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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us again. We hope we had a great weekend. Later,

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Speaker 1: black politics expert doctor James Taylor will join us. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Taylor will discuss what he terms the white blacklash in politics.

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Speaker 1: You'll analyze the Supreme Court hearing that could decrease black

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Speaker 1: representation in politics. Also talk about California's Proposition fifty, white

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Speaker 1: nationalism and the white Church, and more. But before we

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Speaker 1: hear from doctor Taylor, AI advisor and educator, doctor Denise

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Speaker 1: Turley will join us. So I'm gonna tell the gang

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Speaker 1: interventists and journalists. Manie Spelman will check in. But let's

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Speaker 1: get Kevin to ordin up the classroom doors on this end.

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Speaker 1: And that's my name, that's your name. Yeah, I lost

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Speaker 1: your day just thinking about the football game.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think about you all that game because

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys put on the clinic they did.

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Speaker 3: They did. Sometimes you win some, you learn some, and

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Speaker 3: sometimes your opponent is your instructor.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's where they prepared to be great.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was beautiful weather, though good graces made

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Speaker 3: my television look like it was expensive or something. All

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Speaker 3: the sunshine and you know, the burgundy and gold in

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Speaker 3: contrast to the blue and white. And I'm convinced that

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Speaker 3: the Cowboys cheerleaders or have the best uniform in cheerleading business.

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Speaker 3: Apparently they just looked great. Everything looked great except the game.

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Speaker 1: And shut the game. You know what, game sort of

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Speaker 1: looked like it looked like it's to longer. Look kind

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Speaker 1: of like in slow motion to you, didn't it take

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Speaker 1: sort of? I don't know, but maybe it was wrong,

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Speaker 1: maybe because you know the score and what was going on,

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Speaker 1: the domination, but it looked looked like a slow punishment.

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Speaker 1: It was like it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, man, it was just it looked like a

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Speaker 3: drag for a bit. Too many replays of the casualties.

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Speaker 3: They were replaying everything. However, I haven't seen a touchback

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Speaker 3: and I don't think I've ever seen a professional touch back,

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Speaker 3: and I've heard of them. But that first two points

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Speaker 3: that the defense got, which was pretty encouraging at the

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Speaker 3: beginning of the game. And how does that work?

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Speaker 1: Actually, well, you know, it speaks to the teams are

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Speaker 1: so well coached these days. They don't necessarily make those

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Speaker 1: kind of mistakes. You know, you'll see sometimes you'll see

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Speaker 1: it at the high school level and very real. Do

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Speaker 1: you see that the college level as well, So definitely

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Speaker 1: not much of the professional level that you see the touchback,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, it was interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Here's another thing though, that Kevin quarterback is out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah man, oh yeah, you're breaking news.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something about his h and that is achilles

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Speaker 3: and his hamstring. That's it. Jaden Daniels injured his hamstring

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Speaker 3: in the game versus the Cowboys and it looks like

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Speaker 3: he might be out for a while. And Marioto is

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Speaker 3: back to lead the team again unless he hurts himself.

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Speaker 3: And then there's the guy Josh Johnson who's next, So

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Speaker 3: you know, guess it's the guys with the alliteration in

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Speaker 1: But here's the deal to it. Jon Daniel's mom was

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Speaker 1: upset after the game. I know if you heard this,

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Speaker 1: because people are comparing him to RGI three. You know,

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Speaker 1: Archie three had a great first year, then he flamed

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Speaker 1: She was upset. She don't compare my son to RG three,

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Speaker 1: you know, because now he's injured sort of like RG

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Speaker 1: He's not RG three.

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Speaker 3: Well the comparison I made, you know, not of the individuals.

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Speaker 3: It's something about the playbook that's got the quarterback running

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Speaker 3: more than he needs to be. It seems to me

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Speaker 3: it's something there's that play. There's that play leads to

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Speaker 3: the quarterback being heart that's what That's what it seems

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Speaker 3: to mean. Because Jade and Daniel was already heard. He

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Speaker 3: There's a play that's not working out now. Never mind

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Speaker 3: the fact that the guy in the Cowboys team, you know,

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Speaker 3: it was overly rough with the quarterback. Yeah no, there's that.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully rough, intimidating. That's what they did, you know, because

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Speaker 1: this your second year. But what's interesting, though, Kevin, is

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Speaker 1: that next week they played the Chiefs. The Chiefs. The

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the Chiefs beat the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Yep, thirty one zip. So you know, Raiders couldn't get

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Speaker 1: So man, watch that.

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Speaker 3: Quite a shut out there. Like I said, you win

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Speaker 3: some or you learn some. Hey look, speaking of learning,

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Speaker 3: what about the note kings nationwide protests? Uh, there were

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Speaker 3: the subways were all filled of people with flags and

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Speaker 3: that it wouldn't be misconstrued as a violent protest. They

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Speaker 3: they say that it was designed to be to show

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Speaker 3: flags and the demonstrators said no kings, no tyrants, and

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Speaker 3: it's representing the freedom the US was founded upon, you know,

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Speaker 3: in certain circles. And then the Trump administration and the

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Speaker 3: Republican lawmakers weighed in. House Speaker Mike Johnson slam the

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Speaker 3: Saturday's protests as a hate America rally. You know, they

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Speaker 3: Connecticut House Republican leader Vincent Candelora told the Connecticut Public

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Speaker 3: that he considered the no kings message protest divisive. He

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Speaker 3: also doesn't share protesters concerns, but supports their right to

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Speaker 1: But you know what I was looking for, Kevin, I

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Speaker 1: was looking for our folks. That's always, you know. I

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Speaker 1: guess that's that's a trait that I have, whether they're

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Speaker 3: Man, And you know, think about it, isn't yeah that

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Speaker 3: was interested? This is their fight, right, Yeah, it seems

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Speaker 1: See that's that's something we probably asked doctor Taylor about

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Speaker 1: because it seems like university of black folks, said, were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sitting this one out. And again getting back to

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Speaker 3: the NPR article, they're talking about the peaceful protest people

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Speaker 3: were singing songs. They said there was a group that

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Speaker 3: sang the song from the play Hamilton, and the song

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Speaker 3: tonight as they begin their protests. So this is really interesting,

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Speaker 3: Carl and I don't feel that we need to be

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Speaker 3: them get this straight. Yeah, they'd love for us to

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Speaker 3: be out there, right. They they've even tried to do

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Speaker 3: out that it was doctor. It was ai picture that

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Speaker 3: seems like somehow, universally, our folks have just figured out, hey, man,

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Speaker 3: we're sitting this one out. Y'all got that that's your fight? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 3: they're protesting Ice, and ICE is doing all kinds of

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they've been doing that, man, You know.

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Speaker 3: And I heard that five thousand members of ICE quit,

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Speaker 3: you know because of this protest. There's no King's rallies,

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Speaker 3: So you know, let's stay tuned for that and see

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Speaker 3: what else is coming up. Meanwhile, we've got my friend

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Speaker 3: of yours, Malik Spelman, standing by. Let's see what he thinks. Huh.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk to the brother Malik, Grand Rising,

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Speaker 1: Brother Malik. Welcome back to the program's.

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Speaker 5: City Guards and the Earth.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you all, And I'm just tell the family.

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Speaker 1: Malik is a long time friend of a journalist. He's a

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Speaker 1: gang intervention and he's one of these few brothers. The

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Speaker 1: That's that's the that's his slice of the pie, if

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Speaker 1: you will. He decided to do this as part of

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Speaker 1: his Professionalism's he worked on all levels of media, print, TV, radio,

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Speaker 1: the whole nine yards, podcasting, He's done it all, and

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Speaker 1: that's what he does. He reports because those of the

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Speaker 1: and many of them once they got, you know, to

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Speaker 1: some of them deserve to be there. We got to

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Speaker 1: say that, and oftentimes some of them listen to the

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Speaker 1: this show on the iPod. iPod, yeah, iPod until they

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Speaker 1: grand rising to you out there early morning out there,

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Speaker 1: because I know, uh, in captivity is deep and they

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Speaker 1: want to find out what's going on on the outside.

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Speaker 1: But brother Malik, I understand you've got You've got a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought that it would be interesting since I'm

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Speaker 6: always you know, conversion with you all about this situation,

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Speaker 6: the brothers incarcerated and the overwhelming amount of damage that

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Speaker 6: that told Jerry Curl error created in regards to gangs

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Speaker 6: and drugs. But I've always talked to you guys about

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Speaker 6: people who have done astronomical amounts.

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Speaker 1: I tell you, well, hold that though, right there, Melie,

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Speaker 1: before you bring on the brother tell us about that

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Speaker 1: Jerry Curl issue. Uh, And you know I used to

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Speaker 1: watch that one Why white brothers been getting a Jerry Curl?

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Speaker 1: But good goodhead is Kevin? You're still listening? If Vin

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Speaker 1: I knew that Kevin have a Jerry Carle, got a guy.

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Speaker 3: Jerry Curle, high up fade, yeah, everything, everything but shaved head.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, well that's what I figured you would

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Speaker 6: Bro Absolutely no. I came out of family planning by accident.

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Speaker 3: And then Chris ront got in trouble for doing a

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Speaker 6: Remember that my thing is my thing is you know?

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Speaker 6: Now I'll just say Clive, Baby South for now. I'll

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Speaker 3: J You mean Elijah Spellman, right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold I thought that, fella s, we're all to

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Speaker 1: Milik is a journalist. He's also a gang interventionist. He

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for waking up with us

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Speaker 1: on this Monday morning. I guess the Malik spelling Milik

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Speaker 1: to discuss about this Jerry Curle era that we went through,

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Speaker 1: whether we survived you were blessed with good here. I

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Speaker 1: Connect the dots for the Milik.

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Speaker 6: I believe that Jerry coll because I watched it from

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Speaker 6: So I bought him. I'm gonna say aka formerly pry

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Speaker 1: All right, before we go there, let me just remind

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Speaker 1: of the person I was saying, Well, Willie Morrow. He

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Speaker 1: When I say a lot of money, he spent a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm going to introduce him, and then as well,

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Speaker 6: I have my son, Elijah's spelman on the line. And

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Speaker 6: this is something that'll be an exclusive to the Carl

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Speaker 4: So we'll go from.

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Speaker 6: There, but salvaging. Please introduce yourself to this wonderful listening audience.

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Speaker 6: That's been anticipating your arrival back to society for over

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Speaker 7: Yes, sir, my government name is Ernest Rondelle grand Berry

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Speaker 7: In regards to the Jerry Carroll era, Meligue, I have

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Speaker 7: to say that was an interesting take that you had

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Speaker 7: So that's something to think about my experience with that.

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Speaker 1: My contribution well, hold I though right there, and hold

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Speaker 1: I thought right there, brother, because many of us have

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Speaker 7: Well, without going into great details, it was the robbery

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Speaker 1: And at that how did that make you feel though?

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Speaker 1: Because you didn't pull the trigger? Shout? Which how did

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, I'm fair, but I didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: did that make you feel when you upset with your

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Speaker 7: Surprisingly not uh I have to, I have to, I

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Speaker 7: I was a very ignorant young man at the time.

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Speaker 7: you know, now, I understand a budget nonsense did caught

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Hold, I thought right there. Hold, I thought, right there,

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Speaker 1: what time in that process did you say, wow, that

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Speaker 1: And what changes around? Because you mentioned now you've got

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Speaker 7: Well, let me let me clarify something which even allowed

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Speaker 7: the heart. And you know, it doesn't matter what you

435
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 7: know or experience. If it doesn't reach the heart, it

436
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 7: doesn't take root, you understand. And so I was fascinated

437
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 7: by the streets, even though I had that background, I

438
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 7: was fascinated by the streets. I was fascinated by guns.

439
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 7: I was fascinated by the girls. The tough guys had

440
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 7: all the girls. And so you know, I got caught

441
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 7: up in that, just like all the other catch that

442
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 7: was in my little crew, so to speak. And so

443
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 7: I gravitated towards Crippin. But I want to get back

444
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 7: to if you don't mind, you ask me how I

445
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 7: felt at that young age getting all that time. And

446
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 7: this is something that's very important, I think, and this

447
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 7: show won't give us enough time to really delve into it.

448
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 7: But the psychology of the young black male and female

449
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 7: mind just caught up in those streets. It's something that

450
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 7: needs to be studied more. And for me, the fascination

451
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 7: is what got me, and it's what gets a lot

452
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 7: of our youth. But it's not just the fascination. It's

453
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 7: trauma connected to all of this nonsense. So all of

454
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 7: the cats that I knew, with very few exceptions, they

455
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 7: were victims of trauma. You know, and they addressed their

456
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 7: trauma by trying to find or feel empty stations in

457
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 7: their lives with alcohol, with drugs, with guns and excitement.

458
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 7: And I was of those who got caught up into that.

459
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 7: And so when I went to fifty and I saw

460
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 7: it as a badge. Now that sion is very ignorant

461
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 7: right now, but you know, I remember in the county jail, uh,

462
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 7: we were all in the tank is nothing but crips,

463
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 7: and everybody was talking about what they was gonna do

464
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 7: when they went to prison. And I remember thinking, well, hey,

465
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 7: it's homies up there. They run everything. So I'm gonna

466
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 7: I'm I'm gonna go up there and kick it with

467
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 7: the homies. It was this is the type of mentality

468
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 7: that a lot of us had. We were lost, brother,

469
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 7: we were so lost, we were so caught up. And

470
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 7: it still exists today. But it's it's like it's own steroids.

471
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 8: Right.

472
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 7: We have a generation today that although they are violent

473
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 7: and they have a lot of the same traits that

474
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 7: we had doing the Jerry turl era. We live in

475
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 7: the area now where guns have what do they call

476
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 7: them they call the things where they they shoot rapidly,

477
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 7: and you know, a switching, thank you. I would say,

478
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 7: they got switches, and these guys they got they make

479
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 7: these crazy amounts of money from just underground wrap, not

480
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 7: even going mainstream. And you know they got these scams

481
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 7: or these guys that's making ten twenty thousand dollars a week.

482
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 7: We didn't have any of that, you know what I'm saying.

483
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 7: And so the stakes are higher now and the youth

484
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 7: will kill you over absolutely nothing now. And see, back

485
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 7: in my era, at least we had some moticum of

486
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 7: structure and purpose. We were retaliating against a particular thing

487
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 7: that happened or something like. For me, I was the

488
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 7: East Coast cript. Our arch enemies were Swans. We lived

489
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 7: side by side and you went to the same schools

490
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 7: and everything, and so we knew where everybody lived. So

491
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 7: we didn't just go around he man, I'm gonna go

492
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 7: kill some swans, or vice versa, I'm gonna go kill

493
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 7: some ofice coaches, because we knew where your mama lived,

494
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 7: we knew where your present lived. And so for us,

495
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 7: there was purpose behind a lot of diviners. And I'm

496
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 7: not justifying any of it because ultimately it was all

497
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 7: ignorant and based upon fractricide and self hatred. But that's gone.

498
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 7: So now you have crips fighting crips, blood fighting blood.

499
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 7: They made a treaty with the Mexicans and are still

500
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 7: fighting each other, which is another thing. That just that's

501
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 7: why I'm in the streets doing what I'm doing. That's

502
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 7: one of the main reasons. And the brother Spelman contacting me.

503
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 7: I've been hearing about this brother. I've been reading this

504
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 7: article when I was in prison. I was telling him.

505
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 7: He didn't even know this, but the brother shake Muhammad

506
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 7: ib Duda, one of my teachers, he used to cut

507
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 7: out the articles that the brother did in his editorial

508
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 7: in the for the Sentinel. There was the Black the

509
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 7: premier black paper at the time, and I used to

510
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 7: pass them all out through Printon in the hole because

511
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 7: we didn't have proper literature at the time, and so

512
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 7: when we would get these snippets in the article, it

513
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 7: would educate us, you know. And but getting back hold

514
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 7: up to.

515
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: All right there at twenty seven away from the top there,

516
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: brother Malik, as I mentioned the family just waking up.

517
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: I guess his brother in Malik Spelman. He's a journalist.

518
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: He's also an anti gang intervention, and she's helping the

519
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters every once they getting incarcerated and tries

520
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: to help him before they get incarcerated and then helps

521
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: them when they get out. So and as I mentioned,

522
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: he's worked on all levels of media, including print. As

523
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: the brother just mentioned, the Sentinels, the Los Angeles, the

524
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: major black paper in the cell in California. Brother Malik,

525
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: what kind of articles were you did you know the

526
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: sort of resonated with the brothers inside.

527
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 6: Well, I tried to with the help of mister Danny Bakewell,

528
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 6: I was able to utilize a certain section of the

529
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 6: newspaper to facilitate bringing attention to the Jerry Curw generation

530
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 6: that was buried in the prison industrial complex. And as

531
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 6: a result of that, articles became contraband in the prisons

532
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 6: and some institutions. If you got caught with some of

533
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 6: my articles, all praise is due to a rot. But

534
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 6: on the on the contrary, I think that you know,

535
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 6: I was incarcerated before, and I know what the feeling was.

536
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 6: I was in the belly of the beast as Jonah

537
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 6: inside the whale, and I know and understand that this

538
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 6: Jerry curl error was something that was never heard of

539
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 6: in the imagination of black people. So consequently, I just

540
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 6: wanted to bring some attention to these brothers in the

541
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 6: era because of the influence that they have around the world.

542
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 6: As Minster Firecomb once stated that Hollywood had the cameras

543
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 6: on the world. Now the world has the cameras on Hollywood.

544
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 6: So everything that the brothers and sisters do in California

545
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 6: is now being done in other states crips, bloods, and

546
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 6: other activity that's not necessarily conducive to our survival as

547
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 6: of people. But for the most part, Carl, you know,

548
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 6: if I were to just add of the brothers that

549
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 6: I shook hands with at the Taste of Soul this

550
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 6: weekend that's been incarcerated, it would come up to over

551
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 6: seven hundred years. Oh wow, I know people right now

552
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 6: that baby sald was in prison with some of my homies.

553
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 6: Rayfield had double life plus ninety seven years. You know

554
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 6: that Bill brother Salve.

555
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 5: Because I want to be oh, well before I go any.

556
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 6: Further, Carl, and then this is appropriate because I try

557
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 6: to use class distinction. But they let this brother out

558
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 6: of prison with less than two hundred dollars, and I'm

559
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 6: talking to your audience and I'm begging you. They let

560
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 6: him out with nothing, Send him something, post his number

561
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 6: called if you can, so that way she doesn't have

562
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 6: to come back, because these are the saving lives and

563
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 6: he's an asset to this community. And the brother needs

564
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: an apartment and everything. They literally put you out on

565
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 6: the streets with nothing, and when you do forty years

566
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 6: and stuff like that, you come out of your people gone,

567
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 6: They gone. I got ten or twenty new people that

568
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 6: I try to look out for every day, and I

569
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 6: need y'all's help. Get this brother's number. He doesn't have

570
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 6: the pay.

571
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: Palent right, we'll do that before he leaves. And let

572
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,239
Speaker 1: me just say this is the family, because we're come

573
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: up on a breaker. I check the news. Brother Malik

574
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: had it, you know, as I mean, she's worked at

575
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: all levels of media, and we had him on our

576
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: radio station there and I remember the fight to get

577
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: the show on. It called Peace Treating because but then

578
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: probably for those folks listening around the country, and there

579
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: was all this gang shootings with the crips and the

580
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: Bloods in LA and it was just outrageous, these young

581
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: people killing each other, and I you know, had some

582
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: pushback because they didn't want to do it. Well, if

583
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: they come up here, what if they're smoking weed or

584
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: if they're bringing liquor in the radio station, we could

585
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: lose our livens and all that stuff. My retort was,

586
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: so what if we save just one life, what if

587
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: we can just help? So we said, well, they's on you.

588
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: You have to go up there every Sunday with them.

589
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: And so that's that's how the show started. Peace Treaty

590
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: and we probably had half of the the young black

591
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: folks in LA listening. They were in front of the

592
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: radio station blasting the show so loud that he were verberated,

593
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: and it was in feedback, and that was outside of

594
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 1: the building, and the roads were blocked off, and all

595
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: the Milik of the Testa this and all the folks

596
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: they're on Crunchaw. It's a major strip in Los Angeles,

597
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: kind of like Georgia Avenue in DC, the major thru

598
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: way through the community. That's where it was. And there

599
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: were so many people out there every Sunday and trying

600
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: to help these these brothers and sisters get straight. But anyway,

601
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, we got to take to take a

602
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: quick break here. We got to take the latest news, trafficing, weather,

603
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: in our different cities. It's twenty three minutes away from

604
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: the top of the our family. Guess these maligue spellingist's

605
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: got some brothers and sisters from the inside out. That's

606
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: what he works with. We'll take it calls for them next. Hey,

607
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: grand Rising family, thanks of waking up with us on

608
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: this Monday morning at seventeen minutes away from the top

609
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: of the O. I guess he's a Malik's spellman. He's

610
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: a journalist and also he works with brothers and sisters

611
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: inside out. And we'll get back to in the moment.

612
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: Let me just remind you. Coming up later this morning,

613
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: we can speak with black politics expert doctor James Taylor

614
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: for the University of San Francisco. Also, were going to

615
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: speak with AI advice and educated doctor Denise Turley. We're

616
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: going to talk about artificial intelligence. And later this week

617
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: in here from Morgan State Professor doctor Rae Wimbush, the

618
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: Million Women March is Sister Flay will be here. You

619
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: know they we talked about the Million Man March Anniversary

620
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: last week. Well, the William Women's March anniversarys coming up

621
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: as well. Also, we're going to talk with National Black

622
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Association Black Farmers President. That will be John Boyd. They

623
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: have some issues with the Trump administration. They're having a conference,

624
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: so we're going to talk to him about that. And

625
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: Grill Boba lamouve out on Moja House in DC old joinas.

626
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you rate

627
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: us lots and tight on ten ten WLB or if

628
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: you're in the DMV, we're on fourteen fifty WL. All right,

629
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: brother Malik, I'm gonna let you go ahead and finish

630
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: your thought.

631
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 5: Yeah if I can.

632
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 6: I'm wondering if my son is still on the line,

633
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 6: because you know, he has to go to work and stuff.

634
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: But see if he's on the line because he wanted

635
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: to Elijah. Are you still with us, Elijah? Who seems

636
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: like we may have lost him?

637
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: Brother?

638
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 4: All right, so this is what I wanted to do.

639
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 6: I have also, as I told you before the break

640
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 6: at the Taste of Soul, I shook hands with some

641
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 6: of my friends had recently gotten out, and they probably

642
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 6: equal to about seven hundred years and that may have

643
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 6: been five or six people.

644
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: And all I thought right there because let me just

645
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: tell a family the Taste of Soul is it's twenty

646
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: years now, it's a bigger found in LA. There were

647
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: all these the community comes together and through the major

648
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: drag in South LA and it's being free. There's no problems.

649
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of they made of the man marsh All,

650
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: these black folks coming together.

651
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: They have.

652
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: Not parties, but they are all these different events that

653
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: take place around the Taste of Soul. Of course, there's

654
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: a lot of food out there, a lot of restaurants,

655
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of everything out there, entertainment

656
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, but that's what happened on Saturday, I mean,

657
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: and it was to put on by the Los Angeles

658
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: sendel on a Danny Bakele, who brother Malik used to

659
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: write for the newspaper. But go ahead, brother Malik.

660
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I have.

661
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 6: Another guest do I'm wondering if he's still all named Tone.

662
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 6: Tony's still there, Yeah, I'm here. Yeah, this is brother Tone,

663
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 6: also one of my colleagues that was replacing my writing

664
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 6: and the Sentinel as a substitute right when I was

665
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 6: unable to do it anymore. But Tone introduced herself to

666
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 6: the audience and if you can, you know, to give

667
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 6: him give them an idea what you went through as

668
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 6: a young man and that Jerry Curle growing up in

669
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 6: the streets of Los Angeles, as well as the fact

670
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 6: that how difficult it is just getting out of not

671
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 6: having any finances, any real opportunities that you may want

672
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 6: to do to continue your freedom.

673
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: Oh oh, I'm very grateful for this opportunity to express myself.

674
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: Jerry curl Era, that's a very dominant area in my life.

675
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 4: I grew up in the seventies and the eighties. I

676
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: caught that Jerry curroll era with the good fred oil

677
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: that turns your hair red. And not one of the

678
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: recipients that good fred oil they used to turn my

679
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 4: hair red, but getting them Jerry crew bags. But yeah,

680
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 4: that's that Eddy Era was a significant era.

681
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 5: In my life.

682
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: It also was an air that helped corral me to

683
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: the industrial prison complex, you know, believing in that blue

684
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: Santa claus in Los Angeles. Coming up in them times,

685
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 4: it was a very challenging time for a young black

686
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: men trying to do the right thing, especially for one

687
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 4: who really wasn't trying to do the right thing. Like

688
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: I said, I ended up in the industrial complex of

689
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: thirty one years in and out trying to figure it out.

690
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 4: Last ten years when they started to put the R

691
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 4: on the rehabilitation, I had a chance to engage in

692
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: several classes and start changing my belief system a little bit.

693
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: And I used that to motivate me to change my

694
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: life in order to be released through the parole board

695
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 4: after thirty one years. And upon my release, I find well.

696
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 1: Before you get your release here, I got a question

697
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: for you. Twelve away from the top of app brother,

698
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: at what point did you say, I'm going down the

699
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: wrong path? I made a huge mistake?

700
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: Was it? When?

701
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: When did that Eureka situation hit him? Like, Wow, I'm

702
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: in the joint here, I'm not coming out. At what

703
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: point do you say, Wow, I got to make.

704
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 4: A change about about twenty two years in What was it? What? What?

