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Speaker 4: seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 1: Chris CapCo going to join us expected to just a

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Speaker 1: moment here from Ball State. The new ball State men's

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Speaker 1: basketball coach. Who interesting because in a or within a resume,

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Speaker 1: I should say that has a pretty far expanding reach

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Speaker 1: of different programs, notably with Indy Enfeld at USC and

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Speaker 1: then also SMU, but chrispin time at South Florida at Marshall,

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Speaker 1: not a lot of ties to Indiana, and so I

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Speaker 1: am genuinely curious to just kind of build upon what

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Speaker 1: it is about ball state. To him, that was of

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Speaker 1: the most interest I did watch last night. Speaking of USC,

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Speaker 1: you know, Bronnie James, son of lebron was in the

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Speaker 1: game last night. I have to admit it was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: And I know that people are going to roll their

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Speaker 1: eyes at this and whatever else, and fine, is Bronnie

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Speaker 1: James a legit NBA player?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a kind of a tired radio topic.

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Speaker 1: I realize he did have a pretty impressive dunk last night,

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Speaker 1: and then I thought was a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: showboat after that. But nonetheless, is he a legitimate NBA player?

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Speaker 1: When he's on the floor, he's fine. Can't shoot a lick,

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Speaker 1: but he's fine. Would he be there if his father

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Speaker 1: was not the greatest player on the planet? You know,

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Speaker 1: probably not. But you know what life is all about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, probably wherever you're sitting right now and listening

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Speaker 1: to my voice, there's somebody within the office that you

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Speaker 1: work in, that you're working with, a colleague or a

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Speaker 1: coworker that is there because you know, their dad or

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Speaker 1: their grandpa or their uncle or whatever had something to

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Speaker 1: do with it. I mean, there's nothing wrong with That's

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Speaker 1: kind of the way the world works. And in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: it is still even with all of that, the first

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Speaker 1: time that that has taken place, So to be able

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Speaker 1: to sit there and watch a father son on the

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Speaker 1: floor at the same time, I mean, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was pretty cool. One of the things that last night

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Speaker 1: I really paid attention to that I had not before

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Speaker 1: really paid attention to was I mean, I'm aware of it,

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Speaker 1: and I've certainly been made aware of it from other people,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know that I ever stopped to totally

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Speaker 1: absorb and embrace it and soak it in myself. But

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Speaker 1: Luka Doncic, who is obviously a tremendous basketball player. He's

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Speaker 1: a great and unbelievably gifted offensive player. And I'll give

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Speaker 1: credit to JJ Reddick because what the Lakers do is

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Speaker 1: really really good in figuring out all of those guys

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Speaker 1: right and how to how they play off one another

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Speaker 1: and facilitate for one another and help each other out.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, Luka donca and it is

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Speaker 1: very clear that Lebron James knows that that is now

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Speaker 1: the Luka Doncic show, which is that's asking a lot

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Speaker 1: for a player to basically resort to that or or

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Speaker 1: step aside a little bit and let somebody else take

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Speaker 1: that throne, if you will. And Doncic is incredibly gifted

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Speaker 1: twelve forty five. By the way, Chris Kapko're going to

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Speaker 1: join us, so about ten minutes from now. Doncic is

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Speaker 1: very gifted offensively, he doesn't guard anybody. At one point

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Speaker 1: he was completely turns out by TJ McConnell. But the

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Speaker 1: other thing that I noticed, and I'm not saying Lebron

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Speaker 1: James doesn't do this. Paul George became ridiculous about it.

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Speaker 1: But Doncic complains on literally every single play. It is nauseating.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've Lebron does it as well. Don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong, I get it, and people you know, flopping

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Speaker 1: and all that.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: Luka Doncic complains and rides and be rayed and is

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Speaker 1: a spoiled brat with the officials more than any player

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Speaker 1: I've seen in the NBA in the last five years.

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Speaker 2: And it's not close.

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Speaker 1: Literally every single play, wonderful offensive player undoubtedly incredible vision

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Speaker 1: and you know his obviously his ability to shoot from anywhere.

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Speaker 1: And I remember mac Ingle telling us when Doncons was

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Speaker 1: at the MAVs and I asked him. I think it

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Speaker 1: was maybe in a private conversation, but I said, what

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Speaker 1: do you think it is about him that makes him

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Speaker 1: so good? And this is when Doncons was twenty pounds heavier,

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Speaker 1: and Max said, he understands the angle of where of

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Speaker 1: how to get to the basket better than anybody I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen, whether it be shooting the ball that way,

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Speaker 1: passing the ball that way, Lebron does it really well

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Speaker 1: as well. Lebron had a pass last night that was

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Speaker 1: a no look behind the back bounce pass in transition

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Speaker 1: that literally three people in the history of the game

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Speaker 1: could make.

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Speaker 2: I mean literally.

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Speaker 1: And he's forty plus years old, and I know, I

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Speaker 1: get it that there is a fatigue about and a

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Speaker 1: disdain about him and the whole Lebron versus Jordan. I

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Speaker 1: get all of that, But at the same time, I'm

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Speaker 1: watching a guy that's over forty years old and thinking

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Speaker 1: to myself, this guy is still one of the fifteen

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Speaker 1: best players in the game, if not ten, because he

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Speaker 1: impacts everything around him and you could see. I had

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Speaker 1: the epiphany as I was watching it that I was

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Speaker 1: thinking to myself, every single player on the floor from

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Speaker 1: the time that they entered elementary school to today, eighty

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Speaker 1: percent of them have never known a league without Lebron James,

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Speaker 1: the naring Sceenior League without him. So he's playing against

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Speaker 1: guys that grew up he was their favorite player. Jake

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Speaker 1: Lauravia looked good for the Lakers last night from here

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and I'm thinking that guy was playing high

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Speaker 1: school basketball here in Indy what like eight years ago,

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Speaker 1: when you know he was probably cheering heavily against Lebron

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Speaker 1: in the heat.

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Speaker 2: Terry hang on his second.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to you in just a second

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Speaker 1: here with your thoughts on Matt Painter before we get

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Speaker 1: to Chris CapCo.

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Speaker 2: But that was that was my main thought last night.

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Speaker 1: And I also thought if Lebron James, right now, at

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Speaker 1: the age of forty one years old and not even

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Speaker 1: knowing if he's going to play next year, decided that

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Speaker 1: he wanted to go in if somebody wanted to trade

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Speaker 1: for him, but he's still merit multiple first round picks

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Speaker 1: because it feels like he would.

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Speaker 2: Great player, no question.

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Speaker 1: Terry joins us on the program at two three nine,

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Speaker 1: ten seventy, Hi.

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Speaker 2: Terry, how are you? Is Terry there? Terry? Are you there?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Good?

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Speaker 5: You hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Matt Painter.

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Speaker 7: Is a fabulous, fabulous, fabulous.

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Speaker 6: Coach, agreed coach best coach.

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Speaker 7: Possibly is certainly top five best coach actives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's funny too, Terry, because well,

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Speaker 1: I've got a thought on that, but go ahead and

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Speaker 1: finish what you were saying.

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Speaker 2: I didn't mean to cut you off there and then,

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Speaker 2: and I'll expand on that.

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Speaker 7: So anyway, I've ran into him before, and it was

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Speaker 7: in an oddsetting. It was kind of dark and distant

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Speaker 7: when I first laid eyes on him, and so we

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Speaker 7: exchanged pleasantries. But it could tell from forty paces that

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Speaker 7: that is a powerful man even before.

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Speaker 8: I realized it was him.

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Speaker 7: He has that much presence and it's all super super

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Speaker 7: good and positive. I was able to watch him play

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Speaker 7: in high school, and he was quite the player in

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Speaker 7: high school. But what he's done it for Doe is

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Speaker 7: kind of almost unmatched, and certainly no Indiana squad has

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Speaker 7: come closed now let me say this.

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Speaker 6: I am an Indiana fan, a freak.

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Speaker 2: I'm a freak.

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Speaker 7: Indiana fan, and I've been urged as I've grown up

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Speaker 7: to hate Purdue, but I always rejected it.

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Speaker 2: Terry, how old are you? How old a guy are you? Okay,

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Speaker 2: here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, And this is the thing that I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people it's it's a hard reality to have.

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Speaker 1: And it's where I apologize to Perdue because I said,

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Speaker 1: Pue always gets compared to other schools, and that's unfair.

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Speaker 1: But the reality is that people who grew up if

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Speaker 1: you grew up an Indiana basketball fan or a fan

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Speaker 1: of Indiana University because of the basketball program, not because

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Speaker 1: you went to school there, not because you're from me,

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Speaker 1: but because.

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Speaker 2: You loved Bob and I.

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Speaker 1: You love the way they did it, You love the

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Speaker 1: fact that they had regional players and the way they

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Speaker 1: played in the commitment they had. If you grew up

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Speaker 1: with that, then you should love Matt Painters Purdue. Same foundation,

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Speaker 1: same ideas, same principles, partially because Painter grew up an

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Speaker 1: Indiana fan. And then when it came down to it,

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Speaker 1: he and Todd Learry are at an AU tournament together

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Speaker 1: and Jay Edwards announces that he's going pro basically he

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Speaker 1: was kicked off and a scholarship opens up, and they

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Speaker 1: look at each other, and Painter is about to go

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Speaker 1: to Purdue and Leary's about to go to Minnesota, and

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00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: they both say to one another, if there's if it's us,

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Speaker 1: whichever one of us gets offered, that we're probably going there.

