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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and thanks are starting your Tuesday

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Speaker 1: with us. Later, Chairman Fred Hampton will check into our classroom.

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Speaker 1: A chairman will who works on the streets of Chicago

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Speaker 1: respond to Trump administration's plans to deploy troops in his city.

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Speaker 1: Before the chairman, Civil Rights at Attorney's Daryl Jones and

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Speaker 1: Barbara Einwin from the Transformative Justice Coalition will provide insights

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Speaker 1: into a Supreme Court hearing that could result in the

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Speaker 1: reduction their voting rights. But before Attorney Jones and our wine,

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Speaker 1: doctor Brandon Gamble from the Association of Black Psychologists will

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Speaker 1: share his expert analysis of how the black community should

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Speaker 1: respond to all the changes impacting the community from the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration standpoint, and momentarily Baltimore Homeless Advocate Minister Christina

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Speaker 1: Flowers will join us. But let's get Kevin open to

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Speaker 1: the classroom doors on this Tuesday morning, Grand Rising, Kevin, Hey, Grand.

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Speaker 2: Rising, indeed cons and we're live and in living color.

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Speaker 3: On this Tuesday the fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: I ended up having an interception there one of the

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Speaker 2: you know, because it seems like interceptions can hurt you.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Come on, man, I went to sleep last night and

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Speaker 2: the team was winning and went to sleep with the

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Speaker 2: TV on, and I woke up this morning. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I have a way to put your TV to sleep,

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Speaker 2: you know, and so it turns itself off later. So

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Speaker 2: then I get here checking the news and.

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Speaker 3: It's a result.

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Speaker 2: The home team loses by one measly point.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm talking about the Commanders.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they played a great game, they fought valiantly, and

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Speaker 2: yet at the end of the day they lost by

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Speaker 2: one point.

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Speaker 3: And so, first of all, how are you feeling, Carl.

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. You know, I'm still learning, and I

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Speaker 1: made it to halftime. So you made it longer than

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Speaker 1: I did, and woke up and watched the highlights.

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Speaker 3: I might have made it long. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you're asleep, you think stuff is going on,

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Speaker 2: and it may be playing things subconsciously in your mind.

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Speaker 3: But the team can still stay optimistic.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, yeah, it was a one point loss,

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Speaker 2: but look at that great comeback though. I mean it

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Speaker 2: started off the Bears were like just being given points. Look,

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Speaker 2: I always wonder why do teams win the toss and

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Speaker 2: then give the ball away anyway? And I'm like, see

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Speaker 2: that that was their first three points right there.

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Speaker 1: Strategy, you know, and a score for the folks who

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Speaker 1: it's a field goal that decided it. But here's the deal, though, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: because the next game is the Cowboys, and we talked

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Speaker 1: And I was saying to myself, well, it's Cambrian much

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Speaker 1: so he tends to kicks up again. He's got two

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Speaker 2: Well, but we can't play the Bears cheap. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's the way they've been playing later. They've been coming

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Speaker 2: in at the last minute with the outstanding win, you know.

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Speaker 2: And and can you go through a whole season like

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Speaker 2: the question. But you know, Daniels showed his old form

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Speaker 3: So you know we'll be in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, do you feel happy for Chicago for the

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Speaker 2: They showed scenes of Gonzaga school and you know, talking

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Speaker 1: But you know what, they'll always be compare both of

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Speaker 2: Winning is the thing, man, And you know, especially in

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Speaker 3: And it's still going strong.

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Speaker 1: So yes, and you look at the future now these games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're gonna ask uh, you know, doctor Joe

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Speaker 2: You know, this is right. The rest of the world

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Speaker 1: We call it soccer. They call it football, and they

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Speaker 2: The world is becoming flat. Hey, look in other news,

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, the Conservatives are poised to get the

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Speaker 2: Voting Rights Act man. Two years ago, the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: it preserved the nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act. But

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Speaker 2: now it's up for question. The Court may be on

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Speaker 2: the brink of forbidding the consideration of race and redistricting,

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Speaker 2: an erodent state's ability to consolidate blacks or other racial

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Speaker 1: This is a big deal of family. This is what

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Speaker 1: Kevin is reporting this morning. This is a very, very

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Speaker 1: big deal. They're going to do that on Wednesday, And

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Speaker 1: this morning we're going to have two attorneys who are

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Speaker 1: A whole bunch of folks protesting because this could shape

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Speaker 1: the fact. This is Kurtail. You know how voting privileges

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Speaker 2: Wow, Man, just trying to figure out to take away

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Speaker 2: your power again, right, And meanwhile, North Carolina announces plans

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Jerry Manner. North Carolina's trying to do what

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Speaker 3: But isn't it like a pyrrhic victory.

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Speaker 2: In other words, you're not really winning if you're going

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Speaker 2: to change the rules to play the game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's like you're playing chess and the other person that

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Speaker 1: the results. I get that. But it's the results.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. They just want their party to be

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Speaker 2: wonderful Wednesday, the fourteenth.

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Speaker 3: All right, oh no, today is tues.

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Speaker 1: Today's Tuesday. Your way ahead, Kevin, I know that's a

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Speaker 1: top of the other, Minister Christina Flowers, grand rising, welcome

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Speaker 4: Into you call and all your great listeners. Great morning,

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Speaker 4: Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am, thank you. Let me just say a family.

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Speaker 1: Christina Flowers is a homeless advocate the streets of Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: That's where that's her office, that's where she works, and

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Speaker 1: selfishly she's trying to help that fee on house to

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Speaker 4: You know, brother Carl, we have so many different seasons

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Speaker 4: why I always say it's different levels to advocating, as

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Speaker 4: different levels to activism when you're dealing with such a

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Speaker 4: vulnerable population. So this is a three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 4: five day assignment for Velvet. They're real care providers because

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Speaker 4: we're constantly working on awareness, bringing consciousness to those of

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Speaker 4: Basis when it comes to dealing with our most vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: Well see you well hold that phone right there, Minster Flowers.

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Speaker 4: And yes, thank you, welcome back. Call to you as well.

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Speaker 4: You know we were just talking about and discussing some

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Speaker 4: But when you look at some of the tactics and

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Speaker 6: And this, to me, Carl, is like a.

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Speaker 4: Violation of everything. It's really inhumane when we got our

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Speaker 4: because it's like people trying to evictim like they got

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Speaker 4: that's like a civil rights violation, you know, whatever, whatever

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Speaker 4: So when we have people publicly advertising and promoting civil

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Speaker 6: Mind you.

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Speaker 4: Now, it's all by a system that's supposed to be

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Speaker 4: my biggest questions, like where are those civil rights people

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Speaker 1: So well, let me jump in here at Minister Flowers

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Speaker 1: Right, let me jump in there again, the minister flowers,

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad you're saying this because obviously you're waking

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Speaker 4: some services, put in some financial literacy. They're not taking

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Speaker 4: the programs to the individuals that needed the most. Their

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Speaker 4: public gaining more funds for programs, and it's not helping

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Speaker 4: the people on the ground that needs to help.

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Speaker 1: Right and let me jump here again at twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Away from the top they are because obviously they've been

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Speaker 1: ignoring the folks as you're saying, if we take your

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Speaker 1: word for the people who are on House, the homeless

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Speaker 1: of right now as we speak, but then we have

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Speaker 1: a bunch of layoffs, especially in the federal government level.

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Speaker 1: You may you may see the ranks of the homeless

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Speaker 1: on House folks increase. Are you prepared to deal with that?

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Speaker 1: With these folks, these newly folks who find themselves on

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Speaker 1: the outside, do you think they'll be more active since

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Speaker 1: they're new to the game. You know, as you know,

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Speaker 1: for the folks who have been homeless, they've sort of

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Speaker 1: been institutionalized like prisoners, so they know how to play

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Speaker 1: the game, they know how it works, they know how

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Speaker 1: to survive. But these new folks who are probably joining

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Speaker 1: the ranks who just lost their jobs, were being laid

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Speaker 1: off or not necessarily from the federal government, but from

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Speaker 1: other enities because a lot of these companies are downsizing.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that will Do you think that will

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Speaker 1: make a change? You think there'll a new a new

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Speaker 1: spirit of activism because you seem like to be the

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Speaker 1: lone ranger out there. Do you think you'll get some

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Speaker 1: help for when these other folks because these folks, you know,

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Speaker 1: they voted, they've probably got rice to vote, and you know,

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Speaker 1: things that they need to change, and you'll get some

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Speaker 1: help in trying to make a change for the homeless

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore City.

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Speaker 4: And you're correct call, because so many new people are

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Speaker 4: experiencing or facing homelessness, and if they're doing it in silence.

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Speaker 4: Like some people feel like, you know, I could go

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Speaker 4: sleep on such and such couch, I can go camp

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Speaker 4: out over grandma house. These these solutions are not a

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Speaker 4: solution for a people's sake. You know, we know what

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Speaker 4: the problem is. Everyone is hitting that time where crisises

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Speaker 4: are arising, crisises are approaching, and some people that are

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Speaker 4: experiencing it for the first time, yes, they are more devastated.

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Speaker 4: They really at that point of understanding how our system

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Speaker 4: is by design creating homelessness, or it's creating ways that

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Speaker 4: people have to experience homeless But the resources on the ground,

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Speaker 4: whether it's the vacant houses, whether it's the solutions of

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Speaker 4: the single room occupacies, these programs are not functioning out

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Speaker 4: a way of engagement. And when you're talking about engagement,

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Speaker 4: you're talking about taking individuals out of that circumstance, out

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Speaker 4: of that situation, and creating and creating a solution for

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Speaker 4: those individuals. When you're kind of like just bundling everybody

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Speaker 4: up together, when you got somebody new trying to seek

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Speaker 4: out the homeless resources or they calling me like where

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Speaker 4: I could get help at to pay my mortgage, Like

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Speaker 4: I'm in my mind, to pay your mortgage. People trying

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Speaker 4: to pay rent that's experiencing homelessness. Now you got people

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Speaker 4: that's looking at help pay their mortgages. So that becomes

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Speaker 4: a devil, like a devil slap in the faith, because

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Speaker 4: now the resources that are already being mismanaged and misappropriated

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Speaker 4: for while less fortunate or the poor or the needy,

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Speaker 4: now these resources have to be spreaded out towards those

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Speaker 4: economy of individuals that's workers used to being working. Now

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Speaker 4: they're seeking the social service revenue, they're seeking the food stamps,

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Speaker 4: they're seeking the ways to keep their houses level now.

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Speaker 4: So it's like it's like a double jeopardy when we're

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Speaker 4: now dealing with a new culture of individuals facing or

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Speaker 4: experiencing homelessness. And in case anyone listening and they back

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Speaker 4: two three mortgage payments and you're trying to play catch up,

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Speaker 4: you got people. Now that's so trickery. They taking people houses,

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Speaker 4: They taking seniors and elderly people houses call just because

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Speaker 4: of miswater build or mispayments. So everybody's trying to benefit

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Speaker 4: off of those pressed population of people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard some of those stories as well. Meant

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Speaker 1: mister Flowers. But the question is though, what can we do?

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Speaker 1: How can we help you?

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Speaker 4: Every day called? And I say every day because we

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Speaker 4: are a NonStop movement on this. I thank God for

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Speaker 4: the ability and the strength to do what He has

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Speaker 4: called and anointed us to do.

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Speaker 8: So.

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Speaker 4: I always tell people, you know, resources, gifts, talents. I

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Speaker 4: don't care if it's donations support meeting their needs where

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Speaker 4: he at. I don't care if it's a can of

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Speaker 4: spaghetti and the spaghettios that they warm up on a campfire.

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Speaker 4: We always create a way here to directly address our

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Speaker 4: homeless population.

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Speaker 1: You know we are, aren't you well, Minister Flowers? Hold,

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Speaker 1: I thought they are. I'll let you expound on that

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Speaker 1: because this is important because you need help. You can't

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Speaker 1: fight this fight all by yourself in Baltimore City, but

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00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: we got to step aside and get caught up with

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Speaker 1: the latest news, traffic, and weather in out different cities

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Speaker 1: are twenty four minutes away from the top day have family.

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Speaker 1: You want to join this conversation with Minister Christina Flowers.

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Speaker 1: You want help or you've got some advice, reach out

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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seven six and we'll take your phone calls after the news,

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Speaker 1: trafficing weather, that's next and Grand Rising family. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: waking up with us on this Tuesday morning, seventeen minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top of the out of our guest

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Speaker 1: at Christina Flowers and Minister Christina Flowers from Baltimore. She's

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Speaker 1: a homeless advocate. She's one of these people in our

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Speaker 1: community who's just unselfishly looking out for others and that's

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Speaker 1: her job. Before we go back to it, let me

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Speaker 1: just remind you come up later this morning. You can

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Speaker 1: hear from a chairman, Fred Hampton. He'll check in. Also

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Speaker 1: civil rights attorneys Darryl Jones and Barbara Online. We've been

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Speaker 1: talking about the civil rights vote, the voting rights and

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Speaker 1: measure that's going to be The Supreme Court have a

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Speaker 1: hearing on Wednesday. They're going to break it down for us.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to them, doctor Brandon Gamble from

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Speaker 1: the Association of Black Psychologists, who will share his expert

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Speaker 1: analysis of what the black community should respond to all

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Speaker 1: these changes taking place. You know a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: are confused, don't know what to do. Someone to cut

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Speaker 1: and run, someone say they're going to stay because you know,

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Speaker 1: we built this country and all that kind of stuff. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's going to break it down for us how we

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Speaker 1: should respond. And later this week we're going to pay

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Speaker 1: attention to the Million Man March with two of the architects,

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Speaker 1: one of them being the Reverend Willie D. Wilson with

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Speaker 1: Reverend doctor Willie Wilson from Union Temple Baptist Church in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. And the other one being Quanti creator doctor

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Speaker 1: Malana Karenga. Now, these were two of the first persons

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Speaker 1: that doctor that uh, hold on a second, then we could.

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Speaker 1: I can hear a voice in the background, but these

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Speaker 1: are one two of the people that uh Minister Farkahan

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Speaker 1: called when he decided to create the Million Man March.

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Speaker 1: In fact, doctor Karenga wrote the manifesto also from the

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Speaker 1: University of Houston. Doctor Gerald Horn will be with us.

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Speaker 1: So let's go back to mister Christina Flowers. Minister Flowers,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought because I know you're

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Speaker 1: out there on your own and the weather's changing a lot.

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Speaker 1: More people are are becoming homeless and so and you

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Speaker 1: have the situation that you're telling us about the misapprobation

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Speaker 1: with funds and also the mismanagement of those funds as well.

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Speaker 1: So I'll let you finish your thought.

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Speaker 4: Also called when we talk about engagement, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's really important that not only myself as a radio host,

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Speaker 4: that we understand that at our listeners and those that

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Speaker 4: are you know, being that supportive of us, understand that,

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Speaker 4: you know, this is a value time right now. And

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Speaker 4: I say that because yes, when the winter months start approaching,

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Speaker 4: it is more critical times. You know, it's critical all

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Speaker 4: year long when our homeless individuals are residing and living

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Speaker 4: on the streets or living in elements or weathers. So

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Speaker 4: when the winter months it is, it is much more

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Speaker 4: critical time for outreach. It's much more critical time for

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Speaker 4: meeting their needs, whether with blankets, coats, any type of

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Speaker 4: warming outside supplies. I mean, if you think about it,

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Speaker 4: we use it. You know, we got generators that we

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Speaker 4: go to some of the encampments with. So our needless

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Speaker 4: is always always on our website, you know, but we

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Speaker 4: always acts and individuals to support to donate what we're

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Speaker 4: doing because we are a self sustainable organization. And I

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Speaker 4: say that proudly, Carl, because I truly believe God has

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Speaker 4: made a way for this organization for fourteen years to

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Speaker 4: operate without the government and the state money dictating on

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Speaker 4: how we meet the needs of our people. So it's

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Speaker 4: totally you know, individuals, businesses, other entrepreneurs that has really

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Speaker 4: sustained us and supported our movement because we got a

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Speaker 4: hands on approach here in Baltimore City. You know, when

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Speaker 4: people call, we're there. We try to meet the needs,

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Speaker 4: whether it's temporary housing, whether it's the emergency shelter piece.

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Speaker 4: I like God to use my influences and my reputation

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Speaker 4: to help the people. And I say that because you know,

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Speaker 4: some may want to call me a rebel, some may

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Speaker 4: want to call me whatever they choose to. As long

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Speaker 4: as it's benefiting and helping our voiceless population, I consider

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Speaker 4: my work well done and that makes me also have

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Speaker 4: a confidence that this is a Godly movement. This is

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Speaker 4: about kingdom building. When you see individuals are left to

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Speaker 4: suffer at the level at their bottom and I say

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Speaker 4: rock bottom. Some people hitting rock bottom for the first time,

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Speaker 4: some people savings accounts being absorbed. You know, when you

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Speaker 4: hitting rock bottom for the first time, some people don't

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Speaker 4: have a capacity nor the strength to tolerate that type

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Speaker 4: of thing. So my prayer is that we all come

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Speaker 4: to an understanding of homelessness, houseless, underserved, our mental ill

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Speaker 4: challenging population. If we're not being a part of the solution,

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Speaker 4: we could also be a part of the problem. And

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Speaker 4: I believe it's our social obligation, especially as a minister myself,

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Speaker 4: I have a personal obligation to these sheep. You know,

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Speaker 4: God say you be a shepherd over these sheep. And

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Speaker 4: I know for the years that He had planted us,

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Speaker 4: whether it's been managing an encampment, being under the bridge,

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Speaker 4: being where it at, I know that's God's work. So

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Speaker 4: that gives me the confidence and the boldness to be more.

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Speaker 4: You know, we have not because we ask not. We

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Speaker 4: ask for the help, we ask for the financial resources,

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Speaker 4: but we action from God's people. We asking from those

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Speaker 4: who want to be a part of the solution. So

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Speaker 4: when you hear people publicizing, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 4: Baltimore City, they talk about homelessness or donating or giving

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Speaker 4: to the homeless. We had an article last week We're

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Speaker 4: one of our football stars talk about giving twenty million

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Speaker 4: dollars to homeless. It was actually a Bortemore City raven

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Speaker 4: and I'm in my mind, where is he putting it

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Speaker 4: at in Baltimore City, Because if you're putting it back

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Speaker 4: in the hands of the oppressor, if you're putting money

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Speaker 4: back in the hands of people who is kind of

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Speaker 4: hands on behind the mismanagement, behind the misappropriation, then you're

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Speaker 4: not a donator. You're a part of the problem, not

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Speaker 4: looking to be a solution. And know you know this

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Speaker 4: is this is to address on the streets. You know

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Speaker 4: this is this is hearts on the ground round here.

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Speaker 4: Call it ain't boots on the ground no more. We

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Speaker 4: got hearts on the ground and were really trying to

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Speaker 4: make a difference and save lives. So you know, my

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Speaker 4: biggest request for Baltimore City is, and I tell everybody,

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Speaker 4: we need to have our mayor. Our mayor Brandon Scott

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Speaker 4: needs to become a good listener. He needs to not

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Speaker 4: only listen to humanity, but he needs to listen to

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Speaker 4: those local community leaders like myself who not asking him

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Speaker 4: for anything.

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Speaker 1: But we supposed let me jump here because you're right

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Speaker 1: about the mayor. But before we get to the mayor,

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Speaker 1: what about the city council members? What about with this

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Speaker 1: homeless population? Is what about those folks? Have you have

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Speaker 1: you had conversations with him yet, mister Flowers call.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of times and your right. You you know,

652
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Speaker 4: we can have conversations with our city council leaders here

653
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Speaker 4: and it's like going in one end out the other.

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Speaker 4: And I say that because when we have discussions with them,

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Speaker 4: and I've had numerous of discussions with council people just

656
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Speaker 4: in reference to a lot of agencies, a lot of programs,

657
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Speaker 4: a lot of services that are not being effective, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of times with them, I come to recognize that,

659
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Speaker 4: you know, they can't just take a complaint. They don't

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Speaker 4: just take a complaint and feel like, Okay, this is

661
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Speaker 4: a complaint. They take things as they like a bulk.

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Speaker 4: They look for a bulk, or they look for something

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Speaker 4: that will bring them more of a reputation somewhere. I

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Speaker 4: don't want to know where. I don't want to assume

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Speaker 4: what a lot of our council people are doing. But

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Speaker 4: a lot of times our council people, whether it's our

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Speaker 4: city council president as well, they know what's going on.

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to say that, and I could say

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Speaker 4: that clearly about Baltimore City, our city council people, our mayor,

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Speaker 4: our City Council President Zekey Cohen. They know what's going on.

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Speaker 4: Ask me how I know they know what's going on,

672
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Speaker 4: car because emailing them, I'm talking to them, I'm sitting

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I was thinking about when you mentioned that,

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Speaker 1: contacting the mayor and the city council members, because many

676
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Speaker 1: of the homeless probably don't have telephones or probably don't

677
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Speaker 1: have access to email and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: That the new techniques that that people communicate with. Is

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Speaker 1: that a problem for Is that part of the issue

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Speaker 1: as well? In Minister Flowers, it's.

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Speaker 4: A major problem in our homeless community. They don't even

682
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Speaker 4: give out the free cell phones like they used to

683
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Speaker 4: because that became some type of scam, some scandal.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 4: So we got a big issue because again, all of

686
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Speaker 4: our homeless individuals don't have that comprehension of advocating for themselves.

687
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Speaker 4: You may have a handful of them that's now waking

688
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Speaker 4: up to some things, and yes, they are kind of

689
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Speaker 4: like pushing their way through, but they're being faced with

690
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Speaker 4: a lot of opposition. You know, they're being faced with

691
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Speaker 4: big time lawyers. They can't go and advocate and fight

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Speaker 4: for their rights for housing, or roof over their head.

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Speaker 4: When you have the same agencies, like I said at

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Speaker 4: the beginning, you have these same agencies that are supposed

695
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Speaker 4: to be serving them, supporting them and helping them. Now

696
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 4: these agencies are taking them to court, and when they

697
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Speaker 4: get the court, they facing lawyers from the city. Like

698
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Speaker 4: you got a city, you will give your service provider

699
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Speaker 4: a lawyer or avocate, but you won't give the homeless

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Speaker 4: person a lawyer or advocate to go to court with.

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Speaker 4: Like no one is willing to fight against a system

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Speaker 4: for the homeless population. That's why I'm real intrigued and

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Speaker 4: interested and understanding. And again if any of your callers

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Speaker 4: want to call me four one zero three six five, five,

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Speaker 4: five sixty seven, I'm really interested in civil rights weak

706
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Speaker 4: and how does this help those that are going through

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Speaker 4: going through the issues that they are facing.

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Speaker 6: How does it right home?

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Speaker 1: Authority? I got a question for you, since you're on

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Speaker 1: a legal fight, do you have any attorneys who are

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Speaker 1: willing to do some pro bono work for you? If not,

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Speaker 1: can you get some law students who are willing to

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Speaker 1: take it on as a project to help the homeless?

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Speaker 1: Have you made any appeals that way? Can you get

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Speaker 1: anybody in the legal department to help.

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Speaker 4: This is our appeal process right now, Carl. That's why

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Speaker 4: I thank you for having us so on. Because we

718
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Speaker 4: have reached out to legal Aid, we have reached out

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Speaker 4: to some of the pro bono free services and Baltimore

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Speaker 4: City and once again a lot of the individuals are

721
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Speaker 4: being told that their cases, they don't want to take

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Speaker 4: their case, or their case may not be you know

723
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Speaker 4: enough people. You know, like when we're dealing with the hotel,

724
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Speaker 4: we're dealing with the mode, we're dealing with families that

725
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Speaker 4: are going through medical issues, and when somebody say, well,

726
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Speaker 4: you need to get more than two of y'all, like

727
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Speaker 4: we need the whole host. Like a lot of these

728
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Speaker 4: lawyers or people that have this ability to defend them,

729
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: they're not understanding that our individuals and the shelters, they

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Speaker 4: have to face retaliation. They have to face people bullying them,

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Speaker 4: threatening them to put them out on the street. I

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Speaker 4: don't know why. Consciously a lot of individuals want the homeless.

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Speaker 4: I want them to come all out at one time

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Speaker 4: and speak up. I would love for them to call

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Speaker 4: but I know and I have learned over the years

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Speaker 4: that the retaliation against the homeless community is so by design.

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Speaker 4: And I say that because if people see them speaking

738
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Speaker 4: out or complaining, they start making their stay untolerable. They

739
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Speaker 4: start creating things putting them out. You know, I had

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Speaker 4: a man they would they falsely accused him.

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Speaker 1: Well, hold that story right there, because we got to

742
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Speaker 1: step aside for a moment, Minister Christina Flowers. I'll let

743
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Speaker 1: you tell her story about a man that was falsely

744
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Speaker 1: accused it. But four minutes away from the top there,

745
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Speaker 1: we got to check the traffic and weather in our

746
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Speaker 1: different cities. Family, you two can get in on this

747
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Speaker 1: conversation with homeless advocate Minister Christina Flowers. Reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: to seventy six and we'll take a phone calls after

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Speaker 1: the trafficking weather that's next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for starting your day with us this Tuesday morning. I

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Speaker 1: guess there's a minister Christina Flowers. She's a homeless affacant

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Speaker 1: works in the streets of Baltimore City. Am'ma tellor. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna speak with doctor doctor Gamble. He's remember Brandon Gamble.