705
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: What prompted it? Though? Was it something special or was

706
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: it gradual or was it overnight?

707
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 4: It was a gradual process for me, because, like I say,

708
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: I was entwined in the blue philosophy, that failed narrative,

709
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 4: that crypt narrative, and it still had me incarcerated while

710
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: I was in jail. So I was in jail inside

711
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: of jail, So I started to read a few books

712
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 4: and educating myself, and I started to see my value

713
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 4: a little bit more, and I started noticing that this

714
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: crypt platform wasn't big enough for my dreams even though

715
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 4: I was incarcerated living in a dream graveyard. God, God

716
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: let my dreams die. So after I start educating myself

717
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: a bit, I start valuing myself and I started noticing, Hey,

718
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: a lot of the guys I'm surrounding myself with, they

719
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: don't value yourself. And even though we from the same

720
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: tribe we believe in the same things, I really don't

721
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: believe to the extent they believe. Because I'm starting to

722
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: value myself and educating myself, and with that knowledge, I

723
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: started seeing the difference in me. And then by just

724
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 4: me wanting to educate myself and not play dominos and

725
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: games and politics all the time, and doing that, I

726
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: start getting a little value on. I start seeing this

727
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: platform was not built and design for somebody with big

728
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: dreams and desires. Because I don't have anybody in my

729
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: peripheral vision I could see that believe what I believe,

730
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 4: that's real successful the way I believe God put me

731
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: in a purpose to be so acknowledging that I start seeing, like, damn,

732
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 4: not a lot of people who believe what I believe

733
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: is successful. So made me start questioning my beliefs. And

734
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 4: once I start questioning, that led doubt and then over years,

735
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 4: the cracks and crevices start betting wider.

736
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: And then yeah, yeah, I hear that, Jo, And I'm

737
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: glad you're telling that, because we've got a lot of

738
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: young people listening and they're going down the same path

739
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: and they don't know because they're all caught up in

740
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: their feelings about their tribe and helping the brothers and

741
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: the brotherhood. I get that, and I'm glad that you're

742
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: sharing this journey with us. But one, do you have

743
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: any regrets? And too, do you think you that was

744
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: part of what your destiny that you got in trouble

745
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: got and then came out a better person? Answer both

746
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: of those questions for us, Well, I.

747
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 4: Believe everything having full reason and it's good and as God.

748
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 4: And I don't want to get in and be sound

749
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: too religious, because I'm not. I'm very spiritual, but I

750
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 4: believe that everything happen for a reason, and everything culminated

751
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: to this point of why we're speaking right now. So

752
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: I believe it's all designed and it's all written, But

753
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: we do have a responsibility and making sure that we

754
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 4: live out our purpose, and sometimes our purpose is going

755
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 4: through that route for we can be a blueprint and

756
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: a guy for those who are going that route to

757
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: show change. So I understand that I'm a different kind

758
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: of human being, and my struggles and the storms in

759
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: my life, the rains dropped, the dream drops hit me bigger.

760
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 4: So it storms on me a little harder than most

761
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: men through my experiences. But also notice that when the sunshine,

762
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: I get more raised than most men. That kept me

763
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: going and kept me going through my whole time spiritually.

764
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 4: But I realized the narrative was a feeled narrative, and

765
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 4: it was real hard for me to cut myself looser

766
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 4: because I don't know anything. I have built all my

767
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: reputation and all my data in my name and in

768
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 4: this community that I once believed in, and then try

769
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 4: to leave that and be becoming nobody. But I know

770
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: data when people say your name and a place that's

771
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: so violent, and your name and your reputation carries with

772
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: you more than anything, so whole that thought.

773
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: Right, that that's important. What he just said, Emilie, I'm

774
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: bringing you here eight away from the top. That what

775
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: he's saying what we're seeing it now being displayed. What

776
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: he did was on the streets, now we're seeing it

777
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: on the internet. We're seeing people say and do things

778
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: on the internet just to get likes. And this is

779
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: basically what the brother was saying. He cared more about

780
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: his personal reputation. Can you address that for us, brother Malik.

781
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 6: Oh, definitely, during that Jerry call era, you put more

782
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 6: investment in to your gang name and your street name

783
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 6: and the name that your mama gave you. So there

784
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 6: was no investment into doctor Tone or doctor sal or

785
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 6: doctor Spelman. All our investments was then to you know,

786
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 6: representating the carnage in our community and being a part

787
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 6: of it. Because there's two things you're going to be

788
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 6: in this game, a pimp or how a victim or

789
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 6: a culprit. And we was taught that and then we

790
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 6: was based I thing was based on no emotions. You know,

791
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 6: to watch a man die and watch his family cry

792
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 6: was a good day for us in our life speaking collectively,

793
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 6: you know, and Quie Baby salth can have tested that.

794
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 6: And also you know, unfortunately coming to the top of hour,

795
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: because I got about three or four homies on it

796
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 6: that did over fifty years. They want to chime in

797
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 6: for the most part of pry Baby salth can a

798
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 6: test to the fact that that Jerry Kerr error with

799
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 6: these two brothers coming from two separate communities. I've already

800
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 6: introduced you to two dudes that'd done over seventy years combined.

801
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 6: Just they don't did more time than Mandela.

802
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 9: Will be here.

803
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 6: Are you understanding what they did to us in the

804
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 6: prison industrial complex. That's why they will never allow black

805
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 6: people in Los Angeles in particular, to carry firearms because

806
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 6: one of the interrupted prison industrial complex, it'll get rid

807
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 6: of their enhancements and courts, and they're not ready for

808
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: a free slave to jump out like they do in

809
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 6: Texas or Florida and have these jumpers with these firearms

810
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 6: legal and legal cars and bank accounts and stuff like that.

811
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 6: That's counterproductive. Our shaff Is only released fifteen concealed weapons permits,

812
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 6: and they keep us on perpetual parole or perpetual criminal

813
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 6: status in California for the rest of our lives. After

814
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 6: they disarmed Is at the age of twelve, took our Second.

815
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: Amendment rights and other rights, and family just joined us.

816
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Is six minutes away from the top of the hour,

817
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: and if you've know a pression in your life or

818
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: in your block that you see going down the wrong way,

819
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: get a copy of this podcast and share with them.

820
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: Because what these brothers and this is why we have

821
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: these brothers on because nobody seems to be able to

822
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: reach our young people, and there's a lot of young

823
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: people are doing. What these brothers who've done a chunk

824
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: of time and missing lives out of their lives, you know,

825
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: part of the prison pipeline system the brother Malik reports about,

826
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: and now they're here to tell us that, hey, it's

827
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: not you know, earlier mentioned that one of the brothers

828
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: mentioned that going going to the joint was you know,

829
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: he was going to these homies were up there, and

830
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna be happy. It's like going to grad school

831
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: and all your friends who went there before. You're gonna

832
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna hang out and have fun. It's no fun.

833
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: This is what this is why we have these brother

834
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: Malik and these brothers are on this morning to tell

835
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: our young people it's no fun. You know, going going

836
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: to jail, prison is not a joke. This is a reality.

837
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: It's something that we have to address. Because he said

838
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: once you get caught up in that system, you're almost

839
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: written off. But this is where Malik comes in. He

840
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: tries to help them once they get out. Explain that

841
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: for us, brother, Malik, how you how you you know

842
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: how you chose this happen? Because you could as a journalist,

843
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: you could, you could be on the radio, you can

844
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: be still writing the newspapers, you could. You probably got

845
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: your own podcast show buying now. But you still chose

846
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: to help these brothers and sisters who made the wrong turn.

847
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 5: Why that's what both to do this to these brothers

848
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 5: that you're talking to years ago?

849
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: Can I help him speak on that this tone?

850
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 10: Well?

851
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: As one of the recipients of his help, I met

852
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 4: Leak Leak several years ago when we hit it off.

853
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: My goal I had a community center called Change this

854
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 4: Community helping all needing GUIDs in innisation to support and

855
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 4: when I started that from prison, Malik was a great

856
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 4: asset in guiding me and helping me start something positive

857
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: in the neighborhood that I once destroyed.

858
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 8: And upon my.

859
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: Grand opening, I never forget Malik came up there and

860
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 4: supported me ever since I got it off the ground.

861
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 4: And also we also collaborated. I wrote a book called

862
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 4: to Bang or Not to Bang, a book of questions,

863
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: and this is used in Socratic method to try to

864
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: reach youth and adults, to try to give him questions,

865
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 4: not answers, because questions are the answers. So I used

866
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: questions in my book. They try to give him an

867
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: infama right and to hold that.

868
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: Though right there, we got to check the traffic and

869
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: weather or our different cities. I'll let you finish telling

870
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: us about your book when we get back. It's three

871
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of They have family and

872
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: brother Milik is our guest this morning. He's brought some

873
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: other brothers. Part of the they reincarceration effort that he's stopping.

874
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: Is a gang interventionist, also a journalist. You want to

875
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: join this discussion, reach out to us at eight hundred

876
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll take

877
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: a phone calls after the traffic and weather that's next

878
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: and ground rising family. Thanks for starting your week with us.

879
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Our guess is milik' spellman. Milik is a journalist. There's

880
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: a gang interventionist. He works with our brothers and sisters

881
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: inside and out of captivity. And he brought some friends

882
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: with him as usual, And you know, while we have

883
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: these discussions because many times in the black community, the

884
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: folks who make a wrong term, we sort of kick

885
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: them to the curb, and you know, and they have

886
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: nowhere else to turn to. And once they get out,

887
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: either they're going to go back in or they're going

888
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: to you know, create problems for us in our community.

889
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: So what brother Milik has been trying to do over

890
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: these years, and he's doing this for decades now, he's

891
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: trying to help these these brothers and sisters who have

892
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: been in and our on the outside. So Brother Malik,

893
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: I think it was Tom we're speaking with. Tony Sellon

894
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 1: said I'll let you finish your thought.

895
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just saying an important role Molik had

896
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: played in me changing and me being of service once

897
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 4: I changed to try to you know, pay my respect

898
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 4: and pay my restitution back to society. He is a

899
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: big part of that guide in me and make sure

900
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: I made the right move from prison. And as he

901
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 4: said before, he also allowed me to take over as

902
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: writer when he left to do bigger things at the Signal.

903
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 4: I took over as a columnist writer for The Signal,

904
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: a weekly writer and on his behalf. So he gave

905
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 4: me the opportunity in the platform to reach people while

906
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 4: I was in prison, and I used that positive platform

907
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 4: to reach people and talk to people about the failed

908
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: narrative of the cripping Bloods and better avenues for us

909
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 4: to engage and unlearned some things that we need to unlearn,

910
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 4: and he was pill of that. And this world is

911
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 4: full circle. As the brother on the phone, sal is

912
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 4: one of my mentors too in prison. He was a

913
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 4: guy that I've seen influence and change so many locks.

914
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: I've never met another brother in California prison system that

915
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 4: affect Crypts and Bloods in a positive way, not just

916
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 4: because he's one of the most smartest brothers speaking Arabic

917
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: and unspiritual and religious testaments, but just a good brother

918
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: in general. And even if you didn't know him, his

919
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 4: reputation and change from a hell of a crypt to

920
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 4: a hell of a Muslim is so extraordinary. He was

921
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: changing people lives without even meeting him, just because of

922
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 4: you know how well he spoke and taught. And I

923
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 4: want to highlight that too, because we all encircled and

924
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 4: all follow the Malik's lead.

925
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 8: And.

926
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 9: I appreciate you.

927
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 7: You know we have seen all good is from God.

928
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: Well, you know we're just flat out town. I wanted it.

929
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: Thank you brothers for joining us today. Before we go,

930
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: let me go to brother Malik Malik, how can we

931
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: people listening now? I want to help these brothers and

932
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: make sure they stay on the straight and now, big

933
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: probably if they can contact you or do you have

934
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: a website or email address so with just funnel everything

935
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: through you? Is that okay with you?

936
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 8: Well?

937
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 6: No, I think that directly connecting to them would be

938
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 6: key because they'll have help you with the community issues

939
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 6: that you may have, speaking engagements and things that nature saw.

940
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 6: Ask them to release their information. But this is my

941
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 6: appeal to your audience, and you know at this point,

942
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 6: my sincurities are my credentials. Please send some monetary help

943
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 6: to these brothers to the that way they don't have

944
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 6: to be out in the streets. We're not embarrassed to

945
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 6: ask for help, and we don't want to sell narcotics

946
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 6: and do things that's going to get us incarcerated. I

947
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 6: mean one hundred dollars two hundred three sent something. Please,

948
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 6: My podcets have been depleted. I am financially embarrassed. At

949
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 6: this point into our yep on blessings in order to

950
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 6: distribute them back to the community. But for the most part,

951
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 6: you know, you can follow the full interview that I

952
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 6: did concerning the Jerry Curl situation on Wild Mobules TV,

953
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 6: and I let those brothers close out on what they

954
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 6: feel is appropriate in terms of their situations.

955
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to on first. How can folks

956
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: treat you? We got an email address, phone number? How

957
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: can folks treat you?

958
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Yeah, I have.

959
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 4: An email address. It's uh j E O R A

960
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: L D P I T T S twenty two at

961
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 4: gmail dot com. That's my email.

962
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: Do it again, but real slow. Do it again, but

963
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: real slow.

964
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 4: Yes, j E O R A L d P I

965
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 4: T T S twenty two at Gmail. That's Jerald Pits

966
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: with a J at Gmail. And I also have a

967
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: book called to Bang or Not to Bang, a book

968
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 4: of questions using Socratic method to try to enlighten people

969
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: on the field, narratives and how to use questions to

970
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 4: unlearned and change your thinking.

971
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: All right, next, yes, uh, all right, I have a.

972
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 7: Few emails, but I think that my aspirational email is

973
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 7: the one that I use as a form of manifestation.

974
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 7: It's called Granberry Housing Association, which is something that I

975
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 7: aspire to create. And it's all lowercase, one word e R.

976
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 7: I mean, excuse me, g R A N D B

977
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 7: e R R Y Housing Association all lower chase at

978
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 7: gmail dot com.

979
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: All right, And I just want to thank you brothers

980
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: for being so candid and sharing parts of your life.

981
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: Many folks who have you been through what you guys

982
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: have been through, they hide, They don't want people to

983
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: know their background. And then the struggles because now they feeling,

984
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, a way, so they don't want to share

985
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: that with us. But you guys have been very candid

986
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: with us, and I want to thank you. And I

987
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: also want to thank the leak because Malik, you've you've

988
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: just been unrelenting and helping our brothers and sisters who

989
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: have been incarcerated, helping them when they're inside and when

990
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: they get out, and helping while they're inside as well.

991
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: So I just want to thank you because I know

992
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: you probably don't get a lot of thanks for the

993
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: work that you do. Let me just share this with

994
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: you real quick because we run out of time. There

995
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: were times when when a young person got shot in

996
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: streets of la and the LAPD would call them Alik.

997
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: They didn't want to go tell their parents. That was

998
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: my Leik's job, you know, to go tell me that

999
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: the little child was laying in the street we shot up.

1000
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: So that was beleaks one of the stuff that one

1001
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: of the many things that he's done is a journalist.

1002
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: So I just want to thank you, Malik for all

1003
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 1: the work that you've done helping our.

1004
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 4: People, well the feelings.

1005
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 6: That's me insuing your cards to reciprocating it back to

1006
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 6: your show, which I said is one of the hidden

1007
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 6: universities of America outside of the prisons. But also bring

1008
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 6: some attention to the fact that even Tinam Marie was

1009
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 6: a crip, you know what I mean, that have benished Shoreline.

1010
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 6: That's this conversation for another day. And let's bring some

1011
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 6: attention to these black people in Virginia and in Houston

1012
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 6: that are coming up missing and no one's talking about.

1013
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's a that's a problem too, especially

1014
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: the sisters are missing in Houston. And that's another thing

1015
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: when we have more time, because let me just say

1016
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: this family, brother Malik knows all of these entertainers, you know,

1017
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: and I don't mentioned their names were in the hip

1018
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: hop rap game. They all know Milik, and Milik all

1019
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 1: knows them. And somehow they've made their money and you know,

1020
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: just left the community behind and the community that they

1021
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: grew up with and made their money on. So that's

1022
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: that's a conversation for another day. But thank you Malik,

1023
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: and thank you again for the work that you do

1024
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: with our people.

1025
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 6: And thank you equally as well to your listening audience.

1026
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 6: And please man, as God is our witness, send some help.

1027
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: Gotcha? All right? Family, that's Milik, and thank you brothers

1028
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts with us this morning. Family, all right,

1029
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: the top down, you know a lot of times, and

1030
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: what we do on this program we provide a smokes

1031
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: brought of black ideas so that you you know, there's

1032
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: some people, some people, you know, they might not like

1033
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: talking to folks who have been on the inside and

1034
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: inside some people don't even like this. Talk to Christians

1035
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: and all then I talk to Muslims.

1036
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 4: You know.

1037
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: Somehow we've got we've got to open our minds. Family,

1038
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: We've got to open our minds. These are our families.

1039
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: If we don't talk to them, who will They're part

1040
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: of our tribe. So that's how that's how we roll

1041
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: on this particular program. As I mentioned, it's ten minutes

1042
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: half the top there. Let's bringing down doctor Denise Turley,

1043
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Turley, Grand Rising, welcome back to the.

1044
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 11: Program, a grand Rising, Grand Rising. How are you doing

1045
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 11: this morning?

1046
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm still learning and I'm trying to do that every

1047
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: each and every single day. Still trying to learn. And

1048
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: I know I'm going to learn some stuff from you

1049
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: this morning because you're educator and also you're you're also

1050
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: into AI Artificial intelligence. Uh, and it seems like, you know,

1051
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: AI is just overtaking our lives. Some of us don't

1052
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: even know that AI. We're using AI. We just hear

1053
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: about it and we try and well what is AI?

1054
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: You know, we don't know what it is. So help

1055
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: us out here, doctor Turlie, give us, you know, just

1056
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: tell us about AI, just you know what it is

1057
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: and how it's impact in our lives.

1058
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, happy to do so. When we think about AI, AI,

1059
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 11: AI has been around for decades. Most of the time

1060
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 11: we don't even know it. We're not paying attention. Things

1061
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 11: like theories that some people have in their house, you know,

1062
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 11: you talk to it and ask questions. That's using a

1063
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 11: form of AI. AI is just computer artificial intelligence. So

1064
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 11: when you think about these self driving cars like Tesla,

1065
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 11: they're using AI. Netflix when it's given you recommendations on

1066
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 11: what to watch, that's all AI driven. So AI has

1067
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 11: been around a long time. But what we're really excited

1068
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 11: about right now is this new version of AI that's

1069
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 11: called generative AI. And this is this new conversational AI

1070
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 11: that's a little bit entertained in it's a little bit sexy.

1071
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 11: It's very intriguing for many people. And ESAI that can

1072
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 11: create it can create letters, emails, videos, images. That's the

1073
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 11: new stuff that everyone decided about generative AI.

1074
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well some of my images first, let's go through

1075
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: go through the others as well. I learned after the

1076
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: top of their images because I know they've done the

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Speaker 1: AI generated images of doctor Martait King and some folks

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Speaker 1: who entertainers who passed Whitney Houston. I recall this one

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Speaker 1: as well, Luther's one as well. And you look at

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Speaker 1: them and did you hear they speak this pattern? Is

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Speaker 1: there the look of this speech and it's sort of overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: Is go wow, a witness said this or doctor King

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Speaker 1: and they're making the one that they're using on Doctor King.

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Speaker 1: They make it sound like he's saying something that was ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: something that Doctor King would never say. But how do

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Speaker 1: how do we differentiate? How do we know what is

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Speaker 1: real and what's not AI generating? Especially when it comes

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Speaker 1: to these images, Man, this is.

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Speaker 11: The stuff that kiss me up now, right, because it's

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Speaker 11: getting harder and harder. So a year ago, you know,

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Speaker 11: we had AI videos and it was cool and it

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Speaker 11: was fun and people would play around with them, but

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Speaker 11: we knew it was AI right because it would generate

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Speaker 11: AI and they didn't really get the voices right. The

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Speaker 11: facial movement was wrong. Sometimes people would have like five

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Speaker 11: or six fingers or their arm would disappear. So it

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Speaker 11: was kind of easy to know that that was fake

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Speaker 11: and people weren't worried about it. But with the new

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Speaker 11: versions of AI that have come out Sora just came

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Speaker 11: out last week, that's open AI platform that you're mentioning

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Speaker 11: right now, and the ability of this to generate videos

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Speaker 11: that are so real looking. They're getting the voice down,

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Speaker 11: the facial gestures, everything. Now when you generate videos from

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Speaker 11: open AI tool Sora, it does come with a watermark,

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Speaker 11: so it has on it Sora so that you know

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Speaker 11: that that is not real. The problem is that people

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Speaker 11: are then using video editing software to take that watermark away.

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Speaker 11: So tactics that you would use to try and validate

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Speaker 11: authenticity is now volved. And so that's a big challenge.

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Speaker 11: We have to figure out how can we really tell

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Speaker 11: if something fake? And it's getting hard and hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, you know, for the movie industry, they're concerned

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Speaker 1: about this because now you can make a totally AI

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Speaker 1: generated movie without paying anybody. You could just make the

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Speaker 1: movie on your computer. Is this where we're heading?

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Speaker 12: It is?

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Speaker 11: It is, and the movie industry is just one industry

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Speaker 11: when we think about how is AI going to impact

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Speaker 11: industries and sales and money and earnings and all of that.

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Speaker 11: But some of the ones that are really they I

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Speaker 11: say easy to produce, right is think about children's movies, cartoons,

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Speaker 11: animated characters where you don't have to get every precision

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Speaker 11: accurate on the face, on the gestures, on the voices.

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Speaker 11: Those are even easier to make. So anyone that's listening

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Speaker 11: right now, you're trying to think about a new career

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Speaker 11: or transition into a different career, that's something that's out there.

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Speaker 11: And then yeah, just using lifelike actors and coming up

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Speaker 11: with short movies or even long movies. It's entirely possible

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Speaker 11: now because they've come up with something that's called character,

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Speaker 11: so your characters can stay consistent. It's called character consistency.

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Speaker 11: Before you would create an image and it would be

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Speaker 11: maybe an image that resembled a black woman, but in

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Speaker 11: the next scene she'd be sort of different. Right, she's

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Speaker 11: kind of the same, but you'll notice that complexion is different.

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Speaker 11: It's not the same actors. Well, they've changed that now

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Speaker 11: to where you've got character consistency. So the technology is

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Speaker 11: moving so fair that yeah, we're going to see completely

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Speaker 11: AI generated movies that bring down the coast of production

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Speaker 11: and also has a huge impact to that the scriptwriters.

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Speaker 11: I mean, think about everybody's job. Who's in that value

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Speaker 11: chain of putting together the movies.

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Speaker 1: It's not just the actors, right, the grips, everybody, who

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Speaker 1: the stage hands, every everybody, Because if you look at

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Speaker 1: all those credits when the movie's over all those people

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Speaker 1: are getting the check. Everybody gets paid With AI, all

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Speaker 1: that's wiped out. But here's another one I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about because we've come up on our break, but

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you this one. The music industry

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Speaker 1: before and Kevin knows all about this auto tune, and

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Speaker 1: they had a thing auto tune. You know, people who

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Speaker 1: can't sing or the off note there or some off tune,

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Speaker 1: and they use auto tune to refine the song, refine

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Speaker 1: the vocal and then put it together. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: that when we come back from the shortbreak though, because

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Speaker 1: there's a group that's going out has a hip hop

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Speaker 1: song that glorifies hanging and he's actually was order generate,

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Speaker 1: So we want to talk about it when we get back.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen minutes off the top day, I found you want

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Speaker 1: to get in on this conversation about AI artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four to five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six on ticket phone calls next

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising Family. Thanks staying with us on this

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Speaker 1: Monday morning. Here nineteen minutes after the top out. I

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Speaker 1: guess the educator and AI advisor, doctor Denise Turley, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about AI artificial intelligence, and before were left to

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Speaker 1: talked about the music industry some things that we don't know.

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Speaker 1: They use the thing and Kevin knows just about called

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Speaker 1: auto tune for those singers who sometimes they can't make

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Speaker 1: that high note or get that low note that they want,

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Speaker 1: so they they throw through the computer autotun in it.

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Speaker 1: And now you've got people who they're using songs, complete songs.

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Speaker 1: There's a professor Griffolls about this group and these I

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Speaker 1: think these were really too actually white dudes who were

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Speaker 1: talking about hanging, and they were glorifying the fact they're

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Speaker 1: bound hangings, supporting hanging. And the question is the next

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Speaker 1: step is that they're going to use AI artificial intells

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Speaker 1: generated folks who were were making songs aimed at our people,

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Speaker 1: our young people, glorify stuff like like hanging, all the

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Speaker 1: negative things. So, doctor Turlie, is there a way that

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Speaker 1: we can identify what is fake and what is real?

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the music.

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Speaker 11: Industry, it is getting harder and harder. It's something that

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Speaker 11: we are challenged with identifying that music is even harder

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Speaker 11: to identify than the videos, right because at least videos

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Speaker 11: you can look for the subtle signs. Sometimes the AI

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Speaker 11: will mess up, there'll be something that's off. In music,

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Speaker 11: it's easier to create a song, a rap song lyrics

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Speaker 11: and you won't hear that it's that it's sakes. So

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Speaker 11: the only way to do that is maybe trying to

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Speaker 11: then go and do a search and try and find

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Speaker 11: the artists and see if they exist. And even then,

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Speaker 11: so when you think about it's so easy for me

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Speaker 11: to set up a fake website with fake images of

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Speaker 11: people that don't really exist. I mean, AI has taken

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Speaker 11: us into this whole new world where we've never been before.

