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Speaker 2: You're at Grand Park, We're back Colt's first day of

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Speaker 2: practice and the third year white Out. Josh Downs joins

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Speaker 2: us right now. Josh, you were talking to the media

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Speaker 2: a little bit earlier. You mentioned different focus kind of

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Speaker 2: some of your off season training. Could you expand a

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Speaker 2: little bit on that. What was different about the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just really looking at my game and what I

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Speaker 3: feel like I need to improve on, and then started

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Speaker 3: working with a new receiver trainer and tried to hone

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Speaker 3: in on those specifics and work them, work what I

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Speaker 3: feel like I need to do most importantly, and then

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Speaker 3: also refining the things that I feel like I do well.

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Speaker 3: And then really just being being in shape is a

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Speaker 3: huge thing. So pushing myself to the limit of being

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Speaker 3: just tired. I mean, a lot of footballers play when

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Speaker 3: you're when you're really exhausted. So it's like going out

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Speaker 3: there and working out when you're one hundred percent every

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Speaker 3: day is not really realistic because after two days of

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Speaker 3: camp you're going to be already shot. So at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, those two things for me were

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Speaker 2: Which wide out is winning the conditioning test?

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Speaker 3: Oh see, I mean we're a competitive group. I like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think if we're just doing conditioning, I

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Speaker 3: will win. But I think Alex would say he'd win.

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Speaker 3: I feel like a d would say he'd win. So

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like he'd mentioned. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: a little I don't think. I mean, look, I'm not

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, just I'm just going off who

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Speaker 3: who I think is most athletic in the group. So

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Speaker 3: you can throw dueling in there too, and then google Ethny,

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Speaker 3: google real athletic as well.

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Speaker 4: So we got a pretty athletic group.

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Speaker 5: So you mentioned that wide receiver room, which I think

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Speaker 5: is probably one of the strongest groups on this team.

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Speaker 5: How do you all push each other when you know

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Speaker 5: it's only one ball and obviously you're happy for someone

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Speaker 5: else's success, But as you mentioned a few minutes ago,

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Speaker 5: you want to make sure that when I'm open to

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Speaker 5: guy goes to me. So what is it like just

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Speaker 5: battling with those guys in the room to you know,

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Speaker 5: raise the level?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, we're all a family.

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Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, your brother doing good,

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Speaker 3: you're you're really happy for him. But also, as you know,

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Speaker 3: receivers all got that little not diva but air receiver

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Speaker 3: there and take advantage of every opportunity you get. So

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Speaker 3: like times like this is the perfect time to go

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Speaker 3: out there and do what you're supposed to do. When

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Speaker 3: when they call your number, make the play. So then

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Speaker 3: when when Sundays come around, they they have no other

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Speaker 3: I mean the targets, that's just what it may be.

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Speaker 3: But you got to just go out there and make

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Speaker 3: the players that come your way.

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Speaker 2: It's the best thing you did the soft season, favorite

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Speaker 2: thing you did this off season, the best.

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Speaker 4: Thing I did.

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Speaker 3: Like, uh can I can I go back into the

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Speaker 3: spring too?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, best thing I did me and my me and

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Speaker 3: my girl with the Disney World, that was that was

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, now that sounds like hell to me.

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Speaker 4: Uh I got right a little different so.

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Speaker 2: Adult Disney World looks like what I mean, are you riding?

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Speaker 3: I mean yeah, right, the Rise you know Orlando they

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Speaker 3: got we stayed at this place called the Conrad. They

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Speaker 3: got they got a great golf first, great spa, excellent

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Speaker 4: So it was just it was.

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Speaker 2: Like that sounds a lot better, feel me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like there was a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: There you go, all right. We mentioned a little bit

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Speaker 2: earlier the California trip. You know, obviously teams to this

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Speaker 2: pretty much every off season where the QPS and the

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Speaker 2: past catchers get together. What was that like for you guys,

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Speaker 2: take fans a little bit behind the scenes and what

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Speaker 2: you guys did. Obviously some work on the field, but

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Speaker 2: also a little bit of fun time off the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, work on the field in the morning,

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Speaker 3: and then the rest of the day is really like

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Speaker 3: team bonding kind of things. Like I said, we went fishing,

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Speaker 3: we went we went golfing, and then we went out

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Speaker 3: it was it's just a it's a good time to just,

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Speaker 3: hanging out with them off the field at a restaurant,

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Speaker 3: going fishing, going golfing, so you really see like their

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Speaker 3: true personality in And yeah, football brings you a lot

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Speaker 3: of my best friends in life are front football.

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Speaker 4: So I felt like that opens up that window as well.

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Speaker 2: You got some Scottie Scheffler in your game.

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Speaker 4: Oh I'm not see. Look, I'm all right.

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Speaker 3: I say Alex is the best golfer in the group.

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Speaker 3: But if I really want to work at it, I

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Speaker 3: can be good. But I just I've just been inconsistent

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Speaker 3: at the work. That sounds like every golf.

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Speaker 2: Rid guy that's got at like the golf it's just fun.

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Speaker 4: But golf is one of them.

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Speaker 3: Sports is just so like you think you're doing good

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Speaker 3: and it's just like just like WHOA, what is this?

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Speaker 3: So it's tough, Josh.

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Speaker 5: You mentioned a few minutes ago that obviously the goal

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Speaker 5: this year is gets to playoff like it is every year.

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Speaker 5: But what have you learned just through the first couple

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Speaker 5: to maybe sustain that in the NFL?

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Speaker 4: Nah, definitely.

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Speaker 3: It's it comes down to like who's the most disciplined

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Speaker 3: gap on each team is so slim.

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Speaker 4: So at the end of the day, it's it's being disciplined.

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Speaker 3: It's it's really doing everything that when you're tired, you're

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Speaker 3: because you can watch a team on film and be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I don't they might not look that good, but then

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Speaker 3: you go out there and play and it's like, well

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Speaker 3: they beat us, and it's like we you see back

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Speaker 3: this level is just I feel like it's about discipline

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Speaker 3: and making the less mistakes than the team in front

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Speaker 3: just hone in on the details.

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Speaker 4: Everybody do their job.

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Speaker 2: It's been a nice start at the NFL career for

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Speaker 2: Josh Downcy's with us here. Year three upcoming for him. Uh,

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Speaker 2: if you could take any quality from one of those

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Speaker 2: your game, what would it be.

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Speaker 4: M any quality?

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Speaker 3: Let's see I would Uh, I probably take AP's uh

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Speaker 3: the ball ability. Yeah, I'll take that, he just moss. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll take I'll take people into ability.

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Speaker 4: I'll take that.

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Speaker 2: What would they say for you? What would they take

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Speaker 3: They probably take my my quickness or let's see my quickness,

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Speaker 3: or I'll say my agility.

