Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the France Second podcast. I'm
Speaker 2: your house for the evening. My name is Mike.
Speaker 1: Next to me, I have Spike, what up? Damn?
Speaker 2: Across from Spike, I have Ken and Ros punk Ass
Speaker 2: didn't see this, so he ain't here, so we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about this just us three. We are talking about
Speaker 2: black Phone two.
Speaker 1: This is the.
Speaker 2: Newest film from Scott Derekson, who also did Blackphone One.
Speaker 2: Stars Mason Thames, Ethan Hagg, Madeline McGraw and yeah, let's
Speaker 2: do a quick round the room.
Speaker 1: First off, Spike, did you see black Phone one? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: Did you like Black Phone two? No?
Speaker 3: Damn, I don't think it was like one was fine,
Speaker 3: even though with me not being a big horror fan,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't enough like creepiness to it. It felt
Speaker 3: kind of realistic. Two I didn't. I didn't like the
Speaker 3: supernatural stuff. I didn't like the yet. You know, I've
Speaker 3: never seen Nightmare on and Holm Street. I don't like
Speaker 3: dream horror. So yeah, it was a lot of excessive
Speaker 3: Like when they kept cutting to the imagery, I knew
Speaker 3: what they were doing as far as their dreams of
Speaker 3: trying to give us context to the Little Boys, but
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. Okay, Ken, did you like this?
Speaker 4: I questioned the need to make a sequel, damn. Re
Speaker 4: position the movie around the sister made sense and adding
Speaker 4: to the lore of Black Pom. I definitely really enjoyed
Speaker 4: the first one. This one was slow at times for me.
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was bad overall, but it really
Speaker 4: was only really picked up towards the end. Well, we
Speaker 4: got some pretty cool shots. I'm skating across the ice,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 2: I do think it was a bit too much of
Speaker 2: a homage to other films, like he wore his influences
Speaker 2: on his sleeve. A bit too much for me. But
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. Man, I sat down. I had a
Speaker 2: good time with it. I thought the story was fun.
Speaker 2: It was very different from the first one, but I
Speaker 2: had a good time. So I'm here for Black Foam three.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be three. You know it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a three. You know it's gonna be a three.
Speaker 2: The motherfucker when they pushed him into the lake and
Speaker 2: they made him grab his mask, I was like, why
Speaker 2: would he do that? Because he was gonna be a three,
Speaker 2: So so yeah, all right, Well it kicks off in
Speaker 2: Rocky Mountain, Colorado in nineteen sixty seven. We see a
Speaker 2: young girl named Hope Adler is on a pay phone,
Speaker 2: but after being startled by what she's seen to be
Speaker 2: hearing on the call, she runs off, which takes us
Speaker 2: to North Denver in nineteen eighty two, So this is
Speaker 2: four years later after the events of the first movie.
Speaker 1: So, Spike, was it good to see Finny and Gwen again? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 3: And I like they took del Marsh from the first one.
Speaker 3: He's like the blood these more impact than he was
Speaker 3: beating the dude. I liked seeing Finnie not be like
Speaker 3: a little getting bullied.
Speaker 1: I like to see him being like the Finnie that
Speaker 1: was kind of a badass. Was it good to see
Speaker 1: them again? Kin? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know kind of what Spike said opening
Speaker 4: with that scene in him, you know, paying tribute to
Speaker 4: his friend Robin Robin. Yeah, yeah, it was was dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was.
Speaker 2: I didn't really look at the trailer too hard, so
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize they brought back the same two actors,
Speaker 2: and I thought that was good because they both looked
Speaker 2: like they you know, they've grown up a little bit,
Speaker 2: and it was Yeah, it was good to see Finn
Speaker 2: again and whooping some serious ass.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but he's definitely grown up.
Speaker 2: We see that Finny's still disturbed by what he went
Speaker 2: through with the grabber. We also see that Gwenn is
Speaker 2: now having dreams about that little boy from from getting murdered,
Speaker 2: and she also has a dream about a boy and
Speaker 2: a jean jacket getting murdered. So was this you're talking
Speaker 2: about Spike that you know? It was bouncing back and
Speaker 2: forth between the visions and stuff. Was any of this
Speaker 2: interesting to you?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Damn the reason?
Speaker 3: And Jayla said that funny text about the funny movie
Speaker 3: that scared Movies don't scare me per se. It's just
Speaker 3: that people characters have to make really dumb decisions in
Speaker 3: order for the new movie to work. And that's what
Speaker 3: I don't want. I thought you got scared about something.
Speaker 3: It was a trailer, wasn't out?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: This trailer was creepy. The ice state and the ice
Speaker 1: that's what got you, the ice skating? Who is kid?
Speaker 1: Was any of that stuff interesting to you? Just to
Speaker 1: see where they're gonna go? Is it? You know? I
Speaker 1: haven't seen the first you knew it.
Speaker 4: There was a meaning to it, that something was going
Speaker 4: on with that, and they were kind of playing more
Speaker 4: into the psychic powers of the sisters.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I thought this shit was tight. Man.
Speaker 2: I thought the way they did the whole visions things,
Speaker 2: I thought it was cool. You know, it was a
Speaker 2: bit cheesy because they played the like vinyl scratching in
Speaker 2: the backgrounds. Was like, oh, you know that we're not
Speaker 2: in the real world, we're in her head.
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool.
Speaker 2: But I think the most interesting thing is that they
Speaker 2: went all the way. There were showing these little kids
Speaker 2: getting fucked up, chopped up, fucking thrown in a fire
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck them kids. I like it.
Speaker 2: But that little boy from from does he have like that,
Speaker 2: not like that Gary Coleman thing or something.
Speaker 1: Because he's not a kid. Yeah, but the kids, I said,
Speaker 1: he looked familiar. I was like, what do I know that.