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Speaker 1: He's a member of the Association of Black Psychoagius and

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Speaker 1: this is the probably one issues we'll talk to him

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Speaker 1: about as well. But Minister Flowers, before we left for

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Speaker 1: the traffican weather updates you about to tell us the story,

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Speaker 1: So I'll let you finish that story for us.

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Speaker 4: And it was basically just just bringing to the light

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Speaker 4: how deep, how deep it goes when you talk about

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Speaker 4: being when people are just attacking our homeless community. So

763
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Speaker 4: one of our young guys was told he was attempted

764
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Speaker 4: to be put out of the hotel basically because they

765
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Speaker 4: said he was smoking marijuana outside of the hotel. They

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Speaker 4: have retaliated against him because he's one of the individuals

767
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Speaker 4: that went and wrote his own court papers up. So

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Speaker 4: what he did the next day after they tried to

769
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Speaker 4: say he was smoking marijuana outside of the facility, he

770
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Speaker 4: went and got it pits tests. He was so serious

771
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Speaker 4: and understanding how far this system will go to discredit

772
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Speaker 4: their reputation. Now you can think, how do you want

773
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Speaker 4: to discredit a homeless person reputation? How do you want

774
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 4: to make them look like, you know, they're not with it.

775
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 4: They literally did this, and he went and got a

776
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Speaker 4: piss test next day to prove that he hasn't smoked

777
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Speaker 4: marijuana in over thirty years, but he knowed that it

778
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: was just something created as a lie. And this was

779
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: too put into agreements and not follow through. I'm in

780
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Speaker 4: my mind thinking, I guess because again, when you're talking

781
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Speaker 4: accountability to these big establishments, to these big agencies, they

782
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: can always sweep things under the rug, like they can

783
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 4: make a homeless person look uncreditable. They can make them

784
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 4: look like they're out of their mind in all kinds

785
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Speaker 4: of ways. And it's happening a lot. So me at

786
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 4: the level that I see it at, I gotta constantly

787
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Speaker 4: reframe and I say, refrained from a lot of I'm

788
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: gonna say aggressiveness towards the system that I see and

789
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Speaker 4: I'm experiencing. This is by design, Like we got a

790
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: system that's designed to hurt, not too equipping in power.

791
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 4: They are there to hurt a lot of our homeless community,

792
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Speaker 4: or they want to discredit them or make them look like,

793
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 4: you know, they turning down housing. They're not turning down housing.

794
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 4: Some homeless people have children, they don't want their children,

795
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Speaker 4: and a lot of violence a lot of places right there.

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Speaker 1: Because we got to move on, because we have a

797
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: next guess on debt. But are you seeing an increase

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Speaker 1: and children in the homeless camps these days, Minister Flowers.

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Speaker 4: They have been an increase in our youth homelessness if

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Speaker 4: you have been I don't know how much you watch

801
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 4: the news in Baltimore City, but probably over this past

802
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 4: month we have even found young youth deceased and baked houses.

803
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Speaker 4: We just had a young girl out of the foster

804
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Speaker 4: care system that was found deceased in a hotel downtown.

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Speaker 4: So when you're talking about agencies, when you're talking about DSS,

806
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: when you're talking about foster care, all of these agencies

807
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: are becoming entangled together. Like DSS is calling homeless services

808
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 4: homeless services. They trying to connect with Family Provision. You

809
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 4: got foster care, If homeless services got a hotel room,

810
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: then again you're just mixing everybody in different populations, and

811
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Speaker 4: we don't know if they're putting youth in a more

812
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 4: dangerous situation because you are putting them in unattended hotels.

813
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: You know, you got to be really careful how we

814
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Speaker 4: are dealing with the population, whether it's the youth that

815
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 4: is experiencing homelessness, It's like everybody should be handled in

816
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 4: their own and their own herita away, whatever you're dealing with,

817
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 4: if you're dealing with that substance abuse, if you're dealing

818
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 4: with the mental illness, if you're dealing with trauma, if

819
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 4: you're dealing with things that you should be triage for,

820
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 4: you should be engaged for, and you should be having

821
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Speaker 4: a plan put together for each person that's experiencing homelessness.

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Speaker 1: Car So you know we're gonna cut it that because

823
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Speaker 1: we've got another guest down deck. But listen, I just

824
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for what you do. We should

825
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Speaker 1: have a Christina Flowers in every city to look out

826
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Speaker 1: for homeless and people listening all across the country now

827
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Speaker 1: and if they can help you obviously, because you need

828
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Speaker 1: help fighting all the logistics with the city for funds

829
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Speaker 1: and just help. And now the weather's getting cooler, you're

830
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: going to need much more help. And then all these layoffs,

831
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Speaker 1: these especially in the folks who work for the federal

832
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: government and some of the private companies are reducing as well.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be much more acute problem for you.

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Speaker 1: So how can folks reach you if they want to

835
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Speaker 1: help you, and what do you need?

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Speaker 4: You reach out to me? We have a website called www.

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Speaker 4: Help for Tomorrow's Homeless dot org. You can reach me

838
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 4: by text directly to my cell phone. I will return

839
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Speaker 4: your texts. That's at four one zero, that's three six

840
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Speaker 4: five five five sixty seven. And we are always available

841
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 4: if it's picking up donations. If you have donations, we'll

842
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 4: try to avail ourself and call. I just want to

843
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 4: give a quick shout out and closing, because I know

844
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Speaker 4: DC is about to be having a wonderful radio host

845
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Speaker 4: around there, Sister Jennifer Jalencia. She is with the Homeless

846
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: Kings and Queens and DC and she's going to be

847
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: coming on board of our WLB ten ten am Family Call,

848
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 4: and I have encouraged her to reach out to you.

849
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Speaker 4: I am her mentor, she calls me her mentor. But

850
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 4: she does the work every Saturday in DC in front

851
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 4: of the mid Snider Shelter. She's feeding, she's serving them.

852
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward and I'm excited about what she's

853
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 4: going to be bringing to the airways coming straight out

854
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 4: of DC Call. So I'm looking forward to that. Thank

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00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: you so much, call for always letting our voice come

856
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 4: on and be heard from Baltimore City from this homeless

857
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Speaker 4: advocate specialist. I thank you so much for the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: No, I thank you because you're doing the work, your

859
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: boots on the ground, So I want to thank you

860
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Speaker 1: for continuing to do that. Anytime you need a help,

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00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 1: just give us a call. You Carl all right, family,

862
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Speaker 1: that's a minister. Christina Flowers is a homeless advocate out

863
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Speaker 1: of Baltimore Citium. And some folks are just maybe a

864
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Speaker 1: paycheck away from joining the homeless, or they're sleeping in

865
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Speaker 1: their cars or couch surfing with friends. It's a serious problem.

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Speaker 1: It's only going to get worse. It's we talked about

867
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Speaker 1: the pending layoffs and governments shut down and companies downsizing

868
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Speaker 1: as well. Anyway, we're going to do some of that

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Speaker 1: with Our next guest is doctor Brandon Gamble is from

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Speaker 1: the Association of Black Psychologists. Doctor Gamble, Grand Rising, welcome

871
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Speaker 1: back to the program.

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Speaker 10: Well, thank you, good to be back with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, we got a lot of issues. Yeah, we've

874
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Speaker 1: got a lot of issues. You know, homeless is just

875
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Speaker 1: part of it. But we when I talked to folks,

876
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Speaker 1: Dr Gamble, they they're sort of not I wouldn't say confused,

877
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Speaker 1: but anxiety levels have risen that they don't know what

878
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Speaker 1: to do. Some folks have just cut and run. You know,

879
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: you've seen that they moved to the Costa Rica. We

880
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: moved to Ghana or to the islands or somewhere, and

881
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: other folks say, we're not going to We built this country,

882
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: so you know, blood, sweat and tears are in all

883
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Speaker 1: these buildings. You know, we created this. We're going to

884
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Speaker 1: stand out ground, we're going to plant the flag, and

885
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: we're going to fight. And other folks just don't know

886
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: what to do, whether they you know, his like on

887
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: a swivel. Where should I go or should I run?

888
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Speaker 1: Should I go? How do we deal with all of this?

889
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Speaker 1: Start to gamble?

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Speaker 10: Well, I'll at least tell you where I'm coming from

891
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Speaker 10: before I give you a few of my answers.

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Speaker 6: Just real quickly.

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Speaker 10: The Association of Black Psychologists sees its mission and destiny

894
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 10: as the liberation of the African mind, empowerment of the

895
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Speaker 10: African character, and enlightenment and the illumination of the African spirit.

896
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Speaker 10: So you're right about the increased anxiety, even studies recently

897
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Speaker 10: after COVID. So since twenty twenty two, there's been an

898
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Speaker 10: increase of black people seeking mental health services, especially since

899
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Speaker 10: twenty twenty. Yet another trend show that many black people

900
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Speaker 10: did not receive the help they needed, so only thirty

901
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Speaker 10: nine percent got the help that they needed compared to

902
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Speaker 10: fifty two percent of white folks. So there's a lot

903
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Speaker 10: of issues with you know, not receiving culturally competent providers,

904
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Speaker 10: historic and systemic mistrust, and racism has declared was declared

905
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Speaker 10: a public health crisis just four years ago. So there's

906
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Speaker 10: also fear of discrimination and internalized stigma when it comes

907
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Speaker 10: to receiving mental health services. So wanting to not be

908
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Speaker 10: where we're at and deal with a lot of the

909
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Speaker 10: issues that was during our current federal administration's first term,

910
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Speaker 10: right and then dealing with the worldwide pandemic just exacerbated

911
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Speaker 10: the issue, but it also made people more connected to

912
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Speaker 10: the idea that it's okay to receive mental health services

913
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Speaker 10: or be aware of our mental wellness and to somehow

914
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Speaker 10: those things also got convoluted with politics and region and

915
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 10: space and place, right, whether I'm thinking of going back

916
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Speaker 10: to Africa, or some of the folks who I know

917
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Speaker 10: who call themselves foundational Black Americans wanting to stay or

918
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Speaker 10: even you know, folks who are prepping for something worse,

919
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Speaker 10: where they're storing food, storing guns, being ready. Man it

920
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Speaker 10: maybe even wonder have we lived like times through times

921
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Speaker 10: like this before? Parts yes, but other parts no. This

922
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Speaker 10: is this is unprecedented stuff. But yeah, yeah, I hope

923
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Speaker 10: I'm answering your question this early in the morning over

924
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Speaker 10: here on the West Coast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thank you for waking up for it

926
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Speaker 1: to help us out with us, you know, because prior

927
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Speaker 1: to you, we're speaking with minister and Christina Flowers and

928
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Speaker 1: some about the homeless. The increase in the homeless and

929
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Speaker 1: mental health issues is one of the major problems too

930
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Speaker 1: with our homeless population, and they don't have the wherewith

931
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Speaker 1: it all to go even seek help, and some of

932
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Speaker 1: them don't know they need help. Is there still a

933
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Speaker 1: huge stigma attached to doctor Gambler for folks who need

934
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Speaker 1: who needs emotional support? Is it still a stigma if

935
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Speaker 1: you call a person like yourself or they call you

936
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Speaker 1: and this is a petraivik, I apologize a shrink. Is

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Speaker 1: there still that in our community?

938
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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 10: I think that stigma is well earned from the overall

940
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Speaker 10: medical community, particularly here in the United States, given the

941
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Speaker 10: history of how black people were not only experimented upon,

942
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Speaker 10: particularly during you know the my Offer or the great

943
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Speaker 10: disaster that we call enslavement, and through even Jim Crow.

944
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Speaker 10: If you talk about the tuskegu syphilistic, I meant to

945
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Speaker 10: several other issues in regards to sterilization and forced sterilization

946
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Speaker 10: using people's cells. If we talk about Henrietta Lacks. The

947
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Speaker 10: whole medical field has even even more recently been shown

948
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Speaker 10: by doctor David Williams out of Harvard. He's shown that,

949
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Speaker 10: you know, there's continuing racism and perceptions that black folks.

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Speaker 6: Don't experience pain.

951
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Speaker 10: So if my medical provider, and particularly if my mental

952
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Speaker 10: health provider see me as someone who doesn't experience pain

953
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Speaker 10: in the same way that other human beings do, then

954
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Speaker 10: it's difficult to recommend and say, hey, you should go

955
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Speaker 10: see a mental health provider. However, people, and particularly this generation,

956
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Speaker 10: they're more willing to talk about the issues right.

957
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Speaker 1: There before you move on, Why did they think that

958
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Speaker 1: we can enjoy pain more intense than they are? Is

959
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Speaker 1: this some vestiges of slavery? Why we you know, succeptual

960
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: to that we can absorb more more being inflicted, pain

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Speaker 1: inflicted on us than other folks. Why do they think

962
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Speaker 1: why do professionals think that way?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's very likely a straight line because that was,

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Speaker 10: you know, part of how either textbooks were written or

965
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Speaker 10: how medical providers were taught that you know, we were,

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Speaker 10: and particularly black folks. And I'm saying we because I'm

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Speaker 10: one of those black folks that we were seeing as

968
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Speaker 10: less than human. And so if you're seen as less

969
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Speaker 10: than human, they may ascribe to you certain supernatural traits

970
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Speaker 10: because also sometimes that's only how they can explain how

971
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Speaker 10: we can do things that they couldn't do physically and

972
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Speaker 10: also mentally be able to endure awful tortures that they

973
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Speaker 10: would inflict upon us. Yeah, we would still find a

974
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Speaker 10: way to develop family, to thrive, to want to run away.

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Speaker 10: It's kind of in the same territory as this very old,

976
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Speaker 10: particularly American psychological term ispe drape dominia, starting with the

977
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Speaker 10: d dais and dogs drape domania, meaning that a person

978
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Speaker 10: who was enslaved would have the nerve and temerity and

979
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 10: just foolishness to want to run away from an enslaved system.

980
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 10: In an designed system like that where you know, right

981
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 10: is turned upside down and you are supposed to believe

982
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 10: a lie about yourself that you're inferior.

983
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Speaker 6: Eventually other people start believing the lie.

984
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Speaker 10: So by the you know, even after thirty years of slavery,

985
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 10: forty years of slavery, fifty sixty and so on, people

986
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 10: were still believing the lie that black people were not

987
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 10: only inferior, but also of human and capable of enduring

988
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 10: greater amounts of pain.

989
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. We'll come up on

990
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Speaker 1: a break and Mark from anaheis sent me a question

991
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: for you at fifteen at the top of the hour.

992
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: But it seems like we're under attack. Coming up tomorrow,

993
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is going to start have these hearings

994
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: on the civil rights of voting that very restrict our

995
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: voting privileges. It seems like every way we turn, it

996
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: seems like us and people wanted why us? Why are

997
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: we targeted? Are we just imagining this doctor gamble? Or

998
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: are we really under attack? Or is it just that

999
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, we perceive it differently. Are these things, you know,

1000
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: what we see coming against us, are they coming against

1001
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: other groups as well? Or just like, wow, we're hallucinating,

1002
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: you know. See, I think that's part of the anxiety problem.

1003
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Speaker 1: And I'll let you respond when we get back. I'm

1004
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: looking at the clock. We got a step aside for

1005
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: a few moments. Sixteen minutes after the top of they

1006
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: our family, You got a question for our guess doctor,

1007
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: doctor Gamble reach out to us at eight hundred and

1008
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Doctor Gamble

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Speaker 1: is a member of the Black psych Call Just Association.

1010
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: So you've got to and don't be Bashfield. You got

1011
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: a question. You know you can use a different name,

1012
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: and you want to talk about it. You know, we

1013
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: get it, but take advantage of his expertise. We'll take

1014
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: a phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for

1015
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: starting your Tuesday with us. At twenty minutes after the top,

1016
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Speaker 1: they are. Our guest is doctor Brandon Gamble. Doctor Gamble

1017
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Speaker 1: is from the Association of Black Psidologists. Trying to figure

1018
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: out how do we deal with the situation that we're in.

1019
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: It seems always seems like we're perpetually under attack. As

1020
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: I mentioned, this is going to be hearing the Supreme

1021
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: quote about may end up dismantling some of our voting rights.

1022
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: That's going to take place tomorrow. We're going to talk

1023
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: about that with the next set of guests that are

1024
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: coming up. Also, we see the attack on systems, especially

1025
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: black women. So doctor Gamble, help us out here. Are

1026
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: we imagining things or is this this sort of organic

1027
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: or do you think it's come from planet? And how

1028
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Speaker 1: do we respond to it?

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Speaker 10: Well, I will go through a few issues here real quickly.

1030
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Speaker 10: So the election, you know, there was direct attacks on

1031
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 10: via anti blackness, and they were really targeted towards Haitian immigrants,

1032
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 10: but in bizarre and extreme ways, you know, talking about

1033
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 10: they're eating the dogs, right. I don't know if anyone

1034
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 10: remembers that one. It seems so long ago because it's

1035
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 10: all so difficult and compounded. The other thing is that

1036
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 10: the loss of the election, and many Black people as

1037
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Speaker 10: well as other people of color, voted for one candidate

1038
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 10: in particular, however, an increased number voted for the current president,

1039
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 10: and that kind of disjointed effort threw some people off,

1040
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 10: especially you know, Latinos and particularly black people. And I

1041
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 10: know there was a conversation around many black men or

1042
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 10: an increased number of black men voting for the current president. However,

1043
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 10: as it panned out when the actual election came through,

1044
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 10: black men still voted in larger percentages for the other

1045
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 10: candidate who was the vice president. So a lot of

1046
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 10: people are confused about the issues when people of color

1047
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 10: lost their jobs, but they shouldn't be confused anymore being

1048
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 10: detained by ice as we saw in Chicago. And then

1049
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Speaker 10: there's been key programs shut down, particularly around mental health

1050
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Speaker 10: and substance abuse just this week, and even you know,

1051
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 10: though the CDC made efforts to combat racism as a

1052
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 10: public health crisis, it doesn't seem like an accident that

1053
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 10: the CDC has been rearranged and many people have been

1054
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 10: let go, and a lot of the funding that were

1055
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 10: going to combat racism, particularly related to mental health, have

1056
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 10: been cut. So also this, and this is kind of

1057
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 10: the last piece I'll say before I fully answer your question.

1058
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 10: The death of a prominent white nationalist on a live

1059
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 10: social media platform, and then black people were blamed on

1060
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 10: social media somehow, and even you know, for a moment,

1061
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 10: HBCUs seem to be the target of some people's ire

1062
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Speaker 10: on social media, even though it was found that it

1063
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Speaker 10: was a white person who did the shooting of this

1064
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Speaker 10: white nationalist. So no, we are not imagining any of this.

1065
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 10: This is a direct attack on Black people, but it's

1066
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 10: been a part of an ongoing assault on our very

1067
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 10: being because too much of this country was built upon

1068
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 10: a lie that Black people were inferior inhuman in order

1069
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 10: to subjugate and enslave many of our ancestors who are

1070
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 10: on this land. So I hope that answers the main

1071
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 10: part of the question, because I got some good recommendations

1072
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 10: for folks, because it's okay, stay here and think about

1073
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 10: are we imagining this pain?

1074
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Speaker 6: No, this pain is real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want you to go through them later, But

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this. So far, the MAGA group,

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Speaker 1: they've been trying to entice us, as you mentioned, to

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Speaker 1: get in. It seems like they want something more physical.

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Speaker 1: They've been coming on our campuses claiming they're trying to

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01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: recruit folks. They they say they're going to show up,

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Speaker 1: but they showed up at at our churches in Philly.

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Speaker 1: They say they come into the homecoming games as well,

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Speaker 1: so Howard look Out and they were on the campus

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Speaker 1: of Howard University as well in Tennessee State with their

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01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: red hats, and our young folks didn't take the bait.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering if they're going to do something

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Speaker 1: more so maybe use an agent provocate tour to get

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Speaker 1: things started. What what do you use? What advice you

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Speaker 1: have first for our young people, especially on the college campuses,

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: because seems that's where they're targeting. And you mentioned the ice.

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01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: They start off with the Ice folks, but they're still

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Speaker 1: going after ou messing with our folks in Chicago. And

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Speaker 1: Chairman Fred's going to talk about that as well when

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01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: he comes down later this morning. So how do how

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Speaker 1: do we So far, We've been pretty good. I got

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Speaker 1: to say that we haven't taken the bait, but that

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Speaker 1: means they may ramp it up. So how do we

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Speaker 1: do this on a long term basis?

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01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 6: Though?

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01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: Because this is what they want. You're right, they want

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01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: us to react. They're not doing this on any other campuses,

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01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: are going to any other racial group. Just seems like us.

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: So I'm just wanting are we hallucinating or are we

1104
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: imagining stuff? Or this real? Are we really under attack?

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01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: And what do we do? Give us the advice?

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01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 10: This is not a drill, This is real. We are

1107
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 10: really under attack now. One of the weapons that they

1108
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 10: seek to use is chaos and disruption, and therefore our

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01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 10: response can be is not to even engage with them.

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01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 10: They're seeking to provoke a reaction that they could put

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01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 10: on a camera or that they can put on a radio.

1112
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 10: And I've heard many, particularly parents of young people, go

1113
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 10: on social media who've given this consistent message of ignoring them.

1114
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 10: Go ahead and go to class, take care of your business.

1115
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 10: Right now is not the time to engage with these folks.

1116
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 10: I do appreciate administrations, and I did not only work

1117
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 10: at HP to you, but I attended that HBCU and

1118
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 10: while I was working there, both of my children were

1119
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 10: attending that school, and that's Oakwood University in Huntsville, Alabama,

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Speaker 10: and I got to know the police chiefs there really well,

1121
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 10: and as well as some of the other security forces

1122
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,799
Speaker 10: that were on the campus, and they did an excellent

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01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 10: job of being able to be clear of who was

1124
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 10: coming on and off of campus because those types of

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Speaker 10: threats that are unfortunately ongoing. Even when I was a

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01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 10: student back in the nineties, our administration was making sure

1127
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 10: that there were not local provocateeers who are coming on

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01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 10: campus to try to disrupt us from what we needed

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Speaker 10: to do. So I'm sympathetic and in support of all

1130
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 10: those folks who are on those campuses who are keeping

1131
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 10: the students focused on the main thing, and the main

1132
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 10: thing is their education and their ability to be able

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01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 10: to go out and serve our model. And I'm sure

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01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 10: there are a few other HBCUs that I've learned have

1135
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 10: similar models in to learn, depart to serve, and even

1136
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 10: if and let's say this young person is there, one

1137
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 10: of my recommendations is coming from the late Kwame Terrae,

1138
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 10: is to organize, organize, organize, join an organization that will

1139
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 10: not only help you graduate, but will also help you

1140
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 10: find a way to serve other black people and support them.

1141
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 10: We talked about the significant needs before I came on,

1142
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 10: and they were talking about Baltimore and the challenges there.

1143
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 10: We've got to be supportive of one another more than

1144
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 10: we're worried about what these missing throats.

1145
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 6: Are up to.

1146
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: Twenty seven half that top you talked about earlier about

1147
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: the folks who supported Donald Trump in the election, and

1148
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: some of the folks, some black folks as well. You

1149
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: had a turned out, as you correctly pointed out, wasn't it.

1150
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: They didn't move the needle quite a bit for black men,

1151
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: even though the targeted black men, you know, some sort

1152
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: of misogyny because a black woman was running. We couldn't

1153
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: support a black woman, you know, because she's a woman,

1154
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: or some people just couldn't support it because she was black.

1155
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 1: These are black folks I'm talking about now, Doctor, How

1156
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: do you think they now that they've seen what the

1157
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: results of what they did, even if they did not

1158
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: vote for Dontro or stayed home. If you stayed home,

1159
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: you voted for him. So how do you think they're

1160
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: rationalizing now? Are they having buyer's remorse?

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01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:22,799
Speaker 6: No, some of them aren't.

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01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 10: Some of them are making very significant efforts because they've

1163
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 10: had to accept the lie, the lie that Donald Trump

1164
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 10: either cares about them, or the lie of kind of

1165
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 10: nihilism that you know, it doesn't matter what happens. Just

1166
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 10: at least vote your conscience. The country's no worse, And

1167
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 10: particularly for Black Americans, they're not coming for us. They're

1168
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 10: coming for these immigrants, even though when they see it

1169
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 10: on the TV screen or sometimes even in person, if

1170
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 10: they live in that same city, knowing that people are

1171
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 10: losing their rights, knowing that people are losing their jobs,

1172
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 10: they're still locked into that. I do have some even

1173
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 10: family members who have a bit of buyer's remorse because

1174
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 10: they've lost their job. So that's a hard reality. But

1175
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 10: many folks, until they're faced with some of those hard realities,

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01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 10: they're going to believe that they did the right thing

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01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 10: and that the right person is in power right now.

