1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: We said that we would do more different types of alcohol. 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: Tequila's rum because rum goes great with cigars. So I 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: didn't do that. But I do have a bourbon with 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: a rum finish, and I think that should count. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 2: It counts. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: It's a drinks well, I'm Tony Katz. That is America's 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: favorite amateur drinker, Fingers molloy. And this is the Hugh 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: Hamer from west Fork Whiskey. It counts. I'm sorry you 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: want to do that again. It counts. So Hugh Hamer 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: is part of the whole line of Old Hamer, which 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: you may have seen a whole a bunch of It's 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: possible it's not available in your area. West Fork Whiskey 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: comes from right here in Indiana, place called a Westfield. 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Very very nice, good people, the brothers there, and I 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: am thrilled to be doing some work with them now, 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: even though and I am always full disclosure, it's one 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: of the very rare times I am doing work with them. 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Nothing interferes with whether I think there's a value there 19 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: at price, Absolutely nothing. And if you don't want to 20 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 1: take my work for it on this one, that's fine, 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: but full disclosure. I will never lie to you under 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: any circumstance. Yes, I do some work with them. I 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: leave it. I'm gonna leave it there. Did I make 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: that clear? 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: What kind of work like song and dance work they're 26 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: cutting an album? 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: I do some things for them. You might start seeing 28 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: them as an advertiser on this program. So I wanted 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: people to know. I wanted people to know what was happening, 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: because it's not right when people don't disclose that stuff. 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: And the radio is there's plugola and there's payola, and 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: as far as I know, those are the only two 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: things you can really truly get fired for on the spot, 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: no questions asked. 35 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: A lot of people on the street call this show eat, drink, smoke. Transparency. 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: That's what they call it. 37 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: In the world of podcasting alone, you don't have to 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: do anything. There are no rules, you know, because so 39 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: you never really know what's the matter. 40 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: Have you seen on the social media's these ads? It 41 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: doesn't matter what the product is. Let's let's say it's 42 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: for foot powder, where they act like it's two people 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: in a podcast. Platforms like oh dice on the other day, 44 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: I have terrible foot odor. You don't say, have you 45 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: tried fingers Mulloy's famous foot powder. It's like, oh, that's 46 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: not a podcast, that's a stupid commercial. 47 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: Yes, it's super So I don't I don't believe in 48 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: any conversation or any question about not being full disclosure. 49 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: I am full disclosure. 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 51 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: The the whole old Hamer line. And there's a ton 52 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: of them. There's a cast rank, there's a tenure. Uh. 53 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things happening here. This is one 54 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: of them. This is called the Hugh Hamer. It is 55 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent corn, one percent multed barley, coming in 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: at one hundred and three prow anything over one hundred proof. 57 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: Getting applause from fingers maloy right there. This is somewhere 58 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: in the four to six year range in terms of aging. 59 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: And I will tell you in the glass that is 60 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: a nice color. That's a little more bourbon color. There 61 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: a little in the caramel, not so maybe orange, not 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: in the amber, not in the reds fingers already in 63 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: the nose, boom. 64 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: I am in the nose, and I have to get 65 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: deep in the nose because I will say. 66 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: Right off the back, do you have a cold? Do 67 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: you have a cold? No? Why you have to get 68 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: deep in the nose there. 69 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: Yes, really yeah? 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Wow? 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: Well okay, first of all, for one hundred and three proof, 72 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: there's no ethanol alcohol on my nose. How about you? 73 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: Are you getting anything. 74 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: Touch A touch? I think I'm more sensitive to it 75 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: than you are. 76 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: That's because I bathed an alcohol. Okay, so maybe a 77 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: hint of O and some caramel. 78 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sweet. It is, see, I mean rum finish. 79 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: One would think right between that and ninety nine percent corn, 80 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: you would, you would expect it to be sweet. 81 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: It's nice. It's spending four to six years in the 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: barrel as bourbon. It's not known the amount of time 83 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: it's spending in the rum barrel to get that extra 84 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: sweetness off there. 85 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: But that is sweet. They don't disclose that, No, eighteen months. 