1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: So you're telling me Mike Pence crawled out of a hole. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: He was on stage at the Edward M. Kennedy Institute 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: in Boston, and he actually made a comment about redistricting 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: here in Indiana. 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Well, what insightful, uplifting words of wisdom did the former 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: governor of Indiana have to say about redistrict Kisse? 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: He said, I would defer, So whatever angst it creates 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: for people, I would simply defer to the state legislatures 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: and the governor to determine what they think is appropriate, 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: whether it be Indiana, Texas, California, or anywhere else. He 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: did point out that while redistricting mid decade hasn't been 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: part of the tradition, it also isn't prohibited. 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: No kidding, idiot, what do you think we should do? Like, 14 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: so he just has no opinion. 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: Pretty much, he's saying, let other people who are involved 16 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: make the call. 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Well, way to really step up on that, one, buddy. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: Strong opinion on that, the redistricting question. 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so fascinating this even just this radio station, 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: because there's three shows that I think have three very 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: different opinions on it. And that's fine. Tony and somebody 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm misquoting him. He believes that it's 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: a wholly political activity and you should go for it 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: and do it. I view it that our elections should 25 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: be as fair as we can possibly make them. Indiana 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: is basically a sixty to forty Republican state. There are 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: currently seventy eight percent of our House districts are drawn 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: to protect Republicans. Our House and Senate map is skewed 29 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: in terms of seventy and eighty percent Republican, respectively. And 30 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: I think people have the right to have at least 31 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: the perception that these maps are somewhat fairly drawn and 32 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: we're not. Just like, if we're going to do this, 33 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: then why don't we say, whoever wins the republic the 34 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: presidential race gets all the congressional seats. If that's all 35 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: we're doing, If the Congress is just a representative of 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: whoever wins your presidential election, then let's just say that. 37 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: Let's just say whoever wins the presidential election gets all 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: the Indiana gets, you know, Indiana gets nine. All nine 39 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: go to whoever wins that. And same thing in California, 40 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: in same thing in Illinois, and same thing in New York. 41 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: And same thing in Texas, Like we are telling people 42 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: their vote doesn't matter. That's what we're doing by this. 43 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: And we're also telling the political parties you don't have 44 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: to work for votes if you can't get them by 45 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: your governance will rig the system to give them over 46 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: to you, and then you can just go to Washington, 47 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: DC and do whatever you want to do. And the 48 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: people are basically helpless against being able to do anything 49 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: about it. 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, are they rigging the 51 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,279 Speaker 2: system if it's allowed within the constitution. 52 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not saying they're doing anything illegal. I'm saying, though, 53 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: you are manipulating, which they're admitting they're doing it. Yeah, 54 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: there's no there's not a single person, Braun anybody. Andrew Ireland, 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: the state rep who we had on, they fully admit 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: we're just doing this to score more seats for our 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: party in the Congress. I believe the maps should be 58 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: drawn as fair and as equitable as they can be, 59 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: and then made the people with the best ideas and 60 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: who governed the best made they win those elections. We're 61 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: making it so that the governance doesn't matter, the idea 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: of accountability doesn't matter. Oh, we don't like the result, 63 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: we'll just further draw the thing in our favor. And 64 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: the people are the ones who are getting screwed in 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: the process. 66 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: So Governor Mike Broun has repeatedly said he will only 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: call a special session to redistrict if the legislature will 68 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: support it, and he has said that he thinks the 69 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: legislature will eventually get there. Are they having a hard 70 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 2: time whipping the votes to make this happen. 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: Well, totally, that's why they haven't done it. And you 72 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: should have to get there on something. There's nothing to 73 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: get there on either. You believe in the fairness of elections, 74 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: which that's why they go through the process that they 75 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: do every ten years based on whatever the census has said. 76 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: That's how many representatives you get. And then you're supposed 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: to look at how many people have moved in and 78 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: out of each state the representatives are proportion according to that, 79 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: and then inside your own state, you're supposed to take 80 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: a look at where growth trends have been, who come, 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: who's gone. You draw the maps accordingly, because there has 82 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: to be equal populations basically in all of these districts. 83 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: And that's why it's a months long process where they 84 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: go across the state, they get input, they hear from people, 85 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: they hear about things, they try to keep like minded 86 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: communities together, et cetera. And our maps were so good 87 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: that we're one of the few states in the Union 88 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: who didn't even have a lawsuit. And yet now that's 89 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: not good enough. Well, I'm sorry. I don't believe the 90 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: Republican Party has offered me anything that I would say 91 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: give away what little integrity we have left in our 92 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: governmental process to give them two more seats. 93 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about that story? 94 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: Do you feel differently? I? 95 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: You know what, No, I agree with you that it 96 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: should be representation of the state and the voters, and 97 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: if they want to prove their worth, they have to 98 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: do it through good governance. I also think that if 99 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: you don't like it, change the constitution because they're not 100 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: doing anything illegal. 