1178
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 10: That's an interesting dynamic and my senses we're going to

1179
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 10: be studying that for years to come. But as one

1180
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 10: of our elders from the Association of Black Psychologist doctor

1181
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 10: nine Acbar saying that behavior is predictable after four hundred

1182
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 10: years of trying to convince us that we are less

1183
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 10: than human, accepting that condition is predictable.

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01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: Having said that, at thirty minutes after the top of

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: they do they believe those who helped put this person

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01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: in office. They believe that ol things are going to

1187
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: get better. It's only going to be there for four

1188
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 1: years and then you know, we're going to go back

1189
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: to normal. Are they buying that that recipe?

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Speaker 10: They really are, They really are. They're they're hoping. And

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 10: these are folks who I talk with, interact with on

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01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 10: social media, but other people, whether at church or eternal organizations,

1193
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 10: they believe that the current presidential administration is doing the

1194
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 10: right thing and and those benefits and dividends will come

1195
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 10: to them because they've straightened out the financial situation or

1196
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 10: particularly the immigrant situation, and they find themselves juxtaposed or

1197
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 10: pitted against immigrants. But also this bizarre perception that you know,

1198
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 10: came around that there's black people aren't welfare and the

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 10: welfare budget is what's tanking the economy, not that they'd give,

1200
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 10: you know, millions and billions of dollars to billionaires and

1201
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 10: breaks for them. You know, Malcolm X said, you can't

1202
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 10: hate the roots of the tree without ending up hating

1203
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 10: the tree. You can't hate your origin without ending up

1204
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 10: hating yourself. And at times I've had the question and

1205
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 10: wonder like do you even like black people or love

1206
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 10: or care for black people, or even what's your solution

1207
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 10: or your question? And that's my question for anybody who's

1208
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 10: politically active from the left or the right, But that

1209
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 10: question in particularly is something I'll ask people who claim

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 10: to be a part of the mag of movement and

1211
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 10: who are black, and particularly who are African American, what

1212
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 10: is your plan and what are your actions to support

1213
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 10: black people in their times of need in times of challenge?

1214
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 1: Gotcha twenty eight away from the top day, I got

1215
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 1: a tweet question for you, and I got a tweet

1216
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: question from Marca Manheim. But Philip is checking in from

1217
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: DC has a question for you as well as online too,

1218
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: Grand Rising. Philip your question for a doctor Gamble.

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01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 11: Hey, good morning, Carl, Good morning doctor Gamble. First of all,

1220
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 11: I want to acknowledge you both. Thank you very much

1221
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 11: for your work.

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01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: So I have a.

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01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 11: Couple of questions. The first question is, like, I know

1224
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 11: of a few people who have gone in you know,

1225
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 11: or you know, I've basically I've heard of situations where

1226
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 11: people will go in and acknowledge they have a mental

1227
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 11: health crisis or mental health.

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01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 6: Thing that they're.

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01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 11: Concerned about, and they would go in but they would

1230
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 11: be like, let's say they would need talk therapy, right,

1231
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 11: but the people would say, hey, you know, you don't

1232
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 11: really need talk therapy like that, and prescribing medications and

1233
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 11: things like that, and sometimes those medications, you know, make symptoms.

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 6: A little worse.

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01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 11: Like, for instance, there was one I was familiar with

1236
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 11: where it actually caused the person or persons to have

1237
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,759
Speaker 11: like suicidal thoughts and things like that. So I wanted

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01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 11: to know, like, you know, with a situation like that

1239
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 11: where a patient is very frustrated, regarding like they want

1240
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 11: one type of therapy, but the provider is, you know,

1241
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 11: insisting that they get the pharmaceuticals. What should a person

1242
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 11: do in that kind of situation.

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01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 10: Wow, that's a great question.

1244
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 6: You know.

1245
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 10: One of the things that I've been heartened by just

1246
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 10: before and I would you say, around twenty sixteen, there

1247
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 10: were several studies that came out at historically black colleges

1248
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 10: which we've been talking about, and what they found is

1249
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 10: that the reduction of stigma really happened for people when

1250
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 10: they took a friend or a friend referred another student

1251
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 10: to a really good mental health provider. So one of

1252
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 10: the things I think that we have to do as

1253
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 10: black folks is connect with other black folks who know

1254
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,720
Speaker 10: good mental health providers. So we have to spread the

1255
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 10: word amongst ourselves about really good supports. If we get

1256
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 10: to the point where we find that the opinion of

1257
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 10: one particular provider is not working most of the times

1258
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 10: any other issue, what we'll do is seek a second opinion. Now,

1259
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 10: sometimes either insurance or other things might be a barrier

1260
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 10: to that, but it's okay to ask for a supervisor

1261
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 10: or ask for someone else who's in charge. Here's an

1262
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 10: interesting thing about medication. A lot of people think it's

1263
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 10: going to take six to eight weeks. It may take

1264
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 10: six eight weeks before a person starts feeling better, but

1265
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 10: usually sometimes it takes two to three days or even

1266
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 10: that day before you know that you're not feeling well,

1267
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 10: that you're feeling bad. So being aware of those symptoms,

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01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 10: and I would round that out to say that it's

1269
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 10: good to have a family member or some type of

1270
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 10: advocate that you support and who can support you in

1271
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 10: the process. So as if you're a person who's dealing

1272
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 10: with a mental health challenge, is your perception of reality

1273
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 10: is altered for a moment, So you have somebody who's

1274
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 10: looking out for your best interests, who can check in

1275
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 10: and pose some fundamental questions about how how are you feeling?

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01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 10: Remember this is part of a distorted reality. For a moment,

1277
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 10: your perception may it better. But we can also go

1278
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 10: and seek some different help rather than trying to lock

1279
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 10: in on something that one person said. Again, going back

1280
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 10: to the kind of thing that created many of the stigma,

1281
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 10: is that there's a perception that we're not susceptible to

1282
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 10: certain types of pain. So it's good to know what

1283
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 10: those side effects are for any of those kinds of things.

1284
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 10: But it's also good to be clear, and this is

1285
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 10: coming from the patient's side to the therapist or to

1286
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 10: the other mental health provider, whether they're a psychiatrist or

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Speaker 10: even a nurse practitioner who prescribes medication. Is to be

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Speaker 10: clear about all the symptoms that you're having, because sometimes

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Speaker 10: there can be a misdiagnosis and it leads to poor

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Speaker 10: medical treatment.

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Speaker 6: But either way, it's good to know your rights.

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Speaker 10: And every state has its own specific set of rights

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Speaker 10: in relation to mental health services and supports. And it's

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Speaker 10: also good to have someone who's advocating and supporting you.

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Speaker 10: I would say, if you are in an area where

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Speaker 10: there's an association a Black Psychologists chapter, perhaps you connect with

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Speaker 10: them just to make sure that you're able to have

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Speaker 10: access to someone who may be able to provide a

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Speaker 10: second opinion. And particularly sometimes I think it's important to

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Speaker 10: have a black person diagnose a black person, especially if

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Speaker 10: you're living a very black life.

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Speaker 1: All right, And Philip Holier second follow up question, we've

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Speaker 1: got to step aside and get caught up with the ladies' news,

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Speaker 1: traffick weather of different cities. Family, you too, want to

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Speaker 1: join our conversation with doctor Brandon Gamble. Reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight is

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Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take a phone calls after news

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Speaker 1: this next and Grand Rising Family, thanks for rolling with

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Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning, sixteen minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top of the hour. Shout out to teachers on the

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Speaker 1: way to work this morning. Hopefully you'll hear something on

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Speaker 1: the radio you can share with your students when you

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Speaker 1: get to class. Before we go on with our guest,

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Speaker 1: doctor Brandon Gamble, let me just remind you coming up

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Speaker 1: late this morning, Chair and Fred Hampton's going to be here,

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Speaker 1: is going to respond to the fact that the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration wants to put troops on the streets of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: He's going to do that before we do that. Though,

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Speaker 1: we were joined by two attorneys, Attorney Jones. Also we're

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Speaker 1: going to be joined by who else. Barbara on Wine

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Speaker 1: is going to be really they're part of the group

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Speaker 1: that the civil rights group Dal Jones, I should say,

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Speaker 1: the Transformative and Justice Coalition. They're going to give us

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Speaker 1: a breakdown what's going on with this voting rights issue

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Speaker 1: that's going to be for the Supreme Court on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: So that's going to happen later this morning and late

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Speaker 1: this week, we're going to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary the

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Speaker 1: Melliam Man March with two of the architects of the

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Speaker 1: March that we're working behind the scenes. One of them

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Speaker 1: is a reverend, doctor Willie Wilson from Union Temple Baptist

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Speaker 1: Church in Washington, d C. The other is Quntent creator,

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Speaker 1: doctor Milana Kerenga. In fact, those two were on the

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Speaker 1: phones working in the Minister Farcon called both of them

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Speaker 1: first when he decided to do the Milliam Man March. Also,

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Speaker 1: doctor Kurrenger wrote the manifesto for the March. They'll be

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Speaker 1: here also, University of Houston's doctor Jerald Horn will join us.

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Speaker 1: Oh one more note that I got to mention too.

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Speaker 1: There's going to be a tribute to a sider Ship Corps.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna with the doctor Mark Lemon Hill coming in

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: from Phil Defford coming into town. That's going to be

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday at bus Boys and Poets. This is the

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Speaker 1: one at fourteenth and V and it starts at six thirty.

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Speaker 1: So family, keep those announcements in mind and if you're

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Speaker 1: in the Baltimore, you keep listening to us on ten

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Speaker 1: ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV, you're rolling

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Speaker 1: on FM ninety five point nine at am fourteen fifty

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Speaker 1: w L. Let just go back to Phillip in the district. Philip,

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Speaker 1: your second question, your follow up question for doctor Gamble.

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Speaker 11: Yes, thank you for thank you.

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Speaker 6: So you mentioned insurance.

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Speaker 11: I noticed a lot like, well, some people.

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01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 12: May may may be locked into the Medicare and Medicaid

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Speaker 12: and that greatly impacts, you know, the kind of providers

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Speaker 12: they can get, Like what are some tips you know

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Speaker 12: in terms of like you know, navigating that because it's

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Speaker 12: about you know, but go ahead.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well I would say, you know, take time pretty

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Speaker 10: much at least once a month to look for the

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Speaker 10: right providers who are in your area. If you've been

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Speaker 10: on a job, particularly a government job, I know they

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Speaker 10: have open enrollment, or if you start your job, there's

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Speaker 10: open enrollment. Also, be aware of any changes with family

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Speaker 10: and planning and if there are things is sometimes that

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Speaker 10: triggers an open enrollment opportunity.

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Speaker 6: But also get.

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Speaker 10: To know who those providers are. And it's I think

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Speaker 10: as well within your rights to continue to ask for

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Speaker 10: are are there any African American doctors? But the other

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Speaker 10: follow up question is, no matter what the background or

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Speaker 10: ethnicity of that doctor, how well do they do with

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Speaker 10: patients of African descent? What is their experience? How do

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Speaker 10: they keep records and numbers of their efforts to improve

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Speaker 10: the lives of their patients. Sometimes people will work in

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Speaker 10: a certain area and claim that they have the best

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Speaker 10: interests of those folks in mind, but do not have

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Speaker 10: the track record that they're providing high quality services for them.

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Speaker 10: And I would say the other thing is, like I said,

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Speaker 10: check in with the Association of Black Psychologists. There's also

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Speaker 10: an association for Black Social Workers. There's a group of

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Speaker 10: black psychiatrists who be together, and it may be good

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Speaker 10: to contact them and see if there are any of

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Speaker 10: their members in your area, and they'll be held to

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Speaker 10: a different and particularly higher standard for their care of

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Speaker 10: support of black folks. When it comes to navigating these systems,

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Speaker 10: I will say it's not easy right now, given what's

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Speaker 10: happening at the federal government level that's impacting the types

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Speaker 10: of services that people are receiving, and depends on what

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Speaker 10: states you're in. If the state doesn't prioritize healthcare as

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Speaker 10: a priority.

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Speaker 6: That may be difficult, but usually and I don't know.

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Speaker 10: How we continue to do it, but yet we do.

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Speaker 10: We continue to find a way to develop an underground

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Speaker 10: and look at what's the optimal standard of living. And

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Speaker 10: this is the flip side of the medical profession. The

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Speaker 10: medical profession quite often looks at what's wrong with you,

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Speaker 10: but they don't necessarily have a conversation about you living

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Speaker 10: your best and optimize life and asking what's right with you?

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Speaker 10: And I would say, if you have a spiritual practice,

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Speaker 10: or if you have a group of people in your

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Speaker 10: community who are seeking to better themselves, how are they

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Speaker 10: living their best life? It's good to have conversations with

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Speaker 10: other people, particularly people who have your best interests in mind.

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Speaker 10: So embed those conversations within the community that's seeking to

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Speaker 10: support you.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Philip, good luck chann away from the topic.

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Speaker 1: I got two tweets where you one from Mark Manhatman

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Speaker 1: and this other tweet It says, please ask the doctors

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Speaker 1: e I a direct attack on Black America.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 10: Huh was that coming directly from March from Anaheim all

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Speaker 10: the way out here?

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Speaker 1: No, this is not this is not. This is the

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Speaker 1: other question. I get to Mark's question, my MoMA. This

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Speaker 1: this was as soon as we're started, they sent me

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Speaker 1: this question. They wanted to know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, was de e I an attack on black people?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, a direct attack that that's been an ongoing discussion.

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Speaker 10: I would even say some of it has, and for

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Speaker 10: me it goes back to graduate school. But I would

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Speaker 10: even say the reason why I find it interesting, I

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Speaker 10: was really studying as an undergraduate and on through my

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Speaker 10: first paper in psychology about the government. I was taking

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Speaker 10: psychology obedient behavior or abnormal behavior, and.

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Speaker 6: I looked I wanted to.

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Speaker 10: Look at race this is in the South, because I

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Speaker 10: was going to school at HBCU in the South, and

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Speaker 10: I ended up getting stuck just on the FBI.

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Speaker 6: And what they were.

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Speaker 10: Doing to convince people against their own best interests, and

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Speaker 10: they were sending disinformation and disruption letters to people who

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Speaker 10: were in the movement, particularly what happened to the Black

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Speaker 10: Panther Party and some other affiliated movements, and how the

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Speaker 10: FBI would send these letters and really harm people, and

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Speaker 10: also how they would torture.

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Speaker 6: Them, particularly how they did Huey P.

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Speaker 10: Newton when he was locked up, and of course Angela

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Speaker 10: Davis and as y'all be talking about later on assadas secure.

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Speaker 10: But I was very curious to see, like, wow, this

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Speaker 10: is how far our own government would go. I knew

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Speaker 10: there might be local sheriffs. And this is my young

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Speaker 10: like twenty year old mine kind of looking at it,

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Speaker 10: and I was just continually surprised. Then I stopped being

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Speaker 10: surprised and said, Okay, this is a pattern. This is

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Speaker 10: a pattern to disrupt our connections. So some of the

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Speaker 10: corporatization and I'm really getting some of this frame and

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01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 10: mindset from the late doctor HUGHY P. Newton's book, which

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Speaker 10: was his dissertation turned into a book called Revolutionary Suicide,

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Speaker 10: in that he's giving up his life for the cause

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Speaker 10: for the people. In that book, he writes about the

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01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 10: need for folks to be aware of corporate entities around

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Speaker 10: the world, not just state entities or state actors, but

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01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 10: corporations really seeking to disrupt people's connections and their efforts

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01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 10: at unity. So if a and even and here's what

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Speaker 10: makes it worse, it might even be well intended.

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Speaker 6: So but if I.

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Speaker 10: Look at the root word for diversity.

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Speaker 6: Some of it is to divide. Now I'm a big

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Speaker 6: fan of Star Trek.

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Speaker 10: I believe in infinite diversity leads to infinite combinations and

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Speaker 10: infinite possibilities.

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Speaker 6: However enacted.

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Speaker 10: If I look at what the results are, and let's

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Speaker 10: say k through twelve schools or even higher education, the

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Speaker 10: more DEI that's come in, the more things have somewhat

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01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 10: stayed the same and people have particularly had challenges being

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01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 10: able to overcome. So at times DEI can be a

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01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 10: distraction and it can be used as a tool, but

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Speaker 10: also it's been a great opportunity for folks to have

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Speaker 10: more discussions and push forward in certain areas. But as

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Speaker 10: you see, the infrastructure of DEI has been easily crumbled

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Speaker 10: in several different areas, and that's always been my biggest

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Speaker 10: concern is to what is the overall purpose, and particularly

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Speaker 10: if I'm looking for the concerns for black people, how

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Speaker 10: are we able to have structure and support and foundation

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01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 10: that doesn't easily get pushed away. Does it provide us

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01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 10: the power that we need to handle even basic things

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01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 10: like being able to pass down the money that we make,

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01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 10: pass down the knowledge that we have to make things

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Speaker 10: better for our next generation. If it doesn't, then I'm

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01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 10: with brother Malcolm X and several others that we need

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01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 10: to continually rethink what we are doing to support our.

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Speaker 1: Own And I got to ask you this, because you're

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Speaker 1: on a college campus. Is this impacted your school any

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Speaker 1: at all?

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Speaker 10: You know, we have been very fortunate, and I have

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Speaker 10: worked at several different institutions within the cal State system

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Speaker 10: and the overall our cal State system, and you see

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01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 10: our governor out here in California is even supportive of

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01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 10: reparation in one regard or another. Some would say he's

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01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 10: not strong enough in support of follow through in actions,

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01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 10: but at least has given lip service to support. And

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Speaker 10: we do have a Senate bill that was passed that

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Speaker 10: ensures that we are receiving some level of support for

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Speaker 10: our black students, and that support has continued in spite

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Speaker 10: of the proclamations and statements coming from the federal government

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Speaker 10: and our president at the university where I'm at presently,

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Speaker 10: Calculate University, San Bernardino, and we've seen even some direct

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01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 10: attacks on some of our programs or other things, but

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Speaker 10: our black student success work has continued on and I

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Speaker 10: think part of it is because we remain open to

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Speaker 10: all students, because there are some students who may not

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01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 10: have necessarily be from a black background or black ethnicity,

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01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 10: but they appreciate the black experience that's happening on campus,

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01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 10: learning more about black history and connecting. And that's because

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01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 10: of proposition to a none. Back in the nineteen nineties

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01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 10: and particularly in the mid nineties when I was a

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01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 10: graduate student down at San Diego State University, I saw

1508
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 10: in real time where that proposition led to the end

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01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 10: of things like affirmative action in the state of California,

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01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 10: but also curtailing of some programs and making sure that

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01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 10: other programs no longer existed, at least sometimes at the

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01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 10: federal level because of the political massinations of people like

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01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 10: New Gingridge and others. I was involved on an African

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01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 10: centered school psychology project back in the day at San

1515
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 10: Diego State, which paid for my tuition and resources. There

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01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 10: aren't those same type of programs for graduate students. However,

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01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 10: there are graduate students who are African American who are

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01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 10: going to school and are being supported financially. It's not ideal,

1519
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 10: but it is much better than many other states where

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01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 10: I've seen all Right, hold.

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01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: I thought there, we got to check the trafficking weather

1522
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,759
Speaker 1: and when we come back. Mark Manheim sent me a

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01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 1: question for you, doctor Gamble. I'll let you respond to

1524
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: that as well. Family, YouTube can join our discussion with

1525
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: doctor Brandon Gamble. He is a member of the Association

1526
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: of Black Psychologists. Reach out to us at eight hundred

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01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

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01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: your phone calls after the trafficking weather that's next. Grand

1529
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: Rising Family, thanks you for sticking with us on this

1530
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 1: Tuesday morning and thanks for being part of your Morning Richeral.

1531
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 1: This morning, we're speaking with doctor Brandon Gamble. Dodtor Gamble

1532
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 1: is from the Association of Black Scientologists and momentary. We're

1533
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: going to have two attorneys going to join us from

1534
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: the Transformative Justice Coalition. We're going to talk about these

1535
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: civil rights you should build. It's on deck coming up

1536
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: to be discussed by the Supreme Court. But doctor Gamble,

1537
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, martham Anaheim sent me a tweet for you,

1538
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: and he first he says hello, and he says he

1539
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: missus surfing. Are you a surfer as well?

1540
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 10: Yes, i am. I'm very proud member of both the

1541
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 10: Black Surf Association as well as the Black Surfers Collective.

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01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: Okay, now, he says and he says here. He says, here,

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01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: I guess you're a martial artist as well. He says,

1544
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: as a martial artist, have you found a way to

1545
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: deal with all of the drama since Inauguration Day twenty

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01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: twenty five?

1547
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 6: Oh wow?

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01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 10: You know, I've been a martial artist since I was

1549
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:27,560
Speaker 10: twelve years old, so everything, even back during the Reagan administration,

1550
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 10: I've found quite a bit of great therapy on the

1551
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 10: match and being able to have a sense of discipline,

1552
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 10: self control, but also every once in a while choking

1553
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 10: somebody as long as you know, you respect somebody's tap

1554
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 10: or requests for you to stop choking them, and good

1555
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 10: practice and discipline is a very great stress reliever. So

1556
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 10: I just went to jiu jitsu and wrestling class last night.

1557
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,759
Speaker 10: So yeah, I continue to practice martial arts and probably

1558
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 10: will I was thinking about my instructor, professor Willard Cephis,

1559
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 10: who's out here. He was in Delaware area for several years,

1560
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 10: but he's out here in California. He just turned eighty eight,

1561
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 10: and he was still practicing in his sixties and throwing

1562
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 10: me around the room when I started training with him

1563
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 10: several years ago.

1564
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Speaker 1: Oh wow. Three half the top second question is as

1565
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 1: someone who interacts with many college age students, what advice

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01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: would you give to college age students who may be

1567
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 1: listening to us this morning all the stuff that we

1568
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:29,719
Speaker 1: just talked about.

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01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I'm having shovel conversations because it's midterms

1570
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 10: right now on campus with students. But first thing that

1571
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 10: I talk to him about is definitely having really clear

1572
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 10: goals for your academics, and those goals having concrete plans

1573
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 10: to accomplish them. So it's one thing to say I

1574
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 10: want a bunch of a's. It's quite another to say

1575
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 10: I need to extend my study time, or I need

1576
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 10: to actually talk to a tutor and utilize their services,

1577
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 10: or or this may be the semester that I go

1578
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 10: to counseling to address that concentration issue I've had, or

1579
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 10: some other issues that may.

1580
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 6: Have come up.

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01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 13: The other thing that I encourage students to do is

1582
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 13: to be able to have a way to serve that

1583
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 13: you could see even before you.

1584
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,799
Speaker 10: Graduate, that you're helping other people before you graduate. Because

1585
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 10: particularly if you're African American, you're one of the privileged

1586
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 10: fuse been able to go to school, you likely know

1587
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 10: somebody who was in your class who wasn't able to

1588
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 10: make it to school and to be able to study,

1589
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 10: and you have that opportunity, go ahead and share that knowledge,

1590
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 10: especially with high school and middle school or even elementary

1591
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 10: school young people, to encourage them to continue on.

1592
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:45,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1593
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would just want to thank you for

1594
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: getting up earlier for us at on the West Coast

1595
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: to deal with this issue, because it seems like it's

1596
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: not going away. It seems like we're under attack. As

1597
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: you mentioned, we are under attack and the other should

1598
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: come up. The next issue coming up. We talked about

1599
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,479
Speaker 1: d I, but now we're talking about voting rights. So

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01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 1: doctor Gamble, I want to thank you for sharing your

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01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:05,719
Speaker 1: thoughts with us this morning.

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01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 10: Oh glad to do it, and I hope people will

1603
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 10: as Commis ray they continue to organize, organize, organize, join

1604
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 10: an organization that is dedicated to the liberation of black people.

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01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 10: Thank you for the.

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01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: Opportunity, uh shay, Thank you, doctor Gamble, and thank you

1607
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts again with us. And I know

1608
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 1: we're calling on you again because this is not over yet.

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01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: This is this is not a one off. You know,

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01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 1: this this the I guess the content of the square

1611
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: off with this administration and black people. It's not going

1612
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: to end tomorrow, so we'll be calling you later on beginning. Yes,

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01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: that's right, this is it's been it's not even been

1614
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: a year yet, and look at what we've brimmed through.

1615
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 1: It seems like a long time, doesn't it.

1616
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,799
Speaker 10: That that it does, and that's an amazing thing about time

1617
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 10: and space. Therefore, we need to stay connected to our ancestors.

1618
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 10: We need to continue to deepen whatever spiritual practice that

1619
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 10: we have that's for liberation and not just to maintain

1620
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:10,879
Speaker 10: this status quote. We have been through some significantly horrible

1621
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 10: times and we'll make it through this.

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01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 14: One as well.

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01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,800
Speaker 1: All right, thank you for thank you for those the

1624
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: words as well. Family. That's our brother, doctor Brandon Gambell.

