1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Sa Hammry Nigel Show. Hello, my name is Nigel. That 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: is Jason Hammer right over there with a very special 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: guest on the hotline. 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: He's a writer for OutKick dot Com. Dan zach Shesky 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: one of the best joins US and Danny Zia wanted 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: to get you on for a number of reasons. You've 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 2: got an interesting post about transgenders and sports, if that's 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: still really going on and is it a big deal? 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: But before we get there, I want a national perspective 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 2: here as a national writer for a national publication. The 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 2: Colts trade two first rounders a wide receiver for Sauce Gardner. 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: Did the Colts win? 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: That? 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Is that a good deal? What say you? 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to be one of those people 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: who's going to sign winners and losers. We don't know. 17 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 3: We don't know what those first round picks are going 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 3: to do, so we don't know as far as winners. Now, 19 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: as far as the Colts making the trade, I love it. 20 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: I love it. And here's why. You know, in past years, 21 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: it never really made a lot of sense for teams, 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: particularly in the AFC, to go all in mid season 23 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, you were going 24 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: to be staring down the barrel of Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and you just weren't getting past 26 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: them anyway. But I think what the Colts realized is 27 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: there's an opportunity in the conference this year. I mean, 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 3: look at the division leaders. Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, 29 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. None of them are leading the divisions right now. 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: There's some blood in the water with the Chiefs, who 31 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: are middle of the pack currently outside the playoff picture. 32 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: The Ravens have had their struggles. Lamar has been banged 33 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 3: up obviously, Joe Burrow is pretty much done for the season. 34 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: The Bengals are out of it. I mean, the Bills 35 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: are the one team that you'd have to worry about 36 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: come playoff time. But that's what you got to do. 37 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: If you're the Colts, you're going all in. You need 38 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 3: to You got to beat Josh Allen most likely to 39 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: get to the Super Bowl, which is I assume where 40 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: they would like to go, and adding a guy like 41 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner who can cover. And by the way, I 42 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: will say this about the Colts well, first of all, 43 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: lou Ana Roumo talk about escapegoat, right. I mean, you 44 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: guys know better than anyone. The Bengals were like, oh, 45 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: this guy, this guy's the reason our defense thinks. Well, 46 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: it turns out that wasn't true, and quite the opposite 47 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: in fact, because the Bengals has somehow gotten worse, the 48 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: Colts benefited from bringing in Arumo in. I think Gardner 49 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 3: is going to be great in that system. I think 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: they'll utilize him well. It's probably I believe it's the 51 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: best cornerback and Rumo has ever had, So I look 52 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: forward to seeing what he does with Gardner. But I 53 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: think this had a lot more to do with the 54 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: fact that the state of the AFC right now, in particular, 55 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: it actually seems sort of right for the taking for 56 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: the first time in many years. And I can't believe 57 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: I'm saying this, guys, but did you ever think that 58 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: there would come a time in Daniel Jones' career where 59 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: a team looked at him and went, look, we gotta 60 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: go all in with this. We got Daniel Jones, we 61 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: gotta go all in and try to make a Super 62 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: Bowl run. I can't believe it, but I mean that's 63 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: where we are. 64 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: By the way, just a side note, side question here 65 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: for you real quick. Does Josh Downs wide receiver for 66 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts. I think he does? He give up 67 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: his number one he already has for Sauce. 68 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Sauce Gardner, it's already gone. 69 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: What is he did he go to two? 70 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: Number two because that's what his brother's wearing. 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: Well, okay, good on him. And I'm sure if I 72 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: would have wanted to give up number one, just say it, 73 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: Just say it. 74 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: So this is particular. Is it that deal that's off 75 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 3: paid for it or a gesture of goodwill from a 76 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: new teammate. Yeah, I don't know. 77 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: There's got to be some sort of Oh, I'd say 78 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: there's gotta be something involved. Hell, you're not getting it 79 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: for free. There ain't no free rides around here, kid, 80 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: dan Zach Sheesky with us. So you've got to post 81 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: up on your social media feed. I believe you can 82 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: also find it at OutKick dot com. And it's an 83 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: interesting question. Transgenders in sports. This was a big hot 84 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: topic a number of years ago. You know, Riley Gains 85 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: has kind of become like the face of this whole movement. 