Speaker 2: Look from You've seen from right, the main little kid,
Speaker 2: he was the good kid. No, no, no, no, that
Speaker 2: was a kid after he was the one. I can't
Speaker 2: remember how he got murdered, but he yeah, he was
Speaker 2: the main kid. But he still looks like the same kid.
Speaker 2: From season one of.
Speaker 1: From He has not grown. It's like he must have
Speaker 1: that Gary Coleman because I don't understand. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: was in this. But yeah, Gwen wanders back to the house.
Speaker 2: Where the grabber had Finny and we see that she's
Speaker 2: actually talking to her mom on the phone.
Speaker 1: Helwich traces back to the phone call at the beginning.
Speaker 1: You didn't like this, by no, you didn't. Never forget
Speaker 1: what the kid's last name is? What kid? That little
Speaker 1: boyfriend from Colemans see, I'm on the something man. His
Speaker 1: name is Simon. I'm on something. The mother fucking age,
Speaker 1: Something's wrong. I thought this was dope.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're early into the movie, her talking to
Speaker 4: her mom. You know, we heard the story of the
Speaker 4: mom in the first one, what we were told or
Speaker 4: what they knew the story to be at the time,
Speaker 4: and you know they didn't really drag out the beginning
Speaker 4: of the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 4: They were like really saying, oh, yeah, she's talking to
Speaker 4: her mom. So I was like, Okay, where they're gonna
Speaker 4: take this. This could be interesting, you know, partnering over
Speaker 4: the mom to solve you know, a murder mystery murder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, liked how they called back to it and you
Speaker 3: found out who it was. I did like kind of
Speaker 3: living in big which at the beginning, like.
Speaker 1: Who the hell is she talking to? Yeah? That was
Speaker 1: that was good. Uh, it was some good storytelling in this.
Speaker 2: So on some points, Yeah, yeah, I thought all this
Speaker 2: was was interesting because I thought the same thing are
Speaker 2: they gonna is she gonna team up with her dead
Speaker 2: mom from the past to figure out who's killing people now?
Speaker 2: Because again I didn't watch the whole trailer, so I
Speaker 2: wasn't even sure if this was actually the Grabber.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if the Grabber has turned into a
Speaker 1: demon or whatever.
Speaker 2: But uh, but yeah, determined to figure out what happened,
Speaker 2: Gwen convince his finish and her Nesto, who was the
Speaker 2: brother of Robin who was killed in the first movie,
Speaker 2: convinced them to go to Alpine Lake Christian Camp, which
Speaker 2: is where her mother worked and was calling from inner vision.
Speaker 2: So they go there in a blizzard, which I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and say it. I was like, this should
Speaker 2: makes no sense, y'all can't go tomorrow. They said, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get out and walk in front of the car blizzard.
Speaker 1: That was kind of smart. They couldn't see it made sense,
Speaker 1: but it was still like.
Speaker 2: This was a bit dumb because it was like, okay,
Speaker 2: as your father, No, y'all not about to get in
Speaker 2: this car with this other fucking sixteen year old boy
Speaker 2: and drive in a blizzard. Now, man, I mean, granted,
Speaker 2: they didn't have fucking internet back then to look up blizzards,
Speaker 2: but you had to know that blizzard was coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everybody else, everybody else didn't. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: we called, y'all, we didn't get the call. What what?
Speaker 2: So yeah, this was kind of this was kind of
Speaker 2: stupid writing. They could have figured out a better way
Speaker 2: for them to end up at this camp. But so yeah,
Speaker 2: so they go there and they meet Armando, his niece,
Speaker 2: Mustang Barb and her husband Ken, and once their Finny
Speaker 2: starts getting phone calls from the grabber and Gwen has
Speaker 2: another dream of a murdered kid. So what do you
Speaker 2: think about about this scene? This is where the little
Speaker 2: boyfriend from was under the bed.
Speaker 3: And then she went to go sleep with the boys,
Speaker 3: and the boys I think that was bro one having
Speaker 3: her sleep there alone. I feel like she could have
Speaker 3: slept in Mustang's cabin or something like that.
Speaker 1: I thought Mustang said something about, yeah, but you can't
Speaker 1: put that little girl over there by herself.
Speaker 3: And they didn't know it was they had been saying
Speaker 3: where she had been happening there for years. We just
Speaker 3: throw this little girl over here by herself. And that
Speaker 3: was petty as hell. Yeah, so I thought that was petty.
Speaker 3: But the dream scene, it was crazy. I figured it
Speaker 3: would happen, but I liked how it played out when
Speaker 3: like she's seen him in her dream and then she
Speaker 3: you know, went to go investigate it.
Speaker 1: She would, so it worked. It was dope.
Speaker 4: I mean, you you know that something gonna pop up, right,
Speaker 4: you know, you just don't know when, so you're sitting
Speaker 4: there just kind of waiting for it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because when she.
Speaker 3: Was like, don't you look at some of that bad and.
Speaker 1: Then that she was screaming her ass off.
Speaker 2: That little fucking from from is under the day of
Speaker 2: bed and then you know that he's not a kid
Speaker 2: and he's really fucking thirty eight years old.
Speaker 1: He only got killed because he looked like a child.
Speaker 2: Then that part was creepy to me, that whole and
Speaker 2: especially when the kid was looking in the window and
Speaker 2: the grabber broke the glass.
Speaker 1: Or whatever, and then the glass and sliced his face off.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, this is tight, and I think
Speaker 1: you put that motherfucker back on. Actually, is he gonna
Speaker 1: see where you're going? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But yeah, the whole Hell's not Hell's not flames Phinneott's ice.
Speaker 1: And that ship was good all right.
Speaker 2: So during a discussion with Armando, they discovered that he
Speaker 2: knew their mother, Hope, which I can't lie.