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01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: He's part of the Association of Blank Psychologists. Right now,

1626
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: we have two members of the Transformative Justice Coalition with us.

1627
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 1: We have Attorney Daryl Jones an attorney Barbara Online a

1628
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 1: welcome back to the programs.

1629
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 6: Going to be here, absolutely great to be here.

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01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 1: All right, you're part of the Transformative Justice Coalition and

1631
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: there's going to be a hearing with the Supreme Court

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01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 1: came up on Wednesday. We'll start with Barbara First, ladies, First, Barbara,

1633
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 1: What's what's the stake here in this meeting?

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01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 15: Everything everything having to do with voting rights this case.

1635
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 15: Daryl will talk more about the specifics of the case,

1636
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 15: but I want people to understand that there is a

1637
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:11,879
Speaker 15: serious move in the Supreme Court to declare the anti

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01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 15: discrimination provisions of the Voting Rights Act as unconstitutional. That

1639
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 15: they are trying to thrip and defeat lack political power,

1640
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 15: Brown political power, Native American political power, Asian American political power,

1641
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 15: and their long term objective is to destroy women's political power.

1642
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 15: I just think people need to understand that this case

1643
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:47,520
Speaker 15: that will be heard tomorrow to mote in your lifetime

1644
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:52,520
Speaker 15: under your watch, is one of the most critical cases

1645
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 15: that this Court will have heard since Brown versus Board

1646
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 15: of Education. It is we are saying to.

1647
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,799
Speaker 4: Everyone out there, we know you're not lawyers.

1648
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 15: Don't worry about that.

1649
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 4: We know that you're not you know, trained about you know,

1650
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 4: the voting rights laws.

1651
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 15: We understand that what we're saying is do what King do,

1652
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:22,679
Speaker 15: What Amelia Boys and Robinson do, what John Lewns, because

1653
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 15: none of them were lawyers, do what they did. They

1654
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,719
Speaker 15: stood up and forced the creation of the Voting rights

1655
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 15: and fought for it with everything they had for their

1656
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 15: entire lives. I want people to understand that we're saying

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01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 15: that you can stand up in this moment.

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01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 4: We want you to do the following.

1659
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 5: We want you to show up tomorrow at.

1660
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:48,719
Speaker 15: The Supreme Court at nine o'clock am in the morning.

1661
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 15: That's first and Maryland Avenue Northwest. Show up and be

1662
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 15: there with us and help us say to this court

1663
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 15: our voting rights matters. We know they're critical and we're

1664
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 15: watching you. And pray for the lawyers from the nacp's

1665
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 15: Legal Defense Fund today Nelson, who will be arguing that

1666
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 15: case and for that case for the second time, the

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01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 15: identical case for the second time. Because the LDF did

1668
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 15: so well in that first argument, the one only wanted.

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01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:26,480
Speaker 15: The Court decided not to decide the case, but instead

1670
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 15: to have a second argument, which is rare, and to

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01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 15: make sure that as part of that second argument that

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01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 15: they expanded the questions to make it encompass the entirety

1673
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 15: of Section two of the Voting Rights Act, that not

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01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 15: just the question about whether or not majority minority discs

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01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 15: are legal. So it's so important stand up, be there

1676
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 15: if you can at the court, if you can't make

1677
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 15: it to the Supreme Court, go to Bad Roots. If

1678
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 15: you're in Louisiana and joining at eight a m. Central time,

1679
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 15: join the demonstration there to say to the state legislature

1680
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 15: in Louisiana, stop drawing racist maps. And we want to

1681
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 15: say if you can't do either of those things, watch

1682
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:23,600
Speaker 15: the argument at Supreme at you at the Supreme Courts

1683
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 15: dot Gov's website. And we also want people to make

1684
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 15: sure you're educated and that you're educating others about this.

1685
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 15: So there's a lot to boot. There's a lot of

1686
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 15: resources out there to help you, and we hope that

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01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 15: you will.

1688
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 4: Join us at TJ Coalition dot org.

1689
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:46,959
Speaker 15: It's a great website, so it's in the waycp LDF

1690
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 15: dot org.

1691
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Daryl at ten after the

1692
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 1: top down, Daryl, break it down. What's your stake for

1693
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,559
Speaker 1: us here? She gave us overall, but you can get

1694
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 1: into the details what's going on here.

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01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 7: Thank you, Carl. What folks need to understand about this

1696
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 7: Crey case is this, What happens is that in twenty twenty,

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01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 7: there's a census that's done, the US census that's regularly

1698
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 7: done every ten years, and that twenty twenty census indicated

1699
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 7: that Louisiana that there have been more African Americans, more.

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01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 6: Black folks that moved down in Louisiana, to.

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01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:24,759
Speaker 7: The degree that Louisiana now is like the third most

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01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 7: populous state of African Americans five percentage, following Mississippi and Georgia. Well,

1703
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 7: because there's so many black folks that are now in Louisiana,

1704
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 7: it actually merited a second majority minority district. They currently

1705
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,640
Speaker 7: have one, but now they're deserving of two because of

1706
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 7: the population that's there. And so when it came time

1707
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 7: to draw the maps of redistricting maps as a result

1708
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 7: of the twenty twenty census, the Louisiana State legislature.

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01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 6: Decided that now we ain't giving you all a second

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01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 6: congressional district, a majority minority district.

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01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 7: We're not going to do it. You're going to have

1712
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 7: the one that you have. Be happy that you got them.

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01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,520
Speaker 7: And so they refused to do it. Well, Press Robinson

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Speaker 7: and a group of other African Americans that are down

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01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 7: in Louisiana, and Press Robinson is a you know, a

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01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 7: long time voting rights civil rights activists in Louisiana, filed

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01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 7: suit against Louisiana because of the maps that were drawn

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01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 7: that they discriminated and we're in violation a section two

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01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 7: of the Voting Rights Act that that required that there

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01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:31,560
Speaker 7: be proportional representation for it for the vote. If this

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01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 7: one didn't do it, Press Robinson won at the US

1722
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 7: District Court. The US District Court judge said, yes, you know,

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01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 7: we believe that Press Robinson and the and the other

1724
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 7: glad supposed to going to prevail on this, but it's

1725
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 7: a it's a violation of the Voting Rights Act. So

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01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 7: Louisiana State Legislature go back and redraw a second majority

1727
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:57,759
Speaker 7: minority district. Well, the Louisiana State Legislature.

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01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 6: So we're not going to do it. We don't want

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01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 6: to do it. Then to judge then.

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01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 7: Threaten if you don't do it, I'm going to draw

1731
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 7: the map. We're going to draw the map four y'alls

1732
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 7: to create this second majority minority district.

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01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 5: It was with the threat of that that.

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01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 7: The Louisiana State Assembly then went back and redrew the

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01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 7: map to add a second majority minority district. Folks would say, hooray,

1736
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 7: happy the case should be over.

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01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 6: Not so fast.

1738
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 7: There were some white folks in Louisiana that said, wait

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01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 7: a minute, Wait a minute, you're discriminating against us now

1740
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 7: with this new map that you're drawing. Because we have

1741
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 7: rights under the fourteenth and fifteenth Amenute and those equal

1742
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 7: protection claus stuff, we're not being equally protected as a

1743
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 7: result of this. And so they filed suit, and as

1744
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,080
Speaker 7: they were going, as they were filing suit, they prevailed

1745
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:50,120
Speaker 7: in Louisiana. Now the case is now up to the

1746
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 7: US Supreme Court, where the Supreme Court has to decide

1747
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 7: what to do. They have to decide if the voting

1748
01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 7: rights at Section two of the Voting Rights Act is

1749
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 7: unconstitutional or not.

1750
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 6: That's where we are right now.

1751
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 7: Interestingly, Carl, this case was before the US Supreme Court

1752
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:13,439
Speaker 7: in March of this year, twenty twenty five, arguing the

1753
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 7: issue of the constitutionality of the Voting Rights Act, and

1754
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 7: as Barbara laid out, you know, at Terny Jenay Nelson.

1755
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 5: From the Legal Defense but did a superb.

1756
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 6: Job of arguing the case. Perhaps too superb, because.

1757
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 7: The justices now have said, and what is really a

1758
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 7: very rarely heard US thing. They're setting this for a reargument,

1759
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 7: and this is the re argument that's occurring on Wednesday,

1760
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 7: And what they did was that they said, well, we're

1761
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 7: not going to just argue about Section two of the

1762
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 7: Voting Rights Act. We want to broaden this out and

1763
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:50,400
Speaker 7: we want to we're adding to areas. So the question

1764
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 7: we want to ask now is we want to hear

1765
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 7: from folks now on the attorneys Now. From is did

1766
01:44:56,680 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 7: race predominate in the drawing of the redistion? Wis whether

1767
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:07,480
Speaker 7: the creation of the second district violated the US Constitution,

1768
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,320
Speaker 7: meaning did the I did the voting right back violate

1769
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,640
Speaker 7: the US Constitution? At third, is Section two of the

1770
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 7: Voting Rights Act outdated?

1771
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 6: Because of the advancement that we've made.

1772
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 5: In America as with regards to race relations.

1773
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,880
Speaker 7: We no longer need section two. So we want you

1774
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 7: to have those three things brief and argued. And I

1775
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 7: need not tell you that the Supreme Court that we

1776
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 7: have in place right now in the United States is

1777
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 7: seen as being and as analyzed as being the most

1778
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 7: conservative the super majority justice since the nineteen thirties. So

1779
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 7: that's the reason that we're all gathering at the Supreme

1780
01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:49,879
Speaker 7: Court to say, hands off.

1781
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 6: The Voting Rights Act Section two.

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01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:55,560
Speaker 7: That's the reason that folks are gathering and that Ruse, Louisiana,

1783
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,360
Speaker 7: which is the site of the original sin in this case,

1784
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,719
Speaker 7: saying hands all Section two, hands off.

1785
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 6: Our voting rights. That's the background on this, Carl, and

1786
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 6: that's how we got to where we are today.

1787
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: All right, Hold, I've I thought right there, We've got

1788
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments. We come back,

1789
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 1: let's get into it because this is very, very important family,

1790
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: and this is why these lawyers are on the radio

1791
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 1: with us this morning. It's sixteen minutes after the top

1792
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: of the hour. As I mention, we've got to step aside.

1793
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:22,720
Speaker 1: We'll take your phone calls. You got questions about the

1794
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act, reach out to us at eight hundred

1795
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and

1796
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,719
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls. Next family, thanks for ruling

1797
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: with us on this Tuesday morning. And twenty minutes after

1798
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:34,640
Speaker 1: the top of the hour, we have two lawyers with

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01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 1: us this morning from the Transformative Justice Coalition, Daryl Jones

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01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: and Barbara Online, and they're discussing the Supreme Court hearing

1801
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 1: on voting rights. Well, let me ask you first, Barbara,

1802
01:46:45,680 --> 01:46:48,200
Speaker 1: is this the ruling when it comes down, will it

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01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 1: affect us Louisiana. Will you affect the rest of the country.

1804
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 15: It will affect every single We will affect the entire nation.

1805
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 15: Because there are currently sixty two members of the Congressional

1806
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 15: Black Caucus. There are sixty six African Americans and totalism

1807
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 15: in the foundres, but not all belong to the Congressional

1808
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:23,280
Speaker 15: Black Caucus. And of that sixty two, it is estimated

1809
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:29,080
Speaker 15: that anywhere from twenty to twenty three of those members

1810
01:47:29,120 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 15: could be impacted by this decision. If they say it

1811
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 15: is illegal, unconstitutional, they have majority the Latistics, although you

1812
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,599
Speaker 15: got the majority whiteers everywhere. But if they say it's

1813
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 15: unconstitutional to draw districts to make sure that African Americans,

1814
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 15: latinos Asians, and Native Americans can elect candidates or their choices,

1815
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:59,480
Speaker 15: they say that's unconstitutional, but that is quote reverse discrimination.

1816
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 15: Then you know immediately all these state legislations are gonna

1817
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:10,559
Speaker 15: go into special session to try to redraw those distances

1818
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 15: that are represented by people of color people. Let's not

1819
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 15: let's not get confused here. They're gonna go after any

1820
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 15: quote majority minority district and that will curtail power of

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01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 15: the SEA, It will eliminate the power with CBC. It

1822
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:34,760
Speaker 15: will kill and hurt the power, the Progressive Caucus, it

1823
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:39,880
Speaker 15: will hurt the Tricaucus. It's gonna hurt everything. Where anybody

1824
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 15: stands up, like you've seen so many stand up and

1825
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 15: say no, you can't take away our medicare No, there

1826
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:51,040
Speaker 15: should be greater gun control. Yes, there should be greater

1827
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 15: access to education. All of that will be gone. This

1828
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 15: is sweeping people.

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01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:58,600
Speaker 5: This is so important.

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01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 15: This is the most important case of the twenty first

1831
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 15: century so far, and we need to make sure that

1832
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 15: we are aware of its implications, that we understand why

1833
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 15: it is so important in this era for us to

1834
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 15: take a stance, for us to fight forward for a

1835
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:24,759
Speaker 15: real democracy. We don't have a real democracy right now.

1836
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 15: We got it, but we can't go backwards. And that's

1837
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 15: what this would be if we would take us backwards.

1838
01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 15: And I really really urge everyone to make this a

1839
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 15: study for yourself, to make this a cause for yourself

1840
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,640
Speaker 15: to become voting RICE champions once again. You can go

1841
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 15: to TJ Coalition dot org to read more about this case.

1842
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 15: You can go to nuble ACP L d L dot

1843
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 15: org to read more about this case. But more importantly,

1844
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 15: we want you on the front lines. Nothing is more

1845
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 15: important than your presence. Nothing is more important than where

1846
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:14,679
Speaker 15: you choose to be in this moment, and tomorrow at

1847
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 15: nine o'clock, you should choose if you can to be

1848
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 15: at the Supreme Court, If you can't be at the

1849
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 15: Supreme Court, be in Louisiana at the state legislature where

1850
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 15: there will be a sister demonstration, or do whatever you

1851
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:33,799
Speaker 15: can to make sure that you're listening to the argument,

1852
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 15: or that you're informing your neighbors about it, that you're

1853
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 15: keeping your eyes on this price. This is critical. There

1854
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 15: is no alternative. You must be engaged, all right.

1855
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 1: Twenty four after the Toy attorney Barbara Online attorney Derald Jones.

1856
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:56,760
Speaker 1: Let me my question for you, though, is what we

1857
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 1: know who's arguing on our side if they end up

1858
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 1: a CP legal defense front, who's arguing for for for

1859
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 1: Louisiana side. Is there any African Americans and the people

1860
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 1: that we.

1861
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:11,799
Speaker 7: Know, No, there are no African Americans that that that

1862
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 7: that I am aware of, that that's arguing on that side.

1863
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,720
Speaker 7: One of the things, Carl, that really becomes interesting though,

1864
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:20,639
Speaker 7: when you start looking at the Louisiana side, is this

1865
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 7: when Louisiana started this case out they were arguing that

1866
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 7: before the court, before the US District Court, they had

1867
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 7: argued that race, uh, you know, uh did not play

1868
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:40,480
Speaker 7: a factor and making these are uh and making these determinations.

1869
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 7: But this, you know, was was done in a compliance

1870
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 7: with the voting rights.

1871
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 6: Back, et cetera, et cetera.

1872
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 7: But but that you know, race wasn't the the you know,

1873
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 7: the overwhelming issue of what they were doing to put

1874
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:54,160
Speaker 7: it all together, when it now is before the Supreme

1875
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 7: Court and the issue now has shifted, uh, And and

1876
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 7: instead of being on the side of the creation of

1877
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:07,719
Speaker 7: the second majority minority district, they have now shifted over

1878
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 7: to the other side to say that, yeah, race was

1879
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:14,719
Speaker 7: the overwhelming issue. Well, it's interesting that they're now making

1880
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 7: the argument that race is the overwhelming issue because, you know,

1881
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 7: as I indicate a little earlier, the Supreme Court justices

1882
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 7: have now broadened out the question to say, you know.

1883
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 16: Was race the predominant issue and redrawing the redistricting lines

1884
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 16: trying to favor in the striking down of the creation

1885
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,000
Speaker 16: of the second majority minority district.

1886
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:43,280
Speaker 7: So, you know, Louisiana, you know, when we call it

1887
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 7: the site of the original Senate, it really is.

1888
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 5: The scene of original center. They're shifting all over the.

1889
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:52,719
Speaker 6: Place, all in an effort to do what Barbara just said,

1890
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 6: which is to disempower the African American and community of color.

1891
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 7: That's the impact that this case will have. It will

1892
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 7: super charge jerrymandering across the country if they strike down

1893
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:09,439
Speaker 7: Section two of the Voting Rights Act in this case.

1894
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: Book all right, twenty six At the top of Bobby's

1895
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 1: joined us from Buffalo, is a question for you guys

1896
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 1: shown line three at Grand Rise and Bobby on with

1897
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 1: Daryl Jones and Barbara online cran Rise.

1898
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 14: And I'm glad that people who are on the case.

1899
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 14: My question is this seems to be the issue of

1900
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:34,680
Speaker 14: representation and that we should fight to erase all barriers

1901
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:39,479
Speaker 14: to participation in this voting process. And to me, the

1902
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:42,520
Speaker 14: only way to do that is to have automatic voter registration.

1903
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:44,640
Speaker 14: As soon as you turn eighteen, they track you. They

1904
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:46,719
Speaker 14: know when you're born, they know when you turn eighteen.

1905
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 14: They tracked us during the draft issue, And as soon

1906
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 14: as you turn eighteen, they sent you a notice that

1907
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 14: you should automatically be able to participate in this so

1908
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 14: called participatory democracy. As soon as trying eighteen and should

1909
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 14: eliminate all barriers, whether you should have to go and

1910
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 14: register or prove this or prove that we should voter

1911
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:11,680
Speaker 14: registration as soon as you're eighteen, which was of our

1912
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:15,720
Speaker 14: greater participation in this so called participatory democracy. That was

1913
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:16,240
Speaker 14: one that was just.

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Speaker 6: Thought, s.

1915
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 15: Oh, you are singing our song. We believe one thousand percent.

1916
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 15: And automatic voter registration what's called av R. We are

1917
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:36,920
Speaker 15: proud of the states that have adopted AVR and our

1918
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:41,360
Speaker 15: automatic voter registration, and we argue for it. We also

1919
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 15: believe very strong with and what's called saying day, our

1920
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 15: election day registration, which many states have doing early voting.

1921
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 15: We believe that that should be a regular ballot, not

1922
01:54:57,200 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 15: a provisional ballot. And we believe in both of those things,

1923
01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 15: both AVR, automatic voter registration and same day voter registration.

1924
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 15: We're so happy that you called in with that question,

1925
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:17,120
Speaker 15: because most people don't realize how many people don't register

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Speaker 15: to vote because they can't figure out how to do it,

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Speaker 15: and they don't know where to go, they don't have

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Speaker 15: the time, they don't have the means. In fact, a

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Speaker 15: friend of mine working with the Pennsylvania Project in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 15: told me told all of us and are on a

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Speaker 15: call last week that she registered for women who are

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Speaker 15: over ninety years old to vote for the first.

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Speaker 4: Time in their lives.

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Speaker 15: And when people asked them why had they not registered before,

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Speaker 15: they said, nobody ever asked them automatic voter registration. It's

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Speaker 15: so critical because where it exists, you have the highest

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Speaker 15: voting participation rate. Have you remove all of these barriers?

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Speaker 15: You're so right, Just really thank you for that question.

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Speaker 7: And I may add on if I may, Carl, but

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Speaker 7: not only do we believe by it and the automatic

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Speaker 7: voter registration, but you know, I also believe that you

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Speaker 7: shouldn't lose that right to vote. You know, I don't

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Speaker 7: think that once you're automatically registered to vote, you should

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Speaker 7: never lose that right to vote. You shouldn't be wiped

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Speaker 7: off the books because you didn't vote and one or

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Speaker 7: two election cycles. You should always retain that right to

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Speaker 7: be able to walk up to an election place where

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Speaker 7: you're residing and be able to vote. That also includes

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Speaker 7: and I'll go as far to say that also includes

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Speaker 7: people that are incarcerated, but they should also have the

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Speaker 7: right to vote. You don't lose your citizenship because because

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Speaker 7: you know something that's happened. You'll find yourself is incarcerated,

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Speaker 7: you should still have the right to vote. And let

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Speaker 7: me just back up and lay out that across this

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Speaker 7: country there are only three areas, three states, two states

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Speaker 7: in the District of Columbia where you never lose your

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Speaker 7: right to vote even if you are incarcerated. So you know,

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Speaker 7: it's not something.

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Speaker 6: New that I'm saying when I say, if you're incarcerated,

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Speaker 6: you shouldn't lose the right to vote. But I don't

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Speaker 6: think that should be I think that that should be

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Speaker 6: the law across the United States, the uniformity with regards

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Speaker 6: to what's you're automatically registered to vote, that then you

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Speaker 6: never lose that right to vote.

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Speaker 15: And just one other point to your caller. Another argument

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Speaker 15: for automatic voter registration is that it takes away the

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Speaker 15: evil that we've seen in Florida, Georgia and a lot

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Speaker 15: of states where even when you register to vote, they

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Speaker 15: fail the process your voter registration in time for you

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Speaker 15: to vote. So a lot of people wait until September

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Speaker 15: and October to register, and a lot of those studies

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Speaker 15: refuse to process those voter registrations because they say, quote

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Speaker 15: they're overwhelmed. It's too late. They got too many, they

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Speaker 15: don't have enough staff, they don't have enough money. They

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Speaker 15: make all these excuses, and the courts have been allowing

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Speaker 15: them to get away with that. So automatic voter registration

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Speaker 15: would kill all of those pro problems. So we really,

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Speaker 15: really really appreciate your question.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty eight away from the top they our family,

1980
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Speaker 1: just checking in. We have two members of the Transformative

1981
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Speaker 1: Justice Coalition reacting to the hearing that's going to make

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Speaker 1: place being in the Supreme Court that would restrict our

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Speaker 1: voting privileges, if you will, and the question for me

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Speaker 1: both of you. I want to hear from both of

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Speaker 1: you on this one though, because the defense is going

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Speaker 1: to be fighting for us, because our voting rights are

1987
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Speaker 1: going to be curtailed if they prevail. It's going to

1988
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Speaker 1: be the NAAC Legal Defense Fund. Have a Democratic party,

1989
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Speaker 1: because that's where most black folks reside. Are they supporting

1990
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Speaker 1: this because it looks like if they do win, if

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Speaker 1: they do prevail'r on our way to one party country.

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Speaker 1: So first, Barbara, your thoughts, Ah, Well, you.

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Speaker 6: Know we're non partisan.

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Speaker 15: PJC is a non partisan organization, and but I will

1995
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Speaker 15: point out that this case, i'll be Solicitor General of

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Speaker 15: the United States has refound a new brief in this

1997
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 15: case in which they are supporting the State of Louisiana's

1998
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:41,040
Speaker 15: changed position and supporting these quote reverse discrimination folks, and

1999
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Speaker 15: they are arguing against against the Voting Rights Act. So

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Speaker 15: we know that the Trump administration is on the wrong side,

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01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 15: no big surprise there, but it is wrong because they

2002
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,839
Speaker 15: keep forgetting that they've got to represent all the people.

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Speaker 4: We know that Lumerius numerous at.

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Speaker 15: Least twenty plus states attorney generals have fouled a meekas

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Speaker 15: briefs supporting Louisiana in this case, and those a lot

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Speaker 15: of those are states that have significant black populations, so

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Speaker 15: they're using their black tax dollars to argue against their

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Speaker 15: own citizens. You know, people, this is just horrific what

2009
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Speaker 15: we're watching happening. And that's why we're saying, when you

2010
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 15: see injustice, what did John Lewis he say that if

2011
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Speaker 15: you see injustice, say something, do something. What he didn't

2012
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Speaker 15: say was sit back and ground, are sit back in sleep,

2013
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Speaker 15: are thick back and be you know, mad about it

2014
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Speaker 15: and do nothing. He said, say something, do something. It's

2015
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Speaker 15: time for us to do something tomorrow. Meet up at

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Speaker 15: the Supreme Court of the United States at First and

2017
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Speaker 15: Maryland Avenues for our rally and be vocal and make

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Speaker 15: sure you're educating everybody. You can write about this. Go

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Speaker 15: to TJ Coalition dot org ge get more information, go

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Speaker 15: to legal go to NAACP LDF dot org and get

2021
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Speaker 15: more information. Get involved, become educated, become an advocate. We

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Speaker 15: need you. Please see us tomorrow in the front of

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Speaker 15: the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: All right, doll your thoughts as well.

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Speaker 6: Yes, thank you, Paul.

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Speaker 7: You know, one of the things that I wouldn't be

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Speaker 7: certain that people realize is that this Roberts Court, and

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Speaker 7: John Roberts is the Chief Justice. This Roberts Court is

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Speaker 7: the most conservative court that the United States has experienced

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Speaker 7: since the nineteen thirties.

