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Speaker 1: Uh what happened here with Joe Bachi first off, and

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Speaker 1: Now the when they placed him on IR in pardon

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Speaker 2: His numbers seem fine. Even his coverage numbers like next

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Speaker 1: Joe. When you go Home, Joeli Erickson is our guest

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Speaker 1: from the Indianapolis Star. When you go home at the

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Speaker 1: So Joe, here's the things. Since we're gonna let you

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Speaker 5: He's lifting up his legs. I can't see. Oh he's

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Speaker 5: Oh he's wearing Brewers socks.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah?

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Speaker 5: Oh is the Champagne ice tonight? Is it ready? Angel

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Speaker 1: Yes, my entire family are Cubs fans. I have nothing

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Speaker 1: And thank you for the abbreviated conversation and for talking fast.

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Speaker 1: Joel A. Erickson joining us put my shoeback on from

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Star. It's a rough day if your name

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Speaker 1: is Jake. If you're Jake Browning, you lost your gig

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Speaker 1: you're doing the show and Eddie forgets to call people. Right,

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Speaker 7: The most ventilating radio.

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Speaker 6: The number that usually calls me Eddie dialed in on

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Speaker 1: Pat, Let me let me share with you one thing

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Speaker 7: But it's all we have right now. It's all we

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Speaker 7: That the Pacers like to run. So yeah, there may.

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Speaker 7: And I thought he showed it in those nineteen minutes

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Speaker 1: I thought, last night, Pat Boyling is our guest. He's

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Speaker 1: Pat. I want you to think back to last year. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Correct? Last year's correct, this year's Pacers team. No. Tyree's

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Speaker 7: That not on air earlier this morning.

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Speaker 1: The Atlanta Hawks are a year ago.

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Speaker 7: I would also like to think they're above that.

441
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Speaker 1: Okay. The Memphis Grizzlies of a year ago.

442
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's a tough one because they went through

443
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Speaker 6: just so many injuries but came out in a pretty

444
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Speaker 6: good spot.

445
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Speaker 7: Forty seven maybe.

446
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Speaker 1: Wins forty eight?

447
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Speaker 7: Yeah, forty eight.

448
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Speaker 6: And then obviously just the gauntlet that is the Western Conference.

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Speaker 6: If you're asking me if you could give the Pacers

450
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Speaker 6: forty eight wins right now?

451
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Speaker 7: Would I take it? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Orlando Magic of a year.

453
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Speaker 9: Ago, Yeah, that's that's a decent comp maybe on where

454
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Speaker 9: they landed, although again another year where they were just dismantled.

455
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Speaker 1: Here's the Eieson I mentioned it, Pat like, I don't

456
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Speaker 1: know if you have big you know, vacationing plans coming

457
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Speaker 1: up during the holidays, probably tough for you to do

458
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Speaker 1: during the NBA season or at the end of the year,

459
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Speaker 1: right And I'm not anybody it would be irresponsible to

460
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Speaker 1: me to sit here and tell people to gamble per se.

461
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Speaker 1: But I'm willing to push all in on the thirty

462
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Speaker 1: eight and a half over under for Indiana this year.

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Speaker 1: I just think it's insane. Who is who is watching

464
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Speaker 1: this group? Who is watching Obi Toppin, who was watching

465
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Speaker 1: TJ McConnell, who was watching Andrew Neimhard, Pascal Siakam and

466
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Speaker 1: saying to themselves, yeah, that's a thirty seven win team.

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Speaker 1: What I think? It's ludicrous? Last night to me, I'm

468
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Speaker 1: looking at him going, yeah, forty two to forty five

469
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Speaker 1: probably right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I completely agree. You know, I will just add

471
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Speaker 6: the asterisk for myself that I very clearly cannot give gambling.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm not either. I mean, listen, I'm not either.

473
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying the I think they are, and this

474
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Speaker 1: is to shift that conversation away from that legal aspect

475
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Speaker 1: of it. You know, Andrew Nemhart for example. I think

476
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Speaker 1: it was Aaron Nesmith, who I haven't even mentioned yet,

477
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Speaker 1: but Aaron Nismith I think is one that was like, yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we've been under sold every year. People

479
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Speaker 1: expect less of us every single year, so we're comfortable

480
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Speaker 1: with that. It just feels to me like a year

481
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Speaker 1: where people are sleeping on them. I'm not saying they're

482
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Speaker 1: gonna win the East, but I think they're gonna make

483
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Speaker 1: the playoffs if they're healthy.

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Speaker 6: I think, yes, that last part is exactly what I

485
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Speaker 6: was gonna say, if they get a reasonable amount of health.

486
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Speaker 6: Not no team goes through the year healthy, but if

487
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Speaker 6: they have a reasonable amount of health and don't experience

488
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Speaker 6: some severe health issues, I completely agree with that. And

489
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Speaker 6: you just look at the core of this team. I mean,

490
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Speaker 6: we all understand how important Tyrese Haliburton is to the Pacers,

491
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Speaker 6: and I think that the biggest thing that Tyre's Halliburton

492
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Speaker 6: doesn't get enough credit for is the fact that every

493
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Speaker 6: player around him when they come here or he comes

494
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Speaker 6: and the players already there, they seem to have kind

495
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Speaker 6: of a career year or a career few years. So

496
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Speaker 6: I do think that is something to watch because all

497
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Speaker 6: these guys have been playing so well, and I think

498
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Speaker 6: a big part of that is just the elite level

499
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Speaker 6: connector that Tyree Saalibon is. That said, this group got

500
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Speaker 6: to Game seven of the NBA Finals not just because

501
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Speaker 6: of Tyris Halliburt. He had some incredible shots, had a

502
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Speaker 6: great playoffs, but not just because of Tyres Haliburt, And

503
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Speaker 6: it was because of their death and not just their depth,

504
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Speaker 6: but how many high level players that they could move

505
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Speaker 6: in and move out of that top seven, top eight rotation.