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Speaker 11: I can create faithless influences now right. They're all over

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Speaker 11: social media. They're not real people. They're just made to

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Speaker 11: look real and to really appeal to that audience. So

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Speaker 11: if I set up a fake avatar, I set up

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Speaker 11: a website that's got pictures of me doing all kinds

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Speaker 11: of different things, they're all completely fake. But then I

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Speaker 11: put out a rap song and I lift my website,

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Speaker 11: or you do a research on me and you find me, well,

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Speaker 11: most people are going to be convinced that I'm real, right,

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Speaker 11: Most people aren't going to dig deeper to see, well,

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Speaker 11: when was this website created, and what is this person's

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Speaker 11: day to birth? And what city are they found and

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Speaker 11: where do you know what I'm saying, it's.

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Speaker 13: A lot of work.

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Speaker 1: Uh, hopefully we have a lot of Doctor TURLEYE Twenty

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Speaker 1: two out the topic, Oh I'm sorry, go ahead, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can hear it now like phone drop, go ahead.

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Speaker 11: Oh sorry.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: So I would say that it's really hard for us

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Speaker 11: to tell now because it's not Not only can I

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Speaker 11: create a rap song or any kind of song in

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Speaker 11: about two minutes, I can also go and create a

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Speaker 11: whole set of images that look like I'm real, doing

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Speaker 11: different things in different places, and even videos now that

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Speaker 11: look like I'm real living everyday life. So when somebody

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Speaker 11: just goes and looks for me, if I set up

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Speaker 11: a website with a fake name and I put all

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Speaker 11: my pictures up and all of my videos of me

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Speaker 11: doing everyday things, how can we tell that they're fake?

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Speaker 11: It's so hard?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope I thought that. Twenty three minutes out

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Speaker 1: of Doctor Turtlie Charles is checking in for Baltimore, has

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Speaker 1: a question for you's online one grand rising Charles. You're

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Speaker 1: only doctor Denise Turley.

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Speaker 4: Yes, how you doing?

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Speaker 8: Doctors?

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Speaker 11: I am and great still learning life learning.

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Speaker 4: That's a great thing. That's one of my goals for

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Speaker 4: every day to learn at least two new things every

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Speaker 4: single day. So that's a great goal. But talking about

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Speaker 4: this artificial intelligence, isn't that actually an artificial brain? And

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Speaker 4: don't they have, you know, stuff that you can put

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Speaker 4: on your body.

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Speaker 1: Charles, your sound just went sound? Can you get closer

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Speaker 1: to that to the phone?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I repeat your question again for doctor Turlie.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm asking about is there wearable technology now, like

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Speaker 4: stuff that you can put on your body that enhances

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Speaker 4: the artificial intelligence the artificial brain because I know they

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Speaker 4: have neural link, but is there other things other than

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Speaker 4: neural link that have been developed for the artificial intelligence

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Speaker 4: to merge with our exoskeleton.

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Speaker 11: So I think that I'm not up on the latest

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Speaker 11: and greatest here, but I know that there is there

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Speaker 11: are things that are being tested. I don't know about

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Speaker 11: the ability to replace our brain with a artificial brain,

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Speaker 11: but we certainly have technology that works with our brain,

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Speaker 11: right and we've had that for years, even when you

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Speaker 11: think of people who are getting prosthetics that can work

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Speaker 11: with signals from the brain. So that stuff is there.

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Speaker 11: There's a lot of work being done right now in

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Speaker 11: countries like China with humanoids and coming up with robots. Essentially.

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Speaker 11: I know that there's research being done about wearable technologies

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Speaker 11: that you can interact with. They're modern, they are modeling biometrics.

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Speaker 11: They can understand if somebody is experiencing triggers of a

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Speaker 11: heart attack and give you a warning, or maybe there's

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Speaker 11: an impending stroke, or perhaps your blood sugars down because

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Speaker 11: it can give you a prick every hour and test

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Speaker 11: your blood. So I know that that type of wearable

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Speaker 11: technology is being developed. I'm not sure that many of

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Speaker 11: it is available right now though for consumers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what he was referring to is what

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Speaker 1: they call transhumanism's I guess, the merging of a man

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Speaker 1: and machine, and that's the latest thing they're working with AI.

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Speaker 1: But I want to talk to you about people using

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Speaker 1: AI speaking about transhumanism as their friends and companions that

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Speaker 1: they don't really need to have another person in their

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Speaker 1: life or a friend. They can just generate a person

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Speaker 1: or a friend, whether it be a girlfriend or wife

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Speaker 1: or just just a close friend. Can you speak to

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Speaker 1: some of that for us, doctor.

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Speaker 11: Turley, Yeah, there's there's researches on that. There's a lot

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Speaker 11: more people who are turned into AI for friendship and

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Speaker 11: companionship and even for romantic relationships, and so there are

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Speaker 11: different tools that are being created that cats specifically for that.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 11: So Rock in fact has a couple of different avatars,

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Speaker 11: so they're visual on the screen, right, and so they

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Speaker 11: have movement and they talk to you, and that you

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Speaker 11: can change their outfits and interact with them. They have

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Speaker 11: now spicy mode so that some of these conversations can

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Speaker 11: get into romanticism and even erotica, and that appeals to

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Speaker 11: a certain set of people. And so the AI in

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Speaker 11: these situations, they're programmed to be really pleasing and really flirtatious,

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Speaker 11: and they are making you feel great, right, They might

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Speaker 11: be motivating. They're your best friend, and so that's really appealing,

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Speaker 11: and it can be something that you just end up

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Speaker 11: wanting to talk to every day, right because now it's

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Speaker 11: the best friend, it's somebody that you go to. They

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Speaker 11: always understand, they always want to make you feel good.

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Speaker 11: The one with GROK, I tested that for a few weeks.

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Speaker 11: When I signed on, it calls me baby, hey babe,

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Speaker 11: Hey baby, how was your day? I hope you're not stressed?

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Speaker 11: How can I help you? They have different outfits like lingerie, bikinis,

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Speaker 11: all kinds of things, so it is very, very attractive

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Speaker 11: for people to start turning to these as their companions.

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Speaker 1: Twenty a half. The tough there, I explain how they

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Speaker 1: have They know how to respond to what you're going

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Speaker 1: to ask them, though there's got to be a million

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Speaker 1: questions you can ask a person. Yet, yes, these AI

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Speaker 1: general A need people. If you will, they respond and

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Speaker 1: they respond pretty quickly as well. Explain how that how

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Speaker 1: does that concept work?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so AI generative AI. Right, it's been trained on

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Speaker 11: billions and billions and billions of data sets, and so

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Speaker 11: it's going to be it's going to be more knowledgeable

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Speaker 11: than any person you've ever met, right, because there's almost

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Speaker 11: no question that you can ask it that it's not

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Speaker 11: going to attempt a response on. And so because of that,

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Speaker 11: it's able to predict what it thinks the next word

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Speaker 11: might be, or the next answer to a question. It's

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Speaker 11: got way more data than we could ever have. So

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Speaker 11: it's it's learning and it's training every single day. It's

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Speaker 11: getting better and better now because also it's starting to

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Speaker 11: understand context in your conversations. So it understands. It has memory,

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Speaker 11: so it knows if you asked it something yesterday, if

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Speaker 11: yesterday you came home from work and you were stressed out.

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Speaker 11: Don't be suppose if when you love on tomorrow, it

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Speaker 11: asks you how was your day and how are you

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Speaker 11: feeling better than yesterday? So it's got all of this

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Speaker 11: contextual awareness. It's been trained on so much data. It

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Speaker 11: understands human conversation and such that it can predict how

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Speaker 11: to answer any question that you ask it.

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Speaker 1: So where does all this information go though, because obviously

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Speaker 1: is it in the cloud somewhere? Because you said they

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Speaker 1: store the information. If you had an information previous day

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Speaker 1: and then the next day, is actually are you feeling

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Speaker 1: better today?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: So obviously the information is being stored somewhere. So where

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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, the information is absolutely being stored, and it's going

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Speaker 11: to be stored all over. I don't know if you

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Speaker 11: guys have heard about different data centers that are being

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Speaker 11: created to how we're processing the data. We've got a

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Speaker 11: lot of cloud storage, so you know Aws, Microsoft, all

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Speaker 11: of these large organization they have data that's hosted online.

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Speaker 11: So when you think about service in the cloud, there's

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Speaker 11: still service that are somewhere that have the data in

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Speaker 11: a physical location and that's where you're seeing like in

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Speaker 11: the DC area. Right, there's a lot of Ashburn Northern Virginia.

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Speaker 11: There are these massive data setters that are being created

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Speaker 11: to how store and process data, so it's absolutely being stored.

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Speaker 11: That's one of the things too to think about as

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Speaker 11: you're using this technology. It is it's pretty cool, right,

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Speaker 11: I get that, But also from a privacy perspective, you

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Speaker 11: have to be aware of what are you given up?

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Speaker 11: Right if you're not looking at the settings on the

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Speaker 11: tools that you're using, is your personal data? Are your

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Speaker 11: personal conversations so they go into the cloud? And are

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Speaker 11: they training on your data? A lot of the times

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Speaker 11: that answer is yes.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine away from the top of era, Doctor Dena Turlie.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Turlie is an advisor also educator about AI artificial intelligence. Earlier,

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Speaker 1: she mentioned GROC. Those who don't know that was Elon

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Speaker 1: Musker's creation GROC, and he wants that to dominate the field.

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Speaker 1: That's why people think that he's got his eyes on

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Speaker 1: Tesla and Starling. No, this is what his real money's

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Speaker 1: going after this, So why I got engaged with the

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Speaker 1: government to get all the all the data because artificial

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Speaker 1: intelligence can't survive with and crime. If I'm wrong without data,

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Speaker 1: and he went and got all all the data on

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Speaker 1: everybody in the country when he was supposed to working

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Speaker 1: as the leader of DOJI in the White House. So

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Speaker 1: this is what and this is all that he wanted

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Speaker 1: to get all that information. Now is going to put

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Speaker 1: it into is groc and he's talking about building robots.

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Speaker 1: Should we be concerned, doctor Turlie, because you know somebody's

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Speaker 1: got all and crect me if I'm wrong? Can AI

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Speaker 1: work without our us involved giving up all our information?

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Speaker 1: Because people go on these social media sites and they

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Speaker 1: tell everybody what they're wearing, where they're going, where they're being,

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Speaker 1: what they're smoking, who they're playing golf with. You know,

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Speaker 1: how's their vacation? Are we are we helping? Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so so.

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Speaker 11: AI, I guess two years ago if anybody would have

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Speaker 11: started playing two years ago, right, AI was it was

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Speaker 11: pretty fascinating. It was good, but it wasn't great right

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Speaker 11: because it was only trained on a certain amount of

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Speaker 11: data up to a certain amount of time. Right, I

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Speaker 11: think it was maybe new information up to let's just

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Speaker 11: say twenty eighteen. And so AI can be really good

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Speaker 11: right now based on the information that has it has learned.

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Speaker 11: But it's not going to get any smarter because it

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Speaker 11: needs to understand all of those things you just mentioned.

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Speaker 11: But what are humans doing now? If it doesn't know

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Speaker 11: that there's a new trend, that humans are behaving in

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01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 11: a different way, that humans are doing something different, it

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Speaker 11: isn't going to have those good answers when you go

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Speaker 11: and have a conversation when you ask it about something

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Speaker 11: that's trending. If it doesn't have new information, it's not

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Speaker 11: going to be able to answer you. So right now,

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Speaker 11: many of these tools are also connected to the Internet,

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Speaker 11: so they've got real time information. They go and they

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Speaker 11: look at sources like Reddit, they go through forums, and

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Speaker 11: they get information about conversations you just mentioned grap right, well,

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01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 11: we know where it's getting conversations and information, pictures, videos,

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Speaker 11: everything that you post about your daily life is subject

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Speaker 11: to helping these models get trained.

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Speaker 1: Twenty six away from the top. Should we be concerned

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01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: about our children, young people who may not be able to,

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01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, to understand this information. They may just look

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Speaker 1: at it and think it's real. Then they think that

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: they're having fun. We reach the point now, doctor Charlie,

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Speaker 1: where AI should be regulated that certain you know, youngsters

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Speaker 1: can't see certain things. I'm thinking about the pornography industry

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01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: and how that you know, it's just on limited Before

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01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: people growing up, young young guys growing up, you know,

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Speaker 1: without a copy of Playboard, they thought that was pornography.

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 1: Now you've got all these pornographic sites and you can

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Speaker 1: get them. Some of them may not be real. They

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01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: don't have to have real actors. Now they can be

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01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: generated and you don't have to have a there's no

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Speaker 1: age limit. So is that a concern that we should have.

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Speaker 4: One?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that when you think about minors, you

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Speaker 11: think about people who may may have diminishmental capacity. We

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01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 11: definitely need to think about how are we protecting them,

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01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 11: How are we protecting them? So listen, this stuff feels

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Speaker 11: like fun, right if you are a teenager, and even

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01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 11: for adults, and you can go and create a song

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01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,759
Speaker 11: or a movie or video or images. We get pulled

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Speaker 11: in because it's fun and it's entertainment, right, And that's

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Speaker 11: where our kids are vulnerable. They're going to see this

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 11: stuff as entertaining and start interacting with it without really

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 11: knowing some of the dangers. How to be aware of

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Speaker 11: how to protect ourselves and then as parents, if we

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01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 11: don't even know what apps our kids have what they're

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Speaker 11: interacting with. It puts us in a real challenge in place.

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Speaker 11: So I know that some companies are now starting about

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Speaker 11: implementing parental controls. So open Ai just implemented recently a

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01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 11: options on the app where as a parent, you can

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01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 11: go in and link your account to one of your

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 11: children's accounts, and then you can have control over content.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that's widely known yet, it's pretty new.

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Speaker 11: Open Ai has said that they want adults to be adults,

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Speaker 11: so if you're an adult, you get to choose the

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Speaker 11: interaction that you have using AI, meaning if you want

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01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 11: to have erotic content you can. And along with those lines,

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01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 11: they're also coming out with new features where they say

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Speaker 11: they are going to do age verifications, so that how

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Speaker 11: they do that, I'm not sure yet. Maybe you have

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Speaker 11: to show a picture of government ID. That's what we're getting,

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Speaker 11: and then they'll confirm that you're over eighteen and then

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Speaker 11: you'll be allowed to view tentsitive content.

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Speaker 1: All right. Hold, I thought that doctor Turley, we got

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Speaker 1: to step aside and get caught up in the ladies

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Speaker 1: traveling news and whether or not different cities when we

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Speaker 1: come back. The tweet question for you tweeter. It says

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Speaker 1: that these large data centers are causing havoc in the

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Speaker 1: forms of high utility bills in some black communities and

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Speaker 1: pollution problems because all of the waste associated with the

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Speaker 1: energy generation. I'll let you address that when we get back,

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Speaker 1: And Sondra and Baltimore wants to speak to you as well. Family.

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Speaker 1: You two can join our conversation with doctor Denise Turley.

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Speaker 1: She's an AI advisor and educator. Reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: We'll take your phone calls after the news. That's next

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen minutes away from the top of the eye of

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Speaker 1: that guest. He's an educator at also advisor on artificial

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Speaker 1: intelligence AI and image. Doctor Denise Turley will go back

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Speaker 1: to you in the moment. Let me just remind you.

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Speaker 1: Coming up later this morn we're gonna speak with Black

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Speaker 1: politics expert doctor James Taylor. Later this week we speak

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Speaker 1: with Morgan State professor doctor Ray Wimbush. Also, the Million

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Speaker 1: Women's March is going to take places weekend. The anniversary,

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Speaker 1: I should say since the Phile is going to be

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Speaker 1: with us and the National Black Association of Black Farmers

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Speaker 1: President John John Boyd will be here also and along

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Speaker 1: with Grio Baba La Moomba out of Emoji House in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure your radio

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Speaker 1: is locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or if

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Speaker 1: you're in the DMV or on fourteen fifteen w L. Again,

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Speaker 1: I guess there is doctor Turley, So doctor Tylly, I'll

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Speaker 1: just read reread that tweet again because this is from

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Speaker 1: one of our listeners in Louisiana. He says the large

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Speaker 1: data centers are causing havoc in the forms of high

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Speaker 1: utility bills in some black communities and pollution problems because

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Speaker 1: of all the waste associated with the energy generation. Your

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Speaker 1: thoughts are that, yeah, I.

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Speaker 11: Think that I'm not aware of the higher energy costs,

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Speaker 11: but I could see how that would happen. There's a

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Speaker 11: lot of concern around AI because, as you called out before,

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Speaker 11: it needs massive amounts of data to run right, and

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Speaker 11: so that requires some time of source electricity. These data

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Speaker 11: centers are consuming large amounts of electricity. One is to

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Speaker 11: process the data the other thing is to keep it cool,

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Speaker 11: so it has to it has to stay at a

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Speaker 11: certain temperature so that doesn't overheat. So it needs to

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Speaker 11: have air conditioning in those centers. So all of this

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Speaker 11: amounts to huge amounts of electricity being used. I know

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Speaker 11: that some of the larger organizations are investigating ways to

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Speaker 11: do their processing using renewable energy sources, using water cooling

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Speaker 11: systems instead of the traditional systems of cooling using solar energy.

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Speaker 11: Some are making good progress. We're not there yet, So

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01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 11: this is this is another area of concern and a

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Speaker 11: huge challenge for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha? Fourteen Away from the topics, I mentioned Sondra's callingists

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Speaker 1: from Baltimore. She's online one grand rising sodet On with doctor.

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Speaker 12: Churlie grand Rassant car to you and your guests. You

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 12: know what called I knew Leon Musk was was coming up,

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01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 12: was on coming to us with false pretensions and no goods.

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01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 12: I knew it. Just like Donald Trump. They they only

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01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 12: want two things when they with their robots that they

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01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 12: trying to uh get to control the universe. They want

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01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 12: our melan. They want our soul, so they can't forget it.

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01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 12: They can build anything they want to build. It ain't

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Speaker 12: gonna happen because if they can get those two things,

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01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 12: they think they are gods. So they can keep on

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01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 12: trying and they can keep on building, do anything they

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Speaker 12: want to do. Those two factors they're never going to get.

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Speaker 12: And I'll hang up and have blessed they about it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Sandra. Let me ask doctor try how close

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01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: are they to getting she talked about? So, how close

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Speaker 1: to these robots that Elon Muskus make in the transhumanism

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01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: if you will? How close are they having feelings? Can

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01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 1: they hate? Can they love? Can they hurt? How close

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Speaker 1: are they manufacturing? Close to manufacturing that? Sister Sandra says

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Speaker 1: that that's not going to happen. What do you say,

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Speaker 1: doctor Turley, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 11: Don't think it's going to happen. I think that true

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Speaker 11: feelings and emotions is something that makes us humans. But

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Speaker 11: what they will get really good at, and what they

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 11: are already getting good at, is faking it, right they

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01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 11: because of all the data that they're trained on. They

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Speaker 11: can fake empathy, they can fake understanding if you had

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01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 11: a bad day and offer some words of encouragement or

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01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 11: say to you, hey, do you want to talk about it?

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Speaker 8: Or what have you.

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Speaker 11: They don't truly have emotion or feelings, but they're really

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01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 11: good at faking it.

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Speaker 1: Well, haven't said that though obviously they're going to take

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Speaker 1: We know it's the impacts you're going to have unemployment,

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01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: but also it's a good psychistrious and psychotists should they

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Speaker 1: be concerned because if you can speak to somebody with

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01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: AI about your problems, you don't need to speak to

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Speaker 1: a human being.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a great point. I think there are two.

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Speaker 11: There are two points around that. One is, of course

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Speaker 11: the impact to psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors as far as their

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01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 11: jobs right, well, we will potentially need fewer of them.

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Speaker 11: And then the second thing is over reliance on AI

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Speaker 11: as a source for support. So some people have already

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Speaker 11: started citing negative impacts when you're using AI too much.

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Speaker 11: Part of that we mentioned is, you know, people are

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Speaker 11: forming close relationships. They think that these these AI avatars

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01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 11: are real and that they understand them and that they're

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01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 11: their best friends. And so there's more isolation that can

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01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 11: be caused as you turn more to this conversation with

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01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 11: your AI best friend and you stop interacting with others.

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01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 11: There's definitely over reliance there's negative consequences that can happen

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01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 11: from a psychological perspective that people are starting to talk

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01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 11: about and write about, and it is concerning to some.

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Speaker 1: Ten away from the topic, should we as a black

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01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 1: community be concerned though, they're trying to rewrite our history

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01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to say that slavery was cool

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01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: and all of that. They can they can generate people

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Speaker 1: to say that, and books and movies and scripts and

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Speaker 1: the whole nine yards to say that. And then you're

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01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 1: going to have a whole generation of young people who

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01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: do not know if their history. You're going to believe, hey,

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01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: slavey was cool, or whatever they got answers has got hungry,

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Speaker 1: they deserved it, or we didn't create the pyramids, or

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Speaker 1: all everything that we did will be negated. How do

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Speaker 1: we how do we as a black community to deal

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Speaker 1: with all of that stuff?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's a great question.

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Speaker 11: I think that we are in this era of misinformation,

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01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 11: this era where you can create any type of story

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01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,120
Speaker 11: or version of the truth that you want to using

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01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 11: AI at massive scales. Right before you could do it,

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01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,560
Speaker 11: but it was in small scales. I think what we

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01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 11: have to do is start being really active, right we're

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01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 11: not passive in this journey. AI kind of levels the

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01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 11: playing field for a lot of people. So I think

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01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 11: that we need more people from our community. One, get

1585
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 11: in and learn and understand what AI is, What is

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01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 11: this technology, what's it capable of? How can it impact

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01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 11: you and impact your family even if you're not thinking

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01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 11: about the impact more universally. And then two, we need

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01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 11: more people for our community who are building these systems,

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01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 11: who are developing these systems, so that we're making sure

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Speaker 11: that the stories aren't going anywhere. We don't have to

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01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 11: just sit alongside as though we're bystanders. We need to

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01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:53,759
Speaker 11: get active and build.

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01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: Our own and building our own Do we need our

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01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 1: own Facebook, Instagram and other social media platforms? And that's

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01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: one question. Or two, if we build it, will they come?

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Speaker 11: Well, that's always the question, right, I mean I think

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01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 11: that Listen, if we care deeply enough about our history,

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Speaker 11: about our children, about our communities, about our ability to

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Speaker 11: be able to generate income, food on the table, then

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01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 11: we have to make decisions. Right do we want to

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01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:25,879
Speaker 11: go and support other black businesses?

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01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 8: Number one?

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Speaker 11: Now we doing that already. If something comes up and

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01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 11: somebody creates another version of an AI tool that is

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Speaker 11: black owned, that is keeping and safegunding black histories, black stories.

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01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 11: Will we go and use it and patronize that system

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Speaker 11: and not a different tool. Those are conscious decisions that

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Speaker 11: individuals have to make. But people are building and will building.

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Speaker 13: It will be available.

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01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 11: We have to decide how we show up and support it.

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Speaker 1: And having said that, our brothers and sisters on the continent,

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01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: are they keeping pace with these changes? At some point

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01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: they entered the digital revolution. They were not in the

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Speaker 1: analogue space, if you will, So all of a sudden

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01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 1: they leave rout to the digital revolution. They were doing

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01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: banking on phones before we were. How are they still

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01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: keeping pace with all these changes?

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Speaker 11: Yeah? I think they are. I think they're making lots

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01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 11: of headweight. So there are several different groups that are

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01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 11: doing tremendous work. And so yes, they are working on

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01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,680
Speaker 11: building their own right, They're working on building their own

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01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 11: because even different cultures, they've got different cultural norms and

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01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,919
Speaker 11: habits that they want to make sure that they're protecting.

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01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 11: They've got different languages, different habits that they want to

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01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 11: make sure that they are protecting and that that is safe.

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01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 11: So they are working on building their own AI systems.

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01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 11: They're working on teaching their own. There are challenges, as

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01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 11: you know, but they definitely understand that this technology has power.

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01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 11: And if they don't build their own, others are building

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01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 11: it and just giving it them to consume. So there's

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01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 11: a number of different growth groups that are building.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Having said, that's seven away through tough of our family,

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01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,679
Speaker 1: just join us. Our guest is an advisor and educator

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01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: about AI artificial intelligence. The name is doctor Denise Turley,

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01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Turley. For our young people coming up, what should

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01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 1: they should they be looking at AI as far as

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01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: the job market is concerned, something that they need to

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01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: get involved or is something that they can control as well?

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01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: Or are they sitting back or she sayd let the

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01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: other folks do it and we'll we'll just be having

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01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: participants in it. Should we be building our own platforms?

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01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: And for our young people going to school, should this

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01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: is something they should be looking at?

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01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 13: Yeah?

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01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 11: Please don't do the latter, right, Please don't just sit

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01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 11: back and be participants in what somebody else is building.

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01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 11: As a community, Black people are brilliant, right, We've history

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01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 11: shown all of the inventions we can do. Now is

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01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 11: the time to make sure that you are learning not

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01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 11: just our young people, all generations. Right now, We've got

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01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 11: people who are in their fifties and sixties who go

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01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 11: out and start businesses. There's no reason that that can't

1655
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 11: be us. When I came on the show where we

1656
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 11: were listening earlier to some of our brothers and sisters,

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01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 11: you know who are incarcerated right now, Let's not forget

1658
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 11: them too right, start learning. Somebody reached out to me

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01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 11: as a result of a call the last time I

1660
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 11: was on this show from the North Carolina Department of

1661
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 11: June of Juvenile Justice saying how can we help those

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01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 11: that are incarcerated? And I offered and volunteered. You let

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01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 11: me know how you want me to come in and

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01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 11: train and show up, and we'll figure out how we

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01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 11: show up.

