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Speaker 2: I'm sure he confuses a lot of people. Jake, by

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is what thoroughly confuses me. I don't I

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Speaker 1: That's cool. And when he simply says, right here, they

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Speaker 1: Braydon Smith is the best player in college basketball, Okay,

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Speaker 2: If Duke defeats Virginia, then as of these rankings, your

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Speaker 1: Both of them are already ranked ahead of James Madison. Yes,

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Speaker 2: JMU has no chance, that is what I'm saying. No,

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Speaker 1: You're in the ACC the A tournaments. It's a championship.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's why I'm saying they're not totally mathematically eliminated,

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Speaker 1: In because A can cancel itself out. Yes to me,

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Speaker 1: when they do the college Football Playoff rankings, the way

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Speaker 2: The SEC Title game isn't that Alabama and Georgia.

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Speaker 1: That sounds right, yes, So again, Vanderbilt's okay, you're you're working.

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Speaker 1: Vanderbilt's work is complete. They got to sit and you know.

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Speaker 1: you go, well, your defense is terrible and your quarterback

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Speaker 1: I don't believe in And I said, okay, well, other

431
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: than that, I know it was. It was a good

432
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 1: scouting report, right, And then you know, then we also,

433
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Speaker 1: I think both of us were kind of incredulous over

434
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Speaker 1: arch Manning, and I think we expected more out of

435
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: what he would be able to do for Texas in

436
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: that opening game, and maybe we didn't give enough credit

437
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: to Ohio State's defense because we thought, okay, arch Manning's

438
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 1: too young, is a moment's too big for him, and

439
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: that Ohio State defense is obviously elite. Do you see

440
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: that as the biggest challenge for Indiana Saturday?

441
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 6: Yeah?

442
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 4: I think so.

443
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Speaker 5: I mean, well, at first off, I think it is

444
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 5: super cool to see Indiana uh in the positioner and

445
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 5: it's it's, in fact, to me, the most fascinating storyline

446
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 5: that I've ever witnessed.

447
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I I the rise of.

448
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 5: The program from the seller to you know, to to

449
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 5: being one of the top teams in the nation in

450
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 5: two years or even less really is an unbelievable thing, right,

451
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 5: I mean, it is absolutely incredible what Signetty has done.

452
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 5: And but I do think that you know, Ohio State

453
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 5: on the whole this year, and we'll see what this

454
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 5: weekend brings, but Ohio State on the whole this year

455
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 5: has been absolutely dominant in every facet of the game.

456
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 5: And if I could see one weakness in Indiana, it's

457
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 5: just that, you know, that Penn State game was a concern,

458
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 5: like you know, the Penn State deal. You know, I

459
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 5: really thought they wuld blow Penn State out. Penn State

460
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 5: has obviously been going through some tough times, going through

461
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 5: some coaching changes, so on and so forth.

462
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 4: And they really didn't do that right the.

463
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 5: The the the performance wasn't really awe inspiring like with

464
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 5: like you may have thought. But at the end of

465
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 5: the day, you know, I think Ohio Stage d is

466
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 5: going to present them all the challenges in the world.

467
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 5: But I do also think they're going to score points.

468
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 5: I don't think that this is going to be you know,

469
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 5: like what we've seen year to date, right, I mean,

470
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 5: where basically nobody can score on Ohio State. I mean,

471
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 5: and that's not me saying as an arrogant fan, that's

472
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 5: the reality, right, So we'll see.

473
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: Now, is that to say that you're admitting to being

474
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Speaker 1: an arrogant fan?

475
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Speaker 4: Not a chance. Hey, I'll tell you this right now.

476
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm confident this weekend. I'm not over confident

477
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 4: this weekend. You know, I don't.

478
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 5: I think Indiana's got a shot, just be clear. And

479
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 5: but I also don't think this is a home game.

480
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 5: Like most things you watch, there's gonna be a lot

481
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 5: of buck guys, yours truly included. They're going to be

482
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 5: there screaming loud and proud.

483
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: I know that.

484
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: You know to me, Graham, and you're right. I mean,

485
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: the Indiana story is truly and listen, you know I'm

486
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: here up front talking about it every week for the

487
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: last two years, and it still is surreal, right of

488
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: like can this really? And the reality is this?

489
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Speaker 2: And I realize it's not like you're watching every other

490
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: team every other Saturday.

491
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Speaker 1: But Graham, would you agree with this? I think we

492
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: can emphatically say these are the two best teams in

493
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Speaker 1: college football right now in terms of no doubt totality, right,

494
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean on both sides of the football for both

495
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: of them, right.

496
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 5: Dude, I'm calling it right now. Jeorga is half there.

497
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 5: They're not They are not that great. I'm telling you

498
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 5: right now. Alabama is overrated as hell. How Alabama is

499
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 5: high of a seed as they are is only for

500
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 5: one reason because their name and their brand. You know,

501
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 5: to me, the Texas Tech thing TBD, Right, I'm not

502
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 5: one hundred percent sold on that.

503
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: Oregon.

504
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 5: I actually don't think Oregon is that good.

505
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 4: Now, this is me going on my rant.

506
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: I want a lot of football that I'm not going

507
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 5: to claim to be an expert, but I don't think

508
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 5: that there is any teams as complete as Ohio State

509
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 5: in Indiana this particular year. And you know, to me,

510
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 5: this weekend's matchup is just is a killer opportunity. The

511
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 5: biggest thing for me is I hope these teams don't

512
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 5: get slighted by taking a loss. You know, you you

513
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 5: would hate to see it. And I'm not saying they're

514
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 5: not going to make play clearly they're in the playoffs.

515
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 5: My point though, is you'd hate to see one of

516
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 5: them drop, you know, too far, because they don't deserve it, right,

517
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 5: They certainly shouldn't drop more than maybe to number three.

518
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 5: You know, I mean when you look at it and

519
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 5: that's saying that, that's that's basin on Georgia actually winning.

520
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 5: So you know, overall we'll see I suppose.

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00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: Graham in racing, Graham Rayhul's my guest, Java House Peel

522
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: and poor guest line.

523
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: In racing, we use a term called turn up the wick.

524
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: So like in the Indy five hundred, it's the last

525
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: twenty five laps of the race. Now, let's turn up

526
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: the wick. Let's get everything we have out of the car,

527
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: and let's go. It's the final stint. Do you believe that,

528
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: offensively speaking, that Ohio state is there's still another level

529
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: on the notch for the Buckeyes to turn up the wick?

530
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: Has Ryan Day, to use a racing term, been sandbagging

531
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: a little bit on what that offense can do.

532
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 5: Yes, So to answer the question, I have to be

533
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: careful what I say, because I got a lot of

534
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 5: buddies there I hear. More so, I asked a buddy

535
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 5: this very question earlier this year. I said, I explain

536
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 5: it to me. We're not putting up a ton of points.

537
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 5: We're not doing this, he said, look flat out. The

538
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 5: objective is simple. We want to play one last game

539
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 5: by the end of the year than everybody else. We

540
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 5: want to play clock. We'll move the ball, on the

541
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 5: ball and count. That's number one, buddy. He said, you

542
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 5: remember the Penn State game. I said, yep, he goes.

543
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 5: You remember the third quarter, I said, I do, He goes,

544
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 5: We put up twenty one points in five minutes. I said, yep,

545
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 5: he goes. That was fourth year. We knew that we

546
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 5: didn't play the first halfway wanted to. We knew we

547
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 5: had to come out in the second and pull a

548
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 5: gap in a very short period of time. And that's

549
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 5: precisely what we did. And you know, to me, it's

550
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 5: pretty damn cool to hear. I mean, that's what makes

551
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 5: me as a Buck I fan more confident than last

552
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: year and the other year. I feel, and again this

553
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 5: isn't just say honestly that Ohio State is going to

554
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 5: go and win this weekend, but I feel there is

555
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 5: a control within this team that they never had before.

556
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 5: Like they they are truly in control of what is

557
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 5: going on. They're in control of the play clock. They're

558
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 5: in control of the time of possession. I mean, dude,

559
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 5: look what they did in the mission. I mean, not only

560
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 5: did they beat them, but they didn't They weren't trying

561
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 5: to run up the score clearly, but they had forty

562
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 5: minutes time of possession. They just held the ball. That

563
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 5: was their objective. Pull the ball, keep the ball. And

564
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: you know, that's the thing that's going to be interesting

565
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 5: as compared to Indiana, who in my eyes, Indiana is

566
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 5: a faster paced team. They're gun slingers. Mendoza is going

567
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 5: to try to push the ball down the field at

568
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 5: all times. They're a little bit of a faster pace

569
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 5: of play typically, and they're willing clearly to run up scores.

570
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 5: Ohio State this year is in the opposite mentality keep

571
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 5: the score count, you know, keep the play count low,

572
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: and they don't really care if they win by twenty

573
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: or if they win by forty. It's not really an objective.

574
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 5: And I think that's been pretty cool to see this year.

575
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: Where is Ohio State from what you've seen, Graham, where

576
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: is Ohio State susceptible?

577
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 5: I think actually they're cornerbacks. They have you know, a

578
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 5: couple of of of of a good experience guys, but

579
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 5: they have a lot of youth. You're starting to see

580
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 5: Jermaine Matthews play a lot more. I think he's a sophomore,

581
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 5: but you're also seeing a lot of true freshmen out there.

582
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: Devin Sanchez, you know some of these guys. So I think,

583
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 5: to me, that's what's you know, made a little bit

584
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 5: more interesting is the matchups on the sides. Ohio State

585
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 5: strength is going to be their D line again, the

586
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: center of their D of course, their safeties and linebackers

587
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 5: arguably the best linebackers in the country, arguably the best

588
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,719
Speaker 5: safety in the country, and Caleb Downs, he's the smart player.

589
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 5: I think that ultimately will limit a little bit of

590
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: the rushing attack that Indiana has.

591
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: But on the.

592
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 5: Corners, I do think that, you know, Ohio State can

593
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 5: be susceptible to the crossing or else in some of

594
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 5: the deeper plays that it'll be interesting to see how that,

595
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 5: you know, plays out this weekend with Mendoza, obviously, you know,

596
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: it's obviously pretty pretty damn good thrower. So I don't know, man,

597
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's my quick take on this thing.

598
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: If this were any other team, But Ohio State. Let's

599
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: just say that if and I'll put it to you

600
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: this way, if Ohio State was allowed, if they said,

601
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: you know what, Ohio State, you're the defending national champion,

602
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: so we're going to let you sit out the Big

603
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: Ten game and pick the opponent for Indiana. And so

604
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: they just pick an opponent, Okay, And let's it's not Michigan, Oregon, whoever.

605
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: If it were anybody but Ohio State, would you be

606
00:32:59,200 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: rooting for Indiana?

607
00:32:59,800 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: Say?

608
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 5: Hell?

609
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, of course I would.

610
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely I would because it's mean of a second home

611
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: or because of the crementory.

612
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 6: Right.

613
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: Oh no, it's been home for an extended period of time,

614
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: you know, I mean as it's you know, I've been

615
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 5: here since twenty ten. I mean for me, you know,

616
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 5: living in this you know, in this city and stuff.

617
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 5: You know, it's a it's a cool story. And you know,

618
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: at the same time too, man, I ever take the

619
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 5: success for granted. As a fan, I mean, Ohio State

620
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 5: fans are are truly the most selfish or the most

621
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 5: spoiled people in the country because you know, we we

622
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: we lose one or two games and it's the end

623
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 5: of the world, right, Like you look at programs like

624
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: Alabama on some of these others that I used to.

625
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: But for me, I think it's just a damn cool story.

626
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 5: It's great to see, you know, Indiana having the success

627
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: they're having, and when you have fans that have remained

628
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 5: that loyal and the diehards and so on and so forth,

629
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 5: you know it, it's cool to see them get get

630
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 5: rewarded with, you know, with some great performances.

631
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: For sure.

632
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: Now I'm not gonna lie to you. As a Clemson fan,

633
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I never thought the situation would come where I'm looking

634
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: to see how much hotel rooms are n l Paso.

635
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I mean, it's you know,

636
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: it's just a way.

637
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you this.

638
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 5: I try. I was like, I was excited about going

639
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 5: to the Championship game this week, and I thought I

640
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 5: took it for granted. I was like, ah, you know what,

641
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 5: I used to buy a suite every year in advance

642
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 5: and blah blah blah blah the company pay for is

643
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 5: good fun.

644
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: And I last couple of years, I was like, I'm done.

645
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: I'm done.

646
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 5: I'm done freaking buying a stupid thing, having to watch

647
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 5: Michigan play. I'm not doing a more, so I stopped right,

648
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 5: so I was like this year, I'm like, oh, this

649
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 5: would be great. You know, We'll get to the end

650
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 5: of the year and then I'll make a decision. Well,

651
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 5: Indiana gets in and this is the most outrageously priced event.

652
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 5: I didn't end up doing a beat or anything. I

653
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 5: got very fortunate. A buddy of mine is going to

654
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 5: give me a couple of tickets. But I'm like, dude,

655
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 5: what or I invited you? I said, hey, bro, I'm

656
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 5: gonna buy a suite.

657
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 4: You want to go?

658
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 5: And You're like yeah, And then I go to look

659
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 5: up a suite. Yeah, one got sent to me for

660
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 5: an outrageously embarrassingly high priced Like ah yet, no, no, nope,

661
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 5: I'm good.

662
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: And and here's the all thing, Graham, and I appreciate

663
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: the offer, right, and I'm glad you're gonna be going.

664
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: But the other thing too, is you've also got in

665
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: terms of the company money. You got to replace windows

666
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: over at the company, don't you. Didn't you have something

667
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: that happened over there recently?

668
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

669
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, man, we got shot with some I don't know,

670
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 5: we had a couple of pellet, some high powered pelagan

671
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 5: although somebody was on campus and working at bodies at

672
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 5: the chop house that we've got up here, and they

673
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 5: said it did sound like a bullet, but we believe

674
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 5: it's a pelagon. I shattered two of our windows. Just

675
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 5: got the bill for it fifteen thousand dollars. So if

676
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 5: those kids are listening, thank you. Two juveniles. They went

677
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 5: from us either to Lebanon, shot out some windows in Lebanon,

678
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 5: or went from Lebanon to us. Either way, it doesn't

679
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 5: really matter. It's a shame because they're juveniles. The town

680
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 5: is Zionsvil. The police department did a wonderful job finding him,

681
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 5: but we get no details. I told him, hey, bring

682
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 5: them on over here. We'll teach them a lesson. They

683
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 5: can so sweeping the parking lot will put them to work.