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Speaker 6: So when we're talking.

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Speaker 7: About standing up and to be accounted.

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Speaker 6: For, to stand up free to rights, this is the court.

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Speaker 6: We've got to remember that in.

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Speaker 7: Twenty thirteen issues Shelby versus Holder, which in essence shut

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Speaker 7: down preclearance for legislation that was put in that was

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Speaker 7: proposed to be put in place that would make it

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Speaker 7: more difficult for black and brown and young voters to

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Speaker 7: be able to vote. This is the same.

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Speaker 6: Court that issued what we call.

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Speaker 7: The Ruto decision Rucho versus Common Cause, which allowed for

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Speaker 7: partisan jerry mandering. Said, you know, if you say it's

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Speaker 7: because you're doing it because you're trying to strengthen your

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Speaker 7: party and not for racial reasons, that then you can

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Speaker 7: do it.

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Speaker 1: And Darryl hold that thought right there. We've got to

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Speaker 1: step as off a few minutes. I'll let you finish

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Speaker 1: your thought on that. And I having said that, what

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Speaker 1: are the prospects of you saying with this Robints Courts

2050
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Speaker 1: is ruling family? You just taking in. It's twenty four

2051
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Speaker 1: minutes away from the top day out. We have Daryl

2052
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Speaker 1: Jones and Barbara Onwe both attorneys from the Transformative Justice Coalition.

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Speaker 1: They say the Supreme Force is going to rule on

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Speaker 1: the most significant issue in our community since board of education.

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Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts? This is very very important

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight to

2057
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Speaker 1: seventy six. Cause you speak to both of our guests

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Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone call next and Grant Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for staying with us on this Tuesday morning. I

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Speaker 1: guess the members from the Transformative Justice coalition attorney Daryl Jones,

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Speaker 1: an attorney Barbara Online. They say there's a court hearing

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday morning of this most significant case since Brown

2063
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Speaker 1: versus Border of Education for us as a Black community,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna take That's what's a stake here tomorrow. So

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Speaker 1: this is why they are here this morning explaining what

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Speaker 1: to do and how we should we respond, and that

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Speaker 1: they need some help out there because they're going to

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Speaker 1: be out there in front of the Supreme Court before

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Speaker 1: we go back there and the elements remind you tomorrow. Also,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a tribute to Asadashi Corps that's

2071
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Speaker 1: going to take place in Washington, DC. Doctor Mark Lamont

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Speaker 1: Hill's coming into town from Philly and it's going to

2073
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Speaker 1: be a bus Boys and Poets. That's the one on

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Speaker 1: fourteenth and V Street and it starts at third. Also,

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Speaker 1: later this morning, we're gonna hear from Chairman Fred Hampton

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Speaker 1: chairm and Fred is going to respond to the federal

2077
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Speaker 1: guverman federalizing troops on his city streets of Chicago. And

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Speaker 1: coming up later this week, you're gonna hear We're gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, respond to the thirtieth versity of the Millium

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Speaker 1: man Marchie. Two of the architects, one Reverend Willie Wilson

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Speaker 1: from Union Temple's Church in Washington, DC. Also doctor Milana

2082
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Speaker 1: krengerin a person who created Quanta were they were where.

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Speaker 1: These were two of the first persons that Minister Farrecarunt

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Speaker 1: called when he came up with the idea. In fact,

2085
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Speaker 1: Dodtr Krenger wrote the manifesto for the Meliu Man marsh

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Speaker 1: They're going to be here as well. Also from the

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Speaker 1: University of Houston, doctor Jeryl horneld Joinis. So if you

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Speaker 1: are in Baltimore, make sure you keep you radio locked

2089
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Speaker 1: in tight on ten ten WLB or if you're the DMV,

2090
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:45,720
Speaker 1: we're on FM ninety five point nine and AM fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifteen w L. All right, Attorney Darryl Jones, why did

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Speaker 1: you finish your thought? And then Craig and DC has

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Speaker 1: a question for both of you guys.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we were talking about this Roberts that's in place

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Speaker 7: and the decisions that they've made. You know, this is

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Speaker 7: the same court they just have an out and out

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02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:07,840
Speaker 7: war on voting rights for black and brown people. It's

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Speaker 7: the same court that came up with the Shelby versus

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Speaker 7: Folded decision that made it very difficult now for make

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Speaker 7: it more difficult for African Americans and young voters and

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Speaker 7: voters of color to be able to vote. It's the

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Speaker 7: same court that came up with this Ruto decision which

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Speaker 7: allowed for partisan jerry mandarin. You can saying that you

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Speaker 7: can draw up districts that discriminates the long as for

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Speaker 7: partisan reasons, not for racial reasons.

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Speaker 6: And then it would further to say.

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Speaker 7: That it did allowed the federal courts to even review

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Speaker 7: redistricting cases that were based on partisanship.

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Speaker 5: It's the same court that you know came up with.

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Speaker 7: The Brenovitch decision saying that you can make it more

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Speaker 7: difficult for people to be able to vote as long

2113
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Speaker 7: as you give mother ways to be able to do it.

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Speaker 7: This is the court, the most conservative court of the

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Speaker 7: United States Supreme Court since the nineteen thirties. This is

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Speaker 7: the court that's going to be to this Kalay decision

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Speaker 7: regarding voting rights.

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Speaker 5: And hear us clearly.

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Speaker 6: If this court decides that Section two of the Voting

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Speaker 6: Rights Act is unconstitutional, you will stay unleashed.

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Speaker 7: A super supercharge of jerry mandering.

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Speaker 6: Across the country.

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Speaker 7: What you saw in Texas will pale in comparison to

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Speaker 7: what you're about to witness. This is an Pettis Bridge

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Speaker 7: moment for us. If you wondered what you would have done,

2126
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Speaker 7: you wondered if you would have stood with John Lewis

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Speaker 7: when you cross the Edmund Pettis Bridge, any of the

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Speaker 7: three times that Doctor King when they go this is

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Speaker 7: Pettis Bridge moment on voting right. This is it, this

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Speaker 7: is it. What you do now is what you would

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Speaker 7: have done. Then we encourage you to come and stand

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Speaker 7: with us during this moment to protect voting rights and

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Speaker 7: the advancements that have been made, and your right to

2134
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Speaker 7: vote and your right to have your voice heard throughout

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Speaker 7: Congress after stateministrative.

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Speaker 1: Right and family. If you're just thinking why it should

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Speaker 1: be concerned because you pay taxes, they decide where your

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02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:10,879
Speaker 1: money goes. This is what they do once they're elected,

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Speaker 1: and what they do they make their communities much better.

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Speaker 1: They get all the top resources and so their people,

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Speaker 1: their children get better schools, and they come up and

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Speaker 1: their cycle continues, and we're still at the bottom of

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Speaker 1: the pile because we didn't vote. We didn't. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's your money, you have a say in how it's spent.

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Speaker 1: So just let me just leave that right there. Fifteen

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Speaker 1: away from the top that, as I mentioned, Craig and

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Speaker 1: DC has a question for both of you guys. He's

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Speaker 1: online three Grand Rising Craig around with Darrell Jones and

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Speaker 1: Barbara online, and.

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Speaker 17: I wanted to ask the question about for the Republican

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Speaker 17: justices on the Court. I wanted to know if you

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Speaker 17: think they should accuse themselves in the Leto and Roberts.

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Speaker 17: They worked in the Reagan administration against the voting Rights

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Speaker 17: at I think unsuccessfully at that time, and then the

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Speaker 17: work that Kevin and Cony Bryant did on the Bush

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Speaker 17: push to get the chance going out in Florida. Somehow

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Speaker 17: it's relevant to the voting rights that I just wanted

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Speaker 17: to hear whether or not you think these individual ship

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Speaker 17: of keys themselves from this case.

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Speaker 15: Well, I would answer your question by saying that there

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Speaker 15: is a clear cabal of three of the justices that

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Speaker 15: are anti the Voting Rights Act. They're clearly anti UH

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Speaker 15: and they they exemplified that this summer when they refuse

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Speaker 15: UH to UH issue, when they refuse to go along

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Speaker 15: with issuing us stay in the Turtle Mountain ban case.

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Speaker 15: They refuse to do it, and fortunately the other six

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Speaker 15: overruled them. Uh, and we're able to outvote them. But

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Speaker 15: it just tells you that, you know, Clarence Thomas has

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Speaker 15: written repeatedly about how he doesn't believe the voting right

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Speaker 15: fact is uh uh should exist. So don't get confused.

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Speaker 15: So it's and and you know, we we believe as

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Speaker 15: the Transformative Justice Coalition in Court reform. We think all the.

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Speaker 4: Corruption that's been going on in the court.

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Speaker 15: Court, we believe, like you said, you know, some of

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Speaker 15: the issues around people who have taken partisan positions on

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Speaker 15: the voting right fact recusal normally would be what would

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Speaker 15: be required. Uh. But this court has a long history

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Speaker 15: with Cliah, with Ranquists and others of having uh you know,

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Speaker 15: people who they knew were hostile to the act. Uh,

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Speaker 15: you know, making decisions about it.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 15: I think that, you know, ultimately the answer here is

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Speaker 15: to have radical Supreme Court reform uh, and that it's

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Speaker 15: necessary to take away from members of the Court who

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Speaker 15: are biased and anti uh you know, racial justice that

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Speaker 15: power to making these decisions. But let me uh, you know,

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Speaker 15: just point out that in addition to this case, we're

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Speaker 15: extremely upset as the UH Transformative Justice Coalition, we hope

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Speaker 15: people nationwide are about the court's decision and normal versus

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Speaker 15: Va scare where they ruled that you can uh basically

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Speaker 15: have racial profiling and ice the tensions and arrest UH

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Speaker 15: saying that if you look latito, UH, if you are

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Speaker 15: speaking Spanish, if you are uh, you know, a low

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Speaker 15: wage worker, that that's grounds for suspicion to detain you,

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Speaker 15: to arrest you. I mean, that's racial profiling straight up.

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Speaker 15: And UH. And so we know this court has a major,

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Speaker 15: major problem with racial justice, and all of us need

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Speaker 15: to know that. Our answer to that is the vote.

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Speaker 15: You've got to vote on the Senate. Because the Senate

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Speaker 15: confirms whoever goes into the court. Many of those people

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Speaker 15: sitting on that court will not be there five years

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Speaker 15: from now, There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: UH.

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Speaker 15: And it's our our obligation to make sure that we

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Speaker 15: vote to put the right people in the Senate, the

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Speaker 15: right people making those decisions about who sits on that court.

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Speaker 1: All right, turn away from the top of that day,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, down.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, UH, you know, Craig, that's an excellent question

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Speaker 7: that you asked with regards tousal. And one of the

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Speaker 7: things that you know, we've got to remember and that

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Speaker 7: must be remembered, is that the Supreme Court as it

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Speaker 7: is comprised right now, over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 7: has the lowest approval rating that the Supreme Court has

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Speaker 7: ever had in the history of our country. And that

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Speaker 7: goes directly to the credibility of the decisions.

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Speaker 6: That this court makes. So when you.

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Speaker 7: Start talking about issues of justices removing themselves because of

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Speaker 7: bias perceived or otherwise within the decisions, that all goes

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Speaker 7: to the credibility of the court. It all goes to

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Speaker 7: you know, the the the the approval rating and what

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Speaker 7: you know, the the Supreme Court is not like the Presidency,

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Speaker 7: right the Presidency has at its at its at its

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Speaker 7: at disposal, at its at at its fingertips, you know,

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Speaker 7: the activation of executive orders and policing powers to be

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Speaker 7: able to enforce uh decisions that are being made. The

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Speaker 7: Supreme Court doesn't have anything to enforce it. There's no

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Speaker 7: army to no policing to enforce what the Supreme Court

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Speaker 7: decisions are. The thing that it's got to rely on

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Speaker 7: is the American people to believe and to be willing

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Speaker 7: to be under the decisions that are made because of

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Speaker 7: the appearance of impropriety of this court. So when they

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Speaker 7: don't recuse themselves and they have personal interests.

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Speaker 6: Or if there are other financial interminglings that are going

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Speaker 6: on that make cloud the judgment, the cloud the decisions,

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Speaker 6: the cloud of questionability of the impartiality of the decision,

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Speaker 6: all that becomes major for.

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Speaker 7: This US Supreme Court, particularly with the low ratings that

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Speaker 7: it has. So it's an excellent.

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Speaker 6: Question, Craig, and it does nothing, I don't believe to

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Speaker 6: increase the credibility of the court and the Court's impartiality.

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Speaker 7: In the minds of the American people.

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Speaker 6: Great questions.

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Speaker 15: And may I have one other thing, Carl to Craig's question,

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Speaker 15: which is great. I want to point out that the

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Speaker 15: lower courts are having a real issue with the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 15: including very conservative federal judges who are pointed by Bush,

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Speaker 15: who are pointed by Trump. They're very upset with this court. Uh,

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Speaker 15: and they've been speaking out more and more and more

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Speaker 15: if you've been watching them. So it's not just the

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Speaker 15: American public that's upset with some of these horrible rulings

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Speaker 15: by this court. But the lower courts are saying that

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Speaker 15: the Supreme Court's use of the emergency shadow docket without

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Speaker 15: with just you know, issuing decisions upholding uh, you know,

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Speaker 15: upholding alleged you know, constitutional violations by this Trump administration,

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Speaker 15: without issuing any rational to explain why they think racial

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Speaker 15: profiling is okay, are anything else that they've done. The

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Speaker 15: federal judges are saying that's Rome and they're concerned about

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Speaker 15: this court. They think that something's wrong with this court.

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Speaker 15: So I think that Darryl's point is very very well taken.

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Speaker 1: All right, shamming away from the top of the our family.

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Speaker 1: I just got a tweet here from one of our

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Speaker 1: listeners in Louisiana. The twitter goes on and say said,

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Speaker 1: I just want your guests to know that most of

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Speaker 1: the major players in the Supreme Court case are from

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Speaker 1: my home era of Lafayette. You have Kevin Roberts, president

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Speaker 1: of the Heritage Foundation, who's an architect of Project twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. You've got the Governor Jeff Landry, You've got

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General Liz Morrell, and you've got the Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State Nancy Landry. Off my home era of Lafayette, Louisiana.

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Speaker 1: These people who pretend to be friendly, so called raging Cajuns,

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Speaker 1: are the most racist people that walk the planet Earth.

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Speaker 1: They just wanted to I used to know that.

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Speaker 15: Well, Daryl has an answer to that. Darryl, tell her

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Speaker 15: what tell that person what they can do?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, absolutely, Barbara.

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Speaker 7: You know what we encourage that person to do is

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Speaker 7: to join Louisiana when they go over to that rouge

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Speaker 7: tomorrow at eight am Central time to surround the Legislative.

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Speaker 6: State House there. And what they're going to do is

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Speaker 6: the New National Christian Leadership Movement is going to be

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Speaker 6: there along with the Legal Women Voters, the NAACP, and

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Speaker 6: several other groups, and they're.

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Speaker 7: Going to do a day of prayer and they're going

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Speaker 7: to pray over.

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Speaker 6: That what we call the site of the sin where

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Speaker 6: this case is coming from, the clay.

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Speaker 7: Case coming out of. You know, they need to be

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Speaker 7: on the ground, folks. The whole thing is this. This

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Speaker 7: is an inside out strategy. It's what we've been using

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Speaker 7: in civil rights movement as far back as.

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Speaker 3: We can go.

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Speaker 6: And what we mean by that is inside is that

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Speaker 6: side the courtroom where Janae Nelson and the legal.

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Speaker 7: Defense final will be arguing, you know, and we have

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Speaker 7: no question that Jenny's going to do an excellent job

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Speaker 7: again presenting before the Justice justices inside the courtroom. What

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Speaker 7: the other part is is the outside of it. We've

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Speaker 7: got to be outside the courtroom, in the streets, in

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Speaker 7: the areas, letting people know what's happening, letting the justices

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Speaker 7: know that we are aware, we are awake. We are awoke,

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Speaker 7: I guess awoke.

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Speaker 6: To what's happening in.

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Speaker 7: That courtroom, and we're not standing idly by.

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Speaker 6: We are aware of what's going on. And we've got

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Speaker 6: to be certain that.

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Speaker 7: We're there surrounding the site of the sin at the

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Speaker 7: Louisiana State House as well as being at the US

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Speaker 7: Supreme Court where the case is being litigated.

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Speaker 6: But this is that moment, and we.

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Speaker 7: Need to be out there, very very glad that that

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Speaker 7: the individual texted end to let us.

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Speaker 6: Know about all the evil that's going on in Louisiana.

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Speaker 6: But we know, and I apologize, I know everyone's not

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Speaker 6: necessarily faith or a Christian, but we're going to praise

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Speaker 6: this out and we're going to and walk it out

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Speaker 6: and work it out and vote it out all right.

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Speaker 1: Hold, I thought right there. Hold, I thought right there, Barbara,

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Speaker 1: we got to step aside for a few minutes. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you respond to that. On the other side, it's

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Speaker 1: four minutes away from the top day. Our family. We've

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Speaker 1: got to step away so our stations can identify themselves

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Speaker 1: down the line per the FCC. You want to join

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Speaker 1: this conversation though, with attorney Daryl Jones and Barbara Onwine.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy sixty. We'll take all your phone calls

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Speaker 1: next I see family, Thanks for staying with us. On

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Speaker 1: this Tuesday morning, we have two members of the Transformative

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Speaker 1: Justice Coalition. They're sounding the alarm. It's a big hearing

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Speaker 1: they're going to take place at the Supreme Court on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday morning. They say it's the most impactful hearing since

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Speaker 1: Brown versus bor Brown versus Board of Education. So this

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Speaker 1: is a big here and that's going to take place.

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Speaker 1: It's going to impact our rights to vote, or kurtail

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Speaker 1: our voting rights, if you will. So we have Darryl

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Speaker 1: Jones and we have a Barbara online and both lawyers

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Speaker 1: and I think Barbara wanted to say something before we

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Speaker 1: left for the break. So, Barbara, why didn't you finish

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Speaker 1: your thought?

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Speaker 15: Yes, you know, I'm you know, I was just you know,

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Speaker 15: talking about what's going on, you know, with the lower courts.

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Speaker 15: But I was also wanting to point out to everyone.

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Speaker 15: You mentioned the Assada Secure observance. Everyone, when we talk

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Speaker 15: about you joining us at the court, I want to

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Speaker 15: remind you of her very famous quote. She in fact,

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Speaker 15: it is a mantra many people recited, but she says,

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Speaker 15: it is our duty to fight for our freedom. It

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Speaker 15: is our duty to win. I want everyone to remember

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Speaker 15: that that to fight for our freedom doesn't mean to

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Speaker 15: be passive. It means that you are aggressively out there.

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Speaker 15: So I just want to urge everyone again to meet

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Speaker 15: us at the Supreme Court tomorrow morning nine o'clock and

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Speaker 15: to be with us until eleven, uh, you know, around

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Speaker 15: eleven thirty when the argument will be over. Let's you'll clap,

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Speaker 15: or lets you'll be out there and class for our

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Speaker 15: great legal champions who will be arguing this case tomorrow, all.

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Speaker 1: Right after the top down. What's going to happen tomorrow

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02:20:39,440 --> 02:20:41,520
Speaker 1: We're going to have a decision or they're just going

2359
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Speaker 1: to hear arguments from both sides and take it on

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Speaker 1: a submission. How does this work?

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Speaker 7: Great?

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Speaker 6: Thank you for that question.

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Speaker 7: Precisely what's going to happen is that the arguments will

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Speaker 7: be made tomorrow. The decision will not be made tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: It is important for that reason that you know tomorrow

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Speaker 7: we need to be out in front of the Supreme

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Speaker 7: Court to let everyone know, to let the justices know,

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Speaker 7: but let the country know that we are aware and

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Speaker 7: alert as to.

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Speaker 5: What's going on and the importance of what's going on.

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Speaker 6: I also want to.

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Speaker 7: Lift up, as I may Carl, that if you can't

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Speaker 7: attend in person at either the Louisiana State House or

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Speaker 7: at the US Supreme Court, you can also watch the

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Speaker 7: preceding the arguments at the Supreme Court dot org. Supreme

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02:21:26,680 --> 02:21:29,760
Speaker 7: Court dot org. You can watch the arguments. Why is

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02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:34,720
Speaker 7: that important? It's important because the justices, clerks and the

2378
02:21:34,879 --> 02:21:38,800
Speaker 7: staff they go back and they report on how widely

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02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:43,959
Speaker 7: watched this is, how widely important, how important is this

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02:21:44,040 --> 02:21:45,760
Speaker 7: to the folks across the country.

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Speaker 5: So we need.

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Speaker 7: People to be on. If you can't make it in person,

2383
02:21:49,320 --> 02:21:51,200
Speaker 7: to watch the arguments on the.

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court dot org.

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02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:59,520
Speaker 7: The naacp LDF dot org website will also be caring

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Speaker 7: that they have a A A A live thing that

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Speaker 7: they do from there where you can you can watch it,

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Speaker 7: watch the rally AT's occurring. I believe they have had

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02:22:09,160 --> 02:22:11,440
Speaker 7: it on their website as well, but you definitely want

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Speaker 7: to be in the place one way or the other.

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Speaker 15: Barbara, Yes, and it's Supreme Court dot gov, Supreme Court

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Speaker 15: dot g o v. Where you can watch the argument tomorrow.

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Speaker 15: I just wanted to make sure it was everyone heard

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02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:33,640
Speaker 15: that dot gov. That is so important. You know, no

2395
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:36,080
Speaker 15: matter what you do. If you are in a church,

2396
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:39,879
Speaker 15: get to the pulpit and talk about this. If you're

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02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:44,440
Speaker 15: you know, during your breaks, during lunch at work, talk

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02:22:44,520 --> 02:22:48,959
Speaker 15: about it doing your uh, you know, during the time

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Speaker 15: that you're with your Divine nine frat sorority, during the

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02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:58,640
Speaker 15: time that you are talking to your friends your only Internet.

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02:22:59,240 --> 02:23:04,560
Speaker 15: Please educate yourself about this case and get involved. You know,

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Speaker 15: I just want to point out Carl. The beginning October

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Speaker 15: the twenty fifth through November fourth, the Transformative Justice Coalition

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Speaker 15: and our partners will conduct a non partisan get out

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02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:29,080
Speaker 15: the vote tour of New Jersey. We will be going

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02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:36,840
Speaker 15: to at least fourteen major you know, cities, townships, universities, etc.

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02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:45,480
Speaker 15: To urge voter participation because ultimately, democracy means nothing if

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02:23:45,520 --> 02:23:48,800
Speaker 15: you're not involved and engaged in it. So we want

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02:23:48,840 --> 02:23:52,440
Speaker 15: to make sure that voters are turning out for all

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Speaker 15: of these elections around the country, in Georgia, in Texas,

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02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:05,920
Speaker 15: and Virginia, Wisconsin, in Pennsylvania, all where there are voting happening.

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02:24:06,360 --> 02:24:09,800
Speaker 15: You should be planning now to make sure that you're

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02:24:09,800 --> 02:24:12,879
Speaker 15: going to vote this year. I'm not about next year

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02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:15,080
Speaker 15: because we need you next year, but we need you

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02:24:15,240 --> 02:24:19,880
Speaker 15: this year. Also, you'll never allow a voting opportunity to

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02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:25,240
Speaker 15: pass you by vote every single time. And we will

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02:24:25,320 --> 02:24:29,160
Speaker 15: be in New Jersey saying, hey, Jersey, let's vote, and

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02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:32,680
Speaker 15: we're going to be traveling the entire state to make

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02:24:32,720 --> 02:24:36,360
Speaker 15: sure that we're helping people to get rise to the polls,

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Speaker 15: helping people to know it's time to vote during early voting,

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Speaker 15: and making sure that once again we're using this political

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02:24:44,520 --> 02:24:46,959
Speaker 15: power to determine our futures.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly that tough family. If those are two key

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02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:53,400
Speaker 1: races that you mentioned, two goubatorial races in Jersey and

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02:24:53,440 --> 02:24:55,760
Speaker 1: in Virginia, Asuella those are the ones people are going

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02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:57,720
Speaker 1: to be watching. But I've got a tweet for you

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02:24:58,879 --> 02:25:01,199
Speaker 1: guys from one of our since please ask your guests

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02:25:01,240 --> 02:25:04,320
Speaker 1: to convey how important this measure is because it can

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Speaker 1: change the landscape of our voting rights. They say. The

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02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:09,720
Speaker 1: tweet goes on to say they need to ring the

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02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:11,959
Speaker 1: bell and call all of their friends and take the

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Speaker 1: situation very very seriously.

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Speaker 15: Amen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, they said it better than we could

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02:25:20,120 --> 02:25:20,400
Speaker 6: say it.

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Speaker 5: You know we talk about Amen, four or five alarm fires. Well,

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02:25:24,480 --> 02:25:28,200
Speaker 5: this is an all alarm emergency on voting rights, and

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02:25:28,360 --> 02:25:30,800
Speaker 5: we've got to be certain that we answer the call.

