams just

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Speaker 3: I think Nebraska made the shots in the second half

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Speaker 4: When you look at their ability.

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Speaker 3: To break Purdue down off the dribble and get those

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Speaker 3: I think it was it was more a credit to Nebraska.

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Speaker 4: Than it was an indictment of Perdue.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, I think there were two cardinal sims

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Speaker 3: Shooting in the final minute of regulation was just inexplicable.

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Speaker 3: guess that's just basketball. But just really weird. But I

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Speaker 3: it is an indictment of perdu. But it also illustrated

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Speaker 1: Brian Purdue, Obviously, we know they're starting five, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I thought that last night, unlike that stretch in January,

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Speaker 4: A couple extra possessions. Was that was the game?

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Speaker 3: You know, as Matt Painter said that to the game

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Speaker 1: Brian, I just tried to be the best version of

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, you help out in my being the best

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Speaker 1: as always, Man, appreciate it, no problem, Jake, Thanks man

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Speaker 1: Zach Keefer is over in Italy covering the Olympic Games

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, I am in the Italian Alps, which might

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Speaker 5: The one thing that I had to learn and like, no,

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Speaker 5: And the one thing that's crazy about the Olympics is obvious,

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Speaker 1: One of the things I find interesting, Zach Keeper is

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I find interesting in reading

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Speaker 6: I'm doing this to myself.

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Speaker 5: It is. It is absolutely wild, Jake, to see these

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Speaker 5: wearing nothing but you know, a centimeter's worth of spandex.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy to think about, Like I'm a really bad skier.

437
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 5: And I turned to a couple of times and I

438
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Speaker 5: follow a lot and like these guys like what they

439
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 5: do is is is borderline?

440
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 6: Like is this okay?

441
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 5: And you know there have been deaths like borderline, Like

442
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 5: they are flirting with death almost every time.

443
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 6: And my colleague Charlotte Harper.

444
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 5: Wrote this great story today about like the nerves and

445
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 5: the mental warfare they go through at the top of

446
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 5: a hill and one of them said like, hey, I

447
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 5: could die today, Like that's what we're talking about. And

448
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,959
Speaker 5: there's not that many stories where that here. Will out

449
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 5: Sea sports excuse me where that doesn't feel hyperbolic, but

450
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 5: it doesn't here because it's they are very much tickling

451
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 5: death every time they ski down these mountains.

452
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Speaker 1: When you cover the NFL, Zach you see Zach Keef

453
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Speaker 1: for my guests from the athletic obviously in the National

454
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Speaker 1: Football League, you know, no matter what two franchises are

455
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: playing guys are familiar with the guys on the other team.

456
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 1: They do the jersey swap afterwards, they're you know, guys

457
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 1: they played against in college and et cetera. And I

458
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: realize that no matter what sport it is, in the

459
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Speaker 1: Olympic Games, these athletes are esoterically professionally competing in the

460
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 1: non Olympic years against those that they're seeing. So there

461
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Speaker 1: is familiarity there. But there still are nations that could

462
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Speaker 1: be represented that are of you know, not within the

463
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Speaker 1: normal scheduling of said sport. Do you see familiarity amongst

464
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: the athletes across the board? Or are oftentimes athletes going

465
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: against people of countries and other such that they've never

466
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: met before, and the Olympics are the only thing that

467
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: bonds them.

468
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 6: That's another thing that's been so unique.

469
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 5: They all know each other and they all root for

470
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 5: each other, at least in the events that I'm covering,

471
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 5: Like these are all you know, Cawer culture kids, right,

472
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 5: they grew up in Salt Lake or Park City the

473
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 5: Americans at least, or Colorado Springs or Steamboat and we're

474
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 5: in skis at two years old or was in a

475
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 5: snowboard at six years old and never got out of

476
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 5: it right, Like Chloe Kim was asked today about like

477
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 5: like she hadn't competed in ten months and she's got

478
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 5: a dislocated shoulder, and she gets out there today and

479
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 5: she completely dominates the first run of snowboarding walls, and

480
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 5: everyone afterward is like any rust Like were you know

481
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 5: rusty at all? And she's like, I've been snowboarding for

482
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 5: twenty two years, Like I can snowboard better than I

483
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 5: can walk. So they all grew up together, and they

484
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 5: grew up competing against each other, and it's not as

485
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 5: cutthroat as you think. Like a Hall is such a

486
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 5: refreshing professional athlete. He won silver yesterday in the slope

487
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 5: style event where you ski down the hill and do

488
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 5: a bunch of tricks on your way down, and he

489
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 5: was like literally rooting for the other guys at the

490
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 5: end of his run yesterday, like to beat him, like

491
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Speaker 5: just because like they don't root.