506
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Speaker 6: And you know, you look at the core of guys

507
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Speaker 6: that are still available even without Turner and without Aliburton,

508
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Speaker 6: you know, you're talking about guys that were really proven

509
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Speaker 6: players in the playoffs. Andrew Nemhard, Benedict Mathniel Mathern helped

510
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Speaker 6: it win the Pacers game number three. Aaron nee Smith,

511
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Speaker 6: Pascal Siakam speaks for himself. Obi Toppin TJ McConnell, Jerris Walker,

512
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Speaker 6: Ben Shepherd, Johnny Furphy. I mean, you can even you

513
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Speaker 6: can play that game. And it's amazing that you can

514
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Speaker 6: do this because the last couple of years around this time,

515
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Speaker 6: all the questions that you know, I got on the

516
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Speaker 6: radio interviews that I did, were how are the Pacers

517
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Speaker 6: going to fit all these guys.

518
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Speaker 7: Into the rotation?

519
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Speaker 6: They had eleven, maybe even twelve guys who were capable

520
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Speaker 6: of being in a rotation. Well, you still I'd have

521
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Speaker 6: got that problem because and it's a good problem because

522
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Speaker 6: even with those two out, I think I just named

523
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Speaker 6: nine guys right there, and there's probably another guy or too,

524
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Speaker 6: Jay Huffidiah Jackson. I mean you can get to again

525
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Speaker 6: eleven or twelve guys that are probably worthy of rotational minutes,

526
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Speaker 6: and so their depths I think has the potential to

527
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Speaker 6: be very good. I think they've lost some of their

528
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Speaker 6: margin for error for injuries, and I think that can

529
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Speaker 6: be you know, maybe the biggest challenge to this season

530
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Speaker 6: is if the injury luck were to continue to go poorly,

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Speaker 6: you just don't have, you know, quite the depth that

532
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Speaker 6: you did last year. But there's no question to me

533
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Speaker 6: and no doubt in my mind, if this team experience

534
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Speaker 6: is a reasonable amount of health with the core they

535
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Speaker 6: had together, it's still plenty plenty good enough to make

536
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Speaker 6: the playoffs. And and this team the last couple of

537
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Speaker 6: years has shown you that it's a fool's errand to

538
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Speaker 6: put some sort of ceiling on it. You wouldn't have

539
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Speaker 6: guessed the Pacers did what they did last year, and

540
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Speaker 6: you wouldn't have guessed the Pacers would have done what

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Speaker 6: they did the year before either.

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Speaker 1: Pat lastly, in this this is the most important question

543
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Speaker 1: of the day. If you could get in your size

544
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Speaker 1: of the just a pair of the shoe that any

545
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Speaker 1: pacer player wears, which one would you go with?

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Speaker 7: I think I should probably.

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Speaker 6: I will start this by saying I am not a

548
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Speaker 6: sneaker head, so I'm probably not the best person to

549
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Speaker 6: ask this, but I would. I should probably say then

550
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Speaker 6: Tyree Saliburt shoe, right, So I'll take Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. I I think and listen,

552
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Speaker 1: I understand. I mean, there was you know, it's cool

553
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Speaker 1: the marketing promotion they did and all of that, simply

554
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Speaker 1: esthetically speaking. And I think maybe part of this is

555
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Speaker 1: just because, like you know, when I go to bed

556
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Speaker 1: at night, I wear Aaron Nee Smith pajamas because I

557
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: have like he's my favorite player, right, I make no

558
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: bones about it, but I think Nie Smith has a

559
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Speaker 1: very Those new balance that he has are extremely underrated.

560
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Speaker 1: They're kind of a neon and like light blue mixture.

561
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Speaker 1: And we had them on and I told him I

562
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Speaker 1: thought they were the best shoe on the roster. And

563
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Speaker 1: now I'm looking and I don't think they sell them anymore.

564
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: And I was I was late to the party. That's

565
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Speaker 1: kind of par for the course.

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Speaker 6: For me, you know, well, as it relates to this,

567
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Speaker 6: I'm not even late to the party.

568
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Speaker 7: I never got to the party, but.

569
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Speaker 6: I will pay more attention. It's just something that, for

570
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Speaker 6: whatever reason, it doesn't register in my brain.

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Speaker 1: And I'm kind of with you on that. I'm not

572
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Speaker 1: like a I've never really understood the hole I'm going

573
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Speaker 1: to buy that shoe just because my favorite player wears it. Guy,

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Speaker 1: Even though I just said that about Nie Smith, I

575
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Speaker 1: really liked the shoe that he wears. I think they're

576
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Speaker 1: cool looking. But when I go to games, I oftentimes

577
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Speaker 1: say to the people I'm sitting with, Okay, if you

578
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Speaker 1: could pick the shoe of any guy on the floor

579
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Speaker 1: right now? Which one do you like the most? And

580
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Speaker 1: invariably it's more about the one that I find tolerable

581
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Speaker 1: versus the like seven on the floor I find absurd.

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Speaker 6: You know what, I will, I will do my best

583
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Speaker 6: this year to keep that in the front of my

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Speaker 6: mind as a watching these games, because hopefully gets you

585
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Speaker 6: a better answer, because this has been just uh, you know,

586
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 6: a whole lot of filibustering from me. But yeah, give me,

587
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 6: give me a couple of months on this season, maybe

588
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 6: even a few weeks, and I'll get you a better act.

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Speaker 1: I think John J and V like Siakam's shoes, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: who do you go with?

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Speaker 5: I don't really care. I don't pay attention. I'm not

592
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Speaker 5: a sneaker head.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks.

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Speaker 7: It's a little harder in Eddie's defense. It's a little

595
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 7: harder in his position.

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Speaker 1: True, very very good point. That's fair. Eddie also took

597
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Speaker 1: the day off today, Pat, so I mean that that.

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Speaker 1: You know that helps?

599
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Speaker 7: Like he put last night off too. He's on a roll.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right, Pat. We appreciate it as always, man,

601
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Speaker 1: look forward to talking to you over the course of

602
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Speaker 1: the season.

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00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 7: Likewise, appreciate you guys.

604
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Speaker 1: Pat Boy than joining us on the Java House Peel

605
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Speaker 1: and poor guest line. I'm telling you, I am you

606
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Speaker 1: are hearing the voice right now of one of the

607
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Speaker 1: seven people probably on Earth that as a kid, we

608
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Speaker 1: would have spam. I mean, I realize now it was

609
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Speaker 1: an economic thing from my parents, but I loved it.

610
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: I love spam. I don't think there's probably much nutritional

611
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: value in anything that. Actually you could open a can

612
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Speaker 1: right now that was produced in nineteen fifty eight and

613
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: it would still be fine. But I love it. I

614
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: think it tastes good, but it's probably not the healthiest thing.