Speaker 1: I thought that she was kind of funny.
Speaker 2: So he was like, oh, Starlight, I remember Starlight back
Speaker 2: in the that hold on, Now, what's your mama?
Speaker 1: Todays day?
Speaker 2: You were fine ass, she was, but now she's back
Speaker 2: down here for some reason.
Speaker 1: But uh.
Speaker 2: The next night, Finn gets another call on the phone
Speaker 2: from the Grabber and he blames Finn for making him
Speaker 2: kill his own brother, and he vows to get revenge
Speaker 2: by taking his sister away simultaneously. This part didn't make
Speaker 2: any sense to me either. One of those punk ass
Speaker 2: kids leads Gwynn straight to the grabber and what did
Speaker 2: y'all think about what went down in that kitchen?
Speaker 1: Or was it the kitchen whereber the fun they were? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think so, you know, I thought his motivation was
Speaker 4: was was good, you know, made for why he wanted
Speaker 4: to do that and to target her and really make
Speaker 4: this center around her because we already settled the ship.
Speaker 4: He won that, you know, so let me go get
Speaker 4: her and this is the reason why. And I was
Speaker 4: really curious to see, like what does that look like
Speaker 4: to other people? And when that mother was swinging around
Speaker 4: like that and being tossed around, I think they had
Speaker 4: the most honest reactions that you can ever see.
Speaker 1: I ain't taking my ass over what's going on, but
Speaker 1: I ain't involved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did not budget or move I just think though,
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, it's a movie, but I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: you could have just easily just tossed never be done
Speaker 4: with it. Yeah, but that was the only thing he
Speaker 4: didn't have to you know, prolonging out. But nevertheless, though
Speaker 4: it still was dope. He wanted to kick her ass though.
Speaker 1: I have a theory about why he didn't kill her immediately.
Speaker 1: But I did like her.
Speaker 3: I thought it was the best part of the movie
Speaker 3: when Barbed and her when she first met Barbed.
Speaker 2: She got always been a sanctimony as twat she was good,
Speaker 2: she had goods.
Speaker 1: First one, Yeah, she was hilarious.
Speaker 3: But I thought that scene was crazy, especially seeing it
Speaker 3: like without the grab her actually in the room, and
Speaker 3: then their responses to it, like what you said, King,
Speaker 3: that was very interesting.
Speaker 1: It was like, what was it?
Speaker 3: What's the other movie where the child's possessed? There's a
Speaker 3: lot of them, like poultry guys or something like that,
Speaker 3: or remember a child That's what I was trying to
Speaker 3: think of, excess. It reminded me of that, you know.
Speaker 3: I was surprised when Fan ran in. Fann didn't even
Speaker 3: go try to save his sister.
Speaker 1: He's but he ran in and was surprised because she
Speaker 1: was floating. That's your sister. He never seen anything like
Speaker 1: that before the grabber guy though, you know, the grabber guy,
Speaker 1: and she ain't she was supposed to be doing that.
Speaker 3: He didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't understand what the fun was going on. All
Speaker 2: he thought was his sister floating and bloody. So I'm
Speaker 2: sure he paused for a second. Then he's like, all right,
Speaker 2: it's my sister, I gotta go. It was like what
Speaker 2: the movie?
Speaker 1: Right? He didn't he he didn't go over there until
Speaker 1: she fail down. No, that's not true.
Speaker 2: They were trying to pull her in the damn. I mean,
Speaker 2: to be honest, Gwyn probably should have died because at
Speaker 2: any people in this movie, she has the worst survival instinct.
Speaker 2: She looks up and the grabber coming at you with
Speaker 2: a fucking act, so she just standing there. Turn your
Speaker 2: little dumbass around and run thoo. But I liked this part.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really, really, really dope.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, this is one of those
Speaker 2: scenes that I thought was way too much of an
Speaker 2: homage because this is exactly what happened in Nightmare on
Speaker 2: Elm Street. So it was just like, all right, man,
Speaker 2: we've seen this what happened when though, I mean, I
Speaker 2: can tell you she's probably not gonna watch him, but
Speaker 2: I can't remember the girl's name, Mary or something. She
Speaker 2: falls asleep and ready is killing her in her dream,
Speaker 2: and in reality, what the boyfriend who's in the bed
Speaker 2: sees is her being dragged across the ceiling getting fucked
Speaker 2: up and bloody. So the same kind of thing is
Speaker 2: happening to Gwen. She's getting tossed around the room, but
Speaker 2: we can't see he's doing it. It's like, yeah, Freddy
Speaker 2: did this, and he did it way cooler, but it's
Speaker 2: still okay, I have I don't know he threw them
Speaker 2: all at the same time I was he threw.
Speaker 1: The pots and ship, Yeah you got that. So yeah.
Speaker 2: So after afterwards they gather in the chapel and they
Speaker 2: discovered that the grabber also went to the camp, which
Speaker 2: that was another thing. It was like, I forgot the
Speaker 2: name of this camp, but it was like camp something
Speaker 2: like Camp Camp Alpine Lake and it's like bro Camp
Speaker 2: Crystal Lake. It's like, come on, man, like y'all, y'all
Speaker 2: could have tried a little harder.
Speaker 3: That's why I feel like they forced this one this movie,
Speaker 3: like can't it was enough one like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah one was a good one and done movie. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we didn't need this, but I still didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: hate it, but yeah, they realized that the grabber also
Speaker 2: went to the camp. They called him wild Bill Hiccock,
Speaker 2: which explained the kids put in W B. H in
Speaker 2: Gwen's visions, which another side note that second boy that
Speaker 2: put the B. I don't know what grade he was in,
Speaker 2: but he should have been like special reading or something,
Speaker 2: because that did not like a fucking bee. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what the fuck that letter was until they told
Speaker 2: me it was a bee. He ain't even fucking connected.
