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Speaker 2: All right, welcome everybody to a new episode of Frames
Speaker 2: per Second Kenneth be And shared with Spike, Mike and Rod.
Speaker 2: We're doing fifteenth year anniversary of Source Code, which stars
Speaker 2: Jake Gillen Hall. Is from twenty eleven Jillen Is It
Speaker 2: Jilly Gillen Hall and it's written by Ben Ripley and
Speaker 2: directed by Duncan Jones. He is a US Army officer
Speaker 2: who gets stuck in an eight minute loop which is
Speaker 2: a recreation of a train explosion that happened, and he
Speaker 2: has to find out who did it? Who set the
Speaker 2: budget of thirty two mil and did a box office
Speaker 2: of one hundred and forty seven.
Speaker 3: Meal really yeah, so I ain't really being big like that.
Speaker 3: Jake Jim had a run yeah yeah, so yeah, No,
Speaker 3: it did well.
Speaker 2: It's one of those movies that you know, it is
Speaker 2: kind of made for like the screen and not a
Speaker 2: lot of super thinking, so sort of those sort of
Speaker 2: I don't know block us to special summer movies.
Speaker 4: But because it was released in March, I think this
Speaker 4: would be like a considered thinking movie.
Speaker 5: Though at the time you think so, I think so.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it seemed fairly straightforward.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it is like a who done it type
Speaker 4: of situation though what it is that who done it?
Speaker 4: Absolutely is and those those used to be considered like thinking,
Speaker 4: like uh.
Speaker 5: Like the ones we watched like seven and.
Speaker 6: What was the other one?
Speaker 5: It was another one.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 6: Definitely a thinking movie.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're probably not viewing it that way because other
Speaker 7: movies have been made since then that's been better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but definitely at the time, I feel like this.
Speaker 2: Was Was anybody seen this before?
Speaker 4: Hell no, I did. Actually I think I didn't. I
Speaker 4: couldn't remember because it didn't stick with me like that.
Speaker 6: I don't remember I start watching it that I had seen.
Speaker 1: It exactly the same thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, yeah, I did see this, because
Speaker 4: it took a minute too. I was like, wait, did
Speaker 4: I see this? Because I was I did follow the I.
Speaker 5: Wasn't that whole Jake Jenna Hall trained.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh Jesus.
Speaker 8: You're so corny man.
Speaker 5: It didn't come to me until I was.
Speaker 4: Jesus, but I was that on that so so now yeah,
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, yeah, I do remember this, all right,
Speaker 4: So Mike, this is your first time watched.
Speaker 7: I had never even heard of this movie and I
Speaker 7: walked in completely fucking blind.
Speaker 1: What'd you walk away with?
Speaker 5: Y'all can have this ship?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 8: This was boring as fuck to me going on.
Speaker 7: Hell No, I was like once he was going around,
Speaker 7: I was like, bro, I'm good this is I don't
Speaker 7: even care who blues.
Speaker 5: I wanted to blow the whole.
Speaker 7: Fucking system up. I was like, you the fucking lady
Speaker 7: controlling it? Fucking uh, what's black?
Speaker 5: What's the black?
Speaker 7: Dudes like Jeffrey White with his fucking cane. I would
Speaker 7: have blew all of them up.
Speaker 8: I did not care. This was just this was an
Speaker 8: annoying movie.
Speaker 5: Did you Did you feel like you knew who it was?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: Because I didn't care who it was because they never
Speaker 7: really gave me enough explanation for me to care about
Speaker 7: why this specific train explosion was so important.
Speaker 8: I know they ended up saying it kind of, but
Speaker 8: I just they took their time.
Speaker 1: Getting there right, So I was like, why should I
Speaker 1: give a fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, watching it again, I'm like, oh, I kind of
Speaker 4: clearly see who the person is.
Speaker 7: I kind of guessed it was him, But then at
Speaker 7: the same time, I was just like, well, it's not
Speaker 7: gonna be him.
Speaker 5: That'd be too like, I'm like, look, he dropped his.
Speaker 7: Phone and the guy around home, man, here's your phone,
Speaker 7: and they focused on that. At first, I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: it's that guy's No way, that's too obvious.
Speaker 5: It was wallet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, you're right. I'm like, cand
Speaker 4: of be this obvious, Like what the fuck? Well no, yeah,
Speaker 4: it absolutely wasn't. Yeah, I can't remember the first time
Speaker 4: I ever watched it. If I guessed who it was,
Speaker 4: I doubt it. But yeah, i've seen it before.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: It's not one of that that's a rewatchable. It's just like, okay,
Speaker 2: i've seen it one.
