WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Joe Person Interview 

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody that everybody loves here in Carolina because he gives

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<v Speaker 1>you some amazing freaking Carolina Panther coverage on the regular.

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<v Speaker 1>Read him and the whole great team of writers for

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<v Speaker 1>all sports at The Athletic, theathletic.com. He is The Athletic's

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<v Speaker 1>Panther beat writer, Joe Person. He's nice enough to spend

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes with us today. What's up, Joe? How

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<v Speaker 1>you doing, man?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm old enough to remember when Florio was a regular

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<v Speaker 2>guest of your fine award-winning show. So I'm thinking the

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<v Speaker 2>two of you guys can offer a peace pipe, have

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<v Speaker 2>a fireside chat, do something. Do something to bridge this gap.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right. We could probably play a role.

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<v Speaker 4>In this, Bo.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't have this dividing not only— here but America

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<v Speaker 1>we need to solve this Joe it's a crisis it's

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<v Speaker 1>a crisis Joe I need to ask you you're a

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania dude like I am originally I'm very proud to

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<v Speaker 1>be a Carolinian now for two decades plus but we're

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<v Speaker 1>both from that neck of the woods and then I

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<v Speaker 1>know like you've probably spent your fair amount of time

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<v Speaker 1>going to Philly and stuff you're a big Phillies fan

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that when you go back to Philly

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<v Speaker 1>do you always have to get a cheese steak and

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<v Speaker 1>if so do you have a specific place you go to.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny. I was not able to get

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<v Speaker 2>one this time. I kind of had a quick up

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<v Speaker 2>and back. I sadly had to go to a funeral.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did not get a cheesesteak. I liked to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Reading Market, which I wasn't able to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But my favorite, and I'll make it quick, my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>story involving this was the Panthers were going up there

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<v Speaker 2>for a Monday night game, and I asked Philly Browns.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Philly, where do I need to go for, like,

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<v Speaker 2>where's your go-to cheese steak place? And he wouldn't tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he thought he would be putting me

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<v Speaker 2>in harm's way. I don't think he, I didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>much street cred with Philly. I'll still run into Philly

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes in Charlotte. I'll remind him of that story. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a good, he was a good dude to cover.

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<v Speaker 4>Joe, next time you run into Willie P, I urge you,

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<v Speaker 4>don't talk about cheesesteaks. Just avoid that subject.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very passionate. You'll lose an hour of your life.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got cheese rankings. I urge you, Joe, just step

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<v Speaker 4>away from Willie. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe, do you think, like, let's try your best to work,

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<v Speaker 1>to put a ranking on it. Like, I understand this

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<v Speaker 1>is only for five games for Bryce, six games for

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<v Speaker 1>other quarterbacks, but we were going through the list and

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly believe he's playing and it might be number five,

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<v Speaker 1>but I honestly think he's playing right now at a

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<v Speaker 1>top five QB level. Do you agree with that? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's that good? Would you say top seven,

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<v Speaker 1>top 10? How would you, how would you put it?

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<v Speaker 2>I really can't argue it. I was thinking that this

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<v Speaker 2>morning that it's pretty incredible that, And I know we

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<v Speaker 2>started seeing it at the end of last year, like

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<v Speaker 2>the second half of last season. But even so, to

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<v Speaker 2>do what he's doing after the struggles we saw those

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<v Speaker 2>first few years is just remarkable. And I know we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it, we write about it, and hear the

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<v Speaker 2>Brad Itzik effect in it. It's just so many different

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<v Speaker 2>things that I think are at work. And, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting more pieces around him and his confidence in himself.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's unbelievable, guys. And, again, you're right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's five games, but it doesn't feel like a mirage.