86 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: But you asked the question is it a fad. Walk 87 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: me through this. 88 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: Okay, So first of all, you said in the intro 89 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 3: that you know, is this still going on? Like, can 90 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: tell you, guys, right now, I am currently sitting in 91 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: a hotel room in ann Arbor, Michigan, and tonight I 92 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: will be covering a transgender volleyball player for ann Arbor 93 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: Skyline in the girls district tournament tonight. We've done a 94 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: ton of reporting on this. I encourage our audience to 95 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: go check it out ann Arbor Skyline, OutKick Google, and 96 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: our stuff will come up. It's not getting a lot 97 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 3: of traction for some reason. But guys, this is still happening, 98 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: and it's happening a lot, and in this particular case, 99 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: you know, this seems to be one where it's basically 100 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: been hidden. You know, we have some sources saying that 101 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: this player played for a club team and the club 102 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: team literally had no idea that it was a male player, 103 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: not no indication whatsoever. So yes to that, it is 104 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: absolutely still going on. It is still a thing. Skyline 105 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: won its district. They are now hosting the district tournament. 106 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: If they win today and win tomorrow, they'll go to 107 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: the Michigan State tournament basically led by a biological male player. Now, 108 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 3: as far as the you know, is it a fad, look, 109 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: I mean it has the hallmarks of it, guys, because 110 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: it started picking up steam that identifying young people, especially 111 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: identifying as non binary or gender fluid or transgender, started 112 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: picking up like the mid twenty tens, and then it 113 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: really peaked in twenty twenty three where we were seeing 114 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 3: unbelievable numbers where it was something like eight to ten 115 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 3: percent of young people were identifying as like not male 116 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: or female or not with the gender they were quote 117 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: unquote assigned at birth. And now we're actually starting to 118 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: see it fall a little bit. And what essentially the 119 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: scientists have argued is that look if because here's what 120 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 3: the activists will say. They'll say, like, well, the reason 121 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: people didn't identify the floor is because they felt afraid 122 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: or it wasn't socially acceptable. Guys, It's pretty damn socially acceptable. 123 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 3: I mean, at least in that community on the left, 124 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: it's super socially acceptable to come out and be like, 125 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: I'm transgender. 126 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: So what we say, look at it's weird if you're 127 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: not trans, right, that's right. 128 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: Right, So what we would expect to see in the numbers, 129 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: is that there wouldn't be a peak and then a drop. 130 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: There would be probably a peak and then sort of 131 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: a plateau like, Okay, this is the percentage of people 132 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: in a given you know, out of one hundred thousand people, 133 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 3: this is how many we expect to see, and then 134 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 3: it would plateau the fact that that number is dropping 135 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: over the last couple of years, and it looks like 136 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: it's expected to drop. It essentially has the hallmarks of 137 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 3: what would be considered a fad or a cultural trend 138 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 3: more than any major change in biology or societally speaking. 139 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: And it feels like, and you've covered this closer than 140 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: most people. You've been out on the road covering college 141 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: volleyball players, you know, and now you're up in Michigan 142 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 2: covering this story, so you're kind of embedded with the 143 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 2: culture here. How much of this is the parents wanting 144 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: to look super progressive to the fellow wine moms in 145 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: their community and the PTO board members saying, little Johnny 146 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: or little Janey is now identifying as something different. 