86 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: You can just tell just by the you know, oh, 87 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: nineteen months. 88 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: It is sweet. It's not overly sweet, but it's there. 89 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: I would argue there is a little bit of oak 90 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: playing underneath, uh for sure, but fingers will way uh 91 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: sniffiness for suckers. 92 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: It was my favorite country album by that famous country 93 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: artist Conway Twitty. 94 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: Went full family Guy. 95 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: You did a full family Guy. But I thought, once again, 96 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: seventies and eighties country music phenom Conway Twitty. We have 97 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: our fingers on the pulse of pop culture. 98 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: We are good like that finger. I didn't even ask 99 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: him if he was ready for it, all right, fingers 100 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: on why he's doing what someone's at Kentucky chew. Take 101 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: the juice moving around the palette, try and get idea 102 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 1: for the flavors. I'm a believer in the two step theory. 103 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: The first sip to set the taste buds, the second 104 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: sip to really understand the flavors that we've got in 105 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: our Glenn Cairing glass. Right, it's got the foot bows 106 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: out comes back in, helps you concentrate the flavors of 107 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: the nose, really get to look at in the light. 108 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: Let's say, okay, the first of ball, there's a nice 109 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: bit of spice also, I would I would say that 110 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: there's definitely a brown sugar to it. And then there's 111 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: an orchard on the finish as well. It's very nice. 112 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: It does not play at all in my mind over 113 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: one hundred proof. There's a nice bit of sting on 114 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 2: the tongue and okay, now a little bit of gentle 115 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 2: warmth in the chest. It's very nice. 116 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm going in. I'm going in. This is the Hugh 117 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: hammer rum finished h m e R. But it's pronounced tamer, 118 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: not hammer hammer. Here I go. 119 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: He's going in, ladies and gentlemen, and he is doing 120 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: what we like to call the sag. And I swish, 121 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: the Memphis munch, the Chattanooga chomp, the Kentucky chew, always 122 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 2: going back in for seconds. That ninety nine percent corn. Really, uh, 123 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: you get a sense that it is ninety nine percent 124 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: corn because it is very sweet. 125 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: There is way more heat than I was expecting. Really, 126 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: the tongue, the lips, the soft, soft in the chest, 127 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: soft in the chest for sure, but definitely on on 128 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: the tongue, definitely there on on the on the lips 129 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: again with the sweetness, syrupy, the the sweet again is 130 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: not overwhelming. You can you can almost argue there's like 131 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: a like an apple pie thing happening on there. I 132 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: would expect as much when you're talking about ninety nine 133 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: percent corn that there'd be some outrageous sweetness here. I 134 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: can't tell you what the rum is adding. I can't 135 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: tell you does the rum bring me the sweetness? I 136 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: would love to taste this before the rum finishing to 137 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: be able to get that difference. I think this is 138 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: screaming for a cube. I want to try it on 139 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: a cube. There it is hot and sweet. Boom, there 140 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: is a real heat that comes. The finish, by the way, 141 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: is lovely. The finish on this is absolutely solid. It's 142 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: it's sugary. There's a little bit of wood that exists there. 143 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: It's a nice nice It's a pleasant overall drink, for sure. 144 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: But I want to see if I can cut that 145 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: sweetness by by seventeen percent, fair enough, just take the 146 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: edge off. 147 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: I have much more of a sweet tooth than you do. 148 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: So this the sweetness doesn't actually bother me. It actually 149 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: makes me like it a little bit more. But it'll 150 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: be interesting to see what you know. I put a 151 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: little bit of cool water in mine. We'll see how 152 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: that monkey's with it. 153 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: We will get to that. The Hugh Hamer from a 154 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: West Fork whisky. Keep it here. I was told that 155 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: beyond meat was the future of meat. Tony meat that 156 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: wasn't really meat was the what. 157 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: If there's one thing I know, two things, I know 158 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: no one thing I know. The children and beyond meat 159 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 2: are our future. 160 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: Now I should be clear, I am not about to 161 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: attack the brand Beyond Meat. They have every right to 162 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: me in business. Rather, I'm talking about the people who 163 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: told us that artificial meat, foam meat was the future. 164 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you got to invest in this, Oh 165 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: my gosh, you gotta buy stock to this. This is everything. 166 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Nothing else matters, nothing, nothing beats a steak, no steak, 167 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: A steak and not steak is something else, and you're 168 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: more than welcome to enjoy it. But you can't get 169 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: somebody who loves steak to be like, wait, it's just 170 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: like steak. They don't need just like steak, they want steak. 