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Speaker 1: Let's go now to the Java House, Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line where joining us now he of course is

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Speaker 1: the authority when it comes to talking about the Pacers

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Speaker 1: and the Fever for that matter. Locked on Pacers, Circle City,

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Speaker 1: Spin and Forbes, amongst others, where you can see and

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Speaker 1: hear Tony East along with this program, Tony begin with this.

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Speaker 1: I know last night was one that was even with

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Speaker 1: the struggles and even with the short handed nature of it,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Pacers still put themselves in position there

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Speaker 1: towards the end when you look at in particular their

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Speaker 1: backcourt play and their lack of consistency of shooting from

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Speaker 1: the outside. Do you attribute that to or how much

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Speaker 1: do you attribute that to just as we were talking

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Speaker 1: about a moment ago, nonfamiliarity at this point of cohesiveness

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Speaker 1: in terms of their offense, just because they have so

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Speaker 1: many new faces out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that in their you know, lineups that they probably

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Speaker 2: never expected to play, you know, certainly plays a part

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Speaker 2: in the quality of shots they're creating the openness of

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Speaker 2: those shots. You know, they've had a couple of games

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Speaker 2: this year where I don't walk away from a feeling

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Speaker 2: like their offense was like so awful, or their ball

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Speaker 2: movement was terrible. But then you look after last night

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Speaker 2: and they had twenty assists against Dallas, like, that's so

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Speaker 2: low for the way they play and the way that

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Speaker 2: they hope to play now. Also, obviously, to get and assist,

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Speaker 2: someone has to make a shot, and they couldn't make

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Speaker 2: anything last night. But they just they haven't had quite

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Speaker 2: the same connectivity pop whatever you want to call it,

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Speaker 2: what they're passing, whether that's due to player absences, whether

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Speaker 2: that's due to chemistry with these new lineups, that's I

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Speaker 2: think that's certainly part of it. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: we've seen all these individuals, even without Tyr's haliburn available,

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Speaker 2: be better at scoring and shooting to this even in

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Speaker 2: these kind of situations before, so I think last night

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Speaker 2: was uniquely bad. It was the seventieth time ever they

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Speaker 2: shot under thirty five percent in franchise history, and it

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Speaker 2: cost them because they easily could have won that game

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Speaker 2: with the normal finishing day Tony.

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Speaker 1: The one of the things I thought about as I

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Speaker 1: was watching the game last night, and it's a hard

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Speaker 1: one to really pinpoint because Pascal Siakam always kind of

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Speaker 1: looks fatigued I don't mean that, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: He just his body language is such that at times

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Speaker 1: it looks laborious. But when scam. I remember when Siakam

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Speaker 1: was up for contract and the discussion about not a

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Speaker 1: Siakam was he had not had the number of minutes

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Speaker 1: or games played. He didn't have the mileage for his

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Speaker 1: that this year is actually going to be too compounding

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Speaker 1: the back end of that contract.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there should be. I mean, this is not a

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Speaker 2: year to ride anybody a ton of minutes, right Like

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Speaker 2: you want to be cautious of what Pascal Siakam will

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Speaker 2: be next year more than anything. And I get that

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Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of available players and they

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Speaker 2: need to play somebody. Siakam's at thirty six minutes a

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Speaker 2: so it's probably closer to thirty four if we're just

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Speaker 2: talking in a regular game, and that'd be higher than

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Speaker 2: anytime he's had with the Pacers by over like a

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Speaker 2: minute and a half. He's obviously played more than that

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Speaker 2: in the past with Toronto, but he's also thirty one

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Speaker 2: So they have to be careful with the right balance

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Speaker 2: And I would have said that even before they were

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Speaker 2: the whole team basically, So that is certainly a concern.

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Speaker 2: And it's crazy because you look and he's averaging twenty

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Speaker 2: everything for this team besides to make free throws this

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Speaker 2: they did great, but is this too much? Like do

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Speaker 2: they need to find a better balance of Siakam because

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Speaker 2: can't do anything else. So not only is he playing

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Speaker 1: What's your level of concern over the length of the

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Speaker 2: It has to be a big one, I mean now,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know what we'll view in retrospect as

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Speaker 2: the injury that was like the final straw of this

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Speaker 2: is too many. I personally felt that way about Matherin

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Speaker 2: Toppin was, you know, a bench player who just found

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Speaker 2: great fit with Alburn. Then what made him great for

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Speaker 2: he fits with nobody cause you can't play, and their

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Speaker 2: They got four from ray J. Dennis last night, you

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Speaker 2: they were six to seventeen. Is the second unit from

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Speaker 2: and by times, I mean basically every time they had

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Speaker 2: and it is the one for my own brain. It

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Speaker 2: crazy lineups now because again they have two of their

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Speaker 2: I think they're starting lineup they found last night was

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Speaker 2: fine lineups that actually work. And amazingly, Topping is a

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Speaker 1: Ben Shephard in terms of running the point, you know,

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Speaker 1: how much do you think that is a learned skill

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Speaker 1: since he entered the league. But in terms of being

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Speaker 1: how big an adjustment do you think that is for him?