147 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was the biggest problem with all of 148 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: this is that the social currency that was gained by 149 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: having a quote unquote transgender child was just too big 150 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: of an opportunity for some people to pass up. And 151 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: then we started having this situation where you know, I 152 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: don't know, I don't have kids, Guys, I don't know 153 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: your situation if you have kids. But like, you know, 154 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 3: if you have a boy or girl, and you know 155 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: your boy wants to paint his nails one day, you 156 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: don't just go, oh, he's a girl, like okay, whatever, 157 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: kid wants to mess around and like play dress up 158 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: and wear like whatever, You're still a boy. You just 159 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: you know, you want to try some different crap when 160 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: you're five years old. But you had this just group 161 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: of people that were almost looking for It's like a 162 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: self fulfilling prophecy, right, Like, man, wouldn't it be great 163 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: if we had a transgender kid? And then your five 164 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: year old decides like, hey, I want to wear a 165 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: dress today, and they're like, oh, yes, perfect, yes, all right, 166 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: god a girl. Awesome. This is exactly what we were 167 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 3: looking for. And I think that's the biggest I mean, look, guys, 168 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: I I want to be careful because we are dealing 169 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: with a lot of young, confused kids who have been misled. 170 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: Is a real thing, and it doesn't vor it is 171 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: that it's very rare. 172 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: See that's the problem. Okay, I'm glad you brought that up, 173 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: because that is the problem. It is a rare disorder 174 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: where you know, it's a mental illness. It's described in 175 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: the DSM five like other mental illnesses. Gender dysphoria is real. However, 176 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: the percentage of gender dysphoria actual diagnosed cases versus the 177 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: number of people identifying as transgender is way off. So 178 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: you have a bunch of people who don't have gender dysporia. Now, 179 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: of course there are a bunch of also left wing doctors. 180 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: And look, you know I always say, and we always 181 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 3: we all always say, follow the money. There's a lot 182 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: of money in this transgender thing, man, because you get 183 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: a kid at seven, eight, nine years old, you've got 184 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 3: a lifetime of medication, like they're gonna be in the 185 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: healthcare system their entire lot. Like this is not something 186 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: that like you trans and then that in no, no, no, no, 187 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: this is lifetime medication. It's surgeries. It's that's what worries 188 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: me the most is that there is some nefarious money 189 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: aspect here that these doctors are being pushed into and 190 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 3: getting paid to diagnose people with a disease that they 191 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: are disordered, rather that they don't have. But even still, 192 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: the number of cases of actual gender dysphoria versus the 193 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: number of people have identifying as transgender, they don't line up. 194 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: And that's the problem, and that's something that definitely we 195 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: need to we need to hammer home. 196 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: Got a thirty seconds left here with dan Zach Shesky 197 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: of OutKick in the closing moments we have left do 198 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: your fighting, Nitney Lyons of Penn State. 199 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 3: No, no, we don't have thirty seconds. We have no 200 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: time for out of time. I gotta go, guys, volleyball. 201 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: I got stuff to do. I gotta get out of here. 202 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: I don't have time to talk about any of this. 203 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: All right? 204 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: Can they cover the two touchdown spread against the Fighting 205 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 2: Signettes of Indiana? 206 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: I don't y Yeah? 207 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: You know what? 208 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: Right? 209 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: Yes? Your answer? 210 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: Yes? 211 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: Yes? 212 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: Where can we find your work at, sir? 213 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: I'm always at OutKick dot com and you can find 214 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: me on exit real. 215 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 4: Dan Zach, I please encourage your audience check out this 216 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 4: Michigan Skyline story because it's one that's not getting enough attention, 217 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 4: and it really I hope people start to pay attention 218 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: and see how unfair this. 219 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: Is, and how many you know. There's a good chance 220 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: Skyline is gonna win its district and it's going to 221 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: knock a bunch of girls who would have had a 222 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 3: chance to go play. 223 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 4: In a state tournament, not have the opportunity to go 224 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 4: play in a state tournament. 225 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: And that's that's really the thing that's sad here. 226 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: Danizi, you're the best man. I appreciate you, Thank you, 227 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.