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Speaker 2: Now, we had Kenny Moore on the show yesterday. James

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Speaker 2: and now are going back and forth. Would Kenny or

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Speaker 2: Josh take the bait best out of seven? One on one?

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Speaker 2: Out here? You or Kenny?

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Speaker 4: Did he take? Did he take the bait?

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Speaker 2: Well? I was hoping you'd answer first.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going best out of seven. I mean

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Speaker 3: I'm going with me for show, best out of seven.

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Speaker 2: Like Pacers thunder, best out of seven, like like look

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Speaker 2: like a pretty good matchup for three or we sweet four?

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Speaker 4: One for two? Maybe yeah, man.

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Speaker 6: Looking like a true wide receiver. Yeah, you gotta would.

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Speaker 4: Give him one out of respect? Yeah? Two? Yeah, two

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Speaker 4: out of respect. One, Okay, I'll give you one.

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Speaker 2: Now Kenny wouldn't answer. Is that a lack of confidence.

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Speaker 3: Out of It's just him just he just he just

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Speaker 3: being a vet. And I'm just I'm just the youngest.

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Speaker 4: So you go.

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Speaker 3: You know, you gotta bring it to the vent. That's

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Speaker 2: G now from afar, when I see one versus twenty three,

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Speaker 3: Do you feel that way like when you see him

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Speaker 3: across me? Yeah, for sure, I love. I love going

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Speaker 3: against Kenny. He's one of the best slot nickels in

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Speaker 3: going against him every day is going against the best.

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Speaker 3: It's not just going against like some slap that's in

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Speaker 3: in that manner. So yeah, I love going against Kenny.

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Speaker 3: I really only go against him in a lot of

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Speaker 3: not supposed to try to go against somebody that's not

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Speaker 5: Josh, Obviously, you don't decide who's gonna Starry a quarterback. Boy,

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Speaker 5: has it been like just building chemistry obviously no Ar already,

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Speaker 5: but building chemistry with Daniel Jones and throughout this quarterback battle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, DJ DJ is a great dude, So I mean,

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Speaker 3: you gotta, you gotta, you gotta mess with both of them.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, they're both really good quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: but they both go with the ones they rotate. So

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Speaker 3: it's like when you're when like like I said, when

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Speaker 3: of the opportunity. So he's a new quarterback, so he

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Speaker 3: comes in. If a play is called to you, it's

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Speaker 3: about making the play because that'll build confidence with you

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Speaker 3: and him. If you if you can keep messing up

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Speaker 3: then that's that's his first impression and he's like, I

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Speaker 3: don't know about this guy, so that kind of hurts you.

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Speaker 3: So right now is a huge opportunity as well as

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Speaker 3: the spring, like when your number is called, go out

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Speaker 3: there if he's in there, and make the plays as

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Speaker 3: well as Ar because yeah, he's even though we've known

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Speaker 3: him for a while, we still got to build that

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Speaker 3: with a mesion every year. Not every year is the same,

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Speaker 3: not every week it's the same. So just a couple

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Speaker 3: of minutes left here with Josh Downs. We appreciate his

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Speaker 3: time's close. Training camp is getting underway. How would you

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Speaker 3: describe an Anthony Richardson throwing ball?

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Speaker 2: How would you describe a Daniel Jones thrown Oh?

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Speaker 3: That's I mean, they're both really good, both really good balls.

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Speaker 2: So last last one, have you had a show any

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Speaker 4: Them they are they already seen? They already seen that

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Speaker 4: They was like, Dan, you're you're gonna betray your state.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm like, I'm like, dang, I think

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Speaker 2: One thousand percent. Josh Downs year three in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: the Josh Downs conversations. James Boyd that is a very

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Speaker 5: I'll set the over under at seventy seven and a half.

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Speaker 2: if you missed any of that's we will play the

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Speaker 2: James the Keys to the game where it unraveled for

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Speaker 2: the Fever last night. Nineteen turnovers that would be a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Sabrina esque woke up as well.

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Speaker 2: Chris Palad yesterday I met the media and we want

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Speaker 2: the eight o'clock hour. And honestly, we do have to

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Speaker 6: Cult and he's beeving with Kevin Boher.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it sucks, man, I mean the first time my

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Speaker 5: So I'm not so sure about, you know, the defense

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Speaker 2: stuff like Sampson Ebicom for example, coming back from a

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Speaker 2: torn achilles. He falls in that same boat as Richardson. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe today we only see Ebicom do like

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Speaker 2: individual drills? Is that gonna be a Richardson? We just

442
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Speaker 2: see individual drills and then we don't see eleven on

443
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Speaker 2: eleven like? That would be the question I would have

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Speaker 2: then again, you know, as you brought up, when does

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Speaker 2: that fifty to fifty split occur? That would be kind

446
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Speaker 2: of the top of mind stuff from him. By the way,

447
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Speaker 2: I did want to share you know yesterday No when

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Speaker 2: Viral shout out to listener Alex he was able to

449
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Speaker 2: sync up the young Jock song along with our dance

450
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Speaker 2: moves and James, you seem to be rather complimentary of

451
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Speaker 2: my effort yesterday. Yes, I do want to follow up here.

452
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Speaker 2: Were you just being supportive and a good friend or

453
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Speaker 2: was that anuine.

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Speaker 6: That was genuine? That was genuine? What did Maddie think?

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Speaker 2: I think he was that you knew what that was?

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Speaker 6: He's like wow, looking.

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Speaker 5: At No, I feel like me and Kevin are still

458
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Speaker 5: somewhat in the same age, rang So, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Mark from the cheap scenes here.

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Speaker 5: This is like Chap saying that, you know, I wasn't

461
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Speaker 5: alive from when he started covering the team, and I'm like, well,

462
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Speaker 5: Kevin wasn't either.

463
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Speaker 2: Chaff thinks we got to get another hair transplant. Basically

464
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Speaker 2: freaking fifty eight years old.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: Maddie's text was this, you look like you're starting the lawnmower.

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Speaker 2: Is that the goal? Should I take that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean I don't know if you start lawnmarers

470
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Speaker 5: from up here, but yeah, somebody.

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Speaker 2: Said I needed to get a little higher, so maybe

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Speaker 2: I should get a little I don't know. And now

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Speaker 2: she chimed in and very of course ego centric. Here

474
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Speaker 2: she goes, I remember it. I'm really good at it,

475
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Speaker 2: you know. I asked her if she remembered, you know,

476
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Speaker 2: back in college. That was of course, you know, a

477
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Speaker 2: big go to move. But then she added, she goes,

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Speaker 2: my evaluation is you look like you're starting the lawnmower.

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Speaker 2: And James's giggle is so cute.