171 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: That is true. 172 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: See drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz. That is fingers moloy. 173 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: I apologize for stepping all over. It was a good 174 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: intro to the good intro. But whenever you start bringing 175 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 2: up the future, I think about the children. 176 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: So the story is that the company Beyond Meat had 177 00:09:54,920 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: a very bad third quarter, a very very bad third quarter, 178 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: and there's a weaker demand for its plant based meat products, 179 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: and there's this possibility that they can go Chapter eleven, 180 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: which means bankruptcy. Debts of one point two million, cash 181 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: on hand of one hundred and seventeen million, it's not 182 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: a great place. It's not a great place to be. Now, 183 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: I want to save for the record, I know nothing 184 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: about the management and beyond meat. As far as I know, 185 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: I do not own any beyond meat stock or anything 186 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: like it in any kind of fund or anything else 187 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: like that. As far as I know, I have no 188 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: financial connection whatsoever. 189 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes actual shares of stock have the same ingredients in 190 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: it as fake beef. 191 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm simply saying, who amongst us really thought this was 192 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: going to supplant beef. This is like the people who 193 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: believe in like globalization or or like a one global 194 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: government kind of folk who believe that, you know, you'll 195 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: eat bugs and it'll be great, and that's a perfect 196 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: source of protein and everything will be fine. It's like 197 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: that kind of total insanity, where the objective is you 198 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: are the problem for your existence because the cow is 199 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: putting the methane out there through the through the cow flatulence, 200 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: and the cow needs to absorb taking so many nutrients, 201 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: and it's destroying the water supply, and we have to 202 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: stop eating these cows like this and raising cattle like this, 203 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: and therefore everything will be better, and you'll eat plants 204 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: and it'll be so much healthier for it, and it 205 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: tastes just the same. No, it doesn't. People don't want it. 206 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: The people have spoken. When do we start listening. 207 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: That's a good question. Well, apparently at least the market 208 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: is listening and they're saying no, thank you. And now 209 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: I don't have the full beyond meat timeline in front 210 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: of me, but I do feel like, what was it 211 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: a few years ago where it felt like kind of 212 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: a Hail Mary where they teamed up with Burger King, right, 213 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 2: Which what I'm told is that over there at Burger King, 214 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: to the King of Burgers, they had the beyond whopper, right, 215 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: So for folks that wanted to have a meatless patty 216 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 2: in their whopper, this was going to be some sort 217 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: of man. 218 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was beyond me or 219 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: there was impossible Burger impossible, it was one of the 220 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: companies something like that. And I don't say no. What 221 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying is is that in the end, and your 222 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: point is taken, we're in it. You cannot tell people 223 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: they have to accept something they won't accept. It's like 224 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: electric vehicles. You can tell me from now to the 225 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: end of time, I have to accept that electric vehicles 226 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: are the future. Americans said, no, thanks, they're not the future. No, 227 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: you could sell them, some people will buy them, but 228 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: we don't want them. 229 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: I'm really glad you brought that up, because you know, 230 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: correcting me, because it was it was impossible foods that 231 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: brought us the meatless whopper, right, But I also felt 232 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: like when it came to the whopper, that would be 233 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: if you were going to pick one fast food burger 234 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: that you would substitute a meat patty with a plant 235 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 2: based patty. That could be the burger that they may 236 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: be able to get away of it because they put 237 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: the condiments. It's just basically they just go into the 238 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: trough of slop and put all the kind They put 239 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: three quarts of mayonnaise on the burger along with a 240 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: pound of onions, lettuce, tomato, and you bite into it 241 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: and you don't even need to chew the burger, just 242 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: tilt your head back and it slides right down the gullet. 