101 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: Well no, but people do all sorts of things by 102 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: the letter of the law and government that are not illegal. 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't make it, It doesn't make it right. Right, Like, 104 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's illegal and then there's the right thing 105 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: to do, and I guess that's in the eye of 106 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: the beholder. What I don't understand is if there's clearly 107 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: no passion for this, why keep pushing it? Yeah, I 108 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: mean you're I get it. They're petrified to Trump because 109 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: they're being strong. But Trump's not even that popular in 110 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: our state. I mean, he is the head of the 111 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: Republican Party, he is a Republican president, and then we 112 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: are a Republican state. But if your people aren't clamoring 113 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: for it, and you know what, you know what's interesting, 114 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: This is the thing that Republicans don't want to talk about. 115 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: Why aren't people clamoring for it? Because they know what 116 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: they're going to get with more Republican representation. 117 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, if the Republicans were doing a great job, 118 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: people would be storming their their legislators in boxes with 119 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 3: phone calls and emails going do it, do it, do it, 120 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: do it. People are apathetic to it, though, because they 121 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: see that the party in power doesn't make any real 122 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: difference in their lives. Things don't get any better, and 123 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: they say, well, why shouldn't my vote be manipulated to 124 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: help your party who doesn't actually care about me? 125 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: M m yeah, I mean, like you mentioned, you're just 126 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: going to get another Jefferson Shreeve. 127 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: Sure, and I'm or or. 128 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: Jennifer Green, someone who's failing up. 129 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: And this is the question I keep asking and no 130 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: one will answer. Is you explain to me why that 131 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: makes my life better? 132 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: Is it going to make your taxes lower? 133 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: Right? 134 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: You explained to me having one more of those type 135 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: of person, which that's who you're going to get. You're 136 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: not going to get some rib rock conservative. You're not 137 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: going to get, you know, some you know, Thomas Massey 138 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: type character. You're going to get a vanilla rank and 139 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: file Republican, the party insider who will just do whatever 140 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: they're told. You tell me how that makes my life 141 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: any better or anybody's life any better. And I think 142 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: we even asked this question. Andrew Ireland, the state rep. 143 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: Who came in here, can't do it. So no, I'm 144 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: not willing to give away my integrity or what I 145 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: know to be right just so that you can have 146 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: more of your club that clearly doesn't want me in 147 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: it anyway. 148 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: Right, there's that. Do you want to talk about the 149 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: guy who was arrested and had ninety nine prior arrests, 150 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: Courtney Bows. They talked about this on the hammer In 151 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: Nigel program yesterday, kind of breaking this story. Lips of 152 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: TikTok picked it up, and then even Stephen Miller from 153 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: the White House commenting on it. His charges included trespassing, 154 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: drug crimes, theft, battery, bodily injury. If you go back 155 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: through his records back to two thousand and two, he's 156 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: had thirty eight misdemeanor cases, thirty seven felony cases, nine citations. 157 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: And he's still roaming the streets, still. 158 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: Roaming the streets, correct? And what is he? Forty one 159 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: years old and he's been charged with attempted murder? 160 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: So this is Rick Snyder was on with Hammer in 161 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: Ninetel yesterday and they obviously arrested or arrested. They talked 162 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: about his what one hundred arrests? Right? 163 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: Is that correct? 164 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: Ninety nine? So we'll round up and call it a 165 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: nice even one hundred, right, which will be at one 166 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: hundred you know, probably in all likelihood before all is 167 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: said and done. And it really sort of is the 168 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: It puts into perspective the problem problems plural with this 169 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: city sort of in one thing, right, which you have 170 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: an individual who clearly a numerous occasions has run a 171 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: foul of the law. Correct me, if I'm wrong Casey, 172 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: these have been oftentimes or more than once violent type offenses. Yeah, correct, Yeah, okay, 173 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: so all. 174 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: The cases dismissed or how to plead deal? 175 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: So so because I've seen some people say, well, he 176 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: has this issue and he has that issue and that's 177 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: why he's out above it. And it's like, okay, maybe 178 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: he does. But this person should not be out on 179 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: the streets. They should not be being exposed to decent society. 180 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: They are clearly a dangerous individual for whatever reason that 181 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: may be, and that person should not be amongst, you know, 182 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: out in the regular order. So whatever reason we want 183 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: to determine that is, we have to one get that 184 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: person away from the public at large. 185 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: Well you've got to know after ninety nine times he's 186 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 2: not learning right. 187 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: And then get him the help he needs. Now, different 188 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: people need different things. Some people need to be institutionalized. 