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Speaker 1: And Leary calls Painter and goes, man, I because they're buddies.

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Speaker 1: He's like, dude, that you called me, and I'm getting

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Speaker 1: that scholarship. And so Painter goes to Purdue and I agree,

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Speaker 1: fabulous coach. And when you look at North Carolina, you

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Speaker 1: look at Kansas, look at North Carolina. Right now, Carolina,

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Speaker 1: you don't know who they're going to end up with

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Speaker 1: a coach, but if they were to come after Matt Painter,

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Speaker 1: you could totally understand and assume that Matt Painter may

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Speaker 1: say I'm good here because right now, what he's doing

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Speaker 1: at Purdue, there's no.

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Speaker 2: Reason to leave.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason to leave, and tonight potentially could get

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Speaker 1: himself within one game of a Final Four right back

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Speaker 1: here in his home state.

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Speaker 2: Pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the home state of Indiana, Chris CapCo, we'll

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Speaker 1: call Indiana home and he joins us.

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Speaker 4: Next query in company on ninety three five and one

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Speaker 4: oh seven five the fan.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how about this for.

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Speaker 1: A resume of college basketball programs with which you've been

626
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Speaker 1: affiliated the Florida Gators, South Florida Bowls, Marshall Stetson, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Southern USC, Florida International SMU, and now Chirp chirp the

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Speaker 1: ball State Cardinals because Chris CapCo, who joins us on

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Speaker 1: the Java House Colebrew Coffee guest line, is the new

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Speaker 1: headman's basketball coach up in Monseye and Worth an arena

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Speaker 1: for ball State, and joins us on the program coach,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Indiana.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 8: I'm doing well. That's a little bit all over the place,

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Speaker 8: isn't it. I like it though, Man, you all those

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Speaker 8: spots I've been everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I was going to put you on the spot and

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Speaker 1: do some Johnny Cash and see if you could actually

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Speaker 1: name him in order, but that would probably be I

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Speaker 1: couldn't do that with the places if I had to coach,

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Speaker 1: if I had to list all the places in which

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Speaker 1: I failed college classes, we'd be here all right.

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Speaker 2: So you didn't fail off.

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Speaker 8: But I know that, but I guess so.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's begin with this, And I'm always curious of this.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you now take over a program and

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Speaker 1: you're getting your your first opportunity here as the head

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Speaker 1: of a program, and you've been through all of those places,

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Speaker 1: do you which of those programs do you maybe take

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Speaker 1: the most of what you saw or witnessed or the

651
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: way it was run and say that's the one that

652
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: most influenced me.

653
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 9: Well, that one, for me in particular is easy, just

654
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 9: because just out of sheer years, you know, that was USC.

655
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 9: I was there for ten years and then just basically

656
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 9: the trajectory of it taking over the program, it was

657
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 9: not in a great spot. You know, everyone knows a

658
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 9: USC the brand, whether it's academically or football, but from

659
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 9: a basketball standpoint, the program was not great. When Coachingfield

660
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 9: took over and I was on his initial staff, and

661
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 9: then where we left it eleven years later, you know,

662
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 9: was in such a better place. But in that time

663
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 9: span for me, you know, I went from being an

664
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 9: ops guy to a video guy, to an assistant coach

665
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 9: to associate head coach, and just saw so many iterations

666
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 9: of the program in those years.

667
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 8: That I saw be built. I saw it then go

668
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 8: through investigation.

669
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 9: I saw it then be rebuilt, culminating with us reaching

670
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 9: in the lead eight, culminating us making four straight NCAA tournaments.

671
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 9: So it went through a lot and take great pride

672
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 9: in what we did there.

673
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 8: But I was there for so long. I got to

674
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 8: see so much that it really helped me.

675
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 9: Grow through the business and really helped me develop into

676
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 9: the position I'm in today and really helped prepare me

677
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 9: for that as well.

678
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Speaker 1: And for that reason, I wanted to get more into

679
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: this why ball state? What was it about? You know,

680
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm assuming over the course of your journey when you're

681
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: forty two years old, so there probably have been other

682
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: times where there was a job that intrigued you or

683
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: that you pursued, and this is the one that you

684
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: pursued to the point of getting hired.

685
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: What was it about this opportunity?

686
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've answered this the same way every time people

687
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 9: ask me, And I know it doesn't make sense to

688
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 9: a lot of people, just geographically where I'm from and

689
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 9: where else of my time at. But with the way

690
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 9: the landscape is now, there's just more pressure on coaches

691
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 9: to win games, right, we have external stakeholders that we

692
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 9: have to answer to because of the money now that's

693
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 9: in play, and for me, I think whether you're a

694
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,959
Speaker 9: first time head coach or you're a second or third

695
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 9: time head coach, really the only thing you can ask

696
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,959
Speaker 9: for is alignment. And with that alignment comes are they doing?

697
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 9: Is your administration doing what they can to.

698
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 8: Allow you to be competitive?

699
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 10: Right?

700
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 9: I don't know if everyone's always going to have the

701
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 9: best job in the league, so to speak, but all

702
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 9: I was looking for is working with someone. So President

703
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 9: Mearns and ad Mitchell two guys who are going to

704
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 9: allow me to be competitive, and we're gonna do whatever

705
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 9: they could in their power to help me be the

706
00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 9: best that we could be.

707
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 6: And I knew early on that I.

708
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Speaker 9: Was Jeff's guy, Jeff Mitchell's guy, just the way he spoke,

709
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 9: just through our communication, so I knew he was invested

710
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 9: in me. And then I felt confident with some of

711
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 9: the data or the metrics that we have talked about

712
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 9: in terms of what our NIL would look like or

713
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 9: what our repshare would look like and what we could

714
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 9: get it to and that I genuinely felt that they

715
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 9: were going to do whatever they could in their power

716
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 9: to make us as successful as possible, and honestly, to me,

717
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 9: that's all I could ask for.

718
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Speaker 1: You know, the nil are obviously the key three letters here,

719
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: right Coach Chris Capcost, my guest, the new ball State

720
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: head basketball coach.

721
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Speaker 2: Can you.

722
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Speaker 1: When you look at nil in building a program at

723
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Speaker 1: Ball State? I love worthing Arena. I was there a

724
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: month ago, went to a game up there. I mean,

725
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Speaker 1: it's great, I love it. But at the same time,

726
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: you know it's about the Jimmies and Joe's as well.

727
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Speaker 1: Are you competing from an NIL standpoint? Are you simply

728
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Speaker 1: trying to out compete and outbid if you will, the

729
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: other schools in the MAC or is it even beyond that?

730
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: In other words, do you have the resources?

731
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 10: Well?

732
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Speaker 9: I have the resources, but I don't have the resources

733
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Speaker 9: to where I'm going to be able to outbid people,

734
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 9: outbid everybody. So we have to be smart with our resources.

735
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 9: Gone are the old days where you just use your

736
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 9: gut and win and sol a kid and say hey,

737
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 9: I think he's good enough.

738
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Speaker 8: Our program is going to be very analytically driven, so.

739
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 9: We are going to use our gut in our instincts,

740
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 9: but we are going to use the data and the

741
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 9: metrics that are out there to try to put that

742
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 9: together and make the most rational decisions that we can

743
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 9: on guys, because that's what it comes down to. We

744
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 9: aren't going to be able to outbid everybody, but we

745
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 9: have to be smart about the resources we do. We

746
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 9: can't miss on a bunch of guys. When we do

747
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 9: allocate money to certain guys. We got to make sure

748
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 9: that we are getting tremendous value and production out of that.

749
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 9: So we're going to try to be as smart and

750
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 9: analytical as we can in terms of what we bring in.

751
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 9: But again, the resources are there to be competitive. Not

752
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 9: gonna be able to outbid everyone, but we can be competitive.

753
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 9: Now it's on us to be as smart as we

754
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 9: possibly can to utilize the money the best way that

755
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 9: we can.

756
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Speaker 1: You know, when you look at you know, out of

757
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: the MAC this year obviously in what Miami did, and

758
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: you're aware of it, right, I mean, you guys faced

759
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: them in Dayton at SMU. My concern and I want

760
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: you to tell me, Coach whether or not I'm because

761
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of I'm an insomniac and I come up

762
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: with hair brain schemes at three thirty in the morning,

763
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: and then I think I'm crazy.

764
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so you would know.

765
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: Let me give you one of my my thoughts as

766
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: we look at the wind of change within the NCAA.

767
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: I began to wonder if the NCAA and the selection

768
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: committee with the tournament now is not going to begin

769
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: and heavily favored the power Force out of fear of

770
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: losing those leagues in this wild wild West that we're in.

771
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: And so therefore a twelve lost team out of the

772
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: SEC has a better shot of getting in the tournament

773
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: than a three lost team out of the MAC that

774
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: doesn't win their league, and that really limits what can

775
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: be done from the non power force, because they want

776
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: to favor those that are bringing in the most revenue.

777
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: And the most eyeballs. Am I totally off base?

778
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 8: No? I don't think so.