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Speaker 2: It's very different, and so to his credit so far,

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Speaker 2: like I think this is by far the most we've

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Speaker 2: seen him get into the paint at all with the

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Speaker 2: Pacers in terms of just like dribbling around the screen

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Speaker 2: where he can at least kind of set something up.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's going super well, but like better

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Speaker 2: than I've ever seen him be with his attacks. That's

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Speaker 2: a big change from him, right, like you said, he's

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Speaker 2: and cut somewhere else. And that stuff is all very

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Speaker 2: important to the function of the team. That's why where

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Speaker 2: Carlisle has always been such a fan of his. But

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Speaker 2: this is different, This is much much different. He has

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Speaker 2: asked to actually put the ball of larn great shots

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Speaker 2: to shoot threes. I mean, he's been dreadful, dreadful as

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Speaker 2: need him to do usually is, you know, defend a

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Speaker 2: hard for him to do either because he's using so

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Speaker 2: much energy as the one. When I talked to him

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Speaker 2: was kind of playing back a point guard. They are

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they're asked kind of get in the teeth and distribute,

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Speaker 2: but they kind of view it as like, yeah, they

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Speaker 2: they're dribbling across half court, but the system is the

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Speaker 2: And I do agree with that that does take away

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Speaker 2: just a wiz in transition, isn't there? And that's why

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Speaker 2: I think recently they function so much better with the

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Speaker 2: ray J Dennis and the floor Dennis is going to

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Speaker 2: more nominal point guard and natural distributing skills that are

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Speaker 2: lacking elsewhere. So I don't mean to take your bench

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Speaker 2: their point guard situation, having just two two way guys

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Speaker 2: available has really shown that, yes, there are alignments where

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Speaker 2: they don't need one. They can have ball handlers who

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Speaker 2: are not natural passers and their system will work. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they'll get good shots out of it, but they still

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Speaker 2: function just a little bit better offensively if they have

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Speaker 2: someone out there who can kind of set stuff up

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Speaker 1: Tony East is our guest Java House Peel and poor

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Speaker 1: guest line is where he is appearing. Tony your thoughts

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Speaker 1: last night on Matt McClung, and I don't know that

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Speaker 1: we've talked to you since he was acquired by Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised by, I guess the link of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the move made sense, not just be

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Speaker 1: Not fascinating to me. And I would assume Tony in

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Speaker 1: Tony appreciate it as always. The afore mentioned Atlanta Hawks,

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Speaker 1: I'm I think the Steelers are good. Aaron Rodgers obviously,

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Speaker 5: Like I didn't know who to pick in the South.

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Speaker 5: I didn't pick them, I picked Houston. I'm fearful always

434
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Speaker 5: of seeing the Colts on the schedule based in the

435
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Speaker 5: last two years and what Stichen has done to Mike

436
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Speaker 5: Tomlin and Tarall Austin, even going back to when he

437
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Speaker 5: was the OC in Philly. So you know, it's not

438
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Speaker 5: like I have no respect for the Colts, particularly what

439
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Speaker 5: they can do offensively. They haven't had much success here

440
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Speaker 5: in Pittsburgh in recent years. You know, I have thought

441
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Speaker 5: a little bit about that twenty twenty game when the

442
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Speaker 5: Steelers were in a similar state of affairs where they

443
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Speaker 5: start at eleven and zero and then everybody sort of

444
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Speaker 5: figured out what they were doing with an aging Ben

445
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Speaker 5: Roethlisberger in the COVID year and they had a massive overcorrection.

446
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Speaker 5: The one game they won late was against Indy, where

447
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Speaker 5: I thought Indy was going to come into here and

448
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 5: blow their doors off. So, you know, I'm surprised at

449
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Speaker 5: what the Colts are doing that they've been able to

450
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Speaker 5: sustain the success as much as they have in a

451
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Speaker 5: topsy turvy.

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Speaker 6: League like this.

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Speaker 5: But I will say this, if you're serious about being

454
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Speaker 5: a team that is a little bit of a newcomer

455
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Speaker 5: to the party, and you think you're gonna beat Buffalo

456
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Speaker 5: or Kansas City in the playoffs, then beat Pittsburgh right

457
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Speaker 5: now when they're down and on the mat. Don't let

458
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Speaker 5: them off the mat, because that's one thing you have

459
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Speaker 5: to scratch your head about. It's so much as any

460
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Speaker 5: your favor and you somehow let the Steelers win this game.

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Speaker 5: That would be surprising to me. I'm really struggling to

462
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Speaker 5: find the calculus where the Steelers beat the Colts. Lets

463
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Speaker 5: the Colts just have a bad game, play and bad day,

464
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Speaker 5: or are sloppy with the football and turn it over

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Speaker 5: a bunch, or have some sort of you know, significant

466
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Speaker 5: injury or to mid game that they can't recover from.

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Speaker 1: So let's say that that is the case. Tim Tim

468
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Speaker 1: Binns is our guest in Pittsburgh. Let's say that's the

469
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Speaker 1: case where the Colts turn the ball over or they

470
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Speaker 1: just have an offensively stagnant day. It happens. Then from

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's standpoint, you know, we know about DK metcalf right

472
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Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers. Obviously maybe he's not Green Bay Aaron Rodgers,

473
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Speaker 1: but still pretty good, you know, Calvin Austin. It seems

474
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Speaker 1: like they'll they'll go tight end a little bit. You know,

475
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Speaker 1: what has been your assessment of Aaron Rodgers. And aside

476
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Speaker 1: from DK metcalf that we know about Pittsburgh's offensive Bellcow would.

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Speaker 5: Beware running with Warren, but they've gotten away from that

478
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 5: too often in games where it's worked. You know, there

479
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 5: have been times where they've had to get away from

480
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Speaker 5: the run because it just hasn't been there. But they've

481
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Speaker 5: also gotten away from it in moments where I don't

482
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Speaker 5: think they should.

483
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Speaker 3: That there's a little bit of a.

484
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Speaker 5: Buyer's remorse component where they just don't trust Jalen Warren

485
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Speaker 5: to be the number one, even though they've made personnel

486
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Speaker 5: moves and paid him like he is. I don't know

487
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Speaker 5: why that is, because he hasn't done anything this year

488
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Speaker 5: to me to suggest that he is anything less of

489
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Speaker 5: a back than what he was when they made those

490
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Speaker 5: decisions during the offseason. So I'm a little surprised by that.