189 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: If they can be helped and stop being a threat 190 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: to everyone else, then getting them you know, counseling, around 191 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: the clock, surveillance, different medication, whatever, then okay, let's do that. 192 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: Some people are just hardened criminals and need to be 193 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: put away from society. But yet we keep seeing these instances. Now, 194 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: not all of them disagregious, but of hyper dangerous individuals 195 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: who keep getting allowed out into society, and many of 196 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: them reoffending. And then everybody just starts a point, sort 197 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: of points a finger at each other. The judges point 198 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: at the prosecutor, The prosecutor points at the judges. The 199 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: judges point at the mayor. The mayor points at the judges. 200 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: The prosecutor points at the mayor. The mayor points at 201 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: the prosecutor. Like it's this like the Spider Man meme, right. 202 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: Where everybody's pointing at each other. 203 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: Rather than saying, okay, society just wants the issue solved. 204 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: Let's just y'all take thirds on the blame, right, Let's 205 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: just all say we're a third to blame, and then 206 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: everybody come together and figure this out. And nobody's coming 207 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 1: together and figuring out the issue, and these people keep 208 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: getting back out on the street. 209 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: Who should be held responsible for this? The judges, the prosecutors. 210 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: Well, I think it has to be a collective, That's 211 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I go back to we have Josh 212 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: Bain on our show a few weeks ago, City County councilor, 213 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: and he was grilling one of these I think it 214 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: was a superior court judge on letting these people back 215 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: out onto the street giving them bail, and the judge. 216 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: While I think he made some decent points in terms 217 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: of him trying to say, look, here's the system that's 218 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: set up, and we have to obey the system that's 219 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: in place, he was very arrogant and flippant in his 220 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: response to Josh Baine of the City County Council, and 221 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: it came off while I'm watching this because I'm torn 222 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: because I'm saying, Okay, I think he's making some good 223 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: points here. However, you're so dismissive in the way you're 224 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: answering this, and you're doing the I'm so smart routine, 225 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: and I can't even believe I have to answer your 226 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: questions routine that it makes me want to hate your 227 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: guts because the answer should be, look, hey, unfortunately, here's 228 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: what we have to do. And I don't I hate 229 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: that I have to do this, but Counselor, I would 230 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: welcome working with anyone, including the General Assembly, to say 231 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: we need to fix our laws to make sure that 232 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: the blah blah blah blah blah blah that wasn't happening 233 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: so I don't know. I just feel like everybody is 234 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: to blame in this and the society. The people are 235 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: the ones who keep getting. 236 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: Who suffer for summer. Yes, yeah, exactly. So it's a 237 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: little bit of narcissism. I'm better than you. It's a 238 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: little bit of laziness. I don't want to deal with this. 239 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 2: Just plea deal. A little bit of thirty thousand warrants 240 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: are out in Indianapolis, too many cases, combination of everything perhaps. 241 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: And it's going to keep happening. That's the reality. You 242 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: have to accept that if you come to Indianapolis, you 243 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: are going to one experience mass rage trying to get 244 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: to whatever destination you seek. And two you have to 245 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: just accept that a way of life in the greater 246 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: downtown area. I mean, it's true throughout the city, but 247 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: obviously we're talking about a population center here, is that 248 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: you just have to continually have your head on a swivel. Yeah, 249 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: wherever you go. 250 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: It's different than the way it used to be. Yeah, 251 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: it's kind of in casey, it's ninety three w IBC. 252 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: I have a question. Okay, does Blues Traveler have another 253 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: hit other than this song? 254 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: They have? But anyway, run around and hook this. 255 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: Is run around. Yeah, he just played. So they had 256 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: three songs that would be considered hit. 257 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, three big ones. 258 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Anyway, that wasn't really the point of this segment. 259 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: I just I have no idea what keV is gonna play, 260 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: and I didn't know because he was massive. 261 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: Therefore John Hopper and it's he was. 262 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: A well fed guy. Therefore, I'm not going to make 263 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: a hey he's heavy joke. I mean, he was like 264 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: a huge deal for a couple of years there where 265 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: he was on TV shows and everything. 266 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they still play the same songs then 267 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: go on tour. 268 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: Isn't that interesting thing? 269 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: The same three songs? He you're looking forward to? 270 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: Well, and I think he's got some sort of show 271 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: coming up here. He was was just here. 272 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: They're they're coming to the Fisher's Events Center on February twentieth. 273 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: They're going to be there with the Gin Blossoms and 274 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: it's part of that Hamilton's Southeastern Education Foundation. It's their 275 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: second annual legacy celebration. Oh okay, so tickets are already 276 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: on sale for that. 277 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: By the way, Yes, the schools don't have enough money. 278 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: You need to do more stuff to give the schools 279 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: more money. But I do wonder when you go now, 280 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: I would imagine there's not like a like groupies that 281 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: follow Blues Traveler around. 282 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 2: Not like Deadheads or anything that follow the Grateful. 283 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: Dead or But I do wonder, like at those sort 284 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: of shows, I mean, how many hardcore Blues Traveler fans 285 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: are there? Obviously everybody knows run Around that was a 286 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: massive hit, was just a huge deal in the nineties. 287 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: Remember it as a kid, and so I get that. 288 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: You hear that and you're like, hey, I love that song. 289 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: It's a great song. But how many people are so 290 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: familiar with the Blues Traveler portfolio that after the three 291 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: ish songs that you name. 292 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: That's what you go to see him for, play the 293 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: three songs. 