243 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: I saw a trough of slop open up for Motorhead 244 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six, is what I saw. It's the 245 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: people will speak, and very often what happens is and 246 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be political. I'm discussing something a 247 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: far greater here that there will be some people who 248 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: want to tell you that no, no, no, this is 249 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: better for you, and they want their their like minded 250 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: brethren within whatever government's office to push this on you. No, 251 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: it's for your own good. People do not want what 252 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: they do not want. Is there a market for plant 253 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: based Sure, absolutely there's a market. Is there a market 254 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: to the size that they had? Is there a market 255 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: to the size that we were told that they have 256 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: to have? What happened that the sales fell? And one 257 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: of two things had to have happened. Either the cost 258 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: became too much compared to other things, or in the end, 259 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: people tried it and tried it and tried it and 260 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: said I don't this is not the same. And what 261 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: I want is the admission that it's not the same. 262 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: It's not just like a burger. No, it's just like 263 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: a plant based soy whatever the thing is, and a 264 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: burger is something else. Have you ever tried to meet 265 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: less patty? But I've had black bean stuff before. Yeah, 266 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: it's fine. It's not a burger. It is what it is. 267 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with doing that. 268 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,359 Speaker 2: I wonder if the type of let's examine the restaurant 269 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: side of this for a second. I wonder if people 270 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: who are into this sort of thing are skeptical about 271 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: getting a meatless burger patty because they're concerned about how 272 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: it's cooked. And this is just anecdotal. I had a 273 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: barbecue some twenty five years ago, throwing stuff on the grill, 274 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: and I had a vegetarian show up with their own 275 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: vegetarian meat patties. Meat patties in air quotes there were 276 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: plant based, and this person was very concerned that I 277 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: was going to put their patties on a section of 278 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: the grill that had some sort of meat product ad 279 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: on it at one point. So if you are that 280 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: type of person, are you going to trust going to 281 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: a restaurant that serves almost entirely meat menu and say 282 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: to themselves, well, I trust them that my meatless patty 283 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: will not say what you do. 284 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah? Right, it's not even being rude, you're saying you think, 285 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: think of how a restaurant works. I I don't know 286 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: how many of them in the main are gonna have 287 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: a separate area on their grill or a separate grill 288 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: for their meatless product. Yeah, and that's that's just not 289 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: that's a that's an irrational thought. And then I wonder, 290 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: if you are a vegetarian, and you have been a 291 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: vegetarian for if you're older for decades, if just having 292 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of exposure to some sort of meat 293 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: juice will screw you up in some way, it'll make 294 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: you happy. Wow, what are you saying that vegetarians can't 295 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: be happy? I'm not saying they can't be. They can 296 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: be if they eat meat. That was soft. If you 297 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: want to be a vegetarian, if you want to be 298 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: a vegan, it's it's no sweat off of my whatever. Right, 299 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: you go live your life as you see fit. I 300 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: am not here to judge. The problem is very often 301 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: the people who are vegetarians are vegans or or they're 302 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: gluten free. They're judging me, and I would appreciate it 303 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: if you just stop and leave me to my stakes. 304 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: And that's that. That is that Eat Drink Smoke. It 305 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: is your cigar bourbon foody extravaganza. I'm Tony Katz. That 306 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: is fingers well. I find everything we do over at 307 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: Eat Drink Smoke show dot com. We're smoking, We're drinking. 308 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with the cigar right here, the Tampa Smokers 309 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: from JC Newman six by fifty two. That Connecticut shade wrapper, 310 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: a Connecticut broadleaf in the binder. The filler undisclosed. We're 311 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: into the second third of this cigar. More oil on 312 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: the wrapper than I thought. It had a tight draw. 313 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: Took a little bit to get things really going and 314 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: really flowing, but now well into the second third of 315 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: the cigar. It's a really nice piece. 316 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: Man. 317 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: The spice is is there? Uh? For sure? I'm gonna 318 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: say it's It's like a dancing black pepper. The leather 319 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: is there, for sure. A fly just entered the studio, 320 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: so that's gonna be a whole thing we have to 321 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: deal with there. It's this is not creamy. I would 322 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: not say that about this cigar. I would think that there. 323 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: I would say that there's a it's not necessarily a 324 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: nut nutty undertone. Might actually be a little more wood based, 325 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: but not a seater. It's a it's a medium cigar. 326 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: It stays a medium cigar. But as one of the 327 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: things I've loved about how connecticuts have been going over 328 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: the past couple of years, there's flavor here, there's something 329 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: you can do here more than just oh it's the morning, 330 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: gotta have a connecticut something really mild. This is flavor. 