684
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 5: They can pay through there, you know, pay for the

685
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 5: windows the hard way.

686
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 4: But it is what it is.

687
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 5: I mean, it's disappointing for sure, but hopefully it doesn't

688
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 5: become a pattern that well.

689
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Lastly, Graham, and I know you're in town. Well, I

690
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: mean you live here obviously, but you said you got

691
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: indiecar meetings. What what are going on? What's going on

692
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: with the meetings today? Is this basically everybody just sitting

693
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: around figuring out who's driving where this year because you've

694
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: got a new teammate, right.

695
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 5: Nuh, yeah, it's it's this is a series you know,

696
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 5: meetings that we do every year and uh, you know,

697
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 5: meet with I don't know who from Penske, but but

698
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 5: you know, obviously.

699
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: Novak and all the boys will be there.

700
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: And so uh yeah, I mean I think it's a

701
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 3: time to give some opinions, you know, not only on

702
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: on you know, the fundamentals of the series, but race control,

703
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: future events, things like that, and so i'd imagine a

704
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: lot of the drivers.

705
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 4: Will be there. But yeah, man, I'm off to that

706
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 4: right now.

707
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: Now you've got mix Schumacher as a teammate. Now, Michael

708
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: Schumacher's son. This is new. This came about about two

709
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I wanted to ask you about that real

710
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: quick before we let you go, just you know, your

711
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: excitement level or how much you know about him.

712
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm pretty pumped about Mick. He's a

713
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: great kid, I mean, a super super great kid, you know,

714
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: very very humble, you can tell from a great family.

715
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 4: And I was actually.

716
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 7: Sporting you know, engineer zoom and stuff, I think you

717
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 7: just connected my car anyway, engineering zoom and stuff with Mick.

718
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 7: And I'm pretty pretty pumped up about him.

719
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: Man.

720
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 7: I think he's going to be a great asset only

721
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 7: to us, but.

722
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 6: To the sport.

723
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 7: I think people are really going to take well to him.

724
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 6: He's super nice guy.

725
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 8: Uh.

726
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 7: His mom, you know, mom was an absolute doll to

727
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 7: all the people, to all of our people, all of

728
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 7: our staff when they came in. No, I think that's it. Uh,

729
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 7: that speaks volume to him, to his family. I'm telling

730
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 7: somebody today, like you think about the prime of Michael

731
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 7: Schumacher and what you know, what Nick grew up in,

732
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 7: you know, a worldwide scale when you talked about same

733
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 7: at that time, you talked about Tiger Woods, you talked

734
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 7: about Michael Jordan, you talk about Michael Schumach, right, and

735
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 7: yet you know, here comes in this kid who's you know,

736
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 7: so humble down to Earthe it's a great guy, and

737
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 7: his mom's the same. It's sweet, man, and I'm looking

738
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 7: forward to it for sure.

739
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: Okay. Lastly, Graham, is this the first of two meetings

740
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: for Ohio State and Indiana this year?

741
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 7: I don't believe.

742
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: They don't.

743
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 7: I don't know i'd say that. I think both have

744
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 7: a good chance as long as the lacker you know,

745
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 7: works and they just went out, they get to the final, right,

746
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 7: But but I you know, to me, it's it's a

747
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 7: long playoff this year, and I think it's going to

748
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 7: be interesting to see. Well, let's put it this way.

749
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 7: They both have got to get yes, I think. And

750
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 7: if they both get yed, then I think they're looking

751
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 7: pretty good.

752
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they will. I do think they will,

753
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: and they both deserve it, for sure. Graham ray Hall,

754
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: IndyCar season will be here before we know it. It

755
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: starts out, I believe in Saint Pete if I'm not mistaken.

756
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: But that's still like four months down the road. Football

757
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: to be played between now and then. Graham certainly enjoy

758
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: the game on Saturday night. I appreciate the time. I'm

759
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: not going to say go bucks, I'm not going to

760
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: go that far for you. I want to see Indiana

761
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: win this game. But we shall see what happens. But

762
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. As always.

763
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 6: That sounds good.

764
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 7: We'll loop back next week and still.

765
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. Graham ray Hall joining us, Java

766
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line that's a pretty good

767
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: breakdown though about Ohio State, their corners, crossing patterns, et cetera.

768
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Big Ten, there is the other sport

769
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: that is played within it, and it was played last

770
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: night at a very high level. I'll look back at

771
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: what undoubtedly to be as the best team in the

772
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: country and what happened last night. We'll get to that next, Eddie.

773
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: I'd like for you to if you could close your

774
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: eyes for me, all right, I want you to think

775
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: about your fresh year at Decatur Central High School?

776
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that would have been what school year, what calendar year,

777
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, the twenty thirteen year, the fall of twenty thirteen,

778
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: or the fall of twenty twelve. Right, it had been

779
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: the fall of Let's see, I graduated in seventeen, so

780
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: so the fall of thirteen.

781
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: Yes, you rode the bus, your mom drove you, You

782
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: had a neighbor of the book grive you to school,

783
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: rode the bus. Okay, wants you to tell me when

784
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: you think about that, what song? What music goes through

785
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: your mind as the soundtrack reminiscent reminding you of your

786
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: freshman year of high school. Because it was everywhere and

787
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: everybody was playing it, nobody loved it and nobody was

788
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: talking about it. What song would that be.

789
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 4: That I don't know.

790
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: There's a handful, like you almost name any Drake song

791
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: from the early twenty tens, and that's probably a fitting response.

792
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: Or that Black Beatles song when everyone was doing like

793
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: the Ana Can Challenge.

794
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. Now, So for me, I

795
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: was a freshman and my sister was a senior at

796
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: North Central, so I rode to school with her and

797
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: she had the Nxcess Kick cassette tape and that song

798
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: that you just played every time I hear it, that's

799
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: immediately where I go with it. In the fall of

800
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, that album and that song was absolutely everywhere.

801
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: Eighty seven was a good year in college basketball for

802
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: the Purdue Boilermakers. It was part of their three peet

803
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: Of course, Indiana in the national title, but Purdue was

804
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: right there with Everett Stevens, Troy Lewis, Todd Mitchell. That

805
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: group part of the triplets that won three straight Big

806
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: Ten titles. And that is where Purdue is now in

807
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: terms of being in the upper echelon. It goes without

808
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: saying in the top of the Big Ten last night

809
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: playing in Rutgers and what jumped out at me last

810
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: night about that game and about this team. This is,

811
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: by all account, one of the deepest teams in college basketball.

812
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: And I've mentioned that many times because they can beat you,

813
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: they can play so many different ways. They can chameleon

814
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: a bit. Last night, just as the game was about

815
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: to start, I met up with Bruce Kidd. And Bruce

816
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: is a north Side guy and a Purdue guy, went

817
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: to Purdue and a Purdue fan, played basketball in high school.

818
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: And a heart of gold. You know, Secretariat, They say,

819
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: after Secretariat was finally put down as a horse, they

820
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: went and saw that his heart was like two and

821
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: a half times the size of a normal horse. And

822
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: Bruce Kidd, you know, I'm not saying that we need

823
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: to put him down in check.

824
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: Our Secretariat is the grinches of a horse.

825
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: What's that?

826
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: The grinch of the horses?

827
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, the grinch. Did he did have a

828
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: big heart, didn't he?

829
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: Well?

830
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: At first? And then there's two sizes too small? And

831
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: then it that's right?

832
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, No, Bruce is Bruce is the opposite of

833
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: the Grench. And I'll tell you he's got a heart

834
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: two and a half times the size of most because

835
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: he does every year an event that is a concerts

836
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: for a Cause that raises money for different charities. And

837
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: I want to thank Bruce once again because he called

838
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: me yesterday and said, you know what, I came up

839
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: with a couple more checks for both Firefly and there

840
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: are still six hundred plus children that need to be

841
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: sponsored for their Hope for the holidays. But he gave

842
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: me a check for Firefly as well as a check

843
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: for the women and Children's shelter at Wheeler Mission. And

844
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: I thank him so much for that and for Concerts

845
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: for a Cause as well. And it was my honor

846
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: and pleasure to deliver those checks for him. But Bruce

847
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: was saying to me as the Purdue game was starting, Jake,

848
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: they might be the deepest team in college basketball, and

849
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: I said, I totally agree with you. But what's interesting

850
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: is last night only nine guys I say only, but

851
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: nine guys play. They didn't go deep into their bench

852
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: in terms of rotation and minutes for guys. But when

853
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: you get a guy like Jakari Harris that is coming

854
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: off of the bench gives you twenty minutes of quality minutes,

855
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: but is shooting the outside three and it's going down

856
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: for him, and now all of a sudden, even though

857
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: you know what you got a Fletcher Lawyer, and you

858
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: know what you have in Braden Smith who hit four

859
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: threes last night. But when you've got guys that are

860
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: coming off the bench and other teams don't know who

861
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: and where it's going to be, that's what makes them

862
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: so dangerous. I also thought last night Daniel Jacobson, who

863
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: was hurt last year, and you know Oscar Kloff has

864
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: clearly slid in and really played at a high level

865
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: at the center position. And what he was, you know,

866
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: reputed to be coming in is what he has been,

867
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: and that is a low block, rebounding, defensive type player.

868
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 1: Not a lot of rebounds last night. But Trey Kauf

869
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Monarenz picks up that slack. So no matter where you

870
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: think that you've got it stopped, if there's an area

871
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: of strength for Purdue, there's somebody else that picks up

872
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: that slack. And that's what you saw last night. I

873
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: think Jacobson played well defensively. I thought Ren was really

874
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: good on the boards, and I thought Harris knocking down

875
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: those threes shows that you just never know where it's

876
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: coming from, and that's what makes them so good and

877
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: so dangerous. But more on that, and from the football side,

878
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: what could be happening to Purdue in terms of the

879
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: trains for portal because and for that matter, the coaching standpoint,

880
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: So both sides of it from Purdue will do it

881
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: with Sam King from Lafayette. Next one o'clock hour underway

882
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. For that matter, the one o'clock hour is

883
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: underway everywhere in the Eastern time zone. How are you?

884
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: My name is Jake Querry Eddie Garrison the other voice

885
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: you hear on this program. We call it Querry and Company.

886
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: It took a staff of hundreds to come up with

887
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: such the creative name for the show. And thank you

888
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: to Graham Ray Hall joining us just about an hour

889
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: or so ago, thirty five minutes ago or so. A

890
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: really good breakdown. I know Graham is an Indy car driver,

891
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: but his ability to kind of break down Ohio state

892
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: and Indiana from the football standpoint pretty good stuff. And

893
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: the other side of things when it comes to the

894
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: state of Indiana and football and for that matter, basketball,

895
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the number one team in the

896
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: land in Ohio State or some would say Indiana in football.

897
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: The number one in the land in basketball we were

898
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: just talking about is Purdue. And then on the opposite

899
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: side of the way things are going from a football standpoint,

900
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, Purdue is a program football wise that is

901
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: in the process of trying to do a rebuild. Today

902
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: is national signing day for that. Then you also get

903
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: the transfer portal is opened up. Wanted to just kind

904
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: of cover all of it. So Sam King joins us

905
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: now on the Java House Peel and Port guest line.

906
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: They have several Java House locations in Lafayette by the way, Eddie,

907
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: just so you know, Lafayette Journal and Courier where Sam works. Sam,

908
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: how are you man? Happy holidays?

909
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 9: I'm doing well. I'm staying busy right now, as you

910
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 9: mentioned the number one basketball team, and then it's been

911
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 9: a busy day on the football front. So you know,

912
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 9: based on some of these guys who have flip commitments today,

913
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 9: it's been a good past twenty four hours for produ fans.

914
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's get to that. I want to start

915
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: with the football side of things, and let's just simply

916
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: go with exactly that I do. I think odom when

917
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: he was brought in from UNLV, you know, and I

918
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: talked to some people about it that watched his teams

919
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: at UNLV, and obviously he was not there a long time.

920
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: But one of the things about him with a scouting

921
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: report was, look, this is a team that at least

922
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: they may not be able to accumulate the most talent

923
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: right away because when he was acquired, but they are

924
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: going to be disciplined and they're going to play hard.

925
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: Now it seemed like some of that might have gotten

926
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: away a little bit towards the end of the year.

927
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: But I do like him, and I do believe in

928
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: the direction. But you got to have players right Where

929
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: do things stand right now in terms of who may

930
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: be out and then what may be coming in.

931
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, so Produer's had two players already announced their intend

932
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 9: to enter the transfer portal, not surprisingly, two guys who

933
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 9: didn't play a lot this season. So that's typically the

934
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 9: first ones who start looking at other opportunities.

935
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 4: But you're absolutely right.

936
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 9: I don't think coaching was the cause for what happened

937
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 9: this season with Purdue. It was more talent based and

938
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 9: pretty was just, you know, at a talent mismatch most

939
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 9: games and still was pretty competitive and I would say

940
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 9: like nine out of twelve games this year. So that

941
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 9: was a step in the right direction. And I know

942
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 9: it's a wind boss thing, but I thought there was

943
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 9: a lot of improvement. And now you have a whole

944
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 9: year to develop relationships, hopefully retain some of the guys

945
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 9: you want to and then attack the transfer portal and

946
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 9: the high school recruiting class. And that's where today comes in. Already,

947
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 9: Purdue has got a commitment from Jet Goldsberry Southern and Indiana.

948
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 9: He's a legacy kid who was committed to Ole Myths.

949
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 9: I'm sure Lane Kiffin, the Lane Kiffin saga played into

950
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 9: this a little bit, but that's a huge get for

951
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 9: Purdue to get an in state kid who was highly

952
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 9: recruited and flip the top recruit in Kentucky who was

953
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 9: verbally committed to Louisville. So not a defensive tackle and

954
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 9: a safety right there. That when you're talking about a

955
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 9: defense that allowed thirty two points a game this season,

956
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 9: that's a good starting point. Get some big time of

957
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 9: creats that come in and hopefully change that.

958
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: What do you anticipate in terms sam of transfer portal?

959
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: You know the percent of players that may still be

960
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: departing the Purdue program, or do you think that there

961
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: is enough buy in of, look, I want to be

962
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: here to try to build this thing.