Speaker 5: Some good you know, but probably I didn't remember it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It took about Uh, I'm kind of like you guys,
Speaker 2: I know I've seen it before, but I can remember
Speaker 2: everything that.
Speaker 1: Was going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now I realized it was just kind of
Speaker 2: like The Trainers. Well, oh yeah, I do remember this
Speaker 2: because it reminds me of another movie. Tom Cruise was
Speaker 2: the one that was similar to where he kept going
Speaker 2: back in time trying to stop something. No, it's not
Speaker 2: Minority Report, it was something else. I think it was
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise, but I'll look to see if I can
Speaker 2: find it. But but yeah, but apparently it was definitely
Speaker 2: kind of held in in I regard, I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: regard enough, I should say, I know Tom Cruiser did
Speaker 2: the Mummy. Maybe I forgot about that ship which Edge
Speaker 2: of Tomorrow I think is the movie I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: what Mummy was he in.
Speaker 1: It was in two thousand and seven. He did a
Speaker 1: Mummy movie.
Speaker 2: Like the franchise, but I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: like the one that we reviewed. But yeah, he definitely
Speaker 2: did a Mummy movie.
Speaker 5: I can't remember seen most of his movies too, but
Speaker 5: I remember Edge of Tomorrow too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, he was in
Speaker 1: the Tom loop.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so you know, so overall, also, Mike was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm good. How do you guys feel like
Speaker 2: it held up over time? Fifteen years later.
Speaker 4: Mike said, it already, they've done it better since then.
Speaker 4: This is like super obvious, but I think they've gotten
Speaker 4: better with not making stuff so obvious.
Speaker 5: And I don't know, it.
Speaker 4: Could have used a little a little more depth, a
Speaker 4: little bit more motive, But I mean, yeah, I think
Speaker 4: I think it. I think it was good for the time.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like, like it was fun.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with Raw and Mike. I think it
Speaker 6: was good for the time.
Speaker 9: But I also think that we've seen movies do this
Speaker 9: type of thing so much better.
Speaker 6: Now it's like, okay, it's like average.
Speaker 1: So it's not recommendable.
Speaker 9: Like you, No, I wouldn't tell nobody that, man, you've
Speaker 9: got man best performances, not like the movie we saw
Speaker 9: last week. I told people like, nah, you have to
Speaker 9: see that. I was texting people that, so I left
Speaker 9: out the movie. I can't believe it ain't like it.
Speaker 9: I didn't say that. I was definitely you've been insinuated
Speaker 9: since since Thursday we was about he was rolling his eyes.
Speaker 1: I didn't roll my eyes. I was just like, oh, yeah, he.
Speaker 6: Liked it, so yeah, it ain't a movie like that.
Speaker 9: Then I will be like, now you have to see this,
Speaker 9: but it's it's cool if it's on TBS or something.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't watch it on TBS. I cut that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it's I think, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm trying to think like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what tear it falls on there when
Speaker 2: it comes to like mainstream action movies. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know where it will fall, but.
Speaker 5: This is considered like FI too, right mm hm, thriller
Speaker 5: type of thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just not great because it's just there was
Speaker 7: no point where I was like, oh man, where's the bomb?
Speaker 7: And got to find the bomb? And what's going on
Speaker 7: with this girl? And who is just like Actually, now
Speaker 7: that I'm thinking about it, I don't think I remember why.
Speaker 4: They had to stop this particular train because they were
Speaker 4: the guy was going to set off a nuclear a
Speaker 4: dirty bomb.
Speaker 1: Because this is in Chicago.
Speaker 6: He was on the guy when the guy was on
Speaker 6: that train.
Speaker 1: Oh so it kind of morphed into this.
Speaker 2: Uh, instead of an exterior threat to the US, it
Speaker 2: was the threat is domestic and this was this guy.
Speaker 1: He was the one that was his reason for doing it.
Speaker 7: But I guess because this wasn't time travel, this was
Speaker 7: just him going back and simulating, then what was the
Speaker 7: point Because the world was already fucked by that point,
Speaker 7: so who cared?
Speaker 6: But if he if he fixed it, then the world
Speaker 6: doesn't get fucked.
Speaker 9: But he wasn't going back in time, but he had
Speaker 9: to take somebody off the map.
Speaker 6: If I'm not mistake is.
Speaker 9: Right, that kind of confusing, Yeah, question, Yeah, he asked
Speaker 9: that question. I don't remember what he said, but he
Speaker 9: asked a question, and I thought they said, well, it's
Speaker 9: specific to killing that one.
Speaker 6: Particular guy because that will stop a chain of events.
