1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: So you wrote about this and you say colors cancelations 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: simply not funny, Yes, simply not funny, but also really scary. Right, 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: and even if it's not quid pro quo, the idea 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: of self censorship. And I talk about my grandfather Howard Fast, 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: who was. 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: Who was jailed by. 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: McCarthy during the House on an American Activities, that our 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: government has done this before. That history is very much 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: filled with moments like this. 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: And Molly Jung Fast. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: Your argument is is that the federal government, as directed 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 3: by Donald Trump, pressured CBS to end Stephen. 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: Colbert's show as opposed to Stephen. 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: Colbert not being funny, the program not making any money, 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: and the landscape having changed so greatly in late Night 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: that it was time to say goodbye. You're perfect for MSNBC. 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: That is some great fantastic conspiracy theory there. You know 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. We're gonna keep not caring. I 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: think that's the right answer. Tony Katz, Hey, what's going 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: on Tony Katz today? Good to be with you find 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 3: everything at Tony Katz dot com. Uh. That's one of 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: the many cultural conversations going on, which is to say 23 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 3: that this conversation only exists in the pantheon of the 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 3: political left. 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: They're conspiratorial about Stephen Colbert, and. 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get into more about Stephen Colbert, but they 27 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: are conspiratorial. My god, you would think they're talking about 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein. Look at what they're doing, look at what 29 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: they're inventing, look at how they're gitting themselves up. Colbert 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: isn't funny. Your reaction to Colbert is hilarious. Now, usually 31 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: don't say that about people who've got a touch of 32 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: the de Lulu. 33 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: But it's who It's just like what carthyism. Huh? 34 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 4: These these people, these these people, good lord, it's it's 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 4: not it's it's even more than just about the money. 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: It is. 37 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 3: But I think that argument is a stronger one than 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: whatever maladjungk Fast there is trying to sell. The other 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 3: cultural conversation is Coldplay. We know the story that the 40 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: CEO of a company called Astronomer was that a Coldplay 41 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: concert with his hr director. He's there with her and 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: they are kind of like arm in arm. She's standing there, 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: he's got his arms around her. They're swaying. They're having 44 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: an affair, and so they decided the best way to 45 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: have this affair is to go to a cold Play 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: concert in front of sixty thousand people. There's a camera. 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: It's showing people in the crowd. This isn't the first 48 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: time it happens. It's happening at sporting events, all sorts 49 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: of things, shines on them. She, realizing the cameras on them, 50 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 3: turns and puts her hands over her face. He, realizing 51 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: the cameras on them, drops to the floor. It reminds 52 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: me of Springsteen. Closets are for hangers, chimneys for the 53 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: poor winners. 54 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Use the door, So use a baby. That's what it's 55 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: there for. 56 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: You don't, you don't, You don't fall to the floor 57 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: like like like a coward. You did the thing. Man, 58 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: You weren't decent enough just to get a Motel six. 59 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: You had to be at the Coldplay show. And Chris 60 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: Martin is like, either the couples having an affair or 61 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: they're really shy. Well, you're not more than two days 62 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: later that you're at a You're watching the Philadelphia Phillies 63 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: play baseball and the camera is doing the kiss camp thing. 64 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: They go to this cup and they go to that 65 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: cup and then they go to the Phillies mascot where 66 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: they've got the male mascot with his arms around the 67 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: female mascot. 68 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: They've got a female version, and. 69 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 3: They play it out the whole thing. It's unbelievable. They 70 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: play out the whole thing. Then they go to a guy. 71 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: This is the one they should be talking about. They 72 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: go to a guy who's holding up a sign and 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: the sign reads this is my wife and the is 74 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: is underline. And it's spectacular. And this gets played out everywhere. 75 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: This gets played out at sporting events. Did this? 76 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: Did the producer land and this gut played out at 77 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: a country show? Yeah? 78 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 5: So I went to Dirk s Bentley and Zak Top 79 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 5: at Noblesville, and towards the end of Dirk set they 80 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 5: did like a little kiss camp or not really kiss 81 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 5: camp thing, but they had the fans on the JumboTron 82 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 5: and a few people recreated the cold Play scene. 83 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: So even at the Dirt Expentley show in Central Indiana, 84 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: people were replaying that whole scenario. Oh absolutely, And and 85 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Landon said, who knew that something like 86 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: this could bring the country together? Which is which is 87 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: very true, Which is very true that that like, look 88 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: at how many people and how many places have coming 89 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: have come to do this because the whole thing is 90 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: so insane. 91 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: I want to say that is my sincerest. 92 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: Hope, not knowing this man nor this woman, it is 93 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: my sincerest hope that they have friends and those friends are. 94 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: On suicide watch. Now. 95 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: I know you're saying, Tony, don't bring us down. Man, 96 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: allow me just for a moment. 97 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to bring you down. Booboom. 98 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: I think holding up a sign that says, this is 99 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 3: my wife that's unable. And it's possible that you know, 100 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 3: everybody did it this week because everybody saw what happened 101 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: and they thought, like, like you and I did. This 102 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: is the craziest reaction in the world. If that couple 103 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: had done nothing, this wouldn't. 104 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: Be a story. It wouldn't have been a story. 