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Speaker 8: So learn.

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Speaker 11: We don't just use AI because it's fun and it's entertainment.

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01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 11: It is, but be the ones that's creating the entertainment.

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01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 11: Be the one that's creating your own movies, your own stories,

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01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 11: your own songs, right, be the ones who are there's

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01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 11: so many jobs that are going I only start being

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Speaker 11: in demand with AI. And if you start learning it now,

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01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 11: then you'll be able to make sure you are showing

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Speaker 11: up for those jobs.

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Speaker 1: All right. For a way from the top, we gotta

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01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: check another look at the traffic and weather in our

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Speaker 1: different sitis. Before we do that, I got a tweet

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Speaker 1: question for you. I'll let you think about this and

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01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: I'll let you respond on the other side. Tweeter says,

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Speaker 1: what about these movies that show AI taking over like

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four movie Afraid and I robe ut

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Speaker 1: with Will Smith, the Thinking Game and others. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you respond to that when we get back. As I

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01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: mentioned that, we gotta check the traffic and weather in

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01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 1: our different cities. Family, you want to join this conversation

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01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: with our guest, doctor Denise Turley. We're talking about AI,

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01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy system. We'll take your phone

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01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 1: calls after the traffic and weather update. That's next and

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Speaker 1: Ryan Rising, family, thanks for starting your week with us.

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Speaker 1: A minute after the top, there are momentarily with speaking

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Speaker 1: with a black politics expert, doctor James Taylor, but let's

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Speaker 1: wrap over with doctor Denise Turley. Doctor Turley, the question,

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Speaker 1: this is one of our listens out in California, says,

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Speaker 1: what about these movies that are show AI taken over,

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Speaker 1: like the twenty twenty four movie Afraid and I Robot

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01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: with Will Smith and the Thinking Game, et cetera.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think is the question, do I think that

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01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 11: that's going to happen?

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01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's the essence of the question.

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01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think it's possible. It's not possible right now,

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01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 11: or I wouldn't say we're in immediate danger of that.

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01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 11: The AI today isn't smart enough, it doesn't have sentiment,

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01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 11: it has no real reason to try and do that,

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01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 11: and there are gudrails built in. But I think where

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01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 11: the problem comes in and where our risk comes in,

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01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 11: is that we have bad actors in every system. Right,

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01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 11: So it doesn't matter if let's just say companies like

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01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 11: open ai put watermarks on videos because they want to

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01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 11: they want to make sure that they're doing the right thing,

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01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 11: and other people know that this is AI generated. But

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Speaker 11: then you have people who've come and then removed watermark, right,

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Speaker 11: and we call those bad actors in the system. These

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Speaker 11: are people with bad intentions. And similarly, right now, a

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01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 11: lot of the AI tools, the big tools that have

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01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 11: been built, they've got god rails built in, so they

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01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 11: know to do no harm to humans, but also not

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01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 11: smart enough to try and figure out how to sort

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01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 11: of take over and reinvent. But that's not to this

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01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 11: to say that somebody from another country, or even somebody

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01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 11: from this country, or somebody else with bad intentions isn't

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01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 11: going to try and develop something else that might do

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Speaker 11: that at some point in the future. I don't have

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01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 11: I don't have a crystal ball, so I cannot say

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Speaker 11: for sure. But at this point, based on what we've

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Speaker 11: seen happen with technology and advancement in the last two years,

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01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 11: is it something we should be aware of and building

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01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 11: tools to make sure it doesn't happen. I think that's

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01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 11: a strong yes for me.

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Speaker 1: All right. Before we let you go, though, doctor Teller,

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01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: what's the one thing you want our listeners to take

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01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: away from you this morning about these headlines? Because it

1733
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 1: seems like every day there's something about AI, artificial intelligence.

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01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 11: Every day there's something new. The biggest thing I want

1735
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 11: you to take aware of is education is power, right,

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01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 11: So get awareness, get education, start start learning more about AI,

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01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 11: not just for entertainment, but how it can actually help

1738
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 11: you be better, do better. We have I have free

1739
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 11: courses on my website. If it over give me the list. Sure,

1740
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 11: so that is just d et impact Academy dot com.

1741
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 11: There are free courses. There's free courses everywhere. Get in

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01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 11: touch with me if you want information on where you

1743
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 11: can get free courses, how you can learn, where to

1744
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 11: start learning. I know it's overwhelming. My website is doctor

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01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 11: Denise Turley dot com.

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01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: And spell it out for our folks.

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01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 11: Yes, thank thank you. It's d R D E N

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01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 11: I S E T for Thomas. You awful lobb it

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01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 11: al e y doctor Denise Turley dot com.

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01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, doctor Turlie. Thank you for sharing

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01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: your thoughts with us this morning.

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01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:24,560
Speaker 11: Thank you so much for having me.

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01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: All right, family for after the top y. Let's turn

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Speaker 1: our attention now to our exit guest, the Black Politics expert,

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01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,560
Speaker 1: doctor James Taylor, Doctor Taylor Grand Rising, Welcome back to

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01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 1: the program. Good morning, call doctor Taylor. We just start

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01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: about AI artificial intelligence. As a professor, are you concerned

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01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,799
Speaker 1: about the intrusion I call it intrusions when people think

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01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 1: that it's it's an asset about AI audificial intelligence? How

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01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,599
Speaker 1: do you what do you tell your students and can

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01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: you decipher if you give them a project to do

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01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: when they come back and it's AI generator. Can you

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Speaker 1: tell the difference?

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Speaker 8: I think I can. I think I've been grating long

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01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:04,560
Speaker 8: enough of undergraduate papers almost thirty years, so I know

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Speaker 8: a typical undergraduate student paper and a graduate level paper,

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Speaker 8: and you have to know the student, and all of

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01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 8: that combined helps you understand the age is still going

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01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 8: to be a's, the b's is still going to be

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01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 8: the c's is still going to be c's. AI is

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01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 8: not going to make a C student a A student

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Speaker 8: because I know that's a C student based on other work.

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01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 8: It's not just you know. I think the thing that

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01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 8: is going to go away is old school traditional research papers,

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01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,839
Speaker 8: where you know, someone could just go to the library

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01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 8: and research the topic protests and write a paper on protests. Well,

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01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 8: now you have to find more creative ways of Like

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01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,440
Speaker 8: I have my students doing one assignment in San Francisco.

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01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 8: They have to walk up and down Fillmore Street and

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01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 8: look at these bricks that are on the sidewalk that

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01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:04,160
Speaker 8: memorials all of the different jazz locations on film More

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01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 8: and so I'm having students walk over there find the

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01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 8: bricks that are in the ground that they're they're terrible memorials.

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01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 8: But but that's what they did. They made these little,

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01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 8: insignificant bricks that people walk over every day and don't see.

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Speaker 8: But one of the most famous clubs was Jim Jimbo's

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Speaker 8: Bop City in San Francisco. So my students have to,

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01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 8: you know, look for that brick, find that brick, do

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Speaker 8: research on Jim, you know, on Bop City, and tell

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01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 8: me something about it. So, in other words, professors have

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Speaker 8: to get smarter and be more creative in their assignments.

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01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 8: You can't use anything that AI can do. So AI

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01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 8: is not going to walk down fill More, look for

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01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 8: some bricks and then tell the story of the bricks

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01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 8: or the place. That's something that requires more effort than

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01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 8: you know, relying on simply chat GPT tell me about

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01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 8: the bricks on film more, You're still gonna have to

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Speaker 8: go over there. So and I asked, I asked Chad GPT,

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Speaker 8: what would you do to prevent students from cheating with

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Speaker 8: cha GPT? And chat GPT tells you how to avoid

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01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 8: students using chat GPT or how to detect it, and

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01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 8: it tells you how to do different assignments that make

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Speaker 8: it less possible for students to to UH to you know,

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Speaker 8: use generative AI. And part of the challenge is I'm

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Speaker 8: on the joint I'm on the university curriculum committee that

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01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 8: oversees all of the curriculum, and we're struggling with UH

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01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:52,599
Speaker 8: the provosts for a formal statement about discouraging the use

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01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 8: of AI altogether. Like there's a three positions. One is

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Speaker 8: you know you basically like one assignment where I'm asking

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Speaker 8: my students solve a Black problem with AI. So that's

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Speaker 8: one of my assignments, solve a Black problem with AI,

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Speaker 8: because if AI is all of that call, it's got

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Speaker 8: to change black life. If AI doesn't transform our lives,

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Speaker 8: you know, if it doesn't solve serious problems, it's diabolical.

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Speaker 8: Because I think AI should end racism, you know, to me,

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01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 8: AI can't and racism or the like, than what is it?

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Speaker 8: And we know, just like the doctor said previously, there

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Speaker 8: are people with bad intentions and we know already with

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Speaker 8: AI that generitive AI has been used, for example, with

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Speaker 8: facial recognition to arbitrarily stop black people. I think a

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01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 8: black man got stopped at a sports event a few

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Speaker 8: months ago and it turned out not to be him,

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01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 8: but he was identified by AI or by facial facial

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01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 8: recognition technology, and it was completely a false alarm. So,

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Speaker 8: you know, racism with technology just makes it more efficient.

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01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,600
Speaker 8: But for us to think that racism is going to

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Speaker 8: go away because of technology, well we're clear that. You know,

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01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 8: advanced technology does not make white people behave better as

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Speaker 8: human beings. Nuclear technology with the AI of the nineteen fifties,

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01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 8: I mean it's different, but nuclear technology, nuclear threat, nuclear war,

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01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 8: nuclear proliferation was like we were afraid of nuclear technology,

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01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 8: like we're afraid of AI today. We're afraid of what

1833
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,600
Speaker 8: it can do if it's not it contained, If you

1834
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 8: gets in the wrong hands, it could destroy all of us.

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01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 8: So call you when I grew up getting up under desks,

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01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 8: you know, in case there was a nuclear fallout. Well,

1837
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:11,960
Speaker 8: now there's great fear over what the dangerous potentials of

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01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 8: generative AI are. Some people think it has no capability

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01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 8: beyond human intelligence. Other people, you know, think that and

1840
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 8: know that it constantly reproduces itself.

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01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 1: But I think you know ask you this question, doctor Taylor,

1842
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 1: and let me ask you this question.

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01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 8: You use the technology like everybody else, and and part

1844
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 8: of the challenge of the university call is on one hand,

1845
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:42,560
Speaker 8: we don't want students using AI because we feel like

1846
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 8: it's cheating and it undermines critical thinking where you can

1847
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:51,480
Speaker 8: think for yourself and you know, and deduct and make conclusions.

1848
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 8: You know, that's one of the the It stops you

1849
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 8: from thinking. You just tell me this question though, just

1850
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 8: ask or the other platforms answers to questions, and that

1851
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:16,000
Speaker 8: is part of the dilemma, is students not thinking for

1852
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:19,760
Speaker 8: themselves and depending on technology. But on the other hand,

1853
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 8: car the market, the job marketplace demands that they know AI.

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01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 8: So we don't know what we're going to do because

1855
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 8: the university is saying, don't use it, it's cheating the

1856
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 8: mine's critical thinking. But then the marketplace is firing eleven

1857
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 8: thousand salesforce. This guy Bentoff, we could talk about him

1858
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 8: later because he's the one that told Trump to bring

1859
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:52,520
Speaker 8: these National Guard to San Francisco, the head of salesforce.

1860
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 8: But he, I think, laid off twenty thousand workers about

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01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 8: two months ago. I saw another company eleven thousand workers

1862
01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 8: and they attribute it to what generative AI can do.

1863
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 8: So again, the real basic problem for the academy is

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01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 8: AI technology is here here to stay. We are afraid

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01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 8: of it because we can't control it, and at the

1866
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 8: same time the marketplace demands it. So if you're graduating

1867
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:28,759
Speaker 8: from college, we're telling you no, no, no, don't use AI,

1868
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 8: and then you get on the marketplace and they want

1869
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 8: to know what do you know about AI? So we

1870
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 8: don't know. It's a real dilemma right now. And like

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01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 8: any technology, like nuclear technology, we're always afraid of it

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01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 8: first before we harness it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Doctor Taylor thirteen half the top down. My

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01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: question to you, though, is kenny AI, because now that

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01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: can it change? Are you concerned that it can change

1876
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 1: our history? We talked about generative AI. There was some

1877
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 1: talk about Dr Martins the King. They created the doctor

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01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 1: Marliy King character and he was saying, all things counted

1879
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 1: to what doctor King said, and now they're restricting our history.

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01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 1: Is this a concern of yours that our history may

1881
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: be distorted through artificial intelligence AI?

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Speaker 8: I just think it's a new tool for the devil,

1883
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:21,599
Speaker 8: and the devil has been doing erasing our history, whether

1884
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 8: with a rubber number two pencil or a black ink

1885
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:34,599
Speaker 8: pen or you know, through banishing books and banishing black

1886
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:41,599
Speaker 8: names all over the place. I think Hannah Harnt, who

1887
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 8: was a Jewish intellectual in World War Two. She talked

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01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 8: about nuclear technology and the directly represented and she basically

1889
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:58,799
Speaker 8: linked religious extremism to the nuclear technology. And she said, basically,

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01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 8: we've always it's had extremists and net cases people with

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01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 8: you know, religious fantasy about the end of the world

1892
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 8: and Armorgeddon and the second Coming of Christ and one

1893
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:16,719
Speaker 8: that you know, expedited with nuclear war. And she said,

1894
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 8: in the past we had that you know, millennial thinking.

1895
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 8: We know, people thinking about the millennium and the apocalypse,

1896
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 8: she said, but now we have a science technology to

1897
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,639
Speaker 8: actually end the world, you know. So we've always had

1898
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 8: you know, religious fanaticism, but now the science is there

1899
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,880
Speaker 8: to end the world with the nuclear technology. So I'm

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01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 8: using that as an analogy to say, we've always had racism,

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01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:46,640
Speaker 8: and now they have the technology to take it to

1902
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 8: another level. The good thing is AI is what Martinus

1903
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,839
Speaker 8: the King would say, like he said about time is neutral.

1904
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 8: It could be used positively or negatively. Unfortunately, there are

1905
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 8: plenty of brilliant black people out there who already have

1906
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 8: a good handle or generative AI and are in the

1907
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:12,200
Speaker 8: science laboratories here in San Francisco and in Silicon Valley.

1908
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 8: There are enough black folk out there who understand AI

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01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,400
Speaker 8: technology and will convey I think, to black people what

1910
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:25,799
Speaker 8: its potential advantages are and threats we we as black people,

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01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 8: should be able to use the technology to our advantage.

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01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 8: It can't just be left to them. If it's here,

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01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:33,800
Speaker 8: we got to use it. We can't just sit back

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01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:37,679
Speaker 8: passively and say, let them continue to shape our image

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01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 8: and distort our truths. And like you saw when AI

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01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 8: company shut down the Martin Luther King depictions, and that's

1917
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 8: what we got to do. You know, we got to

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01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 8: keep fighting when things like that come up and push back.

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01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 8: We have that capacity as a people. So I'm not

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01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:03,879
Speaker 8: afraid of AI. I'm afraid of the same old racism

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01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:06,639
Speaker 8: that white people have had for five hundred years.

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Speaker 1: And right and hold out there, right there. We got

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Speaker 1: to step away for a moment. We come back. But

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Speaker 1: let's get into some real politics. Heare at the doctor, Taylor.

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Speaker 1: I want to forget your idea. What's going on with it?

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Speaker 1: This Supreme Court hearing that took place last week, some

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Speaker 1: people say it's the most significant hearing for black folks

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Speaker 1: since Brown versus Border of Education in the fifties. I

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Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts about that. Family. YouTube can

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Speaker 1: join our discussion with doctor James Taylor. He's a black

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Speaker 1: politics expert. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

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Speaker 1: your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising Family twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: after top are with our guest, doctor James Taylor, doctor

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Speaker 1: Taylor's black politics expert, Doctor Taylor, I just got to

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Speaker 1: share this read before we talk about the Supreme Court hearing.

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01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 1: Though Donald Trump is just you know, posted a meme

1938
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Speaker 1: about him the prospect of abolishing term limits and say

1939
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Speaker 1: that he may stay in office forever. He uses forever

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Speaker 1: for EVA. Do you think people's can doe or is

1941
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:03,600
Speaker 1: he just playing games? Or before he talked about the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court hearing, your thoughts. This happened this morning time.

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Speaker 8: I think this is stupid. Stephen Miller and and and

1944
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 8: the racist white boy from the Duke Great case. That's

1945
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 8: who he is. And he's evengeful, resentful little man and

1946
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 8: living out his racist fantasies and thinking it plays out.

1947
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 8: Carl the Devil, The Devil got his own book and

1948
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 8: the Devil Story don't get to end the way he

1949
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 8: wanted to end. In other words, white folk got their

1950
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 8: own intentions about Black folk. But whenever they try to

1951
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 8: use their evil on us, it always it always comes

1952
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:48,400
Speaker 8: back on them. And uh, like I said, what is

1953
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 8: what is threatening about you know AI and and and

1954
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 8: and the politics of now is they They can distort

1955
01:47:57,400 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 8: who we are, both in terms of technology but also

1956
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 8: in terms of you know, the way Trump can use

1957
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Speaker 8: social media. I don't follow true social I don't follow

1958
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 8: Twitter or x. I can't take those racists. And it's

1959
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 8: bad for my blood pressure to read racism all day,

1960
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 8: and I think it's unhealthy for a lot of us

1961
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 8: to consume the daily racism online. Trump is trolling people,

1962
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 8: trying to upset people, but I think it's also the

1963
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 8: devil Steven Miller behind him and other people around him.

1964
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 8: This is a gathering a cadre of white supremacists. White

1965
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 8: racists who used to always be on the margins of

1966
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:42,680
Speaker 8: American politics have been now allowed to go to the

1967
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 8: center of American politics. And the truth is I gave

1968
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 8: a talk to a group of black students the other day.

1969
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:53,720
Speaker 8: The fifty to seventy year period between Martin Luther King,

1970
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 8: and Barack Obama is the lie. The lie was that

1971
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:03,879
Speaker 8: white people had changed after JFK, after LBJ, after MLK,

1972
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 8: that they had changed, and black people, most, you know,

1973
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 8: the more moderate of us, just sort of went to sleep.

1974
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 8: For the past sixty years. We'd see incidents of racism

1975
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 8: here and there, and we figure, well, most white folks

1976
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 8: are good, and it's all gonna go away. Eventually, all

1977
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 8: the racism gonna go away, and it's is gonna be

1978
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,640
Speaker 8: good white folk and good Black folk, and we're all

1979
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 8: gonna live here with other good people from other groups

1980
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 8: happily ever after on this earth. Well, that's that's the

1981
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:39,840
Speaker 8: opposite of true. And unfortunately, we're experiencing a fierce white backlash.

1982
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:44,400
Speaker 8: And the and the case and the white backlash has

1983
01:49:44,439 --> 01:49:47,600
Speaker 8: been led by John Roberts, the Chief Justice of the

1984
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Speaker 8: Supreme Court. This white man is an extremist, like like

1985
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 8: Stephen Miller is. Don't let John Roberts unassuming prefersorial white

1986
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:02,799
Speaker 8: faith ful you. This man came in with a radical

1987
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 8: agenda that Farakh could not have carried out. This man

1988
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 8: came in and immediately oversaw the passage of citizens united.

1989
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 8: The number one thing that Bernie Sanders is obsessed with

1990
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 8: because of the money corruption that Citizens United allowed, And

1991
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 8: that's just his first case. It overturned a hundred years

1992
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Speaker 8: of precedent. So that's a radical. That's not a conservative.

1993
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:37,000
Speaker 8: John Roberts is a radical. And I call his court

1994
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 8: the extreme Court, not a Supreme Court. It's a white

1995
01:50:42,120 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 8: extreme court because Clarence Thomas is white on the inside,

1996
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Speaker 8: and with his insane wife, the two of them together

1997
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:58,639
Speaker 8: are a devil. Together, they represent a devil. She got

1998
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 8: caught by buses for January sixth, no consequences. The reason

1999
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 8: why America's system should come crashing down is it's wicked.

2000
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 8: It's anti black. So if gentlemen and AI can tear

2001
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 8: this system down, let it tear it down and build

2002
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 8: a new one. Because as long as we have this system,

2003
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,360
Speaker 8: we're gonna stay on the bottom because they play games

2004
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 8: with us every See, Carl, you and I might be

2005
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 8: strong black men like Malcolm, but we can't outlive the devil.

2006
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,200
Speaker 8: So every thirty years, all they gotta do is just

2007
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:35,559
Speaker 8: keep on doing the same dumb stuff. After thirty years

2008
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:39,320
Speaker 8: of a fight, Let's say Malcolm's ministry with thirty years

2009
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:44,719
Speaker 8: hypothetically after thirty years you outlift the system, can outlive Malcolm.

2010
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 8: The System's gonna outlive James Taylor and Call Nelson. So

2011
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 8: no matter how strong we are as black men right now,

2012
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:55,720
Speaker 8: all they gotta do is wait us out and wait

2013
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:58,559
Speaker 8: for a new generation and they can start their racism

2014
01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 8: all over again, because we may not have conveyed to

2015
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 8: the young the need to keep up the fight. So,

2016
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 8: because I'm asking myself, I know, I'm a conscious black

2017
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 8: man and I'm alive during this time where they trying

2018
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 8: to put us in the back of the bus. How

2019
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 8: is that possible with men like me and tanahassee coachs

2020
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 8: and let's say Mark lemont Hill, and let's say you

2021
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 8: know plenty of the women intellectuals that are out there,

2022
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 8: how can this happen on our watch? We're conscious? Well,

2023
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:37,160
Speaker 8: the truth is they have a system and they know

2024
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,680
Speaker 8: how to outlast us. So all they got to do

2025
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 8: is outlast Martin Luther King, outlast Ella Baker, outlast Andy Luhima,

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Speaker 8: and then they put us constantly back at position A.

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01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 8: No matter how far we've gotten, you know, you know,

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Speaker 8: between A and Z, they will outlast us and then

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Speaker 8: put us right back to A and we keep starting

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Speaker 8: all over again. So, yes, Trump is tolling the public,

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01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 8: but it's just like we don't last forever, they don't

2032
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Speaker 8: last forever. Trump is eighty years old. That man got

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01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 8: a good five years left on this earth. So the

2034
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 8: question is what kind of evil can he do in

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01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 8: that time. And the thing that discussed me most of

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01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 8: all of this is the good Whites, Like you know,

2037
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 8: they say good cops, bad cops. The good whites never

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01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 8: seem to win even after they win. They won World

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01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 8: War One, I mean, I'm sorry they wore. They won

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Speaker 8: the Civil War. Somehow the race has survived, like the

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01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 8: good whites never punished the Confederacy. And because the good

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01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 8: whites never punished the Confederacy, we got to deal with

2043
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 8: this racism for the next three hundred years. In Nazi Germany,

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01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 8: it's illegal.

2045
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 4: To be a Nazi.

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Speaker 8: In other countries, you can't go honoring treason. But in America,

2047
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:06,559
Speaker 8: because white people are sick and have always been sick,

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01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 8: and those are Martin Luther King's words, not mine. Martin

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01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 8: Luther King said they are sick. Tony Morrison said they

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01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 8: are bereft. Because of this, you know, we're going to

2051
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 8: constantly be chasing our own tail because they will constantly

2052
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 8: play games with us and keep us distracted. That's what

2053
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 8: Tony Morrison said. They keep us distracted with racism, so

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01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 8: we can't be effectively building and developing affirmatively on our

2055
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 8: own focusing on us. They come tapping us on the shoulder,

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01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 8: harassing us, so that we got to give them our

2057
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:46,480
Speaker 8: attention instead of focusing on our own development.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me jump here twenty eight after the

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Speaker 1: top down the Supreme Court hearing that is probably gonna

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Speaker 1: dismantle of voting rights, this last section two, the voting

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Speaker 1: rights measure. I'm not seeing a lot of concern, doctor Taylor,

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Speaker 1: not just us, but even the Democratic Party, which is

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Speaker 1: this is going to impact famous.

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Speaker 8: With But I bet you if it was taking away

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01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:10,120
Speaker 8: some gay rights, they would see. This is the sickness

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01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:13,120
Speaker 8: of the Democratic Party. They made me sick. If this

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01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 8: was LBG, t Q or TRANS. These devils, all of

2068
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 8: them would be on the rooftop fighting for white men

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01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:23,560
Speaker 8: in dresses. That's what they would do when it comes

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01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:27,080
Speaker 8: to black men. Not a not one of them devils

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01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:30,960
Speaker 8: has a couldn't even say the word black. You listen

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01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:34,200
Speaker 8: to AOC that that little, and she married to a

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01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:37,640
Speaker 8: white man from the Bronx, running around using our rhetoric

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01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 8: whenever she want to sound tough. But AOC can't say

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Speaker 8: the word black. Apparently the only one that could say

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Speaker 8: the word black is Corey Bush, and they've got rid

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01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 8: of her, and maybe Ayanna Presley, but uh and and

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Speaker 8: and sister, the one that stupid Stephen A. Smith criticized

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01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:59,839
Speaker 8: Jasmine Crockett. The only one that will use the word black, call.

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Speaker 4: Why is that?

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01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Doc ka?

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Speaker 8: Kim Jeffries Haw Kim Jeffries does not say the word black.

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01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 8: My point is, how did they get rid of affirmative

2084
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,880
Speaker 8: action on their watch? Hell? Bill Clinton was president when

2085
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:18,600
Speaker 8: they got rid of affirmative action the first time. How

2086
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 8: Because the Democrats don't fight for black people. They fight

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01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 8: for everybody but us. They'll fight for unions, they'll fight

2088
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:28,200
Speaker 8: for days, they'll fight for women, but they are not

2089
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 8: going to fight on no mountain defending black people's rights

2090
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 8: at all. That's why the Democratic Party did not support reparations.