492
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 6: Against each other.

493
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 5: They want their competitors to land their jumps, to pull

494
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 5: off their tricks. It is certainly not what I see

495
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 5: in the NFL, And it's almost, you know, in the

496
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 5: end of the American way is like win or else.

497
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 5: He's a little bit different in that regard. It's been refreshing.

498
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 5: They certainly root for each other and they're all friends,

499
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 5: and it's very different in a lot of ways than

500
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Speaker 5: what I'm used to.

501
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Speaker 2: What's the best story you've witnessed?

502
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you this.

503
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Speaker 5: Mattie Shaffrick is an American snowboarder and she was left

504
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 5: in tears today because she didn't make the final. And

505
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 5: I just reached out to her to tell her thank

506
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 5: you for letting me.

507
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 6: Write about her.

508
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago. She turned pro at fourteen.

509
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 5: She quit it twenty because she hated snowboarding. She hated it.

510
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 6: She was depressed.

511
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 5: She went to AA, she went to her parents' basement

512
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 5: because she had no money, and she ended up working

513
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 5: as a plumber. And then she got into coaching a

514
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 5: little bit and decided to give it one.

515
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Speaker 6: Last shot as a thirty year old.

516
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you, all these snowboarders out here are

517
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 5: like seventeen, eighteen, nineteen twenty, and she was thirty and

518
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 5: she made it like she qualified for the US Olympic

519
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 5: team in December and January.

520
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 6: She made it all the way here.

521
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 5: She was really bummed that she didn't make the finals today,

522
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 5: but I told her, like, forget the metal of like

523
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 5: forget the success, Like that's what the Olympics are about.

524
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 5: And it was really cool to see that thirty years

525
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 5: old making her first Olympic team after working as a

526
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 5: plumber not that long ago.

527
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: So needless to say, craft you on the halfpipe, right,

528
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, would that be pretty obvious if you're plumber

529
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: going into snowboarding?

530
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: Do you want to use that? I mean, I'm sure

531
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm not the first to come up with that, right.

532
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 5: Jake, I wrote sixteen hundred words on her and did

533
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 5: not think of that one time. I'm kind of a shamed,

534
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 5: but I'm also not surprised that you noticed it.

535
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: I you know, I do what I can. Were you

536
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: able to go to Zach the opening ceremonies?

537
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 6: No, Milan is like five hours away.

538
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: Okay, so I didn't know if like you went you know,

539
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: A to B or you know, but you just you're

540
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: in that area. So the areas that you are covering

541
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: obviously snowboarding, skiing, that's pretty much everything in the area

542
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: where you are.

543
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: Not that that's not a lot. I mean there's plenty there, right, Yeah.

544
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 5: And then next week I get into ski mountaineering, which

545
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 5: is new, which essentially might be the most grueling sport

546
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 5: on the planet. They climb a mountain with skis, then

547
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 5: they change into different skis and ski down it, and

548
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 5: they do this over and over again. I think it's

549
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 5: got to be like right up there with triathlons, is

550
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 5: like the most grueling sport on the planet. So it

551
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 5: makes just the digin of that one.

552
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Speaker 1: It's it's a fascinating journey for you. I mean, I'm

553
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: I think everybody would say that they're envious. I know

554
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: that you are aware of the fortune you have in

555
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: doing it, but more importantly responsibility of helping bring it

556
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: to us, which you do with each and every time

557
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: that you write sixteen hundred words or whatever it may

558
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: be on the different athletes. Everything from athletes skiing with

559
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: a cadaver in them after multiple surgeries to coming back

560
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: from you know, personal despair, all of it covered at

561
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: the Athletic with Zach Kiefer. Zach appreciate the time as always.

562
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: How many people are on the bus by the way right.