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Speaker 5: I didn't expect you to, you know, hit the wave

481
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Speaker 5: with me. I will say that, but we were in sync.

482
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Speaker 2: So I'm starting the lawnmower and James's laugh is cute.

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Speaker 2: That's where I'm at right now here on this Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 6: Sounds like a win to me. Yeah, it is a

485
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Speaker 6: win for James.

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Speaker 2: James getting compliments starting the lawnmower, I am loved. After

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Speaker 2: we signed off yesterday, again, thank you Josh Downs for

488
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Speaker 2: joining us. That'll be up on the podcast. Kenny Moore

489
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Speaker 2: the same yesterday, and then we headed over a couple

490
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Speaker 2: hundred yards south of here for the Chris Ballard annual

491
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Speaker 2: pre Training Camp press conferences. We had to lead off

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Speaker 2: the show James from a health standpoint, the cults are

493
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Speaker 2: and it seems like pretty good health.

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Speaker 7: Sama.

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Speaker 2: Franklin is one that is not expected to participate, but

496
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Speaker 2: his absence isn't likely to be too too long. But

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Speaker 2: in regards to Richardson, I thought you asked a very

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Speaker 2: direct and a very fair question, if you don't mind

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Speaker 2: before we play the Ballard clip, just your overall thought

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Speaker 2: and the question and setting up the answer.

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Speaker 5: Mainly because Chris Ballard has repeatedly stated that this is

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Speaker 5: not a make or break season for Anthony Richardson. I

503
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Speaker 5: wanted to follow up just to make sure his mind

504
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Speaker 5: hadn't changed, And since it hasn't, I was just wondering, well,

505
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Speaker 5: why does it feel like? And again I'm not inside

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Speaker 5: the building. Outside the building, we're all saying, why is

507
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Speaker 5: it not a maker break season? Considering the lack of success,

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Speaker 5: the lack of continuity, the lack of an answer for

509
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Speaker 5: him at quarterback? And then Ballard got into his nation

510
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Speaker 5: and he breferenced a couple other quarterbacks. So Mark, if

511
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Speaker 5: you have that cued up for us, we can definitely

512
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Speaker 5: hear what Balor had to say and react to that,

513
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Speaker 5: because I thought it was interesting and you can hear

514
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Speaker 5: me probably interject and if you can't hear it, I'll

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Speaker 5: follow up with it after this clip.

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Speaker 1: Do you think people regret Baker Mayfield's timeline, Sam Darnold's timeline?

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Speaker 2: Let's just go.

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Speaker 1: Exactly And so how about a little Sometimes you got

519
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Speaker 1: to have a little patience with a guy and let

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Speaker 1: them grow through things. Now, there's got to be like,

521
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Speaker 1: if you just know this guy, no, he can't do it.

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Speaker 1: But if you think, hey, he's on the right trajectory,

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Speaker 1: why are you gonna why are you gonna flush him?

524
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Speaker 1: Just because people outside think you should flush him. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to give Anthony every chance to

527
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Speaker 1: be the best he can be, and I think I

528
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Speaker 1: think he can be really good.

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Speaker 2: You know, but things got to come together, James, if

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Speaker 2: you don't mind, could you share? And for those that

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Speaker 2: maybe didn't hear, just you know, when you did interject

532
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Speaker 2: there a little bit early in that answer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So his response to why this isn't a make

534
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Speaker 5: or break season for Anthony was, well, do you think

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Speaker 5: people regret kind of basically dismissing Sam Darnold's timeline or

536
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Speaker 5: dismissing the fact that Baker Mayfield was talented or could

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Speaker 5: bounce back. And I interjected and said, well, wait a second.

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Speaker 5: Those two guys changed teams, and often when we see

539
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Speaker 5: quarterbacks revive their careers, they do have a change of scenery.

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Speaker 5: And then he kind of just did not really acknowledge that.

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Speaker 5: I thought, you know, Kevin, correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 5: He kind of just theme rolled right through it and said, well,

543
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Speaker 5: you gotta give it patient, you gotta give it time.

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Speaker 5: But it kind of sounds like he was talking on

545
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Speaker 5: both sides of his mouth, because yes, you want to

546
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Speaker 5: give it time, Yes, you want to be patient. However,

547
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Speaker 5: decisions have to be made about his future at some point,

548
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Speaker 5: and you all made the decision to kind of open

549
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Speaker 5: another layer to this by bringing in Daniel Jones. So

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Speaker 5: which one is it? Do you believe in Anthony Richardson

551
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Speaker 5: to be the guy or do you not? Which if

552
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Speaker 5: you don't, that's fair because you want to go out

553
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Speaker 5: and get somebody that could be competing.

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Speaker 6: At the position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a totally accurate and I

556
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Speaker 2: would agree with you on the change of scenery being

557
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Speaker 2: vital in those guys careers. I've argued this, do we

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Speaker 2: have one like.

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Speaker 6: In recent memory?

560
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Speaker 5: Do we have a quarterback that was benched and injured

561
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Speaker 5: and was a high draft pick and he came back

562
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Speaker 5: with the same team and was good. I'm just trying

563
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Speaker 5: to think of it, and I'm not saying that it's

564
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Speaker 5: not possible, right, but what does history tell us?

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Speaker 6: And I choose to think of one at least in

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Speaker 6: the last twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I remember looking this up a little bit,

568
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Speaker 2: you know, back kind of the spring, when you know,

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson became a real thing and

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Speaker 2: I kind of came to the conclusion that if either

571
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Speaker 2: of them hit, it'll be rather unprecedented. Now, Daniel Jones,

572
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Speaker 2: I understand some people that would say, no, he actually

573
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Speaker 2: has more starts than Baker or Darnoll or Gino Smith

574
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Speaker 2: did in.

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Speaker 6: Their sixty nine starts in New York. Yeah, and there

576
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Speaker 6: Park knows that's.

577
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Speaker 2: That respective careers. Now, I have said this quite often. Uh,

578
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Speaker 2: we live in two different quarterback worlds right now. The

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Speaker 2: AFC and the NFC are two different worlds. So where

580
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Speaker 2: did Baker go to resurrect his career the NFC? Where

581
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Speaker 2: did Sam Donald go to resurrect his career the NFC? Yeah,

582
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Speaker 2: that is the world where you can do it. I

583
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Speaker 2: don't think I can talk about that good point in

584
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Speaker 2: the AFC, And I guess in regards to Richardson more specifically,

585
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Speaker 2: I guess there's no way for this to sound like

586
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Speaker 2: anything but a shot at him. But it is reality.