331 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: This is a well done piece. 332 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: I was going to just mention that I was starting 333 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: to get a good amount of wood from the cigar. 334 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: That leather has intensified that that pepper you're talking about 335 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: that has also built up a little bit as well. 336 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: And you know, we talked about it at the beginning 337 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: of the show. The draw it felt like it was 338 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 2: it wasn't quite there yet as far as feeling like 339 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: it was work, but it was a little it was 340 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: a little bit too noticeable on the edge, yep. And 341 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: it has since opened up nicely. It's the draws fine now, 342 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: very pleasurable, enjoyable smoking experience. 343 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: Twenty one dollars a stick, yeay or nay. 344 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: I wish this were fifteen to seventeen dollars a stick. 345 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: At twenty one it's a push. At twenty one dollars, 346 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: it's a push. I absolutely get that. I believe that 347 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: to be the case. I think it is a solid cigar. 348 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: I think Jason Newman has done something very very good here. 349 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: The issue is, once you hit twenty are there other 350 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: places you want to play other ways you want to 351 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: go with that dollar. If you feel that you can 352 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: already find a good connecticut for eleven, that's the problem. 353 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you this is a nice overall piece. 354 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: There's a nice overall cigar. I like, what's happening. 355 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: You know what's funny is if you got me the 356 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: baseball bat one and said this is twenty one dollars 357 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: just for the uniqueness of it and the story behind it, 358 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: I could say to myself, you know, I could see 359 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: one of these in my humid door, or taking it 360 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: to a cigar lounge and showing it off as I'm 361 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: smoking it. This though, again, I wish it were more. 362 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: You know, fourteen sixteen dollars, you start getting over twenty, 363 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: like you said, you really have to start assessing whether 364 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: it's worth it or not. 365 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: And we are drinking the Hugh Hamer. So this is 366 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: coming in in one hundred and three proof from the 367 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: people at West Fork Whiskey, ninety nine percent one percent 368 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: molted barley. It is finished in rum casks. Now, I added, 369 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: there was definite sweetness here, a little bit of oak 370 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: on the finish. Oh I got a cube in there. 371 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: Oh, look it melted already. 372 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kept in the Glenn Careen glass because why not? 373 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: And so got this on the cube fingers add a 374 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: little bit of water. It is. Excuse me, everybody, I'm 375 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: gone in. 376 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: He's going in, ladies and gentlemen for round three, the 377 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: two rounds without the cube. How's it changed? 378 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: Okay? I said there was more heat on here than 379 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: I thought it would exist. There's still heat, more heat 380 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: than I thought. But what the what the ice did? So? 381 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: Water brings down proof, right, you're already one hundred and 382 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: three proof here. Water brings down proof. It's the only 383 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: thing that you can use to bring down proof. And 384 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: it'll open it up right. Some flavors more pronounced, some 385 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: more muted. The sweetness has been cut. The heat is 386 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: still there. And with the cube, this is I think 387 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: a little bit better of a drink. I think it 388 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: cuts just a little too much, a little too much, 389 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 1: and I wish it still had some of that, some 390 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: of that some of that sweetness flavor, you know I 391 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: was talking about, like there's like an apple pie thing 392 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: going on. It cuts some of that. The overall sweetness 393 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: is there, that SYRUPI is still there, but that that 394 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: little bit of nuance is gone. 395 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: I wish was still remain Do you think the nuance 396 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: would be there if that that heat had dissipated a 397 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 2: little bit when you added the possibly okay. 398 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: Heat still there. Hold on, let me try one more time. 399 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 2: Look it for you. You got to you gotta make sure 400 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to these things goes in again. 401 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: And what I dig about it is that it is there. 