491
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Speaker 5: But you're right in what you said about DK, and

492
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Speaker 5: then you start scratching your head about the other options.

493
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Speaker 5: Receiving wise, Roman Wilson finally had a day against Green

494
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Speaker 5: Bay where he thought, oh, okay, this is why they

495
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Speaker 5: made him a third round pick. I don't have to

496
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Speaker 5: squint to see it as much, So maybe that momentum continues. Austin.

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Speaker 5: I think in a good offense with a good quarterback

498
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Speaker 5: like Rodgers could be a good number three. He's overcast

499
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Speaker 5: as a number two. The theory is that their number

500
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Speaker 5: two wide receiver is the collection of the four tight ends.

501
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Speaker 5: But you know, that's kind of tricky math when you

502
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Speaker 5: start moving the catches around, the ball distribution around to

503
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Speaker 5: have that add up to a number two receiver, and

504
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Speaker 5: then what are you getting from your tight end? You know,

505
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Speaker 5: So it's and and really I think that the first

506
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Speaker 5: time we saw that manifest was two games ago where

507
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 5: Pat Fryermuth went off, you know, on the tight ends.

508
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 5: There were four combined touchdowns between the tight ends. Aside

509
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 5: from that, it's been one tight end per game that's

510
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 5: done something. And Rogers, like you said, he's been good,

511
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Speaker 5: he's been good. I don't have complaints about Rogers. I

512
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Speaker 5: have complaints about how they stalled out at the top

513
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Speaker 5: of the red zone in three very important drives early

514
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Speaker 5: in the game against Green Bay. And when Tomlin has

515
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Speaker 5: complained about that this week, a lot of people have

516
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 5: been throwing stones, saying, well, you're just covering up your

517
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 5: bad defense. That's true, that's what he's doing. But he's

518
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Speaker 5: also not wrong. So they've had some issues there and

519
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 5: sort of like the high red zone area and it's like, oh,

520
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 5: just let Boswell kick another fifty yarder because he doesn't

521
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Speaker 5: miss from there. That's gonna be a dangerous equation as

522
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Speaker 5: the weather gets worse than a slot behindsfield.

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Speaker 1: You know, in looking back at the Colts over the

524
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Speaker 1: last handful of years and the quarterback situation, you know,

525
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Speaker 1: prior to Anthony Richardson and then into Daniel Jones, one

526
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Speaker 1: of the guys that was a pretty good player here

527
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Speaker 1: was Philip Rivers, you know, obviously at the end of

528
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Speaker 1: his career. But it was weird tim because it was

529
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Speaker 1: during the COVID years, so we never really got to

530
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Speaker 1: know Philip Rivers, right, I mean we knew the public

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Speaker 1: persona Philip Rivers, but it wasn't like we were around

532
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Speaker 1: and got to know Philip Rivers. I'm curious because obviously

533
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Speaker 1: it is still new to the game. Do you feel

534
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Speaker 1: like you guys have gotten to know Aaron Rodgers at all?

535
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Speaker 5: Well, I haven't really tried. I mean, like I still

536
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Speaker 5: I feel like Aaron is constantly ready for a fight

537
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Speaker 5: with the media. You know, the coverage of his weight

538
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Speaker 5: to come to Pittsburgh and the way it was perceived

539
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 5: here was a lot of rolling of eyes and deep sighing,

540
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Speaker 5: and a lot of that from people like myself were

541
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Speaker 5: the opinion guys in Pittsburgh that just weren't really on

542
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Speaker 5: board with the decision. So it's taken some time for

543
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Speaker 5: both sides to warm up to each other. But largely

544
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 5: the coverage of him personally and as a quarterback has

545
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Speaker 5: been favorable here since training camp started, since football started,

546
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Speaker 5: I haven't seen any wild disconnects between Aaron and the media,

547
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 5: try as he might. I feel like to have a fight.

548
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 5: I feel like he wants to swing a few punchs.

549
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's where I was going with that,

550
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Speaker 1: and the fact that you know, you know, and look, Tim,

551
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Speaker 1: and I've got a lot of respect for what you

552
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Speaker 1: said there, because I think there are those outside of

553
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Speaker 1: what we do for a living that think that our

554
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Speaker 1: job is to like try to warm up to and

555
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Speaker 1: have dinner with athletes that we cover, and I, you know,

556
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case, but it is to

557
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Speaker 1: still give glimpse sometimes as to what drives players, right,

558
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Speaker 1: And I guess my question to redirect it about Rogers

559
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Speaker 1: would be, we know, the public perception of him that

560
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Speaker 1: he's kind of this, you know, odd, prickly narcissistic, you know,

561
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: everybody seems to be at Bay guy, And so I

562
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: was curious if his behavior in Pittsburgh or his interaction

563
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Speaker 1: has shown to be defiant of that stereotype.

564
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Speaker 3: Largely.

565
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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm waiting for the first two games in a

566
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Speaker 5: row where the offense is at fault and not the defense.

567
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Speaker 3: You know, the.

568
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Speaker 5: The perception of Rogers has allowed him to not have

569
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Speaker 5: to be cast that way because there haven't been a

570
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 5: lot of hard pointed questions at the play of Aaron Rodgers,

571
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Speaker 5: because the defense has been what's under fire, and for

572
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Speaker 5: the most part, the view of what the offense has

573
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Speaker 5: done has been praising of Rogers getting the most out

574
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Speaker 5: of it because he has one really good target to

575
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Speaker 5: throw to and that's just Dkay.