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, you're dead, but are you fucking
Speaker 2: stupid too? But yeah, this is where he started his
Speaker 2: murder streak. The grabber he killed these three kids, maybe
Speaker 2: killed that little boy from from because he couldn't write.
Speaker 2: But they discovered that they have to find the bodies
Speaker 2: of the kids because their spirits can't be free until then.
Speaker 2: It's another part I didn't love, and the grabbers drawing
Speaker 2: power from the kids. So was this like a cool
Speaker 2: explanation to you. I'm glad they did explain it.
Speaker 3: I'm glad they had that moment where they talked through
Speaker 3: it and figured out what was going on.
Speaker 1: But I didn't think it was cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost like been there, done that.
Speaker 4: But the question I have though, is why did he
Speaker 4: keep Why did he keep saying because he said it
Speaker 4: to Romando?
Speaker 1: I think, are we there yet?
Speaker 4: When he was talking to Armando, when, oh, when Armando
Speaker 4: was going to search for the kids, and he broke
Speaker 4: the glass from Armando and he fell underwater. But that
Speaker 4: was after this, okay, because then we threw the snowman
Speaker 4: at him.
Speaker 1: Oh at the wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was the scene right after this part. Okay,
Speaker 2: I got a question it's like calling or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got a question about that.
Speaker 4: But but no, I think I think, yeah, I thought
Speaker 4: this was fine. Yeah, you know, it's just like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: we we we've seen him before in movie, so it's fine.
Speaker 1: Uh, drawn power from ghost.
Speaker 2: My thing is, I just didn't love this because how
Speaker 2: the fuck did Gwyn know that?
Speaker 1: How did she know that? Like, how did she know?
Speaker 2: Oh, he's drawing power from the kids, and we have
Speaker 2: to go find the bodies and once we free the bodies.
Speaker 1: I know the mom said, yeah, but how did she
Speaker 1: know all that? Then Mustang say it? Though I don't
Speaker 1: think Mustang's find said that. I think she was fine
Speaker 1: as hell psychic. But she's just a psychic, that's it.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, do we supposed that, like I s heard
Speaker 3: psychic interpretation of is that what we supposed to?
Speaker 2: I need something better than that, because they, like, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of moments in this film where they
Speaker 2: were just making Gwen do ship and not really do
Speaker 2: anything with it. Like the cards that Ernesto brought. We
Speaker 2: thought the cards were going to come back into play,
Speaker 2: but the cars went nowhere.
Speaker 1: She was reading these spirituality books.
Speaker 2: It would have been cooler if she had just read
Speaker 2: that in one of those books. But in the moment,
Speaker 2: I was like, you just figured that out, Like what? So, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't love that. I didn't love that explanation. But
Speaker 2: the next night, Gwyn has another dream where it's revealed
Speaker 2: that their mother, Hope, discovered what the grabber was doing
Speaker 2: and he actually killed her. She did not commit suicide. So, Kim,
Speaker 2: what did you think about this part?
Speaker 1: This was?
Speaker 4: This was first of all, why did you even take
Speaker 4: you as there and people through somebody's window at the
Speaker 4: middle of the night, like, like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You're the fucking creeper? Now what you was respect was
Speaker 1: gonna happen, But it was. It was interesting.
Speaker 4: I think it it you know, In the first one
Speaker 4: we heard that she killed herself because she couldn't handle
Speaker 4: this thing and that's why the dad was a piece
Speaker 4: of shit dad and abusive, and this one it's almost
Speaker 4: like they were doing some I don't know, I don't
Speaker 4: want to say clean up because there really wasn't anything
Speaker 4: to clean up. I think it was fine as it was,
Speaker 4: but there just adding on to maybe why she got
Speaker 4: the powers and why because even the mom had the
Speaker 4: power she did.
Speaker 1: But now it runs in the family.
Speaker 4: But I do have some questions about uh feeling as well,
Speaker 4: because this whole thing about this this mutant driven family
Speaker 4: is confusing to me. But but I think it worked.
Speaker 4: I think it removes some guilt from the father. It
Speaker 4: kind of gives her a bit of closure and angry.
Speaker 4: She's now angry about the grabber as well. But I
Speaker 4: just thought her reason for going over it was stupid.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to hell he was managed to
Speaker 4: sneak into the house and hang her in the own
Speaker 4: house and the dad didn't wake up either.
Speaker 1: Wait what now? Who was in whose garage?
Speaker 3: Them hanging from the garage and the dad walked in.
Speaker 3: He was like, why would you do this to yourself?
Speaker 1: Right? That that part made sense to me. She's snuggy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he brought her back. The dad was knocked out. This
Speaker 1: was like supposed to be like in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night, bro, you sleep. I mean, I guess people
Speaker 1: sleep there.
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't have those electric grass so it wasn't
Speaker 2: like it was like you show up.
Speaker 1: Right, you pull it up. I think you just pull
Speaker 1: it up still, hear, Yeah, maybe daddy was. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking too much into it that like what's his
Speaker 1: face presidence?
Speaker 4: But but you know, I was oneder if this was
Speaker 4: just another added element. But we knew that she had
Speaker 4: psycho powers the daughter got it from her right, so
Speaker 4: connected to the grabber. It also made the beginning of
Speaker 4: the movie makes sense and I'm just and it also
Speaker 4: explained why she has a connection to this place as well,
Speaker 4: because she was the first person to realize what was
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 1: It did tie it up.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was horrific too, like seeing your mom
Speaker 1: hanging out, I know that.
Speaker 2: Was yeah, geez Luise, Yeah, yeah, I thought I thought
Speaker 2: this was a cool scene.
Speaker 1: I was fine with it.
