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Speaker 1: But keep in widen in the state of Indiana, just

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Speaker 1: It's the taxpayers paying for people to have subsidized or

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Speaker 1: The Kennley Casey John Rob that's Casey. You know we

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Speaker 1: Fascinating report out from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle detailing how

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Speaker 5: Kelly, Hello, good morning guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, so great reporting by you guys over the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Capitol Chronicle. Now this stems out of there's a

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Speaker 1: new law that requires law state statewide office holders to

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Speaker 1: report their travel black to Ober the first.

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Speaker 5: Correct, right, and so it covers the like fiscal year before.

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Speaker 5: So this is the first time, and it's the twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty five fiscal year.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So Dijego, I don't think this will surprise anybody is

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Speaker 1: the biggest spender on travel Diego Moralese, India, a secretary

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Speaker 4: But it's the amount of money thirty three thousand dollars.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, basically, I mean he spent a third of all

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Speaker 5: that was spent by these nineteen people.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Nicky say that again.

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Speaker 5: He spent a third of the total that was spent

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Speaker 5: on the nineteen people who filed these reports.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this is gas because he's going to

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Speaker 1: all these different places doing various things. But I think

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Speaker 1: the big thing our audience will be interested in is

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Speaker 1: he listed his trip to India but would not say

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Speaker 1: who paid for it and will not say how.

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Speaker 4: Much he spent.

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Speaker 5: Correct, He was very key failed. I've given him credit

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Speaker 5: for this. Some people were not detailed in the reports.

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Speaker 5: He's very failed on his larger trips what they were for,

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Speaker 5: where they were, how much they cost, and there were

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Speaker 5: quite a few of those, nineteen of those. But he

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Speaker 5: paid for with state funds. It doesn't say who paid

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Speaker 5: for them or what they cost. But one of them

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Speaker 5: was the India trip that causted all the hubub earlier

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Speaker 5: this year, and one of them was a trip to Vancouver,

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is what I can't figure out, because

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Speaker 1: they're supposed to list trips that were quote taken in

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Speaker 1: official capacity, right, Like, that's what this is for. And

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Speaker 1: yet he took the Secretary of State trip. He's very

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Speaker 1: clear that it was taken it into official capacity. But

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Speaker 1: the way the laws written, he still doesn't have to

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Speaker 5: I mean the law once the reason they're asking for

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Speaker 5: the reporting is to know how much state money was

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Speaker 1: So we're no closer to finding out who paid for India,

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Speaker 5: Yes, we certainly are. I do I love this law,

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Speaker 5: by the way, because while all of this is public record,

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Speaker 5: it's very hard to get all in one place and

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Speaker 5: So I think it's a very transparent law to show

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Speaker 5: who's traveling where and on whose dime. I do think

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Speaker 5: are certainly some trips in there. For instance, Lutenant Governor

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Speaker 5: Micah Becklift had a few out of state trips on

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Speaker 5: his but with no costs associated. The only costs that

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Speaker 5: I and also there was a cabinet sector in Mike Speedy,

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Speaker 5: gets us definitely in the right, wait.

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Speaker 1: Wait, and then case go hop in here. But so

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Speaker 1: Beckwick claims he went out of state, but then claimed

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Speaker 1: it costs no money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no like. The one thing about this is

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Speaker 5: there was no such format for them all to you.

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Speaker 5: Some of them. Some of them did totals, some of

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Speaker 5: them didn't totals. Some of them included guy cards, some

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Speaker 5: he has a very well, he has a list, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: it just had six different months of gas cards. But

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Speaker 5: of state trips, one in Kentucky, one in Michigan, one

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Speaker 5: there's no expenses under that column. So I'm not exactly

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Speaker 5: sure how those were paid for, whether it was him,

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Speaker 5: whether it was someone else, that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Now, had we had heard rumors that some other people

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Speaker 1: were looking into this too, about problems with lack of

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Speaker 1: detail on various various keeping track of mileage and who

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Speaker 1: for another time. Casey, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Nikki Kelly from Indiana Capitol Chronicle with us is ninety

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Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars in line with previous years.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't really know for sure because we've never

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Speaker 5: had this report before. It also includes cabinet secretaries, which

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Speaker 5: you know, the cabinet is set up differently under Braun

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Speaker 5: So I'm not I don't really have an answer for

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Speaker 5: that because it wasn't ever collected in this way before.