563
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 5: Now, there's two one of them's driving, thank goodness, and

564
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 5: me we had a couple drop off a couple of

565
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 5: minutes ago.

566
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 6: So it's a strengthy bus.

567
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: Right now, you got the whole bus to yourself.

568
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I mean it's a long trip.

569
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 5: I'm telling you it's not ideal.

570
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: So the driver is Italian, obviously, right, Yes? How far

571
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: away are you sitting from the driver?

572
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 6: I'm about a couple of feet from behind him.

573
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: Does he speak English?

574
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: Can you get him to say an Italian like, you know,

575
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: a quarry and company, it's beautiful to be in the company.

576
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Can you get him to say that, like really loud?

577
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 5: I'm a little nervous, asked, because we are on the

578
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 5: side of a mountain.

579
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 6: Right now, and if he takes his focus off, you.

580
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 5: Might you might hear the end of me, the end

581
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 5: of This guy.

582
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Does it all the time, Zach, Okay, fine, It's like

583
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: listen him. This guy driving around that mountain is the

584
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: same as you trying to navigate the with the Meridian

585
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: street between forty second and forty fourth. You've done it

586
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: a million times, right, you get a bump here there half.

587
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 6: Way, Lit's do it this way.

588
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 5: I have bought jammamine and peptobysmo for these drives because

589
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 5: you are acted on the stomach.

590
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, Well, keep it between keep it

591
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: between the lines. Zach appreciate the time as always.

592
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 6: Thanks guys.

593
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 2: All right, that's Zach. Keep for joining us on the

594
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: Java House Appeeling port guest line. Very good stuff and

595
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: fascinating stuff. And I tell you now, it makes me

596
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 2: want to go there. I mean, I've been to Italy,

597
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 2: but not into the Alps of Italy. And I've been

598
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: to the Alps, but not the Alps of Switzerland or Italy. Uh,

599
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: And that sounds like it would be absolutely beautiful, no

600
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: question about it.

601
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Speaker 1: One of the best programs in college basketball taking on

602
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Butler tonight seven thirty tip the Dogs in Yukon. You

603
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: can hear it on our sister station, Fuego coming up

604
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: again seven point thirty tonight, pregame at seven o'clock. Nick

605
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: Gardner will be on the radio call for it. And

606
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Nick reality is this. This is a challenge for Butler

607
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: because trying to get back.

608
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: In the win column.

609
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: But it comes not only against one of the best

610
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: teams in the country, but in addition to that, where

611
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: Butler has had to and I want to get into

612
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: this first and foremost because it's not necessarily you know,

613
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: a mainline statistical player, but anytime that you have somebody

614
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: that goes down and is a rotational player, it can

615
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: impact how you slot things. And I'm talking about Xavier Robinson,

616
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: the kid from Indianapolis that we now know is out

617
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: for the year with injury. How does that alter, if anyway,

618
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: the fadmoda approach.

619
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Speaker 7: Thanks for having me, Jake. I think it alters a

620
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 7: big time. I mean, you know, you go back to

621
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 7: the start, you know, November December. You know, it was

622
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 7: thought that Xavier was going to be a backup point guard,

623
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 7: right Jalen Jackson was here, he was the veteran. He

624
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 7: goes down earlier in the season, and now just as

625
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 7: I really thought of David had really he had kind

626
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 7: of carved out his role in the game, had slowed

627
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 7: down for him. At times, I thought he looked really good,

628
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 7: you know, at Seaton, haul in some of these wins,

629
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 7: and then just when you feel like you're getting some momentum, uh,

630
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 7: he goes down and now he's out. So now you

631
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 7: know you're really you're dealing with a third point guard

632
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 7: that you're gonna have to go in and start. So

633
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 7: there's a lot of tweaking you have to do, and

634
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 7: frankly because of the roster, because of having to swing

635
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 7: some people around. You know, a loss at point guard

636
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 7: it changes a couple of different positions just because of

637
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 7: how the team is built. So it certainly does change things.

638
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 7: And there's no tougher challenge in what they face tonight

639
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 7: with Yukon coming in and a Yukon team coming in.

640
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 7: Jake off of their first loss in a couple of months,

641
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 7: having dropped one to Saint John's last.

642
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Speaker 2: Week, and I want to get to that, Nick.