576
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Speaker 1: Is this a boulder in the stream game for Pittsburgh

577
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Speaker 1: in terms of the trajectory of their season?

578
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Speaker 5: Hmm. I'm gonna say no, because I think people have

579
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 5: it chalked up as a loss already and have more

580
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 5: or less since that Cincinnati Thursday night game. You know,

581
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 5: I think there could have been a crescendo, a real

582
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 5: build up to even if the Steelers had lost the

583
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 5: Packer game, if they had beaten the Bengals, it still

584
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 5: would have felt like they were really in control of

585
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 5: the North. And now it just feels like, can they

586
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 5: hold on to the lead that they built while the

587
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 5: rest of the North figures out what's going on with

588
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 5: all these backup and injured quarterbacks. I think it is

589
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 5: it could have coalesced as a this is a game

590
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: for playoff positioning in the AFC playoffs, and maybe it

591
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,479
Speaker 5: would have felt different and bigger. Right now, it's just like,

592
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 5: how do the Steelers cling to the North? And it's

593
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 5: so much more crystallized on just the division games because

594
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Speaker 5: they got four wins, and if they managed to win

595
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: all their other division games, well there's your nine and

596
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 5: you're five and one division. So you know, I don't

597
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 5: think I think so many people now assume this is

598
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 5: going to be a loss based on how the last

599
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 5: two games went. That the bigger games of the next two,

600
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Speaker 5: which are like against the Chargers that's fifty to fifty

601
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: and then the return game against the Bengals where they

602
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 5: may or may not have Flacco, who knows. So I

603
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 5: just think it's like, hey, if they can upset the Colts, great.

604
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: You know, Tomlin has had these games in the past

605
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 5: where everybody's kicking them while he's down and the Steelers

606
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 5: are getting raked over the coals by the local media

607
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 5: and they beat a team that's better at Akroscer Stadium,

608
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: and the national media goes.

609
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Speaker 3: There's Mike Tomlin.

610
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Speaker 2: There's the Mike Tomlin.

611
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 3: We know.

612
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 5: That's why everybody says he should be fired as stupid.

613
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 5: That's the Mike tom when we know and then you're

614
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Speaker 5: kind of go through that news cycle again.

615
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: Now I was gonna ask about Tim Benn's our guest

616
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Speaker 1: he is with the Tribune Review in Pittsburgh. Tomlin, you know,

617
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh has, as you know, Tim, the Steelers organization and franchise,

618
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Speaker 1: I think, has always taken pride in its stability and

619
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Speaker 1: the fact that it is not a place that is

620
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: firing coaches all over the place and getting a new

621
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Speaker 1: coach every three years and et cetera. Is that is

622
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: leaning on that consistency, is buying into and absorbing that

623
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Speaker 1: brand of reputation of stability. Is that part of why

624
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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is I'm not saying that he merits being

625
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: replaced or fired, but would his record have led to

626
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Speaker 1: an ouster in other places more so than Pittsburgh.

627
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, because in other places, when the fans get as

628
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 5: onerous and impatient and angry as the fans have been here,

629
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 5: the owners listen to their credit or to their blame.

630
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 5: The Rooneys, both Dan and now are at the second

631
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 5: do not. And they don't care. And they you know,

632
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 5: they care about their fans, but they don't care about

633
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 5: the opinion that you hold about their head coaching higher

634
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 5: so they are the most patient franchise in the world,

635
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 5: I think, to a fault. And I mean, like, let

636
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: me frame some of the stats as it relates to

637
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 5: Tomlins's track record, And you tell me if these would

638
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 5: resonate the same way in any other market. With Pittsburgh,

639
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: it's been fourteen years and this will be the fifteenth

640
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 5: since they last were in a Super Bowl, all right,

641
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 5: So in those fourteen years, twelve of those years have

642
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 5: ended without a playoff win. It is now this If

643
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 5: they don't want a playoff game this year, this will

644
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 5: be nine in a row without a playoff win. And

645
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Speaker 5: I don't think that people outside of Pittsburgh look at

646
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 5: that emblem and see that kind of postseason failure, because

647
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 5: that emblem carries six trophies with it whenever you look

648
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 5: at it, even though the most resonable witch is starting

649
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: to get pretty dusty too, and that's from two thousand

650
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 5: and eight. Like they are as close now to being

651
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 5: from their last super Bowl championship in eight sorry sorry,

652
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 5: in ten when they made the trip not to win.

653
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 5: But they're as close to that year and ten as

654
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 5: they were when they went from eighty to two thousand

655
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: and five going through in by the way, in that game,

656
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: they're as close to that, And they've had fewer playoff

657
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 5: wins in that stretch as they did in the dark

658
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 5: years of the eighties. Believe it or not, it might

659
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 5: actually might be equal, it might be exactly the same.

660
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 5: But depending on which year he count, is they eighty

661
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 5: or not. Avery started the seventy nine year when they

662
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: won their last one. So like there has been a

663
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 5: really long drought here by Steelers standards that nobody talks

664
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: about because they just look at the Steeler hypocycloid and say, well,

665
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 5: that's the franchise of the six Super Bowl, so they

666
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 5: know what they're doing.

667
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: One for the thumb in eighty one. When I was

668
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: a kid and I was a Steelers fan, I think

669
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: I even had a T shirts had one for the

670
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: thumb in eighty one. It didn't happen in eighty one,

671
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: but all right.

672
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: Tim Lasley, Yeah, I had that shirt too, and I

673
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 5: was still worrying it and when I was in college,

674
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: because it got all the way to nineteen ninety five

675
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 5: before they got to another one. That's right, then all

676
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 5: the way to two thousand and five till they won one.