615
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm not totally aware. Probably not a lot of elite

616
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: athletes are eating spam, but elite athletes, when it comes

617
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Speaker 1: time for any sort of treatment athletically speaking for training,

618
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Speaker 1: would be familiar with Ralph Reef because he's been doing

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Speaker 1: it since nineteen eighty one. Reef Executive Performance Solutions is

620
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: where he can now be found. He is organized and

621
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Speaker 1: put together the training staff for five different final fours

622
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Speaker 1: for US Track and Field Olympic Trials, World Basketball Championships,

623
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Speaker 1: the Olympic Games, you name it. Ralph Reef is the guy,

624
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Speaker 1: and so he joins US once again on the Java

625
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Speaker 1: House Peel and Port guest Line to talk about some

626
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Speaker 1: of the different injuries that we're hearing about in Sport today. Ralph,

627
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Speaker 1: first off, welcome back. I know you were just on

628
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: vacation and it looked spectacular.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was absolutely wonderful. My wife and I was

630
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: a bucket list trip to drive through the western southwestern

631
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Speaker 4: corner of Colorado and we hit the aspen trees at

632
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Speaker 4: their brilliance. It was. It was really great. But hey,

633
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Speaker 4: let's talk about let's talk about spam. So in nineteen eighty,

634
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: my roommate at Miami of Ohio, I was in graduate school.

635
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Speaker 4: We didn't have two nickels to rub together, so we

636
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Speaker 4: would walk to the Kroger in Oxford, Ohio and buy

637
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Speaker 4: a couple of boxes of macaroni and cheese, which were

638
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Speaker 4: about seventy nine cents a box, and we would buy

639
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: the tin containers of spam to forget the cost. But

640
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: we could eat pretty efficiently a macaroni and cheese and

641
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Speaker 4: spam in graduate school.

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00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Listen, so are you number six in terms of the

643
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Speaker 1: fact that you will admit that you like spam?

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Speaker 4: I ate it, and I would admit that I tolerated

645
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: it and joined. We cooked it every way you could.

646
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: We sliced it and grilled it, and we actually baked it.

647
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: We did everything you could do.

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Speaker 1: Spam including you know, and I've always, Ralph, I've always

649
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: wondered when you probably just could have said, you know,

650
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: like had it sitting out and now forty five years

651
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: later it would still be there and good right along

652
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: with your twinkies. But you know, he tasted good. And

653
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: like I said, I realized now when I look back

654
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: on it, that my parents were playing the same economic games, right,

655
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Speaker 1: But you knew what you got to do. Uh. I

656
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Speaker 1: want to begin with this one because we had a

657
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Speaker 1: scary incident that took place in the WNBA when Kelsey

658
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Speaker 1: Mitchell got you know, goes down and who has been

659
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Speaker 1: a great player for the fever, And initially it was

660
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Speaker 1: just okay, she's got severe cramping. Then we found out

661
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Speaker 1: and thank goodness that they were able to get on

662
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Speaker 1: this quickly. But it was a more complex issue than that.

663
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Speaker 1: What exactly was it that took place?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a very rare situation that occurs from

665
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Speaker 4: within the course of competition or within practice. Rab doough

666
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Speaker 4: myele isis referred to short term as RAB dough is,

667
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 4: it's an injury to the muscle of skeletal muscles. So

668
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Speaker 4: the skeletal muscles primarily occurs in the big thick muscles

669
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Speaker 4: of the biceps, the chest, the quadriceps, and what happens

670
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Speaker 4: is that there's sort of three phases that the muscles

671
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Speaker 4: go through. From an injury standpoint, you can get cramps,

672
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Speaker 4: muscle cramps from lack of fluid, or they're just the

673
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: muscles get fatigued and they cramp. That's you're over that

674
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Speaker 4: pretty easy. The second one is that we see often

675
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Speaker 4: and you've probably experienced this getting back into training, or

676
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Speaker 4: you finish the mini marathon and a day or two

677
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Speaker 4: later you're still pretty sore. That's called delayed on set

678
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Speaker 4: muscular soreness DOMS the MS. The third level you get

679
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Speaker 4: to is rabdo myolysis, and rabdomyolysis is where the cells

680
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Speaker 4: within the muscle tissue basically explode due to intramuscular pressure

681
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Speaker 4: and it releases everything within the cells and then the

682
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Speaker 4: body responds to that as a toxin and the body

683
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Speaker 4: becomes very allergic, if you will, to what the proteins

684
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Speaker 4: and the electrolytes that are pushed out into the blood system.

685
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Speaker 4: So yeah, great job by doctor Amy Corrigan who's the

686
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Speaker 4: team physician for them, and Todd Champlain and to recognize

687
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Speaker 4: that it takes a little bit of time and because

688
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Speaker 4: you know, Kelsey's obviously something didn't respond right, like I

689
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Speaker 4: read they gave her ivy fluids, okay, and maybe that

690
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Speaker 4: didn't take well, and all of a sudden she's still

691
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Speaker 4: complaining or she can't function, and then it becomes pretty painful.

692
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Speaker 4: And so it typically occurs, Jake, you may if you

693
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Speaker 4: went in and studied it, or maybe somebody listening was

694
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Speaker 4: a part of a training program where their strength and

695
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Speaker 4: conditioning program took them to a level of failure or fatigue,

696
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Speaker 4: and the muscles can get that intracellular pressure and can

697
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Speaker 4: basically rupture and all that fluid rushes into the bloodstream

698
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Speaker 4: and acts as a toxic chemical to the body, so

699
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Speaker 4: very dangerous.

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Speaker 1: For a patient that gets at ralph Is it something

701
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Speaker 1: that typically is an anomaly or is it, unfortunately the

702
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Speaker 1: introduction to something that can be chronic.