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02:25:30,920 --> 02:25:33,440
Speaker 5: I mean, the bell is ringing, and we need to

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02:25:33,480 --> 02:25:37,480
Speaker 5: show up and be certain that we tell everybody in our.

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Speaker 7: Households and our neighborhoods and our communities and elsewhere to

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Speaker 7: show up because this is that time.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: You know, folks always say this is the most important.

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Speaker 5: Case, or this is the most important election, folks.

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02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:52,040
Speaker 7: For voting rights. This is it because if the Kalay

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02:25:52,120 --> 02:25:55,000
Speaker 7: case takes down the voting Section two of the Voting

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Speaker 7: Rights back, it's going to be you know, Carl, You've

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02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:00,640
Speaker 7: heard me say it, and I'll say and say it

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02:26:00,680 --> 02:26:03,800
Speaker 7: and say it again. It is going to supercharge Jerry

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02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:07,959
Speaker 7: Nndering to get black members of Congress and other blacks

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02:26:08,040 --> 02:26:10,800
Speaker 7: out of the elected positions. They're going to read district

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02:26:11,320 --> 02:26:15,800
Speaker 7: draw them out. That's what happens. If this Kalay case

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02:26:15,879 --> 02:26:18,640
Speaker 7: goes the wrong way, it's time to show up. I can't,

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Speaker 7: I can't express it the more. Thank you so much

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02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:22,279
Speaker 7: for for that message.

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Speaker 15: And you know, if people listen, if you love Jasmine Krockett,

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02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:37,160
Speaker 15: if you love Ayana Pressley, if you love Maxe Waters,

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02:26:37,320 --> 02:26:41,880
Speaker 15: if you like Kakeen Jeffries, if you love you know

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02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:46,760
Speaker 15: all of these Emmanuel Cleaver, if you love you know,

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02:26:46,920 --> 02:26:52,279
Speaker 15: all of these amazing members of the Congressional Black Caucus,

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02:26:52,760 --> 02:26:55,879
Speaker 15: then you ought to be concerned because that's who they're targeting.

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Speaker 15: That's who they are trying to get rid of in

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Speaker 15: this decision. That's those are the districts. And beyond those

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Speaker 15: districts that they are targeting. They don't wante the voices

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Speaker 15: that you count on. All of you who were at

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Speaker 15: CBC two weeks ago, you know, you were at the

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Speaker 15: Congressional Black Caucus Annual Legislative Caucus, you know conference, and

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02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:24,879
Speaker 15: this is what's at stake. You think they's gonna be

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Speaker 15: a major gathering again if this case is able to

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Speaker 15: dismantle existing districts. Folks, we need you on the front

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Speaker 15: line of this battle right now.

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Speaker 1: And the question I was going to ask you, because

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Speaker 1: they're they're the ones who are vulnerable more than anyone

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Speaker 1: because their slots will be probably be replaced. But if

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Speaker 1: they founded an amicas brief on this, if they or

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Speaker 1: anybody you know other than the NAACP Legal Defense.

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Speaker 15: Fund, no, they were Amica spring fouled. But you got

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02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:07,000
Speaker 15: to remember what they did here was really bad because

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Speaker 15: not only did they reschedule the argument, but they did

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Speaker 15: it on what's called an expedited schedule. That means, folks,

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02:28:15,879 --> 02:28:20,959
Speaker 15: they compressed the normal rules the normal times, which makes

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Speaker 15: it hard for people to get in Amika's breach. They've

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Speaker 15: been doing that a lot. They've been shortening the time

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Speaker 15: of So not only did they give them, they in fact,

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Speaker 15: they scheduled this argument with so little time. People were

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Speaker 15: shocked that they said that this argument would be on

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Speaker 15: October fifteenth and they could change the questions only a

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Speaker 15: lot earlier. That is so unusual. People don't understand how

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Speaker 15: unusual it is for the court to just, you know,

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Speaker 15: just really compress everything. So I don't blame entities that

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Speaker 15: weren't able to do briefing because it was extremely hard,

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Speaker 15: but there weren't some great briefs found in this case.

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Speaker 1: Good to hear that. I got another tweet question to you,

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02:29:12,200 --> 02:29:14,120
Speaker 1: says grand Rise, and how do we get info on

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02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:19,680
Speaker 1: this case from the the NAACP Legal Defense website. What

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02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:21,959
Speaker 1: do we type into the search bar and what is

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02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the case search subject A title and or case numbers?

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Speaker 15: Well, well, I can tell people if they typed in

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Speaker 15: PJ Coalition dot orgin. We have a rotational bar at

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02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:43,280
Speaker 15: the very top of our website and you're going to

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02:29:43,440 --> 02:29:46,879
Speaker 15: see it come up, and it's going to say a

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02:29:47,080 --> 02:29:50,360
Speaker 15: voting rights case, and you're going to be able to

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02:29:50,720 --> 02:29:51,280
Speaker 15: learn more.

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02:29:51,360 --> 02:29:52,160
Speaker 5: You're gonna be able to.

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Speaker 15: Click there, and not only are you going to find

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02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:58,960
Speaker 15: written resources, you've got to find an incredibly beautiful video

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02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:04,360
Speaker 15: that Toorney Daryl Jones prepared. If you go and you

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Speaker 15: put into your search bar N double ACP, L d

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Speaker 15: F dot O r G. When you go to that website,

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Speaker 15: the first thing on the website is this Kalay case.

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02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:26,279
Speaker 15: It's prominently displayed and you're you're not gonna miss it.

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02:30:26,280 --> 02:30:29,240
Speaker 15: It's right there at the very top, and you can

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02:30:29,320 --> 02:30:33,760
Speaker 15: click on it, and there's a lot of resources, including

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02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:37,840
Speaker 15: an entire tool tip, and you can find out so much.

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02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:43,039
Speaker 15: So this is not a situation where you are then

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02:30:43,080 --> 02:30:47,840
Speaker 15: denied that information. There's some very good information out there that.

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Speaker 1: Support all right, Chairman Fred zoon Deck Before we go

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Speaker 1: to the chairman, though, Darryl, about what time do we

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Speaker 1: know the decision? You know, because we don't know how

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02:30:56,600 --> 02:31:00,360
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court works. They're gonna hear hearings today. At

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Speaker 1: some point they're going to make a decision. Do we

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Speaker 1: have any idea when that decision is going to be rendered.

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Speaker 7: We really don't have an idea when the decision is

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02:31:08,120 --> 02:31:08,959
Speaker 7: going to be rendered.

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Speaker 6: And remember a little argument a little earlier.

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Speaker 7: We were indicating that there had originally an argument that

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Speaker 7: was made in March of this year. We were waiting

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02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:19,760
Speaker 7: on the decision when they came back and said, well,

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Speaker 7: you know what, we're going to supplement this. We're asking

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Speaker 7: three more questions and we want the breathing and the

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Speaker 7: re argument to expand. So we don't have an.

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Speaker 6: Exact time as when as to when that decision will

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Speaker 6: be made.

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Speaker 7: You know, we hope were hoples that you know, it

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Speaker 7: might be by the at the end of this term,

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Speaker 7: but we don't know. We really don't know when that

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Speaker 7: decision will be rendered by the court.

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Speaker 15: All right cause and because of the twenty twenty sixth

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Speaker 15: election and the per sale rule and other realities, they

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02:31:58,120 --> 02:32:01,160
Speaker 15: really do need to make a decision, and you know,

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Speaker 15: sooner than later. So I just want to point that out.

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Speaker 15: They can't drag it all the way to the end

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Speaker 15: of the term. Uh, if you're going if there's going

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02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:14,720
Speaker 15: to be a change in the congressional lines, but if

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Speaker 15: and people need to know that the existing lines are

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Speaker 15: being affirmed. So the Court can't just sit on this

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Speaker 15: case forever. It does have other major voting rights cases

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Speaker 15: of significance also challenging the Voting Rights Act. So it

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Speaker 15: may be if they try to issue all these decisions together,

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02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:39,960
Speaker 15: but they haven't even scheduled argument and some of those

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Speaker 15: other cases got.

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Speaker 1: You So before I let you go tomorrow, what time

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02:32:44,240 --> 02:32:49,120
Speaker 1: should we gather there, Darryl or Barbara? What time tomorrow

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Speaker 1: and where exactly in the.

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Speaker 7: Nine o'clock Eastern time tomorrow in Washington? D c at

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Speaker 7: the steps of the US Supreme Court. We will be there.

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Speaker 7: Urge everyone to come on out and.

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Speaker 6: Join us, and we'll be there, and many.

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Speaker 7: Of our partners will be there as well, Black Voters

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Speaker 7: matters and bringing buses up, so they're going to be there.

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Speaker 7: We need folks to show up at nine o'clock tomorrow

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Speaker 7: at the US Supreme Court at if you're in Louisiana

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Speaker 7: eight am at the Louisiana State House. Our friends with

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Speaker 7: the New National Christian Leadership Movement along with Leave of

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Speaker 7: Women Voters as well as the NAACP and many of

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Speaker 7: the churches down in Louisiana will be there as well.

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Speaker 1: And Barbara, you do you have a program on wol

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Speaker 1: I know you're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 15: What time is your show and when our show is

2571
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Speaker 15: today at twelve o'clock and it's all about this case.

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Speaker 15: And for people who want more information, just tune back

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Speaker 15: in here to wl dcnews dot com. Tune right back

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Speaker 15: in at twelve o'clock because Eastern time, because we got

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Speaker 15: a good show we have on tap for you to

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02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:06,400
Speaker 15: talk more about this with some with more people, more experts.

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Speaker 15: It should be excellent.

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Speaker 5: It's not just for lawyers.

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02:34:09,959 --> 02:34:12,600
Speaker 15: It's for everyone who needs and wants to know.

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Speaker 1: All right, real quickly, because we're come up on a break.

2581
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Speaker 1: A person went to the NBA speed website. The link's

2582
02:34:19,440 --> 02:34:21,720
Speaker 1: not working. So what is your website that can go

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02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:22,600
Speaker 1: to give information?

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Speaker 15: TJ Coalition dot org that they because I was just

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Speaker 15: in the NAACP website, tell them to put in n

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Speaker 15: A ah. Let me do this n A A CP

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Speaker 15: L d F dot O rg uh and it comes

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Speaker 15: up and I just put it in and it came

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Speaker 15: straight up there.

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Speaker 1: It is okay, good, all right. We're gonna let you

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02:34:57,000 --> 02:34:58,960
Speaker 1: guys go, but we'll keep an eye on what happens

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Speaker 1: tomorrow and as it rolls out as well. Thank you

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02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:04,960
Speaker 1: again for ringing the alarm. Attorney Darryl Jones an attorney

2594
02:35:04,959 --> 02:35:07,600
Speaker 1: Barbara Onwine, thank you, Thank you for sharing this information

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for having everyone out there to you in

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02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:16,000
Speaker 6: DC peace, everybody, anybody.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen half the top there are. We got to take

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Speaker 1: a show break. We come back, chair and Fred Hampton's

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Speaker 1: going to join us, and you would like to speak

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02:35:19,879 --> 02:35:21,720
Speaker 1: to the chairman. Reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

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Speaker 1: your phone calls next and grand Rising family, thanks for

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Speaker 1: rolling with us on this Tuesday morning. Right now we're

2605
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Speaker 1: going to speak with Chairman Fred Hampton, Chairm and Fred

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Speaker 1: grand Rising, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 6: Grand Rids are right. Black at you, my brother, always

2608
02:35:37,360 --> 02:35:39,080
Speaker 6: good to be black. Be back with you and be

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Speaker 6: black with you, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Chairm and Fred. As you know, I got to

2611
02:35:42,360 --> 02:35:46,440
Speaker 1: ask you this. The Trump administration is threatening to federalize

2612
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Speaker 1: the National Guard again, national Guard members from Texas of

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02:35:49,280 --> 02:35:54,359
Speaker 1: all places, and to patrol the streets of of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: That's where your office is. Your response to that, well.

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Speaker 6: Bring up to speak all. I've been brought abreast up

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02:36:02,440 --> 02:36:05,400
Speaker 6: to the latest. The latest is that they have been

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02:36:05,440 --> 02:36:10,240
Speaker 6: actually some and some last regard textas have been deployed

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Speaker 6: in some of the surrounding suburbs of Cargo's and the courts.

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02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:17,680
Speaker 6: The courts have said, I think there's been the debate

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02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:21,800
Speaker 6: back and forth. They're technical technically replaced in the coming

2621
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:24,800
Speaker 6: to Chicago, but other long other agencies of the state,

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02:36:24,840 --> 02:36:28,720
Speaker 6: you know, said ice and others, they've been uh, heavy,

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02:36:28,879 --> 02:36:31,960
Speaker 6: heavy heavy President of Chicago. But just just in just

2624
02:36:32,040 --> 02:36:35,800
Speaker 6: in a basic response, you know, the as as the

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02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:37,960
Speaker 6: old saying, go stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready.

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02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:42,040
Speaker 6: You know, I think we should struggle to normalize our

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02:36:42,480 --> 02:36:45,520
Speaker 6: I'm tying the black community particular on speaking, but just

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02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:49,120
Speaker 6: colleageize people general that even though capitalism is similar to

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02:36:49,160 --> 02:36:51,560
Speaker 6: coronavirus he goes to you know, sometimes it's dorm and

2630
02:36:51,680 --> 02:36:54,000
Speaker 6: sometimes it gets more tests. But we should just say

2631
02:36:54,680 --> 02:36:57,280
Speaker 6: when you recognize, you to colonize people that and uh,

2632
02:36:57,360 --> 02:36:59,640
Speaker 6: it's minus judi pus an occupying army, you know, so

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02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:03,400
Speaker 6: we should you're saying, we should always your saying, recognize

2634
02:37:03,440 --> 02:37:05,920
Speaker 6: that that that and not to see it when it

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02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:08,199
Speaker 6: gets you know, when when the state itself blatantly says

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02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:11,280
Speaker 6: they're going to deploy a certain entity. But we should normally, uh,

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02:37:11,560 --> 02:37:14,040
Speaker 6: you know, recognize that that that that that's been a

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02:37:14,120 --> 02:37:16,120
Speaker 6: consistent war ways, you know what I'm saying on our

2639
02:37:16,120 --> 02:37:19,520
Speaker 6: people in particular, and again, stay ready, you ain't gonna

2640
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:19,920
Speaker 6: get ready.

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Speaker 1: Should we be concerned that is this our fight? Or

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02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:25,120
Speaker 1: should we just ignore what's going on?

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02:37:27,560 --> 02:37:31,800
Speaker 6: Well, so one of our sayings, here's subjectivity stunts one's

2644
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:35,279
Speaker 6: ability to make proper submations. Again, subjectivity stunts one's ability

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02:37:35,320 --> 02:37:39,560
Speaker 6: to make proper submations. In other words, we know no

2646
02:37:39,640 --> 02:37:41,520
Speaker 6: one but you know, our people in particular. We can

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02:37:41,560 --> 02:37:45,080
Speaker 6: never afford the luxury to have a tunnel vision or

2648
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:48,200
Speaker 6: just uh, let's let's look at a situation like that.

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02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:50,840
Speaker 6: There's some sort of linear and everything from the weather

2650
02:37:51,320 --> 02:37:54,920
Speaker 6: to you know what what you know, what's what's fashion

2651
02:37:55,040 --> 02:37:57,080
Speaker 6: is happening impacts us. But in particular, you know what

2652
02:37:57,080 --> 02:37:59,199
Speaker 6: I'm saying, it's not telling you talking about different laws whatever,

2653
02:37:59,720 --> 02:38:01,640
Speaker 6: every his I mean everything you're talking about like you know,

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02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:03,720
Speaker 6: with the gun laws, I said, a typically you can

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02:38:04,040 --> 02:38:06,560
Speaker 6: you can historically connected to certain laws that come down

2656
02:38:08,160 --> 02:38:10,440
Speaker 6: in response to some dynamic that was happening with African

2657
02:38:10,520 --> 02:38:14,640
Speaker 6: people in particular, some responsible So we can never afford

2658
02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:17,240
Speaker 6: the luxious this. Okay, say well, this is a new law,

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02:38:17,400 --> 02:38:19,480
Speaker 6: this is a new dynamic happening in the world. And

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02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:22,680
Speaker 6: that's something that has in many cases we've been to

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02:38:22,800 --> 02:38:24,960
Speaker 6: the black community or we we we're the prived of

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02:38:25,320 --> 02:38:27,520
Speaker 6: of an acknowledged war with our people. That you know

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02:38:27,640 --> 02:38:30,360
Speaker 6: something the other other you have you have terms like

2664
02:38:30,440 --> 02:38:33,720
Speaker 6: propaganda bombs, you have terms like occupying hard army. You

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02:38:33,800 --> 02:38:36,080
Speaker 6: have turns like political prisoners and other communities and other

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02:38:36,120 --> 02:38:38,760
Speaker 6: parts about the world. Uh, lots of it becomes so

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02:38:38,959 --> 02:38:42,160
Speaker 6: normalized in our community. That has been happening. Some people say, well,

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02:38:42,879 --> 02:38:44,360
Speaker 6: you know, with the black we want to be next.

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02:38:44,400 --> 02:38:45,800
Speaker 6: And I said, I beg the difference. You know what

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02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:48,400
Speaker 6: I'm saying, not next, but it's it's been the modus

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02:38:48,440 --> 02:38:51,600
Speaker 6: opering date historical with our people. You know. Uh, there's

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02:38:51,840 --> 02:38:56,600
Speaker 6: discussions about uh, well, vast members of various communities that

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02:38:56,600 --> 02:38:58,120
Speaker 6: have been just swept up and never heard and they

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02:38:58,160 --> 02:39:00,640
Speaker 6: even heard back from them and brought back. In nineteen

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02:39:00,680 --> 02:39:04,240
Speaker 6: ninety six under the Auso season of long Gangs of

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02:39:04,280 --> 02:39:07,040
Speaker 6: particular the GDS didn't know its gangs disciples later to

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02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:09,520
Speaker 6: become the growth of development. There were mass sweeps in

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02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:12,480
Speaker 6: Chicago that people who to this day have not been

2679
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:15,480
Speaker 6: seen yet. So those a lot of you know, a

2680
02:39:15,480 --> 02:39:19,760
Speaker 6: lot of these that have a political term applied to him. Now,

2681
02:39:20,360 --> 02:39:21,760
Speaker 6: this is not that is not a game. There have

2682
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:24,600
Speaker 6: been happening. We should always be struggling to be objective

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02:39:24,840 --> 02:39:28,560
Speaker 6: and not be limited by any colonial borders. And you know,

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02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:31,360
Speaker 6: I'm saying, uh, in the raised dynamics, we have to

2685
02:39:31,480 --> 02:39:34,560
Speaker 6: we have to recognize getting everything it's political not recognized.

2686
02:39:34,600 --> 02:39:37,640
Speaker 6: We cannot just talk about the partisan electoral politics. But

2687
02:39:38,040 --> 02:39:40,520
Speaker 6: words turns fast, even if it's not blatantly said. But

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02:39:40,959 --> 02:39:44,039
Speaker 6: that nothing, nothing goes goes down in this country, particularly

2689
02:39:44,200 --> 02:39:45,320
Speaker 6: does not impact our people.

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Speaker 1: Right twenty five at the top, they our family just

2691
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:50,080
Speaker 1: checking in. Our guess is Chairman Fred Hampton out of

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Speaker 1: Chicago and chairman is actually in Washington, DC this morning

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02:39:53,120 --> 02:39:55,400
Speaker 1: as we speak for a rally. Chairman, can you tell

2694
02:39:55,480 --> 02:39:56,880
Speaker 1: us about the rally that that you're going to be

2695
02:39:56,920 --> 02:39:57,879
Speaker 1: attending today?

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02:39:58,600 --> 02:40:03,200
Speaker 6: Yes, indeed, uh no, no time in d C at

2697
02:40:03,240 --> 02:40:08,760
Speaker 6: the mall. Some of my fellow partners that fighting fighting

2698
02:40:08,800 --> 02:40:16,160
Speaker 6: against crime au uh uh Beyonca Auston, the Auntie Breonna Taylor.

2699
02:40:17,080 --> 02:40:21,199
Speaker 6: Also Jacob Blake, the father of the father Jacob Jacob

2700
02:40:21,200 --> 02:40:26,560
Speaker 6: Blake Jr. Who was shot uh seven times in Milwaukee

2701
02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:31,720
Speaker 6: and represented from George Floyd's family also said also, uh,

2702
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:34,360
Speaker 6: this is Honord George Floyd's birthday. They think he's been

2703
02:40:34,440 --> 02:40:37,360
Speaker 6: fifty fifty two years old. Had not you know, said

2704
02:40:37,400 --> 02:40:39,680
Speaker 6: we've been murdering and and we should never forget that

2705
02:40:39,760 --> 02:40:44,720
Speaker 6: the picture that depiction chauving that shover this nell like

2706
02:40:44,800 --> 02:40:47,720
Speaker 6: literally literally I was telling me that a term they get,

2707
02:40:47,720 --> 02:40:49,560
Speaker 6: they get our knee on our neck, but that that

2708
02:40:49,720 --> 02:40:51,920
Speaker 6: that that visual. We should never forget what happened to

2709
02:40:51,959 --> 02:40:55,360
Speaker 6: George Floyd. And so we'll be not just talking about

2710
02:40:55,360 --> 02:40:58,040
Speaker 6: his birthday, but just putting in context the dynamic of

2711
02:40:58,760 --> 02:41:01,600
Speaker 6: not police brutality, the post these terrorism. Uh that you

2712
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:04,240
Speaker 6: know that black people, particularly in college people and generat

2713
02:41:04,800 --> 02:41:08,240
Speaker 6: general have vestad too, and not not bigger business or

2714
02:41:08,360 --> 02:41:10,600
Speaker 6: the abstract dynamic because a lot of times we have

2715
02:41:10,680 --> 02:41:14,560
Speaker 6: a reactionary assessment of history. In other words, Uh, we

2716
02:41:14,800 --> 02:41:16,600
Speaker 6: we had these moments with you know, saying our high

2717
02:41:16,680 --> 02:41:18,800
Speaker 6: moments said okay, well we recognize it, but this has

2718
02:41:18,840 --> 02:41:22,240
Speaker 6: to be continuously continued narrative and not in the doing

2719
02:41:22,280 --> 02:41:25,080
Speaker 6: in gloom sort of way, but just acknowledging. So uh,

2720
02:41:25,640 --> 02:41:28,640
Speaker 6: passing down the generation of generation. They said, Nazi Germany,

2721
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:30,920
Speaker 6: if if you don't tell your children about what that

2722
02:41:30,959 --> 02:41:33,200
Speaker 6: would happened with the gas chambwich in the Holocaust, they

2723
02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:36,600
Speaker 6: considered that you. They said that you you're committing child abuse.

2724
02:41:36,920 --> 02:41:38,520
Speaker 6: So this should be a conversation that we have in

2725
02:41:38,600 --> 02:41:42,240
Speaker 6: our our poor ifew says, our barbershops, our mosque, our churches,

2726
02:41:42,360 --> 02:41:44,920
Speaker 6: on a continuous basis, and not just these cases we

2727
02:41:45,600 --> 02:41:49,120
Speaker 6: were attacked, but also those dynamics of resistance. I you know,

2728
02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:52,200
Speaker 6: harken back. I went to the tenth year acknowledging the

2729
02:41:52,959 --> 02:41:55,240
Speaker 6: Mike Michael Mike Wild Jr. And I was, you know,

2730
02:41:55,360 --> 02:41:57,720
Speaker 6: putting in context of time. I said you it was

2731
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:00,080
Speaker 6: a time with so much resistance. And you know what

2732
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:02,480
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Well, as soon as it got to the

2733
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:04,840
Speaker 6: point that many merchants in the community, as soon as

2734
02:42:04,879 --> 02:42:08,119
Speaker 6: it was a police murder, you would they would automatically

2735
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:11,160
Speaker 6: stop boarding their doors, boarding their doors ups up. There

2736
02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:14,640
Speaker 6: were out of there was out of like apology apologies

2737
02:42:14,920 --> 02:42:17,000
Speaker 6: coming out, you know, since we let's let's see what's

2738
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:19,240
Speaker 6: calmed down and see what happened. This was this was

2739
02:42:19,280 --> 02:42:21,480
Speaker 6: a climate of getting not only attached with the climate

2740
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:22,119
Speaker 6: of resistance.

2741
02:42:24,280 --> 02:42:26,000
Speaker 1: And since you're talking about the time at twenty eight

2742
02:42:26,040 --> 02:42:27,440
Speaker 1: after the time for the hour, I got to ask

2743
02:42:27,480 --> 02:42:30,920
Speaker 1: you this, do you think had George Floyd happened now,

2744
02:42:31,480 --> 02:42:34,160
Speaker 1: the response would be different because Donald Trump is threatened

2745
02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:38,560
Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be no demonstrations like he saw what

2746
02:42:38,680 --> 02:42:41,640
Speaker 1: happened to George Floyd. I know some people are trying

2747
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:44,199
Speaker 1: to get the convicted murder out of out of prisoner

2748
02:42:44,200 --> 02:42:46,600
Speaker 1: as well. So your thoughts if this, if what happened

2749
02:42:46,640 --> 02:42:48,920
Speaker 1: to George Floyd back, and then if it happened today,

2750
02:42:48,959 --> 02:42:50,320
Speaker 1: would the response be the same.