587
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Speaker 2: Unlike Baker Mayfield winning the Heisman Trophy in college, I

588
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: was just gonna get to that point. Unlike Sam Donald

589
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Speaker 2: throwing for four thousand yards in the PAC twelve when

590
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Speaker 2: it was real at USC, Anthony richards has never been good, right,

591
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Speaker 2: that like, that's real. He wasn't good at Florida. The

592
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Speaker 2: Anthony Richson thought, it's been built.

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Speaker 6: On hope and the la potential and physical.

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Speaker 2: And potential, yes, and development all of that. So that's

595
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Speaker 2: where I don't think it falls into apples and apples.

596
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Speaker 2: And we go back to the age old question that

597
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Speaker 2: we've had with Richardson in regards to the day he

598
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Speaker 2: was drafted, and you and I were in that press

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Speaker 2: room that Thursday night and the question was asked, and

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Speaker 2: it was asked, I think of Shane Siken even before

601
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Speaker 2: Anthony Jerson was drafted. Can you teach accuracy?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And how much can you improve accuracy? And those questions

604
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Speaker 2: now as we sit here, what two years and three

605
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Speaker 2: months after he was drafted, are still there. Can you

606
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Speaker 2: teach accuracy? Can you improve accuracy? And is Anthony Richardson good?

607
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Speaker 2: Like we see flashes but the general thought and Baker

608
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Speaker 2: Mayfield was very good in college. Sam Darnold was a

609
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Speaker 2: pretty good college football quarterback. You would not classify Anthony

610
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Speaker 2: Richardson's time at Florida in that mold. So yeah, I

611
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Speaker 2: don't think I get that. You know, Ballard is largely

612
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Speaker 2: just trying to support his guy, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's Apples Taples.

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Speaker 5: No, And it is tough for that reality to sort

615
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Speaker 5: of be accepted because Anthony is the highest drafted player

616
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Speaker 5: this franchise has had since Andrew Luck, and you want

617
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Speaker 5: so desperately to find that answer and that consistency at

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Speaker 5: quarterback since Andrew Luck. But he hasn't been that guy.

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Speaker 5: And that's why we're having this conversation again about who's

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Speaker 5: gonna start, because unlike his counterpart down in Houston, I

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Speaker 5: would even argue in Carolina with Bryce Young, and obviously

622
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Speaker 5: in Houston it's c J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud.

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Speaker 5: Those two guys, there's no question about them being the

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Speaker 5: guy going into your three. But for you, that answer

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Speaker 5: is still very much op.

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Speaker 2: I think we also have this in regards to Ballard

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Speaker 2: right now, James. The answers are really difficult. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: let's go back to the Combine. I believe that was

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Speaker 2: your first show with us, Yes, when we had Ballard

631
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Speaker 2: on at the Combine and when you hear him answer

632
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Speaker 2: the question of why do you feel like you're getting

633
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Speaker 2: the ninth year? What do you feel like is the

634
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Speaker 2: greatest achievement on your resume? The answers are met with really,

635
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Speaker 2: but that's the hardcore evidence. He can't go off of

636
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Speaker 2: anything else.

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Speaker 5: So it was the question I had, I believe me

638
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Speaker 5: or someone else, we all were kind of just taking

639
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Speaker 5: I think fair aim at him, but I believe it

640
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Speaker 5: was something along the lines of did you earn a

641
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Speaker 5: ninth season or were you.

642
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Speaker 6: Given a ninth season?

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Speaker 5: This was the end of last season, I believe, end

644
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Speaker 5: of your press conference, and he kind of looked at

645
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Speaker 5: the kind of you know, took it personal, which I

646
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Speaker 5: probably would in the same situation, But that's a fair question.

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Speaker 6: Did you earn it? I'm not so sure that you did,

648
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Speaker 6: considering your resume.

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Speaker 2: You know, there was a there was a follow up

650
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Speaker 2: there you later asked about, Okay, the trajectory, Yeah, because

651
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Speaker 2: he kept saying he's on a positive trajectory, and I

652
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Speaker 2: thought it was important that you did eventually get there.

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Speaker 2: I know, I think I was one of the people

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Speaker 2: that interrupted afterwards and.

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Speaker 6: And kind of red on that.

656
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Speaker 2: But you did nice yop coming back to that, and

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Speaker 2: you know, he pointed to which again, this is something

658
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: I totally agree with Richardson his best moments, you could

659
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: arguably say have been in the game's most clutch moment. Yes,

660
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: so late in the Jets game, late in the Patriots game.

661
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: You know, Chris brought up the Rams come back a

662
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: couple of years ago his rookie season. You know, he

663
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: has been very good at times in the two minute

664
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: third down when you have got to have it. So

665
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: I do hear him on that. I would probably just

666
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: generally go here in guards to Richard, like, should Richardson

667
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: be getting a third year? I don't know if that's

668
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: maybe the question that we're at, but if you're going

669
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: to commit to drafting a project fourth overall, I probably

670
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: think you should at least say we need to wait

671
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: for the first healthy NFL offseason, don't we like? Don't

672
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: like if you're gonna make that choice. I do, even though, okay,

673
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: where has he earned it? You know, where has he

674
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: earned it from a you know again, has he ever

675
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: been a good quarterback? You know that that answer is

676
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: largely no. But if you're gonna make that investment as

677
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: a franchise and the alternatives are the alternatives, yeah, I

678
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: think you at least owe it to your franchise, your

679
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: coaching staff to say and maybe even the player to say,

680
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: you know what, let's give him this healthy offseason, I e.

681
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: Right now, right, and let's see what happens. That's kind

682
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 2: of where I'm at in regards to how should twenty

683
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: twenty five play out? You know, should it be Richards

684
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: and should it be you know that that whole debate.

685
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: You know what, if you're gonna draft the dude fourth overall,

686
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: if you're gonna invest how you've invested into him. And

687
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: Shane Sticken was the head coach when you drafted him.

688
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: It's not like you know, Will Levis with Brian Callahan

689
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: or Canalis with Bryce Young. No, this is the same

690
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: coaching staff. Give him this season, healthy offseason and see

691
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: what the hell happens.

692
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 5: And it's kind of like they're trying to reverse engineer, Like,

693
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 5: wait a second, we played him too early. Maybe we

694
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 5: shouldn't have, So let's try to back up a little

695
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 5: bit and if he isn't quite ready, we're not gonna

696
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 5: give up on him. But that clock is still ticking

697
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 5: as far as his contracting years in the NFL. So

698
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 5: even hearing how young he still is, that doesn't necessarily

699
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 5: matter when it comes to making your choice on his

700
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 5: future with your team, because time doesn't stop because you're young.

701
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 5: The contract year is the fourth year option. Sorry, the

702
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 5: fifth year option is still coming up after this season.