Speaker 9: Because remember he tried to save the girl, and they
Speaker 9: was like it no matter, she dead in another world anyway.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but if what he's doing, explain that. Yeah, if
Speaker 8: they explained it, I missed it because.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't know that the guy sitting off a dirty bomb,
Speaker 2: as if the dirty bomb went off, right, he didn't
Speaker 2: go off though, right, Yeah, so it's too he was
Speaker 2: setting up another one, so they only had a certain
Speaker 2: time frame to get it done.
Speaker 5: That's why he was running out of time.
Speaker 2: So they had intel that he was going to set
Speaker 2: off another one. They just didn't know who it.
Speaker 4: Was was, so they had to go back in time.
Speaker 4: But they only had a certain time frame to do that.
Speaker 4: I know, it seems that's right. Yeah, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: And we just kept reliving because he went back nine times, right, yeah, so.
Speaker 4: He had about an hour maybe a solid hour to
Speaker 4: get it done. That's why they kept sending them back, like,
Speaker 4: don't even don't even talk to us about to send
Speaker 4: them back.
Speaker 1: Let him figure it out. Well, he went eight times.
Speaker 2: Uh, the night time was when he went back to
Speaker 2: just stay so yeah, so yeah, about a run an
Speaker 2: hour or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, before he got to his next destination. So
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I mean they he kind of you know, broke things
Speaker 2: up into faces, using the loops to kind of slowly
Speaker 2: kind of fill out aspects of the story.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So his backstory, he thought he was on a mission
Speaker 2: and afrigat us and just woke up and you know,
Speaker 2: he was very disoriented. His friend Christine and Warren was
Speaker 2: on the train. They show us the reflection of him.
Speaker 2: He's a different person. So like the first loop was
Speaker 2: just an introduce, introduction to the character. Then we went
Speaker 2: back to base and then we get his backstory and
Speaker 2: we see kind of them kind of going through this
Speaker 2: sort of pattern recognition and ye that was cool, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: the cars and stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, instead of just giving them the information, just making them,
Speaker 5: you know, self teach them.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I don't even remember this, okay, but.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because he was disoriented when he came out
Speaker 4: of the loop and he didn't know where he was and.
Speaker 6: They had these little check marks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they had these.
Speaker 9: Triggered his memory to start to be like, oh, I'm
Speaker 9: touching something. I was already bored the first time.
Speaker 1: Did you know what beliaguer?
Speaker 5: You call me?
Speaker 2: Belaeguer Castle was the name of the place. That's a
Speaker 2: real place. No, but the word belieguer though English major.
Speaker 10: I was asking, I'm not English major, something English a belieguer.
Speaker 5: No, I've never heard that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I looked at him. I was like, beleaguer castle.
Speaker 2: I was like, but, yeah, belieguer is a one of
Speaker 2: the definitions of a place arounded by armed forces aiming
Speaker 2: to capture it or for surrender besieged, and also means
Speaker 2: in a very difficult situation.
Speaker 1: So I think it was the first one.
Speaker 5: I've never heard that before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just looked at it was like, beleaguer castle.
Speaker 2: Why did they pick the beleaguered? Yeah, neither his name
Speaker 2: so that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they kind of moved this thing along fairly quick.
Speaker 2: And in the second trip they found the bomb, you know,
Speaker 2: and at this point, uh, that that comedian was on there,
Speaker 2: he said, he asked him about that, he said, uh,
Speaker 2: he called him an assholes. Festival and you're the headliner,
Speaker 2: and y'all remember that.
Speaker 8: I did think that was it was.
Speaker 7: It was such a nineties joke, but it was kind
Speaker 7: of funny because I grew up in the nineties.
Speaker 8: It's like, oh, that's not something I would have said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm gonna just kind of go through the
Speaker 2: trips and different things that that happened.
Speaker 5: I did like that they got to that fast.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 6: That was one of the best things about this movie.
Speaker 6: What did it was fast?
Speaker 7: And that there wasn't a single black person in the
Speaker 7: whole movie was right, he don't count.
Speaker 5: It was a black person in the train too.
Speaker 8: Right, I don't remember a single black person on.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like he was gonna be late.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah he was.
Speaker 8: I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 5: I'm so fucked that is fucked up.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Oh my god, that's fucked up. Damn Ye,
Speaker 4: you're right though, even in the simulation, we can't be
Speaker 4: on got some ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so yeah, we found the ball round trip
Speaker 2: to then we're back at base and that's what saw
Speaker 2: the movie's name in the background, and we get information
Speaker 2: about him and that he's been with the unit for
Speaker 2: two months ago. He thought and uh, and then they
Speaker 2: explained what the movie is and what source code is
Speaker 2: and basically just going back into the body of a
Speaker 2: dead person that head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just fits.