963
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 9: Towards the end of the year, he started to see

964
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 9: some guys fall out of the rotation and some other

965
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 9: guys who were younger start getting more reps. And I

966
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 9: think that that was with the future in mind a

967
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 9: little bit. Now, Purdue will say it was putting the

968
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 9: best product on the field to try to win every Saturday,

969
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 9: and sometimes that's true, but also when you're in a

970
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 9: situation that Purdue was in this year, you do have

971
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 9: to think about moving forward. So I do think that

972
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 9: there will be probably more retention than people would think

973
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 9: from a two and ten team because the guys that

974
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 9: they brought in the portal last year, and there were

975
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 9: a ton of them. I think it was eighty new

976
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 9: players overall, between the funning class and transfers. A lot

977
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 9: of those guys were bought in with the mind that, hey,

978
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 9: if you get sophomores out of the portal, that's almost

979
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 9: as good as game a high school kid if you

980
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 9: can develop them for three years. And I imagine that

981
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 9: that was the plan. And now moving forward, you have

982
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 9: a lot of the same guys who now have a

983
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 9: your experience under their belt.

984
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: When you look stylistically, Sam, and then we'll get to

985
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: basketball here in a second, Sam King, my guest Lafayett

986
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: Journal and Courier covers Purdue athletics for them on the

987
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line. Sam, when you

988
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: look stylistically at Purdue, you know, and this is maybe

989
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: the danger of branding or reputation, but I think of

990
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: college football today as a fast, in space game, and

991
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: I think of Purdue and the way that they played,

992
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: and in particular, what what Odum maybe did at UNLV

993
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: is a more grind out, smash mouth game can produce

994
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: stylistically compete in the Big Ten if they master that

995
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: style and don't become more of the in space speed

996
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: team or am I selling them short altogether?

997
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 9: I mean, I guess time will tell is the cop

998
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 9: out answer there. But you know, there's several ways to

999
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 9: win a football game, and I think because of what

1000
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 9: Purdue had this year, it had to try to slow

1001
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 9: games down and grind it out and make the games

1002
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 9: shorter for the other team's weapons. So that might be

1003
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 9: what played a little bit into you know, running as

1004
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 9: much as Purdue did and now is blacking running backs

1005
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 9: right now, So they're gonna have to find some help

1006
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 9: there to think about that style moving forward. But we

1007
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 9: also saw the offense pull out some things out of

1008
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 9: the back of tricks. You think back to Notre Dame

1009
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 9: where Devin Mackabie through a touchdown pass to Ryan Brown,

1010
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 9: very conventional, but something that had been worked on and

1011
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 9: didn't work in practice, it sounds like, but it came

1012
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 9: through in a game setting and produce run some other

1013
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 9: trick plays throughout the course of the year. So I think,

1014
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 9: you know, it's going to adapt to whatever kind of

1015
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 9: playmakers it has, and this year, just with the makeup

1016
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 9: of the team, I think it felt like his best

1017
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 9: interest was trying to just, you know, keep the other

1018
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 9: team's offense off the field as much as possible.

1019
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: Do you feel at this point, Sam, from a basketball standpoint,

1020
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: Matt Painter is not afraid to play anybody. And you know,

1021
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: Purdue in terms of their schedule when it comes to

1022
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: selection Sunday, they're going to have a chock full of

1023
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: you know on the left side where they show you know,

1024
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: quality wins. They are got a lot of them already.

1025
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: But do you feel that Purdue offensively has a versatility

1026
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: about them where they can play different games depending on

1027
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: who the opponent is or are they more this is

1028
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: how we're going to play. We do it better than anybody.

1029
00:52:58,600 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Come and beat us if you can.

1030
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 9: No, this team has more variety and versatility than I

1031
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 9: think any team that Matt Painters had, just when you

1032
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 9: think of all of the different options available, and you

1033
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 9: have the flexibility now with Trey Coffman Wren back at

1034
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 9: the forth that he can move back and play center

1035
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 9: against smaller lineups and things of that sort. And Oma

1036
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 9: Mayer has proven to be capable point guard, by the way,

1037
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 9: so you've kind of seen some mix where he's won

1038
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 9: the point and Braden Smith's been kind of the two

1039
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 9: guard or curling off screens and things like that. There's

1040
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 9: a lot of different options here. Now you've got to

1041
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 9: think of the big men as pastors a little bit too.

1042
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 9: We've seen a Kaufman Wren lobbing over the top. You know,

1043
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 9: he's had that short push shot a lot last year

1044
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 9: that sometimes now he's dropping that over the top for

1045
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 9: Elio dunks, for Daniel Jacobson or Oscar cluff just a

1046
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 9: ton of flexibility, and you're right. The schedule that pretty

1047
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 9: played plays this year, I guess is all with March

1048
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 9: in mind, and I think that it's going to be

1049
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 9: as well tested as you can be. And I've seen

1050
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 9: everything you want to see when you get to the postseason.

1051
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 1: Was last night the glass Let me rephrase that was

1052
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: last night the high bar exception for Jakari Harris? Or

1053
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: is this realistically who he can be for them? In

1054
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: spot rolls over the course of the year. A guy

1055
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: that comes in and plays, you know, half the minutes

1056
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: off the bench, hits a couple of threes and gets

1057
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: into double digits. Can they anticipate that on the regular.

1058
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 9: I think this is more of what Jakari Harris was

1059
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 9: going to be this year. I thought over the summer,

1060
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 9: I thought Jakari Harris was produce most improved player and

1061
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 9: honestly thought he had a chance to be a starter.

1062
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 4: CJ.

1063
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 9: Cox obviously looks a distinction, but you have to think

1064
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 9: of CJ. Cox Carri Harris. In some ways, it's kind

1065
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 9: of like one player, what do they give you combined

1066
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 9: and some knights it's going to be CJ.

1067
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 4: Cox's night.

1068
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 9: We saw against Memphis and the Bahamas. So night's going

1069
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 9: to be Jakari Harris's night as it was last night,

1070
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 9: and I think you roll with whichever guy is hitting

1071
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 9: shots or playing better at the time for what you need.

1072
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 9: But yeah, Jacuriy Harris is going to be a guy

1073
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 9: who probably ends up at some point in his career

1074
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 9: averaging double figures.

1075
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 4: And he's a.

1076
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 9: Much improved three point shooter. People think of him last

1077
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 9: year as more of a lockdown perimeter defender, but I

1078
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 9: think he has a lot of offensive style to his game.

1079
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 9: Two that can help Purdue just adds more depth to

1080
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 9: an already deep team.

1081
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: Boiler Makers already with a big ten win. They did

1082
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: that last night at Rutgers. Now back Saturday, out of

1083
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: conference and a big one. It is Iowa State coming

1084
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: up for a noon start this weekend. Sam King will

1085
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: have all of it covered for the Lafayette Journal and Courier.

1086
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: Sam appreciate the time as always, Man, look forward to.

1087
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 9: Talking to you again absolutely anytime.

1088
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: I'd Sam King joining us on the Java House Peel

1089
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: and poor guest line. That's the thing, Eddie that's to

1090
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: me about Purdue. I mean, you look at it, Okay,

1091
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: you start out and you go and you play at

1092
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: Alabama top ten team. You go and you play in

1093
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: a tournament, you go against Texas Tech and you blow

1094
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: them off the floor. And at that time, Texas Tech

1095
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: basically top ten team and I think reputed to be

1096
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: going into the year. You go and you start conference

1097
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: play on the road. Then you step right back out

1098
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: of that and you take on Iowa State top ten team,

1099
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: you play Minnesota, then you go back out of the

1100
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: conference again and you play Marquette. Now we saw with

1101
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: Indiana Marquette team that really is trying to find out

1102
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: who they are and I think Shaka Smart's kind of

1103
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: reassembling things there. Then you go right back out of

1104
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: that and you go against Auburn and yeah, Auburn's a

1105
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: little different than what we thought they were going to be,

1106
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: but still top twenty team. You know, tons of length,

1107
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: tons of pace, going to challenge you in a lot

1108
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: of ways. Then you go back and play take on

1109
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: Kent State. Then you get back into the conference again.

1110
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they're you know, when we talk to Elliott

1111
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: Bloom and you can see it. It is just going

1112
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: to pay such dividends for Purdue of by the time

1113
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: the big Ten rolls around when other teams in the

1114
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: Big Ten, and there's going to be somebody in the

1115
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: Big Ten that is going to exceed expectation in particular

1116
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: early in the in the league, whether it be a

1117
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: USC or you know, obviously Michigan's outstanding, right, maybe it's

1118
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: Indiana to be hot, Michigan State. Michigan State is very good, yes,

1119
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: but you know, maybe it's Indiana that comes in and

1120
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: is just hanging around. But at some point you get

1121
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: into that extra buckle on the belt level point of

1122
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: the season, and for Purdue it's going to be like, yeah,

1123
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: that was November December. This this is nothing. Now. They

1124
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: are so battle tested and they already are this particular group.

1125
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean the number of games those guys have played

1126
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: together with any team. You say, barring injury, and you

1127
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: hate saying that about Perdue because of what that means

1128
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: to the Purdue fan base, which I totally understand and respect,

1129
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: But barring injury, there is no reason, no reason to

1130
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: think this is not the team that is playing right

1131
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: back here again in Indianapolis for the Final four, and

1132
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: that would be awesome. That'll be special at the final

1133
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: fours here in indian produce and that'll be outstanding. And

1134
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, hey, who knows Indiana can make a run. Butler,

1135
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: Butler's playing well. I mean, we had a lot of

1136
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: good teams in the area, a lot of them Pacers

1137
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: and Action tonight taking on the Denver Nuggets. Jokicch I

1138
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: think he's gonna play, right, Eddie?

1139
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah. I haven't seen anything that says

1140
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: that he won't play.

1141
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: I know he's been bad on what a rist issue

1142
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 1: if you that is correct, but he has played. He's

1143
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: been probable for basically every game this year.

1144
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: If you look at the Pacers and you do you

1145
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: know Eddie Garrison is the radio producer for the Pacers

1146
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: broadcast with Mark Boyle and Pat Boiling and Edie Gill

1147
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: and Eddie Gill this particular team and Eddie White. That's

1148
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: the post game right, Yeah. Do you smell the cigars

1149
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: when he comes in here? Briefly there's always a faint

1150
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: smelled kind of faint smell goes away.

1151
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: The roster itself. You know, my twenty twenty five guy. Yes,

1152
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: I came up with a new term. I introduced it

1153
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: yesterday on the show. I don't know if you caught it.

1154
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: Or not. Okay, the empty calorie guy, Yes, did you

1155
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: like that one? It's okay.

1156
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: Empty calorie guy in the NBA is a guy that

1157
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: you bring him onto your roster and you think, oh,

1158
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: this guy's actually like a pretty decent player, and then

1159
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: you realize he's empty calories. You just need calories of

1160
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form to because you're hungry, but

1161
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: it does nothing to offer you any nutritional value, and

1162
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: it is not something that is going to assist and

1163
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: help your body beyond that meal. Mayc Obaston was an

1164
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: empty calories guy. The Pacers found themselves in a situation

1165
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: after the brawl. They were down on numbers. Masio Bastin's available,

1166
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: let's get them boom. Ike diagu was an empty calories guy.

1167
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: Goes out logs your minutes gets you eight to ten points,

1168
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: and then you look back retroactively and you go that

1169
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: guy was only on the floor because somebody had to

1170
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: be out there. Okay, this team sitting at four and seventeen,

1171
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: and they're oddly entertaining for four and seventeen.

1172
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,479
Speaker 2: Depending on the night. That's for sure.

1173
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to carry their water. I'm not trying

1174
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: to And last year I mean, look, I I will

1175
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: forever be grateful for that. And an open disclaimer, I'm

1176
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: a Pacers fan. I admit it. I admit it, but

1177
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: I'd like to think I still have my objectivity about it.

1178
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: I just grew up my buddies and I They were

1179
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: such a part of who we are and who we

1180
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: were growing up, and I want to see them do well.

1181
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: And last year during the finals, I was like, you

1182
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna I'm gonna let the world

1183
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: know it. I'm gonna step out of the phone booth

1184
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: and guess what. I'm Jake Quarry Pace fan.

1185
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1186
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: Sure, but with all of that, this group, it would

1187
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: be one thing if they were going out there and

1188
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, you got no topping, you got Nie Smith's out,

1189
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: you got all these injuries and whatever else. You'd say,

1190
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: this is a bunch of empty calorie guys who cares.

1191
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't care. Wake me up next year, call me

1192
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: Green Day, and call this year September, wake me up

1193
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: when it ends right. But they actually compete. They go

1194
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: out and play pretty hard. They they hit a wall

1195
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: just because they don't have you know, the breakthrough. I mean,

1196
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: Siakam has been really good and Jarris Walker has a

1197
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: man is he what's that up and down? Yes? And

1198
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: when the up is up, you see it and you

1199
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: go okay. But then he goes out a night like

1200
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: the other night where he's over five from three point

1201
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: range and you know, his body is so unique and

1202
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: the game slowed down for him a little bit, and

1203
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: he does do some intangibles that are very intriguing and

1204
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: very enticing. But you really want between Jerris Walker, Isaiah Jackson,

1205
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: and probably Ben Shepherd. For those three guys, this is

1206
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: a silver platter being handed to them of here is

1207
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: opportunity now with that when you look at guys on

1208
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: this roster that are new faces that we were previously unfamiliar,

1209
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: Jay Huff, Garrison Matthews who they just brought in obviously

1210
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: on a hardship. Yeah, Ethan Thompson that he is he

1211
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: a two way or ten day guy.

1212
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: Two way? They waved way j Dennis I do they

1213
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 2: waved him to a two way and.

1214
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: Then Jeremiah Robinson earl of those guys, are there any

1215
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,959
Speaker 1: and Taylon Peter is a guy that was drafted late

1216
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: two way guy, kind of a Ben Shepherd type player.

1217
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: Are there any of those guys Eddie that you look

1218
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: at and you say, that's more than an empty calories guy.

1219
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: That's a guy that I think may actually have a

1220
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: long term spot within this franchise once they are back

1221
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: at the health level of where we expect them to be.

1222
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: Which of those guys, if any, do you think could

1223
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: actually stick around long enough where you're like, you know what,

1224
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: there might be a spot there.

1225
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 2: I would have to say Jeremiah Robinson Earle.