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Speaker 2: You had mentioned that some were a little more detailed

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Speaker 5: That one's gonna have to go to Attorney General Tad Keda.

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Speaker 4: Of course.

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Speaker 5: My favorite thing about his is it's one hundred on

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Speaker 5: the dot trips in every and go. One of them

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Speaker 5: just says official business. Okay, so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's you you are a straight shooter. It seems

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Speaker 1: I used to do this in sixth grade all the time.

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Speaker 1: We had a project that was due and the night

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Speaker 1: before you're like, I got to turn something in because

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Speaker 1: you can't get a zero on this. It seems like

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Speaker 1: this is because there's no what there's no form you said, right, Nikki,

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Speaker 1: Like no mandated way to do this, and they're just like, well,

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Speaker 4: I went to various state. How much did it cost?

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Speaker 4: Who knows? Where did you go? One hundred times? Really, boy,

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Speaker 4: that's funny how that worked out.

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Speaker 1: That's the most government thing ever, right, Nikki, that there's

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Speaker 1: no mandated way you do this, just turn something in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they're all independently elected officials, right at

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Speaker 5: least you know Rakita back with Morales, so they can

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Speaker 5: I'll say, you know, obviously he had some trips to

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Speaker 5: just so like twenty four spend in Centroy, Indiana, don't

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Speaker 5: know where, don't know. But on the other hand, for instance,

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Speaker 5: kevinor mc bron was so detailed that at times he

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Speaker 2: You had mentioned Governor Mike Brown and his spending. Can

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Speaker 2: you talk a little bit more about how much he

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, his are actually very low, and I

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Speaker 5: do want to point out that he also has campaign

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Speaker 5: don't know, four or seven thousand dollars. I think I'd

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Speaker 5: have to double check again. And most of his almost

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Speaker 5: half of his, was one expensive helicopter ride to Trying

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Speaker 5: University for a commencement.

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Speaker 1: I Dicky Kelly from the Capitol Chronicle as our guest.

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Speaker 1: Now let me repeat that, and maybe a little higher

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Speaker 1: because of the campaign stuff. But it looks like the

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Speaker 1: secretary of State spent more than three times what the

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Speaker 1: governor did traveling.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, Braun was seventy eight hundred dollars. Yeah, so

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Speaker 5: let's just and by the way, although to be clear,

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Speaker 5: I do want to clarify because this couples the fiscal year.

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Speaker 5: Bron didn't start until January, so it's only half of

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Speaker 5: the fiscal year for him. Morales was already in office,

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Speaker 5: so it was the full year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even if he doubled his expenses, it's still not

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Speaker 2: as much right.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that doesn't include Diego's magical mystery trip to

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Speaker 1: India or this thing to Vancouver or whatever. Nikiy Kelly,

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Speaker 1: the Capitol Chronicles our guests, Hey, got a couple minutes

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Speaker 1: left here with you, pursuing Braun. He had this press

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Speaker 1: which is that he thinks everybody's pretty happy with the

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Speaker 1: property tax bill and if we have a special session,

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Speaker 1: there's no need to do anything with it. That is unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: given I can't find a single person outside of the

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's the I of the beholder. I

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Speaker 5: honestly haven't heard a lot about property taxes in quite

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Speaker 5: a while, and people are obviously going to see next

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Speaker 5: he thinks they found the right spot. Ironically, we had

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Speaker 5: written a story about how top leaders are saying they're

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Speaker 5: going to have to make changes pretty quickly because the

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Speaker 5: bond markets are reacting very badly to a few of

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Speaker 2: Nikki Kelly with the Indiana Capitol Chronicle is on the line.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of Congressman Shrieve's donation of his

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Speaker 2: salary to the Boys and Girls Club of Johnson County.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Interesting, I think that kind of happened. I've heard

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Speaker 5: that numerous times over the years for various shutdowns. They

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Speaker 5: can't actually refuse their pay, so they have to give

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Speaker 5: the equivalent of a donation. So we'll see what happens

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Speaker 5: with that and how long that down goes. Bron also

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Speaker 4: One of the best of the business more great reporting.