Speaker 5: That fits his like kind of that was.
Speaker 2: Kind of that was kind of interesting that you have
Speaker 2: like eight minutes of time left before everything just goes dark.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 8: That's a cool idea.
Speaker 7: I wish they'd just done something cooler with it, but
Speaker 7: this is a really cool idea.
Speaker 8: Probably they didn't make a equal to.
Speaker 2: This, they very well could because I think it was
Speaker 2: round trip three or four is when he saved the girl.
Speaker 2: They got off the train, and he was like, no,
Speaker 2: I really saved her, Like, are y'all sure? It was
Speaker 2: like we all did?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: See that was that was also my confusion, because I
Speaker 7: was like, why does he think Why does he think
Speaker 7: he saved her?
Speaker 8: He knows this isn't time travel, so I was just confused.
Speaker 2: For well, I think that's that was confused to him,
Speaker 2: and that's why he was like for certain that what
Speaker 2: they were saying wasn't real because it seemed like, damn, bro,
Speaker 2: so you can just go live your life. That's what
Speaker 2: I'm thinking.
Speaker 6: Just hopped off the train and just stayed there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, then they killed him.
Speaker 2: But the way they were trying to say it is like, no,
Speaker 2: once you get that eight minute like and that, that's
Speaker 2: that's a wrap. But I thought the explanation was getting
Speaker 2: this when they explained what was going on with the
Speaker 2: train and why he needed to stop a ride because
Speaker 2: it was the first attack of a series.
Speaker 4: Of attack, and he was saying, is that those people
Speaker 4: are gone? Like we're just trying to say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Mean but but for Jake Jonhall's character to be like, well, no,
Speaker 7: I saved the girl.
Speaker 5: The girl was saved.
Speaker 7: Was that just supposed to imply that he couldn't separate
Speaker 7: that world from reality.
Speaker 5: It was supposed to it was supposed to imply that.
Speaker 4: But then it also, which we'll get to towards the end,
Speaker 4: shows that he was actually kind of right.
Speaker 5: How was he right? Because it's parallel in another world.
Speaker 5: She saved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's saved in that world, not in not in not.
Speaker 7: A real world like her, she's dead. This is only
Speaker 7: a world in his brain.
Speaker 5: No, this is a parallel.
Speaker 2: World, marvel Ship, parallel world, yeah sure, yeah, yeah, parallel world.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the third trip back he knows everything is real,
Speaker 2: so now he's moving differently than the oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: then yeah, the third trip is when they're explaining source
Speaker 2: code and the light bulb. They use the light bulb
Speaker 2: to describe it about how it goes off, and then
Speaker 2: that's when we learn that he's on the train and
Speaker 2: he's he in the body of the courts and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. So they said this isn't time travel,
Speaker 2: but to you, Mike, it's time travel.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, that's what I'm saying. No, at
Speaker 7: this point, it's not time travel. At this point, I
Speaker 7: understand that this is all fake, This is all simulation.
Speaker 1: So you were cool with where we were going. It's
Speaker 1: just a movie was born.
Speaker 7: Yes, I thought the idea itself of putting putting someone's
Speaker 7: essence into this time through source code or through hacking,
Speaker 7: I thought that was a really cool idea.
Speaker 8: I just didn't give a fuck about why he was
Speaker 8: doing it.
Speaker 2: Right, And then this is the point where he was confused, right,
Speaker 2: and his mind. He saved the woman, but it was
Speaker 2: only in a parallel universe. And I'm trying to remember
Speaker 2: if Jeffrey Wright said it, but he said the universe
Speaker 2: that world doesn't exist.
Speaker 5: But right, yeah, I mean, but it's no way he
Speaker 5: can act.
Speaker 9: But absolutely, yeah, he don't know that because later on
Speaker 9: in the movie, when a thing happened his whole ship,
Speaker 9: he didn't realize that they had figured it out because
Speaker 9: it went back in time with some crazy ship.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, movie, we're going straight through this movie fairly quickly.
Speaker 2: For uh, he knows everything. He tried to steal a
Speaker 2: gun and didn't work, blah blah blah. Uh, then he
Speaker 2: found out that uh, he sees the bad ceoc and
Speaker 2: and he calls the bass and try to figure out
Speaker 2: reach Jeffrey, right, but none of that ship happens because
Speaker 2: he's in another world, because he's in this old world.
Speaker 8: Didn't you know that?
Speaker 5: Why didn't who know what that?
Speaker 7: He wasn't in the world where he can make a
Speaker 7: fucking phone called Jeffrey Right. I was like, is this
Speaker 7: guy stupid or something?