294 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: But then what do you do, Like, let's take Bertie Higgins, 295 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, the guy that did the Key Largo song. Uh, 296 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, we hit it all massive hit in the 297 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: early nineteen that's it, that's it, right, What does Bertie 298 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Higgins do? Does he do a ninety minute rendition of 299 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: Key Largo? 300 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: I hope not because that would be painful. 301 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: Or Rupert Holmes, the Penia Kalada guy, he had the 302 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: Answering Machine song that was a top forty hit. But 303 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: that's it. What does Rupert Holmes do at his concerts? 304 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: Is he still putting on concerts? 305 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: Are there like seven different verses to the Pina Klada 306 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: song that didn't make the airwaves? That you know? Now 307 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to do an acoustic version. Now I'm going 308 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: to do a piano version. Now I'm going to do 309 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: the version with the seven different verses that didn't make 310 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: the airwaves. Like, what do those people do to entertain 311 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: you for you know, an hour, an hour and a half. 312 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: Try and create a sing along with the crowd. Or 313 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 2: here's an album cut? I mean, after you play the hit, 314 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: they're all album cuts. 315 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: Right, I think you got to go to this thing. 316 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: You gotta get yourself a take it. Don't pay because 317 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: we don't want to help. We don't want to contribute 318 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: any money. 319 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: I like you and Jine Blossoms. I used to play 320 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: the heck out of those songs. Well then you should 321 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 2: when I was doing music radio. I've actually seen Blues 322 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 2: Traveler in concert. 323 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: Oh so what do you do? You know the well, 324 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: you know the answer to this. Why did you lead 325 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: me on the whole when they play. 326 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: There are other songs that you're just not familiar with. However, 327 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: I will say he's a really fantastic harmonica player. 328 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no, come back. I can't believe 329 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: you died. At the beginning, We're like, well, Rob, I've 330 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: seen them in concert, and here's what they do. 331 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 2: They played there are other songs that you just don't know. 332 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: So does the audience just sit there and go. 333 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: Well, this was in the nineties when they were just 334 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 2: coming out and they were very popular. So I you know, 335 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: the one thing that I remember the most about that concert. 336 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 2: It was in Chicago, was in a small theater and 337 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: Dennis Rodman was there, and he. 338 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Was like the same concert you were at. 339 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was up in like the VIP balcony area. Sure, 340 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: and I had more of a floor general admission scene, huh. 341 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 2: But when Dennis Rodman showed up, Blues Traveler was playing, 342 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: but everybody's attention just went up to the balcony. 343 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: Watching the Now was this in Chicago? Okay? Were you 344 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: there as a member of the media or either just 345 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: as a fan. 346 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: I was a member of the media. I mean that's 347 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: why I went. How I went? 348 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: So when you go to a Rolling Stones concert, No, 349 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: obviously it's a lot more people, but people pretty much 350 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: know every word or Jimmy Buffett when he was a 351 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: lot longer blah blah blah. But at the Blues Traveler concert, 352 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: what does the crowd do when he's playing the other along? 353 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 2: Okay, just I do recall I didn't stay for the 354 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: whole show. 355 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: You left early. 356 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: Right because they had played the three. 357 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: Song, And you're like, I don't care anymore? Right, Oh wait, 358 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: waitit that's fascin. He doesn't string people along because hey, 359 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: this is my hit, and I know you came to 360 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: see this hit, so I'm going to keep you the 361 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: whole time. 362 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: No, it's not like they had an encore at the 363 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 2: end where you're waiting for the hit. No, they played 364 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: they played it in the set. 365 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: Interesting move. Yeah, so and then you're like, see. 366 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: You right, Okay, came for what I wanted. 367 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: Now like a woman move, I got what I wanted. 368 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: Now I'm out of here. 369 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: Now I'm leaving. Well, you know their their song hook. 370 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: It's actually kind of a tongue in cheek song, right, 371 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: catch you little because the hook brings you back, but 372 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: it's it's actually satire of all pop songs, and if 373 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: you listen to the lyrics of that, they don't really 374 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: mean anything. It's a literal statement about songwriting and a 375 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 2: metaphor about how people are just drawn to familiarity and 376 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: things that comfort them. 377 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 4: Uh. 378 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's take a break. We learned something about 379 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: our brains today that I feel we need to share 380 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: with the audience. Okay, because if you're not doing something, 381 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: it could be very bad for your brain. And I'm 382 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: in big trouble. 383 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: It's Kendall and Casey. I'm ninety three WYBC. 384 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is interesting. Poor sleep can age your 385 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: brain by a year. 386 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: If that's the case, I'm one hundred years old. 387 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: It's Kennelly, Casey, joh and Rob that's Casey. So study 388 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: Fines has this article that I guess some group in Sweden. 389 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: It's always Sweden, right, did some sort of study. They 390 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: studied brain scans and sleep patterns of more than twenty 391 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: seven thousand middle aged and older adults in the UK. 392 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: And what they found is the people who had poor 393 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: sleep habits had brains that looked older than their actual age. 394 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: Moderately, poor sleepers had brains about seven months older on average. 