677
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: Neil o'donald made Larry Brown like three hundred million dollars

678
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: by throwing a couple of picks in the Super Bowl, correct.

679
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 5: Okay, the thirtieth anniversary of that, by the way, coming up, so.

680
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: Thirty that means the thirtieth anniversary of Cordell Stewart out

681
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: of the back of the end zone and then coming

682
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: back in to beat the Colts, right, I mean, you know,

683
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: we don't talk.

684
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 5: About that here, and and when we celebrate the twentieth

685
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 5: anniversary of two thousand and five on Sunday, nobody's gonna

686
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 5: be talking about any of the penalties that the Seahawks

687
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 5: got either, So don't worry about or you're not alone

688
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 5: in that regard.

689
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: Okay, last one, if your last name is Bens, if

690
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: this Colts offense, and whoever would have guessed this, but

691
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: if this offense is a Mercedes Benz, what car is

692
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense?

693
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: Well?

694
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 5: I had a nineteen eighty seven Ford Tempo that I

695
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 5: used to drive back and forth to college when I

696
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 5: was at Syracuse, and it used to make its own

697
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 5: fog inside the chassis, Like it was there's a hose

698
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 5: that was detached and I used to get pog inside

699
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 5: the chassis. And that's sort of what this defense reminds

700
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 5: me of right now, because it costs and wheezes a

701
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 5: lot as games go along. I'll give you here's here's

702
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 5: a little gambling nugget for you. All right, you can

703
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: bet on the Colts over and a half points in

704
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: the fourth quarter. The Steelers are allowing the worst fourth

705
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 5: quarter percentage of number of points scored. I think it's

706
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 5: like twelve points per fourth quarter, like double what the

707
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: Colts are averaging, whether they're The only way the Colts

708
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 5: don't score touchdowns in the fourth quarter is if they're

709
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: up thirty eight to.

710
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: Ten by the fourth.

711
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 5: Now, I don't rule that out, but that feels like

712
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 5: a sweetheart bet to me right now, because this defense

713
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: just runs out of steam as the game goes along,

714
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 5: because they allowed them and played, and you know, they're

715
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 5: on the field for so long that they just get tired.

716
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 5: And I would love a fourth quarter touchdown bet on

717
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 5: the Colts in this game.

718
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: Okay, that happens right around the time the defense is

719
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: getting fogged in the chassis, right, that's what we know,

720
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: right yeah.

721
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 5: And we're all getting fogged over waiting for the game

722
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 5: band and hearing how Tomlin's going to spin this one

723
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 5: in the postgame press.

724
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Confer Tim Bens joining us from Pittsburgh on the Java

725
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: House peeling poor guest line. Tim, appreciate it, man, you

726
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: got it. Thanks for having all right, good conversation, Tim Bins.

727
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: In Pittsburgh, Matt Taylor is the voice of the Colts.

728
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: He will be on the call for the Colts in

729
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers coming up on Sunday.

730
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 3: Matt.

731
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier, and I don't know if let

732
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: me ask this, and my apologies for having to ask

733
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: this without having it right before me. Have you called

734
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: a game in Pittsburgh before?

735
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I've been there three or four times and

736
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 6: then done play by play once, okay, for a while

737
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 6: ago it was in twenty nineteen.

738
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: Gotcha, okay, And again my apologies on that. The reason

739
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: I asked back then, was it Heinz Field Still it was, yep,

740
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: because the one time that I went to a Colts

741
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: Steelers game as a media member years ago, for a

742
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: Monday night football game in my hotel room, and I

743
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: don't know if this was a hotel thing, a Steelers thing,

744
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: an NFL thing, I have no idea, but there was

745
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: a basket about the size of an Eddie Garrison fitted

746
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: hat that had every Heinz product known to man, and

747
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: I was amazed how many different products Heinz makes. But

748
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: it was awesome. But you won't get that now, will you.

749
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: So what do they make? They make mustard and mayo

750
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: and relish. What else did they make?

751
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: Oh?

752
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: They were like barbecue sauces. There were like several different

753
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 1: kinds of barbecue sauce, like basically if there's any sort

754
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: of a condiment in any ways. I mean, hell, there

755
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: might have been motor oil in there.

756
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 6: I don't.

757
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it was unbelievable. It was like NonStop, you

758
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

759
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it'll always be Hinesfield. There will always be the

760
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 6: ketchup bottle in that one end zone in my mind,

761
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

762
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: Like I don't, I don't know.

763
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 6: It's kind of like the RCA Dome, Who's your Dome?

764
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 6: You know, it'll always be you know for some people here.

765
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 6: You know, when the Colts first moved to town, it's

766
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 6: always going to be the Who's Your Dome? But yeah,

767
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 6: regardless of what they call it, it's still a great

768
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 6: home field advance.

769
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: The other thing too, that's disappointing is now that it's

770
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: no longer Heinz Field. I can't make my annual joke

771
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: about the fact that it takes four and a half

772
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: hours to get everyone out of the stadium. Here we go,

773
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: homestyle gravy, ketchup, vinegar, mustard, relish, Mayo cup, mixed sauce,

774
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: chili sauce, pickle sauce, relish, barbecue sauce. I'm telling you,

775
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Like just nonstin and I got them all

776
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: in one basket. Okay, let's begin with this.

777
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: They don't make ranch, No ranch on there.

778
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: There's got to hold on. There's got to be ranch, right.

779
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: Is that an Indiana thing?

780
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: Though?

781
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: Here's the musta with like four a's mustard. That's a

782
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: Chipotle honey flavor. I mean, it's NonStop cocktail, sauce, turkey gravy.

783
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: There's got to be a ranch in here.