Speaker 1: He didn't know that initially?
Speaker 8: Why didn't he?
Speaker 5: What did he think?
Speaker 8: Okay, so in the movie, he must have thought he
Speaker 8: was time traveling.
Speaker 2: I wrote down that this was time travel by another name.
Speaker 2: That's what it seemed like to me.
Speaker 8: But nothing he could do and that would reality that.
Speaker 8: I don't know why he didn't know that, right, That's
Speaker 8: what I'm getting. So did he just not know that
Speaker 8: he was not time traveling?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: Is it because he's the one experiencing it. They're not
Speaker 4: experiencing it he.
Speaker 7: Is, I know, but she kind of told him that
Speaker 7: this is what's happening. You're basically dead. Everybody on that
Speaker 7: train is dead. We're just sending you back in a simulation.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure she told him that. So was his
Speaker 7: simple ass just not understanding what she was.
Speaker 2: Saying at this point. He didn't find that out until after.
Speaker 7: This right exactly, but at some point she told him that.
Speaker 7: So why did he keep insisting, Well, I say the girl.
Speaker 4: Because it feels real to him, even though she told
Speaker 4: his stupid ass it wasn't okay.
Speaker 5: So he believed her, right, did he?
Speaker 4: No, he did so, but he in order to test it,
Speaker 4: test the theory, to see if he was actually out
Speaker 4: of his.
Speaker 1: Mind, he wrote a letter.
Speaker 5: He wrote a letter to her to who to why
Speaker 5: the command? Yeah, whoever she is.
Speaker 4: He wrote a to her that that she'll get later
Speaker 4: on like y'all don't know if you probably don't know,
Speaker 4: but the program works d D.
Speaker 5: So he did that. The other thing he did was
Speaker 5: had the comedian.
Speaker 4: I know, I'm skipping, but he had the comedian make
Speaker 4: everybody laugh in that moment, so that'll be like the
Speaker 4: lasting memory.
Speaker 5: Yes, he didn't know it was going to continue after that.
Speaker 4: He just that's why he had the comedian do that,
Speaker 4: so at least that everybody have they're about to die,
Speaker 4: but at least they'll have this last the last last
Speaker 4: when they die. Yeah, I'm following, But what happened was
Speaker 4: is that the ship, that parallel universe, continued on, do
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: He didn't know what it was.
Speaker 7: He didn't know it would This is not a parallel universe.
Speaker 7: And this is just his simulation in his in his
Speaker 7: brain palniverse.
Speaker 6: And he did something to change the universe.
Speaker 1: He did. He wrote it.
Speaker 8: So and that letter get delivered.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, this movie.
Speaker 2: In another world, another parallel universe. The letter he wrote
Speaker 2: to get to them to stop the train from blowing up.
Speaker 5: It's dumb as.
Speaker 7: Hell, bro, it's not. It sucks, it's not. And he
Speaker 7: went back in a simulation and then he figured out that, oh, ship,
Speaker 7: this is a parallel universe. I'm a writer letter And
Speaker 7: the motherfuckers that made the ship didn't know this.
Speaker 1: He didn't figure it out.
Speaker 5: He just he tried.
Speaker 4: He didn't know, he didn't, He didn't. He didn't know
Speaker 4: if it was gonna actually work, but he tried it.
Speaker 4: But that's why I said, Yo, if this letter gets
Speaker 4: to you, this means this or whatever.
Speaker 8: So why did he come up with this theory?
Speaker 7: But they, the motherfuckers that made the ship, didn't already
Speaker 7: know that this is a possibility.
Speaker 4: Because Jeffrey Right was trying to test out the Yeah,
Speaker 4: he just you don't know if it was gonna work
Speaker 4: or not.
Speaker 7: So Jeffrey Right at some point thought that this could
Speaker 7: be a parallel universe.
Speaker 2: No, Jeffrey Right, it is like this ship only exists
Speaker 2: in this in the in this world.
Speaker 5: And that's what he was when.
Speaker 8: Y'all said he didn't know if it would work or not.
Speaker 7: That doesn't make sense if he didn't even think that
Speaker 7: this was a parallel universe, because why would why would
Speaker 7: the idea of I don't know if this will work
Speaker 7: or not even come into play?
Speaker 8: Like I know for a fact, I can't walk on
Speaker 8: the wall. I don't have to test that ship.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 9: So, but Jake Jenlehaal character was experiencing it, he thought
Speaker 9: since he was experiencing it, well, the movie presented it
Speaker 9: as since he was experiencing it, he had a different
Speaker 9: expertise of the thing, the thing they were using, versus
Speaker 9: Jeffrey Right, who doesn't make it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and no. But he was also experimenting. But
Speaker 2: what what what what he was relaying back to Jeffrey Right.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Wright, in his arrogance, didn't listen to us. He
Speaker 2: was saying, no, you only saved her in source code.