402 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: There is a real viscosity going on. It's a real 403 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: thickness to this, this bourbon. It's it is interesting for sure. 404 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: And as I said, full disclosure, I do stuff with 405 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: the people at West Fork Whiskey. I do have a 406 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: relationship with them, and so I I need to let 407 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: people know that as we're discussing the bourbon, it's the 408 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: only right fair thing to do. You just put a 409 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: little bit of water in. 410 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: Yours fingers by what say you actually for me brought 411 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: out a little bit more caramel then I previously remember 412 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: from having it neat that spice is there. It's that 413 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: that heat is there, and there's a to me that 414 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: wood is there. Like I really enjoy this, and I 415 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: like a sweeter bourbon. This is really down. It's it's 416 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: in my wheelhouse. I like a lot about this. I'm 417 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: interested to know though, what the price point is. 418 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: Is this in your liquor cabinet for sixty five dollars 419 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: a bottle? 420 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 2: Well, I wish you would have said forty five, right, 421 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 2: I listen. If you see this at your local lounge, 422 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: I encourage you to go get a poor and enjoy it. 423 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: For me, I have to do a lot of thinking 424 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: when you start getting into sixty seventy dollars a bottle. 425 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: It's it's very enjoyable, I will say that. So the 426 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: the this is about whether or not this is your palette. 427 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: This is too sweet for my palate. I want more oak, 428 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: I want some of those other caramels, right, which isn't 429 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: necessarily a high end sweet if you like a sweeter bourbon. 430 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: I can see people doing this all day. Some people 431 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: are gonna absolutely love what the rum finish is here 432 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: in the finished in the rum casks for an undisclosed 433 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: amount of time. Finger says, nineteen months. I don't know 434 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: if yeah, nineteen months. Oh hold on, you're gonna check again. 435 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: Just sweet, real quick, real quick. 436 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 2: Sixty two weeks. 437 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: So that's that's a year and ten weeks since a 438 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: year and two months. Yeah, so that's fourteen months. Yes see, 439 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: it from nineteen months to fourteen Yeah. 440 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: The water changed the complexity and thermal breakdown, and uh, 441 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 2: that's that's where I got fourteen months? 442 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: Is this bourbon or penz oil thermal breakdown? I know 443 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: that there are gonna be people who are like, Nope, 444 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: this is my bourbon. This is the kind of suite 445 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: that I'm going for. It is they have so many 446 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: other products that I do and I enjoy. I appreciate it. 447 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: Sixty five dollars is that's not that's not that's not 448 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: the sweet I want in it. But oh, people are 449 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: gonna drink this, for sure, people drink. 450 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: You're trying to talk me into this because I really 451 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: do like it. 452 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: I know you do. I know this is absolutely where 453 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: you liven't bring it. 454 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: But it's just man, at that's sixty five bucks. 455 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: I I dude, I hear you on all of it, 456 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: But you're talking about something that's aged four to six years. Yeah, 457 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: then that's before it gets into the rum barrel. And man, 458 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: boo boo, there is a price for that. That's it 459 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: all right, I'm buying it, thank you, thank you very much. 460 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: Just so just like that, mister salesman, that's what they 461 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: call me. Can I do to put you in this 462 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: bourbon today? This is the Hugh Hamer spok whiskey dot com. 463 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: Good people thrilled to be working with them, a lot 464 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: of interesting products from the old Tamer line and some 465 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: very unique things they're doing with West Fork Whiskey. But 466 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: I would tell you fingers will, it's time for a week. 467 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: Oh you got it, spoos of the week. 468 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: Spirit Airlines had a bad quarter again and there's speculation 469 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: that they may not make it another year. 470 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: What they said was don't book. Literally, the statement was 471 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: we're not sure how we're going to keep up operations. 472 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: That's the paraphrase. And the minute you hear that, you're like, well, 473 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: why would I ever book a flight? 474 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 2: I just looked at a round trip flight to New 475 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: York City from Indianapolis seventy one dollars round trip. 476 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's before you get a seat, before baggage, everything else. 477 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: In beer nuts, no one starts beernuts rat. Sorry I 478 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't know. You didn't know that I might 479 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: not notify about these things. Get the memos. That's true 480 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: on the email list. While we do not get political 481 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: on eat drink smoke. There are some things that are 482 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: simply undeniable about both Fingers and Woy and myself t 483 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: drink smoke. I'm Tony Katz, that is Fingers when I 484 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: find it all at Eat Drinksmoke show dot com. You 485 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: guys know that in our our day jobs and a 486 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: lot of things we do, we are absolutely people who 487 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: play in politics. Fingers does a weekend show in Michigan. 