703
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 5: To pick up or not pick up, you have to determine,

704
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 5: you know, do we want to try to extend this

705
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 5: guy or not. Those things are conversations you have to have,

706
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 5: and you definitely want clearer answers after year three.

707
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 6: And I even go back to his what was a.

708
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 5: Combine interview and the viral moment where everyone was laughing

709
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 5: at me because I just got dunked on by Anthony

710
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 5: by asking him directly, Hey, a lot of people think

711
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: you're a project quarterback. Totally fine, what can you give

712
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 5: a team right now versus in the future? And he

713
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 5: told me, I don't even know what that means. And

714
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 5: then someone else followed up and said, hey, well, you

715
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 5: only play thirteen games, started thirteen games at Florida. What

716
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: if teams told you about your inexperience? And he came

717
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 5: back to me and so, well, this guy thinks I'm,

718
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 5: you know, a project, and I'm like, wait a second,

719
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 5: you are, and now we're seeing that and it's not

720
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: to you know, Reubenend's face. I don't really carried the way. Obviously,

721
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 5: I would love to see all players succeed and have success. However,

722
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 5: the reality is that you were a project coming in

723
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 5: and we're seeing the same sort of things two three

724
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Speaker 5: years later.

725
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Speaker 2: Well chout Stephen Holder coming up at nine o'clock again,

726
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: Josh Down's earlier, Kennymore the second Yesterday life beginning to

727
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: happen here at Grand Park. They're setting up the practice

728
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: field right now. Colt City behind us, gets underway at

729
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: nine o'clock. I believe gates open at nine o'clock again,

730
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Speaker 2: first practice coming up at ten. Still want to get

731
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Speaker 2: to that, Kurt Signetti audio in true Sig fashion, that

732
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: man was ready to go. Oh yeah, heard talking Kevin

733
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 2: before that question was asked. There is a question that

734
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: you know, maybe we can tease of, like do you

735
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: owe it to your fan base to provide a marquee

736
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Speaker 2: September game?

737
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Speaker 6: Woo?

738
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Speaker 2: That is something to think about or is it simply

739
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: like no, no, no, I don't care if it's kennisall stage.

740
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Speaker 6: I was going to say, is it our quid as

741
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 6: long as we win? That's probably the question.

742
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can hear both sides of it,

743
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: but you know, certainly September appointment viewing inside of memorial

744
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: stadium is not there with the schedule, and a little

745
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: bit later we'll get to that patrisauti Aga and Tyre's

746
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: Halliburn comedy for the first time on Miles Turner, I

747
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: thought the TJ McConnell players should be in piece. Yesterday

748
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: two was very very strong from TJ McConnell. Had me

749
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: laughing a bit and at times tad emotional, which sounds

750
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: like Josh Downs was emotional watching Game seven. Did you

751
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: share that with us earlier?

752
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 5: Yes, And I thought it was really cool to hear

753
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 5: his perspective on it. Like I said, Josh Downs was

754
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 5: calling it pretty early among his teammates here on the Colts,

755
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 5: and so it was cool to see him have that

756
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 5: fan moment and kind of give us his reaction to

757
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 5: the run and also saying that hopefully it has galvanized his.

758
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 6: Team to go on a run.

759
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 5: I thought it was crazy that Quitty pay was saying

760
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: we're gonna go in the deep playoff running out with

761
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 5: wait a second, brother, you gotta figure I'm starting that quarterback.

762
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 5: But nevertheless, you know a lot of those guys do

763
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 5: feel like they owe it to the fan base, and

764
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 5: they should feel like they owe it to the fan

765
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 5: basically out there and have a successful season, which in

766
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 5: my mind means playoffs are bust.

767
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: One thing I'm super curious about. You heard in the

768
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: ballad answer We played last segment with struggles to end seasons,

769
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: and hell, you can go both ways. They've struggled in

770
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: week one. We know that it's whatever eleven straight no

771
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: wins to start the season.

772
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Speaker 5: And then obvioustat for you on that too, by the way,

773
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 5: that can oh kind of validate some things.

774
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: For you, tease or it looked like to share right now.

775
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll just get into it after the break.

776
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: All right, let it sit there. And then obviously the

777
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 2: collapses to end seasons, which we've seen quite often, the

778
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: losses to quarterbacks that are Taylor Heineke, Jake Browning, Drew locket.

779
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: I know I'm missing somebody, but et cetera, et cetera.

780
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: So the question becomes, Okay, how do you Is there

781
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: anything you've looked into as a staff out here at

782
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: training camp to try and counter that, right, and Ballard

783
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: is pretty adamant late in the press yesterday that this

784
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: will be a more physical training camp than we are

785
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: used to seeing, in that him and Chain second have

786
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: had long conversations. Now, I think creating an uber physical

787
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 2: atmospheric training camp is difficult in today's NFL world. Right

788
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: there are restrictions from a CBA standpoint, just from how

789
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 2: many full pad of practices you can have, how long

790
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: you can be out there, those sorts of things. Now,

791
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: tackling is always kind of a buzzword. I don't know

792
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: if people realize, but tackling is very minimal in NFL

793
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: training camps. And I would say this training camp in particular,

794
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: but Baller kind of doubled down on that on a

795
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: couple of different occasions. And I don't know if he

796
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: pointed to, like anything super specific within the practices we'll see,

797
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: but he just kind of said you'll notice it. You'll

798
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: notice it. Yeah, you know anything that you are I

799
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: don't know keeping an eye on or is this just

800
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: one of those things where it's the age old. I

801
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: don't know how to define it, but I know when

802
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: I see it.

803
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 5: I took that is, if you're not a star, you

804
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 5: might be getting thumped a little harder. For example, if

805
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 5: you're a DJ Giddens, you come through the whole, you.

806
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: Might the stars be thumping. If those are the ones playing.

807
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean, could you imagine if someone hits

808
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor's.

809
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: It's a fine line. And I don't know if i'm

810
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: necessitych Pittman Jr.

811
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 6: Who wants to fight everybody anyway?

812
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 7: Right?

813
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: Still, right? But like, okay, you were how many times

814
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: did Ballot say yesterday we got to be a better

815
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: tackling team at least twice?

816
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 6: When I was going back through the transcript.

817
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if I need to see

818
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: undrafted free agent out of Villanova tackling undrafted free agent

819
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: out of Mississippi running back because Week one, when you're

820
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: trying to tackles j in space or Tyreek Kill in space,

821
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: those guys aren't being asked to tackle. So again, I

822
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: think it's a let me be clear, I think it's

823
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: a difficult question in the twenty twenty five world that

824
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: we live in with the NFL and the restrictions on it.

825
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: But Baalot was pretty adamant that that is something they

826
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: have discussed, they have looked into, and it will be different.

827
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: So I must say again I'm not expecting it today.