1226
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: I would tend to agree with that.

1227
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: Not a great shooter, but his length defensively and his

1228
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: activity defensively in his rebounding, I think are three things

1229
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 2: that they need.

1230
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: His rebounding I would agree with that. In particular, he.

1231
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: He looks like he could be yes like that eleven,

1232
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen guy that can give you emergency minutes on

1233
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: a legitimate everybody healthy foundation team, right, And he's the

1234
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 2: one guy that through this I think you can look

1235
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: at and go, you know what, maybe there is that

1236
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: found ten dollars bill when you're doing your laundry.

1237
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 9: Now.

1238
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: Jay Huff is the other one. I do like Jay

1239
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: Huff and when they I think that we had I

1240
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: always say players sometimes are unfairly evaluated based on how

1241
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: or where or why they were acquired, and in Jay

1242
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: Huff's situation, because he was acquired shortly after the Miles

1243
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: Turner departure, automatically, in your mind you go, that's Miles

1244
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: Turner's replacement.

1245
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 2: Well that, and you look at the whole analytical aspect

1246
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 2: of a jac of people were like, you know, you

1247
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: look at Jay Huff and you're like a per thirty

1248
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: six minutes he was averaging, you know, similar statistics to Miles.

1249
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: Turner, and he can shoot from the outside and whatever else,

1250
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: and then you realize that there is a much more

1251
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: defined minute ceiling with Jay Huff. However, right now you're

1252
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: playing him, you're starting him. He's hitting like five threes

1253
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: to start every game, and you're up fifteen to ten,

1254
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: and everybody gets excited, Oh, oh my gosh, this guy's

1255
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: going for sixteen and then he ends up with seventeen.

1256
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: But I'm being facetious, but you get my point. But

1257
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: he does have the ability to shoot from the outside,

1258
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: and he is very active defensively around the rim and

1259
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: can irritate some things. Now, he doesn't have the lower

1260
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: body physicality body control that Miles Turner has, and so

1261
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: he can't be as physical on the regular on anything

1262
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: other than leaping up last minute two block shots will

1263
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: protect Rim and that he does get pushed out of

1264
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: the lane a little bit. Those things there are some

1265
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: you're giving up a little bit there. But and Isaiah

1266
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: Jackson is the guy that I thought was going to

1267
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: be far more active in terms of like being their

1268
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: starter and being their guy. And Jay Huff has kind

1269
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: of moved in front of Jackson on that depth chart.

1270
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: But I do think, and I'm going to go back

1271
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: to what I said yesterday, ultimately I believe that whoever

1272
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: becomes once Tyre's Halliburton is back a year from now,

1273
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: and it's probably going to be a year from now

1274
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: before we really see him going twenty five games in

1275
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: before you get a real idea where his achilles is

1276
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,439
Speaker 1: in what he is. But once you get Halliburton back,

1277
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: and once you have Nie Smith healthy and Toppen is back,

1278
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about a year from now, literally a

1279
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: calendar year from now. In that scenario, it is my

1280
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 1: belief still that the player that is the replacement for

1281
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: Miles Turner in the core group that we saw that

1282
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: became within a half of winning the NBA title. The

1283
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: replacement for Miles Turner right now is playing elsewhere, and

1284
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: he's not playing in college. He's playing in the NBA.

1285
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: And that player, I think will then be spelled in

1286
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: minutes by the combination of Jay Huff and then Isaiah Jackson,

1287
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: who may be spelling minutes at the four as well.

1288
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: And I think that that player is facilitated via a

1289
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: trade that involves Bennedict Matheren before the trade deadline. At

1290
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: no fault of Benicmatherins, but I think if Matheren is

1291
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: a guy that was going to entice you into the

1292
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: fact of we've got to maintain this guy no matter

1293
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: what happens, I think he would have been showing it more.

1294
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: And I know he was hurt, but he would have

1295
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 1: been showing it more consistently to this point than he has.

1296
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: But back into the Colts, they have a new guy

1297
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and it meant that they bypassed

1298
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: a guy with which you might be far more familiar

1299
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: the reasoning on all of it. Next, speaking of this song, Eddie,

1300
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: if you factor in whether sports calendar, what's around the

1301
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: corner or around you know, next on the horizon on

1302
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: the calendar and schedule, birthdays, sunset and sunrise times, all

1303
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: things factored. And we take May out of it because

1304
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: I am going to do you the civic favor in

1305
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: this town of telling you that when you're asked this

1306
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: question publicly on airwaves in Indianapolis, your answer has to

1307
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: be May. So I'm taking May out of it. The

1308
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison best month of the year is what September?

1309
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: I think it's way up there right. Well, that's when

1310
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 1: I was born. So, but the the weather's always perfect,

1311
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 1: that's true. College football is getting really into the swing,

1312
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: the NFL is getting into the swing.

1313
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 2: Post season baseball.

1314
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: Postseason baseball is coming down the stretch. And you also

1315
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 1: know that you have because October is around the corner.

1316
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: But October isn't depressing like November and December are, right

1317
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: in terms of weather. Yeah, so September is really high

1318
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: on the list. June and July are pretty tough to

1319
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: beat though. I mean it's hot and human and that

1320
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: kind of sucks. But being out at nine thirty at

1321
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: night in daylight is pretty awesome. But that fits into

1322
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: my wheelhouse. So the Colts have a new kicker. This

1323
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: we know. We knew this yesterday. We had a pretty

1324
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 1: good idea who it was going to be, because we

1325
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: talked about this player yesterday, Blake Groopie, And I'm again

1326
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed, and I apologize to fans of the Fighting

1327
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: Irish that I had forgotten that, despite starting his career

1328
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: at Arkansas State, that he had played his last year

1329
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: of college football with Notre Dame with Brian Mason.

1330
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: What's that familiarity with Brian?

1331
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: By the way, I parked somewhat illegally in the parking

1332
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: building today and one of our engineers is peering his

1333
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: head in.

1334
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: Do you think they're towing my car? Is that what

1335
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: he's coming in to tell me?

1336
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1337
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: I didn't see who was who was looking in. Nick's

1338
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: out there looking in any chance you can go find

1339
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 2: out to make sure that I'm not getting You're giving

1340
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: me permission to walk away from the board for a

1341
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: second a second, okay, yes, just don't say anything. Well,

1342
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: I need to hit the dumbpip.

1343
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll try not to. Here is the reality the

1344
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: situation has been presented for the Colts of this necessity

1345
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 1: for kicker because Michael Badgeley has missed multiple extra points

1346
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: and I think when it comes down to it, and

1347
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: the kicker position is one that in reality in the

1348
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: NFL there are like four to five it's probably a

1349
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: higher number, but probably a quarter of the franchises have

1350
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: a kicker that's like, that's our guy, and you never

1351
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: think about it. And we got spoiled by that in

1352
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: this town with Vinitari obviously right, and even before that,

1353
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: Vander Jett and Kerry Blanchard both had you know, pro

1354
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: Bowl level consistent years. I mean, vander Jett had as

1355
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: a cult arguably the most prolific and successful season that

1356
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: a kicker ever had. I mean, certainly at that time

1357
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: he did, you know, he made every single kick, and

1358
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: he was the most accurate kicker in the history of

1359
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 1: the league upon the time that he left Indianapolis. But

1360
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: I think what it came down to is twofold. The

1361
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: reason I bring all this up is because Justin Tucker,

1362
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: who is undoubtedly the most successful kicker, if not in

1363
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: league history, certainly of the last half decade in the NFL.

1364
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: It's Justin Tucker in both accuracy, reliability, and more so distance.

1365
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: He is a weapon beyond weapon in the fact that

1366
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: he is what Matt Gay was supposed to be when

1367
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: Matt Gay was signed here and with Chris Ballard, it

1368
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: was yeah, but wait until you see the leg on

1369
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: this guy in the distance from which he can hit kicks,

1370
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: and that is very intriguing and enticing. And Justin Tucker,

1371
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: of course, Eddie has come back in everything.

1372
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: Good. Yeah, you're good. They didn't tell my car right, No, okay, good? No.

1373
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: See. I don't know if people know this or not,

1374
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: but they're doing some construction on one of the floors

1375
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: in our building here and so everything's been condensed to

1376
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: one floor instruction to go with that. Well, you know,

1377
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm being politically correct, and so I had

1378
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: to get creative of my parking spot because it was

1379
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: full when I got here.

1380
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 2: But I thought my spot was okay. But anyway, so

1381
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: back to Justin Tucker.

1382
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker is now completed a ten games suspension from

1383
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Yep, this suspension, and I guess

1384
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of an irony here. On a day

1385
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: when Deshaun Watson was cleared to begin practicing for the

1386
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, Justin Tucker is in discussion. Justin Tucker was

1387
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: suspended ten games by the NFL for allegation of inappropriate

1388
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: behavior and some pretty gross allegations against him when it

1389
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: come to massage therapy and massogyny and sexism and other

1390
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: such things with massage therapists. Now, in the sake of fairness,

1391
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: I would assume that the NFL, by suspending him for

1392
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 1: ten games, that means that the NFL did their own

1393
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: investigation and drew their own conclusions, and that there had

1394
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: to have been some sort of fire with the smoke. However,

1395
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,759
Speaker 1: to be fair, I will point out that Justin Tucker

1396
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: was never criminally nor civilly charged with any allegation. There

1397
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: was never anything that was brought to him in terms

1398
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: of from a legal standpoint, but nonetheless enough that the

1399
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: league deemed it worth penalizing him a ten game suspension,

1400
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,799
Speaker 1: and also the Baltimore Ravens releasing him as a kicker.

1401
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: With all of that, it is enticing. It is intriguing

1402
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: to have a player of that resume, of that skill

1403
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: set available at a position in which you have need.

1404
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: But I go back to something that Tony Dungee said,

1405
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: and the player that Tony Dungee was talking about was

1406
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: Michael Sam and Michael Sam coming into the draft when

1407
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: he was coming out of Missouri a number of years

1408
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: ago was at that time, maybe it still is, I

1409
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: don't recall, but it was a big story in the

1410
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: news because he was the first player to enter the

1411
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: NFL draft having publicly come out of the closet, and

1412
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: while that is inconsequential to his football ability, Tony Dungee

1413
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: somewhat controversially until you really read the fine print of

1414
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: what he said. Tony Dungee said he is not a

1415
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 1: player I would and people automatically jumped on that as

1416
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: some sort of a homophobic statement. What Tony Dungee was

1417
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: saying when you really read the fine print and when

1418
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: he clarified it was it has nothing to do with

1419
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: I have nothing against him as a person in terms

1420
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: of his lifestyle or his away from football choices. But

1421
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 1: because he is the first, because he is a trailblazer,

1422
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: because he is a unique player in a social atmosphere

1423
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: like that, he is going to bring with him a

1424
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: level of fanfare, a level of scrutiny, a level of

1425
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: media attention, a level of analysis that a player of

1426
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,879
Speaker 1: his skill set would normally not bring. And so therefore

1427
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 1: you have to weigh out the amount of extra energy

1428
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: that is brought in by that player versus the energy

1429
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: they bring to the field. And in my opinion, I'm saying,

1430
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee, the energy or the attention or the glare

1431
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: or the focus or the spotlight that is brought by

1432
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: acquiring that player is a greater amount of impact on

1433
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 1: the franchise than that of what he brings on the field. Now,

1434
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 1: if you have a player that has extra baggage or

1435
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,919
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's baggage, extra glare, extra focus, extra spotlight,

1436
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: extra conversation, whatever it might be, if you have a

1437
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: player that brings all of that to the table. Aaron

1438
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: Rodgers is a good example. Aaron Rodgers, for like five

1439
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 1: years now, has been NonStop drama. You know, if you

1440
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 1: acquire Aaron Rodgers that on his off day, he's going

1441
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 1: to be doing national talk shows and he's going to

1442
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: be sitting there throwing out like weird conspiracy theories and

1443
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: talk about getting coffee enemas and all kinds of weird,

1444
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: whacked out stuff right probably on Peyoti at the time,

1445
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: who knows, And you got the personal life of like,

1446
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't like this guy, that guy, whatever

1447
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 1: it might be. But Aaron Rodgers is a phenomenally talented

1448
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: football player, and Aaron Rodgers maybe up to this point

1449
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: and maybe those scales are now a little bit different,

1450
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: but Aaron Rodgers for a long time brought with him

1451
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: enough football acumen that it was worth all of the

1452
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 1: additional glare in spotlight and focus and in the case

1453
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: of Justin Tucker, a phenomenal kicker. Clearly, the Colts looked

1454
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: at this and said, look, we have an offense that

1455
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,480
Speaker 1: is scoring more points still to this day than anybody

1456
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: this season in the National Football League, and we score

1457
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: a lot of touchdowns, and we're gonna need a guy

1458
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: that can simply hit extra points. We don't need Steph

1459
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: Curry hitting threes from the logo all the time. We

1460
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: just need somebody that can hit the occasional free throw

1461
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,919
Speaker 1: for us. And Blake Groupi, in terms of his career

1462
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: when he was with the New Orleans Saints, notably okay

1463
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: with the Saints from a field goal kicking standpoint seventy

1464
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: five to ninety four, nearly eighty percent from an extra

1465
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: point standpoint eighty six of eighty eight. So he Michael

1466
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: badgely since being acquired by the Colts, has missed more

1467
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: extra points than has Groupie in three years as a

1468
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: kicker for the Saints.

1469
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, but this guy this year talk about a Groupie

1470
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 2: eighteen of twenty six on field goals. So like, you

1471
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 2: gave up a guy from missing three extra points, but

1472
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: he hadn't missed a field goal, right understood for a guy.

1473
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: But I think he's missed one field goal.

1474
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: I think for Chris Ballard though, it comes down to

1475
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: make the layups. Make the layups. But and I get

1476
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 1: here was justin Tucker there and there was need. I

1477
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: just think the extra stuff it would have been too much.

1478
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. And the other part of this too

1479
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 2: is that even though he is one of the greatest,

1480
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 2: greatest kickers of all time, if you just look at

1481
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 2: his past three seasons, he hasn't been the Hall of

1482
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 2: Fame resume guy that he was for the first you

1483
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: know whatever, it was ten years of his career. If

1484
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 2: he's sixteen of thirty beyond fifty yards and in the

1485
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: last three seasons that he killed, how old is Tucker?