779
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 9: I mean that was the debate going into it, right

780
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 9: going into the tournament, was Miami of Ohio or US

781
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 9: or Auburn? You know, I think if you look at it,

782
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 9: I mean Miami of Ohio had one loss. When I

783
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 9: was looking at it objectively, not knowing I was going

784
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 9: to be a ball state or I was going to

785
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 9: be at uh or we were going to play them.

786
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 8: Right, to me, a team that goes thirty one and

787
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 8: oh deserves to be in.

788
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 9: I don't care who they played all three, they have,

789
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 9: how many quad fours they have. If you're just looking

790
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 9: at it objectively and you have an appreciation for how

791
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 9: hard that is to do, that they should be in regardless.

792
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 8: But then you look at the seed list.

793
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 9: They went thirty one and one and they were the

794
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 9: last four in, and I think they might have had

795
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 9: the last seat in the tournament. I don't remember that.

796
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 9: I could be wrong, but I think they were seated last,

797
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 9: and maybe we were right before them or vice verst.

798
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 9: I don't remember. So it was very fragile for him, right,

799
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 9: But I also do get it from the standpoint of

800
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 9: scheduling too, Like I've done high major scheduling now for

801
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 9: thirtier for twelve years, so I get what goes into that,

802
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 9: and we try to be as strategic as we can.

803
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 8: So then when you look.

804
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 9: At it in the broader sense, right, having quad one

805
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 9: time in quad twos, well this year like we were,

806
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 9: I think we might have been a we had four

807
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 9: quad one wins, we might have been like four and

808
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 9: eight in quad when we played twelve Quad one games,

809
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 9: and now I want to say we played between Quad

810
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 9: one and Quad two games.

811
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 8: We played twenty, right.

812
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 9: And Miami Ohio played none maybe one Quad two game,

813
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 9: So I also get it from that sense.

814
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 8: I see it both ways.

815
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 9: But I think the committee did the right thing. Miami

816
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 9: Ohio deserved to be in. When you go thirty one

817
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 9: and oh, you deserve to be in. And honestly, if

818
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 9: they were thirty and one, they deserve to be in.

819
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 9: So I don't know where you draw the line at that,

820
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 9: but they got it right with Miami Ohio and they

821
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 9: show that they deserve to be in.

822
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: Listen, I said, coach. I think if you go unbeaten,

823
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: I don't care what league you're in. If you go

824
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: unbeaten when you're in your league, it's different because you're

825
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: seeing teams that are familiar with your pattern. Right, It's

826
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: different than going out and stepping away and keeping a

827
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: couple of tournaments or whatever else. You go unbeaten in

828
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: your league, But if you go unbeaten in a regular season,

829
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: to me, that gets you an automatic qualifier. There are

830
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: two ways you can get in the tournament when your

831
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: conference tournament, or go undefeated in the regular season. It's

832
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like to me, it's that

833
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: difficult to do. But I wanted to touch on this

834
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: as well. I was at the Pacer game last night.

835
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: They were taking on the Lakers. Chris Kapko's my guest

836
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: who had basketball coach at Ball State? And I'm watching

837
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Bronnie James. You had him at USC. What was he

838
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: like to coach?

839
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 9: He was incredible, incredible anytime when more kids and parents

840
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 9: are entitled than ever. Lebron never called us once. He

841
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 9: never texted coach, He never called coach. He never complained

842
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 9: about playing time, he never tried to insert his influence.

843
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 9: He never He was completely out of the way. And then,

844
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 9: to Bronnie's credit, Bronnie up every day. He didn't want

845
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 9: special treatment. He was very professional. He worked hard, he

846
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 9: showed up on time, never asked or anything. Coach never

847
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 9: felt the pressure of having to play him more than

848
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 9: what we did every You know, when we did play him,

849
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 9: it was because we felt like he had earned it,

850
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 9: and so he was as easy as a player I've

851
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 9: ever coached in my tenure. And that's the truth. I

852
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 9: would say that in private, I'm saying it publicly. He

853
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 9: was incredible to coach, and I have nothing bad to

854
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 9: say about my experience with Bran James.

855
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: What style of play are we going to see at

856
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: ball State?

857
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 9: You're going to see a fun, free flowing style of play.

858
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 9: Just coming off of playing a team in the MAC,

859
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 9: I've spent a lot more time wondering, hey, do I

860
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 9: need to adjust what I've done just seeing them play,

861
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 9: and a lot of it was aligned with that. I

862
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 9: think nowadays, if you see the way offensive basketball has gone,

863
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 9: the best teams, whether it's at the high major level

864
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 9: at the mid major.

865
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 8: Level, you got to be able to score the ball.

866
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 9: I think if you you know ten years ago, the

867
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 9: team that was number one in the country an offensive

868
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 9: rating winning even be in the top forty in the

869
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 9: country in terms of offensive rating on Kim Palmer or

870
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 9: in terms of efficiency. So I'm going to try to

871
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 9: play fast and play pace and with a pace, but

872
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 9: I want to also make sure we play as defisient

873
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 9: as possible. But we're going to try to get up

874
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 9: and down. We're going to try to shoot the ball

875
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 9: at every position. We're going to be selfless and share

876
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 9: the ball and try to be one of the better

877
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 9: more high scoring teams in the league, similar to what

878
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 9: we just did at SMU, where we led the acc

879
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 9: and scoring. We were either first or second and assist

880
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 9: and we were number one in the conference at three

881
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 9: point field goal percentage. We were an efficient offensive team.

882
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: This is really naivea meet coach to ask, because Texas

883
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: is a real big state. As a matter of fact,

884
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: they once had a campaign. It's its own other country, right.

885
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: But because you were at SMU, I don't know how

886
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: much familiarity you had with the Longhorns, or if you

887
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: even got a chance to watch them play. While you

888
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: guys were together in Dayton, you had your own stuff

889
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: to worry about.

890
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: I realized.

891
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: But that's who produce thees tonight. For fans listening to

892
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: the program of Purdue, what sort of scouting can you

893
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: offer us on the Longhorns.

894
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, we actually scrimmaged them our very first game of

895
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 9: the year. We scrimmaged Texas and it was a very

896
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 9: competitive game. They're actually down one of their centers, Voka Titus.

897
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 9: He did not playing that game. But you know, coach

898
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 9: Miller is a great coach. I coached against him when

899
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 9: I was in the Pac twelve and he was at Arizona.

900
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 9: So first of all, he's a very very good coach.

901
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 9: His team's going to be prepared. Offensively, they're really good.

902
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 9: Between Jordan Pope and Treymont treymont Mack, treymont Mark. They

903
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 9: can score the ball. Cam de Heidie gives another guy

904
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 9: who can shoot the floor former former Purdue Boilermaker, and

905
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 9: then bo Titus to me is the X factor. He's

906
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 9: as good as a five man as there is in

907
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 9: the country in my opinion. He can score, he can pass,

908
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 9: he can put the ball on the floor, So they

909
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 9: have a lot of versatility with what they can do.

910
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 9: Kendall Weaver kind of gives them a glue guy who

911
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 9: can do a little bit of everything.

912
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 8: I was a big fan of his and we.

913
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 9: Played them early on in the year, and then Dalan

914
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 9: Swaying watching the little bit of them that I have

915
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 9: down the stretch is playing at a at a high,

916
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 9: high level, and it's capable of doing it from inside

917
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 9: and out. He's a mismatch problem, so they will have

918
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 9: their hands full. But I've seen enough of for Due

919
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 9: to know that they have a pretty good point guard

920
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 9: and they have a pretty good frontcore player. And as

921
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 9: long as those two show up to the game. They're

922
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 9: always going to be in a in position to win

923
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 9: the game, so it's gonna be a good match.

924
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: Up, all right, coach. In conclusion, here is part of

925
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: Who's Your Hospitality. I'm just gonna ask you a couple

926
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: of quick questions to get to know you, and I

927
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: want you to give me your first instinctive answer.

928
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: You ready, you got it?

929
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: Okay, first sports poster you had on your wall when

930
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: you were a kid or athlete you most liked was

931
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: who Larry Bird? It's a good answer around here.

932
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 8: Did they tip me out that was from Massachusetts?

933
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 9: And I know he's from Indiana, but my dad was

934
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 9: from Massachusetts, so I grew up a Celtics and Red

935
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 9: Sox sand.

936
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: Well that's Have you ever met Larry Bird? I assume

937
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: you probably cross past with Larry Bird? Okay, well you

938
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: probably met them. You may at some point.

939
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: Okay.

940
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: Your predecessor at ball State, Michael Lewis, who himself of

941
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: Who's Your used to to talk about the fact that

942
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: after a big win or whatever it might be, that

943
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: he did enjoy a cold Bush light. Responsibly, I should

944
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: say for you, it doesn't has to have to be

945
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: a beer but your your favorite cold beverage when you're

946
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: kicking back and watching the game would be.

947
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 9: What if it's in the middle of the day, it's

948
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 9: a corona. If it's at night, it's a glass of wine.

949
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: Okay, non, no wrong lime or no lime in the corona?

950
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 8: Lime gotta have a line.

951
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: Okay. Best concert you've ever attended.

952
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 8: Oh that's a good question. I don't really go to concerts.

953
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: Okay.

