1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Find him as Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: a very special guest on the hotline. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: Indiana State Senator Michael Young joins US Senator, thank you 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: for your time. You had a pretty fiery speech on 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: the floor today. For those who did not get a 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: chance to listen to it, walk me through what your 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: messaging was. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 3: Well, let me just say this first. I like your 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: quote from the coach, but I have a better one 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: from network. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: to take it any longer. 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: That's right. 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: Well, it was just basically this what are you guys doing? 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: We're in this mess because Rod Bray didn't have the 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 3: backbone to make it nine to zero back in twenty 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: twenty one. He could have done it, he didn't do it, 17 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: and now we're sitting here all because he wants to 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: be nice and fair. And I said, wait, if you 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: want to be nice and fair, why don't you give 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: the Democrats they got forty percent of the state vote, 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 3: why don't you give him two extra reasonal seats. Well, 22 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: they're not going to do that, And I said, they 23 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: wouldn't do it for us either, And that's why we're 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: here to help our nation against these Democrat states where 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: I think the government mentioned there's seven of them. They 26 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: don't have any Republican congressmen at all. If you look 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: at Illinois, you could take a picture of that congressional 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: district and put it in the dictionary as the definition 29 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: of jerrymanderin because you got a little thlim line that 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: runs from the western part of Illinois all the way 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: over to eastern point. I don't think you can draw 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: another salamander into that district that state. Rather, it's done 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 3: better than anybody I've ever seen. They're good at they're cheating. 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: But the point was this, we're stuck with this situation. 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: Other states are doing it, and off your elections. The 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: president of the party in power tends to lose seats, 37 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: and only two times it hasn't happened the last nineteen elections. 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: The last one was George W. Bir in two thousand 39 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: and two. For the war years, the lowest we've ever 40 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: lost seats was the number of seven. The greatest number 41 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: was forty eight. I said, so basically, you're telling us 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: for you to feel good, that we don't have to 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 3: redistrict so you can feel good. But when you wake 44 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: up on Wednesday morning in November next year and you 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: wake up and find out we lost the House by 46 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: one or two votes. Yes, it's going to be on you, guys. 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: We're going to lose our country. Impeachments will start again, 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: two years of impeachments, taking away the attention of the 49 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: president for each country, and additionally stopping every good program 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 3: that we've had, like no tax on tips, no tax 51 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: on Social Security, permanent tax crats for every American, and 52 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: everything else he's done. You guys are willing to do 53 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: that so you can feel good. You gotta be great. 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: You put you put it. So I've been saying it 55 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: all week. Senator this is Nigel, by the way. I 56 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: just like the midterms come and go next year and 57 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: somehow the House is the Republicans are down by a 58 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: couple of seats, and we're going to look back at 59 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: this moment right exactly. 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: I had the chance to fire Andre Carson and didn't 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: do it. 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: Exactly. Well, you know his thing is, I don't have it. 63 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: I'm talking about Senator Bray. He says, we don't have 64 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: a bill, we don't have enough votes. And I reminded, 65 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: just Senator Bray at the Mike today. I said, in 66 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, what happened, Senator Bray, we didn't have 67 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: a bill and abortion, we didn't have a vote for 68 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: a bill, but you still called us into session. And 69 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 3: you know, by the time we got out, now only 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: did we have a good, halfway decent bill, but we 71 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: had the votes to pass it. And now he won't 72 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: call us into session to do the very same thing 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: that you did in twenty twenty three. And I total him. 74 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 3: I said, I've been here with special sessions with Republican 75 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: governors and Democrat crat governors, and I've never seen a 76 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: Republican leader slapped the face of our governor by saying, 77 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: call what you want on special sessions. I don't. I 78 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 3: kind of listen to you. We've never done that to 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: any Democrat governor. We respected their call and we went 80 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: in did our jobs. I said in twenty twenty when 81 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: we were clamoring to get into session on COVID, we 82 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: were the only branch of government we couldn't get in 83 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: to do anything. We said that you can't go to church, 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: but you can get drunk, and we couldn't get in, 85 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: and so we had to change the law to keep 86 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: one guy from us getting into special session the governor 87 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: of the state. Now the governor's called the special session, 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: and one guy stopping us from getting into special session. 89 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: You, right, Senator, is the leadership of Rod Bray in 90 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: the Senate indicative of the whole. I know you have 91 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: very different opinions than the Senate pro tem. But as 92 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: for your colleagues here, are they on board with his 93 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: style of leadership or do you feel a pretty big disconnect? 94 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: I think there's a disconnect. I have heard Senator saying 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: today it's probably time for him to go now. They 96 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: still need enough votes, but at least are thinking that 97 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: that's encouraging. 98 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: Senator Mike Young joining us here on the Hammer in 99 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: Nigel Show. So the Governor told us earlier that Todd 100 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: Houston in the House, they've agreed to put changing the 101 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: congressional maps on the table here. If the House can 102 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 2: get something through, they would have to turn it over 103 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: to the Senate, and then it would have to be 104 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: an issue that Rod Bray and you guys would have 105 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: to deal with. 106 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, any thought that something about this hammer. 107 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: The good thing about this is once we start, we 108 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 3: have to come back in. He can't keep us out. 109 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: The rules say that no house can be out of 110 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: session more than three days without commermission of the other house. 