Speaker 2: Uh but you know, while she was in the dream
Speaker 2: the grabber, the grabber cuts Gwen's arm with an axe
Speaker 2: which comes through reality, which was some.
Speaker 1: More not Mare on Elm Street type ship, which yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: But I think the boyfriend or that though he wasn't
Speaker 4: really good at uh at like watching everything that was
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 3: What was he there for? That was another one, like
Speaker 3: nowhere he was just the person to cold.
Speaker 2: He was a person of color, and they probably wanted
Speaker 2: to bring up the fact that he was Robin's brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why he was there. That gave him
Speaker 1: a reason would be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh the dude from one Yeah, then the first
Speaker 3: one they only had the test really yeah.
Speaker 1: But of course ye but yeah.
Speaker 2: So they find the kids under the ice, but the
Speaker 2: grabber attempts to stop them by drowning Romndo and trying
Speaker 2: to kill Gwen. But Gwenn discovers that she can regain
Speaker 2: power in the dream and she fights back. So before
Speaker 2: that the grabber was sucking her up. He had chopped
Speaker 2: her arm up already, he was choking her. He spun
Speaker 2: her ass like a fucking dradle.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: He spun her ass around. Bro was yeah, like, and
Speaker 4: they can they can wake up. When she was the
Speaker 4: part when she threw the water on it, she still
Speaker 4: didn't wake up like that, Yeah, insane, But but then
Speaker 4: she turned into dark Phoenix. I realize you're not what yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm in here with you, or you're you're not you're
Speaker 4: not in here with me?
Speaker 1: What I forgot It was a movie that did that.
Speaker 1: You're you're thinking to watch him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah almost that sort of thing. I'm not stuck in
Speaker 1: here with you you're watching still a colde movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but uh but you know, salute to her for realizing that,
Speaker 1: because she was she was struggling, but yeah, she was
Speaker 1: getting sucked at this one. I was like, oh, she
Speaker 1: turned in the gene gray.
Speaker 4: I was wondering, like, how is she gonna utilize that
Speaker 4: power moving forward? Is what I was interested in seeing?
Speaker 4: Or was this just gonna be how she absolutely defeats
Speaker 4: you know?
Speaker 3: So they basically turned out I can do anything in
Speaker 3: my dreams with her diving in ice water and holding
Speaker 3: no breath forever.
Speaker 2: This was also taken from Nightmare on Elm Street. It
Speaker 2: was like part either four or five. One of the
Speaker 2: girls in the dream realizes she has the power to
Speaker 2: fight back because it because it's her dream. And I
Speaker 2: was just like, Okay, I'm still enjoying this movie. This
Speaker 2: is still fun, but I'm like, y'all are taking a
Speaker 2: lot of shit from Nightmare on Elm Street and it's
Speaker 2: starting to get a little irritating.
Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, I still thought the scene was cool.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I thought the ice the ice scene
Speaker 1: was cool. Oh yeah, that's what we're getting to.
Speaker 2: So the dad borrows a snowplow wants to take him home,
Speaker 2: but this leads to Quinn confronting their dad and Finny
Speaker 2: about them using being alcohol tonumb the pain.
Speaker 1: Did y'all care about any of this? And it was
Speaker 1: a good speech. It was It was a turn for
Speaker 1: the dad but once.
Speaker 4: And seeing him actually care about the kids now, yeah,
Speaker 4: and maybe it gave him some closure to about the mom.
Speaker 1: Made his character a lot better. He was useless than
Speaker 1: the first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think they cleaned him up pretty well
Speaker 2: in this movie, because you know, when I watched it
Speaker 2: the first time, I was like, when when Finn was
Speaker 2: leaving and he's like, do me a favorite dad, don't
Speaker 2: get drunk? And then the dad was like, i'n't about
Speaker 2: to get my three year whatever token, and then he
Speaker 2: started looking around and then he ended up calling the
Speaker 2: guy with the snowplow, and I was like, why did
Speaker 2: y'all even include any of that? But when you think
Speaker 2: about it later, I think what they were implying is
Speaker 2: that the dad was scared to stay home by himself
Speaker 2: because he might drink because he was there was like
Speaker 2: a some kind of beer commercial on TV, and that's
Speaker 2: when he asked to borrow the snowplow and I was like,
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense. But when I was actually
Speaker 2: doing the notes, I was like, Oh, he did that
Speaker 2: because he can't stay by himself.
Speaker 3: Because even you know that, you say that he made
Speaker 3: that joke but not really a joke like finally to
Speaker 3: get Yeah, yep, but he was nervous as hell when
Speaker 3: he said that, he.
Speaker 1: Was absolutely nervous.
Speaker 2: He did not want Finn to go off because he
Speaker 2: would have to be by himself and he might end
Speaker 2: up drinking.
Speaker 1: So I actually really liked this whole.
Speaker 2: Scene, especially because when Quinn started going off on them,
Speaker 2: Dad was like, where is this cut? Such a white
Speaker 2: He's like, why are you yelling at me like this?
Speaker 1: What did I do? But Nah, this scene was good.
Speaker 2: I just don't think that Gwen's a very strong actor,
Speaker 2: so I didn't it was it was hard for me
Speaker 2: to take it seriously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because her crying yeah help me didn't worry. Yo, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't worry. She didn't kill that.
Speaker 2: She did not need they needed to have hers like
Speaker 2: in some coaching or something.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, it wasn't great. So yes, they all go
Speaker 1: back to the lake the next day to finish this off.
Speaker 2: Gwen into falling asleep again, and the grabber shows up
Speaker 2: and he sucks up Kenn and Barb and then he
Speaker 2: starts to choke Finny. So did you like that part
Speaker 2: by how they kind of referenced the first movie with
Speaker 2: the whole choking thing.