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<v Speaker 2>It just does not feel fluky. There will be better

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<v Speaker 2>defenses that they'll face. But guess what? That one Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't bad. the Eagles linebackers aren't great, but, but they're,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're front four, especially in those interior guys, Jordan Davis,

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Carr, like they're really good. And, and they're, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Eagles secondary is pretty good. And, and, and Bryce said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you've talked about like it wasn't his best day.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's still look at the stats at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. And he's over a 90 passer rating,

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<v Speaker 2>280 yards, two touchdowns, and he protected the ball. So,

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's been fun to watch him just take this huge,

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<v Speaker 2>huge step in year four. And it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be kind of cool to see what

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<v Speaker 2>he does with these, you know, like. The Green Bay

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<v Speaker 2>defense is good. Obviously, the Denver defense is good. Those

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be fun chess matches, and I'm excited

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<v Speaker 2>to cover them.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think the job that Brad Idzik has

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<v Speaker 4>done so far, not just with Bryce, but overall in

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<v Speaker 4>how he's calling these games?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he's been really good. It's been, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know the first couple of games were like, Whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>really kind of top heavy, uh, you know, on, on

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<v Speaker 2>the past game, when's the run game going to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of get come into play. And now we've seen the

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<v Speaker 2>last two games that that's exactly what's happened with, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in the second half of these games, you know, kind of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, but putting these games away on the

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<v Speaker 2>back of Cuba Hubbard and the offensive line when, when

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a lead, but, um, yeah, he's, that's another

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<v Speaker 2>guy that I don't feel like, you know, you, you

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<v Speaker 2>can really overstate his impact. And I just, he's, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I talking to Izzik and talking to Bryce, like there's

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<v Speaker 2>a connection there. Like, and it's not to say Bryce

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have one with canalysis, but let's be honest that

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<v Speaker 2>that relationship was strained from, you know, dating back to

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<v Speaker 2>the benching and, and, You know, I give Canales credit. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>he really took strides to, you know, to, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, like, repair the relationship. He'd go to Bryce's

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<v Speaker 2>summer camp, the youth camps every summer that Bryce would

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<v Speaker 2>hold here and still does that. But I just, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a real connection with Bryce and Idzik and, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and listen, A connection alone isn't going to move the

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<v Speaker 2>ball down the field. Brad Itzik's a smart, creative dude.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's, shoot, we might be talking about him in

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<v Speaker 2>another month or so being on the radar. when teams

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<v Speaker 2>are looking for head coaches. No doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>He has that look of the offensive whiz kid type,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that the league absolutely loves.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking with Joe Person.

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<v Speaker 1>Get his great Panthers coverage at theathletic.com. Joe, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think about this defense? Because the first game was

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<v Speaker 1>so freaking horrendous in terms of 291 on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and in terms of 59 points given up that in

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<v Speaker 1>some of the statistical categories, they are still like, they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be working all season, right. To get some

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<v Speaker 1>of those numbers back down. But like I brought up,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been following this the last couple of weeks since then,

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<v Speaker 1>their EPA is third in the league, you know, per

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<v Speaker 1>play and total EPA. What do you think of the

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<v Speaker 1>way the defense has played? Albeit to the last two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks without the starting corners. What do you think about

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<v Speaker 1>that unit?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about doing it the last two weeks while J.C.

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<v Speaker 2>Horn and Mike Jackson are recovering from injuries. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was arguably one of the top three cornerback duos last

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<v Speaker 2>year in the league. So, yeah, I really think the linebackers,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Derek Brown's been terrific. They've gotten some good

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<v Speaker 2>play out of young guys up front like Lee Hunter

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<v Speaker 2>and Even Aaron Hall undrafted from Duke. But I look

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<v Speaker 2>first at those linebackers because that was a real problem

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<v Speaker 2>area for this defense the last couple of years, especially

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<v Speaker 2>last year when Josie Jewell is ruled out pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>or retires at the beginning of the season. And, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're kind of forced to throw Rosa Boom in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've got Trevin Wallace, who we know was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of kind of mid. But, boy, Devin Lloyd and even

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Okereke. Like, I remember when they signed him late,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously in August, talking to some folks around the Giants.