2751
02:42:51,200 --> 02:42:53,120
Speaker 6: You know, it's you know, it's hard to you know, uh,

2752
02:42:54,080 --> 02:42:57,480
Speaker 6: pitpoint particulars on the plantation. Get it's hard to pitpoint

2753
02:42:57,520 --> 02:43:01,680
Speaker 6: particulars on the plantation. You know. You know, politics especially

2754
02:43:01,680 --> 02:43:04,840
Speaker 6: you know, a lot of times, especially in the reactionary climates,

2755
02:43:04,920 --> 02:43:07,160
Speaker 6: reactionary times you have you know, you have to take

2756
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:10,840
Speaker 6: into account time and location. You know that, even when

2757
02:43:10,840 --> 02:43:13,160
Speaker 6: I talk about such dynamics as the nineteen sixties or

2758
02:43:13,160 --> 02:43:15,720
Speaker 6: the Black Panther Party, I always take always say, well,

2759
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:18,480
Speaker 6: you have to take into account location, you know what, Uh,

2760
02:43:18,560 --> 02:43:20,600
Speaker 6: who was who was in prison? Who was out? So

2761
02:43:20,760 --> 02:43:25,000
Speaker 6: these it's more specifics. It goes into that, you know,

2762
02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:27,640
Speaker 6: like in fact, I think that the Willie Lynch letter, Uh,

2763
02:43:27,920 --> 02:43:30,000
Speaker 6: I think it was assessed that they laid out of this.

2764
02:43:30,200 --> 02:43:32,880
Speaker 6: This is a full proof method on having one of

2765
02:43:33,440 --> 02:43:36,240
Speaker 6: a well oil plantation. Yeah, the same Breakfast said, wait

2766
02:43:36,240 --> 02:43:39,600
Speaker 6: a minute, however, you can have a plan on such dynamics.

2767
02:43:39,640 --> 02:43:41,480
Speaker 6: They were kind of referencing dynamics of bills in the

2768
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:43,200
Speaker 6: Reverend that turners the Harriet Tube and so on and

2769
02:43:43,280 --> 02:43:46,400
Speaker 6: so forth. So it's you had a basic tenth plate

2770
02:43:46,440 --> 02:43:48,280
Speaker 6: and have a general assessment. But that you know what

2771
02:43:48,320 --> 02:43:51,280
Speaker 6: I'm saying. But again that's why that term seize the

2772
02:43:51,360 --> 02:43:53,680
Speaker 6: time is so important. There are certain dynamics sort of

2773
02:43:53,680 --> 02:43:56,160
Speaker 6: particulars that can happen, that can trigger and that you know,

2774
02:43:56,280 --> 02:43:59,160
Speaker 6: like even even even with the George Lloyd Murphy, I

2775
02:43:59,280 --> 02:44:02,720
Speaker 6: recall recalled that that evening, you know, some headed headed

2776
02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:05,440
Speaker 6: hit hitting the road that same night. I mean literally

2777
02:44:05,520 --> 02:44:09,640
Speaker 6: I recall, Uh, we had had our chapter that was there, uh,

2778
02:44:09,720 --> 02:44:12,120
Speaker 6: and our local representatives publent and so I remember I

2779
02:44:12,120 --> 02:44:15,000
Speaker 6: remember she has she has said literally when it went

2780
02:44:15,080 --> 02:44:18,160
Speaker 6: down to the champion's going to go up, this is

2781
02:44:18,400 --> 02:44:20,360
Speaker 6: is going to be hot. This was taken. This was

2782
02:44:20,400 --> 02:44:22,800
Speaker 6: because we didn't have we didn't have a reaction to responses.

2783
02:44:22,840 --> 02:44:24,920
Speaker 6: We had our programs with the Triple C programs, the

2784
02:44:24,959 --> 02:44:27,480
Speaker 6: black Print party clubs that didn't look around there organizing

2785
02:44:27,920 --> 02:44:32,240
Speaker 6: and that that particular location, that particular location as opposed

2786
02:44:32,240 --> 02:44:34,120
Speaker 6: to save five blocks away from that, you know what

2787
02:44:34,120 --> 02:44:36,040
Speaker 6: I'm saying. We took into account the the climate, the

2788
02:44:36,080 --> 02:44:38,760
Speaker 6: political climate that the people that were there. So it's

2789
02:44:39,160 --> 02:44:42,120
Speaker 6: imperative what you like. And these are certain dynamics that

2790
02:44:42,480 --> 02:44:43,800
Speaker 6: you say in the US when they go to they

2791
02:44:43,879 --> 02:44:45,960
Speaker 6: went to Vietnam or Korea, they were taken into account

2792
02:44:45,959 --> 02:44:49,199
Speaker 6: the different dynamics between South Korea, North Korea, North Vietnam,

2793
02:44:49,240 --> 02:44:52,720
Speaker 6: and South Vietnam. So there are certain dynamics that it

2794
02:44:52,760 --> 02:44:54,959
Speaker 6: can it can flip on a day to day basis.

2795
02:44:55,720 --> 02:44:57,959
Speaker 6: You talk about the hip hop phenomena, you said, well,

2796
02:44:58,160 --> 02:45:00,880
Speaker 6: it's a different dynamic when Kendred Lamar, you know what

2797
02:45:00,879 --> 02:45:02,320
Speaker 6: I'm saying. When he came in, you know what I'm saying,

2798
02:45:02,480 --> 02:45:04,160
Speaker 6: and he said, wait, this is let's see the time

2799
02:45:04,240 --> 02:45:06,080
Speaker 6: we got the ear as opposed to the phenomenon with

2800
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:07,000
Speaker 6: the drakes and the likes.

2801
02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:07,160
Speaker 15: You know.

2802
02:45:07,520 --> 02:45:10,120
Speaker 6: So that's why we have to contently have our ears

2803
02:45:10,120 --> 02:45:13,200
Speaker 6: to the ground studying the people, because sometimes situations can

2804
02:45:13,280 --> 02:45:15,960
Speaker 6: be political. Situations can be as reactionary as is the

2805
02:45:15,959 --> 02:45:19,640
Speaker 6: weather in Chicago. I just left Chicago yesterday, and uh,

2806
02:45:19,879 --> 02:45:21,720
Speaker 6: you know, I keep my colde closes because they don't

2807
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:22,400
Speaker 6: tell how the weather be.

2808
02:45:22,640 --> 02:45:24,280
Speaker 5: Speaking of way, speaking of the which let me sending

2809
02:45:24,280 --> 02:45:24,640
Speaker 5: me at.

2810
02:45:24,600 --> 02:45:27,600
Speaker 6: This in there literally literally when I left. When my

2811
02:45:28,440 --> 02:45:31,240
Speaker 6: departure out of Chicago, we got word that you know,

2812
02:45:31,400 --> 02:45:35,400
Speaker 6: saying that there was some uh uh you know, counterfeit

2813
02:45:35,480 --> 02:45:38,560
Speaker 6: groups and these uh there was some different dynamics being

2814
02:45:38,600 --> 02:45:40,640
Speaker 6: put in place that you know what I'm saying in

2815
02:45:40,879 --> 02:45:43,720
Speaker 6: regardless that like you know, players play of the legacy

2816
02:45:43,720 --> 02:45:45,120
Speaker 6: of the black people of the party, and but the

2817
02:45:45,200 --> 02:45:47,440
Speaker 6: people's political maturity was to the point that they said,

2818
02:45:47,480 --> 02:45:49,200
Speaker 6: wait a minute, that's not that's not the real deal,

2819
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:52,840
Speaker 6: and and that that's just that's imperentive that we politicize

2820
02:45:52,879 --> 02:45:55,360
Speaker 6: the people. So again, because kings, you have to doing

2821
02:45:55,879 --> 02:45:58,400
Speaker 6: we say, a political pivot, because this is the one

2822
02:45:58,440 --> 02:46:00,640
Speaker 6: thing that the state does is see they said, when

2823
02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:02,680
Speaker 6: they can't stop, let's co opt it. That's water down

2824
02:46:02,800 --> 02:46:05,200
Speaker 6: is change and making something to beat. So we can't

2825
02:46:05,240 --> 02:46:07,680
Speaker 6: get you know, stabilized and say have a blanket assessment

2826
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:10,280
Speaker 6: and say well this is what this is what would

2827
02:46:10,280 --> 02:46:13,800
Speaker 6: happen this day. The representatives of the ruling class, US

2828
02:46:13,879 --> 02:46:17,000
Speaker 6: President Trumping and the likes they can there they can

2829
02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:20,040
Speaker 6: maybe more given a better assessment because they are you

2830
02:46:20,080 --> 02:46:22,480
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying that that that that machine, that

2831
02:46:22,600 --> 02:46:24,959
Speaker 6: machine can you say has more of a controller serta

2832
02:46:24,959 --> 02:46:27,000
Speaker 6: of dynamics. We gotta work, we gotta work with We

2833
02:46:27,080 --> 02:46:30,800
Speaker 6: have to assess certain times, search and again, seizing the

2834
02:46:30,879 --> 02:46:32,760
Speaker 6: time and being a move with a political pivot and

2835
02:46:32,959 --> 02:46:36,320
Speaker 6: again the bank God has to be consistent. So the

2836
02:46:36,360 --> 02:46:40,800
Speaker 6: political analysis, even when the state is getting people comfortable

2837
02:46:41,120 --> 02:46:43,440
Speaker 6: and saying, listen, everything is cool. Now there's a there's

2838
02:46:43,480 --> 02:46:46,320
Speaker 6: a peace tree or what what have you. You know

2839
02:46:46,360 --> 02:46:48,120
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, we had we had to become We

2840
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:50,720
Speaker 6: know this. This system utilizes the taxes of an old

2841
02:46:50,800 --> 02:46:54,280
Speaker 6: farmer during October. You know that they get the turkey fat.

2842
02:46:54,440 --> 02:46:56,200
Speaker 6: You have fee the turkey real good. You know what

2843
02:46:56,200 --> 02:46:58,160
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Turkey, the turkey that we were good to go.

2844
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:02,040
Speaker 6: As soon as you know, Riverco you got more choking block.

2845
02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:04,160
Speaker 6: So we are to be consistent with our politics.

2846
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:07,320
Speaker 1: Right twenty eight away from the top down, Chairman, We've

2847
02:47:07,320 --> 02:47:08,880
Speaker 1: got a bunch of folks want to talk to you already.

2848
02:47:08,959 --> 02:47:12,440
Speaker 1: Eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy sixtys taking

2849
02:47:12,480 --> 02:47:16,360
Speaker 1: one online. Three Normans calling from Toronto, A Grand Rising Normandy,

2850
02:47:16,360 --> 02:47:17,560
Speaker 1: you're on with Chairman Fred.

2851
02:47:19,080 --> 02:47:24,200
Speaker 18: Grand Rising to you, Carl and Chairman Fred and.

2852
02:47:24,760 --> 02:47:28,720
Speaker 6: Brother my brother on on the buttons.

2853
02:47:29,520 --> 02:47:32,359
Speaker 18: Uh yeah, Chairman fred I just wanted to say, Louise,

2854
02:47:32,440 --> 02:47:38,480
Speaker 18: don't forget Anna please. First and secondly, I wanted to

2855
02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:40,600
Speaker 18: talk about the fact that you know, the like the

2856
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:45,120
Speaker 18: primary contradiction is between you know, the colonized people, the

2857
02:47:45,160 --> 02:47:49,080
Speaker 18: African people and the colonized people and the state. But

2858
02:47:49,240 --> 02:47:53,640
Speaker 18: you got people now that are are making secondary contradictions,

2859
02:47:53,640 --> 02:47:57,200
Speaker 18: you know, like the differences between the very sets of

2860
02:47:57,320 --> 02:48:02,400
Speaker 18: African people. You know, like the the FBA crowd are

2861
02:48:02,480 --> 02:48:06,400
Speaker 18: trying to pit us against the UH other African When

2862
02:48:06,440 --> 02:48:10,520
Speaker 18: I say Africans people african is born in America against uh.

2863
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:13,480
Speaker 18: They're trying to try It's a tribal type of situation.

2864
02:48:14,200 --> 02:48:14,280
Speaker 6: Uh.

2865
02:48:14,360 --> 02:48:16,160
Speaker 18: You know, how do we deal with that whole question

2866
02:48:16,360 --> 02:48:20,040
Speaker 18: of uh black internationalism.

2867
02:48:21,120 --> 02:48:25,040
Speaker 6: Well, you mentioned something in this day. I think I

2868
02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:26,520
Speaker 6: didn't get to hear what you saying at first. But

2869
02:48:26,840 --> 02:48:29,040
Speaker 6: let me let me do this lot apart from the question,

2870
02:48:29,160 --> 02:48:33,200
Speaker 6: the question in hand, I think we should be very

2871
02:48:33,280 --> 02:48:38,400
Speaker 6: clear that though certain contradictions are being heightened now, they

2872
02:48:38,480 --> 02:48:41,640
Speaker 6: may they may not. They there's not necessarily mean that

2873
02:48:41,800 --> 02:48:46,040
Speaker 6: there are new contradictions. Again, drug coordation between capitalism and

2874
02:48:46,360 --> 02:48:49,800
Speaker 6: the coronavirus there are certain contradictions that may be dormant

2875
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:53,320
Speaker 6: and we may not see at certain times. And however,

2876
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:56,320
Speaker 6: at certain times when it's when it's intensified, it's heightened,

2877
02:48:56,600 --> 02:49:02,199
Speaker 6: it it's bigly is it's graptically depicted, this exposed and expressed,

2878
02:49:02,480 --> 02:49:03,840
Speaker 6: and a lot of times a lot of us would

2879
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:05,560
Speaker 6: like for that not to come out. But it's it's

2880
02:49:05,560 --> 02:49:08,840
Speaker 6: a it's a necessary uh ingredient, you know what I'm saying,

2881
02:49:09,000 --> 02:49:12,680
Speaker 6: in regards to you know, being, it's a necessary ingredient

2882
02:49:13,120 --> 02:49:15,959
Speaker 6: in regards to being a substance of imperialism and name

2883
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:18,480
Speaker 6: of terms. Let me say this, and it's ugly. It's

2884
02:49:18,520 --> 02:49:21,000
Speaker 6: like it's like certain things come out, you know what

2885
02:49:21,000 --> 02:49:22,800
Speaker 6: I'm saying that we would we were we would like

2886
02:49:22,879 --> 02:49:24,280
Speaker 6: to say no, we want to we want to have

2887
02:49:24,320 --> 02:49:27,640
Speaker 6: a rigid line of you know what I'm saying, you

2888
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:29,800
Speaker 6: know saying, uh race question, the richer lines of the

2889
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:32,720
Speaker 6: class contradictions, you know what I'm saying. And it's not

2890
02:49:32,879 --> 02:49:36,400
Speaker 6: that simplistic. There are certain contradictions that such as them again,

2891
02:49:36,480 --> 02:49:38,800
Speaker 6: such as this present this present political climate, that have

2892
02:49:38,920 --> 02:49:41,240
Speaker 6: to occur that you know what I'm saying, that we

2893
02:49:41,360 --> 02:49:43,000
Speaker 6: may be just becoming aware of. But if you look

2894
02:49:43,000 --> 02:49:45,200
Speaker 6: at we take a historical analysis, we would say, wait

2895
02:49:45,200 --> 02:49:47,000
Speaker 6: a minute, this had been know this has been the

2896
02:49:47,080 --> 02:49:48,879
Speaker 6: case all the time. It's kind of coronavirus. When they

2897
02:49:48,920 --> 02:49:52,560
Speaker 6: say that they may bring out when it's impact, when

2898
02:49:52,720 --> 02:49:55,520
Speaker 6: certain impact said that you're impacted by there are other

2899
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:57,560
Speaker 6: health conditions that may come out said you know what,

2900
02:49:58,080 --> 02:50:00,960
Speaker 6: there's issue with your kidneys before saying it may may

2901
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:06,520
Speaker 6: heighten other contradictions. So these are contradictions that and may

2902
02:50:06,560 --> 02:50:10,200
Speaker 6: and they have led lied doing it for generations, you know,

2903
02:50:10,320 --> 02:50:13,240
Speaker 6: talking about these class contradictions, different dynamics or or maybe

2904
02:50:13,320 --> 02:50:16,720
Speaker 6: embedding people. You're saying this this impeerlessness is so deep

2905
02:50:17,000 --> 02:50:19,560
Speaker 6: it gets into the DNA. You know, it's not just

2906
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:22,920
Speaker 6: a blanket a session of you know of presence spield

2907
02:50:22,959 --> 02:50:25,600
Speaker 6: Marshals George Jackson the Black Panther Party said that capitalism

2908
02:50:26,080 --> 02:50:29,039
Speaker 6: not only affects the economy, but it affects the psychic

2909
02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:31,359
Speaker 6: of the people. Again, not only effects become of the psychic.

2910
02:50:31,800 --> 02:50:34,920
Speaker 6: So that these are that's why we have to again

2911
02:50:35,320 --> 02:50:38,200
Speaker 6: beyond with the UH or the politics that we are

2912
02:50:38,320 --> 02:50:40,360
Speaker 6: more going to pivot to recognize that's you know that

2913
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:42,879
Speaker 6: we turns certain actions. I believe it was Malcha Mens

2914
02:50:43,280 --> 02:50:46,680
Speaker 6: coming after DL Castro. No permanent friends, no permanent enemies,

2915
02:50:46,879 --> 02:50:49,920
Speaker 6: a permanent interest. So we have to be a recognize

2916
02:50:49,959 --> 02:50:52,720
Speaker 6: and deal with different dynamics scientifically. That goes to the dogs,

2917
02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:56,760
Speaker 6: the race and the class contradiction. You know something, you know,

2918
02:50:57,000 --> 02:51:00,640
Speaker 6: I talk about the points of even trivel your having

2919
02:51:00,680 --> 02:51:03,960
Speaker 6: a beyond with the politicians, you know, being fortunate to

2920
02:51:04,040 --> 02:51:06,039
Speaker 6: come in contact with fellow freedom fighters. You know, I'm

2921
02:51:06,040 --> 02:51:10,959
Speaker 6: saying from I've you know, touch the ground in Africa. Fact,

2922
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:12,640
Speaker 6: you know, say, look at the history of different you know,

2923
02:51:13,080 --> 02:51:16,160
Speaker 6: Rose Days, Strougles, the history of Venezuela. You all said,

2924
02:51:16,760 --> 02:51:19,920
Speaker 6: as opposed to having a reactionary assessment, you said, knowing

2925
02:51:19,959 --> 02:51:22,879
Speaker 6: the dynamics of Hugo shops, knowing putting it in concerts

2926
02:51:22,879 --> 02:51:27,680
Speaker 6: and correlation, the systematic assassination, the very South American leadership,

2927
02:51:27,879 --> 02:51:30,400
Speaker 6: you know, said as opposed to coming to first contact,

2928
02:51:30,840 --> 02:51:32,959
Speaker 6: the first contact, right hold?

2929
02:51:33,000 --> 02:51:34,760
Speaker 1: I thought, right there, Chairman, We've gotta step aside for

2930
02:51:34,760 --> 02:51:36,440
Speaker 1: a few moments. I'll let you finish your thought. On

2931
02:51:36,480 --> 02:51:39,480
Speaker 1: the other side, family just joined us. I guess it's Chairman,

2932
02:51:39,560 --> 02:51:42,080
Speaker 1: Fred Hampton, you'd like to speak to him eight hundred

2933
02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:44,480
Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Those

2934
02:51:44,520 --> 02:51:46,680
Speaker 1: are the magic numbers. I'm gonna take your phone calls

2935
02:51:46,840 --> 02:51:49,600
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us

2936
02:51:49,640 --> 02:51:51,960
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday morning. I guess it's Chairman Fred Hampton

2937
02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:54,680
Speaker 1: out of Chicago. You know it's an activist. Chairman Fred's

2938
02:51:54,720 --> 02:51:57,960
Speaker 1: in town is for George Floyd's birthday. Today is George

2939
02:51:57,959 --> 02:52:00,959
Speaker 1: Floyd's birthday and they're gonna have a rally stand at

2940
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:03,959
Speaker 1: noon at Union Square in Washington, d C. Chair will

2941
02:52:04,000 --> 02:52:06,959
Speaker 1: give you more information before he leaves. Also tomorrow there's

2942
02:52:06,959 --> 02:52:09,840
Speaker 1: going to be a tribute to Asadashi Corp. In Washington, DC.

2943
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:14,000
Speaker 1: It starts at six thirty. Doctor Mark Lamont Hills coming

2944
02:52:14,040 --> 02:52:15,720
Speaker 1: down from Philly to do that. It's going to be

2945
02:52:15,720 --> 02:52:18,039
Speaker 1: a bus boys and poets. And again that's the one

2946
02:52:18,080 --> 02:52:20,480
Speaker 1: on fourteenth and V Street. And also late this week

2947
02:52:20,520 --> 02:52:22,400
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the thirtieth anniversary of the

2948
02:52:22,480 --> 02:52:24,920
Speaker 1: Million Man March with two of the architects, one being

2949
02:52:24,959 --> 02:52:28,200
Speaker 1: the Reverend doctor Willie Wilson from Union Temple Baptist Church

2950
02:52:28,200 --> 02:52:32,119
Speaker 1: and also the other one being doctor Milana Kurenga minister

2951
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:34,240
Speaker 1: Farkhan reached out to both of these first when he

2952
02:52:34,920 --> 02:52:36,920
Speaker 1: conceived the idea of doing the mill of Man March,

2953
02:52:37,160 --> 02:52:39,959
Speaker 1: and in fact, doctor Krenga wrote the Million Man March Manifesto.

2954
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:42,080
Speaker 1: So they'll both be here, along with the University of

2955
02:52:42,120 --> 02:52:43,880
Speaker 1: Houston's doctor jeryel Horne. They are going to be here.

2956
02:52:43,959 --> 02:52:45,760
Speaker 1: So if you're in Baltimore, make sure you keep you

2957
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:48,840
Speaker 1: radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB. I we're

2958
02:52:48,840 --> 02:52:51,560
Speaker 1: in the DMV. We're on FM ninety five point nine

2959
02:52:51,640 --> 02:52:54,880
Speaker 1: and AM fourteen fifteen WHL. Chairman, We've got a bunch

2960
02:52:54,920 --> 02:52:56,160
Speaker 1: of folks want to talk to you for you can

2961
02:52:56,200 --> 02:52:59,840
Speaker 1: shut up on the answers. I appreciated Norman real quick

2962
02:52:59,879 --> 02:53:01,600
Speaker 1: your follow up question for the chairman.

2963
02:53:03,200 --> 02:53:06,520
Speaker 18: Oh, I was saying that Louise don't forget Ana please.

2964
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:09,840
Speaker 18: That was a saying that Gil Scott Hearing said. That

2965
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:12,600
Speaker 18: was about Gary Tyler when he was in angle for

2966
02:53:12,760 --> 02:53:20,120
Speaker 18: prison in Louisiana, and I was just that's I opened up.

2967
02:53:20,160 --> 02:53:23,360
Speaker 18: I just said, Angola, I was saying, Louise don't forget

2968
02:53:23,400 --> 02:53:25,800
Speaker 18: Ana please. That was a that's a line from Gill.

2969
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:30,160
Speaker 1: That's all right, thanks Dorman eight hundred and four five

2970
02:53:30,280 --> 02:53:33,120
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight, seventy six, seventeen away from the top there,

2971
02:53:33,320 --> 02:53:35,960
Speaker 1: Sister Pam Africa is checking in from Philly. She's online

2972
02:53:36,000 --> 02:53:38,039
Speaker 1: one grand rising, Sister Pam Africa.

2973
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:38,480
Speaker 10: On the move.

2974
02:53:41,080 --> 02:53:42,560
Speaker 19: Yes, good morning, you know on the move.

2975
02:53:43,320 --> 02:53:47,119
Speaker 6: Move Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, yes, indeed.

2976
02:53:47,680 --> 02:53:52,720
Speaker 19: Okay. I was listening and I thought about I had

2977
02:53:52,840 --> 02:53:55,240
Speaker 19: went a friend of mine and lost a pocketbook, right,

2978
02:53:55,720 --> 02:53:58,160
Speaker 19: so he had to go to the police station college

2979
02:53:58,600 --> 02:54:03,400
Speaker 19: and on the walls here Phiadelphian Western Phiadelphian, a sort

2980
02:54:03,480 --> 02:54:06,640
Speaker 19: of all this thing where they were recruiting, you know,

2981
02:54:07,040 --> 02:54:11,200
Speaker 19: people and all to young folks to join the police force.