1486
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: He was born eighty nine, so he is thirty six, Okay,

1487
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 2: just turned thirty six.

1488
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: I mean granted, for you know, George Blanda was kicking

1489
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,599
Speaker 1: when he was seventy four years old? Not literally, but yeah,

1490
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: how old was Venetaria? But Vinitary though, you know, Vanitary

1491
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: is another interesting one because how old was Vinitary when

1492
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: he retired?

1493
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 2: Is he forty two? I don't think he's ever officially retired,

1494
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: but I mean, you know what I mean, when he

1495
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: quit playing forty two?

1496
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: I think is right? Right?

1497
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was four two.

1498
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: And well, Vinitary had to have officially retired because isn't

1499
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: he now eligible for the Hall of Fame?

1500
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't.

1501
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that means he had to have filed his paper.

1502
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: But yes, but Vinitary, you gotta admit, I mean goes

1503
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,640
Speaker 1: without saying, the greatest kicker to do it right, But

1504
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: when he fell off a cliff, he fell off a cliff.

1505
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: Man, so he vanit Terry was born in seventy two?

1506
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: Is finally year was seven? Yeah? Forty six or forty seven?

1507
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 2: He had depending on when his birth was? December twenty eighth,

1508
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 2: Is it really? I always thought that would be the

1509
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 2: biggest buzzkill ever? Or New Year's.

1510
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, nears be rough. Wouldn't it be terrible?

1511
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 6: Though?

1512
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 1: To have your birthday December twenty fourth or twenty fifth.

1513
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean you get to share it with the greatest

1514
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: that's good. But other than that, you know what I mean?

1515
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1516
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean you know everybody'd be like, now, here's your

1517
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: gift now, just so you know, that's both birthday and Christmas?

1518
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 2: Okay? Thanks?

1519
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:21,679
Speaker 1: When's your birthday? September?

1520
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 2: What twenty fourth? Did you ever celebrate a half birthday

1521
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: when you're a kid? No, My half birth depends on

1522
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: who you ask. My dad's birthday is my half birthday?

1523
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: Is it?

1524
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 4: Really?

1525
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1526
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: Okay, meaning your birthday is his half birthday? Right?

1527
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:34,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1528
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 1: Stephanie McComb my half birthday. Every year on her birthday,

1529
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: I wish her a happy birthday and she says, oh, well,

1530
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: how do you remember I said it's my half birthday.

1531
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: And then she says to me half birth which is

1532
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 1: half a happy birthday.

1533
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 2: See how I did that? Yeah?

1534
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: Joel Erics, you're going to join us about forty five.

1535
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: We'll get the latest on what's going on West fifty sixth.

1536
01:20:55,439 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 1: This from AJ at two nine ten. Appreciate the texting

1537
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: in what you just said about comparing Justin Tucker to

1538
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: Michael sam As just utter bunk. It's bull Justin Tucker

1539
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: abused women, he had any charges brought against them, because

1540
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: these cases oftentimes are hard to charge in a civil court.

1541
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: The NFL clearly, as you said, found something wrong. Justin

1542
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: Tucker's a scumbag. I think we both agree with that.

1543
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: I agree with that.

1544
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 2: Yes.

1545
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,879
Speaker 1: As for Michael Sam by your own definition, Jackie Robinson,

1546
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: I guess shouldn't have been highed because he was a

1547
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: distraction as well. Again, AJ and I appreciate. I think

1548
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: AJ and I probably in terms of the you know,

1549
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: the condemning Justin Tucker and at the same time applauding

1550
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: Michael Sam. You know, I was not comparing the two.

1551
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: I was simply saying I was using the comparison of

1552
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: Tony Dungee, and it was the Michael Sam situation was

1553
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: simply the time where that the thought process of an

1554
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: analysis of a player that is a marginal roster player

1555
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: having weighing in the media scrutiny that comes with it,

1556
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: be it fair or unfair, just or unjust. That was

1557
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: the first time that I had heard an executive or

1558
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 1: a coach, or somebody who has the power to know

1559
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: and make those decisions admit that those things do factor

1560
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,799
Speaker 1: in and in the current in the term of Justin Tucker.

1561
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 1: To AJ's point, because of the fact that there were

1562
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: no charges brought against him, it does become more difficult

1563
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: to utilize that as the reasoning. But he is a

1564
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: in terms of the craft, he's a very good or

1565
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: has been a very good player. And I would think

1566
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: I was simply saying the first time that I was

1567
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: made aware that. Yes, in fact, outwardly a team would say,

1568
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: scrutiny above and beyond the statistics is something that we

1569
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: factor and in the case of Justin Tucker, I believe

1570
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: it is something that is factored. This from Nick on

1571
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: the text line, Jake is right about Jay Huff. He's

1572
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: only a change up in the off the bench. He

1573
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,480
Speaker 1: can't get more than that, and then he gets exposed.

1574
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: I think Jars Walker is not very good. They should

1575
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: have traded him by now. This from Matt Hey, Jake

1576
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: or Eddie. Do you think the Colts may kick the

1577
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: tires on Darius Slay? And with all the talk of

1578
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: the Daniel Jones injury, did anybody say how Jones was injured?

1579
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: That has never been answered how it was injured. I

1580
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: believe he first showed up on the injury report if

1581
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken the week of the Kansas City game, right.

1582
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 2: That is correct? Yeah, wasn't on the report Wednesday, then

1583
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 2: was listed on the report on Thursday.

1584
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: Now as for Slay, I don't know. I'm in a

1585
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 1: mid thirties corner. I don't know because Sausgarter's that going on? Ir.

1586
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: I think you roll with what you got, right.

1587
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 2: Just play Jalen Jones. Try to watch Makai Blackman Jalen Jones,

1588
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: I like, I don't get what he's done to be

1589
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 2: in like the quote unquote doghouse because even back to camp,

1590
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: like I understand he wasn't healthy during can't just the

1591
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 2: fact that they couldn't see him for a lot of

1592
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 2: that time, right maybe? But even still they as soon

1593
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 2: as they signed in Xavi and Howard off the street,

1594
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: who hadn't played in over a year, ZAVII and Howard

1595
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 2: was listed as a starter over over Jalen Jones immediately

1596
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 2: without he even taking a snap in practice.

1597
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: But I'm with you on I think at this point

1598
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 1: because Gardner, Gardner's gonna miss, I would put it at

1599
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 1: three games.

1600
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 4: Now.

1601
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: If it gets beyond that, then you start getting curious

1602
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: about it, and it is easy to start to then

1603
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 1: analyze like what they gave up for him, et cetera,

1604
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: and you forget like, look, this is there is a

1605
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 1: long term vision here. You know, he's got a lot

1606
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: of money attached to him that they have agreed to

1607
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 1: take upon. So it's not like he's going anywhere anytime fast.

1608
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. By the way, do you

1609
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 2: find it odd not to totally switch subjects here, but

1610
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 2: how Diego Pavia went from not even being mentioned in

1611
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 2: the top three for the Heisman to now he's you know,

1612
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 2: neck and neck in the race with Fernando Mendoza and

1613
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 2: Julian Sand.

1614
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: I have an answer on that, and Jeremi reasoning for that,

1615
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 1: I follow aneasoning for that. I'll tell you next. So, Eddie,

1616
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: if you could please repeat for me the question you

1617
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: asked just before we took our two o'clock recess there.

1618
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 2: So last week, when you looked at the Heisman odds,

1619
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: it was clearly a two man race between Julian Sand,

1620
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 2: quarterback of Ohio State. I used quarterback Fernando Mendoza, and

1621
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 2: then lurking in the background, the best player in college

1622
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 2: football in my opinion, Jeremiah Love was number three, nobody

1623
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 2: was talking about Diego Pavia, about a Heisman finalist, that

1624
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 2: he should be there in New York, and all of

1625
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: a sudden, if you look at the odds, there's been

1626
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 2: a major change. It's like neck and neck now between

1627
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 2: Mendoza saying and Pavia.

1628
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: A couple of things come into play here number one,

1629
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: and I'm being very facetious. We should have a sarcasm

1630
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 1: meter alert, because sometimes I think people can't realize or

1631
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,759
Speaker 1: recognize or hear the sarcasm under which I speak sometimes

1632
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 1: and depending.

1633
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 2: On which book you look at, Jake Mendoza is the favorite,

1634
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 2: and then it's Diego Pavia and now Julian Sanna. And

1635
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 2: even though if you go based off of last week

1636
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 2: performances alone, like you look at Mendoza, he didn't look

1637
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: great against Purdue and agreed, Julian Sanna looks fantastic against Michigan.

1638
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: You think he did look fantastic.

1639
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he looked good.

1640
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 1: I think a couple of things factor in, the first

1641
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: of which is my sarcasm. In terms of Pavia and

1642
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,839
Speaker 1: discussion about him for the Heisman, there was a picture

1643
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: that went semi viral over the weekend. Did you happen

1644
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: to see it. I did not. His mom was at

1645
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: the game wearing a huge a shirt that in huge

1646
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: letters says Pavia for Heisman with Vanderbilt on it, and

1647
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: at one point the television cameras caught a glimpse of

1648
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: her kind of leaning over the railing in her shirt.

1649
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 1: I have not seen a lot of her, but at

1650
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: least in the images that went semiviral of her wearing

1651
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: the shirt. She's an attractive woman. And all of a sudden,

1652
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 1: literally that image I think went so viral that it

1653
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: was like, why not this guy for the heisman? Right?

1654
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: Are you looking at the photo?

1655
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm seeing a video.

1656
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: And in the video your thoughts I think she's, Ah,

1657
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: it's not aj Mccaerron girlfriend level, like what's going on here?

1658
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: But it's up there right now? It is what's going

1659
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: on here?

1660
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, you're a mom and I don't know

1661
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 2: how old she is, but she's actually she's still in college.

1662
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: Well I got news for you, Eddie. I mean, don't

1663
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: even get me started on half the people that I

1664
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 1: know that I went to college with that are like

1665
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they're shutting down upstairs pub

1666
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 1: at three in the morning. And I'm like, what are

1667
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: we doing? You're fifty.

1668
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: Don't you remember when you were in college you looked

1669
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 2: around anybody over thirty.

1670
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: Like, who's the old guy who turned this into arp?

1671
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: But I digress. I think the bigger factor is this. Okay,

1672
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: and I have voted for the Heisman once. Now I

1673
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting yesterday. What's app you have? Yes,

1674
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: I was a Heisman voter in the two thousand season.

1675
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: Maybe would you like to guess who I voted for?

1676
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, Jake, I was barely two years old, so I

1677
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 2: need to go look at the ballot first and foremost.

1678
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: I will tell you the exact year, okay, the year

1679
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 1: that I was a Heisman voter, and I don't recall

1680
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: the reason why I was granted. It was the two

1681
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: thousand Heisman year.

1682
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm looking at the voting. People around here are

1683
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 2: not going to be happy, probably with me, if I'm

1684
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 2: not mistaken.

1685
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 1: Who were the final five? The top five?

1686
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: Chris say the last name from PRIs Waki, thank you,

1687
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 2: Josh Heipel, Drew Brees, Ladanian, Tomlinson, Damian Anderson, and then

1688
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 2: there was Michael Vick, Santana Moss and that's about it.

1689
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: Some pretty good players on that list.

1690
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 2: Yes, some other names. I can't say that. I'm even

1691
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 2: going to try.

1692
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: I was, to be fair, I was covering the Big

1693
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: eight at that time. I was not covering the Big ten,

1694
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: so I did not see Perdue on the regular Do

1695
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 1: you want to guess which of those I covered or

1696
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: I voted for?

1697
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Where were you at the time in two thousand.

1698
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 1: Saint Louis, I was a credentialed coverer of the University

1699
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: of Missouri.

1700
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,839
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess you're gonna you voted for uh Ladanian Tomlins.

1701
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 1: That is correct, that is who I voted for. But

1702
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: there are a number of things that come into play

1703
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: here on the Heisman. I think because you had so

1704
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 1: much discussion about Mendoza and saying going into the holiday weekend,

1705
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: and by the holiday weekend, I mean, people were It's Thanksgiving,

1706
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: people are watching games everybody knows about. You know, you

1707
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 1: got Indiana Purdue on a Friday night, prime time cable

1708
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: t or non cable television. Then you've got obviously Michigan

1709
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: Ohio State, huge game. And for Indiana, what hurt Mendoza?

1710
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna give you what helps and what hurt him?

1711
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: What hurt him was, to your point, he did not

1712
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 1: have a game that jumped out at you. You watched it,

1713
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:56,679
Speaker 1: and you know, he kind of went through the motions

1714
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: and they absolutely annihilated Purdue. Probably didn't help him if

1715
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: people were even still tuned in that late that his

1716
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 1: replacement came in and immediately ripped off like a fifty

1717
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: eight yard run or whatever, and it's like, man, but

1718
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 1: his brother, Yeah, well, I mean I understand that, but

1719
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying to a voter that lives out Albuquerque, you

1720
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, So there is that factor

1721
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: for Mendoza, the body of work over the course of

1722
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: the year, the statistics, the touchdown to interception ratio, and

1723
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: again the thing that helps him the most. Most Heisman

1724
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: winners have at some point. It's just like I say,

1725
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: when you watch a movie. When you watch a movie

1726
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: and some actor or performer has a signature moment and

1727
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 1: and you know that you're watching greatness and acting, and

1728
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:50,799
Speaker 1: you say to yourself that right there, that's the clip

1729
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 1: when they introduce it as one of the nominees for

1730
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: the Oscars that they're going to use. That's the moment.

1731
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: And in the Heisman tip, there is a play that

1732
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: you go, you see it, and you go, that's it.

1733
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: That's the play they're going to use. And for Mendoza,

1734
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: it was that play against Penn State. Even though it

1735
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal catch, it was that play against Penn State.

1736
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: I think a little of what hurt Mendoza.

1737
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 2: It's not your fault, will it's not your fault.

1738
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: Right right. I think of what hurt Mendoza a little

1739
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: bit is and I get why it happened, but they're

1740
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: very clearly was a campaign by Indiana to get him

1741
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: out front and foremost to as many people as possible,

1742
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: and get him on programs and get him on talk shows,

1743
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,480
Speaker 1: and get him everywhere. I'm talking from a national standpoint,

1744
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: and start promoting his Heisman balloting during the bye week.