Speaker 1: I did. And then she fell asleep. She got an
Speaker 1: arka lips, I don't know what. I don't know. He
Speaker 1: was talking and it just fell just nodded out. He
Speaker 1: could not wake her ass up. That was hilarious.
Speaker 3: But I like the o Mas the first one with
Speaker 3: the choking thing. The whole ice thing was probably the
Speaker 3: best part of the movie, is you said earlier like
Speaker 3: the action and that was good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when the mother was skating, that's that was
Speaker 1: That was was fun. Ice. We dragged the fuck out
Speaker 1: of Ken on that ice with Ax in his side. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was like, god, man, he was just bruh. He
Speaker 1: was doing them dirty and they ain't got bar.
Speaker 4: Grass and they ain't even want to go and Mustang
Speaker 4: call their ass out. So I thought all of this,
Speaker 4: for the most part, was good. There's one thing I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, I don't know about that, but uh,
Speaker 4: but yeah, just seeing him run around terrorizing people they
Speaker 4: can't see him, and then all they can see is
Speaker 4: just the ice things and and the traces and the
Speaker 4: ice man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was that was That was dope A man.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed this whole thing, but I can't front When
Speaker 2: he showed up on ice skates, I was like, what
Speaker 2: is this?
Speaker 1: Like, Oh man, you're talking about wild Bill. He was
Speaker 1: a great best skater skater. What why are y'all doing this?
Speaker 1: He fucking he.
Speaker 2: Bro When he did that fucking jump up the horse
Speaker 2: thing and grabbed Finn by the neck, I.
Speaker 1: Was like, all right, this is this is weird.
Speaker 2: I don't know how serious I can take a killer
Speaker 2: on skates on ice skates.
Speaker 1: Ship this motherfu can. Yeah, he was sucking him up.
Speaker 1: He was fucking him up. So, yes, we're nearing the end.
Speaker 2: With the help of the Dead Boys, the grabber is
Speaker 2: subdued by Gwen I'm sorry, with the help of the
Speaker 2: Dead Boys, the grabber subdude, so Gwenn can hit him
Speaker 2: in the head with an axe and then Finny can
Speaker 2: bash his face in. Was this a satisfying ass whippe
Speaker 2: for this motherfucker?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He needed all of it even more problem.
Speaker 2: M it wasn't satisfying for you.
Speaker 1: You're punching something you can't see. That is what I wanted.
Speaker 1: He can't see him.
Speaker 2: He skated up, and remember the little dead boys came
Speaker 2: out of the ice and grabbed him. So Finny could
Speaker 2: see the dead boys skeleton. He could see the hand moving,
Speaker 2: so he I guess he figured out that the hands
Speaker 2: were holding the grabber.
Speaker 1: So when he comes over, you see him.
Speaker 2: He grabs the leg and then he's feeling around so
Speaker 2: he finds the head.
Speaker 1: I have too much of a problem with it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it was like, well, how
Speaker 2: do you know what body part is being held by
Speaker 2: the dead skeleton?
Speaker 1: It was just kind of weird. It was a weird scene.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even the skeletons getting them, the dad jumping
Speaker 4: into the water to get the barrels her somehow in
Speaker 4: her astral.
Speaker 1: Form, pushing barrels up. Yeah you know, I have to
Speaker 1: let Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, this part got a bit ridiculous because at first
Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, Okay, I get why
Speaker 2: he's able to hurt Gwen.
Speaker 1: Why is he able to hurt everybody else?
Speaker 2: But I think what they're implying is that Gwen is
Speaker 2: kind of like a conduit because she's so powerful with
Speaker 2: whatever this psychic ability is that only when she's around
Speaker 2: can he do that, because he wasn't able to hurt
Speaker 2: anybody else when she wasn't around, like when he was
Speaker 2: fucking with Finny, when Finny was on the phone, he.
Speaker 1: Couldn't do it. So going back to a question, chialen,
Speaker 1: take that take that out. You can't. You can't leave
Speaker 1: a call. You please take that ice choke? All right,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 4: We talked about the movie. But god damn, but why
Speaker 4: did he keep saying my name's not Bill. Is that
Speaker 4: because he fully bought into the grabber?
Speaker 2: No, it's because Remember this was another stupid thing that
Speaker 2: I just glossed over. Remember Armando said that they don't
Speaker 2: know people's names because they give him a camp name.
Speaker 2: So when when they were asking do you know Hope Adler,
Speaker 2: Armando was like, I don't know who that is. But
Speaker 2: when they showed the picture, he was like, oh.
Speaker 1: That's Starlight Okay.
Speaker 2: So then when they were talking about wild Bill, that's
Speaker 2: not his actual name. His name is whatever the fuck.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if we got his name from
Speaker 2: the first I don't think they did either.
Speaker 1: Brother's name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the brother's name was Max, but yeah, that his
Speaker 2: name is not Bill.
Speaker 1: So that's why you saying that. I wonder if they
Speaker 1: could use that for something else. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they even did all this was like convoluted for no reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I did like when he threw that
Speaker 4: snowman on the window. That ship looked did look creepy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're saying you wanted to ask about that? That
Speaker 1: was it. It was about why he kept saying his
Speaker 1: name wasn't Bill.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I understand why he was saying that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So afterwards, he's after they beat his ass
Speaker 2: and they throw him in the water. He's dragged to
Speaker 2: the bottom of the lake. Was this a fitting end?
Speaker 2: Were y'all cool with this part? Did it remind you
Speaker 2: of anything else?
Speaker 1: Jason? I was like, bro, come on, man, y'all not
Speaker 1: even trying. The first one was so fucking original.
Speaker 2: This ship, I'm just like, bro, y'all just took Nightmare
Speaker 2: on Elm Street mixed with Friday the thirteenth in combining both,
Speaker 2: It's like, if you don't go get.