954
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: Musical artists most likely to be found on your playlist.

955
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 8: If I hit shuffle, Little Wayne, I'm probably threw you

956
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 8: off too.

957
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: No, it's not bad, okay, Lil Wayne. All right, Okay,

958
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: favorite movie of all time. It's a February day, you're

959
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: not feeling well, You've got the day off. You let

960
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: the guys have the day off. You're flipping the channels.

961
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: Your newborn is taking a nap, and so you're flipping

962
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: the channels. What movie is on television? And you're like,

963
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm locked in. I've seen it one

964
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: hundred times, but I can't pass it.

965
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 8: I just watched it the other day as and Turip

966
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 8: had Detective.

967
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so what time is your MENSA meeting? No,

968
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Okay, Ace Venturer.

969
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

970
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: Then the last one, aside from the Ball State Cardinals,

971
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: that goes without saying the sports team that you have

972
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: found yourself throughout the course of your life being the

973
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: most dedicated fan towards and let's say not name the

974
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: Boston Celtics or the Boston Red Red Socks out of

975
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: the equation.

976
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 9: Too by USC football. Yeah, spent ten years there USC football.

977
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 2: That's pretty hard to argue, man, Pretty hard argument.

978
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: Listen, I myself think that fat Burger is better than

979
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: in and Out. We don't have either of them in Indiana,

980
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: but of course there are delicacies all over Monthsie Indiana,

981
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: which is essentially the Los Angeles and the Midwest. So

982
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: I hope you feel at home, and we certainly love

983
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: having you on the program.

984
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 2: I would love to have you back on coach.

985
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 8: Thanks so much, guys. I'd love to be back on anytime.

986
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

987
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Chris CapCo, the new head basketball coach at Ball State,

988
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: Little Heavy, Little Over. We'll take a break, we'll come back.

989
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: We will expand on that conversation about Texas with mac

990
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: Engele fort Worthstar Telegram.

991
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 4: Next you're listening to Query and Company on ninety three

992
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: five and one oh seven five the Fan.

993
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: A very quick first hour on the program. Here, my

994
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: name is Jake Querry Nathaniel, don't call me Atticus Finch

995
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: is the other voice you will occasionally hear on this program.

996
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison is an opening day for the Cincinnati Reds,

997
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: and he just sent me video of a truck honking

998
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: the horn in the big parade. Now, I know that

999
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: there's a ton I've heard about the Reds opening day parade.

1000
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: I would hope that it consists of more than just

1001
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: a waste management truck, but nonetheless appreciated the video from Eddie.

1002
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: Beautiful day outside Major League Baseball is here. I'm wearing

1003
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: a Red's shirt, a guy I know that was a

1004
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: huge Red Span growing up. As a matter of fact,

1005
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give a little tidbit of information about mac

1006
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: Engel of the Fort Worth Star Telegram as he joins

1007
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line, and

1008
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: that is that this is a guy actually that turned

1009
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: down a Farra Fawcett poster in order to hang one

1010
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: of Eric Davis in his bedroom, which is a little

1011
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: odd and uncomfortable, but it's true. Nonetheless, and he joins

1012
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: us on the show.

1013
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 5: Hello, Mac, take this bad part about it is I

1014
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 5: still have the parah Fawcet poster, but I cannot locate that. Eric,

1015
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 5: give my right arm for that poster. Because if you remember,

1016
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 5: we're going to go back in the way back machine

1017
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 5: here in a minute. If you remember in the eighties

1018
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 5: all of those cool unlicensed posters involving the sports stars

1019
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 5: of the days where they were shot in these sort

1020
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 5: of uh it looked like somebody's back office where it

1021
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 5: had Brian Bosworth and Eric Davis and Darryl Strawberry and

1022
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 5: they weren't licensed through the teams necessarily, And there were

1023
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 5: these very creative posters involving slogans and nicknames.

1024
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I could still remember what half of them were, right.

1025
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 5: Yes, and there I used to have a few of them.

1026
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 5: And that was one of them, and it was forty

1027
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: four magnum and I can't find them anymore.

1028
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: Right, forty four magnum. And it wasn't he He was

1029
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: dressed up kind of like a gangster, right.

1030
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, like a monster a bit, Oh my god. And

1031
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 5: you know what, you know what the prop next to.

1032
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 2: Him was, It was like a weapon. Wasn't it.

1033
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 5: It was a gun, yeah, it was a gun. Yeah.

1034
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 5: And I'm like, oh my god, they would never do

1035
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 5: that today.

1036
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean I remember.

1037
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 5: Had like there's a whole line of them out there,

1038
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 5: like invented stops and retailers and no one, no one

1039
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 5: would do that today.

1040
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: I had.

1041
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 5: That was the one I loved.

1042
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: Mac.

1043
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: It was literally in that time frame, you know, there

1044
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: were in our early childhood. It was a big thing

1045
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: to go on, you know, to the mall and go

1046
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: to Camelot Records and pick out a forty five to buy,

1047
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: right and then and then baseball cards became a thing.

1048
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: But the poster thing was before hats. Posters were a

1049
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: big thing, and I had I had one, for example,

1050
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: that just said speedsters and it had all of the

1051
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: wide This was probably nineteen eighty three, and it had

1052
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: all the wide receivers of the NFL. And then Norman

1053
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: or Nolan Cromwell, who was the safety for the Rams,

1054
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: was dressed as an LAPD chips officer trying to give

1055
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: them all a speeding ticket. And it was like James

1056
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: Loughton and John Starworth and you know whoever, right.

1057
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 5: Nolan Cromwell was the white quarterback at Kansas who shifted

1058
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 5: the safety in the pros. And the crazy thing about

1059
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 5: that poster, Nolan Cromwell was white and everybody else in

1060
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 5: that poster was black, and they had him dressed up

1061
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 5: as a cop. Can you imagine if they did something

1062
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 5: like that today.

1063
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the yeah, I mean in yeah, you're right, actually,

1064
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: because I don't think you're right.

1065
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: I don't think there was a white receiver.

1066
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: I mean, the only white receiver back then was Jeff

1067
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: Querry distant cousin by the way of the Packers.

1068
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 5: With Steve Largen, with Steve Largen have been in that post.

1069
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Largin, that's a good question. I don't think large

1070
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: it Well, I'll have to look up the poster. It's

1071
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: you probably find it online at least a picture of it.

1072
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: Large it might have been. But that's a good point

1073
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: you raise. I mean, and those are the things that

1074
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: you know back then. I mean, we could get into

1075
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: a whole different talk show here, but it you know,

1076
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't that we were less sensitive than whatever else.

1077
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: I guess it just things like that weren't as pointed out.

1078
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: But in hindsight now you look back on it and

1079
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: you go, what in the world you know there there

1080
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: are a ton of examples of that.

1081
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 2: I mean, But then.

1082
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: Again, back then, we also, you know, we were all

1083
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: eating play though, you know what I mean. I mean,

1084
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Speaker 1: it was just a different probably a different world. The

1085
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: other one I had was a poster that said MVP

1086
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: and PI and it was Mike Schmidt and Steve Carlton.

1087
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: I had no affiliation to the Philadelphia A Phillies, but

1088
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: Mike Schmidt's bat was on fire and Steve Carlton's baseball

1089
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: was on fire, and I thought they were the coolest

1090
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: things ever loved.

1091
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 5: All this play thing is at one point in your life.

1092
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 5: I remember you told me when you did it, either

1093
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 5: you your mom or your dad, you threw all that

1094
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 5: stuff away. Now you would give anything to go off

1095
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 5: and get a couple of.

1096
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 2: Those I had. I also had penance, you know that.

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00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 1: We'd go to Johnny Sports, Johnny Sports Nostalgia in Nashville, Indiana,

1098
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: Brown County, and I'd get all of those penance, And

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00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: I love, I mean, I love my dad is the

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00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: one that got rid of most of that once I was,

1101
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: you know, out of the house or whatever else. And

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00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: that's the one thing, without question that I would love

1103
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: to go back and have a lot of that. But Mac,

1104
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: let's get to tonight. It is purdueing Texas in the

1105
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen. You obviously in Fort Worth have seen your

1106
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: fair amount of the Longhorns. What is Purdue getting into

1107
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: tonight in terms of what sort of a team or

1108
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: what style are we going to see out of Texas?

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00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 5: Okay, can I how much time we have on this segment?

1110
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 2: Well, let's see.

1111
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm off the air at three, so we got

1112
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: to squeeze in a couple of breaks.

1113
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 5: Because I came prepared with this detail. And one thing

1114
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 5: about Jake that most people don't know is that Jake's

1115
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 5: alter ego, then staffle with is one of the two

1116
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 5: people to contribute to questions and the answers to the

1117
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 5: popular TV hit game show Jeopardy. And here's the thing

1118
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 5: about Jake. He does it without the use of books

1119
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 5: or the internet. You knows, all this random, useless stuff

1120
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 5: off the top of his head. And I came across

1121
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 5: one that I thought, you know, I might be able

1122
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 5: to stomp Jake. Do you know the NCAA tournament history

1123
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 5: detail that is an infamous moment involving Texas basketball and

1124
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 5: Purdue basketball and specifically head coach Gene Katie when you

1125
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 5: and I were juniors in high school.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Purdue was the number one seat of

1127
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety n Cuba Tournament and lost in the

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00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: first round to Texas, first or second round to Texas

1129
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: and Texas, and I got to think they had two

1130
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: players that were drafted that year in the first round

1131
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 1: of the draft or in the ninety or ninety one draft.