2091
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 8: And yet we see reparations happening all over the place

2092
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:41,200
Speaker 8: right now. We see it in Detroit where they're getting

2093
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:43,560
Speaker 8: twenty five thousand dollars a House. We see it in

2094
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 8: Palm Springs where they're given sixty million dollars to black

2095
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 8: and Latino families that were affected by policy. Meanwhile, the

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01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 8: Democrats know that the only way open and available, the

2097
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 8: only open lane in American politics is left because all

2098
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 8: the lanes are taken by the Democratic Centrists and the Republicans,

2099
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 8: and tragically they're watching the VR. This will be dismantled.

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01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 8: But Carl, they did this in twenty thirteen John Roberts

2101
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:20,680
Speaker 8: in the case of Shelby County, Alabama versus Eric Holder

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01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:25,480
Speaker 8: as the Attorney General, resulted in two things happening at

2103
01:57:25,480 --> 01:57:29,720
Speaker 8: the same time. One, the Court recognized gay marriage officially

2104
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 8: and finally that same session. And I want to be

2105
01:57:34,280 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 8: clear with the audience the way the Supreme work, the

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01:57:37,120 --> 01:57:40,360
Speaker 8: Supreme Court works in terms of this calendar is it

2107
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:45,120
Speaker 8: meets the first Monday of every October. So that's when

2108
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 8: the Supreme Court opens up the first Monday of every October.

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01:57:49,400 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 8: So they just started last week and we're gonna hear

2110
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Speaker 8: about a whole bunch of cases that are on the docket,

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Speaker 8: and they will make a decisions between June and July.

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01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 8: So by the time July comes, Black Americans could have

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01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 8: lost the vote. Yes, by the time July comes, you

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01:58:06,640 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 8: and I could lose the right to vote. And let's

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01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 8: be clear call, we never really had it. The Fifteenth

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01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:14,680
Speaker 8: Amendment gave it to us, and it took it took

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Speaker 8: ninety years later in nineteen sixty five, ninety five years

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Speaker 8: later for it to have teeth. So we had the

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Speaker 8: fifteenth Amendment and we still couldn't vote for one hundred years,

2120
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Speaker 8: and then we got the vote in nineteen sixty five.

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Speaker 8: And there were several sections to it. Section three is

2122
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Speaker 8: what they took out in twenty thirteen, and it had

2123
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Speaker 8: a piece in it that was real powerful called pre clearance.

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01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 8: Preclearance meant if you wanted to do voter ID or

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01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 8: DMV registration, or change the age of voters to seventeen

2126
01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 8: in your city or state like it was mainly the

2127
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Speaker 8: thirteen Confederate States and New York State and Oregon because

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Speaker 8: they all had had racial histories of discrimination in voting,

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01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 8: so they all had to get pre clearance. Well, John

2130
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 8: Roberts and his extreme court took that away. They took

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Speaker 8: the teeth reenforcement. They took preclearance out in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 8: Now they're going for Section two, which is the last

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Speaker 8: tooth of the Voting Rights Act. So once they get

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Speaker 8: finished with this, it's going to be another one hundred

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Speaker 8: years with black people are gonna have to fight for

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Speaker 8: the right to vote. And we're in the twenty first century.

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Speaker 8: That's why you know you're dealing with some real demons,

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Speaker 8: because they know the engine that is everywhere, everybody can

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Speaker 8: see everything. This ain't like the old days of nineteenth

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Speaker 8: century where they can hide in the county office and

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Speaker 8: do some evil and then come out with the evil

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Speaker 8: judge and the evil sheriff and give us some of

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Speaker 8: the evil. This is in open public space. This is

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Speaker 8: in the public domain. We all know what's going on.

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Speaker 8: And yet they're still blatantly trying to undermine black citizenship,

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Speaker 8: this whole fight about birthright citizenship and about immigrants. They're

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Speaker 8: coming for us. We the number. We are, we are

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Speaker 8: the vanguard, we are the one. The Jews. Open Israel

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Speaker 8: recently said, oh, the problem with Palestine in America because

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Speaker 8: of our moral positions of not supporting open evil. So

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Speaker 8: what did they say? A woman, a leader in Israel's

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Speaker 8: of Congress, said it's the black Americans that are the

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Speaker 8: threat they're worried about us because we will speak out

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Speaker 8: and in our music and in our poetry and in

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Speaker 8: our churches. A lot of our pastors have been doing

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Speaker 8: a wonderful job, like Jamal Bryant and other pastors have

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Speaker 8: been doing a stellar job of being in front of this.

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Speaker 8: And Carl was going to come out of all of this.

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Speaker 8: If we don't develop a black consciousness akin to the

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Speaker 8: new Negro movement that gave us Guarvianism on one hand

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Speaker 8: and the Harlem Renaissance on the other, if we don't

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Speaker 8: turn away from white people right now ourselves and it's

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Speaker 8: only on us for the next fifty years, we're going

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Speaker 8: to go to hell with these people.

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Speaker 1: But let me tell out here, doctor Taylor co Bread.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this wasn't that reflected though

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Speaker 1: all these No King rallies that you saw across the

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Speaker 1: country this weekend. You have to look hard to find

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Speaker 1: somebody who looked like us at any of these rallies.

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Speaker 1: If somehow we've just unformally just said, hey, this is

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Speaker 1: not our fight. We're backing up. Y'all got it, You

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Speaker 1: deal with it, and we we sit back and watch.

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Speaker 1: That's what's going on. Or have we somehow reached that

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Speaker 1: level to stay away because they're trying to pull us in.

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Speaker 8: James Balboa made it clear that racism is white people's sickness,

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Speaker 8: not ours. It's our problem that they have a sickness.

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Speaker 8: And if it takes seven million of them to get

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Speaker 8: together yesterday to get this get themselves together. White people

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Speaker 8: need to heal themselves spiritually of their racism, and maybe

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Speaker 8: getting together with seven million other white folk will do

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Speaker 8: that for them. Black people, we're a different mindset. We

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Speaker 8: did our work and we keep putting in work. But

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Speaker 8: I think people are still exhausted from all of what

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Speaker 8: happened in twenty twenty with the pandemic and the police

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Speaker 8: riots and the police killings and the police protests when

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Speaker 8: we were fighting on two fronts, the pandemic of COVID

2187
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Speaker 8: and the pandemic of white racist policing and other racist policing.

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Speaker 8: So black folk and black women are showing that right

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Speaker 8: now it's time for us to drink tea, have our

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Speaker 8: fans in our hand, do our you know, have our

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Speaker 8: boots on the ground, dance, pray, meditate, get together with

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Speaker 8: other black folk, eat, heal, love, and let them deal

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Speaker 8: with their spiritual crisis, because look, January sixth is a

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Speaker 8: metaphor for white people's mindset. That was all them. It

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Speaker 8: was one negro out there, one and he got arrested,

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Speaker 8: but all of them white folks. That's their misery of

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Speaker 8: being white. See white being white? Nobody happy being white.

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Speaker 8: They might have money and middle class them and they

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Speaker 8: don't have to worry about certain financial things, but there's

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Speaker 8: nothing good about being white. There's nothing good about it.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't bless, it only curses, it only hurts the world.

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Speaker 8: Blackness is the opposite. We bless, we love, we forgive,

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Speaker 8: we vibe, we gazz, we blues, and we hip hop,

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Speaker 8: and we keep producing new music and new art and

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Speaker 8: new culture and new loves. And we didn't need to

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Speaker 8: be out there yesterday. And that's why you notice, whenever

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Speaker 8: white people get together, the police don't show up. Seven

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Speaker 8: million people. There wasn't one single arrest all day yesterday.

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Speaker 8: Now that happened with us in the million MA in

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Speaker 8: March October sixteen, nineteen ninety five. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 8: but I just think it's phenomenal that when white people

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Speaker 8: march together, they don't have no massive police protests. But

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Speaker 8: when we rose up in Black Lives Matter and George Floyd, they.

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Speaker 1: Did all right. Hold on though, right there, Doc. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we're to take a quick break. Cliff

2216
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Speaker 1: wants to speak with you. If family, you two can

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Speaker 1: join our conversation with doctor James Taylor. Just reach out

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Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

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Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls. Next

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising Family fact is starting your week with

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Speaker 1: us at nineteen minutes away from the top. They are

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Speaker 1: with our guest, Doctor James Taylor, is a black politics expert.

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Speaker 1: He'd like to speak to him. Reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Before we go back to m vill let me just

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Speaker 1: remind you. Coming up later this week, we're going to

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Speaker 1: hear from Morgan State University professor doctor Ray Wimbush. Also

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Speaker 1: from the Million Women's Marsh they're having their anniversary. We

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Speaker 1: dealt with the men last week. Well, they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: their anniversary this week and Sister Philly will be here. Also,

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Speaker 1: the National Black Farmers Association President John Boyd will jonas

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Speaker 1: black farmers are catching hell. He'll tell us why and

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Speaker 1: how what they do, how they're dealing with that, and

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Speaker 1: also grew Boba Lumumba from the Mooja House in the

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Speaker 1: district of Jonas as well. So if you are in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: make sure you keep you ready, locked in tight, real

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Speaker 1: tight on ten t WLB if you're in the DMV

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Speaker 1: or on fourteen fifteen w L. All right, Donna Tayls,

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Speaker 1: I message you got some folks already want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. Cliff's calling from Connecticut's online one Grand Rising. Cliff,

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Speaker 1: your question for doctor Taylor.

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Speaker 14: The grand Rising brother Kyle grandm Rising to your guest,

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Speaker 14: Doctor Taylor. I totally agree with you one hundred percent.

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Speaker 14: But here's my question, Doctor Taylor. The point I'm making

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Speaker 14: that or the question that I'm getting to, is that

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Speaker 14: there I have seen a rise in a particular group

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Speaker 14: of white people that harbor this racist sentiment and that

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Speaker 14: those to me are white Christian nationalists. And I believe,

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Speaker 14: and I want to get your opinion, I believe that

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Speaker 14: their thoughts that God, their white God, has given this

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Speaker 14: country to them also have given him the privilege to

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Speaker 14: keep this land and to make it white. So that

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Speaker 14: means to get rid of black people, to get rid

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Speaker 14: of illegal immigrants, also transgender and also the fight against

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Speaker 14: abortion because they want to keep the white population. Does

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Speaker 14: that make a little bit of sense? Does that sounds reasonable?

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Speaker 14: Doctor Taylor?

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Speaker 8: It is absolutely accurate. I've said that here on Calls

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Speaker 8: Hill a number of times, and thank you for your

2260
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,960
Speaker 8: call that Roe v. Wade was about racism. It has

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Speaker 8: nothing to do It has very little to do with gender.

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Speaker 8: That road. When Trump said in twenty around twenty twenty

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Speaker 8: when he was running I think twenty when he was running,

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Speaker 8: he made the point in an interview that women should

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Speaker 8: get arrested for abortions, and he meant white women, and

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Speaker 8: why because they need because every other group is having

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Speaker 8: a baby boom. Right now, black people are forty five million.

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Speaker 8: We're going to seventy five million in thirty years. So

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Speaker 8: by twenty seventy five, the US Census projects there'll be

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Speaker 8: seventy five million blacks. By twenty sixty five, the census

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Speaker 8: projects there'll be sixty five million blacks, and then ten

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Speaker 8: more ten years later. So then the Asian population is

2273
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Speaker 8: going from three percent to six So as long as

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Speaker 8: you've been alive, just imagine there's gonna be twice as

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02:07:02,200 --> 02:07:05,080
Speaker 8: many Asians before you die than when you were first born.

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Speaker 8: In the next thirty forty years, Latinos women are out

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Speaker 8: birth and white women in every county in America, including

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Speaker 8: in all white states like Vermont. I'm saying South Dakota.

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Speaker 8: So there's a browning of America, and it's inevitable. And

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Speaker 8: I like to joke around and say, one of these days,

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Speaker 8: we're gonna see the last white man here. Like Columbus,

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Speaker 8: He's gonna be the un Columbus. He gonna be the

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Speaker 8: last white man to close the door for Europe. When

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Speaker 8: the white man finally leaves America the same way Columbus came,

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Speaker 8: there's gonna be a white man who's fame is for

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Speaker 8: being the last one to leave. Because that's what's happening. Inevitably.

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Speaker 8: Whites can't keep up birthwives, they can't keep up with

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Speaker 8: the birth rates. They're women fifty sixty years ago decided

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Speaker 8: through birth control to control how many children they have. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 8: called they laughed at us, They called our families pathological.

2291
02:07:58,120 --> 02:08:02,240
Speaker 8: They said our families were illegitimate, our fathers were illegitimate,

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Speaker 8: Our family structure was bastardized and pathological. That's the word

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Speaker 8: Daniel P. Moynihan used. Was that in the Moynihan Report

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Speaker 8: in nineteen sixty five, it basically said the black family

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Speaker 8: was pathological. And he's an Irish. He was Irish Catholic,

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Speaker 8: so they didn't believe in birth control. So the Kennedys right,

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Speaker 8: and someone like you know, the Soner I'm talking about

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Speaker 8: Daniel Patrick moynihan, the Irish, so they believe in big,

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Speaker 8: big families, no birth control, right. But so Daniel Patrick

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Speaker 8: moynihan was an Irish intellectual who Hillary Clinton replaced as

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Speaker 8: a senator.

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Speaker 2: In New York.

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Speaker 8: He wore bow tie, He was an intellectual, he was

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Speaker 8: a smart man. He worked for Nixon and the best

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Speaker 8: he could do when it came to us. Because our

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Speaker 8: family structure is called it pathological. But the point I'm

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Speaker 8: trying to make is as a Catholic, his family was

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Speaker 8: also large and not nuclear. In other words, Catholics, the

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Speaker 8: Italians and the Irish and Mexicans do not embrace one man,

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Speaker 8: one woman, two kids of white ticket fence and the garage.

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Speaker 8: That's the WASP fantasy, the white Anglo Saxon Protestant fantasy,

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Speaker 8: and what I'm trying to say, real quickly, call is

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Speaker 8: that structure of when the woman finally got out the

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Speaker 8: house and started working side by side with her husband.

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Speaker 8: White women decided to have few with children, and as

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Speaker 8: Malcolm said, the chickens have finally come home to roost.

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Speaker 8: See because when you were mocking black people, saying they're

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Speaker 8: all in the hood, your ghetto, you didn't got no daddy's. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 8: white families were experiencing fifty percent divorces too. But on

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Speaker 8: top of that call again, they meant it for our

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Speaker 8: bad and they mocked our family structure. But there's an

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Speaker 8: article you can find by David Brooks, the Reagan Knight

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Speaker 8: New York Times writer that it says the nuclear family,

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Speaker 8: we had it wrong all along, and he says in

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Speaker 8: the five hundred year history of Western Europe, he says,

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Speaker 8: the idea of a nuclear family was a lie. It

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Speaker 8: was a slander on non white people because non white

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Speaker 8: people don't have no one man, one woman, two kids

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Speaker 8: in a white picket fence family structure. We have large families,

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Speaker 8: matrimonial families, black mothers, sisters, black mothers and their sisters

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Speaker 8: and their mothers. Black women have taken care of black families,

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Speaker 8: helped take care of black families, right, So my point

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Speaker 8: is they mocked us, and they Bill O'Reilly made a

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Speaker 8: career on Fox News talking about ninety five percent of

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Speaker 8: black kids are born out of wedlock, and this idiot

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Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk did the same thing. Black people are born

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Speaker 8: out of wedlock. What business isn't a bess if we

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Speaker 8: have ninety five percent born out of wedlock when they

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Speaker 8: got sixty percent divorce, which means they kids are being

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Speaker 8: raised and divided families too. But beyond that, white families

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Speaker 8: are dying out now because they stupidly in placed the

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Speaker 8: nuclear family model for the past fifty years. And ain't

2343
02:11:13,320 --> 02:11:15,920
Speaker 8: nobody else dying out because they did not?

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Speaker 1: Good point twelve away from the top, Doctor Taylor. Sisters

2345
02:11:21,640 --> 02:11:24,480
Speaker 1: Serrita's checking in from La. She's online too, Grand Rising,

2346
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 1: Sister Serida.

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02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:29,800
Speaker 13: Your question for doctor Taylor, Grand Rising, Oh my god,

2348
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:34,160
Speaker 13: doctor James Taylor, you are you are such quality radio.

2349
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:38,520
Speaker 13: You know, I just absolutely love love when you come on.

2350
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:41,960
Speaker 13: And here's my thing, and I'm gonna ask my question.

2351
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:47,040
Speaker 13: The first thing is that we literally they're so obsessed

2352
02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:50,880
Speaker 13: with black people. We literally live rent free in their

2353
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:55,480
Speaker 13: heads literally rent free in their heads and so it's

2354
02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:59,760
Speaker 13: just crazy to me. But doctor Taylor, I wanted to know,

2355
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:10,320
Speaker 13: what do you suggest that the gen X's invest in

2356
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:11,760
Speaker 13: teaching even more so?

2357
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:12,320
Speaker 15: Now?

2358
02:12:13,240 --> 02:12:18,520
Speaker 13: Because I noticed with gen these even though some of

2359
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:23,160
Speaker 13: them because I raised Gen Z's and they're very intellectual,

2360
02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:29,040
Speaker 13: but some of the stuff that I think they're not

2361
02:12:29,320 --> 02:12:33,720
Speaker 13: rolling with. If you will, what do you think that

2362
02:12:34,200 --> 02:12:41,320
Speaker 13: our generation could direct them in of importance? Now, my

2363
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:44,800
Speaker 13: daughters they understand voting and things of that nature. They

2364
02:12:45,080 --> 02:12:48,240
Speaker 13: understand the investment, but they seem to go in a

2365
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:52,320
Speaker 13: different aspect. They understand that generational wealth is not just

2366
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:57,000
Speaker 13: based on money. However, what would you suggest, doctor Taylor,

2367
02:12:57,240 --> 02:13:02,839
Speaker 13: that parents invest in even more with with their children.

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02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:06,320
Speaker 13: And also, do you believe in this state that we

2369
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:11,520
Speaker 13: are in, do you believe that starting a business is

2370
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:17,720
Speaker 13: a good decision to do under this raggedy administration? And

2371
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:19,480
Speaker 13: I'll take my cards right, no.

2372
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:21,880
Speaker 8: Thank you. I think I think the thing we need

2373
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:24,680
Speaker 8: to teach our children is self esteem and self worth

2374
02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:29,800
Speaker 8: and self love and knowledge of self like the honor

2375
02:13:29,800 --> 02:13:33,120
Speaker 8: of Leijah, Muhammad tried to tell us there was great

2376
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:37,160
Speaker 8: value in the Nation of Islam program around self esteem

2377
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:41,800
Speaker 8: and Black self consciousness, and we need a organized Black

2378
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:45,120
Speaker 8: consciousness right now. The U n I A. The Garvy

2379
02:13:45,240 --> 02:13:48,760
Speaker 8: Movement wasn't It wasn't about Garvey's charisma. It was just

2380
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:52,760
Speaker 8: that the racism of lynching and the racism of Woodrow Wilson,

2381
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:55,600
Speaker 8: who was a Donald Trump of his time. When he

2382
02:13:55,720 --> 02:13:57,760
Speaker 8: showed Birth of a Nation at the at the White

2383
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 8: House and celebrated the ku Kuk clan black folk had

2384
02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:04,200
Speaker 8: five thousand people hanging from trees. We had to turn

2385
02:14:04,280 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 8: our backs on them, and we turned towards ourselves, and

2386
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 8: we built a world called the New Negro Movement in

2387
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:13,960
Speaker 8: Harlem that's spread through every where. It's spread to La

2388
02:14:14,080 --> 02:14:17,400
Speaker 8: It's spread to Oakland, It's spread to San Francisco. It's

2389
02:14:17,400 --> 02:14:22,200
Speaker 8: spread to Omaha. It's spread to places like Tulsa. It's

2390
02:14:22,240 --> 02:14:27,600
Speaker 8: spread to places in Oklahoma and in Nebraska and in

2391
02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:32,160
Speaker 8: the Midwest. So I think we have to teach our

2392
02:14:32,280 --> 02:14:36,760
Speaker 8: children knowledge of self, teach them self love that they are.

2393
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:40,360
Speaker 8: So in other words, I think we can't focus on

2394
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:43,200
Speaker 8: anything outside of them. I don't think we should talk

2395
02:14:43,200 --> 02:14:46,200
Speaker 8: about what they need to educate themselves with and what

2396
02:14:46,360 --> 02:14:49,520
Speaker 8: companies they need to build. We got to build black

2397
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:53,040
Speaker 8: people's inner parts first. And that's why I think a student,

2398
02:14:53,160 --> 02:14:58,160
Speaker 8: for example, majoring in business, you know, like say at Berkeley,

2399
02:14:58,440 --> 02:15:00,720
Speaker 8: when I taught at Berkeley for six years, we would

2400
02:15:00,760 --> 02:15:04,760
Speaker 8: have a lot of black students who were majoring in

2401
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:08,080
Speaker 8: African American studies take the class. And the reason is

2402
02:15:08,120 --> 02:15:10,240
Speaker 8: because they wanted to show up the strength of who

2403
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:13,440
Speaker 8: they were. So when they go to business or engineering,

2404
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:17,520
Speaker 8: or law study or or any other area, they will

2405
02:15:17,600 --> 02:15:22,160
Speaker 8: have a healthy strength of inner inner self inner self esteem.

2406
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:31,200
Speaker 8: Black people need to be encouraged to keep loving themselves.

2407
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:34,080
Speaker 8: And I don't think we should love anybody else. I

2408
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:36,240
Speaker 8: don't think we should be teaching love of others. That's

2409
02:15:36,840 --> 02:15:39,280
Speaker 8: if that's your religious belief, more power to you. I

2410
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:41,520
Speaker 8: think we should be teaching black people to love black people.

2411
02:15:41,720 --> 02:15:44,720
Speaker 8: I'm like Easter Ray, I'm vooting. I'm rooting for everybody black,

2412
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:47,960
Speaker 8: that's right. I ain't rooting for nobody black that's wrong,

2413
02:15:48,040 --> 02:15:52,320
Speaker 8: like Kansas Owens or Kanye West or somebody or Snoop Dogg.

2414
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:54,520
Speaker 8: I ain't rooting for none of them right now. But

2415
02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:58,400
Speaker 8: I'm rooting for everybody black. Who who who? Who? Who?

2416
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:00,960
Speaker 8: My mother would sit down at the table and feed

2417
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:04,040
Speaker 8: if they came over to my mother's house, That's who

2418
02:16:04,080 --> 02:16:06,560
Speaker 8: I'm looking for. And we got to understand how young

2419
02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:09,840
Speaker 8: people are have this technology. They're going to be on

2420
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:15,560
Speaker 8: the cutting edge of AI and other new technologies. They're smart,

2421
02:16:16,280 --> 02:16:19,640
Speaker 8: they can handle it. We have to have faith in

2422
02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:24,400
Speaker 8: that generation coming, the generation Z. I have three teenagers

2423
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:27,360
Speaker 8: of my own. They're smart. Two of my sons are

2424
02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:31,440
Speaker 8: in college right now. My daughter is walking around reading

2425
02:16:31,480 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 8: books at fifteen. She reads, She's reading Sula, she's reading Beloved.

2426
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:39,680
Speaker 8: She's reading like we did in the nineties and two

2427
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:42,280
Speaker 8: thousands and eighties, in the seventies and the sixties. She's

2428
02:16:42,360 --> 02:16:46,400
Speaker 8: reading books. I'm telling black kids read James Baldwin, or

2429
02:16:46,840 --> 02:16:50,119
Speaker 8: go online and listen to Baldwin. Just go put Baldwin

2430
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:52,960
Speaker 8: on YouTube and just let James Baldwin talk to you

2431
02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:58,400
Speaker 8: on YouTube. If you're afraid of these times, listen to Baldwin.

2432
02:16:58,560 --> 02:17:02,760
Speaker 8: He tells you it's there spiritual crisis. Baldwin says, the

2433
02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:06,320
Speaker 8: N word is them. They made it up. They came

2434
02:17:06,440 --> 02:17:09,280
Speaker 8: up with the evil. It came from within their imagination.

2435
02:17:09,680 --> 02:17:12,200
Speaker 8: So he said, I always knew I was not the end.

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02:17:12,720 --> 02:17:16,280
Speaker 8: I knew you were, And Tony Morrison said the same thing.

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02:17:16,560 --> 02:17:20,119
Speaker 8: She said, my father, her father knew he was spiritually

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02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:24,640
Speaker 8: superior to the white men spiritually, and I believe black

2439
02:17:24,640 --> 02:17:28,320
Speaker 8: people are spiritually superior to white people in America and

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02:17:28,480 --> 02:17:32,280
Speaker 8: on the entire earth. We are the good. We are

2441
02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:37,160
Speaker 8: the hue in human, were the hue in human. I

2442
02:17:37,240 --> 02:17:39,360
Speaker 8: wish we stopped spelling human h U m a N

2443
02:17:39,640 --> 02:17:42,600
Speaker 8: and selling h u E m a N. Because we're

2444
02:17:42,640 --> 02:17:46,840
Speaker 8: the human. We're the good in this world. The only

2445
02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:48,680
Speaker 8: thing we do wrong is we turn on each other

2446
02:17:48,959 --> 02:17:53,440
Speaker 8: with self hate, with guns and violence and domestic violence.