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, yeah, he's okay. You know, he's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's kind of lost a step and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. He's, he's, he's found something here because he

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<v Speaker 2>shows up around the ball too. And just Lloyd. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think the two of them in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>that defense have been a real, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of one of the, probably the key to

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<v Speaker 2>this improved run defense and, and they're making plays in

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<v Speaker 2>the backfield too. Like, you know, Okereke getting after and

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<v Speaker 2>good on Agero sending the Blitz to start that game

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday against a quarterback who never really had a real

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<v Speaker 2>NFL start. I know he'd done Week 18 mop-up, but...

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<v Speaker 2>That was just a tone setter right from the jump

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<v Speaker 2>and I think was a big play in that game.

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<v Speaker 3>Big time.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe, I'll tell you this, Bobby Okerekebone and Joe Person,

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<v Speaker 1>two people who have found the fountain of youth here

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<v Speaker 1>in Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Joe, real quick, I saw at Joseph Person on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 4>your link to the athletic.com article you have up right

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<v Speaker 4>now about the offensive line. How do you think it

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<v Speaker 4>plays out on the left side with Walker and Freeling

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<v Speaker 4>once he gets healthy?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to have Freeling be the swing

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<v Speaker 2>tackle initially. I remember all along when they drafted him,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, well, this guy might need a year.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the worst thing. Taylor Moten got a year

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<v Speaker 2>when he was drafted to sit behind Darryl Williams. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of where I think it's heading, but they

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<v Speaker 2>like Freeland. I know he had some ups and downs

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<v Speaker 2>those first four weeks, but listen, that's going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>with a rookie tackle in this league. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>he still has the look of the longtime future pillar

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<v Speaker 2>at left tackle for this organization. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen the last of them this year either, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think initially he'll probably be that swing tackle guy

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<v Speaker 2>backing up both Walker and Moten.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we agree with you on that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that's kind of the way they play it.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a good question here from Steve Carolina Cat

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<v Speaker 1>on the text line.

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<v Speaker 3>Not his government name, Joe. You don't think Carolina Cat's

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<v Speaker 3>the last name? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>So he brings up some I brought up earlier. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of always want to preface this because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a big Mike Jackson fan, but you know how it works, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't pay everybody, and if you can find a

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<v Speaker 1>young player— You know what I mean? To be more economical,

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<v Speaker 1>that can ball. So you can see where this is headed.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve is asking, is Will Lee kind of the guy

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<v Speaker 1>that could allow you to save some money by not

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<v Speaker 1>giving Mike Jack an extension? Do you kind of feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way or should we chill out a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>because it's early?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think that's very legitimate, and I think Will

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<v Speaker 2>Lee was drafted with that in mind. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>had every opportunity to re-sign Mike Jackson. It doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like him. It just means they've got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money already tied up at that position in J.C. Horn,

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<v Speaker 2>and it also means they're going to have to start

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<v Speaker 2>looking for ways to save money at some certain positions

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<v Speaker 2>because they're about to give Bryce Young a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money. And you're going to have to mix in

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<v Speaker 2>these guys on rookie deals like a Will Lee, like

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<v Speaker 2>a Lee Hunter, when you pay a quarterback $ 50 million

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<v Speaker 2>a year or whatever it's going to be. And certainly, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm getting a little ahead of myself, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think that week we're starting to see where that's headed, too,

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<v Speaker 2>with the Bryce contract, right?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's a great point by your caller.

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<v Speaker 2>And Will Lee is kind of like Freeling. He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to have... some rookie mistakes, but you see, you step

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<v Speaker 2>back and see the big picture. And there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>to like with how he's a player, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Wheatley too. There's some good, there's some talented rookies, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Morgan's doing it. Dan Morgan's doing it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>is Joe person, ladies and gentlemen, the athletic.com read his, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>a recent article, read all of them, but read the

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<v Speaker 1>recent article at the athletic.com about the old tackle situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe, you rock, man. Appreciate you, brother. Be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you guys. Have a great week.