1132
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: It was definitely nineteen ninety in the NCAA tournament. And

1133
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: if you gave me the initials of the backcourt for Texas,

1134
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: I'd be able to tell you. But that was a

1135
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: cinderella story for Purdue that year. Leave that was Steven

1136
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: Scheffler's group and they were upset in the tournament, and

1137
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: it might have even been in the Dome.

1138
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 5: If I'm not mistaken, you are in ninety right, you

1139
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 5: would get an a on that answer.

1140
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: I didn't give it in the form of a question, unfortunately,

1141
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: but go ahead.

1142
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 5: I kind of failed at that. The Texas at three guards,

1143
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 5: they were the ten seed for due was the two

1144
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 5: seed to the Hoosier Dome. Texas Pad three guards under

1145
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 5: Tom Penders, Travis Mays.

1146
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: Joey Lance Lance Blakes. There we go. Yep.

1147
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 5: They combined for fifty six of Texas to seventy three

1148
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 5: points and one point win over the two seed Perdue Boilermakers,

1149
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 5: which was indeed led by Steve Steffler. And you did

1150
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 5: give me your best, John Fisk, and give me Joe

1151
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 5: Hillman driving baseline and getting that weak blank stuff blown

1152
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 5: back in his face by Steve Steffler at Macki Arena.

1153
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 1: So across the timeline, Joe Hillman to the right, Hilman

1154
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: gotta stop. Now fires inside blocked by Steven Scheffler, and

1155
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: Purdue comes the other way. That's a good stuff. Been

1156
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: a long times I've done my don Fish. I used

1157
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: to be able to do it better. But I do

1158
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: know this. Tony Jones would have been in the back

1159
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: court for Perdue that day as well.

1160
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, they lost at the gun. They had Tony Jones

1161
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 5: and Woody Austin Stucky White, and they lost at the

1162
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 5: gun on a three pointer that hit the front of

1163
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 5: the rim. And after the game, GM KD lost his

1164
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 5: stuff at the press convictory slammed the fifth fou. Yeah,

1165
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 5: we do things the right way. We don't cheat. And

1166
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 5: he was so mad because you know they had been

1167
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 5: upstaged by You might remember the Ball State Cardinals, which

1168
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 5: went to the Sweet sixteen last year and was the

1169
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 5: only team to give that Larry Johnson UNLV team a game.

1170
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: Seven point loss to UNLV Paris McCurdy, Sean Parrish, and

1171
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: of course Chandler Thompson.

1172
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Speaker 11: Great team, Hark Thompson yep, Billy, butch yep. So this

1173
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 11: Texas team that you're going to see tonight is not

1174
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 11: that Texas team under Tom Penn. This is a more

1175
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 11: a little bit more. And if you're familiar with Sean Miller,

1176
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 11: who's the head coach at UT now in his first year.

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01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 11: He he coaches I would say somewhat similar to.

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Speaker 5: Matt Painter at Purdue. This is not an up and

1179
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 5: down team. This is a really solid, defensive oriented team.

1180
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 5: They've got a big, big guy in the middle, a

1181
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 5: guy named mattis Vokou Titus, who's the seven footer averages

1182
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 5: about fifteen and eight a game, So a lot of

1183
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 5: stuff is gonna have. People are gonna have trouble going

1184
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 5: at the rim against him. He had a great game

1185
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 5: in the previous win against I think with Gonzaga, but

1186
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 5: this is a solid team that if they get to

1187
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 5: seventy they might they might win. But to me, jink

1188
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 5: they are reflective of what will now be the new

1189
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 5: world of the NCAA Tournament, which is not the mid

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01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 5: major getting in, but a pretty good team from a

1191
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 5: power conference that slides into the tournament and can make

1192
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 5: the noise because they've got some pretty talented players. If

1193
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 5: you look at this Texas team, they were one of

1194
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 5: the last teams in. They really only had two quality

1195
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 5: wins all season. They finished five hundred in the SEC.

1196
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 5: They were only good wins were against Alabama and Vanderbilt.

1197
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 5: This team lost to Arizona State and they barely got

1198
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Speaker 5: in and they barely beat in the State in the

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Speaker 5: playing game, and they do, but they do have a

1200
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 5: couple of good players that you better keep your eye on.

1201
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 5: You can't sleep on Dayly and Swung he's very good

1202
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 5: and he's he's one of those guys who can get

1203
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 5: a double double on you pretty quick. And then the

1204
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 5: other one, I think, I think people are probably gonna

1205
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 5: remember Jordan Pope. He played at Perdue. He's one of

1206
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 5: the few guys. The one thing about this Perdue team, Jake,

1207
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 5: They're not deep, they go two or three off the bench,

1208
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 5: and that's about it. So if any of these guys

1209
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 5: getting foul trouple, Texas is going to be Texas is

1210
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 5: gonna have a hard time. But Jordan Pope is probably

1211
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 5: the best three point shooter. And then the other guy,

1212
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 5: he's a sixth year player. Is ridiculous, but it's the normal.

1213
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 5: This guy's played at Houston Arkansas and that's Tremon Mack.

1214
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 5: He's he can be a problem for you, but he

1215
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 5: can kind of shoot himself into problem. He shoot himself

1216
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 5: into He can be easily convinced to take some dumb sucks.

1217
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 5: But just looking at this games that don't I don't

1218
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 5: see how Texas wins because I don't think there's anybody.

1219
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 5: I don't think there's anybody on that team who can

1220
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 5: give who can take away Braiden Smith. I don't know

1221
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 5: if there's really anybody in college basketball right there who

1222
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 5: can do what Braiden Smith does.

1223
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean, his vision is obviously very good, right and

1224
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: he has been the thing about Braiden Smith that impresses me.

1225
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 2: Mack is.

1226
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: And this hasn't always been the case, but I think

1227
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: it has been of late. He knows when to go,

1228
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: and he knows when to distribute. Does that make sense?

1229
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: Like he he knows when there are games where he's

1230
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: got to be the score and then he knows when

1231
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: there are games where he's got to be simply the distributor,

1232
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: and then he can score when it's opportunistic for him

1233
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: to do so well s.

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01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 5: The best player in Indiana this year Indiana College basketball.

1235
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 1: Oh, I think Smith might have been the best player

1236
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: in the car. I mean, you know, going in he

1237
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: was the he was the presumptive national player of the year,

1238
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: he was the preseason player of the year. So yeah,

1239
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: he I mean, you know, when you look at Purdue

1240
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: in general, Trey Kaufman Wren is a wonderful player and

1241
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: at times has carried Purdue, but Smith has been their

1242
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: most consistent player for CIRT and yes, he would overshadow.

1243
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: You know. Lamar Wilkerson had a really good year in Indiana,

1244
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: truth be told, and was a big time scorer for Indiana.

1245
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: But they Intucker Devrees, I think just I think he

1246
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: was playing hurt most of the year. So and Butler did.

1247
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: Butler had you know, Butler obviously had a year that

1248
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: was an off year and they were riddled by injuries,

1249
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: so nobody was able to consistently. I think if you

1250
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: were to say over the course of a consistency of

1251
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: the year, then yes, it would be him.

1252
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 5: And you know the great thing about when I was

1253
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 5: when I've I've watched for due a little bit because

1254
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 5: I'm you and I are about to stay age, and

1255
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 5: I still can't get my head around that the best

1256
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 5: basketball team in Indiana is Purdue and the best college

1257
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 5: football team of the nation is Indiana. So when I've

1258
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 5: watched Braden Smith, I thought that could be the new

1259
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 5: modern college player who plays a long time because there's

1260
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 5: real money to be There's there's consistent money to be

1261
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 5: made now as a good college player. And the thing

1262
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 5: that baffles me about him is that to average nine

1263
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 5: as siths in a college game where there's only forty minutes,

1264
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 5: and to average fourteen points a game, those are astounding statistics,

1265
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 5: especially for an offense that is not like a team

1266
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 5: that likes to score in the nineties. In the nineties,

1267
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 5: you've got you know that you're almost increasing your dot

1268
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 5: per game all not by two, but maybe by a

1269
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 5: third more than your standard college offense. And when you

1270
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 5: look at Purdue, they don't go, go go. This is

1271
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 5: not you know, Jerry Tarkanian or Billy tub Is there

1272
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 5: any some of those high flying offenses that we thought

1273
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 5: certain points in college basketball and to average that that

1274
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 5: kind of product fifty at that level of assistancy because

1275
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 5: he's not screwing up very much, is just those are

1276
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 5: astonishing stats to me.

1277
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: By the way, Mac, you are you're correct that we're

1278
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: the same age, right, so we know each other's history

1279
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: well and the you know one thing that we have

1280
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: in common, uh, when it comes to you and I,

1281
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: neither one of us were scoring in the nineties either, right,

1282
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: isn't that pretty accurate?

1283
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 5: Well, if you combined all of my attempts the course

1284
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 5: of a year.

1285
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, okay, fair enough.