2447
02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:58,840
Speaker 8: But when it comes to everybody else, hell, you can't

2448
02:17:58,879 --> 02:18:01,360
Speaker 8: find a more loving way. He's on the planet when

2449
02:18:01,440 --> 02:18:05,160
Speaker 8: it comes to everybody else except ourselves. So we need

2450
02:18:05,240 --> 02:18:08,480
Speaker 8: to focus on self love. But then you know what

2451
02:18:08,879 --> 02:18:11,320
Speaker 8: comes out of that system is kids will do their

2452
02:18:11,360 --> 02:18:16,000
Speaker 8: own businesses. You know, this is kid kay Senet. He's

2453
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:18,880
Speaker 8: some kind of phenomena. This kid got a blog or

2454
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:22,879
Speaker 8: a podcast and now it's become bigger than David Letterman

2455
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:25,400
Speaker 8: we used to be, or Johnny Carson used to be.

2456
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:27,680
Speaker 8: Where everybody wants to come and sit at this boy's

2457
02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:31,760
Speaker 8: apartment and he's making millions of dollars and I don't

2458
02:18:31,800 --> 02:18:35,480
Speaker 8: know how to do that. That's the new generation and

2459
02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:39,240
Speaker 8: they're winning. So I have faith our young people will

2460
02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:41,640
Speaker 8: master the technology going forward.

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02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:45,959
Speaker 1: But we have the right aside for a few moments.

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02:18:46,280 --> 02:18:47,879
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought of there and Jane

2463
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:50,600
Speaker 1: Detroit wants the speaker there and Kay Senett, by the way,

2464
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:53,440
Speaker 1: it's a young Haitian brother, So four minutes away from

2465
02:18:53,480 --> 02:18:56,040
Speaker 1: the top day out for those folks who're just like uh,

2466
02:18:56,480 --> 02:19:00,280
Speaker 1: the Ados folks. Kai sinets Haitian and he's doing just

2467
02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:03,240
Speaker 1: exactly what doctor James Taylor talked about. Anyway, as I mentioned,

2468
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:04,840
Speaker 1: we got to step aside a few moments in Jane

2469
02:19:04,879 --> 02:19:06,800
Speaker 1: Detroit got a question for doctor Taylor. You two can

2470
02:19:06,879 --> 02:19:09,080
Speaker 1: join the conversation. Reach out to us at eight hundred

2471
02:19:09,160 --> 02:19:11,720
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight to seventy six and

2472
02:19:11,720 --> 02:19:15,240
Speaker 1: I'll take yout phone calls next and grind Rising family,

2473
02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:17,240
Speaker 1: thanks for rolling with us on this Monday morning. Thanks

2474
02:19:17,240 --> 02:19:19,040
Speaker 1: for starting your week with us and our guest, Doctor

2475
02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:23,040
Speaker 1: James Taylor is a black politics expert. He teaches it

2476
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:26,320
Speaker 1: teaches black politics, I should say, at the University of

2477
02:19:26,360 --> 02:19:28,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco. You'd like to speak to him. Reach out

2478
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:30,480
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

2479
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:33,400
Speaker 1: eight seventy six. As I mentioned Jay's calling from Detroit.

2480
02:19:33,480 --> 02:19:35,320
Speaker 1: He's online. One has a question or a comment for

2481
02:19:35,440 --> 02:19:38,199
Speaker 1: doctor Taylor. Jay grand Rising around with doctor Taylor.

2482
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:43,840
Speaker 2: Grand Rising, curl grand rither than to doctor Taylor. I

2483
02:19:43,959 --> 02:19:47,440
Speaker 2: want to ask doctor Taylor question about what I think

2484
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:50,160
Speaker 2: was the most important event that went on last week,

2485
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:54,200
Speaker 2: and I haven't heard too much talk about it. They

2486
02:19:54,280 --> 02:19:59,440
Speaker 2: had the IMF and World Bank conference in DC last week,

2487
02:20:00,440 --> 02:20:03,000
Speaker 2: and as I was traveling through the country and I

2488
02:20:03,080 --> 02:20:05,359
Speaker 2: happened to come through there and it was this incredible

2489
02:20:05,480 --> 02:20:07,920
Speaker 2: traffic jam, and I was trying to figure out what

2490
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:11,520
Speaker 2: it was all about. And as far as I'm concerned,

2491
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:17,560
Speaker 2: that's where all the movers and shakers worldwide get together

2492
02:20:17,640 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 2: and make the agenda for so many things that's going

2493
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:24,240
Speaker 2: to affect everybody in the world. And if you look

2494
02:20:24,280 --> 02:20:28,199
Speaker 2: at their schedule and see what the each conference was about,

2495
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:33,480
Speaker 2: you really see that's where the agenda is made, as

2496
02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:37,440
Speaker 2: opposed to a lot of the diversions that they have here,

2497
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:42,040
Speaker 2: especially because the US is becoming more isolationists because of

2498
02:20:42,120 --> 02:20:46,160
Speaker 2: the current administration. And their policy. So I wanted doctor

2499
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:48,560
Speaker 2: Taylor to kind of comment that if he was aware

2500
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:51,120
Speaker 2: that that was going on last week.

2501
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:56,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I wasn't. But you know, Bob Marley's song

2502
02:20:56,600 --> 02:20:59,400
Speaker 8: chased them Crazy ball Heads out of Our Town is

2503
02:20:59,440 --> 02:21:02,560
Speaker 8: a song about out the IMF and in in Jamaica,

2504
02:21:03,080 --> 02:21:07,920
Speaker 8: UH during his lifetime. And I'm not surprised. You know,

2505
02:21:08,040 --> 02:21:10,960
Speaker 8: DC is the capital, and there's all kinds of meetings

2506
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:14,320
Speaker 8: going on all the time with these financers this UH.

2507
02:21:14,400 --> 02:21:18,000
Speaker 8: They're you know, deeply implicated in the Epstein files. UH

2508
02:21:18,200 --> 02:21:20,959
Speaker 8: is Bank of America, which got sued this week by

2509
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:23,800
Speaker 8: one of the survivors. A number of other large banks

2510
02:21:24,879 --> 02:21:27,840
Speaker 8: we what was it leaving Brothers, and there's the other

2511
02:21:27,920 --> 02:21:32,440
Speaker 8: one that's really powerful. They were, you know, opening up

2512
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:36,720
Speaker 8: over one hundred and fifty accounts for Epstein. So this

2513
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:41,560
Speaker 8: is high corruption and blackmail and compromant, as the Russians

2514
02:21:41,640 --> 02:21:45,720
Speaker 8: call it. UH. But it's also the case if you remember,

2515
02:21:46,120 --> 02:21:48,279
Speaker 8: you know a few years ago it was Paul Wolfowitz,

2516
02:21:48,680 --> 02:21:51,960
Speaker 8: it was the Neo cons UH, and they would be

2517
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:54,879
Speaker 8: meeting in the World Bank and setting agendas and setting

2518
02:21:55,360 --> 02:21:59,920
Speaker 8: debt situations for mainly non European countries. To keep us

2519
02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:04,800
Speaker 8: completely dependent. So they're always conspiring and I'm not surprised,

2520
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:08,480
Speaker 8: but like I said, you know, they made they meant,

2521
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:10,800
Speaker 8: they mean it for a bad but God means it

2522
02:22:10,879 --> 02:22:15,240
Speaker 8: for our good. So whatever they contrive with the World

2523
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:19,199
Speaker 8: Bank's gonna hurt African countries, uh and and and West

2524
02:22:19,240 --> 02:22:22,720
Speaker 8: Indian countries. But the beauty of Africa is you have

2525
02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:26,520
Speaker 8: some some shining lights like Julius Malemma in South Africa

2526
02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:30,520
Speaker 8: who's speaking bluntly about the situation there and got Trump

2527
02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:34,480
Speaker 8: so scaredy bringing white folk over here. And and then

2528
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:41,640
Speaker 8: also you have a brother in Bikini, Fossa Abraham Terri,

2529
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:45,880
Speaker 8: you know, basically kicking the French out and exposing that

2530
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:50,920
Speaker 8: the French as a colonizer is welfare dependent on its

2531
02:22:51,080 --> 02:22:56,560
Speaker 8: African colonies. Without Africa, France is a poor Eastern European country,

2532
02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:59,680
Speaker 8: like you know some of the Eastern Block countries like Georgia,

2533
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:04,640
Speaker 8: you know, or Ukraine. That's what France is without Africa

2534
02:23:04,959 --> 02:23:09,800
Speaker 8: is like Ukraine, a poor European country. So that's been exposed.

2535
02:23:09,840 --> 02:23:13,760
Speaker 8: We've seen Trinidad and Tobago this own the crown and

2536
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:17,040
Speaker 8: withdraw themselves from the from the Commonwealth and remove the

2537
02:23:17,160 --> 02:23:20,880
Speaker 8: king from the head of state in Tobago. This is

2538
02:23:20,920 --> 02:23:23,800
Speaker 8: all part of a reparation's mindset, and I really do

2539
02:23:23,879 --> 02:23:26,000
Speaker 8: think Black people need to understand reparations and not just

2540
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:30,000
Speaker 8: about money. Reparations is a total revolution in relationship to

2541
02:23:30,080 --> 02:23:33,760
Speaker 8: white capitalism and relationship to white people, and in relationship

2542
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:36,880
Speaker 8: to the police, because the police police the poor. And

2543
02:23:36,959 --> 02:23:40,600
Speaker 8: if we have reparations, reasonable reparations, it should change the

2544
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:45,920
Speaker 8: the economic relationship between Black America and capitalism, Black America

2545
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:49,440
Speaker 8: and white America, Black America and blue America, the police.

2546
02:23:51,240 --> 02:23:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gree without Africa and African people throughout the

2547
02:23:57,240 --> 02:24:02,520
Speaker 2: diaspe or the world stops. That's my last comment. So

2548
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:03,520
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.

2549
02:24:03,800 --> 02:24:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thank you.

2550
02:24:04,959 --> 02:24:05,160
Speaker 5: Jay.

2551
02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:08,000
Speaker 1: Got a tweet question for your doctor Taylor. Tweet says

2552
02:24:08,480 --> 02:24:11,199
Speaker 1: a grand rising doctor Taylor. With the government and corporate

2553
02:24:11,240 --> 02:24:14,320
Speaker 1: America laying off and firing hundreds of thousands of people

2554
02:24:14,360 --> 02:24:17,560
Speaker 1: in the name of saving money on production by AI,

2555
02:24:17,840 --> 02:24:21,680
Speaker 1: with those actions expanding poverty and joblessness, at what point

2556
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:26,160
Speaker 1: will these employers recognize their broad efforts have and will

2557
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:29,080
Speaker 1: continue to contract the economy and therefore the corporate bottom

2558
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:33,000
Speaker 1: line because they are eliminating the buyers from the market place.

2559
02:24:33,080 --> 02:24:34,840
Speaker 1: It want to get your thoughts, well.

2560
02:24:35,080 --> 02:24:37,800
Speaker 8: Elon Musk basically said, there's going to have to be

2561
02:24:38,520 --> 02:24:43,440
Speaker 8: a basic universal income for the you know, for the

2562
02:24:43,480 --> 02:24:48,280
Speaker 8: next generation of people, because AI will create a what

2563
02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:53,800
Speaker 8: Mark's called a reserve army of surplus labor where people

2564
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:56,920
Speaker 8: can't find jobs and they become a danger. They become

2565
02:24:56,959 --> 02:25:03,680
Speaker 8: a threat, and so it would behoove the economic class,

2566
02:25:03,840 --> 02:25:09,920
Speaker 8: the one percenters to find ways to minimize suffering because

2567
02:25:09,959 --> 02:25:14,320
Speaker 8: if not, the society is unstable. So again Elon Musk's

2568
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:16,480
Speaker 8: argument is, with the way things look in terms of

2569
02:25:16,520 --> 02:25:18,600
Speaker 8: what technology is going to do to the labor force

2570
02:25:18,920 --> 02:25:23,160
Speaker 8: of the US and the world, country is going to

2571
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:25,440
Speaker 8: have to come up with welfare like they did with

2572
02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:28,440
Speaker 8: the Social Security Act of nineteen thirty five after the

2573
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:33,480
Speaker 8: Great Depression, like they did with social welfare, and you know,

2574
02:25:35,320 --> 02:25:37,800
Speaker 8: a social safety net. So a social safety net will

2575
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:40,680
Speaker 8: have to be created for people because if work is

2576
02:25:40,760 --> 02:25:42,840
Speaker 8: not there. Again I'm not the economists, but if work

2577
02:25:42,959 --> 02:25:47,120
Speaker 8: is not there, politics political science shows you do create

2578
02:25:47,360 --> 02:25:51,440
Speaker 8: a dangerous situation with unemployed workers. So you might have

2579
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:56,040
Speaker 8: to give everybody a basic income, you know, a salary

2580
02:25:56,400 --> 02:26:02,840
Speaker 8: to keep everybody fed. Otherwise it's constant. It's the French Revolution,

2581
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:04,560
Speaker 8: it's instability.

2582
02:26:05,360 --> 02:26:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And after the top, doctor Hill, help us

2583
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:13,599
Speaker 1: out because Proposition fifties on the state ballot in California

2584
02:26:13,720 --> 02:26:16,800
Speaker 1: and next month. Most folks, if you're not in California,

2585
02:26:16,879 --> 02:26:19,720
Speaker 1: don't know anything about fifty. Can you tell us what

2586
02:26:19,879 --> 02:26:20,560
Speaker 1: that's all about.

2587
02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:25,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, fifty represents the fifty states, and California is redrawing

2588
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:29,000
Speaker 8: its maps to basically eliminate almost every Republican district in

2589
02:26:29,160 --> 02:26:33,160
Speaker 8: order to offset Texas's effort under Abbot and the Republicans

2590
02:26:33,440 --> 02:26:36,480
Speaker 8: to create more districts. So the Texas is trying to

2591
02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:41,960
Speaker 8: help Trump avoid a defeat in the midterm. Incumbent president

2592
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:45,840
Speaker 8: always suffers in the midterm. Obama was elected in two

2593
02:26:45,879 --> 02:26:48,960
Speaker 8: to eight. Obama got destroyed by the Tea Party in

2594
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:52,480
Speaker 8: twenty ten. Obama's presidency was never the same from twenty

2595
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:55,840
Speaker 8: eleven and twenty twelve, and Obama's presidency basically ended in

2596
02:26:55,920 --> 02:26:57,959
Speaker 8: the midterm. That's what we need to do for Trump

2597
02:26:58,440 --> 02:27:03,120
Speaker 8: and Trump's presidency next November and in the last two years,

2598
02:27:03,200 --> 02:27:07,560
Speaker 8: he's a lame duck Trump, and so I think that's

2599
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:09,880
Speaker 8: what you know that's what we have to do and

2600
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:14,000
Speaker 8: understand that they're coming after our voting rights through the

2601
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:19,720
Speaker 8: Voting Rights Law fifty basically says that California can redraw

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02:27:19,800 --> 02:27:25,960
Speaker 8: its maps. Normally, a civilian board has decided how California's

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02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:30,240
Speaker 8: redistricting has done every ten years after the census, and

2604
02:27:30,360 --> 02:27:33,440
Speaker 8: that's how it's done. People. Every ten years, states redraw

2605
02:27:33,560 --> 02:27:38,080
Speaker 8: their maps because people have moved. And wherever people have moved,

2606
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:41,320
Speaker 8: that's where more electoral seats go to. So if people

2607
02:27:41,440 --> 02:27:46,080
Speaker 8: move from say New York to say Alabama, then Alabama's

2608
02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:49,120
Speaker 8: gonna get one seat. Like California lost a seat recently

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02:27:49,400 --> 02:27:53,280
Speaker 8: in Congress because people were leaving California, and Florida and

2610
02:27:53,400 --> 02:27:57,080
Speaker 8: Texas gained seats because people were moving to Florida and

2611
02:27:57,200 --> 02:28:00,880
Speaker 8: to Texas. So that's how it works. But the fifty

2612
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:05,240
Speaker 8: prop fifty represents fifty states in the Union, saving them

2613
02:28:05,680 --> 02:28:09,880
Speaker 8: from Donald Trump and Republicans like Peter of whatever. That

2614
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:14,320
Speaker 8: Miller boy's name is Steven Miller. Where they're trying to

2615
02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:18,880
Speaker 8: basically manipulate the midterm elections. And so Gavin Newsom, I'm

2616
02:28:18,879 --> 02:28:21,160
Speaker 8: glad he's doing it, is saying, no, I got the

2617
02:28:21,240 --> 02:28:23,760
Speaker 8: fourth largest economy on the planet. I got the most

2618
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:27,640
Speaker 8: diverse state on the planet. It's the most wealthy state

2619
02:28:27,680 --> 02:28:32,000
Speaker 8: in America because it's the most diverse. And you know,

2620
02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:35,400
Speaker 8: Gavin Newsom is taking you know, drawing his line in

2621
02:28:35,480 --> 02:28:38,959
Speaker 8: the sand. And now Obama is out here on commercials

2622
02:28:39,240 --> 02:28:42,440
Speaker 8: supporting it and call to be clear the support for

2623
02:28:42,560 --> 02:28:45,160
Speaker 8: the passage of Prop. Fifty, which is good for black folk.

2624
02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:48,720
Speaker 8: So yes, yes on fifty is good.

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02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:52,440
Speaker 1: Well let me ask you this though, though, Doctors Hayle,

2626
02:28:52,520 --> 02:28:56,200
Speaker 1: are you concerned though, because some people think that the election,

2627
02:28:56,840 --> 02:28:59,320
Speaker 1: the last president's election was you know, there was some

2628
02:28:59,400 --> 02:29:01,280
Speaker 1: monkey business is going if I can use that term

2629
02:29:01,959 --> 02:29:04,600
Speaker 1: with Elon Musk and the computers, are you concerned that

2630
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:07,040
Speaker 1: you'll put this in the vote and it's and it

2631
02:29:07,080 --> 02:29:10,520
Speaker 1: will fail because somebody tampered with the results. Is that

2632
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:11,119
Speaker 1: an issue?

2633
02:29:11,879 --> 02:29:14,640
Speaker 8: Well, you know that's all gonna come out one day.

2634
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:18,520
Speaker 8: I believe what happened in twenty twenty four with Elon Musk.

2635
02:29:20,480 --> 02:29:26,480
Speaker 8: Prop fifty aims to shift the ability of drawing the

2636
02:29:26,560 --> 02:29:31,520
Speaker 8: California did a congressional districts from a civilian board over

2637
02:29:31,640 --> 02:29:35,240
Speaker 8: to the legislature and to Gavin Newsom. And again they're

2638
02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:40,160
Speaker 8: trying to offset what the Republicans are doing. You know,

2639
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:42,680
Speaker 8: they're trying to manipulate it. But again, if you have

2640
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:45,360
Speaker 8: people like Gavin Newsom respondents saying we're not gonna let

2641
02:29:45,400 --> 02:29:47,640
Speaker 8: you play that game. And that's part of the problem

2642
02:29:47,640 --> 02:29:50,120
Speaker 8: with the Democrats up to this point, with Chuck Schumer

2643
02:29:50,480 --> 02:29:54,000
Speaker 8: and the other leadership is yet too busy being reactive

2644
02:29:54,480 --> 02:29:58,560
Speaker 8: and not fighting back. Well, Gavin Newsom's fighting back, and

2645
02:29:58,640 --> 02:30:01,480
Speaker 8: even if he has presidential and so what what he's

2646
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:06,200
Speaker 8: doing is basically not playing by the old rules. And

2647
02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:09,080
Speaker 8: even this guy Steiner who ran for governor out here

2648
02:30:09,360 --> 02:30:12,520
Speaker 8: last time, has joined the Democrats and his co signing

2649
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:18,600
Speaker 8: on the potential threat of a you know, of the

2650
02:30:19,160 --> 02:30:24,080
Speaker 8: Republicans of Texas being able to draw lines. So out

2651
02:30:24,120 --> 02:30:26,040
Speaker 8: here there's a commercial with Trump sitting in front of

2652
02:30:26,080 --> 02:30:29,720
Speaker 8: a TV curson at it because they said Prop fifty passed,

2653
02:30:29,800 --> 02:30:34,000
Speaker 8: and Trump has a fit in this commercial in this advertisement.

2654
02:30:34,680 --> 02:30:37,440
Speaker 8: But Prop fifties support right now is about ninety five percent,

2655
02:30:37,959 --> 02:30:40,360
Speaker 8: so it's going to take a miracle for it not

2656
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:44,200
Speaker 8: to pass. And again, what it does is it's just

2657
02:30:44,320 --> 02:30:48,240
Speaker 8: redistricting and trying to offset the redistricting of Texas, which

2658
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:52,879
Speaker 8: is intended to undermine the vote for the midterm election.

2659
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:55,600
Speaker 8: So they're trying to say the midterm elections by making

2660
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:56,440
Speaker 8: all of these changes.

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02:30:58,120 --> 02:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Okay, And before I take on a call, a quick tweet,

2662
02:31:00,959 --> 02:31:02,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to know asked out to tell her what

2663
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:05,920
Speaker 1: happened to Gavin newsom stance on black reparations.

2664
02:31:06,959 --> 02:31:09,959
Speaker 8: Well, he did something last week to keep it going.

2665
02:31:10,320 --> 02:31:12,879
Speaker 8: There's a lot of confusion as to what's happening, what's

2666
02:31:12,920 --> 02:31:16,880
Speaker 8: being set at the Sacramento legislative level. They have not

2667
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:19,960
Speaker 8: included those of us who took the leader on this

2668
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:22,880
Speaker 8: whole issue in San Francisco. We were the ones that

2669
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:25,560
Speaker 8: really got it going. And they're still going on their

2670
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:30,040
Speaker 8: own here in California and in this and in the

2671
02:31:30,120 --> 02:31:32,800
Speaker 8: country without consulting us, And I kind of feel left out,

2672
02:31:32,840 --> 02:31:34,160
Speaker 8: to be honest with you, I'm like, wait a minute,

2673
02:31:34,160 --> 02:31:37,080
Speaker 8: we went through it, we wrote a proposal, we came

2674
02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:40,160
Speaker 8: up with a reparations plan, and y'all not asking the

2675
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:44,240
Speaker 8: people who came up with one. Again in Palm Springs,

2676
02:31:44,480 --> 02:31:47,680
Speaker 8: there's reparations being done in Detroit. Now I've been reading

2677
02:31:47,760 --> 02:31:50,320
Speaker 8: in the last couple of days. I don't know how Again,

2678
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:55,040
Speaker 8: there's no blueprint, and nothing's perfect. Every reparations plan is

2679
02:31:55,080 --> 02:31:57,720
Speaker 8: going to be local and tailored to whatever happened to

2680
02:31:57,800 --> 02:32:02,240
Speaker 8: the black folk in that community. Assville, North Carolina has reparations,

2681
02:32:02,440 --> 02:32:06,400
Speaker 8: but Assville, North Carolina didn't have massive violence and anti

2682
02:32:06,480 --> 02:32:10,640
Speaker 8: black lyncheons or major racism. Ashville, North Carolina is a

2683
02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:13,240
Speaker 8: diamond in the rough. They're doing reparations, but yet they

2684
02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:17,160
Speaker 8: don't have a deep anti black racist history in Ashville,

2685
02:32:17,320 --> 02:32:20,039
Speaker 8: believe it or not. So they're in spots here and there,

2686
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:24,160
Speaker 8: you know, a reparations just happening. If Gavin Newsom and

2687
02:32:24,280 --> 02:32:27,800
Speaker 8: the Democrats had got behind reparations, Kamala Harris might be

2688
02:32:27,879 --> 02:32:30,960
Speaker 8: president right now. But because like I said earlier, the

2689
02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:36,480
Speaker 8: Democrats refused to support anything black. They'll say gay publicly,

2690
02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:40,800
Speaker 8: they'll say trans without hesitation. Fifteen years ago, you couldn't

2691
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:43,320
Speaker 8: get nobody to say trans. Now all of them got

2692
02:32:43,360 --> 02:32:45,760
Speaker 8: trans on the tip of their term. But they don't

2693
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:48,400
Speaker 8: say black. And that's my problem with the Democrats. They

2694
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:51,440
Speaker 8: don't fight for black people as black people. They fight

2695
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:54,560
Speaker 8: for black people as Democrats, not as black people.

2696
02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:58,920
Speaker 1: To hell with the Democrats, gotcha fourteen half that's out

2697
02:32:58,959 --> 02:33:01,600
Speaker 1: there all. Let's take some more. Brother, Say who's checking

2698
02:33:01,640 --> 02:33:05,040
Speaker 1: in from Baltimore's online One grand rising brother, say, coop

2699
02:33:05,080 --> 02:33:08,520
Speaker 1: your question for doctor Taylor, John Bo.

2700
02:33:09,480 --> 02:33:15,000
Speaker 9: Doctor Taylor, why do you and your peers when I

2701
02:33:15,080 --> 02:33:18,320
Speaker 9: save peers, I'm talking about others who claim the title

2702
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:22,520
Speaker 9: doctor and profession professor. Why do y'all spend so much

2703
02:33:22,600 --> 02:33:26,160
Speaker 9: time talking about what white folks are doing or have

2704
02:33:26,400 --> 02:33:29,280
Speaker 9: done in the past. Is it because you think you're

2705
02:33:29,320 --> 02:33:32,320
Speaker 9: going to cure them other racism? Is it because you

2706
02:33:32,400 --> 02:33:35,400
Speaker 9: think you're going to save this system that even you

2707
02:33:35,560 --> 02:33:39,360
Speaker 9: admit is collapsing. I'll take my answer off the head.

2708
02:33:40,240 --> 02:33:42,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you were listening to you to heard me

2709
02:33:42,120 --> 02:33:44,040
Speaker 8: say black people need to turn their backs on white

2710
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:46,200
Speaker 8: people like they did in the New Negro movement for

2711
02:33:46,280 --> 02:33:49,280
Speaker 8: the next fifty years. That's my that's my solution to now.