784
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: Now.

785
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,439
Speaker 1: Now you got me looking? Now you got me looking, Eddie,

786
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: Can you continue looking? Please? At the hunt? How about

787
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: just the Hinds Worcester sauce, Worcester shirt. However, you say.

788
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 6: That some people don't consider ranch a condiment. Some people

789
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 6: say ranch is only addressing. To me, it's a condiment.

790
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 6: Quite frankly, it's the most versatile condiment.

791
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: You know what they do they have ranch, they do.

792
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 3: They got Okay, all right, I consider.

793
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Ranch and mayonnaise both to be absolutely horrific in the

794
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: Spawn of the Devil. But that's a whole different talk show.

795
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: Oh oh Jay, I'm just telling you.

796
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Matt. Let's begin with this trade

797
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: deadline upcoming. You know, do you anticipate I don't know

798
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: that any of us know for certain, and it always

799
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: takes two to tango, right, Do you think that we

800
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: will see something or hear something between now and the

801
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: trade deadline?

802
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

803
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 6: I don't know. It's a really good question because you know,

804
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 6: since Chris Ballard's been here, you know, they haven't been seven.

805
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 3: And one at this point.

806
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 6: You know, as we get creeping towards the trade deadline,

807
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 6: so you know, not to cop out, but it's kind

808
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 6: of like uncharted waters right now, you know what I mean.

809
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 6: So you know, if you were to look at the

810
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 6: roster and say, where are some of the upgrades in

811
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 6: terms of positions, you know, you can look at corner,

812
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 6: you can look at defensive end.

813
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 3: But again, like, who are you gonna get?

814
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 6: Like I don't I'm just playing Devil's advocate, you know

815
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 6: what I mean? Like you know the top corners aren't

816
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 6: going to be on the mark kit. You know, are

817
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 6: you going to give up a draft pick for next

818
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 6: year when you think you're going to be good again

819
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 6: next season? Right in twenty twenty six, you know you're

820
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 6: gonna give up draft picks to to.

821
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 3: Reinforce your roster, you know, next spring. You know, I

822
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: don't know, like if if you just get.

823
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 6: You know, marginally better or just percentage points better, is

824
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 6: it worth doing, you know, based on or compared to

825
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 6: I should say, you know, like some of the guys

826
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 6: you've had on this team that know the system, that

827
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 6: have been you been with you every step of the

828
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 6: waves so far this year, dating back to training camp,

829
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 6: and I don't know, I'm just playing Devil's advocate, but

830
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 6: it's going to be fascinating to see, you know, what

831
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 6: ends up happening next week, because it's next What is the.

832
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: Next Tuesday, right?

833
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 6: I think it's the fourth at four o'clock, So, you know, corner,

834
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 6: defensive end, you know, these are areas that you know,

835
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 6: the Colts might be looking to possibly upgrade because you know,

836
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 6: they've they've got a lot of sacks, they got a

837
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 6: lot of pressures. But like we've talked about before in

838
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 6: the past. You know, you want to see more of

839
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 6: those first wave sacks. You want to see more consistent

840
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 6: and see in the sack total. You know, before the

841
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 6: fourth quarter, win a team on offense that you know,

842
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 6: your opposing team that's trying to get back into the game,

843
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 6: you know, down by like twenty points, as was the

844
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 6: case last week in the fourth quarter with Tennessee. You know,

845
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 6: that's when the sacks have come. You want to see

846
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 6: them come, you know, earlier in the game, and I

847
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 6: would say more significant spots if you will. But it's

848
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 6: going to be really interesting to see what happened.

849
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: Where do things stand right now? Matt Taylor, the voice

850
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: of the Colts to our guest on the Java House,

851
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line, Where do things stand right

852
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: now in terms of health status? The injury report from yesterday, Matt,

853
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: there were more There were some on there that did

854
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: not practice yesterday. That did surprise me a little bit.

855
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: But then again, you have to temper that somewhat because

856
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: you just don't know how much of that is precautionary

857
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: because it's the beginning of the week as opposed to

858
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: the end.

859
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's a good point.

860
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 6: I mean with today's kind of like the day where

861
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 6: you want to ease guys back in that are dealing

862
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 6: with things from the weekend before, and so you see

863
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 6: more DMPs you know, did not anticipates on Wednesday than

864
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 6: you do on Thursday or Friday, as you lead, you know,

865
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 6: ramp back up into a weekend if you will. So yeah,

866
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 6: I mean yesterday, I think the guys you're referring to,

867
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 6: like can get Cross and Josh Downs. You know, Grover

868
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 6: Stewart didn't practice yesterday, Anthony Gould didn't practice yesterday. A

869
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 6: lot of those guys did come back.

870
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: In some form today.

871
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 6: We'll see what the injury report says, you know, when

872
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 6: they have a clear designation on them, But they were

873
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 6: more visible when the media was out there earlier today.

874
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 6: So some guys were back to practice today that didn't

875
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 6: practice yesterday, that were visible by the media. I think

876
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 6: Grover Stewart's probably the biggest one to keep an eye

877
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 6: on because we didn't see him today and he didn't

878
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 6: practice yesterday, and so we'll see what his designation is

879
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 6: later on this afternoon when the injury report comes out.

880
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 6: But I mean he's still even though I had a

881
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 6: time a lot of bars having a really good year,

882
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 6: and Neville Gallimore is having.

883
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: A really good year. You know, he's still just I think,

884
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: one of the.

885
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 6: Best defensive tackles in the game. And you pair him

886
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 6: up with the Forrest Buckner, then I think you really

887
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 6: have something which has been the case the last you know,

888
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 6: three or four years, and those guys have been just

889
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 6: in their prime. So you want to have him available

890
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 6: on the road in a really big, big game, big

891
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 6: atmosphere in Pittsburgh, ideally going in Sunday.