828
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: I mean, hell, you can't wear full pads to win

829
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: Saturday Monday, right, I forget the exact rules on that,

830
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: but when we get there, well will the physicality be

831
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: and how will it look different? It's a very good question.

832
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 5: And I also think that again, if you're coming from

833
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: the Zaire Franklin school of thought, you could be hearing

834
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 5: some thumps throughout camp and kind of setting the tone there.

835
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 5: But they have to be better at starting and finishing

836
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 5: seasons because you're always playing uphill, and when you're always

837
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 5: playing uphill or trying to chase a spot, obviously that

838
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: margin for error strengths a ton. So you want to

839
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 5: go out there and try to do something different, Kevin,

840
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 5: which means when you're a season opener for the first

841
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 5: time in twenty thirteen, or were you in twenty thirteen.

842
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen, I was twenty three years old living in

843
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: broad Ribble browse Avenue right behind Stretard High School. That

844
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 2: place was a dump, but man, I loved it. Gosh,

845
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: we had some great parties.

846
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 5: I was a junior and high school in twenty thirteen,

847
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: so I was still had hoop dreams back then. Then

848
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 5: I stopped growing in the same size as my junior

849
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 5: year of high school, and I figured out very quickly

850
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 5: you should probably remember where the comments of the periods go,

851
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 5: because if you're gonna go to the NFL, NBA, it

852
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 5: will not be as an athlete.

853
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: Boy, my dreams were nightmares. The nightmare was hoping that

854
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: the Kasma roof wouldn't cave in on me when I'd

855
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: go downstairs. Yates are open here at Grand Park, fans

856
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: starting to trickle into the Westfield facility. Is weird. T

857
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: minus one hour away from the first practice of training

858
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: camp getting underway. AGA in an hour long session here

859
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: on this Wednesday morning, James Boyd, I must say, I

860
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: don't know if it's because you've been scouring the Nike

861
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: website for the last couple of minutes, but I must

862
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: say our next guest, I meant to compliment him. Did

863
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: you see that hat he was rocking yesterday?

864
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 7: Yeah?

865
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Speaker 6: He's always very well dressed.

866
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Speaker 5: And I will explain I'm searching for this because Evan Cheryl,

867
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 5: the lovely Evan Cheryl, was asking me what shorts I

868
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: was wearing today, and I'd look up what brand they were,

869
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 5: and I was double checking to make sure I could

870
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Speaker 5: send him the correct brand and name.

871
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Speaker 2: Boy, I'm gonna say I've done this show for four

872
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Speaker 2: years now. I don't know if anyone's ever asked me

873
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: any about my wardrobe in terms of interest. So I've

874
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: never been to this speedo. Well, yeah, this speedo.

875
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 5: We're still waiting, by the way, for someone to deliver

876
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 5: a homemade speedo at the request of Jeff.

877
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: Indeed, we are. Let's out of the payoffs Sickers hotline right now.

878
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: He was with us yesterday and I thought that Miami

879
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: Hattie was rocking. Was a great one. Stephen Holder from ESPN, Steven,

880
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: I meant to say that to you. I liked the

881
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: hat choice yesterday from you. With football season right around

882
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: the corner, Hey.

883
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 8: You listen, anything I can find on the clearance rack

884
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 8: looks good to me. So uh yeah, and I guess

885
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 8: I I'm mulling. I'm mulling right now. Some friends of

886
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 8: mine still like this. Kevin. This season open.

887
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 7: Week one, Labor Day weekend. I don't know if I

888
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 7: can pull.

889
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 8: It off because we will probably have to be back

890
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 8: that Monday. But we'll see, we'll see. We're talking about it.

891
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Notre Dame opens up their football season and

892
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: down there against Steven's Hurricanes. Last time Notre Dame went

893
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: down there to play the U. It did not go well.

894
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 2: That is a Sunday night game August thirty. First, boy,

895
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: I cannot wait. Gosh, I don't feel good though. Now

896
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: they've got the Georgia transfer right, Carson Bett transfer to

897
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: Miami to be their quarterback with Cam mordigone.

898
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 7: They do, they do.

899
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 8: I'm cautiously optimistic, but you know, we'll see. He was

900
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 8: so hot and cold last year. I just don't know

901
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 8: what they.

902
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 4: Got, I know.

903
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, So Steven autiez this earlier on the.

904
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Speaker 7: Show, cam Ward just to be Claire cam Ward Claire.

905
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 5: I think we all kind of realized that for sure,

906
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 5: but to pivot a bit and what I guess more

907
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 5: culturlated quarterback news and really team news one of the

908
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 5: things I teased earlier throughout the show and for listeners

909
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 5: who stuck around, you know, I was telling Kevin Harry,

910
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 5: here's just that I have for you. So obviously, they

911
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 5: haven't won a season opener since twenty thirteen, but also

912
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 5: from the weeks sixteen through eighteen, since twenty twenty, the

913
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: last year they made the playoff.

914
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 6: They're five and nine.

915
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 5: They don't finish season as well either, So if we

916
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: think it's true, it does you know back it up

917
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 5: with the data. So, Stephen, when you heard Kevin ask

918
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 5: Chris Valley yesterday how do you all start and finish

919
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 5: seasons better? And he mentioned physicality, what was your reaction

920
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 5: to that and perhaps having a more physical training camp.

921
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

922
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 8: I mean this is something that Shame Sichin had alluded

923
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 8: to before, and I apparently they're they're sticking to that idea.

924
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 7: I like it because I think, frankly, you.

925
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 8: Have to do something different that I don't know if

926
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 8: it's gonna work. I don't know what the answer is,

927
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 8: but they don't know either. That's why they're trying something different.

928
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 8: I thought Chris Ballard was one hundred percent right when

929
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 8: he talked about the way they have ended seasons, and

930
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 8: the players talked about it too. I think it is

931
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 8: a huge indictment because the games that matter the most

932
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 8: are the ones that determine how your season's gonna go.

933
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 8: The games with the most pressure are the games late

934
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 8: in the season when there's a lot in the line,

935
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 8: and that is when they are at their worst. What

936
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 8: does that say about you as a football team if

937
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 8: when the games are the most important, you play at

938
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Speaker 8: your worst.

939
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't think.

940
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 8: You can you can explain that as anything more than

941
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 8: an indictment. So for them to change the results, they

942
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 8: have to show up when it matters most. I think

943
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 8: they have a lot of talent, but they have had talent,

944
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 8: maybe not enough, but they've had talent. They've been a

945
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 8: good roster through and through. They just can't get it

946
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 8: done when it matters most.