Speaker 2: That's it because the way he designed it, it only
Speaker 2: has eight minute intervals.
Speaker 1: So for him, that's that's it, the of how it worked.
Speaker 2: He should have been, as a creator more open to
Speaker 2: Jake saying that exactly.
Speaker 7: But Jake didn't know. He didn't know. But this the
Speaker 7: oh god, this is making.
Speaker 5: Was trying to relay it back.
Speaker 2: To to Jeffrey Wright's character Rutledge, but he.
Speaker 7: Wasn't experiencing anything except for what was in his brain.
Speaker 1: That's what Jeffrey Wright was telling him.
Speaker 7: This movie is trash. So he accidentally created a fucking
Speaker 7: time machine.
Speaker 5: This is do parallel.
Speaker 2: What happened was because he got killed, thrown him to
Speaker 2: the track. He never lived past the eight minute mark.
Speaker 2: He didn't get a chance to test this theory until
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 5: I got you right.
Speaker 7: But in order for him to make a parallel universe,
Speaker 7: he had to go back in time because these things
Speaker 7: already happened. So he must have accidentally set this motherfucker
Speaker 7: back in time thinking it was just the first count.
Speaker 7: It was a fucking time machine, because otherwise, how would
Speaker 7: the parallel universe get created?
Speaker 8: In order for him to send the letter to the
Speaker 8: other you.
Speaker 2: So each time he went back, he was going to
Speaker 2: a different parallel universe.
Speaker 8: This movie is trash.
Speaker 7: I cannot believe this movie is so much worse than
Speaker 7: I thought. I thought the movie was just okay after
Speaker 7: y'all explain what really happened.
Speaker 8: I think this movie sucks.
Speaker 2: That they've created another parallel universe with the dam mans.
Speaker 6: By accident, and it changed the new universe to the
Speaker 6: that's my.
Speaker 8: Point, it changed the new universe.
Speaker 7: If y'all told me Jeffrey Wright kind of knew that
Speaker 7: this might happen but he was hiding it, I would
Speaker 7: buy into that.
Speaker 8: But if he didn't, that's my point. But if he
Speaker 8: didn't know it all and he's just like, oh.
Speaker 7: We came up with this thing called source code where
Speaker 7: it sends you back into a simulation.
Speaker 8: Oops, it's actually a time machine.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 8: This is dumb.
Speaker 5: This movie is.
Speaker 2: See him not knowing the extent of what the machine
Speaker 2: is able to do. Maybe his his because he probably
Speaker 2: didn't even look past the fact that they could create
Speaker 2: and it makes sense. I don't think why he would
Speaker 2: even think that it would create a parallel universe.
Speaker 4: Right, he says In a letter, he says in a
Speaker 4: letter like this, This this thing works more than you
Speaker 4: guys could ever imagine it with.
Speaker 7: Yes see that makes sense that he would think that
Speaker 7: because he's experiencing this, so he would think, oh, this
Speaker 7: is what's happening. But if this is really what's happening,
Speaker 7: this takes this movie from a C to an F.
Speaker 4: But I think that's what what what people do when
Speaker 4: they tamper with with certain ship like that.
Speaker 5: Oh I know I'm talking like this ship is real.
Speaker 5: It might be, you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying like you just never know when you
Speaker 4: tamper with ship, you'd be changing the fabric of reality.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So now you have the world where they stop the
Speaker 2: dirty bomb, and now you have the world where they
Speaker 2: stop the train and the dirty bomb.
Speaker 1: Yes, I wish, and now in.
Speaker 7: Time to stop this movie because this ship stud.
Speaker 2: Character, it's not happening in a parallel verse. Now he's
Speaker 2: alive and a completely different world. So he gave basically
Speaker 2: that to live again. Because did you guys think that
Speaker 2: he was dead? Did you guys?
Speaker 5: Was that a bit of a oh I think he
Speaker 5: was dead?
Speaker 1: Yeah? When they revealed that, how did you like.
Speaker 4: He was with one arm and one leg and shit, yeah,
Speaker 4: when he went back the last time, was not not
Speaker 4: that machine was dying. I think it was around trip
Speaker 4: five he went back because remember he called the base
Speaker 4: and he told Christina, I need you to go find
Speaker 4: this guy.