892
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: You know, Matt, one of the things we talked about yesterday,

893
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: and I know that Gonzalez did not practice because of

894
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: a family loss, you know, so a personal reason he

895
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: did not practice. I don't know, and I certainly understand,

896
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, I whether or not that means he's available

897
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday, I think we would all understand if he's

898
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: not when you have a family member that passes. But

899
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: the we've talked about Daniel Jones, you know, you and

900
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: I when you when you come on, we've talked about this.

901
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: You know, the offense and the way they're playing and

902
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: in all of it, and I feel like the time

903
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: is now and probably we could do it every day

904
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: to give the offensive line their flowers because, individually speaking,

905
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: and I wanted you to touch on this, individually, each

906
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: member of that line not named Quentin Nelson came into

907
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: a situation where there was reason for them to be questioned.

908
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: Maybe they were playing a different position than what they

909
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: played in college, Maybe they were their arms weren't long enough,

910
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, according to the gurus on draft night, et cetera.

911
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: Each one of them had something to prove. Yet collectively,

912
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: as a unit, they are playing as well. Is about

913
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: any line we've seen in a long time in this

914
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: town and right now, as well as anybody in the league.

915
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: And I'm curious if you have noticed, from an individual

916
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: standpoint just kind of that drive that each of those

917
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: guys individually has that I'm talking about.

918
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 6: No, I appreciate you bringing those guys up. I mean,

919
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 6: if you just mean go through them one by one,

920
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 6: like you said. Outside of Nelson, I mean, Ryman was

921
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 6: a tight end in college and had a really tough

922
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 6: in doctrination into the NFL. Remember that twenty twenty two season.

923
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 6: It was kind of rough for him, you know, he

924
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 6: had to put on weight and work on his footwork,

925
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 6: I mean his first game, I think it was on

926
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 6: a Thursday night against Denver, and he had like whatever

927
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 6: it was, you know, three or four fall starts, a

928
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 6: couple holding penalties, like it was a very forgettable performance.

929
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 6: And now he's rock solid. And then you've got the

930
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 6: center Tanner Bordolini. Just as recently as what four months ago,

931
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 6: he was in a battle with Danny Pinter to be

932
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 6: the starter at center, and now he's played about ninety

933
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 6: six percent of the snaps and he's one of the

934
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 6: most athletic centers in the game and can do a

935
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 6: lot of things that other guys can't. You mentioned Matt Gonzalvez,

936
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 6: you know, losing.

937
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: His dad, and so obviously this is going to be.

938
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 6: A really trying, trying week and trying time for him.

939
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 6: But you know, he's he's making a position switch as well,

940
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 6: going from tackle to guard, and you know, missed most

941
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 6: of the end of his last year in college at Pittsburgh,

942
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 6: and he seems like he's just killing it right now

943
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 6: in the inside of that offensive line. And then Braden

944
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 6: Smith going through what he went through last year with

945
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 6: you know, his his OCD problems and you know some

946
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 6: of the mental health you know, hurdles that he's dealt with,

947
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 6: and he talks openly about those again yesterday, and I

948
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 6: think he's just a walking inspiration for not only guys

949
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 6: in the locker room, but when people read and you know,

950
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 6: hear about his story, he gives a lot.

951
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: Of people hope and optimism.

952
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 6: And you know, it's that that kicking the stigma, you know,

953
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 6: mantra that the colts in the organization live by.

954
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 3: You know, it's okay not to be okay, and.

955
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 6: He's dealt with those mental demons and has come out

956
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 6: on the other side. And so you know, it's Braden

957
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 6: the other day too, talking about you know, he's been

958
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 6: here since twenty eighteen, Nelson's been here since eighteen. Ryman's

959
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 6: been here for what four or five years now, and

960
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 6: this is the closest offensive line togetherness that they've had.

961
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 6: I think Tony Sperano deserves a lot of credit for that,

962
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 6: but it's just I think Nelson and his leadership they

963
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 6: hang out off the field, they go to dinners, but

964
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 6: just on the field most importantly, they're just connected. They're bonded,

965
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 6: and I think that matters, and I think that helps,

966
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 6: you know, the production. They've only given up what nine

967
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 6: sacks all season. I mean, that's just a tremendous number.

968
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 6: And it's helping Daniel Jones is helping the rest of

969
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 6: the offense. And you know those intangibles that don't show

970
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 6: up in the box score, you know, like team chemistry.

971
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 6: I think that's a huge part of their success.

972
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: Up front, Matt Taylor, the Voice of the Colts, is

973
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: our guest Java House Peel and poor guest line. Matt,

974
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm curious of the Jim Mersey collection that we now

975
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: know is going to go up for sale. You're a

976
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: music guy, You're an old soul musically speaking. You're going

977
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: to put in bids for witch guitar.

978
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's great.

979
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 6: I mean anything by spring staying anything. I mean, I

980
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 6: know he's got the Pink Floyd guitars and the Jimmy

981
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 6: Hendrix guitars. I mean, it's not hyperbole when people say

982
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 6: it is the best guitar collection in the world. And

983
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 6: I've seen it like three or four times, you know,

984
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 6: most specifically when the Jim Mersey band would play the

985
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 6: kickoff concert, you know, late August, early September before Week one,

986
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 6: you know, got to poke around at it a couple

987
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 6: of times then, But to me, it's like being in

988
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 6: the equivalent of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

989
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 6: I've been to the Rock Hall once and I could

990
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 6: have spent you know, three more days there just walking

991
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 6: around and appreciating things. So yeah, without a doubt, that's

992
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 6: that's the coolest part of the collection for me. And

993
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 6: it spanned so many different things, as we know, right,

994
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 6: it's not just music, it's pop culture, it's history. But

995
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 6: the guitar collection is probably the highlight of the collection.