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Speaker 4: Read the report how much of our.

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Speaker 1: Money these statewide officeholders and cabinet members are spending? Nicky

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Speaker 1: Kelly over at the Indiana Capitol Chronicle Indiana Capitol Chronicle

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Speaker 1: dot com.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks a lot, guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 3: This long.

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Speaker 1: Remember you ever see the movie Blue Chips. No, Well,

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Speaker 1: that just derailed this whole segment.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen it, loved it.

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Speaker 4: It's got a Casey show. I'm Rob that's Casey.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the movie Blue Chips, it's a

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Speaker 1: very famous sports movie.

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Speaker 4: Nick Nolty plays. The came out in the early nineties.

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Speaker 1: Nick Nolty plays a college basketball coach in Imaginary College,

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Speaker 1: and there's very famous basketball players in Shaquille O'Neil, Anthony,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Hardaway, Matt Nover who is a star at IU,

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Speaker 1: and the coach is sort of in the mold of

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Speaker 1: Bob Knight. It's pretty clear that that's who they were

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Speaker 1: thinking of when Bob Knight's actually in the movie, and

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Speaker 1: the movie is filmed here in Indiana at the Frankfurt Gymnasium,

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Speaker 1: and the whole premise of the movie is Nick Nolty,

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Speaker 1: much like Bob Knight, is sort of becoming this dinosaur

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Speaker 1: he finally decides that winning is so important to him

440
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: that he will go against every fiber of his being

441
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: and everything that he knows to be right and wrong,

442
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: and he will finally agree to allow these superstar freshman

443
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: players to come in and be paid to play. And

444
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: I think once the movie's been out thirty plus years,

445
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: you can spoil it for people, right, But if you're

446
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: desperate to see the movie blue Chips, cover your ears

447
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: for the next minute. At the end of the movie, though,

448
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: the pressure, even though he finally has this great team

449
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: and he beats Iu of all people and Bob Knight,

450
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: the pressure of knowing he's done wrong becomes too much

451
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: for him, and he stooges on himself at the end

452
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: of the movie, and he gives this incredible speech about

453
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: how it's all become about money, the idea of the game,

454
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: the love of the game.

455
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: It's not about the sport anymore.

456
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter anymore. It's all about money.

457
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: And it was you that was such a such a

458
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: powerful scene at the end of that movie, because he

459
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: just he knows he hasn't won fairly, and he knows

460
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: he is now a part of the problem, which they

461
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: even got to him. The guy who couldn't be broken,

462
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: the guy who couldn't be corrupted. He needed it so

463
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: bad that he gave in. And I mention all of

464
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: this because while what Nick Nolty was talking about thirty

465
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: years ago was taboo because people who were paying out

466
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: and paying players were frowned upon and you know, ostracized

467
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: if they were caught, and et cetera.

468
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 4: Now that's all college sports is.

469
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: It's expected, especially with the NIL.

470
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 4: It's a mini professional league.

471
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: It's a breeding ground for professional athletes, and they are

472
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: basically just pros, but not as good.

473
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: And it's all about money.

474
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not about the idea of competition or your

475
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 1: college vocation or bettering yourself as a human being or

476
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: using your athletic ability and sport to make yourself a

477
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: person who's gonna learn life lessons. It'll make you a

478
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: productive member of society. These kids, especially on big time

479
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: college sports and campuses, are just there, many of them

480
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: for the money, and the institution means nothing. And now

481
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: I think it's about to get infinitely worse with what

482
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 1: the Big ten is talking about.

483
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: Doing well, the institution seems to be on board many

484
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 2: of them Big ten basically starting a side hustle.

485
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: So ESPN had this article and this is both horrific

486
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: and fascinating at the same time. Where the Big Ten. Look,

487
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there are two dominant conferences now. The ACC

488
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: is hanging on by a thread still with North Carolina Duke.

489
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: In terms of college basketball, they're fine, but let's face it,

490
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: football is the driver of everything.

491
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Speaker 4: Now.

492
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: The Big twelve is still also hanging on by a thread.

493
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: But the Big ten and SEC have recognized because they've

494
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: created these mega conferences, which, let's face it, the idea

495
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: that USC and UCLA are in a conference with Indianam

496
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: Purdue is ridiculous. They have no points of commonality, they

497
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: have nothing that binds them together.