Speaker 2: And she went and looked him up and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that guy's dead. Your friend is dead. And then that's
Speaker 2: when we got to reveal that he was actually dead too.
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, so when that happened, I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: that's really interesting. But again I was I knew I
Speaker 7: was missing something, and I sure shit wasn't about to
Speaker 7: watch it again. So I was just hoping y'all could
Speaker 7: explain it. I did not think the explanation going to
Speaker 7: be this stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that was it.
Speaker 2: That was like, you're in the body of a dead
Speaker 2: man and only the last for eight minutes. Oh, by
Speaker 2: the way, way, you're dead too, and that's why we
Speaker 2: were only able to as he said earlier, it's only
Speaker 2: a certain person that can do this.
Speaker 4: I don't think he was dead. I don't remember him
Speaker 4: being dead. I thought he was just decapitated. He not capitated, but.
Speaker 6: Because he told him to ask whatever.
Speaker 9: But it was him and he was dead, so that
Speaker 9: one time he told him and asked about this soldier
Speaker 9: that he claimed was his friend.
Speaker 4: Right, But that's so, so I think they were just lying.
Speaker 4: I think I think he's on life support, hooked up
Speaker 4: the neuro sensh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's why he was right.
Speaker 4: So his father and everything think he's dead, but he's
Speaker 4: actually a part of this program right in their experiment
Speaker 4: and their experiment, and they're saying, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, he's dead. That's what it was. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So and then that's why he's like, yo, pull the
Speaker 5: plug on me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I can stay and see. That made the
Speaker 7: movie make I was like, Okay, he wants to stay
Speaker 7: in this, in this fantasy world. But now y'all are
Speaker 7: saying that this is actually another world, which is.
Speaker 4: Why he had those visions and stuff of it, And
Speaker 4: so it brings.
Speaker 5: What am I trying to say?
Speaker 4: So it makes it interesting, is like, okay, can you
Speaker 4: live in this parallel universe?
Speaker 5: And is it and is it actually real?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: I'm well yeah, that's where it gets confusing because they
Speaker 2: made it seem like it.
Speaker 4: Was really yeah, like you had memories memories of it, like,
Speaker 4: so this is something that was supposed to happen too,
Speaker 4: So it's parallel universes that's supposed to happen.
Speaker 5: Because he had these memories of it.
Speaker 2: It was confusing to me because at the end, I
Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, they already stopped the bomb
Speaker 2: on the train, what is he doing? But it was
Speaker 2: another It was a completely different world. Ye, in an
Speaker 2: alternate reality basically, so and that was interesting. So they
Speaker 2: just took it to another place. I think they did
Speaker 2: that just so they can probably get a sequel maybe,
Speaker 2: but I.
Speaker 7: Mean, they don't need to use these characters for a sequel.
Speaker 7: I'm surprised they didn't just make a movie.
Speaker 5: Where to somebody else.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't.
Speaker 2: But I think I think that was the only prototype,
Speaker 2: and this was proof that it worked in this experiment ninety.
Speaker 2: That's why he renegged on his whole promise to let
Speaker 2: him die, because that's when he told him to say
Speaker 2: that one soldier's death is something.
Speaker 1: I forgot what Lonnie said.
Speaker 8: But the woman did it still, She still pulled the
Speaker 8: plug off.
Speaker 1: Yeah she did.
Speaker 2: She honored him because she was a soldier he wasn't,
Speaker 2: so she understood the soldier's cold, which is why she
Speaker 2: a bet.
Speaker 4: But when he was out there, they was like open
Speaker 4: the fucking door. He was mad, you can't run after me,
Speaker 4: and ship like chill out.
Speaker 2: But he was a piece of shit, obviously because he
Speaker 2: was supposed to let him die, but she was gonna
Speaker 2: clear he was going to clear his memory and start
Speaker 2: over in another program. And at the time we're thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: he's gonna start over. He wouldn't even know about the
Speaker 2: mission that he just completed. But when you think about it,
Speaker 2: it's possible because he probably have remnants of that mission
Speaker 2: on mission too.
Speaker 1: But either way it go. You know, I think you function.
Speaker 1: I think it worked well enough.
Speaker 5: I'm glad y'all liked it. Yeah, I mean it was cool,
Speaker 5: it was decent. I think it's definitely for the time.
Speaker 5: I think that's.
Speaker 4: Where they got multiverse from Marvel just cross.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I think, like, uh, to your point, they didn't have
Speaker 2: to introduce the alternate reality parallel universe.
Speaker 1: They really didn't.