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Speaker 4: No, it's it's not a chronic condition. And you know,

704
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Speaker 4: I just keep thinking, how did this occur? This is

705
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: really unusual because within a game within a contest, and

706
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Speaker 4: so you go back and you look at the level

707
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Speaker 4: of intensity of play of Kelsey, and just from a spectator,

708
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Speaker 4: you know she's she plays hard. I have no idea

709
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Speaker 4: about her lifestyle. I have no idea about if she

710
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Speaker 4: had trouble sleeping the night before, you know, you would think,

711
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Speaker 4: you know, they had about fifty hours five zero hours

712
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Speaker 4: between the end of their game four and then they

713
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Speaker 4: fly to Vegas and you've got a full day off,

714
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: well not off, but but you're not playing, and so

715
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Speaker 4: something occurred within her system unbeknownst to her. It could

716
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Speaker 4: have been a factor of fatigue, lack of sleep, could

717
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Speaker 4: have been altitude, could have been from the airplane I'm

718
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 4: talking about, and it could have been a low hydration factor,

719
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Speaker 4: could have been a number of things that just created

720
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Speaker 4: the perfect storm. And yeah, they're in the middle of

721
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Speaker 4: a third period. She bails out. And it was interesting

722
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Speaker 4: in watching the game how she sort of stopped like

723
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Speaker 4: she was stunned and asked the official for help because

724
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Speaker 4: that was the closest person to her. And then then

725
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Speaker 4: she just sort of sat down and and it was

726
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Speaker 4: it was odd when I saw that, But then again,

727
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Speaker 4: you know, Okay, they do the right thing from television view, right,

728
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: they think it's a dehydration, so let's go ahead and

729
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Speaker 4: put an IV in her. Well, maybe that didn't work

730
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Speaker 4: best at the arena, so they go to the hospital

731
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Speaker 4: and then they probably did some blood tests and so

732
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Speaker 4: forth and figured out, yeah, we've got rabdo here, and

733
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Speaker 4: so then it's just a matter of continue, you need

734
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Speaker 4: to hydrate, nutrition, rest, recovery. There will be some period

735
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Speaker 4: of time where she has to readjust to resistance training,

736
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Speaker 4: but that's pretty quickly, you know, that'll be a quick

737
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Speaker 4: off season.

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Speaker 1: And is it possible ninety days, Is it possible that

739
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Speaker 1: that our weekend warriors that are on the treadmill or

740
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Speaker 1: just you know, prepping for a run or just trying

741
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Speaker 1: to stay in shape could experience this and not realize

742
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Speaker 1: that they are experiencing it and then the body just

743
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: naturally works itself through it. Or is it basically a

744
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: muscular paralysis where the body says, look, you didn't hey, dumb, dumb,

745
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: you didn't see what I'm trying to tell you here,

746
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna let it be known and then

747
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Speaker 1: you immediately have to get treatment for it.

748
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the second one. It's painful. You have a

749
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 4: lack of control over your extremities, your large muscle groups.

750
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Speaker 4: You might have a it might be let's say in

751
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 4: your biceps, and all of a sudden you've got dinosaur arms.

752
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: You can't extend your arm because your bicep is contracted

753
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 4: and in a state of shock. So it's a it's rare,

754
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: it's extreme. We like to think it should never happen.

755
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: But the human body is amazing and she'll she'll recover.

756
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, now let's get to because you talk about

757
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: the human body and just you know, it's amazing, right

758
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's a little bit ralph like

759
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: when you were just an aspen and you're looking at

760
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: the beauty of the leaves that are changing, right, because

761
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: what makes that tapestry so amazing is that every leaf

762
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Speaker 1: is different. And in some cases medically speaking, I'm not

763
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Speaker 1: a doctor, but there are some things where every case

764
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Speaker 1: is different, every person in every body is different. And

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Speaker 1: that's to some extent, can be the concussion protocol. And

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00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: we see with Alec Pierce where people would say, well,

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Speaker 1: how do you go from concussion protocol to practicing to

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Speaker 1: back into the concussion protocol. I would imagine that is

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Speaker 1: one where there's kind of a a last frontier there,

770
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: right of trying to navigate through what they're looking for,

771
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: and still a lot of uncertainty with that. Is that

772
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Speaker 1: fair to.

773
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Speaker 4: Say, Yeah, there's a there's a pretty black and white

774
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 4: protocol within the NFL that you have to pass five stages.

775
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: They refer to the as five stages. The first stages

776
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 4: is on field management, whether that's at practice or within

777
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: a game, and so really the other four have to

778
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 4: do with some type of activity. And so if he's

779
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Speaker 4: listed as going to be in practice today, that means

780
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Speaker 4: he's either doing sports specific growth, which would be the

781
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 4: fourth stage, or he would be in full contact, which

782
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: would be the fifth and final stage. So if regardless

783
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: of which stage he is in, he will then have

784
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: a period of time in which he will be observed

785
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 4: or he will self report with Usually it's a twenty

786
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: four hour window. So if they practice today, they get done,

787
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 4: let's say four o'clock, he's gone through full contact. Then

788
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: by you know, tomorrow morning, they come back to the complex, Hey,

789
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 4: how you're doing, And it's not just a hey, how

790
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: you're doing, and they walk by the training room door.

791
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 4: There's protocol of evaluation. There's a baseline that he'll be

792
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: compared against, and that baseline can be a neurocognitive test,

793
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 4: it can be a balance test, it can be a

794
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 4: visual exam, it can take a look at the very technically,

795
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 4: you can look at the eye and determine its movements

796
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 4: on a microscopic level to see how the brain is

797
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: responding to that activity. So it's a very precise protocol,

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00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 4: and we've gotten really past the stage of relying upon

799
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: the players perception of how they feel. There are a

800
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Speaker 4: lot of objective tests. I don't know if you remember back,

801
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: I've lost track of time here, but reportedly Peyton Manning said, hey,

802
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: I feel fine, right, and.

803
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Speaker 1: I remember this, and didn't he make the wise crack

804
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Speaker 1: that he initially tanked the precursor test so that there

805
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Speaker 1: would be a lower bar for him. And then people

806
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: are like, whoa wait a minute, and then he, you know,

807
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: said listen, I was right exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Made a big impact on all of us in

809
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Speaker 4: the healthcare field.