Speaker 1: Her thought because I don't watch me scary move.
Speaker 3: But Jason is one of the franchises that I have
Speaker 3: following is the first thing I thought going to the
Speaker 3: Bottom of the Lake with Jason.
Speaker 2: I came if it was a fourth one of the
Speaker 2: fifth one where they and it's like, dude, this is
Speaker 2: so obvious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that and again, the first one was good.
Speaker 3: This one, I feel like was just like a money
Speaker 3: grab us.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I do agree with that because I don't know if
Speaker 4: they knew the first one would go on to become
Speaker 4: as like popular as it did, and I think they
Speaker 4: it felt like they almost regret killing him. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: it's like, okay, well we just we still got the
Speaker 4: sister and we'll just made the movie about the sister
Speaker 4: and bring it back in. You know, this a supernatural form.
Speaker 4: We could do it like that because we already know.
Speaker 1: That she has supernatural powers.
Speaker 4: So it's they could easily do it, and they found
Speaker 4: a way to do it, and you know it, Mays say.
Speaker 4: It's just there was a lot, a lot of like
Speaker 4: build up that was going on in regards to the ending.
Speaker 4: I mean, it worked, you know, it worked. I think
Speaker 4: when I was watching it, I was trying to decide, Okay,
Speaker 4: how does he come back since the kids rescue? Because
Speaker 4: that said, that's how that's where it gets powered from.
Speaker 4: So if they got the bodies of the kids, then
Speaker 4: theoretically he should be done.
Speaker 1: That should be a part three. I'm gonna find out
Speaker 1: he killed more people there you go. That's why I think, and.
Speaker 4: That's where I think my name's not Bill could probably
Speaker 4: come back into play.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then they find his other identity from somewhere.
Speaker 2: Else, Yeah, because this is where he started. This is
Speaker 2: where he started, right, But then he have to consider
Speaker 2: it. It has to be at least fifteen years later. So
Speaker 2: between those fifteen years, I'm sure he's killed a lot
Speaker 2: of kids. So that I think what they're gonna do
Speaker 2: with three is they're going to realize, oh shit, this
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: He was killing other kids. So he's now able to.
Speaker 2: Come back because of those other kids, which again is
Speaker 2: some fucking Freddy shit. Because Freddy can only come back
Speaker 2: when you remember him or if you what was it?
Speaker 1: What was the whole thing?
Speaker 2: He can come back if you isn't it isn't it
Speaker 2: if you remember him, or if you I forgot what
Speaker 2: the whole thing is? But he can he can come
Speaker 2: back because he's like attacking the children of the parents
Speaker 2: that killed him.
Speaker 1: So it's like y'all are not being very original at all.
Speaker 2: I feel like the first one was so such a
Speaker 2: fresh idea and then this one is just a fucking
Speaker 2: gumbo of a whole bunch of other horror movies. But again,
Speaker 2: I still liked it. It was still a fun watch.
Speaker 2: But the final scene is Gwyn getting a call from
Speaker 2: their mom, Hope, and this is her final combo with
Speaker 2: them that I was about to say, did you did
Speaker 2: you cry?
Speaker 1: Spike? I didn't cry, but it was sweet.
Speaker 3: It was a satisfying ending in her, like telling her
Speaker 3: it's not a courage, it's a gift.
Speaker 1: The kids are up here with me. It was really good.
Speaker 1: Tell Finny I love them, and tell them that.
Speaker 4: Robin says, Hi, Yeah, I think if it wasn't satisfying,
Speaker 4: it was. It was sweet, as Spike say, touching to
Speaker 4: see that. I think if they don't do a three, uh,
Speaker 4: it's a good way in the series, you know, just
Speaker 4: you know, you got fan story and now you got
Speaker 4: the sisters story and we're done. So I think they
Speaker 4: can check out and and that would be that. But
Speaker 4: of course, you know, people are what I'm seeing, are
Speaker 4: enjoying it. You know, a lot I don't know if
Speaker 4: there's people that just got caught on the black phone,
Speaker 4: you know, after there was a lot of you know,
Speaker 4: maybe word of them off that took place. But either
Speaker 4: way go, depending on how successful it is, I can
Speaker 4: see them doing another one. Yeah, my question I had though,
Speaker 4: So Finn has powers too, Yes, okay, because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Finn always had powers, even the first one.
Speaker 4: Right, because he was the only one that could tell Yeah,
Speaker 4: he was talking to the kids and he can he
Speaker 4: communicate with the dead through a phone and she can
Speaker 4: just go to gen people dreaming and the dream dreamscape. Okay,
Speaker 4: and the first one, they said that the Grabber could
Speaker 4: hear it too, they never really explained that.
Speaker 2: I don't think they said the grabber could hear it
Speaker 2: because remember that when the Grabber was down there.
Speaker 1: He said the phone doesn't work. But right, so he
Speaker 1: did say.
Speaker 2: He could hear you, right, because he said that it's
Speaker 2: like electrical vibrations causing the phone to ring or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he just yeah, So they never explained it
Speaker 4: in this one or the first one. So I don't
Speaker 4: know what that means. If the Grabber got power, which
Speaker 4: is why he was able to come back in this
Speaker 4: supernatural state to haunt them.
Speaker 2: It could be because the mother was the was because
Speaker 2: the mother had power and the grabber killed the mom.
Speaker 1: This is me fucking spitballing because they didn't explain shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that's why he could hear the phone. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And he never really did anything with the phone.
Speaker 4: They just said it, so it's like we never saw
Speaker 4: him or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just I didn't know if they overtime maybe explained
Speaker 4: it or not. But either way, so Finn does have
Speaker 4: the power his phone.