395 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: So again, I'm like a rotisserie chicken. I was just 396 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 2: flopping around. So that's the case. Yikes, I'm in for 397 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: some trouble. 398 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: Okay. How many hours a night do you. 399 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: Do I get sleep? Or do I try? 400 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? 401 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: Oh? 402 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: How much do you actually think you sleep in a night? 403 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: Probably four to five hours total? Yeah? Of actual sleep? 404 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: Do you I try to get at least six or seven? Now? No? 405 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: No, does that count your I know you cheat in 406 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: the middle of the day and take a nap. I 407 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: do you do? Do you count that as your total? 408 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: I get better sleep during the day than I do 409 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: at night. Well, that's what I'm asking I'm sure one 410 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 2: is because of the other. 411 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: But that's what I'm asking you. Is it when you're 412 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: when you say four to five hours, are you counting 413 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: your nap or you get four to five hours and 414 00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: my nap? 415 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: No, the four to five is just at night, right? 416 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: So collectively? How much would you say you sleep during 417 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: the day? 418 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: During the day when I don't have the total the 419 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: whole day casey, in a twenty four hour period, how 420 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 3: much would you say you sleep? 421 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: Probably six six and a half. 422 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I would guess that's in the middle ranger because 423 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: I don't they say you're supposed to get eight eight hours 424 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: of sleep total. Okay, more than half fell into the 425 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: intermediate category with two or three healthy sleep characteristics. They 426 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: base your sleep score on five key factors, being an 427 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: early bird rather than a night owl, getting seven to 428 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: eight hours of sleep per day, rarely experiencing insomnia, not snoring, 429 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: not feeling accessively sleepy during the day. 430 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 2: How about you, where would you score on this? 431 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: Well, Kevin and I were talking about this before we 432 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: went on the air. The problem I have Everything you 433 00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: ever asked me will start with. The problem I have 434 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: is I had such a weird like just existence for 435 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: so long where I was a self employed I was 436 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: a business owner, but I wasn't a business owner like 437 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: I have a factory that I go to every day 438 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: and I have to be there, Like I literally worked 439 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: out of my house for basically a decade. 440 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 2: So is it hard to turn it off? 441 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't like. I just sleep whenever I wanted. Okay, 442 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: my primary actual work was really like Fridays and Saturdays, 443 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: but during the week I didn't have I think most 444 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: people know this. I owned a company for years that 445 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: streamed high school and college sporting events on the internet 446 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: when I was very groundbreaking when you know, not everybody 447 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: had a cellular telephone in their hand or whatever. But 448 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: like I could, I could step up till three and 449 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: then I could sleep till noon. It was no problem. 450 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: Like it didn't it was time was time was irrelevant 451 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: to me. And the problem is I got used to 452 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: being able to do that, and now, as an adult 453 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: with responsibilities, I can't do that. But I think something 454 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: broken me. That was like depending on doing that, and 455 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: now they frown on you. If you just leave your 456 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: two year old to their own brothers and take a nap. 457 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 2: Yes, no, that's not so great. Can't do that. 458 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: What is the advantage of getting up early? That's what 459 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: I would love being. 460 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 2: An early bird because I don't notice I have something 461 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 2: to do with your rhythm. 462 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: What I can't figure out is this, So it's dark 463 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: now until like eight am in Indiana. When you drive, 464 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: you basically drive in the darkness. How is that an 465 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: advantage off I get up at five and it's dark 466 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: versus if I go to bed like it's still dark 467 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: like I guess in the summer, maybe more daylight hours, 468 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: more sunshine. I don't understand that though, what difference it 469 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: makes when you sleep, as long as you get the sleep. 470 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: The study said that men are more affected than women 471 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: by poor sleep and their brain aging. 472 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: Totally. I'd agree with that, you think, so do you ever. 473 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: Do you. 474 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: What? 475 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 2: Nearly sixty percent of the people who participated in this 476 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: study said that they had less than ideal sleep. Oh, 477 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: totally common issue, and I would think it's getting worse. 478 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: But I also think I have to factor in the 479 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: nap I take normally in the middle of the day, Like, 480 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: doesn't that count towards my sleep? 481 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: You're overall sleep for the day. 482 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: Like if I only get four or five hours of sleep, 483 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: but then I also get an hour an hour and 484 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: a half nap in the middle of the day, I 485 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: have to count that, right, because. 486 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your total days sleep, right, Well. 487 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: It's the same the same thing. My problem I have 488 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: is I wake up and I never used to do 489 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: this before. Livy is I wake up in the middle 490 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: of the night. Now, even though she sleeps through the night, 491 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: she's not a problem with this anymore. But I just 492 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: instinctively wake up in the middle of the night and 493 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: then like it takes me an hour to go back 494 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: to sleep. There's no rhyme or reason for it, like 495 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: I will like I will got at three fourteen this morning? 