947
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Speaker 2: Steven Holder from ESPN with us here on the Payloss

948
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: Slickers hotline. Steven, I thought we had an interesting question

949
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: from Tyler earlier in the show, and I wanted to

950
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: share it with you. In regards to the quarterback competition,

951
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: Tyler said this, if both quarterbacks are fairly even through

952
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: camp in the preseason and there's no clear winner, who

953
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: would then be named the starter?

954
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 7: You know?

955
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 8: Okay, So I've been thinking a lot about all of

956
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 8: this because I have to now where I'm back from vacation,

957
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 8: and I have been for Hey, listen, I care, I

958
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 8: really do care, but I gotta be honest, Like the

959
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 8: wheels were turning slow initially, but I would say this,

960
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 8: I have been telling people throughout the off season I

961
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 8: was leaning a little more toward Daniel Jones, but then

962
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 8: look we're allowed to change our minds. And I will say,

963
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 8: just kind of thinking about this and also listening to

964
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 8: Chris Ballard yesterday, I wonder if.

965
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 7: Something else might be the case.

966
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 8: And I think what Tyler laid out there is actually

967
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 8: great for this thought process I've had, which is, if

968
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 8: it's close, maybe you just start Anthony Richardson to start

969
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 8: the season. You can always change, you can always go

970
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 8: to the other guy, and if he gets hurt, then

971
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 8: he gets hurt, and then you have your answer on

972
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 8: what he is. He's a guy who can't stay el

973
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 8: thees right. So I think if you, if they truly

974
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 8: want to see Anthony Richardson get every opportunity, well then you.

975
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 7: Got to start him.

976
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 8: Unless it's unless he loses, just flat out loses the battles.

977
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 8: But if if he if he holds his own, then

978
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 8: you got to start him. Otherwise, what is the point

979
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 8: of everything Chris Balerd said yesterday, what is even the

980
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 8: point that words?

981
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: Sorry? Do you think Shane Sichen thinks that, uh that.

982
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 8: That's where I don't know, And and I think Shane

983
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 8: Sichin is of the opinion like brother, I gotta win

984
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 8: and I don't care who plays and if if that

985
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 8: means Daniel Jones play because I know he's gonna be

986
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 8: out there, then that then so be it.

987
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 7: I think Shane stichin. I don't know who he prefers.

988
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna put words in his mouth, but I

989
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 8: will tell you this. I will tell you this. I

990
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 8: know that he believes he can win with Daniel Jones

991
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 8: just as much as he can win with Anthony Richardson,

992
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 8: because what he wants is, sir, and you want, I

993
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 8: know the guy is going to run the player that

994
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 8: I call, He's going to be out there, et cetera,

995
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 8: et cetera. I think Shane is very confident in his

996
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 8: offensive calling ability and so that's where he probably comes

997
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 8: down on it. But the fact remains, the bigger upside

998
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 8: and the bigger return on investment might be Anthony Richardson.

999
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 8: In fact, I think it is if he's on the field.

1000
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: So out.

1001
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 6: And he did not hold back.

1002
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 5: He blasted last year's defense, saying it was the worst

1003
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 5: one he's been a part of since coming to Indianapolis.

1004
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 5: And he's been here one, two, three, four, five years

1005
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 5: now going into the sixth season. So when you hear

1006
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 5: that from a team leader, how much confidence or perhaps

1007
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 5: you know, how much difference did this defense look? Considering that,

1008
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 5: I would think that the front office agreed with him

1009
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 5: and they made some wholesale changes with the new defensive

1010
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 5: coordinator brought in cam Bine them intravarious wards. So when

1011
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 5: you hear Buckner react like that, how much do you

1012
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 5: think that perhaps, you know, just ignited a little more

1013
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 5: fuel to change some things. And that's on that side

1014
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 5: of the ball.

1015
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

1016
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 8: He hasn't said this specifically, but I think it's pretty

1017
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 8: clear the Forrest Buckner after last season, he had some

1018
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 8: things to say, and I mean internally, I think that

1019
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 8: is very clear. I think everything he said to us,

1020
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 8: I believe he said that and more inside in those

1021
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 8: meetings with the staff, with Chris Ballard, et cetera, because

1022
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 8: it needed to be said. His voice carries a lot

1023
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 8: of weight around here, and he has been a little

1024
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 8: bit passive about how he's viewed the situation. At the

1025
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 8: end of these seasons. He has been frustrated, Don't get

1026
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 8: me wrong, but he has been a little bit deferential

1027
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 8: and saying, look, you know last year he said, look,

1028
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 8: I trust Chris Ballard. After twenty twenty two, We were like,

1029
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 8: why are you still here, Like why didn't you demand

1030
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 8: a trade? And he was like, well, I trust Chris.

1031
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 8: He says he has a plan, et cetera, et cetera,

1032
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 8: And I don't think he was.

1033
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 7: Deferential this time. And certainly lou Anon Rumo.

1034
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 8: I think it's the biggest reason that that Mooney Ward

1035
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 8: and cam binam are here and that we saw, you know,

1036
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 8: sort of a defensive influence in the draft.

1037
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 7: I think that is mostly.

1038
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 8: Due to lou Anomo, but I'm not so sure that

1039
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 8: the forest fucking didn't play a role in that too.

1040
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 8: And I think it's great. I think that he has

1041
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 8: the standing to go in there and say what needs

1042
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 8: to be said, and it's important that they listened to

1043
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 8: him because the locker room listens to him. So I

1044
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 8: think it's pretty clear to me Forrest Buckner had an

1045
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 8: impact on the off season.

1046
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: In my opinion, he is Steven Holder. You find his

1047
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: work at ESPN dot com. We saw him in Bristol

1048
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: last week there on set there of NFL Live against

1049
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: Colts the first trade cap. Do you think Spencer s.

1050
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: Trader is the first player in the field or do

1051
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 2: you think that's because we can only see this portion

1052
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: of the field.

1053
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 5: It might be just his portion of the field because

1054
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 5: it looks like special teamer is because cause that is

1055
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 5: indeed he strikes the.

1056
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: Stone that would be out here very early. Steven non quarterback,

1057
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe we'll take kicker off the

1058
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: board too. Position battle you think matters the most, or

1059
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: one that you care the most about.

1060
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 8: I think I think linebacker is interesting to me because

1061
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 8: who are the linebackers? I mean, it's a position that

1062
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 8: I mean, let's be honest, Zira Franklin isn't going to

1063
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 8: practice today or maybe for a few days.

1064
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 7: So who's playing linebacker today? I don't know. Your guests

1065
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 7: is as good as mine.

1066
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 8: I mean it might it might be me, or it

1067
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 8: would be except I hurt my back the other day,

1068
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 8: so so I'm out.

1069
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1070
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 8: I just I'm not saying it's the most important position

1071
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 8: in this scheme. It clearly is not, and Luanna Roumo

1072
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 8: doesn't seem really stressed about it. But but I mean,

1073
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 8: somebody's gonna have to go out there and cover tight

1074
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 8: ends and play over the middle and do those important things.