488 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: Fingers wrote for The Washington Times. I do a morning 489 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: radio show in Indianapolis. I have a naturally syndicated show. 490 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I do work on on cable news. We've consulted with 491 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: elected officials and and and others, uh think tanks. We've 492 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: done this. This this work. We don't we don't claim 493 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: it as our soul work. But we've absolutely done this work. 494 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: And on the radio side, we've done a ton If 495 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: you name the person, yeah, we've done that interview. I mean, 496 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: that's just clear, clear as day. The one thing that 497 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: we will discuss openly, honestly, clearly on this show and 498 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: any other show, without question, is that in the end 499 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: you learn that communism sucks. 500 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: This just in communism sucks. 501 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: It is awful, and everything about communism is based on 502 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: a lie, which is to say that you there is 503 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: no truth to be told, because communism is about control 504 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: and power, keeping that power, keeping people away from the power, 505 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: removing the people you think are a threat to the power, 506 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: and it is about creating amongst the people who it 507 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: is forced upon a level of unease and unease of 508 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: self and unease of others, where you're always have an 509 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: eye open, you always wonder who has an eye on you, 510 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: and you are trying to trade this lack of freedom 511 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: for some semblance of opportunity, and that's usually done by 512 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: abusing others or a using others, or oh, look at 513 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: what they're doing, so you can get some kind of 514 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: favorable thing, But then again the next day that's done 515 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: to you, so it doesn't last. Communism is pure, raw, 516 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: unadulterated evil. And I don't think i'm speaking out of 517 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: school fingers. I think I can say I'm speaking for you. 518 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: We don't apologize for a damn thing about it, And 519 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: in terms of speaking about it, we don't apologize for 520 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: saying it out loud, even on this show. I'm not 521 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: off base, No you're not. And was I not strong enough? 522 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: Oh, you were strong enough, and what's amazing about it 523 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: is the people that are willing to vote this in 524 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: don't realize that they're not going to be able to 525 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 2: vote it out. 526 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 1: And that, of course, is a major issue. This brings 527 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: us not to a story of American politics, but to 528 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: a story out of China. This was a Fortune magazine 529 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: writing this, China's youth unemployment is so bad that gen 530 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: Z job seekers are paying seven dollars a day to 531 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: pretend to work in an office. Now, let's at least 532 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: make sure we understand what we're talking about here. If 533 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: you believe that you understand the Chinese economy, it must 534 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: be understood that China lies about everything. I am not 535 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: discussing your neighbor. I'm discussing the communist Chinese Party. Everything 536 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: they say about job rates or a lie. Everything they 537 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: say about their economy is a lie. Everything they say 538 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: about unemployment is a lie. They're manufacturing over the last 539 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: couple of years has been dismal, never mind their own 540 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: lockdowns because of COVID. Global slowdowns have led to serious issues. 541 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: This is a country that has built ghost cities, apartment 542 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: complexes where the buildings are forty two stories high and 543 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: nobody lives there you have areas of China that have 544 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: a per capita income of six thousand US dollars a year, 545 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: and those cities have three international airports. What what you 546 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: Nobody needs convenience, Tony. They built them because they needed 547 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: to have their people have jobs. That was the promise 548 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: of communism. So you'll hear a lot of people say, well, 549 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: it brought a lot of people out of poverty. You 550 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: can make that argument, but you can't make that argument 551 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: on anything sound. That argument doesn't exist when you take 552 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: a look at long term ramifications that it doesn't last. 553 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: And it's all mythology. And one of the subjects that's 554 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: been coming up time and again regarding China is that 555 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: the youth, the workforce gen z or whatever you want 556 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: to call it, there are no jobs. There is nothing 557 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: that moves them. They quite literally are aimless and listless 558 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: and are engaging in very very almost childlike concepts in 559 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: order to find some level of happiness and enjoyment, which, 560 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: of course communism destroys the soul in their camuno enjoyment. 561 00:31:55,000 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: So this story is that the fourteen point five percent 562 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: of China's young professionals that can't find a gig fourteen 563 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: percent unemployment. We get to four percent unemployment like we 564 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: have right now in the US, and people are like, ooh, 565 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: that's a little high. Fourteen percent is an insane number. 566 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 2: It's probably more like thirty percent. 