498
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: TV markets.

499
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 4: It's all about money.

500
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: It was all about to create these super conferences, and

501
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: now the Big ten and SEC have recognized. And this

502
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: article is about the Big Ten that we are so

503
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: powerful now that there are numerous.

504
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: Ways we can make money. Period. That's it. That's what

505
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 4: this is about.

506
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: Not make our conference better, not make the educational experience better,

507
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: that we can make money. That they are now exploring creating,

508
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, this sort of conglomerate

509
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: in which they will bring in private financers and they

510
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: will use this conglomerate which will now be backed in

511
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: art by private money to create a multi billion dollar

512
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: billion with the B enterprise with various marketing and licensing

513
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: and other endeavors that will make them one of the.

514
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 4: Most powerful.

515
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, corporations not the right word groups, groups,

516
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: I guess for lack of enterprises. Yeah, potentially over the

517
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: next couple decades in the entire country.

518
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: So the Big Ten is in talks with a private

519
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 2: capital deal equity group worth two billion dollars. They would

520
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 2: form this new commercial entity tentatively called Big Ten Enterprises,

521
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: and this new enterprise would manage all the revenue generating

522
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: activities like media rights, like sponsorships, like league revenue. So

523
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: what you would have is, for example, Michigan versus Ohio

524
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: State presented by Taco Bell and on all.

525
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: The jerseys instead of each individual school having a you know,

526
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: a sponsor or whatever, Hey, every Big ten team.

527
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: We would have the same right logo.

528
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: And you're gonna you're gonna pay for that. Now, this

529
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: is a great example of how out of control things

530
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: get very quickly, and the NCAA is in large part

531
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: to blame because they had these ridiculous rules about how

532
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: kids could make money about how they could couldn't work

533
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: second jobs, they couldn't make money, like all of that

534
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: stuff pushed it to the wild West, in which the

535
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: courts had to get involved. And once the courts got involved,

536
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: they basically said, there are no rules on this, and

537
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: what we now have is something that is about nothing

538
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: but profit. There is no love of school. I'm talking

539
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: the big Times right, Like, I'm not doubting if you

540
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: go to Wabash and you play football at Wabash, there

541
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: is are Marion that there is a you know, a

542
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: love of school and education. We're talking about the tippy

543
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: top programs, institutions, et cetera, especially as it relates to

544
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: college athletics. But when I was a kid, when I

545
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: was growing up, whether it's Notre Dame football or IU basketball,

546
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: you were invested in who the new freshman class was

547
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: because you knew, oh cool, I'm going to see this

548
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: guy for the next four years. And you're literally whether

549
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: you were a kid like me or an adult, you

550
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: invested in those those individuals because they were investing in

551
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: something that was special to you and you were literally

552
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: going to get to see them go from an eighteen

553
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: year old kid to a twenty two year old man,

554
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: and you were gonna get to see their life, and

555
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: then you tracked them throughout the rest of their life

556
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: because you saw them evolve.

557
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 4: That's done.

558
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: It's all about money, It's all about making a buck.

559
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: It's all about kids moving from one place in the

560
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: next syste and whatever best deal they can cut in

561
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: the moment. And we have totally gutted, we have totally

562
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: destroyed the thing that made college athletics so special.

563
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: So these discussions have been going on for a while.

564
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: Now Ohio State and Michigan they're on board, and it

565
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: would structure out like they would provide upfront cash payments

566
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: to the schools and it would be a tiered system

567
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: based on the school's current budgets and the school brand power.

568
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: So I'm curious, is a school like the Ohio State

569
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: University going to get a bigger chunk of the money

570
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: than say University of Maryland.

571
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Well that's where the you know, the old saying, the

572
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: devil's in the details. And it sounds like, look, they're

573
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: going to do this is what it sounds like. They're

574
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: not to the point where they're ready to sign you know,

575
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: a document yet, but if you can picture the way

576
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: this will be structured. According to the ESPN report, this

577
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: conglomerate or whatever group, whatever you want to call it,

578
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: it'll have basically twenty members to it.

579
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: It'll have the eighteen.

580
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: By the way, how stupid is it that they call

581
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: it the Big Ten and there's eighteen schools?