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Speaker 1: Believe me, I'll bet yeah. Ralph Reef is our guest,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Ralph Reef dot com. That's r E

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Speaker 1: I F F. Where you can uh see about everything

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Speaker 1: that he does. Also find out in the areas in

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Speaker 1: which you might be able to get a hold of

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Speaker 1: him with Ralph with REEF Executive Performance Solutions Ralph. Last

816
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Speaker 1: one would be with Tyre's Halliburton. And I know that

817
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Speaker 1: you and I want to make this disclaimer you are

818
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Speaker 1: not specifically working with or on Tyre's Halliburton, but from

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Speaker 1: you know, an observational standpoint with a least in terms

820
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Speaker 1: of the update. I know we've talked to you about

821
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: this before. We are now and it's hard to believe

822
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: this what probably three and a half months or so

823
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Speaker 1: removed from that injury, we've started to see video of

824
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Speaker 1: him just kind of you know, with a little bit

825
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Speaker 1: more freedom of range of motion. From your observation, does

826
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Speaker 1: that appear to be basically on schedule, ahead of schedule,

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Speaker 1: or even behind schedule on what we are accustomed to

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Speaker 1: for that injury.

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Speaker 4: He's in a window that I would say predictable on schedule. Okay,

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Speaker 4: So and I say that going back to all right,

831
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Speaker 4: you have a discussion with the surgeon, the surgeon and

832
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: the rehabilitation team to say, hey, here's our typical pattern

833
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: that we see with this and I would say based

834
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Speaker 4: on number of days, the injury, the surgery date, and

835
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Speaker 4: so forth, he is in that window of predicted pace

836
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Speaker 4: of return.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you ever go camping out and aspen

838
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: again to read take in all of the beauty. Now

839
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: that your bucket list is complete. You know what's an

840
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: excellent morning camping meal? Spam? Just so you know, right, you.

841
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 4: Know, well, I've experienced it all three meals of the day,

842
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: and spam if you dice it up and put it

843
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 4: in that macaroni and cheese, My lord, is that something?

844
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

845
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: Hey, but it never beats Java house right.

846
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Ralph, Yes, I love it. That's exactly correct.

847
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: You always got to have a pod of that Liquid

848
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: Science hydration pod with you.

849
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Speaker 1: This is unbelievable, I'm telling you. And it is does it?

850
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: And it's economy like spam, it's economic, right, because it's economical.

851
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: Can you just pour the pod in water and you're

852
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: good to go and it's easy peasy for the kids

853
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: and everybody. Right, it's recycling.

854
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had we had Carpenter and Tim Broyle's you know,

855
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: showing me that stuff at one of the races. I

856
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 4: was like, really, it comes out of that pod really

857
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 4: and it tastes good, he says. Ralph poured over that

858
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 4: ice and I was hooked on that ice tea, and man,

859
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: it is great stuff it is.

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Speaker 1: I love it, Ralph, absolutely love it. All right, Ralph,

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00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: we appreciate it. As always. We would love to have

862
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: you back on. It is always good information. And I

863
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: could listen to you the read the phone book to me,

864
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: so I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: You're very welcome, Jake.

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00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: Ralphree of joining us on the program. Really good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor is the voice of the Colts, and of course,

868
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Speaker 1: as you just heard, he fills us in on what's

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Speaker 1: happening on West fifty six brought to you by Shelby Materials.

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Speaker 1: He is on the Java House peeling for a guest line. Matt,

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Speaker 1: I'll begin with asking this what's happening on West fifty sixth?

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Speaker 3: All right? Now, we are doing some practicing in the

873
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Speaker 3: background here and getting ready for a Cardinals team that's

874
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Speaker 3: coming in two and three, and they've lost three in

875
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Speaker 3: a row, heartbreaking fashion. They've lost three straight games, as

876
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm sure on last second field goals. So

877
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: they got a really good defense. Offense is kind of middling,

878
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Speaker 3: right now, and you know, dealing with some injuries. But yeah,

879
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Speaker 3: it's a really important week to you know, keep on

880
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Speaker 3: going and make making sure the complacency doesn't set in

881
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Speaker 3: and another chance to get a victory in front of

882
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Speaker 3: the home crowd.

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Speaker 1: And one of the players that will be keeping an

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Speaker 1: eye on, whether it be Kyler Murray, we keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on a foot injury for him. The playmaker for

886
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals at quarterback, Jacoby Brissett would be as backup

887
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Speaker 1: if Murray can't go. One of those that would have

888
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Speaker 1: been keeping an eye on that would be the linebacker

889
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Speaker 1: Joe Bachi for the Colts. The announcement earlier today that

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Speaker 1: he goes to IR Matt. Has there been any clarification

891
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Speaker 1: on what that injury was.

892
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Speaker 3: No, I'm I'm I'm kind of wondering that too. I mean,

893
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Speaker 3: they they said undisclosed, So I mean we'll find out

894
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Speaker 3: perhaps more coming up on Friday when Shane Stiken meets

895
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Speaker 3: with the media again before the game on Sunday. But yeah,

896
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Speaker 3: that one, I mean went from you know, went from

897
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Speaker 3: from going on John should say having an injury to

898
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Speaker 3: going on IR you know obviously had kind of an

899
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Speaker 3: up and down game last week with the penalties and

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Speaker 3: you know, had the big holding call and the kickoff

901
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Speaker 3: return on the ninety eight yarder that would have been

902
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 3: on the return by Ashton Dowland. But so they bring

903
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Speaker 3: in Jermaine Pratt and that's kind of a mystery too

904
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Speaker 3: because Pratt, you know, played basically every snap the week

905
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Speaker 3: before for the Raiders and they're lost to the Bears,

906
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Speaker 3: and then you know, didn't make that trip. They came

907
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Speaker 3: out early, I understand, on Friday, you know, get ready

908
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Speaker 3: for that game last week at Lucas Oil Stadium, and

909
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Speaker 3: he didn't make the trip, and so you know that

910
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Speaker 3: one's kind of curious as to you know, what's going

911
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Speaker 3: on there. Why did he make the trip, But you

912
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Speaker 3: know they said it was for personal reasons. And then

913
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Speaker 3: you know, being picked up by the Colts today, it's

914
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Speaker 3: kind of a mystery on three different levels. A third

915
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Speaker 3: phase of that is who's going to play linebacker next

916
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Speaker 3: to Zaire Franklin. It's been kind of a revolving cast

917
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Speaker 3: of players at that position this year. I mean Chad

918
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: Moomas played some Austin and GK Cameron mcgrone is no

919
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: longer on the team. I think that's one of the

920
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Speaker 3: you know, the few spots on defense they're still trying

921
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Speaker 3: to figure out and solidify, you know, that will linebacker

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Speaker 3: spot next to Zire Franklin.