Speaker 2: Finn can hear the dead calling because they were calling
Speaker 2: him throughout the movie, which they showed at the beginning
Speaker 2: when he picked up the phone and the phone but
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: Help you, and he hangs it up and it says
Speaker 1: out of order. Damn.
Speaker 4: So the dead has been calling him this whole time.
Speaker 4: He just we're refusing that.
Speaker 2: That's why I think there's gonna be a three, because
Speaker 2: I think, why are the dead calling Finn. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be somebody else that was killed by the grabber that's
Speaker 2: calling Finn and asking for some kind of help.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that was just PTSD and he was
Speaker 4: just hearing in his head until he got out there
Speaker 4: and he could hear it as well.
Speaker 1: And then in the first week. Okay, okay, that that
Speaker 1: makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean I could be wrong, but I always took
Speaker 2: it as Finn had powers, because otherwise there'd be no
Speaker 2: reason why he could hear anybody calling on the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: And even even when last like when he was talking
Speaker 4: to the dad and you know, the sister was kind
Speaker 4: of getting on him and he was trying to get
Speaker 4: out of there, he was like, man, you don't know
Speaker 4: how scary it was down there.
Speaker 1: I was terrified.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I remember when Finn was when he broke
Speaker 4: down and cried in the first one, bro he thought
Speaker 4: he made it.
Speaker 1: He just started crying, and then that's when this boy called.
Speaker 4: But anyway, so I think him being able to hear
Speaker 4: the phone her having her power. Yeah, they could easily
Speaker 4: make a third one and maybe give us some more
Speaker 4: explanation into what the Grabber can do in this new state,
Speaker 4: because I mean, as a supernatural figure, you can come
Speaker 4: and go as you please.
Speaker 1: You know, you can make as many as you want.
Speaker 1: Fact Freddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, anyway, if they do do a third one,
Speaker 2: I just hope that they spend a little bit more
Speaker 2: time on the script and they don't make it so
Speaker 2: much of a copycat film. That would be appreciative, because
Speaker 2: you can't go from something super original to something completely derivative.
Speaker 2: But I still think Scott Derekson is a good director,
Speaker 2: a good filmmaker. This was still a fun watch for me.
Speaker 2: It was just not original enough for me to say
Speaker 2: it's a good movie.
Speaker 1: It was shot will It was shot very well.
Speaker 2: I think I think that the way that they made
Speaker 2: it look like it was from the seventies, I think
Speaker 2: it was really good.
Speaker 1: It made sense, the dream switching like that had looked
Speaker 1: like old Randy footage.
Speaker 2: And it was good too, which he did the exact
Speaker 2: same thing in Sinister Scott Derekson, who was also he
Speaker 2: also made that movie.
Speaker 1: That's okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Spike Lee makes Motherfuckers float every film, right,
Speaker 2: so it's no big deal.
Speaker 1: But all right, final.
Speaker 2: Thoughts either one of y'all here for a three No
Speaker 2: damn sight God.
Speaker 4: I am because I think he may be open to
Speaker 4: some of the things that people are saying about it
Speaker 4: and probably try to do something to get back to
Speaker 4: this original bag and try to do something a little
Speaker 4: bit more original. Maybe this is just Look, I love
Speaker 4: these films. That's why I got into the business. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to do this because of that. And I'll
Speaker 4: get back to what I do. Yeah, so I'll give
Speaker 4: you one more shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Sinister was very original, and I forgot the
Speaker 1: other horror movie he did.
Speaker 2: He did Sinister, Black Phone. There was something in between
Speaker 2: those two, but I can't remember now. But either way,
Speaker 2: I'm here for a three man. I'm can. I think
Speaker 2: if he comes back and he does a more original
Speaker 2: film for the third one, I think all is all
Speaker 2: is forgiven. So and I want to see the dad
Speaker 2: incorporated more. I want to see him be a real
Speaker 2: part to this.
Speaker 1: So the other thought I had there were no real stakes.
Speaker 1: Nobody died.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm glad that was in my notes, but I
Speaker 2: forgot to say it. That is my biggest critique of
Speaker 2: this entire film. Damn, you had opportunity. Why didn't you
Speaker 2: kill Barby or or or must Oh? Wow, I didn't
Speaker 2: even think about that. Yes, their names were Barb and Ken.
Speaker 1: God damn racist as great performance, a great perform that
Speaker 1: was the worthy be worthy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know why he wasn't able to
Speaker 2: kill anybody. But that was my thought of why he
Speaker 2: didn't go ahead and kill Gwyn immediately. I think he
Speaker 2: realized that he can hurt people through Gwen, like Gwen.
Speaker 1: Has to be there.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because when when they were in that kitchen
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck. I think that's why he was
Speaker 2: able to throw all of those utensils at barbin Ken
Speaker 2: because Quinn was there.
Speaker 1: But prior to that, he couldn't do anything to find Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe the other people weren't the real targets,
Speaker 4: so he just kind of let him be.
Speaker 1: But maybe, yeah, but he should have. He should have.
Speaker 1: He fucking chopped them in the head with the acts.
Speaker 4: I thought they were dead, but no, no, and he
Speaker 4: could have uh And I thought he killed Armando with
Speaker 4: the ice. He tried to kill him, but Armando were
Speaker 4: saved him. Yeah, a little bit, but somebody could have died.
Speaker 2: Somebody could have died. It didn't really make a lot
Speaker 2: of sense, but that's all I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That was a big complaint for me too, So I'm
Speaker 2: glad you brought that back up, But overall, I'm still
Speaker 2: cool with the movie with it. So all right, Well, y'all,
Speaker 2: let us know what y'all think about this in the
Speaker 2: comments section. We will be checking for those and let
Speaker 2: us know if there's any other movies that are coming
Speaker 2: out that you definitely want to hear our opinion on.
Speaker 1: So we will see y'all next time we out feasible