2712
02:33:49,600 --> 02:33:52,480
Speaker 8: If black people should turn their backs on white society,

2713
02:33:52,959 --> 02:33:57,040
Speaker 8: focus on their churches, focus on their HBCUs, focus on

2714
02:33:57,120 --> 02:34:01,280
Speaker 8: their fraternities and sororities, focus on their families. That's what

2715
02:34:01,360 --> 02:34:03,560
Speaker 8: we need to be doing to hell with them, Focus

2716
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:06,720
Speaker 8: on us, build like we always have. Create more blues,

2717
02:34:06,879 --> 02:34:10,120
Speaker 8: more jazz, more hip hop, more music out of the

2718
02:34:10,200 --> 02:34:14,040
Speaker 8: souls of black folk. Keep building, keep striving. We got

2719
02:34:14,120 --> 02:34:16,480
Speaker 8: more doctors than we ever had, we got more lawyers

2720
02:34:16,520 --> 02:34:18,600
Speaker 8: than we ever had, we got more scientists than we

2721
02:34:18,760 --> 02:34:21,480
Speaker 8: ever had. Right, and that's why they're coming after us,

2722
02:34:21,600 --> 02:34:24,640
Speaker 8: because they know we are. The great alternative to white

2723
02:34:24,680 --> 02:34:28,920
Speaker 8: supremacy is black culture and black America, Black America. There's

2724
02:34:28,959 --> 02:34:30,880
Speaker 8: three ways to be in America. The Indian way the

2725
02:34:30,920 --> 02:34:33,720
Speaker 8: original way, but they killed the Indians off. The other

2726
02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:37,240
Speaker 8: way is white supremacy and black America black. And this

2727
02:34:37,360 --> 02:34:41,039
Speaker 8: is what Nicki Hannah Jones is trying to educate us

2728
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:44,440
Speaker 8: with the Project sixteen nineteen. She says, America don't begin

2729
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:47,800
Speaker 8: in seventeen seventy six or seventeen eighty seven. It begins

2730
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:52,000
Speaker 8: in her mind sixteen nineteen when they claim we first arrived. Now,

2731
02:34:52,080 --> 02:34:55,040
Speaker 8: some say fifteen fifty five, the nation does, but she

2732
02:34:55,160 --> 02:34:57,960
Speaker 8: says sixteen nineteen. The point is what that date is

2733
02:34:58,000 --> 02:35:02,560
Speaker 8: saying America begins when we arrive, not when the revolution happens.

2734
02:35:02,920 --> 02:35:05,480
Speaker 8: We black Americans are one hundred and fifty years older

2735
02:35:05,560 --> 02:35:08,320
Speaker 8: than the American Revolution. We're one hundred and fifty years

2736
02:35:08,360 --> 02:35:13,760
Speaker 8: older than America just on this land. So again, I

2737
02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:17,040
Speaker 8: don't brother focus on white people If you listen to me,

2738
02:35:17,560 --> 02:35:20,520
Speaker 8: you've been hearing me say that we should focus on ourselves,

2739
02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:23,640
Speaker 8: that we should turn our backs on them and develop

2740
02:35:23,720 --> 02:35:26,440
Speaker 8: our own communities. And I'm talking about what we need

2741
02:35:26,520 --> 02:35:29,560
Speaker 8: to do with our young people to encourage their self esteem,

2742
02:35:30,040 --> 02:35:32,560
Speaker 8: encourage them. You didn't hear me say, oh, go out

2743
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:35,439
Speaker 8: and run and create businesses, and go out and assimilate,

2744
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:37,480
Speaker 8: and go out and make it in the world. What

2745
02:35:37,560 --> 02:35:39,560
Speaker 8: did I say? We need to build up the self

2746
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:42,400
Speaker 8: esteem of our children so that when they leave, they

2747
02:35:42,440 --> 02:35:44,040
Speaker 8: can go out and do whatever they want to do,

2748
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:47,440
Speaker 8: whether it's be a scientist, a lawyer, or you know,

2749
02:35:48,440 --> 02:35:50,959
Speaker 8: or a technician, they can do it with the self

2750
02:35:51,160 --> 02:35:54,600
Speaker 8: esteem that comes from the souls of black folks. Black

2751
02:35:54,760 --> 02:35:58,360
Speaker 8: America is the alternative to white America. And there's three

2752
02:35:58,400 --> 02:36:00,640
Speaker 8: ways you could have been in America, the way, the

2753
02:36:00,680 --> 02:36:02,680
Speaker 8: White way, in the Black way, and the White way

2754
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:05,520
Speaker 8: can't help itself. That's why they can't leave us alone,

2755
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:06,320
Speaker 8: because they know.

2756
02:36:06,600 --> 02:36:08,600
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought, right there, Doc, We've got to step

2757
02:36:08,680 --> 02:36:09,880
Speaker 1: us out for a few moments. We got some more

2758
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:11,680
Speaker 1: folks want to talk to you. Eighteen after the top,

2759
02:36:11,760 --> 02:36:14,040
Speaker 1: they have family Doctor James Taylor's our guess he's a

2760
02:36:14,080 --> 02:36:17,160
Speaker 1: black politics expert. Got a question about black politics. Reach

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Speaker 1: sticking with us on this Monday morning here at the

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Speaker 1: start of the week. The twenty minutes after the top

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Speaker 1: there that guest, doctor James Taylor. It's a black politics

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Speaker 1: expert out of San Francisco. Teachers at the University of

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Speaker 1: San Francisco got a question about politics. Reach out to

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Speaker 1: us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six. Croys joined us from Washington, DC's on line two.

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Troy, your question for doctor Taylor.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Grand Rising. I wanted to first, I wanted to

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Speaker 5: say happy related birthday to Peter Tajh whose birthday was yesterday,

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Speaker 5: a Stone revolutionary. And I wanted to ask it's two

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Speaker 5: comments that I would like for you to speak to.

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Speaker 8: Sir.

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Speaker 5: Trump was found saying, I think yesterday or this morning

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Speaker 5: in the interview, that he's about sick and tired of

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Speaker 5: these court cases and these judges rising up against him,

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Speaker 5: and he just think it would be easier and more

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Speaker 5: chaotic to call for the Insurrection Act. And now there's

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Speaker 5: no more court cases. He has full control. When do

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Speaker 5: you see that happening? That's number one. Question. Number two

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Speaker 5: is you talked about the governor order from California. He said,

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Speaker 5: every time Trump's bring a guest to the White House,

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Speaker 5: he makes it his business. The first thing he shows

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Speaker 5: them where he spent two million dollars on Trump hats

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Speaker 5: for twenty eight And it just seems he's set in

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Speaker 5: the ground that he's not going anywhere. So those two questions,

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Speaker 5: the insurrection and the Trump asked for twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you, Troy. First, the courts have held. You know,

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Speaker 8: That's what I think people don't realize is no matter

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Speaker 8: how much they've pressured Omega has tried to, you know,

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Speaker 8: put stress on the system and stretch it like a

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Speaker 8: rubber bank. You can, you know, go to it to

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Speaker 8: its it's extremes. The center has held and the courts

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Speaker 8: have been the center. You can look at any headline

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Speaker 8: in the last year or two and Trump keeps losing. Now,

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Speaker 8: don't get me wrong with John Roberts has given him

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Speaker 8: basic immunity, but to be honest, that was for any president,

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Speaker 8: and every president was going to have that. Trump is

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Speaker 8: the first one to actually ask for it and use it.

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Speaker 8: But it was given that the president. That's what Nixon

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Speaker 8: tried to say. When the president does something, it's not

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Speaker 8: against the law because he is the law. And that's

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Speaker 8: what Nixon tried to say. But Trump is making that

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Speaker 8: into a doctrine. And again, when you see people abusing

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Speaker 8: things that it comes back like you know, you know

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Speaker 8: people have There's an Instagram post out there that says,

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Speaker 8: remind Pam Bondy that even though Richard Nixon didn't go

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Speaker 8: to jail, his attorney general did. There will be an

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Speaker 8: accounting of this era. There will be a uh, there

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Speaker 8: will be some truth and reconcil I don't about reconciliation,

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Speaker 8: but there will be some truth commissions that will get

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Speaker 8: at the bottom of this. And and and the bar

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Speaker 8: in terms of the bar for law, bar exam, the

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Speaker 8: bar for law, they don't play. They come and if

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Speaker 8: they see you participating in lies and and you know,

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Speaker 8: false representations to the court, they come after your career.

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Speaker 8: They come after your license, independent of what's happening in politics.

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Speaker 8: So people can play these games. But like this. You

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Speaker 8: know the eleven people that I think came up with

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Speaker 8: some fake ballots for Trump in Arizona, they all being

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Speaker 8: prosecuted still. Now he can pardon them if he wants to,

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Speaker 8: but they're at the state level. So again, the insurrection

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Speaker 8: that can be used with there is only an insurrection,

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Speaker 8: and you know that's what they were trying to do,

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Speaker 8: create an insurrectionary environment. Donald Trump is sick because he

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Speaker 8: spends all his time being a negative president and not

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Speaker 8: doing anything to build. I mean, Eisenhower built the interstate

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Speaker 8: freeway system. Eisenhower can point to the freeways and say

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Speaker 8: I was president. What can Trump point to except a

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Speaker 8: bunch of childish, racist, lazy old white He's like a

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Speaker 8: lazy ass white man archie bunker who sits around TV

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Speaker 8: hating everything he sees moving and then has the power

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Speaker 8: to act on it. But this is not the stuff

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Speaker 8: of affirmative presidential politics. It's failing, and the people being

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Speaker 8: hurt the most are these red states that are dependent

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Speaker 8: on See California don't need America. America needs California. California's

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Speaker 8: got uh an economy that's that's larger than most countries

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Speaker 8: on the planet all but three. So California doesn't need America.

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Speaker 8: America needs California, Alabama needs America, Georgia needs America, Texas

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Speaker 8: needs America, Arkansas needs America, Oklahoma needs America. New West

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Speaker 8: Virginia needs America. New Mexico needs America. New York don't

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Speaker 8: need America. Uh, California don't need America. And so again,

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Speaker 8: you know, what, what what what is happening with the

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Speaker 8: you know, with the chaos. You know Trump is trying

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Speaker 8: to create chaos or black folk are smarter than Trump.

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Speaker 8: We aren't taking the bait in every situation down in Chicago,

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Speaker 8: in New York. They're talking about going to Boston. They

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Speaker 8: went to Portland, and people are not taking the bait.

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Speaker 8: You're not seeing black folk out there like you did

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Speaker 8: with the George Floyd protests. So, you know, I think

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Speaker 8: at this point the Insurrectionary Act one court has already

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Speaker 8: told Trump he can't just willy nearly decide to use

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Speaker 8: the Act. It has to be an actual emergency. You

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Speaker 8: can't just use it, and you can go to prison

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Speaker 8: for doing that. So you know, whether Trump pays for

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Speaker 8: it or not, a lot of people are going to

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Speaker 8: live to see an accounting of what's happening and the

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Speaker 8: ways in which different actors have aided in the bedding

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Speaker 8: in wherever areas of law have been violated.

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Speaker 1: Right, And he mentioned Trump twenty eight, these hats and

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Speaker 1: the Trump this morning.

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Speaker 8: Twenty Why are y'all doing that to y'allself? This devil

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Speaker 8: will be good by twenty twenty eight. Why are we

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Speaker 8: worried about it? I mean, that's all psychological warfare. This

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Speaker 8: man don't have no control over that. And they can

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02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:49,800
Speaker 8: keep trying to create the environment where that kind of

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Speaker 8: thing could happen. But the Constitution is clear. A president

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Speaker 8: can only serve two successive terms in his own right,

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Speaker 8: and he could serve two years of somebody else's. So

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02:43:00,360 --> 02:43:03,279
Speaker 8: the most of president can serve is six years. LBJ

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Speaker 8: finished off the two years of JFK after JFK was shot,

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Speaker 8: and then he had four years of his own, and

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Speaker 8: then he chose not to run again, right, But he

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Speaker 8: was allowed to finish the term for Kennedy and then

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Speaker 8: run outright. So again, there's no mechanisms, And if there is,

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Speaker 8: you know you got Gavin Newsom and you got Barack

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Speaker 8: Obama on the scene. Obama still kill enough to run again,

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Speaker 8: so we could play that game. I mean, that's what

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Speaker 8: the Democrats should do. Just put up Obama because that's

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Speaker 8: what this is all about anyway. All this white white misery,

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02:43:40,440 --> 02:43:43,840
Speaker 8: all this white angst, all this white sadness and white

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02:43:44,200 --> 02:43:47,640
Speaker 8: rage is about a black man being president. So why

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02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:49,880
Speaker 8: the hell don't we just say make a bunch of

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02:43:50,080 --> 02:43:52,000
Speaker 8: why don't we get somebody to put up two million

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Speaker 8: dollars worth of Obama twenty twenty eight hats and shut

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Speaker 8: them the hell up.

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Speaker 1: Good point twenty eight. After the top there, before taking

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Speaker 1: of the coffee, the government shut down, Doctor Taylor say

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Speaker 1: that this may be the longest ever, may shut down

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Speaker 1: until Thanksgiving. How will that impact the economy? And why

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02:44:09,080 --> 02:44:12,600
Speaker 1: is the impact the shutdown of these layoffs impacting black

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Speaker 1: women more than any other group.

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Speaker 8: Because you know what people don't remember is Bill Clinton

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02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:18,800
Speaker 8: and our Gore did the same thing Trump is doing.

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02:44:19,320 --> 02:44:22,480
Speaker 8: But Bill Clinton called it reinventing government, and he was

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Speaker 8: trying to appease conservatives by downsizing the federal government. And

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02:44:26,440 --> 02:44:30,000
Speaker 8: that always hurts black and brown people, especially black women

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02:44:30,280 --> 02:44:32,800
Speaker 8: who have been working for the federal government. Going back

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Speaker 8: to you know, the movie Hidden Figures, going back to

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02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:38,480
Speaker 8: the days of you know, of the Astro of the

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02:44:38,520 --> 02:44:43,520
Speaker 8: Apollo system and before that. So you know, I think

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Speaker 8: I think that's part of it, you know, is is

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02:44:47,400 --> 02:44:51,160
Speaker 8: they know you know that that you know, we've had this,

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02:44:51,480 --> 02:44:55,520
Speaker 8: we've had these different kinds of successes, and they're going

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02:44:55,560 --> 02:44:59,080
Speaker 8: to continue to try to undermine our efforts as long

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02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:02,640
Speaker 8: as you know, it's going to be on the scene

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Speaker 8: because uh, you know, like I said, we represent a

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02:45:08,920 --> 02:45:10,800
Speaker 8: different way of being being here in America.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha thirty after the top, Let's go to Waldorf, Maryland.

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02:45:15,200 --> 02:45:17,760
Speaker 1: Brother Collis is there, he's online. Three, Brother Collis, your

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Speaker 1: question for doctor Taylor.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, my dear brothers, and thank you doctor Taylor

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Speaker 10: for your insightful information. My question is is a deep

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Speaker 10: one and I would like to have your opinion on it.

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Speaker 8: Is that.

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Speaker 10: How do you how do we address the addiction of

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02:45:37,280 --> 02:45:44,280
Speaker 10: our young people to the white the white people, the

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02:45:44,400 --> 02:45:48,879
Speaker 10: white women that are sent into our communities to entrap

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02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:56,680
Speaker 10: our young people, the athletes, the entertainers, and by entrapping them,

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02:45:56,760 --> 02:46:00,800
Speaker 10: they steal the wealth of our community. Number one and

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02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:07,120
Speaker 10: number two then rage, then rage the white male counterparts

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02:46:07,240 --> 02:46:10,760
Speaker 10: such as the police officers and the other white people

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02:46:11,400 --> 02:46:20,320
Speaker 10: to brutalize and to take action. But yet these are

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02:46:20,400 --> 02:46:25,520
Speaker 10: this white addiction still prevails. Why the young athletes want

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02:46:25,560 --> 02:46:31,080
Speaker 10: to go to these these colleges where they put the

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02:46:31,160 --> 02:46:37,040
Speaker 10: white females out there as baits, as trophies and so

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Speaker 10: forth for our young white men. And I met black

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02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:44,760
Speaker 10: men and we fall for that okie dope and so forth,

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02:46:45,720 --> 02:46:47,840
Speaker 10: you know. And I just think that this is a

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Speaker 10: major problem.

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Speaker 4: In our community.

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Speaker 8: What say you, Yeah, I've seen this my whole life.

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Speaker 8: You know, I've been around the University of about thirty

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02:46:55,480 --> 02:46:58,600
Speaker 8: thirty years now, the academy in general, and you know,

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02:46:58,720 --> 02:47:02,640
Speaker 8: going back to my own time as an athlete, you know,

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02:47:02,920 --> 02:47:04,760
Speaker 8: and when I was a student at Pepinine, you would

2940
02:47:04,760 --> 02:47:07,440
Speaker 8: see it, you know. You know, it was like the

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02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:10,039
Speaker 8: girls wanted the black athletes, and the black athletes wanted them,

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02:47:10,440 --> 02:47:14,280
Speaker 8: and it was a thing. I don't understand the psychology.

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02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:17,080
Speaker 8: You know, they were talking about black men with PhDs

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02:47:17,080 --> 02:47:18,560
Speaker 8: and educations with quick to run out and get a

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02:47:18,560 --> 02:47:21,280
Speaker 8: white woman. I've had a PhD for about fifteen years.

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02:47:21,480 --> 02:47:23,520
Speaker 8: I've never thought about running out marrying a white woman.

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02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:26,000
Speaker 8: I don't understand the psychology. I think it has something

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02:47:26,000 --> 02:47:30,640
Speaker 8: to do with your mama or your grandmama, or something

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02:47:30,920 --> 02:47:34,640
Speaker 8: where there's a disconnect and it's not simply love. This

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02:47:34,840 --> 02:47:36,720
Speaker 8: is a I was in a court case recently as

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Speaker 8: an expert witness, and the prosecution asked me about something

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Speaker 8: being race neutral, and I told the prosecutor in the

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Speaker 8: court case, in the hearing in the court room, there's

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02:47:47,280 --> 02:47:50,200
Speaker 8: no such thing as race neutrality in America. Everything is

2955
02:47:50,320 --> 02:47:54,520
Speaker 8: racial in America. Anybody claiming that everything is not racial,

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02:47:54,840 --> 02:47:56,040
Speaker 8: all you got to do is take the word in

2957
02:47:56,040 --> 02:47:58,480
Speaker 8: America and unscramble it and it says, I am race.

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Speaker 4: Just do that.

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Speaker 8: Take a ten, unscramble America and it spells im race

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02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:07,000
Speaker 8: and all the letters are used. America spells out im race.

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02:48:07,879 --> 02:48:11,560
Speaker 8: So it's like monopoly. It's a game. And we the

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02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:14,160
Speaker 8: only black people on the planet that live with the

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02:48:14,160 --> 02:48:16,680
Speaker 8: white people that enslaved us. Nobody else anywhere in the

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02:48:16,720 --> 02:48:19,560
Speaker 8: world still lives with their oppressa like we do in

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02:48:19,879 --> 02:48:22,720
Speaker 8: South Africa. The white man is there, but he's a minority,

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02:48:22,760 --> 02:48:25,160
Speaker 8: even though he has all the power and the economic wealth.

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02:48:25,600 --> 02:48:28,360
Speaker 8: We are an American minority. And the white man that

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02:48:28,480 --> 02:48:30,600
Speaker 8: we live with did not go back to Europe Jamaica,

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02:48:30,640 --> 02:48:32,959
Speaker 8: they went back to Europe. Haiti they went back to Europe.

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02:48:34,080 --> 02:48:38,000
Speaker 8: Dominican Republic they went back to Europe. The West Indies

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Speaker 8: they went back to Europe. So I asked, you know,

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Speaker 8: the African who comes here to look down on us,

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02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:44,440
Speaker 8: or the West Indian who comes down and looks at

2974
02:48:44,720 --> 02:48:47,240
Speaker 8: down at American blacks and say what's wrong with y'all?

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02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:51,120
Speaker 8: My retort to them is, where's your white man? Where's

2976
02:48:51,160 --> 02:48:55,000
Speaker 8: your white man? From Jamaica, the neo colonial arrangements like

2977
02:48:55,040 --> 02:48:57,040
Speaker 8: we were talking about with the IMF and World Bank,

2978
02:48:57,240 --> 02:49:00,720
Speaker 8: But where is your white man? Physically, black people in

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02:49:00,840 --> 02:49:04,360
Speaker 8: America are the only and this is something called nobody

2980
02:49:04,480 --> 02:49:07,840
Speaker 8: thinks about. We think it's naturalized that we live with

2981
02:49:07,920 --> 02:49:10,600
Speaker 8: white people. But show me another country in the world

2982
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:14,280
Speaker 8: where fifty million black people live with a hunt and

2983
02:49:14,400 --> 02:49:14,920
Speaker 8: white people.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me you even ask you this, though, Doc,

2985
02:49:18,600 --> 02:49:21,920
Speaker 1: Is it possible that is it possible that they we

2986
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:25,600
Speaker 1: can coexist peacefully or what we're seeing now is the

2987
02:49:25,720 --> 02:49:26,520
Speaker 1: real America?

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02:49:27,280 --> 02:49:31,320
Speaker 8: No, we cannot. It's inevitable that America is just split

2989
02:49:31,400 --> 02:49:35,240
Speaker 8: between red and blue, between whatever the racist southern and

2990
02:49:35,400 --> 02:49:38,840
Speaker 8: Midwestern elements. Every election, you see the map you see

2991
02:49:38,879 --> 02:49:42,000
Speaker 8: how red America is. In fact, every map in America,

2992
02:49:42,160 --> 02:49:44,960
Speaker 8: every state is red. There are no blue states. There

2993
02:49:44,959 --> 02:49:48,120
Speaker 8: are only blue cities that turn red states red. Like

2994
02:49:48,200 --> 02:49:54,120
Speaker 8: Pennsylvania is red, but Philly, Harrisburg and Pittsburgh Pennsylvania red.

2995
02:49:54,400 --> 02:50:00,440
Speaker 8: California is red, not blue, but La County, Alameda County

2996
02:50:00,680 --> 02:50:04,480
Speaker 8: in San Francisco County turn California blue. It's the blue

2997
02:50:04,560 --> 02:50:09,440
Speaker 8: cities and red states. So the problem is America was

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02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:12,959
Speaker 8: never united it was never a United States. And even

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Speaker 8: with the Fugitive Slave Law and then the Missouri Compromised

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02:50:17,640 --> 02:50:21,400
Speaker 8: in eighteen twenty eight, it's split America, half slave, half free.

3001
02:50:21,560 --> 02:50:25,440
Speaker 8: And that's the real constitution of America. It's half slave,

3002
02:50:25,640 --> 02:50:29,279
Speaker 8: half free. One part of it is anti black and hateful,

3003
02:50:29,520 --> 02:50:32,440
Speaker 8: the other half of it is anti black but indifferent

3004
02:50:32,520 --> 02:50:36,160
Speaker 8: to us. So we know, like Malcolm todd To explained

3005
02:50:36,200 --> 02:50:38,320
Speaker 8: to us, we're dealing with the wolf and the fox.

3006
02:50:39,000 --> 02:50:43,440
Speaker 8: And the reality is Cornell West says, black people don't

3007
02:50:43,560 --> 02:50:46,880
Speaker 8: just have double consciousness like Duke Boy said. Corner West

3008
02:50:46,879 --> 02:50:49,960
Speaker 8: says in his book called Prophesied Deliverance, which is published

3009
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:53,840
Speaker 8: in nineteen eighty two, Corner West says, we got another problem.

3010
02:50:54,080 --> 02:50:56,800
Speaker 8: We live with a white people who are no longer European,

3011
02:50:57,040 --> 02:50:58,840
Speaker 8: so they don't know who they are. So the only

3012
02:50:58,879 --> 02:51:00,000
Speaker 8: way they know who they are.

3013
02:51:00,200 --> 02:51:00,680
Speaker 2: Is to us.

3014
02:51:01,040 --> 02:51:03,640
Speaker 8: So that's why white people obsess on us because they

3015
02:51:03,680 --> 02:51:06,200
Speaker 8: don't have a European identity, like we don't have an

3016
02:51:06,200 --> 02:51:09,360
Speaker 8: African identity. So corner West says, not only do black

3017
02:51:09,360 --> 02:51:12,360
Speaker 8: people have their own double consciousness in relationship to being

3018
02:51:12,440 --> 02:51:14,920
Speaker 8: black in America, but then they're dealing with white people

3019
02:51:15,080 --> 02:51:19,000
Speaker 8: who are incomplete. It's this Corner West's word, incomplete Europeans.

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02:51:19,520 --> 02:51:23,439
Speaker 8: White men in America are incomplete Europeans, and as incomplete Europeans,

3021
02:51:23,680 --> 02:51:28,680
Speaker 8: they are always miserated about who they are in the world.

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02:51:28,760 --> 02:51:31,200
Speaker 8: Ask a roomful of white people what they are and

3023
02:51:31,320 --> 02:51:36,240
Speaker 8: you'll get fifty different ethnic references. You know, I'm Danish,

3024
02:51:36,280 --> 02:51:41,200
Speaker 8: I'm Swedish, I'm German, I'm Irish, I'm Italian. Right when

3025
02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:42,800
Speaker 8: they come to America, they drop all of that and

3026
02:51:42,920 --> 02:51:46,240
Speaker 8: just become white because that has been the elevator that

3027
02:51:46,320 --> 02:51:49,120
Speaker 8: has gotten them from the bottom to.