1075
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 8: So I don't want to gloss over it, you know,

1076
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 8: I just think they've done that before with other positions

1077
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 8: and you saw how that turned out. Now they were

1078
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 8: more important positions, like the secondary and like the offensive

1079
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 8: line at times where Chris Ballard had those blind spots.

1080
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 7: But linebacker, there are some potential there.

1081
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 8: Don't get me wrong, There is some potential, but we've

1082
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 8: got to see it guys like Carlis and so forth.

1083
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 8: But you know, that's a dangerous word, you know what

1084
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 8: I mean? And again, they will be involved in some

1085
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 8: very important matchups. So I got to see it. I

1086
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 8: got to see what they got there.

1087
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Speaker 5: So Steven, I do want to pivot to what I

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Speaker 5: thought was one of the bigger moments of the press conference,

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Speaker 5: y say, with Chris Ballard, where pressed on Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 5: and why he doesn't think it's a make or break season.

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Speaker 5: He mentioned Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, but as we've

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Speaker 5: all pointed out in our discussions in the media room,

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Speaker 5: those guys change teams. So, yeah, what did you think

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Speaker 5: of his response to the question about Anthony and you know,

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00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 5: preaching more patients and also can you name a quarterback?

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Speaker 5: And I you know, sorry putting you on the spot,

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Speaker 5: but just in recent memory that has been through the

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Speaker 5: things that Anthony has been through with one team and

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Speaker 5: has come back and still been very good for that

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Speaker 5: same team.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 8: I Actually I would argue there aren't there's not a

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Speaker 8: long list, if it lists at all. Now, this is

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Speaker 8: what I talked about last year when when he was

1105
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Speaker 8: benched and and and the you know, the company line was, look,

1106
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Speaker 8: we're not done with him. And my argument was, well,

1107
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Speaker 8: everybody else has done this was done with that quarterback,

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00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 8: so what's the difference. Now, granted they did they did

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Speaker 8: reinsert him into the starting lineup because you know, the

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Speaker 8: alternative wasn't good either, which was Joe Flacco, which, by

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Speaker 8: the way, I am done by all the assumptions in

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Speaker 8: Cleveland that Joe Flacco is the fault starter to start

1113
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 8: the season. All right, good luck with that. But anyhow,

1114
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Speaker 8: and I love Joe, but like, come on, so anyway,

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Speaker 8: staying on task here, I do think that that it's

1116
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 8: a little bit of a stretch, There's no question about it. Look,

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00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 8: those guys Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, they not only

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Speaker 8: changed teams, but it also took like six years. Okay,

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Speaker 8: so you know, be careful how you be careful for

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Speaker 8: the examples you use. Now that being said, I actually

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00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 8: welcome the concept that you know, we're not going to

1122
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 8: rush to We're not going to make snap judgments. I mean, look,

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Speaker 8: that judgment is not going to go beyond this year.

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Speaker 8: The decisions will be made about Anthony Richardson this year.

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Speaker 8: I mean, that's very clear. But you don't have to

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Speaker 8: make it today, you know what I mean? And I

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00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 8: think I think it's okay to say right now, Look,

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Speaker 8: let's let's just play out a little bit. He's only

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00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 8: played seventeen games now. His health is his health. We

1130
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 8: can't put a happy face on that. If he has

1131
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 8: a hangnail in this training camp, it's going to be

1132
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 8: devastating for him. He has to be out there every day.

1133
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 8: He cannot miss a snap. He's got to be out

1134
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Speaker 8: there and not have setbacks.

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Speaker 7: If he does that, then.

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Speaker 8: Let's see what he can do right with a little

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Speaker 8: bit of time on task. I mean a little consistency

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Speaker 8: and continuity. I don't know what that might look like

1139
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 8: because we've never seen it from him, but I think

1140
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Speaker 8: it's worth at least trying to see.

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Speaker 7: If you know what that looks like.

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Speaker 2: Steven last one and I am I don't know if

1143
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: I'm just lazy today or if we've just gotten some

1144
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: great listener questions. And Larry asked this of us yesterday,

1145
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Speaker 2: and I thought it'd be a good question to throw

1146
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: off of some other people. And you know, we're in

1147
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 2: kind of a weird time, you know, with Jim Merseay,

1148
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of past precedent, the kind of base

1149
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: decision making off of with Carli ers Gordon, there's not that.

1150
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Speaker 2: But Larry asked this, do you think it's as black

1151
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: and white as playoffs are bust? Or do you think

1152
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: of Anthony Rigardson proves he can be the starter next season,

1153
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Speaker 2: yet they don't make the playoffs? That would say Chris

1154
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: Ballard and changed second for another year.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there is always it's always complicated because it's I

1156
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 8: don't think it's ever as simple as what's the record.

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Speaker 7: And do they make the playoffs with any team? Right?

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00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 8: I mean the season's ebb and flow, what do they

1159
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 8: look like? What happened? How did you get there? I

1160
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 8: think all of that is gonna matter. But I would

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00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 8: also say this nine years for Chris Ballard, one playoff victory.

1162
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Speaker 8: He has to wear that man, And it's a really

1163
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 8: tough thing to make an argument against. If he doesn't

1164
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Speaker 8: get there this year, I would say I sent a

1165
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 8: tone around the franchise right now, and to the player's credit,

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Speaker 8: I think they're saying the right thing. They're saying playoff

1167
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 8: or bus all right, So why should we hold Chris

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Speaker 8: Ballard to a different standard?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 8: The question is, I'm not determining the standard. Carly Ersa

1171
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Speaker 8: and her sisters are right, but I but I do think,

1172
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 8: I do think they have a high standard, and I

1173
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 8: don't I know that this is not okay with them.

1174
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 8: This is not okay. I mean that woman that sat

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00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 8: up there at that podium back in June is not

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Speaker 8: someone who's okay with the results that they've had.

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Speaker 7: That is very clear to me.

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Speaker 8: And I think we all that all came across to

1179
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Speaker 8: all of those right. So if I were Chris Ballard,

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Speaker 8: I would I would hope that this season goes well

1181
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 8: into January, otherwise I would not feel very comfortable about

1182
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Speaker 8: my future.

1183
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 7: That's what I'd say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I echo that as well. Stephen Holder

1185
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 2: from ESPN, debating a trip to watch the U take

1186
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 2: on Notre Dame in Week one. I would highly encourage

1187
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: that although I hope he has a mopi plane ride

1188
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: home because I'm a pathetic fan like that. Stephen, We

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Speaker 2: will see you in a bit. Safe travels across town,

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Speaker 2: all right, See you feel