567 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: So they're spending their days, paying, paying to be in 568 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: a fake office to pretend like they're doing something with 569 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: their lives. I swear to you nothing explains Communism more 570 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: than that. 571 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: Isn't that well? Because when I first saw this piece, 572 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: I thought to myself, this is genius. I wish I 573 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 2: would have thought of something like this in the United 574 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 2: States until I thought for another twenty seconds and said 575 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 2: to myself, you have people in this country doing everything 576 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 2: they cannot to go to an office, so would not 577 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: be a spectacular business plan in the United States. But 578 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: you touched on something about what this has done to 579 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: that generation of Chinese people and Chinese citizens. And there's 580 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: another trend, uh that if they call them rat people. 581 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: Have you seen this? I've not heard that, so, uh, 582 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: it's a it's a trend in China where jobless gen 583 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: z people are spending their days in bed, rotting on 584 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: their phones to pass the time. And it was a 585 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: it was. 586 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: So same concept as I was discussing earlier, they there's 587 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: they have nothing to. 588 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: Do, no, so they're just scrolling through. And I believe 589 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: at one point it was a popular hashtag rat people 590 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: and you know, posting about what they're doing. Before I'm 591 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: sure the the Communist Party tried to do what they 592 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: kind of stop off that hashtag. But you go from 593 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 2: that to maybe people are sick and tired of laying 594 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: in bed all day that they're actually paying uh the 595 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 2: seven dollars a day, which you know, okay, in the 596 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: United States, seven dollars a day, that's a that's a Starbucks, right, 597 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: But when you see that people the nation's average non 598 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 2: private sector annual salary is just shy of seventeen or 599 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 2: sixteen thousand dollars seven bucks a day. That's a significant 600 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 2: amount of money. 601 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: This is a conversation about the purpose driven life. It 602 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: does not matter if you are a person of faith, 603 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: whether you are, whether you aren't. If you do not 604 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: have a purpose, there is no value to the life 605 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: and what we are seeing, what we are witnessing, and 606 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: I swear to you it is horrifying and I feel 607 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: for these people in a way that I cannot fully express. 608 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: The horror. This must be. But it's the only thing 609 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: that gives me hope for them, that they may actually 610 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: rise up and fight this horror that is being thrust 611 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: upon them. Because it is horror. Don't tell me about Oh, 612 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: they're making money, No they're not. They don't have lives, 613 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: they don't have a purpose. It is a rotting of 614 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: the soul. It is what is this? What is the 615 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: reason for this existence? Oh? My god, there's nothing more 616 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: horrifying to me. There is no horror movie, there is 617 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: no Saw movie that is as horrifying as this idea 618 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: of why do I even exist? 619 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,959 Speaker 2: Just think a radical an idea that is that people 620 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 2: are paying money to go to a faux office. 621 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: To feel something. Yeah, to feel like they're doing something, 622 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: they're contributing something. It is I often relate this to 623 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: the idea of our own prison system. It's not that 624 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: I oppose jails or prisons. It's not that there shouldn't 625 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: be prison sentences. It's not that some people should spend 626 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: their shouldn't spend the rest of their lives behind bars. 627 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: They have committed horrible crimes, they've been adjudicated guilty. Yes, 628 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: But if we don't have a prison system that focuses 629 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: on giving people skills so they can actually be a 630 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: part of society when they get out of prison. A purpose. 631 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 1: We're doing it wrong. We're just doing it wrong. It's 632 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: how many more ways we have to say this or 633 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: see this. It's a proven mistake. 634 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 2: Having a purpose is something that a human being needs. 635 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 2: It's why you see so many people who retire. Unfortunately 636 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 2: their whole identity was wrapped around their career and then 637 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: six months later they're dead. 638 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: That that's a better example. That is so true. And 639 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: everyone listening everyone needs drinksmaking was like, oh, I know 640 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: that guy, and in some cases it was your dad, 641 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: in some cases was an uncle, and some people know 642 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: in some cases it was them. That's that's it. The 643 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: Hugh Hamer Rum barrel finished sixty five dollars a bottle. 644 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: It's a lovely, lovely drink from the people West Fork Whiskey. 645 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: And this Tampa smoker from JC Newman twenty one dollars 646 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: a stick. You gotta try it for yourself. This is 647 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: he drink smoke