582
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: Right?

583
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: How stupid is that? Okay, so you've got eighteen schools.

584
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: Then the Big Ten as an inn, will be a

585
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: part of it. And then whoever this outside person is

586
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: that infuses cash into it, and the outside person will

587
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: get their money back over time. By being a part

588
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: of this conglomerate and whatever deals get made, they're essentially

589
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: become a shareholder in the thing. So let's say they

590
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: infuse I'm just making numbers up here. Let's say they

591
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: infuse one hundred million of cash instantly that goes and

592
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: gets dispersed, and then over time whatever these deals are.

593
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: As a shareholder, they'll get money off the thing. They also,

594
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: I will guess use whoever this person is going to

595
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: be is going to be massively connected in the business world,

596
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: and so they'll utilize that person to get these deals done.

597
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, these private investors, they would own equity

598
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: shares but the investor wouldn't receive any voting control or

599
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: beyond any of the board, so it would preserve the

600
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: university's autonomy.

601
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 4: Don't you hate that?

602
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Like you're Notre Dame has been a little different. They

603
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: seem to have a lot of the guys come back

604
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: your over year. But every year Notre Dame has a

605
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: different quarterback now that the like every year, and a

606
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: lot of the other positions. But don't you hate that

607
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: that from one year to the next, you know you.

608
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: You can't see him progress and get better.

609
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 4: You don't invest in them anymore. Like you like Notre Dame.

610
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: I like Notre Dame because of tradition and history and okay,

611
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: so we cheer for Notre Dame, but I don't. It

612
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: doesn't feel the same to me anymore. Like I watched

613
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: all those games last year when Notre Dame went to

614
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: the National championship, and I cheered for them, But I

615
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: had way more investment as a kid when they were

616
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, eight and three or you know, you know

617
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: nine and two and go into the you know, the

618
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: pop Tart Bowl that wasn't around back then. But you

619
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying, right, Teams that weren't winning national championships.

620
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: Are playing for them than I did last year, because

621
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to see a bunch of these guys

622
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: next year.

623
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: Right, It's like you would watch Brady Quinn and then

624
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: you knew, oh, he's going to be back next year,

625
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: and let's see how much he's improved and how much

626
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: the team has come together. Well now it's it's different

627
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: every single year. They say this move is in response

628
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: to the rising athletic department costs.

629
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they went up by two billion, Casey, Yeah, yeah,

630
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: they've increased my two billion.

631
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: Hey, it's Hammer's birthday.

632
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: It is his birthday. He's going to join us next

633
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: on ninety three WYBC Go Show.

634
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: It's subof Day. We're gonnais shuboda. Were gonna sit because

635
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 4: it's subofday birthday?

636
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: Thank you?

637
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: Thank you both.

638
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: How good do I look for forty eight? Casey beyonnest

639
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 3: super sexy? Thank you, I'm amazing.

640
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: Cheers and Hammer it is his forty eighth birthday. And

641
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: other than being much fatter, you don't look that much

642
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: different than when I first met you twenty plus years ago.

643
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Rob, I I appreciate that I still

644
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: have my boyish charm.

645
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I first met Hammer. As I think I've

646
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: told this story. I was the Indianapolis Indians producer for

647
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: they were on WX and T. Hammer was the weekend

648
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: and fill in guy on WZPS.

649
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: I've just gotten rolling over there.

650
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I used to ignore my job producing the

651
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: games and I'd go down there and hang on Hammer

652
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: because he was talking to a lot of chicks who

653
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: probably weren't but sounded.

654
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: Hot, right, They sounded hot, but we promise you they

655
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: probably were smoking about two SIGs at the same time,

656
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: had a neck tattoo, back fat, and were listening to

657
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: us on a transistor in a trailer park. Yeah.

658
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: Over there at ZPL. Do you remember the smoking box

659
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: they had.

660
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Speaker 3: There was a smoking box, Yes, I do remember that.

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Speaker 2: It's like an all glass office.

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Speaker 1: That was back in the day where in order for

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Speaker 1: someone to send you a nude they'd have to send

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Speaker 1: it be a email.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: There was no cellular you know, texting like that back

667
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: in the.

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00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: Day, So somebody had really want that Britney Spears.