111 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 3: So once the House comes in, we could stay out 112 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: for three days, but we've got to come back. 113 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: So now that we've got this little disconnect that appears 114 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: happening inside the Senate, do you think this is something personal? 115 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: Like I asked the Governor this when he was here 116 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: just a few minutes ago. It seems like this is 117 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: almost personal to where anything that he wants to be 118 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: part of his big agenda being the Governor. Rod Bray, 119 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: the Senate ProTem is doing everything in his power to 120 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: take the opposite side. Do you get that same feeling. 121 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: Oh, there's no doubt. Look at the property text thing. 122 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: This is the first time, even on governor Or's A 123 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 3: plus program, it was really had a lot of problems. 124 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: No one liked it, nobody wanted to vote for it. 125 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: But you know what we did. We respected the office 126 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 3: of Governor and gave the bill a hearing. I mean, 127 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 3: we massacred it with amendments when it came down for 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: a vote, and in the end we got a bill 129 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: that they had enough votes to pass. But what we 130 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: didn't tell the governor was We're not going to hear 131 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: your bill. And yet that's what he did to our governor. 132 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: He's told the governor of the state of Indiana that 133 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: wanted to protect people's property that no, I'm not going 134 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 3: to hear your bill. Who are you soon? It's pathetic. 135 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: So what happens next? Right, Okay, we've agreed that there's 136 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: some sort of disconnect. We've got some sort of beef 137 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: between the governor and the leader of the Indiana Senate. 138 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: Everybody's got our next to the name, but there seems 139 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: like there's a little feud going on here. What's next? 140 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: How do we rectify this situation? 141 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: Well, I call the President of the United States in 142 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: having come up to the Senate and standing there while 143 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: these members going out a vote while he's watching them, 144 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: I'm guaranteeing you they're not going to have vote down. 145 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: They'll be voting with the President of the United States. 146 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: We heard about it here. 147 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: That was being funny. But what we can do is 148 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: we need five people. We know we know that we 149 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: have twenty votes for sure, because there was a kind 150 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: of a test vote today. We know we have twenty. 151 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: I understood from the White House people that we have 152 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 3: twenty one, so we need five more people. We could 153 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: do twenty five twenty five, but the problem was if 154 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 3: one Republican that doesn't want it, or one Democrat doesn't 155 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 3: show up on the floor, it's twenty five to twenty four, 156 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: and Lieutenant Governor can't break and do anything. You can 157 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: only break a tie if it's twenty five to twenty five. 158 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 3: So we have to have all our members there, which 159 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: means we have to have twenty six. We think we're 160 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: twenty one. We need five more brave Republican senators to 161 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 3: switch over, which I think we can get. 162 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: Could you just review for me again why you said 163 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: there's a Republican that might not want it. Why wouldn't 164 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: they want it? 165 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: I well, here, here's what they say. We don't think 166 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: it's fair, we don't think it's right. And I clearly 167 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: pointed out from the Florida today, there is no rule 168 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: in the center of the House that says we can't 169 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: do this. There is nothing in the constitution that says 170 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: we can't do it. We have to do it the 171 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: first year after the diceinonial census. We have to do it. 172 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: But there's nothing that prevents us from doing and what 173 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: I didn't mention is that Mike today was we attempted 174 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 3: to do this in nineteen ninety five. We were going 175 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: to redistrict. We were ready to go. The Democrats fled 176 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 3: the State House. But at that time we had a 177 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: Democrat governor, and we had no one to call the 178 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: state police to go out and for these runaways and 179 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: bring them back to the State House. So we had 180 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 3: to give up our effort. Had we had a Republican governor, 181 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: we would have gone out and brought him in. But 182 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: we did try it. No one said. There's a couple 183 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: of people in the Senate now who were there when 184 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 3: we tempted this. Senator Buck is one of them. He 185 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: never said at that point we shouldn't redistrict in the 186 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: middle of the decade. Today he does. I have no idea. 187 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: I'm surprised by Senator Buck's position because in nineteen ninety 188 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: five when we starved together in the House, he was fourth. 189 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: Then Senator Mike Young with us. Last thing here before 190 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: we let you go, Senator, a different topic a little 191 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: bit here. But as you guys get into session, we 192 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 2: heard from the movers and shakers that they may be 193 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: tweaking a few things. When it comes to property taxes, now, 194 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: it was pretty underwhelming a year ago, and now when 195 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: I hear tweaking, I'm just assuming that I'm about to 196 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: get screwed even more. Walk me off the led ship. 197 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you I haven't heard that, but 198 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 3: I was going to tell you if we're tweaking it, 199 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: it's not in our favor. 200 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: I can tell you that, right I was going to say, 201 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: talk me off the LEDs here, but I don't think 202 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: you're going to. 203 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 3: Be able to do it to Ledge. 204 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, tweaking, not twerking. I want to make that perfectly clear. 205 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: All right, Senator, we appreciate you taking the time to 206 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: come on and talk about what's really happening behind the. 207 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 3: Senior people, including Kendall, your friend. Look at the people 208 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: who voted no today. One of them is his state senator, 209 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: and tell him, if he wants to do what's right 210 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: for his country, to call oh senators and say vote 211 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: for redistrict. 212 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: Team will do. 213 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 3: So. 214 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: You're asking me to tell Rob Kendall to yell at 215 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: a politician. All right, I guess he'll. 216 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: He's got to be on the right side. But right now, 217 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: I don't think he's on the right side, but he 218 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 3: needs to get on the right side. 219 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: Senator Mike Young. We appreciate you, thank you, you're welcome. 220 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: It's the Hember and Nigel Show.