996
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: So I don't want to get anybody in trouble here.

997
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: But I don't know the guy's names. I guess I

998
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: won't you know, I don't Matt, you know Nick Yellman?

999
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: Right?

1000
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: Did I do any car radio with?

1001
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1002
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: So, Nick and I several years ago were in I

1003
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: think it was when we were at mid Ohio and

1004
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: we're like, let's go to Cleveland. So we we drug

1005
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: to Cleveland and we're like, let's go to the Rock

1006
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame. Well, it closes at six

1007
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, and we get there at like five point fifteen.

1008
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: This is kind of the story of my life, right, So,

1009
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: and it's not inexpensive. The rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

1010
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five bucks wherever we get in. So

1011
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: we go there and Nick and I are sitting there

1012
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: debating and discussing whether or not we should pay the

1013
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: full fare to go in and be able to walk through,

1014
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: and basically like, oh look there's Jimmy. There's Jim Morrison's

1015
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: boy Scout uniform, you know what I mean. So while

1016
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: we're doing it, the guy working says, so, where are

1017
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: you guys from? And I say we're from We work

1018
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: radio for Indy Card. We're from Indianapolis. The guy then

1019
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: like jolts full of energy and says, I'm the biggest

1020
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts fan known to man, and like has to

1021
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: show me his wallet which is like a Colt's wallet,

1022
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: and his key chain which is the Colts keychain, and

1023
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: his boxers, which are Colts boxers, and then it's uncomfortable.

1024
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: And then he says, if you're from Indy Hell, I

1025
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: ain't charging you. And so we got to go in free.

1026
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: So the Colts got me in free to the Rock

1027
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: and Roll Hall of Fame.

1028
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: Baby, did you get to stay later?

1029
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: You know, great question. You would have thought it was

1030
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: one of those things where I think It's kind of

1031
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: like when you're at Kroger and they're like attention choppers.

1032
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: He got ten minutes to get up to the front.

1033
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: I think they came over and said, like, you know,

1034
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: we close in ten minutes, and we just kind of

1035
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: meandered our way through and we did not stay like

1036
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: well after hours, but we got we got our money's worth,

1037
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. Right.

1038
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: That's well, there's no doubt about that. Yeah.

1039
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 6: I mean that thing has got like seven stories, doesn't it.

1040
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 6: I mean, yea, it may have, it may have changed

1041
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 6: since I last been there.

1042
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: Well, the problem I have with the Rock and Roll

1043
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame is I'm like, let's just call it

1044
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: what it is at this point. It's the Music Hall

1045
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: of Fame, right, Like there's nothing about Bob Marley that

1046
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: says rock and roll, right, yes and.

1047
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 6: No, Like I see your point, But rock and roll

1048
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 6: is it's like a rock and roll is like a

1049
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 6: melting pot.

1050
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: It's like it's the evolution of it's the evolution of gospel.

1051
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 6: And rock and funk and soul and R and B.

1052
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 3: So, I mean all of those things kind of pipe

1053
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: into rock and.

1054
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: Roll and I don't even know is Dolly Parton in

1055
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I don't know,

1056
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or you know, like country music.

1057
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's to me again, it's I get it.

1058
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: I mean, if there is one genre of music that

1059
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: you would say is the most all encompassing, perhaps rock

1060
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: and roll is the term, right, but maybe it's an

1061
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: age thing too. I still think of rock and roll

1062
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: as meaning like from Bill Haley and the comments through

1063
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: classic rock and then that's it, which leads to this

1064
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: last question, Matt.

1065
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 4: She was by the way, in November of twenty two.

1066
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: Okay, do you believe, Matt, that classic rock is defined

1067
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: simply as music that is, say, forty years old, regardless

1068
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: of the time frame in which you are using the term,

1069
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: or does classic rock simply mean music produced from nineteen

1070
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: sixty eight to nineteen eighty.

1071
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 6: I think it's probably more of like what you said,

1072
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 6: like six like a time period, you know, like mid

1073
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 6: sixties to early eighties.

1074
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: So Nirvana because they are now you know, that debut

1075
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: album is nearly thirty five years old. It does not

1076
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: quantify as classic rock, correct.

1077
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Speaker 3: In my opinion.

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Speaker 6: No, But that being said, like I think it's hard

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Speaker 6: to argue that nowadays, because I think the rock and

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Speaker 6: roll or the classic rock format. And I could be

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Speaker 6: wrong about this because I don't. I don't listen to

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Speaker 6: like Q ninety five or one oh four point five

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Speaker 6: on the rag as they say, as the kids say,

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Speaker 6: But it just seems like I'm hearing more of like

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Speaker 6: Nirvana and the Red Hot Chili pep right.

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Speaker 3: More than I did, you know fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the one of the more sober moments

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Speaker 1: of my life is when I was talking to a

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Speaker 1: college person and I said something like, yeah, when I

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Speaker 1: was in college, Nirvana and Pearl Jam were huge, and

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Speaker 1: they said to me, oh, yeah, dude, I love all

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Speaker 1: the old classic rock.

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Speaker 6: Okay, And then and then you punched them in the mouth.

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, okay, we could have stopped there.

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Speaker 1: All right, Steelers and Cults on Sunday, Matt, we will

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Speaker 1: be listening and certainly enjoy the trip over and safe travels.

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Speaker 3: All right, All right, guys, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, the Voice of the Cults,