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 3: Song to get on, right, had to mail a polaroid basically,

670
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: That's kind of how it was.

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00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you've changed much in the past

672
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: twenty years. Since then, have you learned a lot about life?

673
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 4: Liberty?

674
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: I was a degenerate gambler who drank a lot and

675
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: liked a pump. I'm still the same day, same chick,

676
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: you know. I'm I feel like the traits are the same.

677
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just a little bit older. Now Here's

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00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: the thing I would say about you, though, is that well?

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Speaker 1: And I pains we say anything nice about you Despite

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00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: all your flaws. You are a phenomenal husband and father.

681
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: And I mean, you're taking your kid on some sort

682
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: of big camping trip, right, So we're.

683
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: Going next weekend, not this weekend, but the following weekend

684
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: to a Grand Teton National Park.

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00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

686
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: It was part of a Christmas gift last year. We're

687
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: cashing in.

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00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: That's exciting.

689
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: Gave him the option to go to any national park

690
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: in the country. It's like, Hey, do you want to

691
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: go to Yosemite?

692
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: Do you want to go to Yellowstone?

693
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: And it's like, nope, I want to go to Grand Teton.

694
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: Did some research, So we're gonna.

695
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 3: Set up shop in Jackson Hole, Wyoming for a couple

696
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: of days. Oh, smell the clean air. Ye come back

697
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: here and Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

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00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 4: Weren't you like, wouldn't you rather take in a Raiders game?

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00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: You could see the Everglades in Florida where it's a

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00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: little warmer. But no, this is my kid that's probably

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00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 3: going to be a park ranger one day. It's what

702
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: he's going to go to college to study and all

703
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: that stuff.

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00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: Wa wait, he's gonna that's what he's decided.

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00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: Well, he's torn between being a scientist at a national park,

706
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: breaking down why you know things happen as a biologist, yeah,

707
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 3: or you know, the park ranger. Sometimes you make more

708
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: money and a bit major national park, so you've got

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00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: to be well versed on all things nature and also

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00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: be able to carry a firearm.

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00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 4: This is clearly a child who got your wife's brain.

712
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Jacob is the brains of the operation in

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00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: the Hammerhouse. Not that Chris isn't smart, he's on honor Roll,

714
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: but Jacob is like Sheldon Cooper, Big Bang Theory smart.

715
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 4: What are you doing for your birthday?

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00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: Well, I will be going through the motions on our

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00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: afternoon show today at least, dis honest, the Cubs come

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00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: on at three. It's my birthday.

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Speaker 4: I think there may.

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Speaker 3: Be some cocktails involve this afternoon. So if at any

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00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: point I start to sound like Nigel, I apologize. Normally

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00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 3: one person has to stay somewhat coherent on this program today,

723
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 3: there might not be any You've.

724
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Speaker 4: Ever been really liquored up on the air before, like

725
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 4: really liquered up?

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00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: Oh some of those live shows back at ZPL, when

727
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: I was doing nights and I moved over to the

728
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: night show. We'd broadcast live from the bar, the Ugly Monkey.

729
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, remember the Monkey Show?

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00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever say anything inappropriate whilst consuming too much

733
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Speaker 1: of anything?

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00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: No, I don't think I have. I've been pretty good

735
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: about that. I've had some hot mic stuff where like,

736
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 3: oh you thought you were off, thought you were off,

737
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: and you know, but it wasn't anything too bad.

738
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Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my god, look at the Yeah,

739
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: did you threaten to bomb the Russians like Reagan did?

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Speaker 3: Did not do that?

741
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Speaker 4: What about you guys?

742
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: Any hot mic moments, anyview you guys been a radio

743
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: for a.

744
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: While, just assume the MIC's always on.

745
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 2: Casey, I had a listener once who dropped the FBI.

746
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: What's a listener?

747
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: It's not you though, right, It wasn't me. Yeah, And

748
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: I was so scared. I remember calling my boss at midnight.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's so sold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: If I go down, I'm not going down to a

752
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: dui or a hot mic. I'm gonna make them earn it.

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00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: They're gonna take me out. Well, Happy birthday, man, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Our new podcast Trips at one o'clock for the NFL weekend.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Hammer. It is Kendel and Casey on ninety three

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Speaker 2: WIBC