643
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you played, you know, the game you played

644
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: for Butler, so you know this aspect of it from

645
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: a psychological standpoint when you look at Butler and you

646
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: know coming you talk about coming off of a loss,

647
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: with Butler dropping a game in double overtime at Providence,

648
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: in a game maybe they felt like they obviously in

649
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: double overtime, you know, you could have had it. But

650
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: getting that close and then dropping that sort of a

651
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: tough game. And then you turn around against Marquette, who

652
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: is completely regrouping this year, and you get beat on

653
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: the road by fifteen. How much of that do you

654
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: think is hangover from being so close yet so far

655
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: in Providence.

656
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 7: It's hard to say. I think it's absolutely something that

657
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 7: if you're a coach, you've got to you've got to

658
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 7: think about and try to avoid at all costs. I mean,

659
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 7: you're talking about a game where you know you had

660
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 7: two free throws to win that with just over and

661
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 7: they ended up putting some time back on, but it

662
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 7: was about a second left roughly. And so I think

663
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 7: that's the challenge right for coaches, and whether it be

664
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 7: coming off a tough loss, whether it be something else

665
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 7: outside of basketball that these guys are dealing with. How

666
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 7: are you able to get your group to be ready

667
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 7: to go at their best, playing free, playing easy, playing

668
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 7: again at their best as well as they can thirty

669
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 7: two or thirty three times a night or a season

670
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 7: with all that stuff going on. And so but it's

671
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 7: human nature to do that, and I think that's the

672
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 7: challenge that these coaches have. It's hard to say how

673
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 7: much it affected Butler. I thought in that Marquette game,

674
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 7: the Dogs they didn't start out great, that they were

675
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 7: really grinding and kind of hanging in there, and then

676
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 7: Marquette got some turnovers they were making I mean they

677
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 7: made like five threes to start that second half and

678
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 7: then it kind of snowballed on them. But that is

679
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 7: absolutely a challenge, and to me, in college these days,

680
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 7: that's really one of your biggest challenges. How do you

681
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 7: get your guys to be ready to go night in

682
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 7: and night out with all the other stuff going on,

683
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 7: including how you may have dropped the game, or how

684
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 7: do you handle success? If that's really the challenging toching

685
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 7: to me.

686
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: Nick, what has jumped out at you?

687
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: Nick Gardner's my guest Java House, peeling Port guest line

688
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: Butler in Connecticut tonight seven thirty tip. Obviously Butler has

689
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: or excuse me, Yukon has Bray the Mullins from Greenfield Central,

690
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: the mister basketball, and it looks like things he's been

691
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: good really out of the womb for Connecticut. You saw

692
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: him score double digits first go round with Butler. But

693
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: in looking at Connecticut and their style and what Danny

694
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: Hurley does, what has jumped out at you about Mullins

695
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: and maybe even some of the footing that he's had

696
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: here of late in the last month.

697
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what I was impressed with is, as

698
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 7: you said, he was hurt early, so he didn't start,

699
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 7: didn't play early, but he's played started thirteen games. How

700
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 7: he's played seventeen and like I go back, one of

701
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 7: the first games I caught when he was playing was

702
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 7: in late January, Jake. It was against Providence, ironically, and

703
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 7: they were down late in that game. I mean, they

704
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 7: are running stuff for Braylan Mullens in late clock situations,

705
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 7: in like crucial situations already. Right, that was you know,

706
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 7: late January of his freshman year in the Big East.

707
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 7: I mean that was probably ten or so games in

708
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 7: you know, not even so that's what and he's delivered

709
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 7: as well, and so and then also just reading and

710
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 7: hearing how glowingly Dan Hurley talks of Brayln Mullens. I

711
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 7: think he's a guy that coach Hurly really likes being around.

712
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 7: I think, look, I think sometimes when you get at

713
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 7: a program like Yukon, there can be a lot of

714
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 7: stuff outside of just basketball with high level recruits. And

715
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 7: it sounds like Dan Hurley appreciates. Man, it's a lot

716
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 7: of just ball with Braylan Mullins, and he has stepped

717
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 7: up and delivered. And they're a really really balanced team

718
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 7: and that's what makes them so tough to cover because

719
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 7: they run really good stuff and they can run something

720
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 7: for basically everybody out on the floor. And that's not

721
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 7: always the case with teams. Usually there's two or three

722
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 7: guys that you're running stuff for. Man, there's all you

723
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 7: go down the roster, there's probably a couple on the

724
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 7: bench that they run things for too that he's really

725
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 7: confident in doing. So, to me, that was proof man

726
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 7: he trusts in and Braylen Mullins has delivered in those

727
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 7: crucial situations.