496 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: Did you check your phone when you woke up? 497 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: I have a pretty good idea of what time it is. 498 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know why, but I have a 499 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: pretty good even in the middle of the night, what 500 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: time it is. I did. I checked my phone and 501 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: it was right about what I thought. I've been asleep 502 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: for four hours or whatever, and I was right. But 503 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: then I just laid there for about an hour, and 504 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 1: then I finally went back to sleep, and then woke 505 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: up about six o'clock and was able to go on. 506 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: But I have this almost it's a reoccurring thing where 507 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: I wake up and then I don't go back to bed. 508 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: Now, when you check your phone, are you just checking 509 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: the time or are you getting on X and looking 510 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: at stories to see if there's any breaking news or 511 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 2: anything like that. 512 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: Here's the pattern. I wake up, I checked the phone, 513 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: I try to go back to sleep. I can't go 514 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: back to sleep. After about five minutes, I'm like, this 515 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: is boring. And then I get on the phone, which 516 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure then is the continuation of not being able 517 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: to go back to sleep, right because. 518 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: That blue light in the screen time. They say that 519 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: really is detrich mental to trying to sleep. 520 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: But I should be able to go back to sleep 521 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: once I've awakened from my sleep. I think that's where 522 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: the problem is is that I try to go back 523 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: to sleep and then I can't go back to sleep. 524 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, all right, Well you've got to improve your 525 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: sleep habit, right. They say that's a key tool to 526 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: protecting your brain health. Look at his brain especially as 527 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: we age. 528 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: Look at me, look at me. 529 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: You could also exercise, diet, mental stimulation that all affects 530 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 2: your brain health as well. I feel like the phone 531 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: and the TV that really affects people's sleep. Oh no, 532 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: doubt and worry as well. 533 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: Phones ruined everything for me. 534 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: That's a big factor into everything. So study finds. They 535 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: also did another study and they said one in five 536 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 2: pet owners carry at least two thousand dollars in pet 537 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 2: related debt. How much two thousand. 538 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: Dollars they allow you to rack up debt with your pet, 539 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: like if you go to the vet, go to the 540 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: vet or are they saying you got to put it 541 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: on your credit card and then you got to pay 542 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: it up. That's probably what they're saying. 543 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 2: Twenty four percent of owners say they're being priced out 544 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: of pet ownership. The lifetime cost of a pet thirty 545 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: two thousand dollars for a cat, thirty five thousand dollars 546 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: for a dog. 547 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: Thirty five grand for the entire time you own. 548 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: Lifetime cost of a pet, Yeah, of a dog. 549 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: That's probably right. Yeah, that's I mean. Yeah, Like food 550 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: is expensive. 551 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: Owning a large dog now average fifty two hundred dollars 552 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: a year, and an emergency vet visit Geez can cost 553 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: you nearly two thousand dollars. So a lot of owners 554 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: are saying they can't afford it anymore and the current 555 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: pet that they have will be their last pet. 556 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: Did you did you ever keep track over the course 557 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: of the year what it costs to have your kid, 558 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: like food, everything, Like, I'm going to do that. I 559 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: think next year, I'm going to keep trying. 560 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: January, I'm going to just keep. 561 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: A tab because I always tell Livy every every day, 562 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, now you owe me whatever. But I 563 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna do it for real and see what 564 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: it actually costs. Actually total it up over the course 565 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: of the year what it costs me. 566 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: She should have done that when she was born, because 567 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: that diaper cost is going to be a lot higher 568 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: in the formula cost which you're going. 569 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: That was a great, great moment in time when you 570 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: could get off the formula. That was just so much right, 571 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: so much cheaper. Yeah, no, that's fascinating. That is Uh, man, 572 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: everything sucks. Everything is just so expensive. 573 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: Oh yikes. Ninety four million US households now include a pet. 574 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: Two and three Americans say pets are part of the 575 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: American dream. Like when you when you think I have 576 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: achieved the American dream, owning a pet is part of that. 577 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: Why house is not big enough for animals and children? 578 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 2: Well, not that the child's walking and talking and having 579 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: her own opinion, Like I can't I can't wait for 580 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: those opinions to get louder and louder as she gets older. 581 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: Uh, it's gonna be great. Who here's how it's going 582 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: to work in our house when she goes to school. 583 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: Who's your dad? What's he do? I don't. I don't 584 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: know what he does for a living. That's what it's 585 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: gonna you know, That's what the way it's going to 586 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: be for us. I don't want her to know anything 587 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: about me until she reads about it on the internet someday. 588 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: That's the goal, though, you don't want to be in 589 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: the newspaper. So who gives more to charity? Cat owners 590 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: or dog? 591 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: Dog owners? No doubt that's correct. 592 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: Yeah cat No, actually no, I'm sorry, that's incorrect. Cattin Harvey, 593 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: cat owners donated fourteen times more. 594 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: I don't believe that for a second. 