1286
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: By the way, the Speedster's poster featured Steve Largent, Chris

1287
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: collins Worth and as well as that. And this is

1288
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: the big one here, right, going back to the Saint

1289
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals.

1290
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: Wow, Pat Tilley is that right?

1291
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1292
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: The Saint Louis Football Cardinals played with Roy Green. He

1293
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: was he was the opposite of Roy Green. Roy Green

1294
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: mustads something to do that day, so they sent Pat instead.

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Speaker 2: They're like, here, go do this poster. Who's your final four?

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Speaker 10: Mac?

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Speaker 5: Oh? God uh. I hate to say this because I

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Speaker 5: know everybody's whining and complaining about about there's no mid

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Speaker 5: majors anymore. And before I give that really boring answer,

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Speaker 5: wasn't it a few years ago we had Florida Atlantic,

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Speaker 5: San Diego State, Yukon, and who was the other one?

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Speaker 5: Three mid majors Sandeago State, Florida Atlantic.

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Speaker 1: Texas, Texas Tech in there were they hold on the Tech.

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Speaker 5: It was another mid major and the ratings for it

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Speaker 5: were absolutely god awful? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Correct? I mean, yes, that's the thing. We love the

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Speaker 1: Cinderella story, but the ratings go up as the blue

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Speaker 1: bloods are there, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, And it broke my heart. It absolutely broke

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Speaker 5: my heart because I want to see listen to this tournament.

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Speaker 5: The end of this tournament has always been Walmart versus

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01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 5: Goldman's Backs, or Target versus Bank of America. It's always

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Speaker 5: been that way.

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Speaker 1: Miami, Florida, by the way, it was Miami, Florida, Yukon

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Speaker 1: at Florida, Atlanta and San Diego State.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so yeah, the Miami one doesn't really count. But

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Speaker 5: from a praditional basketball standpoint, Miami wasn't in part of that,

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 5: but anyways, nobody watched it. The rains for it were

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Speaker 5: as bad as they ever were. And the part that

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Speaker 5: breaks my heart about this tournament is that what made

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Speaker 5: it is the chance of an outset Valparaiso getting to

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Speaker 5: the sweep sixteen fall State going on a run and

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Speaker 5: giving Vegas a game of its life. That's what made

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Speaker 5: this tournament. So when I look at this field now,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, and that's the way it's becoming. I know,

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Speaker 5: people boy in Anil the transfert portal or Copperance consolidation

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Speaker 5: or whatever you want to call it. So you know,

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Speaker 5: when I looked at this tournament, I have thought Arizona

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Speaker 5: because Arizona's in the Big twelve and I'm in the

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Speaker 5: Big twelve. I live in the Big twelve area, so

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Speaker 5: I see him a lot. I thought Arizona would get

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Speaker 5: to the final four. I thought Duke would get to

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Speaker 5: the final four. I think Duke is better than Yukon.

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Speaker 5: I think Duke is really really good, although I think

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Speaker 5: Saint John's can give in the game. And on the

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Speaker 5: other side, I don't think Houston can score enough. So

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Speaker 5: I'm going to go with Illinois getting in. I think

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Speaker 5: Illinois is going to be a Final four team. And

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Speaker 5: then on the other side, I think Iowa State's gonna

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Speaker 5: upset Michigan. I think Iowa State Iowa State's going right now,

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Speaker 5: and I think they've got a favorable match up against Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: But I know it makes me sound more than I am,

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 5: but I think of all those different ones, I think

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Speaker 5: Iowa State's going to pull off the biggest upset, even

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Speaker 5: though they were a two seeds. So I've got Iowa State, Illinois,

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Speaker 5: Duke in Arizona, Yeah, and I'll say Arizona will win

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Speaker 5: it all.

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Speaker 1: When Iowa State plays well, I mean, we saw them

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01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: going to Mackie and take care of Purdue handily. And

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Speaker 1: when they're playing well, they're as good as anybody in

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01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: college basketball. But it seems like they are also prone

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01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: to the off day as much as any of the elites.

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Speaker 2: But we shall see what happens.

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Speaker 1: All right, Mac will let you get back to your

1355
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Speaker 1: constant cowboy coverage, but I appreciate the information and the

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Speaker 1: trip down memory lane. When it comes to the Texas Longhorns,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't remember the name other than

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Speaker 1: Lance blanks, but I did eventually get Lance Blanks.

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Speaker 5: I still got an aarist to the way, but thanks

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Speaker 5: for having me on.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Ma Kingel from the four worth Star Telegram joining us

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Speaker 1: in the Java House coldbrew Coffee guest line. By the way,

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Speaker 1: when I mentioned cold brew coffee for Java House, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the coffee is cold. It means the

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Speaker 1: process by which they come up with the coffee is

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Speaker 1: done in kind of a reverse process. That's neither here

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Speaker 1: nor there scientifically, because I failed that class. But amazingly

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Speaker 1: smooth is what they say, and that is indeed the case.

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Speaker 1: And a reminder, if you're going into a Java House location,

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Speaker 1: whether it be any of the two in downtown Indie,

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Speaker 1: the one in broader Pool, two of them in Carmel,

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Speaker 1: or up in Lafayette, you can use the app to

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Speaker 1: order ahead of time before you go in, whether it

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Speaker 1: be a hot beverage cold beverage food, use the app,

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Speaker 1: the Java House app, order ahead of time. They'll have

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Speaker 1: it ready for you when you arrive, and you can

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Speaker 1: use the Codejake twenty five for twenty five percent off.

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Speaker 1: All right, last night, back into it, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what I witnessed, because there

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01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: were a couple of things that I found very interesting

1382
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: last night, a couple of epiphanies I want to get

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01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: further into, and more on Purdue and Texas on this

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Speaker 1: sweet sixteen boiler up version Query and Company on the Fan.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Query and Company on Nutty three five

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Speaker 4: and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it last well, was it yesterday or even

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Speaker 1: last week?

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Speaker 2: At some point? I know I mentioned this yesterday. I

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 2: think that when you are.

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Speaker 1: Inside Gambridge Fieldhouse for a Pacers game, sometimes in the

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01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: air you can feel that energy. You can feel the

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Speaker 1: energy of superstardom teams, superstardom players, and you just know

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Speaker 1: that there's a buzz in the building. And watching last night,

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Speaker 1: it is very bizarre and surreal to watch the Pacers

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Speaker 1: and realize that you're watching, by record, the worst team

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. Because I'm sitting there watching them play,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the crowd, and yes, last night

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Speaker 1: there was a healthy amount there were I should say,

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Speaker 1: well there was a healthy amount of or there were

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01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: a lot of Laker fans in the building, and I

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01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, we're pulling in and the car

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 1: in front of us had Ohio plates. The car that

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01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: we parked next to had Ohio plates, you know, And

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: Shannon's like, why would people? And I'm like, you got

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01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: to keep in mind when I was a kid, for example,

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Speaker 1: before there was an NFL team in Indianapolis, my dad

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Speaker 1: and I would go to Cincinnati to see the Steelers

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Speaker 1: play because that was the team that was always on

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01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: national television and the team that I liked, and that

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01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: was the closest you could get to go see them play.

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01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: And so if you live in Dayton, Ohio, Springfield, Ohio,

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01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: and you're a fan of Lebron or the Lakers or

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01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: whatever else, you know, Cleveland or Indianapolis would be your

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01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: closest places to go to see them play.

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Speaker 2: I do understand it.

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: But still, there was a great energy in the building

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01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: and you could feel just the the energy in the air,

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01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: the buzz in the air of stardom, superstardom, and three

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01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: things that jumped out of me. Number one, Lebron James

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01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: and they had at one point Caitlin Clark doing still photography,

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Speaker 1: assuming those are her pictures that were posted.

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Speaker 2: She is a talented photographer.

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Speaker 1: Doing still photography of and she was primarily taking pictures

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Speaker 1: of Lebron, and it is kind of interesting that, like

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Speaker 1: there would be kind of a pacier's promo of hey,

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Speaker 1: here's a player within our organization that's here to take pictures,

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01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: and then she posts them all of Lebron saying like

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01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: the King, and I'm I get it. I think it

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Speaker 1: speaks to the superstardom of Lebron James a little bit,

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01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, now that I think about it, I'm like,

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: it is still a pro athlete of one franchise underneath

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01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: the umbrella of an NBA franchise, and then kind of

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Speaker 1: promoting a player from the competing team. But that's neither

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Speaker 1: here nor there. I get it. It was fun, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was kind of fun. It was cool to see

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Speaker 1: her down there taking the photos.

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Speaker 2: And then CJ.

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01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: Miles, a former pacer I guess, was also down there

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01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: taking photos and is not, unlike Randy Johnson, the former pitcher,

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01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 1: a talented photographer. But you don't know, and I appreciate,

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: I respect and I understand why people are not fans

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01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: of Lebron. I don't mean that in a personal or

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Speaker 1: political sense as much as simply when a guy or

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01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: a gal is the best at their sport over a

1446
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: long period of time, it eventually has a fatigue factor.

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Speaker 2: Indisputable.

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Speaker 1: Ron does do a lot of looking at the officials

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01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: with that. I mean you can you all can see

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01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: the look right now, the look on his face where

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: he's got both hands up, like what in the world

1452
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything wrong?

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: And so I get it.