1745
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: And there might be a little fatigue that kicked in

1746
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: with that, But that's the plus and the minus of

1747
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: his campaign. The other thing, by the way, the other

1748
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: plus that really helps Mendoza, and I think personally this

1749
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 1: might be what tips the scale for him is the

1750
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: fact that he played previously in the Pac ten. Now

1751
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: I realize calls an acc school, but he played in

1752
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: the Pac ten. Voters on the West Coast and I

1753
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: know now UCLA and USC is the big ten, and

1754
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: you know that's the West. But voters throughout the West

1755
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: Coast have seen him play and are aware of him

1756
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 1: and likely followed what he was doing to Indiana, so

1757
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 1: he blankets if this were an election. He has campaigned

1758
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: in a larger part of the country and is more

1759
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 1: known to constituents in a larger base and footprint with

1760
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: more states than others. Now Julian saying, wonderful player came

1761
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: into a situation like Mendoza transferred, So people at Alabama

1762
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: perhaps are familiar with him, but they didn't see him

1763
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: play a lot Alabama obviously, but he goes to Ohio

1764
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: State and has had an unbelievable year. But what was

1765
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 1: the storyline in the Michigan game, Eddie, What was the

1766
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: national storyline about Ohio State other than Ohio State hasn't

1767
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: beaten Michigan in a number of years. What was the

1768
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: big storyline? The big storyline from a personnel standpoint for

1769
01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: Ohio State going into that game on Thanksgiving weekend was

1770
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: they get their top two receivers back. They have two

1771
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: of the best receivers in the country, the two best

1772
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: receivers that Jeremiah Smith and what he can do, and

1773
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 1: the fact that they got two guys and all you

1774
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 1: kept hearing about was Sunday level receivers, Sunday level receivers,

1775
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: stretch receivers, guys that can get themselves open, guys in space.

1776
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: And so there was so much discussion about the talent

1777
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: level of who he was throwing to that it then,

1778
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 1: even though he has been unbelievable and I'm taking nothing

1779
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: away from Ohio State fans want to immediately hear something

1780
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: and goes shoon, you guys a hater on a high state.

1781
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm saying, pardon the pun that

1782
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: with Julian saying be it fair or not. He gets

1783
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 1: demerited a little bit by the fact that he is

1784
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: throwing to and I'm not saying Mendoza doesn't have good receivers,

1785
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: but not to the level of what Ohio State has.

1786
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:24,280
Speaker 2: I heard it Joey Galloway and Kirk Kirbstreet talking about

1787
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 2: this in the Heisman race, and Joey Galloway asked Kirk

1788
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 2: Kirkstreet who's the best player in Ohio State and he

1789
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 2: said Caleb Downs, yes, and then he goes, Okay, who's

1790
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: number two? He goes, is it Jeremiah Smith? He goes,

1791
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 2: you could say that, or you could say Carnell Tate,

1792
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 2: like and he's like, see what you're doing. It's like, exactly,

1793
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 2: You've got Julian saying here, and what you're doing is

1794
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 2: you're pushing him down.

1795
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 1: Correct.

1796
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 2: That is exactly correct. It goes back to kind of

1797
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 2: like the whole CJ. Strout thing too, when he was

1798
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 2: coming out of the draft and like people were questioning

1799
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 2: whether or not how good he was as a quarterback

1800
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 2: just because of the fact that he was throwing to

1801
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 2: a Mecca Buca. He was throwing to Jackson Smith and Jigba,

1802
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior, Jeremiah Smith, like he was throwing to

1803
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 2: all of these dudes that.

1804
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 1: Are NFL ready type of players. And listen, Eddie, this

1805
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: is what has hurt. In my opinion, there are two things,

1806
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: speaking of Ohio State football, two things that really hurt

1807
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. One of them was getting air dropped into

1808
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: the Urban Meyer fiasco as a rookie, because I think

1809
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: the rookie yar is so important for a player. But

1810
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: more so, I think one of the things that and

1811
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before. When you are a quarterback at

1812
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 1: the college level, Trevor Lawrence in college was throwing to

1813
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, think about it, right, he's throwing to t Higgins,

1814
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 1: He's throwing to Justin Ross, he's throwing to out of

1815
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: the backfield of Travis etn He's throwing the guys that

1816
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: are all playing on Sundays. Wayne Golman was there as well.

1817
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,719
Speaker 1: Who's a good player, right, another NFL guy. But when

1818
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,880
Speaker 1: you are throwing the guys that have window, was Sammy

1819
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: Watkins there with him? No, Watkins was Taj Boyd was

1820
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: before him. But when you're throwing the guys that have window, okay,

1821
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: then you don't have your you don't have to learn timing.

1822
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 1: It's just boom And I think that, And I'm not

1823
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 1: in Julian saying. I'm not saying he hasn't had to

1824
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: learn timing, but not like he's going to have to

1825
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:21,720
Speaker 1: learn in the NFL. You know, goes back to the

1826
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning line with Tom Moore when Tom Moore said

1827
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,680
Speaker 1: why didn't you throw that ball? And Peyton Manning said, well,

1828
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: there wasn't a window there, and Tom Moore said, there

1829
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: was an NFL window. You got to get out of ten.

1830
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: You're not in Tennessee anymore. It's the same thing, but

1831
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: for Julian saying, who's a wonderful player. But I think

1832
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: during that Michigan game, people watched that and what they

1833
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: heard was that talk about those receivers so much that

1834
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: then it became well, I don't know. And then people

1835
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:53,600
Speaker 1: started to ask themselves, Okay, if Mendoza isn't playing and

1836
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: starting for Indiana, how many games do they still win?

1837
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: And while the answer to that is probably eight, then

1838
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: they see on national television Fernando Mendoza being taken out

1839
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: late in the third, early in the fourth quarter, and

1840
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: his little brother coming in and immediately making plays, and

1841
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 1: it's like, gosh, maybe a system guy. With saying because

1842
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: of all that talk, They're like, gosh, maybe a system guy.

1843
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: So then you naturally say to yourselves what other offerings

1844
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 1: are on the menu? Vanderbilt Vanderbilt football? Who's what? What

1845
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: do I know about Vanderbilt football? Leonard Coleman, defensive back,

1846
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: Indianapolis coach, draft pick, first one in Indianapolis in nineteen

1847
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: eighty four. That's what I know about Vanderbilt football. I

1848
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: know that Aaron E. Smith played basketball there, and I

1849
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 1: know that like Jerry Stackhouse coach there, and I know

1850
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 1: that Barry Goheen and will Perdue be Indiana ninety seven there.

1851
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 2: But that's about all I know about Vanderbilt football. But

1852
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 2: yet Vanderbilt, Wow, vanderb butl look at Vanderbilt. They're ranked

1853
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 2: there in the playoff conversation, and they've got this quarterback

1854
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 2: that make that's this gutsy, gritty guy that makes play.

1855
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 1: Maybe I shoul and take a look at that. And

1856
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 1: then you also fall back to the team that is

1857
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,959
Speaker 1: on national television. And I realize everybody's on national television,

1858
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 1: but in terms of prioritize national television, game and running

1859
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:17,439
Speaker 1: backs and breakaway runs still salivate you and sell tickets

1860
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, and Jeremiah Love does that. So I

1861
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: think people started looking beyond then Okay, these two guys,

1862
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 1: they both have excellent opportunity to show me why they're

1863
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 1: the guy. And instead that was well, actually we're going

1864
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: to do that next week in the Big Ten championship game. Now,

1865
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 1: if one of those two guys, saying or Mendoza goes

1866
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,600
Speaker 1: out because Vanderbilts, now idol, right, they're done, right, Yeah,

1867
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 1: notre Dame's done. Those guys got to sit and wait.

1868
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:51,599
Speaker 1: So now you've got to you watch, and you see

1869
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 1: what those two guys do. If one of these two guys,

1870
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: and I actually believe that Saying has the better opportunity

1871
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,679
Speaker 1: this than does Mendoza, but if one of them goes

1872
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: out and has a game where they complete eighty percent

1873
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: of their passes for two eighty five or more and

1874
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 1: more than two touchdowns, they probably are going to cement themselves.

1875
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: I love love the Heisman trophy, love it. Love it.

1876
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:19,800
Speaker 2: The other aspect too, Like there's a little bit like

1877
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 2: the Johnny Manziel, like the the party guy in Diego Poveya.

1878
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 2: It became so you know, entertaining for fans. You know,

1879
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 2: he's hanging out with Theo Vaughn, He's hanging out with

1880
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, all these other famous people. He's you know,

1881
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 2: blowing up all over TikTok and doing all these different things.

1882
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: And I haven't done this in a while, Eddie, But

1883
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: do you show how much I love the Heisman. I

1884
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 1: haven't done this in a while. I've done this with

1885
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 1: any five hundred winners. Okay, can you pull up for

1886
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 1: me please A list of Heisman Trophy winners.

1887
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, while I do that, I also want to share that. Uh.

1888
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti has now gone back to back as the

1889
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 2: Big Ten Coach of the Year.

1890
01:40:52,600 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: Do we have the breaking newshoutter news in the Big Ten, Eddie?

1891
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 1: Would you like to share it please?

1892
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1893
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 2: Kirk Signetti has been named as the Hayes Schlimbecker Coach

1894
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 2: of the Year and Dave McLean Coach of the Year.

1895
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: Okay, congratulations to church Signette. Do you have the list

1896
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 1: of Heisman Trophy winners?

1897
01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 4: I do.

1898
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:16,479
Speaker 1: I was born in nineteen seventy two. Okay, we can

1899
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 1: go a couple of years before that or whatever. Give

1900
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 1: me a year off the top of your head.

1901
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 2: I'll let you just go, Jake, wherever you want to

1902
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:24,080
Speaker 2: start with you wanting to start in the euro was

1903
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 2: born seventy two, Sure, why not?

1904
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with seventy two as Johnny Rodgers

1905
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,720
Speaker 1: Nebraska right, seventy three, John Cappallletti seventy four to seventy five,

1906
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: Archie grip In seventy six, seventy seven, ear Old Campbell

1907
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 1: seventy eight, Billy Simms eight seventy nine, Charles White eighty,

1908
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 1: George Rogers, eighty one, Marcus Allin eighty two, herschel Walker

1909
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 1: eighty three, micro Zier eighty four, Doug Fluty eighty five,

1910
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 1: Bo Jackson eighty six minute test and Verty eighty seven

1911
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 1: to ten Brown eighty eight, Barry Sanders eighty nine. Andre

1912
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 1: Ware should have been Anthony Thompson ninety Tigh Deptmer ninety one,

1913
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: g Desmond Howard ninety two, Gino Toretta ninety three. Now

1914
01:41:55,120 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 1: it gets foggy Charlie Ward ninety four with Shaun SALAMYEP

1915
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: ninety five, Eddie George Dandy warvial YEP ninety seven, Ron

1916
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: Dayne No, give me the school for ninety seven Michigan,

1917
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 1: Charles Woodson ninety eight, Rondaine No oh ninety oh, gosh,

1918
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: I would have thought ninety seven ninety eight was give

1919
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 1: you the school Texas. Ricky Williams Man all right ninety nine,

1920
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 1: rondayne yes, two thousand, Chris Wankie. Then it gets real

1921
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 1: Murky one school Nebraska. Oh that's uh Frost No, Eric Crouch, yes, yeah, yeah, okay,

1922
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 1: two school usc Trojans see. Then it gets you get

1923
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 1: into Carson Palmer. Then later you get Linered in there.

1924
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: Regids vacated.

1925
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,519
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush was so five. Has it now been given

1926
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 2: back to me? I think it was given back to him. Yeah,

1927
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 2: So those are four nine, five, Liner and Bush. Three.

1928
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 2: Oklahoma quarterback Josh Heipel No Jason White, Yes, I see

1929
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 2: we got unfortunately, we got into this era where it

1930
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 2: simply was just going to the quarterback of the best team.

1931
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:15,599
Speaker 2: I mean, in no world was Jason White the best

1932
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 2: player in college football that year?

1933
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 1: Right? Or Eric Crouch for that matter. He had a

1934
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: good year, but no way. Anyway, when I was a kid,

1935
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: I loved the Heisman clearly, right, Yeah, Bo Jackson, I

1936
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:31,879
Speaker 1: do know this, Bo Jackson in eighty five closest Heisman

1937
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:33,560
Speaker 1: balloting ever. Do you want to guess who was the

1938
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 1: runner up that year? If you get this right, I

1939
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: will give you one million dollars.

1940
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 2: Is this having the genie coming out? Do you have?

1941
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 1: Do you hear did you hear a noise?

1942
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 2: By the way, I didn't hear a noise by a

1943
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 2: small breeze, just out of curiosity in fact, and it's

1944
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 2: not a bottle that he came out of because the

1945
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 2: Java it was one of the peel and poor pods

1946
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 2: from Java house.

1947
01:43:57,400 --> 01:44:01,360
Speaker 8: Idio is correct, I loved the Columbia. I particularly enjoyed

1948
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 8: the query bundle from the fan oh jobs dot com

1949
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:08,599
Speaker 8: with my twenty five percent off. Yeah, that's correct, Robin,

1950
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 8: Robin the Genie has a question for you, Eddie.

1951
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Robin, what's your question? Eddie?

1952
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 8: If you can tell me with Bud Jackson won the

1953
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 8: closest Heisman balloting of all time in nineteen eighty five

1954
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,799
Speaker 8: for one million dollars, can you tell me the Iowa

1955
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 8: quarterback that year that was the runner up?

1956
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 2: I wish I could, but I cheated. Did you look

1957
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 2: it up? I did? It is not long rather or

1958
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 2: is not short rather?

1959
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:36,679
Speaker 1: But long?

1960
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 2: Correct?

1961
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1962
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:40,639
Speaker 2: And I believe we had a metiareologist meteorologist in town.

1963
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's meteorologist, but he worked at WTHR.

1964
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:48,160
Speaker 2: That would be Chuck Loft.

1965
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:48,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1966
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 2: But this is Chuck Long of Iowa.

1967
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chuck Long of Iowa, the runner up in the

1968
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: closest balloting of all time for.

1969
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:55,960
Speaker 2: The Heisman Trophy.

1970
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 1: Pacers and Actions not taking on the Denver nuckets. Do

1971
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: we have word yet, Eddie on the status of the

1972
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 1: Joker probable?

1973
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:08,719
Speaker 2: That's all it is, is yokitch is probable for tonight.