105 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: If they had just not reacted at all, it would 106 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: not have been a story. If he hadn't ha dropped 107 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 3: to the floor, this would not have been a story. 108 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, his wife would have found out, her husband 109 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 3: would have found out those kinds of things, and he 110 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 3: may still have lost his job at Astronomer, which he did. 111 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: By the way, he has resigned as the CEO. I 112 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 3: don't know if she's resigned. But the the story here is, 113 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: we all understand what we're doing right. We're we're it's 114 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: possible to say that we're mocking a cultural moment because 115 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: we all agree that's insane. The reaction is certifiable. But 116 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: we understand those people have families and kids and spouses 117 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: who just got exposed in the worst way possible. 118 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: No, not the two who did. 119 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: It, the two who didn't. And I know nothing about 120 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 3: their home, lives or anything else. And here's the whole 121 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: world coming at you. 122 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: What if. 123 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: We said to ourselves and said to our friends over dinner, 124 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: did you see that couple? That's insane? And then we 125 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 3: left it b What if we didn't mock them? What 126 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: if we recognized that the embarrassment is not something to 127 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: compound on, but rather, the embarrassment is something that we 128 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 3: should be having a conversation in and amongst ourselves with. 129 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe maybe. 130 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: I am a buzzkill, Maybe it's me, but I saw 131 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: the thing with the Philadelphia affilies, and I said, that 132 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: is unbelievable. 133 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: In that I wasn't. 134 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: I was surprised at how much reach this thing had 135 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: that people were going to do this, and then you 136 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 3: saw it everywhere black, white, aged, Hispanic guys are hugging 137 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: other guys. 138 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: Girls are hugging other girl. The whole thing was nuts, 139 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: and I just I don't know. 140 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: I started to make a turn on that this isn't 141 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: this is not this is not all right, And I 142 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: swear I truly hope these people have a friend in 143 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 3: the world. There are times where I don't understand what 144 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: moves people, what motivates people. I don't understand how they work, 145 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: the way they work. This was doubly true with the WNBA. 146 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: For the record, I'm willing to accept that guys like 147 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 3: Dave Portnoy think that the players of the WNBA should 148 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: get paid more, and if he had the chance to 149 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 3: buy NBA team in Boston, he'd do it. 150 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: Barstool Sports, go to it, man, i'n't telling you no. 151 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: The argument does not whether or not they deserve more 152 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 3: money or why I should take it this way. Should 153 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: want to get paid more money. That makes sense to me. 154 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: They've got a contract negotiation coming up, some collective bargaining. 155 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 3: They want to get paid more. Yeah, sure, don't we 156 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: all We all want to get paid more. 157 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: I do too. 158 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 3: But the WNBA has its All Star weekend and the 159 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 3: players come out for practice and they're wearing shirts that read. 160 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: Pay us what you owe. That's what they're wearing. 161 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: Pay us what you owe us? And I asked the question, 162 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: what exactly are they owed? There is no anger in 163 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: my question. What exactly is it that they are owed? 164 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: And has that question been answered? You're talking about wanting 165 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: a new contract. Okay, what do you mean they owe you? 166 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: What do they owe you? 167 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 2: Now? 168 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 3: Some people have immediately gone to and I think it's 169 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: a rational point of view that the uh, the WNBA 170 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: doesn't make any money. The WNBA makes no money. The 171 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: WNBA is a welfare league. And I accept this as true. 172 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: It is it's been twenty, I don't know how many years. 173 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any money. It exists at the behest 174 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: of the NBA solely and exclusively. It couldn't survive on 175 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 3: its own. It would be defunct. Entre Caitlin Clark and 176 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: certainly things have changed, and they have changed, and there's 177 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: an opportunity, and I think WNBA should take that opportunity. 178 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: And if the players want to take that opportunity to 179 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: also get themselves some more money. 180 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything wrong with that. You should 181 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: want that. 182 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: You may have finally hit the moment where there's an 183 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: opportunity here, and then you wear this shirt. 184 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: What are you doing? 185 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 3: What possibly are you doing? Pay us what you owe us? 186 00:11:53,200 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: You aren't owed anything. You have to create now and 187 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: Clark creates. And also the league has also allowed you 188 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: all these other opportunities. Now, you could have had the 189 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: sponship opportunities if you went with a different group and 190 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: a Big three or other stuff. But you went to 191 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: the WNBA. You knew what you were getting into there. 192 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 3: I could play that let them crash line. 193 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: Why would you say pay us what you owe us? 194 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you say let's build a better league together. 195 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: Why would you make it adversarial as if somehow the 196 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 3: owners did something wrong? 197 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: It's nutty. 198 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 3: I feel the same way. This is how you This 199 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: is how you respond. This how you react. That's how 200 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 3: you treat people. What's wrong with you? Absolute failure from 201 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: the players here. This isn't how you go about doing stuff, 202 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: creating an adversarial moment when it wasn't necessary. Might as 203 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: well have gone to a Coldplay concert. This is Tony 204 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 3: catch today.