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01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 1: And I was watching it pretty closely last night because

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01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how many more times you're going to

1456
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to see him, especially you know, next

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Speaker 1: year he may be in Cleveland again.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but.

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Speaker 1: If he's in LA or if he's retired either one

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01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: at the most you see one one shot, right, And

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Speaker 1: so I watched him and I have always been aware

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Speaker 1: of this, but I really noticed it last night. There

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01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: is something about some players where they have literally like

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Speaker 1: it's like they have they're like an owl. An owls

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01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: can turn its head like I don't know if it's

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01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: three hundred, like one hundred and eighty degrees, and they

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: can see everything going on around them, and they have

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01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: night vision all of it, right. And there are certain

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Speaker 1: players that when you're watching a fast break, you're seeing

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01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 1: a pass being made, you're seeing a play developed and

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Speaker 1: you say to yourself and they make a pass and

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Speaker 1: you can hear the gasp in the crowd.

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01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 2: That happens like three times a game on Lebron plays.

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01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 2: You can sit here and I get it.

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Speaker 1: People are like, why am I listening to this guy

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01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: talk about what a great passer he is and the

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Speaker 1: great vision that he has because of this game knows game.

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01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:40,839
Speaker 1: And last night, on not one, not two, but three occasions,

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01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,839
Speaker 1: I saw Lebron James after making great plays, great passes,

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Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and he does go kind of

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01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: out of his way to as the kids say, dep

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Speaker 1: up teammates, give him.

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Speaker 2: A five, you know whatever.

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01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: But there were three stops of play on the end

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: of the near the Pacers bench, at three different periods

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Speaker 1: of the game where I saw Lebron joking around with

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Speaker 1: and laughing with Tyrese Halibert, And at one point I

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01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: kept hearing him say, Reese, He's like, you know, he

1489
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: was laughing. You know you saw that, Reese and saying

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01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: it in a literally in the same way of like

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Speaker 1: when you listen to Mac Engle and I right there

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Speaker 1: in that conversation. I think in most know it by

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Speaker 1: now that Mac grew up in his native to Indianapolis,

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01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: and we grew up together. We've known each other since

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01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: the sixth grade. And I think you can tell that

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01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: when you hear us talk. And I could tell in

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01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: watching Lebron interact with Tyrese Haliburton and hearing him call

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01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: him by a nickname and joking around with him and

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Speaker 1: joking in a self deprecating fashion, because one of the

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Speaker 1: things that I witnessed was lebn Ron was complaining to

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Speaker 1: an official, pleading his case to an official I should

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Speaker 1: say about a lack of whistle on the other end

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01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: that should have gone against the Pacers and in favor

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01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: of and I think it might have been Austin Reeves.

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01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: It was not Lebron, but Lebron was making the case

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01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: to the official. The official basically said, you have presented

1507
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: all of your evidence and you're being overruled. And Lebron

1508
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: then looked at the Pacers bench and to Tyrese Halliburton

1509
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: made the comment of like, hey, you gotta try.

1510
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:38,480
Speaker 2: You know you can't.

1511
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: You gotta do what you can or whatever, and they

1512
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: were laughing about it, and Lebron was self deprecatingly poking

1513
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: fun at his inability to convince the official the way

1514
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: that he wanted to call made. But all I could

1515
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: think in summation here of my long wind is that

1516
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: whether you want to say he's the greatest of all time,

1517
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: that's a different talk show. But he certainly is the

1518
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 1: greatest player of this era and maybe not now, but

1519
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: has been and for the greatest player of his era.

1520
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: That is kind of the face or has been of

1521
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 1: the franchise too, and maybe he has it with every player.

1522
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: And yes, he's played international games with Tyrese Haliburt, they

1523
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: have been teammates, but to see that Halliburton, I've watched

1524
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot of games there and there have been other

1525
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: players that I don't think Victor Oladipo was getting that

1526
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: kind of joking around from Lebron, you know. I don't know,

1527
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: maybe Paul George at his APEX maybe, But I think

1528
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: it speaks volumes to the level of respect that Tyrese

1529
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: Haliburton now has around the league. And I don't know

1530
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: that we would have seen that two years ago, but

1531
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: I think the rest of the league is aware of

1532
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: the fact that while the biggest superstar on the planet

1533
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: is playing for the LA Lakers, last night, he was

1534
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: going up against a franchise that itself has a pretty

1535
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: darn big rising superstar, and that's from a guy who

1536
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: hasn't played the entire season. And then in watching it,

1537
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm talking to the people around me,

1538
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: and we're all saying, wait until this group is healthy again,

1539
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: and how good they might be. And it's hard not

1540
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: to get fascinated and intrigued by that. But I think

1541
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: the rest of the league season knows that, yeah, it

1542
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 1: would be nice to have Zubats playing, but nonetheless to

1543
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: get timing down.

1544
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: But it's it's.

1545
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: Even if Halliburton comes back at ninety percent. The fact

1546
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: that he gets that sort of a respect from Lebron

1547
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: shows that the rest of the league is aware of.

1548
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: For Lebron, who has the vision and the one p

1549
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: eighty spin of his head with the eyes on it

1550
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: to see everything going on around the floor, what I

1551
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 1: saw in that moment was a guy that was aware

1552
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 1: of looking backward at seeing where this team was a

1553
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: year ago, and has the forward thing to anticipate, like

1554
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: he does with a great pass, what is about to happen,

1555
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: And I think he knows they're going to be really

1556
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: darn good. When Haliburton comes back. Additionally, as I mentioned earlier,

1557
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 1: I was stunned. I'm not stunned.

1558
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 10: Wrong word.

1559
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: I mean, he's that word too much today.

1560
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I was always aware of, but it was cemented

1561
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: to me yesterday. How even though he is one of

1562
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: the most offensively gifted players and has that same owl

1563
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,440
Speaker 1: like vision as Lebron, all of those things. For Lukadancic,

1564
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: there is nobody I've seen in the NBA. There are

1565
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: those that may have done it as much, but I

1566
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: can't imagine there's anybody who has done it more in

1567
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 1: terms of whining to the officials like Lukadancic. I mean,

1568
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:51,759
Speaker 1: it's every single play, and that guy guards no one,

1569
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: no one. TJ McConnell. Last night looked like a combination

1570
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: of Stefan Marbury and Alan Irison on the same play

1571
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 1: because Doncic was in front of him and literally had

1572
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 1: as much movement as Michelangelos. David just stood there and

1573
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, a great player, great vision, unbelievable shooter. But

1574
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: man winds a ton and is a human turnstile. We

1575
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: come back, Nathaniel, don't call me Atticus Finch. That's filling

1576
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: in for Eddie Garrison today. I made an attempt earlier today.

1577
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,759
Speaker 1: Not certain where it's gone, but I might have changed

1578
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: Nathaniel's life, might have Yes, I try to do those things.

1579
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:50,440
Speaker 1: But I introduced into something that is an Indianapolis staple

1580
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and we'll find out what he thought

1581
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: of it.

1582
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: And back into.

1583
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: Purdue in Texas Sweet sixteen variation next.

1584
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 4: This is query in company on Nutty three five and

1585
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 4: one oh seven five the fan.

1586
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: Earlier today I had my I don't know if i'd

1587
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: say it's annual or semi annual follow cardiological follow up

1588
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: and thankful that everything continues to be on the right path.

1589
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 1: That's neither of you listening, I realized, but got up

1590
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 1: early for that. And by the way, tomorrow a feel

1591
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: good good for the heart Friday from Franciscan Health reminder

1592
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: that the heart scan is just forty nine dollars and

1593
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: oh so important. As a matter of fact, as I

1594
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,960
Speaker 1: was leaving my appointment, I ran into Michael, who I

1595
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: had forgotten last year. In the month of May, we

1596
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: were giving away five hundred tickets. Michael took his soon

1597
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: to be the father in law of his I believe son,

1598
01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: so his son's soon to be wife's was from Belgium,

1599
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: and he thought, what better way to bond with this

1600
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: individual than, you know, this the father in law of

1601
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: my son, than to go to the Indy five hundred together.

1602
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: So we got them tickets and he went and he

1603
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: was telling me, he's like, man, it was great, but

1604
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: it was.

1605
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: It was.

1606
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: He came up to me in the at the doctor's

1607
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,879
Speaker 1: office and happy to hear that his path is also

1608
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: staying on the healthy one when it comes to heart health.

1609
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: But I was.

1610
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: I was leaving there driving into work, and as I'm driving, I'm,

1611
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, driving along, and I was in the area

1612
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: I had to go run another errand, so this other

1613
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: errand that I ran, I'm running and that took me

1614
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: into the area of a place that was an absolute

1615
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: staple for my buddies and I growing up pretty in Texas. Tonight,

1616
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen, that game getting underway at seven o'clock and

1617
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: Mac ingele you just started talking about and I remember

1618
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 1: vividly that nineteen ninety Purdue Texas game in the NCAA Tournament.

1619
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: And at that time, right around then, my buddies and

1620
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: I all through high school, college after school, we would

1621
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 1: all get Together. Did you ever see Nathaniel, Did you

1622
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: ever see the movie American Pie? I have not, but

1623
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: I know it's on the list I need to. Okay,

1624
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: So at the end of American Pie, that movie fictionally

1625
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: takes place in Grand Rapids, Michigan, and it shows the

1626
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 1: guys all sitting around and there at the hot dog

1627
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: place where they all gather.