1974
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray questionable. He is dealing with a sprained right ankle.

1975
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:17,679
Speaker 2: The Nuggets will be without Julian Strather and Aaron Gordon,

1976
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 2: as well as Christian not to be confused with Christian Braun.

1977
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:22,439
Speaker 2: Christian Brown.

1978
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:26,719
Speaker 1: Christian Brown has something in common with that Vanderbilt quarterback.

1979
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: And I would put Jackson dart And as well. Who

1980
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,519
Speaker 1: was the BYU quarterback that the Jets took that was

1981
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:40,640
Speaker 1: a disaster. Huh Wilson, Zach Wilson, those guys all have

1982
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 1: something in common. Are you familiar with this?

1983
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 2: Well, considering you looped in uh Pavia from earlier, considering

1984
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 2: the nature of you know, Zach Wilson, I think I

1985
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 2: know where you're going with this, Jake, I think I

1986
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:55,719
Speaker 2: know where you're going.

1987
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,759
Speaker 1: I'm looking up to me. I'm going on I'm strictly

1988
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 1: going off of memory with Christian Brown, who had played

1989
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 1: at Kansas and was drafted by the Denver Nuggets. But

1990
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: I think I'm correct in this. Can you google and

1991
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:09,719
Speaker 1: confirm whether or not I'm correct?

1992
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 2: Okay, what am I googling?

1993
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 1: Does he have something in common with the others? And

1994
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 1: this is how you know I'm a guy in my

1995
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: mid fifties when it comes to sports, right.

1996
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 2: And it's not going to get to you in trouble

1997
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 2: with Shannon.

1998
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:25,800
Speaker 1: No, they have attractive mothers.

1999
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I believe Christian Brown does as well. Right,

2000
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find a photo. I just the Google

2001
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 2: search tells me that I'm correct. Joel Erickson will save

2002
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 2: us and will save us mercifully, and he will do

2003
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:44,559
Speaker 2: so with the latest from West fifty six. Next.

2004
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: So, I'm going to be at Binkley's at five o'clock tonight.

2005
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:52,360
Speaker 2: Right, five to seven, apparently Jake five.

2006
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:56,600
Speaker 1: Until seven as part of Mick Ultra, come out, do

2007
01:46:56,640 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 1: a little Papa shot, and then after that I'll be

2008
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 1: heading out of the Pacer game. I think I know

2009
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to the game. But five pm Bankley's tonight.

2010
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 1: I love Bankley's awesome place. Look forward to seeing everybody

2011
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: there for that. So are you a good Papa shot guy, Eddie?

2012
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

2013
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that up. By the way, You're welcome.

2014
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: Joela Ericson joins us now on the Java House Peeling

2015
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:30,679
Speaker 1: Port guest line. Joel, A you a good Papa shot guy.

2016
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 6: I'm excellent. I'm an excellent player.

2017
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean that was not even a hesitation.

2018
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 6: Now, the last time, the last time that we were

2019
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 6: in an arcade with my kids, they got mad at

2020
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 6: me because we got to the end and I had

2021
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 6: way more tickets than them because I just kept doing

2022
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 6: the Papa shot.

2023
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.

2024
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: Do you do the moving papa shot or just the

2025
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:57,600
Speaker 1: standard papa shot.

2026
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 6: Both? Usually there's just like one papa thing in there,

2027
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 6: so you're kind of at the mercy of whatever the

2028
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:07,000
Speaker 6: arcade wanted to put in.

2029
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 1: There, because there are times, you know, they have the

2030
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 1: Papa shots where the goal is moving back and forth,

2031
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what it seemed like Michael Bagley

2032
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 1: was looking at in terms of extra points, right.

2033
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really is, because, like you know, you ask

2034
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:25,120
Speaker 6: the question whenever a guy's missing extra points, like is

2035
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 6: there anything specific? And at one point Brian Mason said, well,

2036
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:30,640
Speaker 6: he missed the first one left and he missed the

2037
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 6: second one right, so no, they're not the they're not

2038
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 6: the same. And then this last one and he kind

2039
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 6: of just slammed, kind of like when you pull your

2040
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 6: driver and you don't you don't look it, you just

2041
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,879
Speaker 6: pull it directly down the fairway into a tree.

2042
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 2: I know that feeling all too well.

2043
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:54,559
Speaker 1: Let's get to this, Joel. It's unfortunate because the kicker

2044
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: is a relatively unless you have an elite one, it

2045
01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 1: can be kind of an interchangeable position. And it's it's

2046
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 1: only noteworthy when you make a kicking change late in

2047
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 1: the year, when I shouldn't say it's only noteworthy when,

2048
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: but it becomes more noteworthy when one of the greatest

2049
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 1: kickers in the history of the game is a guy

2050
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 1: that you brought in and you decided not to go with.

2051
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 1: And I had forgotten about this, and I want you

2052
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:16,719
Speaker 1: to tell me if you think this was a factor.

2053
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker is a guy that has been a very,

2054
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:22,439
Speaker 1: very good kicker in the National Football League. Undoubtedly, he

2055
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 1: was never criminally nor civilly charged with allegations of inappropriate

2056
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: behavior with massage therapists and sexual harassment. Essentially, he was

2057
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 1: never charged with that, but the NFL did their own

2058
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 1: investigation suspended him ten games. Do you believe and I

2059
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 1: would totally understand and support this, but do you believe

2060
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts being led by an ownership group of

2061
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 1: women factored into why he was not signed?

2062
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:50,680
Speaker 9: No?

2063
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,519
Speaker 6: Real I really don't know if because the thing is like,

2064
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 6: I would think that in that case, if it played

2065
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 6: a role in him not being I would have thought

2066
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 6: that he wouldn't even bring him into the tryout, you know,

2067
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 6: if it was if the stance was that strong against

2068
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 6: you know, the allegations at sixteen it's not therapist in

2069
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 6: the Baltimore area made, I would thought you wouldn't have

2070
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 6: brought him in for the tryout. I really don't have

2071
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:23,680
Speaker 6: any necessarily any thought of or answer to go on

2072
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 6: based on prior history of whether or not that would

2073
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:28,880
Speaker 6: have played a role.

2074
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 1: With the kicker that they end up going up with.

2075
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 1: What can you tell us about him? Blake Groupie, he's got.

2076
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 6: A bigger leg than Michael Bagley. The idea that like

2077
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 6: he's you know, he's a guy who's kicked I think

2078
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 6: either fifteen or sixteen kicks that he's made from fifteen

2079
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 6: plus yards now, he's missed the trade off years that

2080
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 6: he's missed a significant amount of field goals in his

2081
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 6: career too, especially this season. But he does have a

2082
01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 6: bigger leg coming into this year. I think he was

2083
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:04,760
Speaker 6: supposed to be the Saints franchise kicker, and I know

2084
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:06,640
Speaker 6: in New Orleans. They were a little bit surprised when

2085
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 6: the Saints who leaves him, not because he was not

2086
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 6: because they thought he was kicking better than the Saints did,

2087
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 6: but just because what did the Saints have to lose

2088
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 6: by keeping a young kicker who's struggling? You know, I

2089
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 6: think I think that the biggest thing the Colts are

2090
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:25,639
Speaker 6: betting on here is just that Brian Mason knows him,

2091
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:30,160
Speaker 6: He's worked with him before in a at a time

2092
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:33,640
Speaker 6: of year when any kicker you bring in is some

2093
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,640
Speaker 6: level of uncertain I think they're kind of betting on

2094
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,560
Speaker 6: that familiarity to kind of get group by back to

2095
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 6: something closer to what he was last year, when he

2096
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 6: was a solid NFL.

2097
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:47,519
Speaker 1: Kicker, Joel, Do we know yet when? Maybe it's irrelevant now,

2098
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:49,800
Speaker 1: I guess, but I guess it could give us indication

2099
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:52,719
Speaker 1: as to how long he's been playing with this and

2100
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:56,000
Speaker 1: what we can anticipate moving forward. Do we know when

2101
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,639
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones got hurt?

2102
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:02,160
Speaker 6: He says that he felt it for the first time

2103
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 6: on that Thursday when he got placed on an injury report.

2104
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,240
Speaker 6: There was an answer where he said something to the

2105
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 6: effect of something that's been hanging around, but he didn't

2106
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:15,719
Speaker 6: really say much more than that. So, yeah, we don't

2107
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,519
Speaker 6: actually know when exactly Daniel Jones got hurt.

2108
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 1: So do you believe that Jones in terms of his maneuverability?

2109
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 1: Have we now seen the ceiling for this year in

2110
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 1: terms of pocket maneuverability and escapability of Daniel Jones?

2111
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:42,799
Speaker 6: I guess my understanding is that the Colts and Jones

2112
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 6: both believe that this can heal well he's playing, And

2113
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 6: I know what that sounds like because in my head,

2114
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 6: how but I don't. Also, I'm also not a I'm

2115
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 6: also not somebody who's ever really dealt with a fractured

2116
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 6: pigular that someone's playing through before. I don't have a

2117
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 6: I don't have a I try to keep like a

2118
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,759
Speaker 6: not necessarily like an actual on my computer or anything,

2119
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 6: but I try to keep a file in my brain

2120
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:11,719
Speaker 6: of injuries that I've covered before the guys have played

2121
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 6: through or didn't play through. I don't remember ever having

2122
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 6: a fibula injury like this, So I don't know. And

2123
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 6: the other thing is like, there's also the piece of

2124
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 6: this where they say, well, they don't think he can

2125
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 6: hurt it worse by playing. That also seems crazy, But

2126
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:31,680
Speaker 6: you know. I don't know, but they would know more

2127
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:32,640
Speaker 6: than I would.

2128
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:35,640
Speaker 1: Joel Erickson is our guest Indianapolis Star is on the

2129
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:37,960
Speaker 1: job of house peel and poor guest line. You're around

2130
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 1: this team, you are, and I know what it's like

2131
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 1: when you're when you're a beat guy. Meaning for those

2132
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: that don't know, and I think most know this by now.

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Speaker 1: You are at every media availability you know, you and

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01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:52,800
Speaker 1: and everybody within the local media here. You are there

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01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 1: on the available days during the course of the week.

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01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 1: You're there after games, you're there before games, et cetera.

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01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 1: Have you seen, in any way, shape or form, any

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01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:10,880
Speaker 1: change of persona or approach or mentality of this team

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01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:15,599
Speaker 1: from now versus a month ago, As things have started

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01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: to get a little bit tighter and the pucker factor

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01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 1: for fans has increased.

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Speaker 6: The the locker room on Sunday felt different than previous losses.

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01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 6: The locker room postgame felt different than previous losses. It

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01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 6: was a little bit more tight. Lip divert willing to

2145
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 6: say as much. But then when when we got there today,

2146
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 6: it felt like to me that that they've bounced back

2147
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:44,839
Speaker 6: for the most part so to what we've seen before

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01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 6: from the team. So if if there, I don't. I

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01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:52,720
Speaker 6: don't think that the the team itself seals the same

2150
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 6: pucker factor that you're talking And that's that's definitely there

2151
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:57,680
Speaker 6: within the fan base. I think, you know, those of

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01:54:57,720 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 6: us who could cover the team are looking at the

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01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 6: schedule and go, well, you guys don't win in Jacksonville,

2154
01:55:03,320 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 6: Seattle's looming after that. You got this difficult schedule. You

2155
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 6: can see how it could go bad really really quickly.

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01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:13,360
Speaker 6: I don't think that the Colts are in the same

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01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:16,879
Speaker 6: are in the same spot. I you know, I actually

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01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 6: was thinking about that today and he was just kind

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01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 6: of saying, like, I think we've all heard this from

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01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 6: really not just football players, but like any athlete. I

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01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 6: feel like anytime they're asked thought, hey, things are going bad,

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01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:31,320
Speaker 6: how do you step back out of it? They always say, like,

2163
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 6: it's just you don't dwell on that stuff. I think

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01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,600
Speaker 6: the hard part for us is you know that as

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01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 6: a fan and as a as a media member like that,

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01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:42,640
Speaker 6: we are we do dwell on that stuff, and so

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01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 6: the idea that you could somehow just fit out of

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01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 6: that and get into your into your preparation is kind

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01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 6: of hard for us to fathom.

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Speaker 1: Joel, Jacksonville is a team that you know down there

2171
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,160
Speaker 1: has been a boogaboo for the Colts. It's been like

2172
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:59,640
Speaker 1: the Bermuda Did you believe in the Bermuda Triangle when

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01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 1: you were a Joel?

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01:56:02,840 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 6: I don't remember if I remember if I believed in

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01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 6: it or not, but I definitely believe that Jacksonville has cursed.

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01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:10,720
Speaker 6: That's the only explanation for some of these results that

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01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:12,440
Speaker 6: have happened over the last however many years.

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01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it is bizarre, right, and yet Jacksonville now

2179
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:19,480
Speaker 1: is starting to almost quietly and you know, without a

2180
01:56:19,480 --> 01:56:23,680
Speaker 1: lot of fanfare to it play better, play more competently.

2181
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:27,440
Speaker 1: What do we know or in terms of talking to

2182
01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 1: the culture Shane Steichen, what do we anticipate out of

2183
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,280
Speaker 1: Jacksonville of what challenges they create?

2184
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:39,040
Speaker 6: Well, I think the biggest one that Colts fans need

2185
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 6: to get their head around right now going into it

2186
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 6: is that their run defense is very, very very good.

2187
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 6: Their first in the league in rushing yards allowed. Their

2188
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 6: yards per carry is not quite the same, but it's

2189
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:55,160
Speaker 6: still eight. I was looking at some of the advanced

2190
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:57,640
Speaker 6: stats on next Gen stats, they're they're close at or

2191
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 6: close to the top. If all of those. The running

2192
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 6: game not really being as efficient or as explosive has

2193
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:08,400
Speaker 6: played a pretty significant role in all three of the

2194
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:10,920
Speaker 6: losses in the last four games. I think that's one thing.

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01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:13,480
Speaker 6: You know, so much of the conversation on this team is,

2196
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 6: you know, just handing to Jonathan Taylor on every play

2197
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:19,120
Speaker 6: and it'll be fine. This is this is just looking

2198
01:57:19,160 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 6: at their statistical profile. This is a game that feels

2199
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:25,800
Speaker 6: like they need to throw and get to Taylor later.