2982
02:54:11,680 --> 02:54:14,160
Speaker 19: And the initiative was you didn't have to be a

2983
02:54:14,280 --> 02:54:17,120
Speaker 19: high school graduate, which you didn't have to have the

2984
02:54:17,240 --> 02:54:19,320
Speaker 19: diplomaent you can get it, get in with your GP

2985
02:54:19,520 --> 02:54:23,400
Speaker 19: did and uh. And they were offering I forget how

2986
02:54:23,480 --> 02:54:26,880
Speaker 19: many thousand dollars and offer you to join, and how

2987
02:54:27,000 --> 02:54:30,360
Speaker 19: much money thousands of dollars you would get once you join.

2988
02:54:30,800 --> 02:54:32,920
Speaker 19: And then you know, well you got all these This

2989
02:54:33,120 --> 02:54:38,440
Speaker 19: is an economic war and they're recruiting. They're recruiting people too,

2990
02:54:38,800 --> 02:54:41,320
Speaker 19: but they train them just like they do in the army.

2991
02:54:41,640 --> 02:54:45,360
Speaker 19: That don't see the billions as people and people who

2992
02:54:46,080 --> 02:54:51,360
Speaker 19: that trunk is determining as terrorists and are, and they're

2993
02:54:51,440 --> 02:54:54,640
Speaker 19: teaching them that way and are This is how they're

2994
02:54:54,720 --> 02:54:57,440
Speaker 19: seeing us. They're not seeing us for who we are.

2995
02:54:57,800 --> 02:55:00,360
Speaker 19: I'm talking about a lot of them. And you know

2996
02:55:01,040 --> 02:55:05,200
Speaker 19: that chairman friends you, yourself, brother called Nelson, is a target.

2997
02:55:05,360 --> 02:55:09,360
Speaker 19: And because you're going against the evils of what this

2998
02:55:09,560 --> 02:55:13,240
Speaker 19: government is trying to put down. It's easy to get

2999
02:55:13,280 --> 02:55:16,400
Speaker 19: into the service, it's easy to get a job as

3000
02:55:16,680 --> 02:55:23,640
Speaker 19: a you know, guard and are anything that oppressed peoples.

3001
02:55:24,320 --> 02:55:26,640
Speaker 19: And this whole thing people do not believe when they

3002
02:55:26,720 --> 02:55:33,959
Speaker 19: talking about deporting you know, Mexicans to New Zealand and different.

3003
02:55:33,680 --> 02:55:34,440
Speaker 6: Places like that.

3004
02:55:34,920 --> 02:55:37,680
Speaker 19: The horrors of that is you know, you got to

3005
02:55:37,720 --> 02:55:40,200
Speaker 19: go and look at the tapes and see these prisons

3006
02:55:40,360 --> 02:55:43,840
Speaker 19: in New Zealand and look that. You know, people be's thinking,

3007
02:55:43,879 --> 02:55:47,320
Speaker 19: they're not talking about us. They are talking about us.

3008
02:55:47,560 --> 02:55:51,200
Speaker 19: They're not just talking about revolutionaries. They're talking about the

3009
02:55:51,320 --> 02:55:54,920
Speaker 19: brother that raises his voice, you know, in opposition to

3010
02:55:55,160 --> 02:55:58,320
Speaker 19: things that's happening on his job, health care and things

3011
02:55:58,480 --> 02:56:01,920
Speaker 19: like that. You know, you are criminalized and understanding it

3012
02:56:02,080 --> 02:56:06,160
Speaker 19: is time for people to rise up and understanding. Look

3013
02:56:06,360 --> 02:56:07,640
Speaker 19: at Germany, this.

3014
02:56:07,840 --> 02:56:10,800
Speaker 1: Man has you know, I guess, yeah, it's just a pama,

3015
02:56:10,920 --> 02:56:12,520
Speaker 1: it's a favorite. And put it in their question for him,

3016
02:56:12,520 --> 02:56:13,720
Speaker 1: because I've got a bunch of folk who want to

3017
02:56:13,760 --> 02:56:14,440
Speaker 1: talk to the chairman.

3018
02:56:14,560 --> 02:56:17,840
Speaker 19: Oh look, I'm sorry, I'm getting don't have a question

3019
02:56:18,040 --> 02:56:23,039
Speaker 19: for him other than you know, it is not a question,

3020
02:56:23,120 --> 02:56:26,200
Speaker 19: you know, yes, it is people. Why aren't we rising up?

3021
02:56:26,440 --> 02:56:28,920
Speaker 19: And why aren't we knocking on the doors and letting

3022
02:56:29,000 --> 02:56:29,560
Speaker 19: people know.

3023
02:56:29,959 --> 02:56:31,360
Speaker 18: The real deal of what's going on?

3024
02:56:31,720 --> 02:56:32,840
Speaker 19: I guess that's my question.

3025
02:56:33,440 --> 02:56:37,080
Speaker 1: All right, thanks chairman, thank you, appreciate your chef.

3026
02:56:38,160 --> 02:56:40,480
Speaker 6: Well, still love of respect. But it's a conversation of

3027
02:56:40,520 --> 02:56:43,520
Speaker 6: Pan Africa. Uh, we have to do people get involved

3028
02:56:43,520 --> 02:56:47,120
Speaker 6: in trouble because quote unquote conscious one of three ways inspiration,

3029
02:56:47,600 --> 02:56:49,960
Speaker 6: aspiration or desperation.

3030
02:56:51,120 --> 02:56:53,400
Speaker 1: Got you fortune away from the top day Ivonne in

3031
02:56:53,480 --> 02:56:56,320
Speaker 1: Chicago online two Grand Rise and Ivannie on with the chairman,

3032
02:56:58,000 --> 02:56:58,480
Speaker 1: Grand Rise.

3033
02:56:58,600 --> 02:57:03,680
Speaker 8: And that's the boy.

3034
02:57:04,879 --> 02:57:06,400
Speaker 15: I am calling to ask.

3035
02:57:06,320 --> 02:57:12,840
Speaker 20: Chairman Fred his thoughts. Why today is so significant to

3036
02:57:13,360 --> 02:57:17,520
Speaker 20: celebrate the life of George Floyd on this earth right

3037
02:57:18,360 --> 02:57:22,720
Speaker 20: and remind people of his murder, and yet there is

3038
02:57:23,120 --> 02:57:27,920
Speaker 20: a an action in place to represent and honor another

3039
02:57:28,040 --> 02:57:31,480
Speaker 20: person who did nothing but spew hate. You speak to

3040
02:57:31,560 --> 02:57:35,320
Speaker 20: that Chairman, doctor Fred Hampton Jr.

3041
02:57:37,800 --> 02:57:41,840
Speaker 6: Revolutionary love respect, getting him a my system of a

3042
02:57:41,959 --> 02:57:50,560
Speaker 6: fellow club or Blake. This is an organization well just

3043
02:57:50,640 --> 02:57:55,920
Speaker 6: in general visual symbolisms, I mean, that's extremely important something

3044
02:57:55,920 --> 02:57:58,000
Speaker 6: that they're not just with our community to put people

3045
02:57:58,040 --> 02:57:59,840
Speaker 6: know that the significance of that when you're talking about

3046
02:58:00,040 --> 02:58:03,039
Speaker 6: I asked, you told my symbolism and though we are

3047
02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:06,680
Speaker 6: we have business of police terrorism. You know what I'm saying,

3048
02:58:06,760 --> 02:58:10,520
Speaker 6: food deserts. I mean, every day's really a certain case

3049
02:58:10,560 --> 02:58:13,680
Speaker 6: where Bladant I mean in the time the time of

3050
02:58:13,720 --> 02:58:17,200
Speaker 6: a Bladant graphic depiction, I mean in the premise of

3051
02:58:17,280 --> 02:58:20,080
Speaker 6: the call I talked about that we should never forget

3052
02:58:20,120 --> 02:58:22,840
Speaker 6: that that that image that I mean that that Bladant

3053
02:58:23,000 --> 02:58:24,480
Speaker 6: and I come in. I can't recall his sister that

3054
02:58:24,520 --> 02:58:28,040
Speaker 6: who got the videotape of that and just the audio

3055
02:58:28,360 --> 02:58:31,480
Speaker 6: with Jordan Floyd what he was saying that, uh, but

3056
02:58:31,720 --> 02:58:33,240
Speaker 6: calling for his mother. You know what I'm saying, all

3057
02:58:33,280 --> 02:58:36,400
Speaker 6: these different dynamics. You know that the Derrick shaugn on

3058
02:58:36,480 --> 02:58:38,880
Speaker 6: his knee, that and there's certain things that we are

3059
02:58:38,879 --> 02:58:40,240
Speaker 6: put in the back of our mouth. We have to

3060
02:58:40,320 --> 02:58:44,039
Speaker 6: remember that. We have to also remember the resistance the responses,

3061
02:58:44,200 --> 02:58:46,240
Speaker 6: because in so many cases they said, well, it's not

3062
02:58:46,800 --> 02:58:50,120
Speaker 6: the closing the opening remarks for the the uh DA

3063
02:58:50,320 --> 02:58:52,959
Speaker 6: in Los Angeles, before they showed the jury the case

3064
02:58:53,000 --> 02:58:55,680
Speaker 6: of Rodney King being beat the opening markins the DA

3065
02:58:55,800 --> 02:58:58,400
Speaker 6: said told the jury, do not believe everything you're about

3066
02:58:58,440 --> 02:59:00,800
Speaker 6: to see. They literally said that said do not do

3067
02:59:00,920 --> 02:59:02,960
Speaker 6: not believe what you're about do not believe everything you're

3068
02:59:02,959 --> 02:59:06,320
Speaker 6: about to see. So there's not eric in this system.

3069
02:59:06,360 --> 02:59:09,160
Speaker 6: Me is so we are a season time with a

3070
02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:11,680
Speaker 6: blazant example a case of such as George Bloyd something

3071
02:59:11,680 --> 02:59:15,080
Speaker 6: there's a microcosm that halps us every day all day,

3072
02:59:15,280 --> 02:59:17,120
Speaker 6: whether it be a neon I neck, whether it be

3073
02:59:17,240 --> 02:59:21,959
Speaker 6: putting poison our community, whether it be contaminating the waters.

3074
02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:25,400
Speaker 6: You're saying putting us, having us homeless, they're killing us

3075
02:59:25,400 --> 02:59:28,320
Speaker 6: one way or another. But that blatant graphic depiction exposed

3076
02:59:28,440 --> 02:59:32,440
Speaker 6: that and say we can never forget, never forget George Floyd,

3077
02:59:33,000 --> 02:59:35,240
Speaker 6: Breonna Taylor and the callis business of police terrorists, our

3078
02:59:35,240 --> 02:59:37,240
Speaker 6: people up a business terrorists and one way another throughout

3079
02:59:37,240 --> 02:59:38,080
Speaker 6: the throughout.

3080
02:59:37,760 --> 02:59:40,840
Speaker 1: The world got you ten away. From the top of

3081
02:59:40,879 --> 02:59:44,160
Speaker 1: the hour eight hundred four five year, seventy eight seventy six,

3082
02:59:44,480 --> 02:59:47,680
Speaker 1: Line three, James is reaching out to us from Lexington, Kentucky.

3083
02:59:48,080 --> 02:59:53,160
Speaker 1: Grand Rising James Sharon with Chairman Fred Hampton, Grand Rizon's brother.

3084
02:59:53,840 --> 02:59:57,280
Speaker 9: I just wanted to ask you and be brief. I'm

3085
02:59:57,360 --> 03:00:00,360
Speaker 9: down here at Lexington, Kentucky, the new Black Panther Party,

3086
03:00:01,280 --> 03:00:04,000
Speaker 9: and I just wanted to ask you, how can I

3087
03:00:04,120 --> 03:00:09,360
Speaker 9: incorporate the youth into the revolutionary program on a positive

3088
03:00:09,480 --> 03:00:11,599
Speaker 9: mind state as far as learning and teaching.

3089
03:00:13,720 --> 03:00:16,440
Speaker 6: To a question, I can't. I can't speak in regards

3090
03:00:16,520 --> 03:00:19,040
Speaker 6: to that. I'm a chairman me. Someone just told me

3091
03:00:19,120 --> 03:00:22,480
Speaker 6: on Instagram after slow down, let me slow down, I

3092
03:00:22,560 --> 03:00:25,320
Speaker 6: mean especially slow down right now. I am the Chairman

3093
03:00:26,280 --> 03:00:30,600
Speaker 6: of the Black Panther Party CUBS. I'm the chairman of

3094
03:00:30,680 --> 03:00:34,920
Speaker 6: the Black Panther Party CUBS, ideological offspring of the Black

3095
03:00:34,959 --> 03:00:38,160
Speaker 6: Panther Party. That's the that's the oldest I represented. So

3096
03:00:38,320 --> 03:00:41,640
Speaker 6: the Black Panther Party CUBS. We are centralized based in Chicago.

3097
03:00:41,800 --> 03:00:44,920
Speaker 6: The Lawyer. You can go you can tune into Freedom

3098
03:00:45,000 --> 03:00:47,600
Speaker 6: All Radio, or you can go to Chairman for Junior

3099
03:00:47,680 --> 03:00:51,280
Speaker 6: on YouTube. Subscribe. We have a political education every Wednesday,

3100
03:00:52,000 --> 03:00:54,000
Speaker 6: Free them all radio. That's all this Now that I

3101
03:00:54,400 --> 03:00:56,959
Speaker 6: chair a Black Panther party clubs as far as uh

3102
03:00:57,480 --> 03:00:59,480
Speaker 6: with the youth. We have to have our int to

3103
03:00:59,520 --> 03:01:02,080
Speaker 6: the grounds. Seeing what's phenomenal with them studying I'm saying,

3104
03:01:03,000 --> 03:01:05,480
Speaker 6: and the old asking him the ministry pud say that

3105
03:01:05,959 --> 03:01:09,160
Speaker 6: power is the ability to define phenomena and make it

3106
03:01:09,280 --> 03:01:12,360
Speaker 6: act and desired manter see was phenomenal with them studying

3107
03:01:12,360 --> 03:01:14,959
Speaker 6: that that that dynamics. See how you can you'll say,

3108
03:01:15,800 --> 03:01:17,920
Speaker 6: put that as we say, put that Pata cub peel

3109
03:01:18,000 --> 03:01:20,000
Speaker 6: in the apple sauce. Check them out. You were saying,

3110
03:01:20,120 --> 03:01:21,800
Speaker 6: what the movies they talking about? And I know it's

3111
03:01:21,800 --> 03:01:24,280
Speaker 6: a battle, but again seeing what was studying them and

3112
03:01:24,440 --> 03:01:26,560
Speaker 6: coming in, what's phenomenal with them and that they're putting

3113
03:01:26,760 --> 03:01:29,039
Speaker 6: again putting their pill their political pill or Patrick cub

3114
03:01:29,200 --> 03:01:30,400
Speaker 6: pill in the apple sauce.

3115
03:01:31,800 --> 03:01:35,080
Speaker 1: All right, okay, I appreciate that, brother, Thank you, thank you,

3116
03:01:35,360 --> 03:01:37,840
Speaker 1: which you call brother note away from the top of

3117
03:01:37,959 --> 03:01:40,520
Speaker 1: our brother, say who's in Baltimore. He's on line four,

3118
03:01:41,040 --> 03:01:43,360
Speaker 1: Grand rising brother, say Coop your question for Chairman of

3119
03:01:43,400 --> 03:01:46,080
Speaker 1: Fred Hampton, John bo.

3120
03:01:46,280 --> 03:01:51,120
Speaker 8: My question is about the necessity for an ideology. What

3121
03:01:51,560 --> 03:01:55,320
Speaker 8: is the ideology of the pending at the Black Panther

3122
03:01:55,560 --> 03:01:58,960
Speaker 8: Party CUBS organization, What's what's your ideology?

3123
03:02:00,480 --> 03:02:07,080
Speaker 6: Great, great, great, let me, let me let me jag saying,

3124
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:10,000
Speaker 6: reiterate with you in points of that ill theology. Again,

3125
03:02:10,360 --> 03:02:11,840
Speaker 6: we have to come on more than feelings. We have

3126
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:13,680
Speaker 6: to come on more than just you know, do we

3127
03:02:13,920 --> 03:02:14,720
Speaker 6: do we love each other?

3128
03:02:16,879 --> 03:02:17,000
Speaker 1: Uh?

3129
03:02:17,360 --> 03:02:19,960
Speaker 6: Any communalism you know, I relate to that with the

3130
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:22,600
Speaker 6: Black Panther Party. I've been impacted when we say this though,

3131
03:02:22,600 --> 03:02:27,600
Speaker 6: I've been heavily impacted by uh uh African internationalism. I

3132
03:02:28,440 --> 03:02:32,720
Speaker 6: was before priority, the political prisoner. I was the word

3133
03:02:32,760 --> 03:02:35,160
Speaker 6: movement that that that's that politic heavily impacted me. But

3134
03:02:35,280 --> 03:02:37,960
Speaker 6: into communalism with the Black Panther Party, be Cubs in

3135
03:02:38,040 --> 03:02:40,240
Speaker 6: the legacy the Black Panther Party, we say, it's a

3136
03:02:40,280 --> 03:02:42,120
Speaker 6: tough fact to follow, but we tend to walk now

3137
03:02:42,200 --> 03:02:44,520
Speaker 6: only in the footsteps, but it's path of pall steps

3138
03:02:44,840 --> 03:02:46,520
Speaker 6: and in a basic give it, I guess I give

3139
03:02:46,520 --> 03:02:50,800
Speaker 6: you a brief basic assessment a politic that equipts us

3140
03:02:51,080 --> 03:02:53,400
Speaker 6: with the ability not just built the race question, but

3141
03:02:53,560 --> 03:02:56,760
Speaker 6: also the class contradiction and it's ever developed and taken

3142
03:02:56,760 --> 03:03:00,680
Speaker 6: into account you know, uh, time and location. Uh, not

3143
03:03:00,760 --> 03:03:04,160
Speaker 6: only colonialism but also neo colonialism. So again, so it's

3144
03:03:04,200 --> 03:03:06,720
Speaker 6: a it's something something that I believe that we have

3145
03:03:06,840 --> 03:03:09,280
Speaker 6: to be equipped with, especially in this day and age.

3146
03:03:09,959 --> 03:03:11,760
Speaker 6: We just can't come in a blanket assessment of just

3147
03:03:12,200 --> 03:03:15,600
Speaker 6: you know, waste nationalism. I mean, I respect respect that,

3148
03:03:15,680 --> 03:03:17,039
Speaker 6: but that's I think we have to come with something

3149
03:03:17,040 --> 03:03:21,440
Speaker 6: a little a lot more, you know, define defined in

3150
03:03:21,520 --> 03:03:23,720
Speaker 6: that and just just just uh the black and black

3151
03:03:23,760 --> 03:03:26,720
Speaker 6: and white again a politics that's a dresses not only

3152
03:03:26,840 --> 03:03:29,680
Speaker 6: Uncle Sam, but Sambo, not only the Green gover as

3153
03:03:29,680 --> 03:03:30,000
Speaker 6: well as a.

3154
03:03:30,040 --> 03:03:34,920
Speaker 1: Negro and chairman Fred. You're you're in town for for

3155
03:03:35,600 --> 03:03:38,840
Speaker 1: George Floyd's birthday and also in an event taking place

3156
03:03:39,440 --> 03:03:41,640
Speaker 1: at the Hampton House. Please tell us about both of those.

3157
03:03:42,480 --> 03:03:46,640
Speaker 6: Yes, indeed were, in fact we were. We're in town DC.

3158
03:03:46,760 --> 03:03:50,600
Speaker 6: We did tomorrow. Uh that's noon, come on out give myself.

3159
03:03:50,720 --> 03:03:54,200
Speaker 6: Jacob Blake, ka Austin, that's our father, Jacob Blake. That's

3160
03:03:54,560 --> 03:03:58,040
Speaker 6: also the anti Breonna Taylor. Uh, we'll give you. Some

3161
03:03:58,160 --> 03:04:01,760
Speaker 6: of people are tag team with von Or. They Pam

3162
03:04:01,840 --> 03:04:04,240
Speaker 6: Minister conversations of Pam African levels. They're not here physically,

3163
03:04:04,240 --> 03:04:07,040
Speaker 6: but they they they they are Solida. They hear. That's

3164
03:04:07,080 --> 03:04:10,280
Speaker 6: at noon today in DC at Themorrow uh in the

3165
03:04:10,320 --> 03:04:15,440
Speaker 6: birthday of George Floyd. Also this Friday at the Hampton

3166
03:04:15,480 --> 03:04:19,279
Speaker 6: House in Maywood, Illinois at old for South seventeenth Avenue.

3167
03:04:19,520 --> 03:04:21,400
Speaker 6: You go to Hampton House dot org you get more

3168
03:04:21,440 --> 03:04:24,360
Speaker 6: details about that. That's uh, We'll be there at seven

3169
03:04:24,440 --> 03:04:27,960
Speaker 6: pm working in coalation with Pin Flow. That's a phenomenal

3170
03:04:28,120 --> 03:04:28,800
Speaker 6: group of poets.

3171
03:04:29,000 --> 03:04:31,800
Speaker 5: You know, we're gonna uh uh like a front porch

3172
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:34,039
Speaker 5: poetry session. That's that's the this Friday.

3173
03:04:34,320 --> 03:04:36,280
Speaker 6: And let me just I forget. I'm negated to mention

3174
03:04:36,400 --> 03:04:38,520
Speaker 6: something that the Bonn supposed to be Bond had asked

3175
03:04:38,560 --> 03:04:41,600
Speaker 6: him the question. I think it's it's important that it

3176
03:04:41,800 --> 03:04:44,680
Speaker 6: being about with other communities, especially ruling clans, when they

3177
03:04:44,680 --> 03:04:46,920
Speaker 6: honor who they want to honor. So we have to

3178
03:04:47,000 --> 03:04:49,280
Speaker 6: really struggle because it's like, you know, I'm saying on

3179
03:04:49,400 --> 03:04:52,200
Speaker 6: our own terms, we you know, saying the different Chaman

3180
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:56,280
Speaker 6: friends birthday, Malcolm Mexican's birthday, even if they're not revolutionary,

3181
03:04:56,320 --> 03:04:58,880
Speaker 6: and other forces not to always do for their state

3182
03:04:59,800 --> 03:05:04,320
Speaker 6: uh approval. Justin so we say these terms our people,

3183
03:05:04,480 --> 03:05:07,120
Speaker 6: our hood holidays or people's holidays, we really become with

3184
03:05:07,200 --> 03:05:09,400
Speaker 6: a confidence. You know what I'm saying That us to

3185
03:05:09,480 --> 03:05:11,720
Speaker 6: and in the colonized community say no, we define this

3186
03:05:11,800 --> 03:05:14,119
Speaker 6: as a holiday. We recognize individuals and we're not reading

3187
03:05:14,120 --> 03:05:14,840
Speaker 6: on the state of saction.

3188
03:05:16,520 --> 03:05:19,640
Speaker 1: Well said, So is there an email address of folks

3189
03:05:19,640 --> 03:05:21,360
Speaker 1: who want to help you at the Hampton House or

3190
03:05:21,440 --> 03:05:24,560
Speaker 1: one more information about today's rally? Is there a phone

3191
03:05:24,600 --> 03:05:26,160
Speaker 1: number that you can you leave with us?

3192
03:05:26,720 --> 03:05:29,720
Speaker 6: I want the following for the day's rally. It's Instagram

3193
03:05:29,840 --> 03:05:36,560
Speaker 6: benefity go on Jacob Blake's Instagram. Also Bianka Austin and Jolly.

3194
03:05:36,680 --> 03:05:40,360
Speaker 6: I guess Jolly forget his Instagram. That's what today's event

3195
03:05:40,720 --> 03:05:43,200
Speaker 6: and they I'll repost it right now on my page

3196
03:05:43,280 --> 03:05:47,959
Speaker 6: on Official Chairman Fred Official Chairman Fred Hampton Junior on Instagram.

3197
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Speaker 6: I'll repost the flyers and details for that. And also

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Speaker 6: they can for the Hampton House then hefton donhamfton house

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Speaker 6: dot org. They can email they can excuse me, the

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Speaker 6: Hampton House and Gmail and they go uh to the

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Speaker 6: web site they happen house dot saydappen house dot org

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Speaker 6: on the website.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha charming Fred for let you go, make sure you

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Speaker 1: go ahead.

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Speaker 6: I was just a long long live was out of school.

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Speaker 6: One of my mind d Heriet tubmans long.

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Speaker 1: It was support Ah shall before we let you go,

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Speaker 1: give your regards to Mama. A coup. That's a freedom

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Speaker 1: fighter right there that we need to acknowledge. Thank you, chairman,

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Speaker 1: Thank all right, family respect, all right, family cases classes

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Speaker 1: dismissed the stay strong, stay positive. I have a great day.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we'll see you tomorrow morning, six o'clock

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Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten w LB, and

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Speaker 1: also in the d m V on FM ninety five

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Speaker 1: point nine and AM fourteen fifty WOL