3028
02:51:49,200 --> 02:51:51,520
Speaker 1: Where we are right and hold left right there would

3029
02:51:51,520 --> 02:51:54,000
Speaker 1: take our last break, and you're absolutely rights. Nay Fuller

3030
02:51:54,080 --> 02:51:56,480
Speaker 1: taught us that they stay on code when it comes

3031
02:51:56,560 --> 02:51:59,080
Speaker 1: to us. But we're in the Irish, Italian, or German

3032
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:02,240
Speaker 1: or France. But when it comes to us, they stay

3033
02:52:02,320 --> 02:52:03,960
Speaker 1: on code. That's why he says we have to have

3034
02:52:04,080 --> 02:52:06,480
Speaker 1: a code twenty four minutes away from the top they are.

3035
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:08,840
Speaker 1: Mark in Baltimore has got a question for doctor Taylor

3036
02:52:08,879 --> 02:52:10,840
Speaker 1: with Talk Tomaco and get back family. You two can

3037
02:52:10,920 --> 02:52:13,680
Speaker 1: join this discussion. Just reach out to us telephone numbers

3038
02:52:13,720 --> 02:52:16,000
Speaker 1: toll free worldwide. Also, I want to hear some new

3039
02:52:16,040 --> 02:52:18,240
Speaker 1: callers to reach us at eight hundred four to five

3040
02:52:18,400 --> 02:52:21,600
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six. I'll take a phone calls

3041
02:52:21,840 --> 02:52:24,600
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us

3042
02:52:24,680 --> 02:52:26,480
Speaker 1: on this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with

3043
02:52:26,600 --> 02:52:28,600
Speaker 1: us again. I guess it's doctor James Taylor. It's a

3044
02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:31,400
Speaker 1: black politics expert teachers at the University of San Francisco.

3045
02:52:31,560 --> 02:52:33,240
Speaker 1: Before we go back to in the elementary mind you

3046
02:52:33,320 --> 02:52:36,199
Speaker 1: coming up later this week and here for Morgan State

3047
02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:39,600
Speaker 1: professors doctor Ray wimbushwell join us. Also the Billion Women

3048
02:52:39,720 --> 02:52:42,480
Speaker 1: March is Sister Filey will be here. A National Black

3049
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:46,080
Speaker 1: Farmers Association President John Boyd will join us. Also, Grill

3050
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Speaker 1: Baba Lamumba, also a former New York lawmaker New York

3051
02:52:49,440 --> 02:52:51,880
Speaker 1: Cheery lawmaker Charles Brown will be here as well as

3052
02:52:51,879 --> 02:52:53,720
Speaker 1: going to talk about the New York and mayoral race.

3053
02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:55,640
Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure keep your

3054
02:52:55,720 --> 02:52:58,440
Speaker 1: radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB or if

3055
02:52:58,480 --> 02:53:01,760
Speaker 1: you're the DMV, we're on fourteen fiftyl all right, Doctor

3056
02:53:01,760 --> 02:53:03,920
Speaker 1: Taylor's I mentioned Mark in Baltimore has a question for

3057
02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:06,320
Speaker 1: Ease online one grand rise and Mark your question for

3058
02:53:06,400 --> 02:53:07,000
Speaker 1: doctor Taylor.

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Speaker 15: Hey, Hey, good morning guys, doctor Taylor. I think I

3060
02:53:12,840 --> 02:53:14,760
Speaker 15: have a question. I don't you think you were right

3061
02:53:15,320 --> 02:53:19,359
Speaker 15: when you said that Donald Trump is angry at everybody

3062
02:53:19,640 --> 02:53:22,600
Speaker 15: and he now has the power and he's taking it

3063
02:53:22,680 --> 02:53:25,240
Speaker 15: out on everybody. I don't think it's ever been a

3064
02:53:25,320 --> 02:53:29,360
Speaker 15: president that's done that. But my question is, we always

3065
02:53:29,440 --> 02:53:33,160
Speaker 15: have all this energy around reparations.

3066
02:53:33,040 --> 02:53:33,120
Speaker 8: But.

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02:53:34,640 --> 02:53:38,760
Speaker 15: There's Black Lives Matter. I don't never hear nobody talk

3068
02:53:38,879 --> 02:53:43,640
Speaker 15: about the fact that Black Lives Matters that was established

3069
02:53:43,959 --> 02:53:48,760
Speaker 15: because of George Floyd's arna have accumulated one hundred million

3070
02:53:48,840 --> 02:53:52,400
Speaker 15: dollars ten to twenty million dollars a year. And the

3071
02:53:52,560 --> 02:53:57,720
Speaker 15: lady came on with call MISSSII Muhammad and said that

3072
02:53:57,879 --> 02:54:03,320
Speaker 15: it's been highjack and that her organization's grassroots is the one.

3073
02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:08,160
Speaker 15: I don't hear nobody talking about that. When those hundreds

3074
02:54:08,160 --> 02:54:13,039
Speaker 15: of millions dollars to be going in the city's like Chicago, Detroy,

3075
02:54:13,800 --> 02:54:14,440
Speaker 15: stuff like that.

3076
02:54:14,760 --> 02:54:18,320
Speaker 8: Why because it was because it was a corruption, a

3077
02:54:18,400 --> 02:54:21,000
Speaker 8: money corruption. And I guess the money was so much

3078
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:24,320
Speaker 8: because again George Floyd happens way after Black Lives Matter.

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02:54:24,400 --> 02:54:27,680
Speaker 8: These aren't to the same thing Black Lives Matter. The

3080
02:54:27,840 --> 02:54:30,920
Speaker 8: organization that Malina Abdullah is who you mean, not Mohammed

3081
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:34,680
Speaker 8: is Abdullah, Malina Abdullah. She's my sister. We went to college.

3082
02:54:34,720 --> 02:54:37,800
Speaker 8: We went to USC together, so she's my sister from college.

3083
02:54:38,040 --> 02:54:40,600
Speaker 8: We have the same mentor a black man who died

3084
02:54:40,959 --> 02:54:45,280
Speaker 8: was our our mutual you know, dissertation chair. But anyway,

3085
02:54:45,640 --> 02:54:48,560
Speaker 8: Molina has been trying to point out the corruption that

3086
02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:53,000
Speaker 8: happened with Lisa Garza and April to Metto and the

3087
02:54:53,080 --> 02:54:57,640
Speaker 8: other sister uh and how they how they use that

3088
02:54:57,720 --> 02:55:00,560
Speaker 8: money bought houses all over in California and claim that

3089
02:55:00,720 --> 02:55:02,480
Speaker 8: you know, these are going to be places where black

3090
02:55:02,520 --> 02:55:04,200
Speaker 8: people can come, but all it's going to be is

3091
02:55:04,240 --> 02:55:08,400
Speaker 8: black LGBTQ, because that's all BLM was that wing of

3092
02:55:08,440 --> 02:55:12,160
Speaker 8: the BLM was simply a gay movement fronting as a

3093
02:55:12,200 --> 02:55:14,520
Speaker 8: black movement or as a Black gay movement that took

3094
02:55:14,600 --> 02:55:17,000
Speaker 8: over the Oscar Grant movement here in Oakland. That's what

3095
02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:19,960
Speaker 8: people don't know is that these women were part of

3096
02:55:20,080 --> 02:55:22,840
Speaker 8: the Oscar Grant movement. When Oscar Grant was killed, we

3097
02:55:22,920 --> 02:55:25,680
Speaker 8: act like Michael B. Jordan didn't play Oscar Grant in

3098
02:55:25,720 --> 02:55:28,720
Speaker 8: the major motion picture film made by Ryan Coogler. We

3099
02:55:28,879 --> 02:55:34,240
Speaker 8: know about fruit Vale Station and Oscar Grant happened January first,

3100
02:55:34,480 --> 02:55:37,400
Speaker 8: two thousand and nine, before Obama took seat, before Obama

3101
02:55:37,440 --> 02:55:42,959
Speaker 8: got sworn in, he was shot, and the movement went

3102
02:55:43,000 --> 02:55:45,480
Speaker 8: on after that. Black Lives Matter comes along about four

3103
02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:48,240
Speaker 8: or five years later. And yet somehow they get the

3104
02:55:48,360 --> 02:55:51,880
Speaker 8: money from the George Floyd movement that happens two years

3105
02:55:52,080 --> 02:55:55,480
Speaker 8: about five years after. So that was absolutely wrong. And

3106
02:55:55,560 --> 02:55:59,120
Speaker 8: it's because with their liberalism, were quick the right open

3107
02:55:59,200 --> 02:56:02,360
Speaker 8: their checkbooks and give it to anybody organized well enough

3108
02:56:02,560 --> 02:56:05,920
Speaker 8: to receive it. And that's what you know Molina has

3109
02:56:05,959 --> 02:56:09,000
Speaker 8: been trying to call out is what they did. And

3110
02:56:09,640 --> 02:56:12,480
Speaker 8: we can't do anything about it except to call it

3111
02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:17,119
Speaker 8: out when it happens. And it undermined them. They lost

3112
02:56:17,160 --> 02:56:21,760
Speaker 8: immediate credibility with everybody black. They don't represent the black

3113
02:56:21,840 --> 02:56:24,480
Speaker 8: movement anymore. If they come out now and try to

3114
02:56:24,560 --> 02:56:26,840
Speaker 8: act like they could stand up and take the lead.

3115
02:56:26,959 --> 02:56:29,520
Speaker 8: For example, if black folks decided to do something right

3116
02:56:29,600 --> 02:56:33,760
Speaker 8: now in the mass movement, they couldn't be the spokespersons.

3117
02:56:33,959 --> 02:56:37,680
Speaker 8: They couldn't organize us, you know. So they got away with,

3118
02:56:37,879 --> 02:56:41,880
Speaker 8: you know, Robin the Bank, and now they'll live out

3119
02:56:41,920 --> 02:56:44,720
Speaker 8: their lives, you know, in the way they want you

3120
02:56:44,800 --> 02:56:47,600
Speaker 8: here in California. But it was a corruption and I'm

3121
02:56:47,640 --> 02:56:52,400
Speaker 8: glad Malina is calling it out all right.

3122
02:56:52,520 --> 02:56:55,560
Speaker 1: Fifteen away from the doctor Taylor, as I mentioned, Charles

3123
02:56:55,600 --> 02:56:57,320
Speaker 1: Brown is going to be with us tomorrow and he

3124
02:56:57,400 --> 02:57:01,040
Speaker 1: says that there's a large group of African Americans in

3125
02:57:01,160 --> 02:57:03,760
Speaker 1: New York City are not voting for mon Donnie, and

3126
02:57:04,280 --> 02:57:07,160
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on this. Will he

3127
02:57:07,320 --> 02:57:09,360
Speaker 1: bring to the table because he seems to being a flux.

3128
02:57:09,360 --> 02:57:11,280
Speaker 1: They don't know who to support that. They don't like Cuomo,

3129
02:57:11,360 --> 02:57:14,440
Speaker 1: they remember what he did and he got away with,

3130
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:17,560
Speaker 1: and of course they don't like Curtie Sleeve, who's represented

3131
02:57:17,560 --> 02:57:20,800
Speaker 1: the Republican Party as well. In next month's election, and

3132
02:57:20,920 --> 02:57:23,320
Speaker 1: they there's basically no place for them to go. So

3133
02:57:23,360 --> 02:57:25,680
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out who should should they set

3134
02:57:25,720 --> 02:57:27,960
Speaker 1: this one out or should they get behind any of

3135
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:29,720
Speaker 1: the candidates. I want to get your thoughts on that.

3136
02:57:32,879 --> 02:57:37,880
Speaker 8: Now. Sure, Oh well, you know, in Seattle and Boston

3137
02:57:37,959 --> 02:57:43,320
Speaker 8: they've had socialists in city government. Bernie Sanders is a socialist,

3138
02:57:43,360 --> 02:57:46,600
Speaker 8: and the kind of socialists that they are, they're democratic socialists.

3139
02:57:46,680 --> 02:57:49,720
Speaker 8: They're not Marxists in the in the Marxist since they're

3140
02:57:49,760 --> 02:57:54,000
Speaker 8: closer to Martin Luther King. Uh that you know, Martin

3141
02:57:54,040 --> 02:57:56,280
Speaker 8: Luther King was a social Democrat. In other words, Martin

3142
02:57:56,360 --> 02:58:00,240
Speaker 8: Luther King was a socialist. And Bernie and Martin King's

3143
02:58:00,400 --> 02:58:03,760
Speaker 8: politics are identical in my view. In other words, Bernie

3144
02:58:03,840 --> 02:58:09,119
Speaker 8: and King represent a new deal Obama and say Kamala

3145
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:14,400
Speaker 8: and Bill Clinton they represent Reagan centrism. Reagan shifted the

3146
02:58:15,240 --> 02:58:19,680
Speaker 8: presidential continuum to the right so far that Bill Clinton,

3147
02:58:19,760 --> 02:58:24,560
Speaker 8: a Southern Arkansas candidate, runs and wins, and he runs

3148
02:58:24,680 --> 02:58:29,400
Speaker 8: as basically as a democratic conservative Democratic centrism, and you know,

3149
02:58:29,560 --> 02:58:35,199
Speaker 8: and they of course embrace corporate the corporate angle. People

3150
02:58:35,280 --> 02:58:38,360
Speaker 8: want change. The Democrats have gone too far to the

3151
02:58:38,440 --> 02:58:41,280
Speaker 8: right ever since nineteen ninety two with Bill Clinton, and

3152
02:58:41,480 --> 02:58:44,600
Speaker 8: they need to get back to FDR and Mam Donnie.

3153
02:58:44,920 --> 02:58:49,359
Speaker 8: His politics are Bernie's politics. That's FDR's politics. The Democrats

3154
02:58:49,400 --> 02:58:53,360
Speaker 8: have to choose between FDR and Bill Clinton.

3155
02:58:54,240 --> 02:58:59,480
Speaker 1: Basically, doctor Taylor, will the GOP use Man Donnie as

3156
02:58:59,560 --> 02:59:02,360
Speaker 1: now as a symbol of the Democratic Party and use

3157
02:59:02,440 --> 02:59:06,360
Speaker 1: that against the Democrats in the election as well in

3158
02:59:06,440 --> 02:59:07,039
Speaker 1: the midterms.

3159
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:09,720
Speaker 8: They might, But look at the alternative, I mean, look

3160
02:59:09,720 --> 02:59:12,800
Speaker 8: at Trump. I mean, whatever's wrong with Mom Donnie. Trump

3161
02:59:12,879 --> 02:59:15,600
Speaker 8: got it and more, and so do plenty of other

3162
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:22,200
Speaker 8: people like Cuomo, who has sex scandal, corruption in his back,

3163
02:59:22,560 --> 02:59:26,200
Speaker 8: you know background, and you know, had to step down

3164
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:30,840
Speaker 8: and has become a caricature of his former self. And

3165
02:59:30,959 --> 02:59:33,840
Speaker 8: then Curtis Leeb. You know, he's been a clown since

3166
02:59:33,920 --> 02:59:36,680
Speaker 8: I was a teenager back in New York, so nobody

3167
02:59:36,760 --> 02:59:38,920
Speaker 8: takes him seriously. But he is poland well, I think

3168
02:59:38,959 --> 02:59:41,560
Speaker 8: at fifteen percent. But Mam Donnie right now is his

3169
02:59:42,040 --> 02:59:46,760
Speaker 8: contest to lose. And the problem with again white and

3170
02:59:46,920 --> 02:59:50,760
Speaker 8: other socialists, just like the problem with white liberals, is

3171
02:59:51,240 --> 02:59:55,440
Speaker 8: they don't embrace anything black. So marx socialists social democrats

3172
02:59:55,520 --> 02:59:58,200
Speaker 8: like Bernie. Bernie is the perfect example. Bernie is Mam

3173
02:59:58,320 --> 03:00:02,520
Speaker 8: Donnie at a different level ideologically, and Bernie ain't embraced

3174
03:00:02,560 --> 03:00:06,720
Speaker 8: on black politics. Everything Bernie said led to one conclusion

3175
03:00:07,040 --> 03:00:09,760
Speaker 8: black people deserve reparations. When he talking about the ninety

3176
03:00:09,800 --> 03:00:13,160
Speaker 8: aneve percent of one percent, everything Bernie Sanders said, she'd

3177
03:00:13,280 --> 03:00:17,560
Speaker 8: ended up with one conclusion, reparations. And young people during

3178
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:21,840
Speaker 8: the Black Lives Matter movement attack Hillary and Bernie, and

3179
03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:25,520
Speaker 8: specifically Bernie, on reparations, and Bernie would not come around

3180
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Speaker 8: on reparations because socialists do not embrace racial politics any

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Speaker 8: more than white liberals do. So a socialist doesn't want

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Speaker 8: to talk about race. A socialist will talk about inequality

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Speaker 8: and oppression in America, even though Blacks are disposedly impacted

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Speaker 8: by it in class terms. They won't talk about it

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Speaker 8: and theorise around race in America. The socialists, they theorise

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Speaker 8: around class. Even though again there's a race, there's a

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Speaker 8: class dimension to being black in America. American socialists still

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Speaker 8: have not theorized a race class theory. All they got

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Speaker 8: is class. So Bernie and Mandonie, they may be left

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Speaker 8: on healthcare, left on war, left on taxes, but like

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Speaker 8: the Democrats, they're not going to save the word blacks.

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Speaker 1: A tan away from the top of Hakeem Jeffreys. Is

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Speaker 1: he in a tough spot here? What's stopping him for

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Speaker 1: the black either, But what's stopping him from supporting mandn

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Speaker 1: is he is he under Is he being controlled? Is

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Speaker 1: he taking an oath not to support a tax a

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Speaker 1: tack atach?

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Speaker 8: The Jewish lobby atach the America, And they're in America,

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Speaker 8: they're not in Israel. The American Israel Political Action Committee,

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03:01:48,720 --> 03:01:51,760
Speaker 8: like the NRA, is the most powerful lobby in America,

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Speaker 8: and it has corrupted both parties. You have a senator

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Speaker 8: this week, about four days ago from Massachusetts who's the

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Speaker 8: first to give them their money back. And that's what

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03:02:01,760 --> 03:02:03,720
Speaker 8: the Democrats are going to have to do. They're going

3205
03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:06,880
Speaker 8: to have to move left towards Bernie, left towards FDR,

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03:02:07,240 --> 03:02:10,560
Speaker 8: left towards MLK. If there's any future for the Democrats,

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Speaker 8: it's left. It is not center. It is not trying

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Speaker 8: to be Reagan light like Bill Clinton. It's being FDR

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Speaker 8: strong and them. Donnie's politics otherwise, outside of black and

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Speaker 8: racial politics, are FDR's politics. And so again, he might

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Speaker 8: be the tipping point for younger, a new generation of Democrats,

3212
03:02:29,120 --> 03:02:31,920
Speaker 8: because there are others. There's another young brother, I think

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Speaker 8: he's Somali somewhere in the Midwest running as a socialist.

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Speaker 8: And then you got ean Omar who's openly a socialist.

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Speaker 8: And I'm sorry, Alexanda a Constil Cortes is a Democratic Socialist.

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Speaker 8: So we have socialists on the scene. We got a

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Speaker 8: socialist from from the Bronx AOC, and and you know,

3218
03:02:54,000 --> 03:02:56,119
Speaker 8: the only people that hate her is on the right.

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03:02:56,560 --> 03:02:59,000
Speaker 8: But again, AOC never says the word black. Every once

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Speaker 8: in a while she'll let it about, but ninety nine

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Speaker 8: percent of the time when ALC's talking about issues in

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Speaker 8: America and who's negatively impacted, she won't say the word black.

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Speaker 8: And that's the problem I got with Mamdani, with Bernie

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Speaker 8: and all of the Democratic Socialists of America. That's their organization,

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Speaker 8: the DSA. The DSA does not have a position. Their

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03:03:21,400 --> 03:03:25,760
Speaker 8: position on black politics or black oppression is once we

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Speaker 8: fix the class problem, we'll fix the race problem. So

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Speaker 8: we got to wait until they get white folk to

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Speaker 8: unite around class and then they'll get to us eventually.

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Speaker 8: And that's just nonsense for us eight Away.

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Speaker 1: From the Top and doctor Taylor, if we can believe

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Speaker 1: candis orange, there is some issues with APAC and the

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Speaker 1: Jewish contributors. She said that that played a part in

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Speaker 1: the death of Charlie Kirk. Did you hear that story

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Speaker 1: as well?

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Speaker 8: All it's all going to come out, you know. And

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Speaker 8: that's why I've been wanting to get a line in

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Speaker 8: this whole this whole talk, I mean, this whole interview

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Speaker 8: today from Gill Scott Heron. I mean, you know again,

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Speaker 8: that's why I think we should be tapping into our

3241
03:04:04,520 --> 03:04:07,720
Speaker 8: cultural sources. We should be reading Tony Morrison right now.

3242
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Speaker 8: We should be reading Baldwin because they gave us the

3243
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Speaker 8: They told us what we're dealing with. They told us

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Speaker 8: we're dealing with white people's spiritual crisis. It's not ours,

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Speaker 8: like I said, January sixth was them. If you remember

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Speaker 8: November twenty twenty when Biden won, it was because of

3247
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Speaker 8: Atlanta and there was a bunch of celebration down in

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Speaker 8: Georgia in November twenty twenty. That's Black America. We were

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Speaker 8: celebrating November twenty twenty in the streets of Georgia and

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Speaker 8: all over America, and it was all for good and

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03:04:36,720 --> 03:04:39,879
Speaker 8: happiness and joy and possibility in the future. And then

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Speaker 8: white folk had theirs January sixth and what was it?

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Speaker 8: Nooses and attempts to kill the vice president and urinating

3254
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Speaker 8: in the capitol and putting feces on the Speaker's house.

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Speaker 8: Black people would never do something so low, but they did.

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Speaker 8: So I'm telling you they're in crisis. We got a

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Speaker 8: deal with the fact that we live amongst the people

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Speaker 8: who are in a spiritual crisis, and their Christianity don't

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Speaker 8: help them. Christianity don't make white people better. Christianity to

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03:05:09,200 --> 03:05:12,400
Speaker 8: make white people meaner. It makes them more self righteous,

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03:05:12,760 --> 03:05:16,240
Speaker 8: it makes them more willing to support genocide because they

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Speaker 8: feel like God is on their side. So religion has

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Speaker 8: never helped white people act better. When when is the

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Speaker 8: white Christian Church been on black people's side? In four

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Speaker 8: hundred years? The Quakers did. The Quakers are giving that.

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Speaker 8: But other than the Quakers in four hundred years, the

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Speaker 8: white Church has always been the KKK. The white Church

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Speaker 8: has always been the moral majority the KKK. The white

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Speaker 8: Church has always been the Evangelicals. The white Church has

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Speaker 8: always been the White Citizens' Council. White Christianity is a lie.

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Speaker 8: White Christianity is an oxymorn. I don't think they're possible.

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Speaker 8: I don't think white Christianity is even possible because they

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Speaker 8: hate that they have for us seek through their religion.

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Speaker 8: Jesus teaches them in Matthew twenty five, how to love,

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Speaker 8: how to feed the naked, those who are in prison,

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Speaker 8: those who those who have no food. And look at

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03:06:12,000 --> 03:06:14,720
Speaker 8: how these devils treat people who are poor, people who

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Speaker 8: are homeless, people who are orphans. They do the opposite

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Speaker 8: of what the scriptures teach. The Bible teachers love the immigrant,

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03:06:21,720 --> 03:06:24,120
Speaker 8: treat the immigrant better than you treat your own people.

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Speaker 8: Do you see these people doing that? Their religion doesn't

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03:06:27,000 --> 03:06:29,280
Speaker 8: mean a damn thing to them except when they want

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03:06:29,320 --> 03:06:33,520
Speaker 8: to be self righteous against us. But white Christianity is

3284
03:06:33,600 --> 03:06:38,520
Speaker 8: an impossibility in America when they are next to black people,

3285
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Speaker 8: because we bring out the devil in them.

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Speaker 1: And we're just about finishing right here, doctor Taylor. Before

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Speaker 1: we let you go, though, because I know you're still

3288
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Speaker 1: working on the book. How close are you are you?

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Speaker 8: I'm done. I'm done on the book. It's called White God,

3290
03:06:52,840 --> 03:06:57,080
Speaker 8: Black Death of Jim Jones, People's Temple and the racial

3291
03:06:57,680 --> 03:07:01,400
Speaker 8: politics of Revolutionary Suicide. So that's in production right now.

3292
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Speaker 8: The book that's been published that I want people to

3293
03:07:03,600 --> 03:07:06,320
Speaker 8: get is Black Nationalism in the United States. And I

3294
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Speaker 8: also would like folks to look me up follow me

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03:07:08,200 --> 03:07:11,440
Speaker 8: on Instagram. James Taylor sixteen eighty nine. I don't have

3296
03:07:11,600 --> 03:07:14,720
Speaker 8: enough Call Nelson of followers, and I should have way

3297
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Speaker 8: more by now all the years I've been on this show,

3298
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Speaker 8: so I would appreciate it folks would get on Instagram.

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Speaker 8: But otherwise look for the book Black Nationalism, and I'll

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Speaker 8: let you all know when the release day comes for

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Speaker 8: the next book.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, thank you, doctor Taylor, thank you

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Speaker 1: for sharing your thoughts with us. Is Marty all right? Family,

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Speaker 1: that's doctor James Selivan the University of San Francisco. That's

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Speaker 1: it for the day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong, stay positive,

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Speaker 1: please please stay healthy. We's you tomorrow morning, six o'clock

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Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also

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Speaker 1: in the DMV on fourteen fifty wol or. Information is Power.