595 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, no way, that's what the study says. 596 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna put dog lover up against crazy catwoman and 597 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: we're telling you're telling me crazy catwoman beats dog Lover 598 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: in terms of charity. They're fourteen times. 599 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: Fourteen times more likely cat owners will give to charity, 600 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 2: but dog owners are more likely to give large. Your 601 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 2: one time gets frequently. 602 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, then we'll be pestered. 603 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: And the political leanings of a pet type you can 604 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 2: guess this. 605 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, more conservative dog owners and. 606 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: Cat owners tend to lean more democratic. Yeah. So we've 607 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: got Halloween coming up. I'm curious your thoughts on this. 608 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: Is Libby going to be in costume? Is she going 609 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: to be trick or treating? 610 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to do it. This year. We didn't 611 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: do it last year, but she's old enough now. I 612 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: think we'll do like the trunk or treat thing with Church. 613 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna let her go knock on 614 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: strangers doors, or I don't want to go out. 615 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: Do you know what what she's going to be dressed 616 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: up as. 617 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: Tyrant, So just a normal day outfit. 618 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: The top candy in America Snickers, Reese's Peanut butter Oh, 619 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: followed by Pena Eminem's and then kit Kats. 620 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: Stickers not even on the list, hunt say, the top 621 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: candy they're giving out or just the top the most. 622 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: Like America's favorite Halloween Halloween candy. 623 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,239 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, do you uh? I bet you don't get 624 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: many Tricker treaters in there. 625 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: We had candy last year and we didn't get a single, so. 626 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: You just had to eat it to dart it. 627 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: We did well when that happens. 628 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, Abdul is going to join us. Next, 629 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this interesting piece of James Briggs had 630 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: in the Indie Star yesterday about property taxes. Look, everyone 631 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: hates the property tax bill rightfully, so we'll talk about 632 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: it next with a duel. 633 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: It's Kendilly Casey on ninety three WYBC recording what help was. 634 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: What I wanted to be. 635 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 2: House this thing. 636 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: So we've been saying on this program for in the 637 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: last several months that property tax bill going to end 638 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: up doing a lot more harm than good. And our 639 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: next guest he agrees with that. It's Kittler Casey. Show up, 640 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: Rob case He's here joining us now in the WIBC hotline. 641 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: You know him as the ownered operator of Indiepolitics dot org. 642 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: The great Abdula keep shabas, Abdula, keep shabaz. 643 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 4: Hello, coming to you live from Detroit, Michigan this morning. 644 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh my choice or by force, a little bit of both. 645 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 4: I'm at an economic conference for journalists. So we've actually 646 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 4: talked about economics, decisions, consumers make choices, a whole one 647 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 4: yard text has been pretty good. Actually learn a bunch 648 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 4: of stuff. Go figure who knew? 649 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: Okay, So, speaking of economics, one of the economics of 650 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: the state of Indiana has been the stated goal, I 651 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: guess we will say, of the Governor Mike Brawn and 652 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: the General Assembly, to put more money back in the 653 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: pockets of hoosiers with these skyrocketing property tax bills and 654 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: in the most government thing ever, abduel, they managed to 655 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: pass a bill and Senate bill one that everybody sort 656 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: of other than the governor and the just like there 657 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: seems to universally hate. And now we're starting to see 658 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: the things that we've been saying on this program for 659 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: the last several months, which is it doesn't really provide 660 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: all that much relief, but the ramifications of it are 661 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: going to be immense. What say you yes? 662 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 4: And it's funny because one thing we're talking about my 663 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 4: conferences about choices and the choices consumers, consumers have to 664 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 4: make and making those choices with a finite number of resources. 665 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 4: So well, do I want this or do. 666 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 3: I want this? 667 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 4: And I do this and I got to give up this? 668 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 4: And I think, at a nutshell, that's what this property 669 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 4: tax debate discussion boils down to. We want less government, 670 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 4: but we don't want to pay for less government. And 671 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 4: in a nutshell, that's what the that's what the limit is. 672 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 4: We want a propery taxes cut. Okay, fine, but remember 673 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 4: prop texts pay for roads, schools, police infrastructure of the 674 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 4: whole nine yards. I'm all for I'm not for a 675 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 4: smaller big government, for a smarter, fisient government, and sometimes 676 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 4: governments got to spin more to take care of certain 677 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 4: things that need to be taken care of it sometimes 678 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 4: it can spend lesser turn over to the private sector. 679 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 4: So I think fundamentally that's what the dilemma is. You 680 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 4: can't who just are notorious and I've been here for 681 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 4: the twenty years. I want to do things on the 682 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 4: cheap now, like Center saying that bind every new shiny 683 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 4: object revenue tasma hall, school district or school building. However, 684 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 4: stuff costs money, and you've got choices you got to make. 685 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 4: You want the proper text cups. Okay, fine, if you 686 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 4: get that, then you can't get this. 687 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: Well, okay. So I think that And by the way, 688 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier in the program. James Briggs 689 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: has an article about this in the Indie Star and 690 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: about the cuts. And I'm not opposed to the cuts. 691 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: I like, I think it's a hard sell when you say, hey, 692 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: Brownsburg's got four field houses and two football stadiums now 693 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: and we're rebuilding a track because we build it in 694 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: the wrong direction twenty years ago. I don't think anything 695 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,800 Speaker 1: that those are necessities. I think when you're proposing spending 696 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars where I live on an amphitheater 697 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: and an EREC center and aquatic center. It's a hard 698 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: cell to say you're hurting. The issue I have with 699 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: it is I don't feel like they really gave people 700 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: much relieve. And now you've opened the Pandora's box. With 701 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: these local income tax increases that are available, a lot 702 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: of these schools are gonna be going for referendums. I 703 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: think people are gonna end up paying more in taxes 704 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: as a result of this bill. 705 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 4: And once again, that's a result of choices that were made. 706 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 4: We want proper tax caps, we want proper tax cuts. Okay, fine, 707 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 4: but so still has got to be paid for. And 708 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 4: here's the other thing too. Uh These these like I said, 709 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 4: the carmelo plays, other stuff once in these are result 710 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 4: of choices. People elected these people to be in office. 711 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 4: And you get what you're paid for and you get 712 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 4: what you vote for. So once again it goes back 713 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 4: to those choices that people made. You don't want the 714 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 4: the aquinair or the or nanatorium or this, then vote 715 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 4: the Bassa's out, but it keeps send them back in office. 716 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 4: So guess what you're rewarding their behavior? 717 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: Abdul is our guest. Find him over at any politics 718 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: dot org. We're talking about property taxes in the state 719 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: of Indiana. Is one of the problems because you've covered 720 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: Indiana politics and government for twenty years now. Is one 721 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: of the problems that Braun. I mean, yes, he was 722 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: in the legislature for a couple of years, but he 723 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: by and large has no idea the intricacies of state government, 724 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: how it all works, certainly from an executive position. And 725 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 1: let's face it, when you're dealing with something as complex 726 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,919 Speaker 1: as property taxes, it shouldn't be this complex, but they've 727 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: made it this complex. They being the governments over time, 728 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: you got to really know the ins and outs of 729 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: all this stuff, and you got to be able to 730 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: drive something home. Is the problem with Braun. One he 731 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: didn't have that knowledge, and two he never really was 732 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: all that passionate about property taxes. He sort of went 733 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: to that by force. 734 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 4: Well, my experience with Mike Bryan, Mike Brown has ever 735 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 4: been a legislature or type. Mike bron has always been 736 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 4: sort of that executive type. Like I said, he had 737 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 4: his own business, ran for governor, was in the Senate, 738 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 4: wasn't hacked with that, But like being one of one hundred, 739 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 4: Mike Bron likes being that executive type leader. However, if 740 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 4: you're going to be that execut type leader, you got 741 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 4: to do more than talk about, you know, innovation and entrepreneurship. 742 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 4: You know, I get all that because you O joke 743 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 4: is a shot. Every time Mike said entrepreneurship, I'd be 744 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 4: drunk in ten minutes. And you know what I'm talking about? 745 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 4: What that's it? You save government is it's it's complicated, 746 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 4: but in the way it should have should because change 747 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 4: wud be difficult to make because real change happens over 748 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 4: long periods of time, and so when change gets rushed, 749 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 4: things don't turn out the way they're supposed to, i e. 750 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 4: The property taxes, like I said, but once again, and 751 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 4: then you've got you know, you've got one hundred lawmakers, You've 752 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 4: got you know how many counties, how many townships, you 753 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 4: know how much government here in Indiana and it overlaps. 754 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 4: So it's a lot more complicated than I think the 755 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 4: Brown people thought it was going to be when they 756 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 4: came in. 757 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you've also got to want to do it, 758 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,959 Speaker 1: and you got to want to drive it, and you 759 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: you've got to be able to have it just seemed 760 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: like he so badly wanted to just check the box 761 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: that sometimes you got to It's like Reagan dealing with 762 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: the Soviets, right, you've got to be willing to walk away. 763 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: And when he got dealt this crappy bill that came 764 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: out of the General Assembly, instead of saying and doing that, 765 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: I'll see in a special session and we'll just keep 766 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: having them until we fix this, he just was so 767 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 1: desperate to get anything that he goes, Okay, cool, I'll 768 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: take this without sort of understanding the ramifications of the thing. 769 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 4: Well, sometimes when you really really want to win, sometimes 770 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 4: it's better to take the law. So then come back like, hey, 771 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 4: you know what, guys, we're not going to get this 772 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 4: done today. Let's do some temporary property text credits to 773 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 4: help folks with the assessments. Then let's come back and 774 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 4: get this thing done the right way. Because sometimes when 775 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 4: when we try dow things early, you actually you can 776 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 4: you can technically messings up even more so are trying 777 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 4: to fix things on the cheek. 778 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: Find him over at indiepolitics dot org. He'll be back 779 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,320 Speaker 1: with us next week in person. You will keep Shabaz, 780 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:42,959 Speaker 1: Thank you. 781 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 4: Thank you, my friend. 782 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to do it for us today. Thank 783 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: you to you for listening. You're the most important part 784 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: of the equation. Without you, there is no us. Great 785 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: job by Kevin, great job by Casey, and we will 786 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. Stick around, Tony Katz. Coming up next, 787 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: Kettle A Casey Show, ninety three WIBC.