1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey now says he's homeless, And I think this 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: interview did with the Telegraph is fascinating. It's Kenell Casey'sjohn 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: and Rob the Casey's here. So Kevin Spacey, he was 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: a blockbuster, you know, Hollywood star, all sorts of famous movies. 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: Then struck gold with House of Cards. 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: He was arguably look for whether that show I think 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: started in twenty twelve, and what was it? Was it 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen that he got the boot over the allegations 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: of sexual impropriety. There was like a four or five 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: year window there where he may have been the biggest 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: star in Hollywood, as popular as that show was on Netflix, 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: and then the Me Too movement happens. His career gets 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: totally derailed by all these allegations of sexual impropriety. 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: But what's fasting about Spacey? 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: Unlike a Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, I don't think it has 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: ever been convicted of anything. 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: He was acquitted and these like the. 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Civil litigations I think got thrown out. Now he was 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: accused of all this horrible behavior and but you look 20 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: at this and go okay, But he never was convicted. 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: And like I said, I think everything else got thrown out. 22 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: I could be wrong. Maybe there was some civil judgment 23 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: against him, but he is saying because of the legal 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: bills that he had to incur, he has now been 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: forced to sell his home. He's basically staying living in 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: and out of hotels and airbnbs, and because of the 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: stain of the allegations against. 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: Him, nobody wants to touch him. He can't get work. Yeah, 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: he said. All of his belongings are in storage. He's 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: living in hotels and airbnbs, and he's traveling wherever he 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: can find work, which isn't a lot. He went on 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 3: to say that he would love to return to work 33 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 3: and that a call from somebody like Martin Scorsese or 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 3: Quentin Tarantino could change everything for him. 35 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: And do you remember this. I don't know if it 36 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 2: was you or when it was. 37 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Mock was still here after he got off on one 38 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: of these because there were multiple charges he was facing, 39 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: or maybe he was in lead up to one of 40 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: the court cases. He did a video as the guy 41 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: from House of Cards in the full character mode, and 42 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: basically he was like, bringing on, I'm not going anywhere, 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: and he was very you know, all the bravado of 44 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: that of that character. And yet even though he was acquitted, 45 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: the allegations themselves have been enough to sink one of 46 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: the biggest names in Hollywood. 47 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: Right, So he pled not guilty to sexual assault and 48 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: other charges, and you know, he said, it's been a 49 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: really humbling experience from the outcome. 50 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: He wants to work. 51 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: There's been some people that have come out, like Sharon 52 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: Stone and Liam Neeson saying that the industry needs him 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: and misses him, and they've called him a genius and 54 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 3: he's a good man. 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: He was great actor, doubt he was. 56 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: But if you're sinking millions of dollars into something, would 57 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 3: you risk that by putting his name on the marquet? 58 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: Well, that's the broader conversation is should allegations be enough 59 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: to sink some individual when that person has has been 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: acquitted of wrongdoing on multiple occasions? Now, you know, being 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: putting yourself in a bad situation repeatedly, or not learning 62 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: a lesson from things, or being a. 63 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: Weirdo doesn't make you a criminal. It doesn't. It doesn't. 64 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: Know, nobody does turn people off from wanting to work 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: with you. 66 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if we're going to go after every weirdo 67 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, nobody almost nobody be working. But there's a 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: difference between I'm a criminal and they've engaged in criminal, unconsensual, 69 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: illegal behavior versus I'm a guy who's really exposed himself 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: maybe literally right, and put myself in a bad situation. 71 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: And but he just, like part of me wants to 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: feel bad for him because. 73 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: He can't recover from this, even though he was acquitted. 74 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, he says that his expenses over the past seven 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: years have been astronomical and he's got little income coming in, 76 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 3: and that starting over has been humbling, and he's shifted 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: his relationship with fame. He now just enjoys interacting openly 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: with people and walking with his head high. I mean, 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 3: that's that's got to be. 80 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: A lot when you're that famous and that rich and 81 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: you are at the top of your game, to go 82 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: to the bottom climbing back up. 83 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: Why that's how do you do it? That could be 84 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: a movie itself, It could. 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: I think part of the thing is the allegations. Did 86 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: they not involve someone under age? 87 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: I believe so. 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: Wasn't one of these sexual improprieties. 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 3: And so there's a lot of people who say, well, 90 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 3: where there's smoke, there's fire even if he wasn't found guilty, but. 91 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: Even look at let's okay. 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: So let's take another example of someone who doesn't involve 93 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: underage and has basically essentially been found and never even 94 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: made it to a trial. 95 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: But Trevor Bauer picture for the loss. 96 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: He was the picture for the Reds and then the 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Dodgers was arguably the best pitcher in baseball. 98 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: This woman makes this horrible complaint about him and their 99 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: sexual encounters, and Bower comes out and goes, wait a second, 100 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: this woman. 101 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: Asked for all of this the way we engaged in sex. 102 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: I got the text messages she tried to what I 103 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: get a restraining order against him. He wins at every 104 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: level in the court case. He's completely vindicated, and yet 105 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: no one in baseball. 106 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: Will touch him. And he's going, wait a second. 107 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: People have lives where they engage in rough, consensual sex 108 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: if both people agree to it and one person asked 109 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: for it, which I have these messages showing and then 110 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: later showing that she was trying to exploit him for. 111 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: Money or whatever. 112 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: And yet nobody in baseball will touch this guy, and 113 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: he would still probably be one of the best players 114 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball. But yet he has to pitch 115 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: in Japan now or last I heard he was pitching 116 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: in Japan. 117 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: For what he did. 118 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: Both people agreed that they wanted this. He's got the 119 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: messages proving it. The legal system agreed with him on this. 120 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: And he can't get a job in baseball. 121 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's people who say, you know what, that's 122 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: too much baggage, that's too much heat. We can get 123 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: somebody who's very similar. 124 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: No, you can't get somebody that pins like Trevor. 125 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 3: Pauer, somebody without all that negativity surrounding him. 126 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: Maybe true, but but for years athletes have been all 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: the trouble. Not all athletes, but there were been scumbags 128 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: and drug users and all and and you know, all 129 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: that stuff got forgiven. And so I just I think 130 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: it's a very it's a very odd thing that people who, 131 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: in the case of Kevin Spacey, was acquitted Jerry found him, 132 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: uh not not guilty multiple times the civil proceedings fell apart. 133 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: A great example locally be someone like Curtis Hill. Curtis 134 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: Hill was never charged with anything criminally, he was the 135 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: ethics t czar the found him in any ethics violations. 136 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: The civil lawsuits mostly fell apart. He was got to 137 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: slap on the wrist from the Disciplinary Commission, but its 138 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: political career is basically done. 139 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I still feel that people think, you know what, 140 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: life is difficult enough. Running businesses is hard enough. We 141 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: don't need that. We can go elsewhere.