Speaker 2: I think it would have been fine. I think they
Speaker 2: just wanted to. Maybe they just didn't want to kill
Speaker 2: the character and that was their way out. I think
Speaker 2: it ending with him going back, having people their last
Speaker 2: moments smiling, laughing, which is what he paid the comedian
Speaker 2: to do, and then kissing her. I think that would
Speaker 2: have been fine.
Speaker 5: Maybe the alternate universe is heaven.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you going down this.
Speaker 1: This uh.
Speaker 5: Happened.
Speaker 8: Well at least you're admitting that it's fake.
Speaker 4: See you you want You're the one said it.
Speaker 5: But that's not fake though, it is fake.
Speaker 7: If it's not real, is it real conscious?
Speaker 5: That's true?
Speaker 2: Well anyway, Yeah, so that that's it. Man, a fifteen
Speaker 2: years look back at source Code.
Speaker 5: Who the fun voted for this bullshit I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think it was did they? Taylor gave us a list?
Speaker 4: It was my pass right, that's right, and they voted.
Speaker 7: Yeah, wait, you this so fucking fun vote for this
Speaker 7: bullshit ass movie?
Speaker 2: Hey man, I was, you know, to talk about some
Speaker 2: sci fi source code?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you think it was over? The last question I had?
Speaker 2: Do you you guys already seen it? Do you think
Speaker 2: it was a waste of time?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 7: Before all of this, Before all of this, I didn't
Speaker 7: feel like it was a waste of time.
Speaker 5: I was a boring ass movie.
Speaker 7: Now I think it was a waste of time because
Speaker 7: they accidentally did time traveling.
Speaker 8: I can't travel.
Speaker 7: I feel like I am from I'm Gonna Off Universal.
Speaker 7: People think this shitty ass.
Speaker 5: Movie is good. Oh man, if it was not time.
Speaker 7: Travel, if it really just ended with Jake Gillenhall's character
Speaker 7: and the woman he saved the day he figured out
Speaker 7: who set the bomb off, and then they get to
Speaker 7: lift happily ever after in this in this simulation, and
Speaker 7: when they pull the plug, you know, the simulation continues
Speaker 7: in his brain.
Speaker 2: I'd be fine with that. That would have been a
Speaker 2: better ending. I don't know why they added the other element.
Speaker 2: I do agree with you that the simulation would.
Speaker 8: Have been the simulation interfering into the real world. That's
Speaker 8: the part where.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, this is stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was unnecessary.
Speaker 5: He said, send me back, send me back. It was right,
Speaker 5: we gotta go back. He wanted to try to save everybody.
Speaker 2: No, which was you know, yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: I'm in agreement with you there, you know, to make
Speaker 2: him the hero.
Speaker 1: I think it was heroic.
Speaker 5: And he's a soldier, so he naturally wants to save people.
Speaker 5: He was going back to get some pusses.
Speaker 2: Man was but but I think stopping there and maybe
Speaker 2: him living in a simulation would have been right, would
Speaker 2: have been a better ending than adding the elements of
Speaker 2: it's a parallel universe and this machine.
Speaker 1: Is super powerful.
Speaker 2: But either way, I think it Ultimately, I think it's
Speaker 2: it's okay. I think I think they just cheated. I
Speaker 2: think they were just trying to cheat and they don't
Speaker 2: want Check to die what Paradise did.
Speaker 5: It's Alex.
Speaker 1: That's the initial Alex.
Speaker 6: Y'all lucky that I was thinking about you.
Speaker 5: I can punch somebody, Alex.
Speaker 7: I was texting the Home Alaska and I was because
Speaker 7: he was like, Oh, there's all kinds of theories that
Speaker 7: it's like lost and there's parallel. I was like, man,
Speaker 7: knock it off. That's not what's happening the next FU episode.
Speaker 6: I definitely got lost vibes from Paradise.
Speaker 5: Anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, check out our review of Paradise is up on
Speaker 2: the feet now and see what you guys. It's frustrated
Speaker 2: with Mike about that. I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they did the time traill thing.
Speaker 2: It's what is it?
Speaker 4: It's like this accidental time travel. No, it is like this,
Speaker 4: It's absolutely like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's alternate universes because the fucking sun. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm like, why why do we always have to have this?
Speaker 2: Still, I don't know, I'm holding I hope that that's
Speaker 2: we're maybe spoiling some ship.
Speaker 4: You're right side, y'all can cut it off.
Speaker 2: We're talking about about to do the OMEN, y'all. Make
Speaker 2: sure y'all check out the OMEN reviews. How many years thirty, thirty, fifty, seventies,
Speaker 2: anyway more than thirty then?
Speaker 5: Yes, fifty, yes, uh, but yeah.
Speaker 1: We're ending here man. We'll catch you cauts that time.
Speaker 1: We up