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Speaker 1: You know, and Matt, we've talked about this before, but

924
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Speaker 1: I want you to to opine on it. Is we

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Speaker 1: talk about offensive line a lot in terms of you

926
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Speaker 1: and I've had this discussion the fact that I just

927
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Speaker 1: think it's a position where continuity and understanding of tendency

928
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Speaker 1: of the guy lined up next to you is so important, right,

929
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: So it's hard sometimes it's hard to just air drop

930
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: in alignment, right because so much of it is reliant

931
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: on cohesiveness. Would you put linebacker in that same category

932
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: or is that Is it a unit where no matter

933
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Speaker 1: who you put in there, Zire Franklin, they're not as

934
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Speaker 1: it's they're not as reliant on tendency of what's happening

935
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Speaker 1: next to them.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it is important. You know, I think

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00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: Zire Franklin's played enough football. You know, he's almost has

938
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Speaker 3: one hundred games in the NFL and you know, close

939
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Speaker 3: to around seventy starts, you know, so he's played enough

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Speaker 3: football to be instinctual. But no matter who you're going

941
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Speaker 3: to put him next to you know, he's still to

942
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Speaker 3: be productive. But you know, I do think there is

943
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Speaker 3: something too. You know, when that defense was humming back

944
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Speaker 3: in the day and that had two healthy linebackers and

945
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Speaker 3: Zaire Franklin and Shack Leonard, I mean, they just fed

946
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Speaker 3: off each other. And I think it's important to know

947
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Speaker 3: who you're playing next to, uh, in the middle of

948
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Speaker 3: that defense, because I think instinctually, you know, in the

949
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Speaker 3: back of your mind, you know when you can maybe

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Speaker 3: take a chance, right, maybe when you can, you know,

951
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Speaker 3: go inside a block. Not that you're taught to do that,

952
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Speaker 3: but like, hey, if you get into a bind, you know,

953
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Speaker 3: maybe you go inside a block when you're not supposed

954
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Speaker 3: to because you know that you can trust that the

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Speaker 3: guy next to you, you know, he's going to be

956
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Speaker 3: in the right place, right. I mean, sometimes it's about

957
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 3: setting the edge and sometimes it's about forcing things back

958
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 3: into the rest of that defense. You know, maybe it's uh,

959
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're being sent on a blitz and

960
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: you can trust that you know, if this guy, you

961
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Speaker 3: know leaves his position, I got you covered and vice versa.

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Speaker 3: So I do think it's important, you know, I think

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Speaker 3: offensive line and linebacker is one of those positions where

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Speaker 3: you need newity and trust and you know, just a

965
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Speaker 3: lot of experience playing next to one another. So you know,

966
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Speaker 3: that's that's the biggest thing the cult are still looking for, because,

967
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Speaker 3: like I said, it's it's been you know, a different

968
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Speaker 3: cast of character seemingly every week. And it's not even just.

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Speaker 7: Week by week.

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00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: It's like down by down, series by series where you know,

971
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Speaker 3: you're just trying to you know, from my perspective, you know,

972
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Speaker 3: you're looking at who's in the game and scanning the field,

973
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Speaker 3: and seemingly, you know, every other play there's a different

974
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Speaker 3: linebacker in next to playing next to Zaire Franklin based

975
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Speaker 3: on the situation of the game.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things where I feel for

977
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Speaker 1: you is it'd be nice for you if one of

978
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: these guys one of these days they could just sign

979
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: like Bill Smith. Right, they got some tricky names in

980
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: there for you, Right, They throw you some curveballs, man.

981
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Speaker 3: Well, the Raiders had a bunch too. I mean they

982
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 3: had some guys brought up off the practice squad that

983
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: played a lot on Sunday. You know, a guy that

984
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Speaker 3: was brought up off the practice squad Saturday and thankfully

985
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 3: I kind of had familiar with them. Was al A

986
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Speaker 3: Kuwei Budam, who's a tight end. He was actually with

987
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: the Colts for a couple of weeks during training camp

988
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: before they started playing preseason games. So, you know, you

989
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: and I talked about this a lot. I mean, it's

990
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 3: the game is way more international now and every team

991
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: has it.

992
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: They play, they're gonna find you, man.

993
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 7: That's it.

994
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: That's it. And you know, you got to stay on

995
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 3: top of your your fanatics, if you will, because each

996
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: team has, you know, five or six guys that you know,

997
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: they got some tough syllable pronunciation, and they play and

998
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 3: they're gonna make a difference, and it's your job to

999
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: try to get it right.

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00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: Matt, when I was you've seen the movie The Hangover,

1001
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: right obviously?

1002
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1003
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt Taylor, I guess the voice of the Colts.

1004
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: When I went to go see The Hangover, I knew

1005
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: nothing about it going in. I was on a family vacation.

1006
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: Everybody else was doing something else. I'm like, God, I'm

1007
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna go to a movie. And I went to the

1008
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Speaker 1: theater and I knew nothing about this movie and I'm

1009
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Speaker 1: watching it and as as the movie's going on. Part

1010
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: of the fun of it was just I was like, man,

1011
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about this and it's just this NonStop

1012
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: thrill ride of just the next scene was more fun

1013
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: than the first, right, And that's what a Doug And

1014
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: that's what makes it great, right exactly right, Like, hey, man,

1015
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: he'll be your Doug.

1016
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 3: Right.

1017
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: So, having said that, tell me the movie that fits

1018
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Speaker 1: into that. For you. Tell me a movie that you

1019
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: went into it and you knew nothing about it, and

1020
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: then the whole time you're just going, man, I don't

1021
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: know how I didn't know about this, but this is great.

1022
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: Like you want me to give you a movie or

1023
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: a Colts Player that fits that.

1024
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: Well, So there's a reason I'm going with that because

1025
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: so we'll skip the movie portion of it, right, Well,

1026
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: give me the movie, give me the movie.

1027
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Speaker 3: Well this is I mean, you know, I was really young.