2200
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,080
Speaker 6: So I think that's one thing specifically. They didn't say

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01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:30,200
Speaker 6: that today, but I was. I was. I do my

2202
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 6: game preview that we run on Sundays, I do most

2203
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:36,080
Speaker 6: of it on Tuesday, and I was looking at yesterday

2204
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 6: I was. It just stuck out to me that this

2205
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 6: is a team that, just looking at the numbers you

2206
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 6: throw on you don't run.

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01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:46,360
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that was more prevalent

2208
01:57:46,440 --> 01:57:49,000
Speaker 1: a year ago. And I get it, Jonathan Taylor is

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01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is a potential carry on my

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01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 1: back level running back. I get it, Joel Okay, but

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01:57:58,680 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 1: if I were going to knit pick something offensively, it

2212
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 1: seemed like a year ago they did use more of

2213
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 1: backs aside from Jonathan Taylor, even in like the short

2214
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 1: passing game or just spelling him from time to time,

2215
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 1: or keeping balance within their running game. Have they completely

2216
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 1: abandoned that and if so, does it tell us more

2217
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:24,520
Speaker 1: about Jonathan Taylor, about or about Shane Steichen's belief or

2218
01:58:24,600 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 1: lack thereof in those that are underneath them.

2219
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 6: I I they essentially do play They play Taylor on

2220
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:35,800
Speaker 6: almost every snap, and that's that's not necessar. That's not

2221
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,360
Speaker 6: really common around the NFL. Most teams, even the Eagles

2222
01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 6: with Sakuon Barkley, you see Kenneth Stanwell in the game.

2223
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 6: Sometimes you don't really see that with the Colts. We've

2224
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 6: asked Psychin about that over kind of over two years now,

2225
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:51,680
Speaker 6: and I think it just comes down to you. They

2226
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 6: feel like any carry that you don't give to Jonathan Taylor,

2227
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:57,520
Speaker 6: that might have been the carry that he was going to,

2228
01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:00,600
Speaker 6: you know, do what he did in Berlin and turned

2229
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 6: something that looks like nothing into an eighty three yard touchdown.

2230
01:59:04,240 --> 01:59:06,160
Speaker 6: I think like that's that's kind of what we keep

2231
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 6: getting back from them, is just you know, we've got

2232
01:59:09,120 --> 01:59:11,480
Speaker 6: twenty eight back there, that's who we want to run

2233
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:14,920
Speaker 6: the ball like. They've even you know, kind of I

2234
01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:16,800
Speaker 6: think He's even said that about like, you know, they

2235
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,280
Speaker 6: haven't really run Daniel Jones very much. It's like, well,

2236
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 6: they've got Jonathon Taylor, you want to see him run

2237
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 6: the ball.

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01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:26,720
Speaker 1: Joe. One question that I guess now is the time

2239
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 1: to start looking at it. Somebody asked me this earlier today.

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01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,120
Speaker 1: Think Rakestraw asked me this earlier today. I thought it

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01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:32,960
Speaker 1: was a good question, and I'll pose it to you.

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01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: I've resigned myself to the fact now that and I

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01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 1: think it makes sense when you have Alec Pierce that

2244
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:43,040
Speaker 1: is going into free agency and that's going to be

2245
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,480
Speaker 1: a priority. He's become their number one guy. Adie Mitchell's

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01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,200
Speaker 1: now in New York, so you can't necessarily elevate like

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01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:53,240
Speaker 1: the position each guy a level here. So if they

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01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:57,120
Speaker 1: go and they franchise Daniel Jones, which I think they

2249
01:59:57,160 --> 01:59:59,320
Speaker 1: will do because they want to free up money in

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01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:02,160
Speaker 1: particular for Alec Pierce, you got to address that first.

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Speaker 1: But if they franchise Daniel Jones, does that tell us

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02:00:06,440 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 1: it's because they simply are doing it to give themselves

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02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:13,040
Speaker 1: financial flexibility to shore elsewhere, or is it because they

2254
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: are buying themselves that much more time to figure out

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Speaker 1: whether or not he is the multi year guy.

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Speaker 6: I think the next five games will tell us that.

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02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:24,480
Speaker 6: I think I think that, you know, whatever happens down

2258
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:27,040
Speaker 6: the stretch, he is going to tell us that because

2259
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 6: I know that the cold steel like he has played

2260
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:34,800
Speaker 6: better over this stretch than than the numbers necessarily say

2261
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:35,320
Speaker 6: he has.

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Speaker 10: But I do think, you know, it's impossible to ignore

2263
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:44,200
Speaker 10: the fact that they've lost three or four. You know,

2264
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:49,080
Speaker 10: there were turnovers early, there have been some incompletions later on. Again,

2265
02:00:49,200 --> 02:00:51,200
Speaker 10: I thought, I thought in his last game.

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Speaker 6: He played pretty well, but like it's just the totality

2267
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:57,160
Speaker 6: of the of the four game stretch, there's there's some

2268
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 6: reason for worry. But I really think this last five games,

2269
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:02,840
Speaker 6: whatever happens in his last five games, is going to

2270
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:04,880
Speaker 6: tell us when, if when they make that move to

2271
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:07,360
Speaker 6: franchise Tim, what their intentions might be.

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Speaker 1: Joel A. Ericsson Indianapolis Star, Java House Peel and poor

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02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,120
Speaker 1: guest line. This is by far the most professional interview

2274
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:18,480
Speaker 1: we've done with you. By the way, are you disappointed?

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02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:23,040
Speaker 6: Uh? Well, no, you guys. You guys opened opened the

2276
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,280
Speaker 6: segment by playing in the bumper music was the third

2277
02:01:26,280 --> 02:01:30,200
Speaker 6: down music from when I was at Missouri. So I'm

2278
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,240
Speaker 6: I'm feeling like really good the whole time.

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Speaker 1: And it was that true?

2280
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:35,360
Speaker 2: Was that my intention did not even know that?

2281
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:37,280
Speaker 1: Now? What what song was it? Again?

2282
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:39,560
Speaker 6: Uh?

2283
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:39,400
Speaker 3: Right?

2284
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 6: It's uh is it? Ram jam Is that what it's called?

2285
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,960
Speaker 2: That was Black Betty by Ram Jamson's.

2286
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:50,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, Ram Dams, the band.

2287
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:53,560
Speaker 1: That was in the movie Blow Right, Is that right?

2288
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:55,600
Speaker 6: I think I've only seen blow one.

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02:01:56,400 --> 02:02:01,440
Speaker 1: Okay, well probably in some aspect except that's that's a

2290
02:02:01,480 --> 02:02:04,080
Speaker 1: smart thing. All right, Joel, appreciate it. Man. We'll talk

2291
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:07,960
Speaker 1: to you soon, all right, Joela ericson joining us on

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02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:10,800
Speaker 1: the program JAMV by the way, five o'clock tonight Bankley's.

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Speaker 1: I will be there the Mick Ultra Mini Hoop Challenge.

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Speaker 1: did a year ago, chance to win all kinds of prizes.

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Speaker 1: Would love to see you. I will be there from

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Speaker 1: five until seven, and then headed down to the Fieldhouse

2298
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:26,120
Speaker 1: for the Pacers and Denver Nuggets, hoping to see everybody

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Speaker 1: my favorite things about being tonight at Bankley's for the

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Speaker 1: Mick Ultra Mini Hoops Challenge. If you come out, I

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02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:52,120
Speaker 1: would love to meet everybody first off, but you come

2308
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:57,480
Speaker 1: out from five until seven and partake in basically a

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02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,520
Speaker 1: Papa shot competition, and if you advance to the finals,

2310
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:01,960
Speaker 1: We're going to be doing several of these over the

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02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 1: next couple of months, but the high scores get entered

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Speaker 1: in it's competition. The ultimate prize a trip for two

2313
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:12,280
Speaker 1: to go see the Pacers play in Milwaukee against the

2314
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:15,680
Speaker 1: Bucks later this season. You get to go see Miles Turner.

2315
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:17,640
Speaker 1: But also the best thing about it that is one

2316
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:20,920
Speaker 1: of my favorite cities. And I will give whoever wins that,

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02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:22,440
Speaker 1: I'll give you all kinds of tips on where to

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02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 1: go in Milwaukee and places to go and things to

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Speaker 1: do and stuff. I mean, it's awesome, And all.

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Speaker 2: Of a sudden people just became disinterested.

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02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:30,520
Speaker 1: That you mean that if me and get my tips

2322
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:31,320
Speaker 1: about Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: Well that that may be an endless conversation, Jake, that's

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02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:35,120
Speaker 2: the problem.

2325
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Speaker 1: That's true.

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02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:37,800
Speaker 2: You may go on and on and on and on

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Speaker 2: and on and on.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love It's great city Milwaukee and

2329
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:45,160
Speaker 1: again Pacers and Action tonight taking on the Denver Nuggets

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Speaker 1: and Jokiic. I know, I think jamb said he's going

2331
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:49,760
Speaker 1: to the game as well, just because he wants to

2332
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:52,080
Speaker 1: see Jokic and the way that he plays, and I

2333
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 1: mean he is, boy, it is fascinating watching him because

2334
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:01,120
Speaker 1: he just he looks so low borious the whole time

2335
02:04:01,160 --> 02:04:05,680
Speaker 1: he's playing. Oh yeah, but the effectiveness of what he

2336
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:09,200
Speaker 1: does is remarkable, truly is remarkable.

2337
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:13,720
Speaker 2: So if he's NICOLEA. Jokic and his nickname is the Joker,

2338
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:14,960
Speaker 2: why do we not call him the Yoker?

2339
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 1: It's a great question, Yeah, because I think probably interior

2340
02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:24,560
Speaker 1: of the chicken egg is not as appealing as just

2341
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:27,360
Speaker 1: and you get to play. If it's the Joker, you

2342
02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 1: get to play. You think about the songs you can play, right,

2343
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:32,800
Speaker 1: I guess that's true. I mean you can you can

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Speaker 1: do yourself. The Steve Miller there's you know, okay, photos

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Speaker 1: of from Batman all kinds of stuff, right, The Joker's Batman?

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Speaker 2: Right? Yes?

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Speaker 1: What about the Riddler?

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Speaker 4: Is he?

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Speaker 11: Is he?

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Speaker 1: I'm not up on my comic stuff. Is the Riddler

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Speaker 1: does he work with the the Are they? Is he

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Speaker 1: buddies with the Joker? Are they rivals? Are they rival

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Speaker 1: bad guys? They're both bad guys? Right? Does somebody know this?

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Speaker 1: There's a Penguin too, There's a ping and that works

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Speaker 1: into this, right.

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Speaker 2: Isn't Penguin the sidekick for the Joker?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Then who's the Riddler? James might know? James, do

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Speaker 1: you know the Riddler and the Joker in the world

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Speaker 1: of bad guys? Are they?

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Speaker 2: Are they homies or are they adversaries of one another?

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Speaker 2: You need to have abdual help us out here, That's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean it.

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Speaker 11: Kind of depends on the comic and the uh, I

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Speaker 11: guess the story.

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Speaker 1: In which Okay, so are both of them in a

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Speaker 1: Batman movie? The Joker and Riddler? Are they both in Batman?

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Speaker 11: They are both in Batman. I don't know if they

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Speaker 11: have appeared in a live action Batman movie together?

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Speaker 1: Are they? Let me ask you, so, the Joker and

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Speaker 1: the Riddler like the Joker like the High jinks he's

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Speaker 1: coming up with, right, Is the Riddler helping him out

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Speaker 1: with that? Or is the Riddler working on a different project.

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Speaker 11: So the Riddler, I guess, would sometimes be kind of

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Speaker 11: beneath the Joker, because the Joker is always the main

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Speaker 11: bad guy in a big bad guys story, but they

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Speaker 11: might be helping each other up. But also sometimes so

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Speaker 11: the Niddler is the robin of the Joker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Eddie, how we can figure these things out?

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Speaker 2: But how does Penguin factor into this?

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Speaker 1: He doesn't fly anywhere. That's all we know, A right,

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Speaker 1: that's all I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you see how we're gonna have to deal with

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Speaker 2: every day.

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Speaker 11: That was a very dad pun right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just telling you.

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Speaker 1: Uh, if you watch the Batman movie with Adam West,

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Speaker 1: all the villains ganged up.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise they're all solo dudes and dudets.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I forgot about the sixties Batman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, bam, whamo all that stuff. J ANDV has arrived.

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Speaker 1: The Crossover brought to you by the Good Guys and

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Speaker 1: Love Heating and Air Love dash HBOC dot com. John,

2393
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Speaker 1: do you know the difference between the Joker and the Riddler.

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Speaker 12: The Joker and the makeup and the mask and the

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Speaker 12: question marks.

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Speaker 1: But then the who's the Riddler? Huh, who's the Riddler?

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Speaker 2: The question marks? That's the Ques, That's what we got,

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Speaker 2: the question marks all over him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then who's the and then but they're not?

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Speaker 1: Are they homies the Jokers?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 12: I don't think so. I think that I think that

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02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,040
Speaker 12: they were banded together for all that is evil. But

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Speaker 12: I think that they would stab each other to the

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Speaker 12: back given the opportunity. Yeah, gotcha, all right, fair enough

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Speaker 12: like the penguin too.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I get to be at Bankley's by the way,

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Speaker 1: coming up at five o'clock.

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Speaker 12: That I love Binkleys, Hey give her some love to

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Speaker 12: my friend.

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Speaker 1: I love Binkley's great place, the great place. What's lined

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Speaker 1: up in the big program?

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Speaker 12: Dorocco is going to be on Heredroco will talk Jaguars,

2414
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:22,560
Speaker 12: will talk Colts, and I think Kev's on here a

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Speaker 12: little bit later on a big week tomorrow down to

2416
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Speaker 12: Columbus at the Garage in Columbus at the largeityve Bourban

2417
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:32,760
Speaker 12: locks as Ault, tequila shots, taking a big on the road. Right,

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02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:35,960
Speaker 12: cannot wait? Tie breakers on mass have on Friday never

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Speaker 12: been there before either.

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Speaker 1: That's a new joint you said, right it is. I'm excited,

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Speaker 1: so all rights up next to previewing little Colts. Jaggs,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Derocco has got a great voice from down in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: Will be with them, and we will be back with

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Speaker 1: you at noon tomorrow. I thank you for listening five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Hope to see you out at Bankley. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to Quarry Company.