728
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: You know, when you look at a player going from

729
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: high school to college, you kind of never know, Nick,

730
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, you know this what the learning curve is

731
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: going to be. And in particular, it's easy to look

732
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: back at a player from a high school standpoint and say, well,

733
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, now, I get they played at smaller schools

734
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: against less call. I'm not saying this case with Mullins,

735
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: but has has AAU basketball and the year long travel

736
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: stuff reduced that learning curve. In other words, are players

737
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: now going to college already kind of plug and play

738
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: ready because they have seen so many different styles and

739
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: levels of competition, not in high school but rather in

740
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: the summertime.

741
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so absolutely. I think they're just they've

742
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 7: played it ton of games obviously. I think another thing

743
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 7: that has helped is just when you look at how

744
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 7: players develop, a lot of kids they're just more skilled,

745
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 7: I think than they wear back in the day. Like

746
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 7: look when I was coming up, I just go to

747
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 7: the y and play ball, right, we'd played pickup and

748
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 7: things like. Now you have more specialist guys doing more

749
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 7: training type stuff, and they're just they seem to come

750
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 7: out and be much more skilled at a younger age.

751
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 7: And then with the exposure on the different circuits and

752
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 7: playing in these high level competitions against other high level

753
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 7: players for so long, when you get a guy who

754
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 7: has had that experience, it does seem like you can

755
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 7: plug and play them a lot better. And then you

756
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 7: add in the other stuffs right that I kind of mentioned,

757
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 7: where if a guy who is really focused and has

758
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 7: you have his attention, he's played in those big games,

759
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 7: you're gonna be able to plug and play and there's

760
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 7: not going to be a bunch of distractions on the side.

761
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 7: So I think that's absolutely true. It's changed how they develop,

762
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 7: both in the competition they played and how they've trained.

763
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: Leading up to how many different Butler teams have we

764
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: seen this year, and you know, grasp what I'm saying

765
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: there right in terms of whether it be personnel or

766
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: whether it be necessity of scheme, the different ways in

767
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: which they have had to or the number of different

768
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: looks they have been able to put out, that's.

769
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 7: A good question. I mean, obviously, you know you've got

770
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 7: the plan at the start of the year. Then Jalen

771
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 7: Jackson goes out, and so then you kind of have

772
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 7: to reset, and you've got a Xavier sliding in there

773
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 7: and you kind of get in settled, and now he's out.

774
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 7: So I would say this is certainly like kind of

775
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 7: your third iteration of that, And in saying that, I

776
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 7: mean that you have to really look at how do

777
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 7: we play now, how are we going to attack, how

778
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 7: are we going to guard? How are we going to

779
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 7: do things differently with this personnel? And then if you

780
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 7: look within that, Jake, you know that group has played

781
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 7: differently at times. I mean there have been games when

782
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 7: the two have looked vastly different. And I think that's

783
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 7: the challenge in Hey, if you're able to compete for

784
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 7: twenty minutes, what can you do to maintain that level

785
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 7: of competitive edge throughout the full forty even if shots

786
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 7: aren't falling, even if things aren't going your way. So

787
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 7: certainly there's been two or three different versions. In those versions, Jake,

788
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 7: are really hard because you're talking about a point guard position,

789
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 7: the head of your team, where it's really hard to

790
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 7: redefine and reassess when you're without that single position. So

791
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 7: you've had to remake things while adjusting and probably the

792
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 7: most important position on the court.

793
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to know this. You said that when

794
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: you were a younger player, it was just a matter

795
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: of going to the y and hooping for the day, right,

796
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean the number of winter Saturdays spend at the

797
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: Jordan YMCA probably countless for both of us. Right, I

798
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: want to know the best two players that you used

799
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: to have to play pick up ball with in the

800
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: off season that you're like, Man, people don't realize just

801
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: how darn good that guy was, whether or not they

802
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: played high school, college.