1028
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: I think I was probably like seven or eight, and

1029
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure it was like in the dog days of

1030
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 3: the summer, you know, when your mom's like ready to

1031
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: pull her hair out and kick you out of the

1032
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 3: kick you out of the house, you know, waiting for

1033
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: school to start. So one day she packs us up

1034
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: and we go to the movies, and you know, you're

1035
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: supposed to, like when your mom takes you to the

1036
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: movie theater, you're supposed to go see a kid's movie. Right, Yeah,

1037
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: Well I think she was just like so frustrated, Like

1038
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: I got to get out of the house, and you

1039
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: guys are coming with me, and we're just gonna go

1040
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 3: see a movie. I think that's what it was. So

1041
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 3: we go see again. I'm very young, but I remember

1042
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: it distinctly because I don't remember anything about like hearing

1043
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: about this movie before it. But we go see A

1044
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: League of our Own and I knew it was a

1045
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: baseball movie, but I didn't know anything about it. And

1046
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's still one of my favorite movies to

1047
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 3: this day because of that story, like going in blind,

1048
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 3: didn't know anything about it, and it still resonates, still hits,

1049
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 3: you know, to this day. Tom Hanks one of his

1050
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: best movies ever.

1051
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: It is a great movie, for sure. Filmed in southern Indiana. Okay.

1052
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: So having said that is the Daniel Jones Colts season

1053
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: right now, exactly that and the fact that you're sitting

1054
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: there and you're going I had no idea it was

1055
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: going to go this way. I had no idea it

1056
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: was going to be this enjoyable. But I'm just gonna

1057
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: sit back right now and enjoy what's taking place, because

1058
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: this is a pleasant surprise where each scene seemingly is

1059
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: better than the one before it.

1060
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Speaker 3: Man, Jake, you couldn't have put it any better. I mean,

1061
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: what you're getting right now out of Daniel Jones, even

1062
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: the most optimistic Daniel Jones supporters could not have seen

1063
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: this coming. The NFL put out a stat I think

1064
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: it was last night, and I mean, it's just amazing,

1065
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 3: like you know, you look at all. And the reason

1066
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 3: why it's astonishing is because the Colts do not beat themselves.

1067
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: They're absolute playmakers and all the different aspects of the offense,

1068
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: they don't beat themselves. And when there's a play to

1069
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: be made, they're just making the play. And I think

1070
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Speaker 3: the biggest thing that just speaks to that is the

1071
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 3: league put this out last night. So when you add

1072
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: up punts and giveaways and sacks taken, So if you

1073
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Speaker 3: were to combine all three of those numbers so far

1074
00:52:55,040 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: this year again, punts, giveaways, and time sacked for the Colts,

1075
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Speaker 3: those three numbers add up to only fourteen for the

1076
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: entire season. That is the fewest amount or the fewest

1077
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 3: total in the NFL through five games by any team

1078
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: since nineteen fifty. So I mean, it's just I mean,

1079
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Speaker 3: it's better than the two thousand and five Colts, it's

1080
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 3: better than the two thousand and seven Patriots. It's better

1081
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: than any year that the the Saints got off to

1082
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: with Drew Brees. And it's and you're doing it with

1083
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: the guy that was signed in March and everybody in

1084
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: New York was upset over and you know, he's he's

1085
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: a free agent and a cast off guy. And that's

1086
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 3: that's what's fascinating about it, is like this isn't supposed

1087
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 3: to be happening, but it's career resurgence from a guy

1088
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: who's a total pro and you pair him with a

1089
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 3: mastermind like Shane Steiken. And that's what I said about

1090
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 3: this team all off season. Again, I'm not going to

1091
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: sit here and say that I forecast that they score,

1092
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: you know, forty points in two games and have the

1093
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 3: best point differential at seventy four through five games. I'm

1094
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: not going to sit here and lie to you on that.

1095
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 3: But what I will say that I was kind of

1096
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 3: right about is that even with that defense last year, right,

1097
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: he was up and down a season ago, even with

1098
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: all of that stuff going on on that side of

1099
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: the ball, if he just had a little bit more

1100
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 3: consistent quarterback play last year, that was a playoff team.

1101
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 3: And not only are you getting consistent quarterback play this year,

1102
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: you're getting maybe the best quarterback play through five games.

1103
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 3: He leads the NFL and QBR he's third and passing

1104
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 3: and yards per attempt and all of this stuff. So

1105
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: it's just it's sort of unfair that one guy makes

1106
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: such a big difference, but it's so true. And you know,

1107
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: he's one of the biggest leaders on this team, and

1108
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the biggest factors as to why,

1109
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 3: you know, the culture and the atmosphere inside the locker

1110
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: room is as seemingly healthy as it is so far.

1111
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: Which is a more true statement. Shane Steichen is able

1112
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: to haul a vast number of plays because of the

1113
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: versatility of Daniel Jones, or Daniel Jones is able to

1114
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: execute things offensively because of the brilliant play calling and

1115
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: the keeping it within limitation of his strengths and weaknesses.

1116
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 1: By Shane Stikeen.

1117
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 3: That's a good one I think they both probably Drew

1118
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: And I asked Shane on Monday night on our Colts

1119
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: Around Table Live show. You know, I was trying to

1120
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 3: get something out of him, but of course, you know,

1121
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 3: he always says the right thing. I said, like, how

1122
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: much in the zone are you as a play caller?

1123
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 3: You know, because it's like it's not all of a

1124
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 3: sudden Shane Stiken became, you know, this great coach overnight. No.

1125
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: I mean he's just he has a guy that is

1126
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: I mean perfect for this offense and is is you know,

1127
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 3: putting in the work and is so high football IQ

1128
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 3: intelligent and knows how to get the Colts into good

1129
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: plays and out of bad plays in the line of scrimmage.

1130
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: I said, would you if you were to just trust

1131
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 3: Daniel Jones to call the plays in the line of scrimmage?

1132
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: How often do you think he would call what you

1133
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: had in mind? He's like, well, probably a lot, you know,

1134
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: maybe more than you think, because I think they are

1135
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 3: that on the same page and they are thinking that

1136
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: much alike. And you know, Shane always talks about how

1137
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 3: he's getting text messages from Daniel at like nine thirty

1138
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: ten o'clock at NY on a Wednesday or Thursday or

1139
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 3: vice versa. And you know, like I heard there was

1140
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: a report, you know, in the locker room after the

1141
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 3: game where they they won by thirty four stinking points.

1142
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: And they're in the locker room after the game, sitting

1143
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: at Daniel's locker stall, and they're just they're going over

1144
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 3: game situations, like just talking ball still, like, hey, you

1145
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: know in the second quarter, we got this and we

1146
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: missed it. Next time we see you know X, we're

1147
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: gonna do why. I mean, that's just how those two

1148
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: guys are and how they're wired, and you know, it

1149
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: just seems like a you know, through five games, just

1150
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: they had perfect marriage for you know, how the the

1151
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: potential for this offense because you know, the same core

1152
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 3: of guys that you have this year have been here

1153
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 3: for the last couple of years. Jonathan Taylor and Michael

1154
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: Pittman Junior and Josh Downs and you know all the

1155
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 3: offensive line with Quintin Nelson and Bernard Rayman and Braden Smith.

1156
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: You know, the potential has always been there. It's just

1157
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: fun to see them reach it with you know, a

1158
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: quarterback that you know has a chip on his shoulder

1159
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 3: and it's just playing at a an extraordinary high level

1160
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 3: right now, Matt.

1161
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 5: Of course, if you listen to the show, you know

1162
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 5: we have a text line three one seven three seventy.

1163
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 5: This one just came across the wire a little bit ago.

1164
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 5: Uh hey, I'm Matt Taylor's neighbor on the south side.

1165
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 5: Tell him he is his yard is nice, but if

1166
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 5: he needs my edger, I'll bring it by.

1167
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: Well, which neighbor is it.

1168
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 5: Did not identify which neighbor.

1169
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: Oh, well, come on, now, are they saying I need

1170
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: to edge? I need to have better hedge, better line?

1171
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: You know? I don't know if you, Matt. Here's the thing.

1172
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: You can talk to Chris Ballard. He's been trying to

1173
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: find a better edge for like three years now, right.

1174
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: Well, as it relates to my yard, I I have.

1175
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if I should admit this, but once

1176
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 3: training camp starts, I don't do anything in the yard.

1177
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: The yard gets I.

1178
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: Think that's I think it's fairly excusable. Right, you're a

1179
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: little tied up, right, Your weekends are fairly busy, right.

1180
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 3: I don't I don't do any any more yard work.

1181
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 3: I just write that check.

1182
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: And let's see this guy, Kerry Lanier and I'll send

1183
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: her up and down the floor all day.

1184
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 5: Maybe you just need to ask this neighbor.

1185
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, I need to know which neighbor

1186
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: it is. Is it is it Dave? Is it Craig?

1187
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 3: Is it Bill? I need to know because they're all

1188
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 3: great guys, and they all could let the hand come

1189
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 3: on now, and.

1190
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: You'd love to have their name at linebacker. That'd be great, right, hey.

1191
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 3: If they could. I'll tell you, don't listen, you don't

1192
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: want Craig at linebacker.

1193
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 7: I'll tell you that.

1194
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: Fair.

1195
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 3: But he's like like pounds.

1196
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: Craig also likes to apparently sit on the sidelines and

1197
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: coach from there and just tell everybody how to do it.

1198
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 7: Matt.

1199
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: Here's lastly, I'll say this, and I think this will

1200
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: make sense. I've come to the I have come to

1201
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: the conclusion that the reason Daniel Jones should be a

1202
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: Colts fan's one of their favorite players is because of

1203
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: the fact that it's really hard to determine why it

1204
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: is that he's your favorite player. There's like nothing about

1205
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: him that jumps out where you go. He does this

1206
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: outstanding He just literally seemingly is a guy that doesn't

1207
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: care about that puts the bag over his shoulder, goes

1208
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: out and just does what needs to be done and

1209
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: then goes home.

1210
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I think that's sort of you know, if

1211
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: there are any more critics nationally, and I think the

1212
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 3: one component to any critics Arsenal or Ammo is that

1213
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 3: the schedule. Right, I mean, hey, okay, you're you're you're

1214
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: beating the craft out of Miami and Tennessee and the Raiders.

1215
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 3: You know, those teams are combined three and twelve, and

1216
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 3: I get it right. While that's true, Uh, it's it's

1217
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: one thing to have victories over those teams. It's one

1218
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 3: thing that just beat the holy blank out of them,

1219
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: like the Colts are doing. And that's hard to do.

1220
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: Like I mean, it's hard to beat a team by

1221
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: almost forty points, and the Colts have done that. They

1222
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 3: have three wins over twenty on the season that hadn't

1223
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: happened to them as a franchise. They haven't experienced that

1224
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: since twenty twenty one. So it's hard. Like every spread

1225
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 3: in the NFL, as you guys know, is like a

1226
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: high one is like seven points, Like man.

1227
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: I want to blowout right, yeah, no question.

1228
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent so you know, I think Daniel

1229
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 3: Jones just is mastering right now of just making unbelievably

1230
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 3: good decisions. Like I can't stress that enough. You know,

1231
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 3: it goes back to what we talked about earlier, that

1232
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 3: the Colts just aren't beating themselves like that is such

1233
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 3: a an underrated part of football because especially in the

1234
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 3: NFL way, more games are lost than one. And you

1235
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 3: know the one loss this year for the Colts, well,

1236
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 3: guess what happened. They beat themselves. So you know, it's

1237
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: hard to be as perfect as they have been consistently

1238
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: in four out of five games, and it's just Daniel

1239
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 3: Jones not putting the ball in harm's way, knowing where

1240
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: to go with the football. He's been incredibly decisive. I mean,

1241
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 3: if you just watch the film, it's three step drop,

1242
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 3: boom balls out, know exactly where to go with it,

1243
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 3: and he's putting it on the money. The ball placement

1244
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,479
Speaker 3: is fantastic, It's Sunday level accurate. And you know it's

1245
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: it's not all him. You know, if you do want

1246
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 3: to downplay Daniel Jones and say well he's just the

1247
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 3: point guard of the offense, you're right, absolutely right.

1248
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: Dare I say dare I say, at this point in

1249
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: a league of his own, see what I did there?

1250
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: See what I did there? Right? Yeah, I thought you

1251
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: were going to say your mom took you to go

1252
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: see porkies. But nonetheless, all right, Matt Taylor will be

1253
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: on the call this Sunday. Colts and Cardinals will be

1254
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: listening to it. Matt, I appreciate the time as always.

1255
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 7: Man, you got it.

1256
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 3: Have a great rest of the weekend.

1257
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, Voice of the Cults,