803
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: Level or not.

804
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 7: Man, there were some unbelievable games over at that Jordan

805
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 7: Whi Jake, as you know, like I remember when the

806
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 7: season would end, everybody would just go over after school

807
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 7: and run games, and man, there are so many because

808
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 7: I remember being a freshman or sophomore, right, and all

809
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 7: the old guys are over there. So I remember like

810
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 7: whenever James and Jason Gardner were on the same squad

811
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 7: over there, that was going to be a tough one

812
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 7: to be right. Like when you're talking about the North

813
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 7: Central guys, there were so many. Remember Monte crowder by

814
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 7: chance Jake.

815
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: I do know that name. Where did he play?

816
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 7: He played it? He played in North Stiff. I can't

817
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 7: remember where he went, but I just remember as a

818
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 7: freshman he was a junior senior and the dude was

819
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 7: a beast. I mean like six four, six', five could,

820
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 7: move could do. Things and he was a guy WHO,

821
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 7: i for some reason would end up matched up on.

822
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 7: Sometimes and that's the name that sticks, out like man

823
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 7: to hate having to guard that. Guy that wouldn't even.

824
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: Fair, eddie did you just tell me in my ear

825
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: that you Find Nick gardner to be audibly?

826
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: Sexy is that what you?

827
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 7: Said?

828
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no.

829
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 8: No you remember the last time we Had nick on

830
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 8: and we created our band because you said you're sounding audibly?

831
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: Sexy SO, I, nick DID i say that? THAT i

832
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: say you're audibly? Sexy is that?

833
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: Right?

834
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 7: WELL i think IF i RECALL i asked how you were,

835
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 7: doing and you, SAID i don't usually say this, often

836
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 7: But i'm feeling kind of sexy with that.

837
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: Well you, know and it's audibly.

838
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 7: Sexy and then we had a band. GOING i told

839
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 7: YOU i know the. Feeling.

840
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: Nick let me tell you something, here and thank you

841
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: for bringing that back. UP i might not say it

842
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: a lot THAT i feel, sexy but just about every

843
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 1: DAY i do feel.

844
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: Sexy AND i typically WHEN i walk out of the.

845
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: HOUSE i it takes me a little bit longer in

846
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: the morning BECAUSE i got to stop in the mirror

847
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: three times and just admire, it you know WHAT i.

848
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 7: Mean, Yeah so, basically what you're saying is we should

849
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 7: only like that's a, given so it should only be

850
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 7: spoking and take you're feeling. Unsexy that's that's.

851
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: Correct the.

852
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: Anomalies the anomalies are the days when When I'm i'm

853
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: not feeling this.

854
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 7: Way.

855
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 8: WELL i brought this, Up, nick To jake in his,

856
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 8: ear just to see if you've been, practicing BECAUSE i

857
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 8: know we've got a concert coming up, Soon that's ALL

858
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 8: i was.

859
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: Wondering, well we, have But i'm not.

860
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 7: Gonna we're not. Gonna i've been Practicing we're gonna have

861
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 7: to make him come to the show, though, Right we're

862
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 7: not gonna give him. Anything you know what this.

863
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: Is it's the ast the, audibly the audibly sexy. Trio Although,

864
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Eddie i'm not sure that you've worked your way into

865
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: this just, yet, RIGHT i Mean nick AND i kind

866
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: of got it down to an art here in terms

867
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: of just the.

868
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: Overall AND i can tell.

869
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: YOU i, Mean, nick you, know you go out and

870
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: you order a pizza or, something and people immediately, say

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Speaker 1: aren't You Nick? Gardner that of the audibly Sexy Butler Radio,

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Speaker 7: Jake i've had to quit going out because so much about.

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Speaker 2: Trouble right all?

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Speaker 1: Right you can hear the audibly Sexy nick tonight at

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Speaker 1: at seven. O'clock it Is, Butler it Is Connecticut. Tonight,

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Speaker 1: nick appreciate the time as Always i'll let you know

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Speaker 1: when we have band.

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Speaker 7: PRACTICE i appreciate as, Well, Jake i'm ready, whatever all.

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Speaker 2: Right Appreciated Nick gardner joining us on the. Program