1628
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 2: That's their high school place.

1629
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 1: That place for my buddies and I is Patty's of

1630
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: Jamaica at fifty second in Allisonville. Anytime somebody's in from

1631
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: out of town, we got to go get patties. Anytime

1632
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: that we reminisce about stuff a high school, we're like,

1633
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: you remember the time we were all out getting patties.

1634
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: It's a very like just guy grub north side thing,

1635
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 1: I think, and maybe it's generationally I don't know, but

1636
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: they you know Stefan who runs patties. He's the best

1637
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: and his father, Henry, was the original maker, if you will.

1638
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,600
Speaker 1: So I just had to hanker it. I'm like, I

1639
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: gotta get patties. And I went in and picked up

1640
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: a patty, just kind of as a celebration of my

1641
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: own keeping it on the right path. Health wise, I

1642
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: guess probably build your own irony there. But I brought

1643
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 1: back a patty of Jamaica for Nathaniel. Don't call me

1644
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: Atticas Finch because I knew you were filling in for

1645
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: Eddie today, and I well, first off, just out of

1646
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: sympathy alone that you got to sit through three hours

1647
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: of this dog and pony show, and I thought, I'm

1648
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 1: going to see if I can change your life forever

1649
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: by bringing you a patty. Now, I don't know how

1650
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: people ask me all the time to explain what a

1651
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: Jamaican patty is. That's a hard thing to do. Nathaniel,

1652
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: you did or did not sample the patty that I

1653
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: brought in for you.

1654
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 2: Oh?

1655
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 1: I did, and I loved it.

1656
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:44,759
Speaker 2: You did or did not use the dipping sauce.

1657
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: I have not used the dipping sauce yet. The dipping

1658
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: sauce is kind of a spicy ketchup, if you will.

1659
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: But how would you explain the patty.

1660
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a pocket of meat, like not

1661
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 3: quite a hot pocket, but it's like that. It's like

1662
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 3: this like a prorogi almost just full of Jamaican meat.

1663
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:04,480
Speaker 1: Eat it amazing, So a slightly like almost brown sugary

1664
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: curried meat, right, yeah, and then the the patty itself

1665
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: is kind of like a subtle cheese flavored pita.

1666
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 2: Right.

1667
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 3: I could almost just eat the patty itself as like

1668
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 3: as like a snack is good.

1669
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 2: I would agree with that.

1670
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: And the the one the best thing about patty is

1671
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 1: not expensive.

1672
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1673
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 1: And we used to have contests who could eat the

1674
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: most patties.

1675
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you name it. But the more you eat them,

1676
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: the more you crave them.

1677
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: That's about two o'clock in the morning tonight, you're gonna

1678
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 1: wake up and be like, I could really go for

1679
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: another patty and when And they're like white Castle on

1680
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: the fact that when the craving hits, there's no turning back.

1681
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 8: Right.

1682
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you.

1683
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 3: I'm both mad at you and thankful you didn't tell

1684
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 3: me about this when I lived up in Nora.

1685
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, uh it is. I love, love, love love.

1686
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: Patties at Jamaica Man, great place, great place.

1687
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: So pre doing Texas tonight, and I thought Mac said

1688
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 1: it well. And the fact that you know Texas is

1689
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: one of those teams. And we've talked a lot. I've

1690
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: talked about this earlier. Chris CapCo joined us the new

1691
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 1: head basketball coach at Ball State, and we got into

1692
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: this and I mentioned it off the top of the

1693
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: show and Mac touched on it as well.

1694
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 2: When you look at.

1695
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: The tournament bracket, yes, you have your smaller schools there

1696
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 1: that it got the Autoburst by winning their respective leagues.

1697
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 1: But you also have and you will always have, obviously

1698
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 1: the big power schools that are in and in the

1699
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: case of Texas in with you know, double digit they

1700
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: did not have a great year, but they made the

1701
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: tournament as a play in. They had to go to Dayton,

1702
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: they had to beat in C State, who, by the way,

1703
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: in C State will Wade leaving n C State to

1704
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: go back to LSU. I think I saw that. Who

1705
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: knows today that could have been a fake report. I

1706
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: saw it just before.

1707
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 2: We went on.

1708
01:28:53,280 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 1: But either way, the days of like look at India

1709
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: stayed a couple years ago with Josh Shurtz. Everyone knew

1710
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: that Indiana State should have been in the tournament. Everyone

1711
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: knew that, and I think you're going to see more

1712
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: of this. The double digit loss teams. I mean, the

1713
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 1: fact that Auburn was in the conversation was absurd, but

1714
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: the teams that are barely over five hundred that get

1715
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: into the tournament, and I think we're going to see

1716
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: more of that especially, and I think that's why the

1717
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: tournament wants to expand they want to expand the tournament

1718
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: because they want to get in as many of these

1719
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 1: schools out of the SEC, the ACC, the Big Ten,

1720
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: and the Big Twelve. I mean that right there, the

1721
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: number that that makes up of what the number of

1722
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 1: teams in those leagues. And when you look at those

1723
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: leagues and you are the NCAA and you are weighing

1724
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 1: out out or factoring in, do we want to put

1725
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: in eleven lost Texas or from a couple of years

1726
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: ago dynamic Indiana State. I think the NCAA, and maybe

1727
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: they'd never admit this, and maybe this is me just

1728
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 1: eating too many patties and not sleeping enough, but I

1729
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: think the NCAA is looking at the ACC, the Big Twelve,

1730
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, and which one that in the SEC

1731
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: and they're saying, you know what, we heard Jay Querry

1732
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: and Indianapolis mention this on the radio in like twenty fourteen.

1733
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: The teams that are bigger brands than the NCAA itself

1734
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: or the leagues that are bigger leagues than the NCAA itself,

1735
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 1: and eventually, in this nil transfer portal, we're losing all

1736
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: grip on whatever. What was the NCAA's initial purpose. It

1737
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: was to create an even playing field for all athletes

1738
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,959
Speaker 1: across the board and to make sure that female athletes

1739
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 1: were getting the same opportunity as men. All of them

1740
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: fabulous initiatives. And part of the purpose of the NCAA

1741
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: was to make sure that there was no inherent advantage

1742
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 1: allowed for one school over another by making sure they

1743
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: weren't breaking rules, paying players, recruiting violations, et cetera. That's

1744
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 1: all out the window now. So the NCAAA now has

1745
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:35,440
Speaker 1: to say, now, what is our control? What is our jurisdiction?

1746
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this to damn the NCAA. I

1747
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: somewhat is out of sympathy to the NCAAA, but I

1748
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: think the organization is looking at it and saying, we

1749
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 1: are getting closer and closer to the power, blue blood,

1750
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 1: big brand programs, as I always say, those that are

1751
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: sold at a sporting goods store in Butte, Montana. You

1752
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 1: walk in there and you can absolutely bet your backside

1753
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:07,959
Speaker 1: they're selling Florida Gator hats Alabama, Ohio State, UCLA, USC,

1754
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 1: the blue Bloods, the Texas, the big athletic programs. If

1755
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: those schools all band together, or the Big Ten and

1756
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: the SEC and the ACC and the Big twelve band

1757
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: together and say, why are we playing under the rules

1758
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 1: and the restrictions of the NCAA. Let's just form our

1759
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: own G league. Let's pay players as much as we want,

1760
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 1: let's get underwritten by the NBA, and let's hold our

1761
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: own tournament and it's gonna be the G League postseason

1762
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: if they were to do that, And that sounds crazy,

1763
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: but the NCAA may well be saying it's in our

1764
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:52,719
Speaker 1: best interest to make sure that we are doing every

1765
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: favor we can to those four leagues to keep them

1766
01:32:56,280 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 1: happy so that they don't eventually defect. For that reason,

1767
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: you're going to see perhaps more and more teams like

1768
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: this Texas team, which is one that on paper doesn't

1769
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 1: jump out and scare you, but they clearly have players,

1770
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 1: they have a new coach. It's come together for them

1771
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: at this point in the year. And in the portal

1772
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: nil era, every team has a guy or two that

1773
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: can come out and beat you. I think top to

1774
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:23,719
Speaker 1: bottom produe is the better.

1775
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 2: Team than Texas.

1776
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:33,759
Speaker 1: But Texas got in probably as part of this underwritten, subtle,

1777
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: subconscious favor. But they're there and you're gonna have to

1778
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: deal now. You got to take it seriously because you

1779
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: know they're gonna have a couple of players. One of

1780
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: them gets hot from the outside, you know, whether it

1781
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: be Pope, whether it be you know, one of the

1782
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: guys that when we talked about with Chris CapCo and

1783
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 1: he was talking about the different players that you see

1784
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: for Texas, and they got some size there as well.

1785
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 1: One one of those guys can beat you. I don't

1786
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: think Texas is probably gonna try to run a little bit,

1787
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: but Predue can do that, and Produe can shoot from

1788
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: the outside.

1789
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a great game.

1790
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: We'll get more into it two o'clock hour, Tony East

1791
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: joining us other side, back into what happened last night

1792
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: at the fieldhouse. We'll do it all next on baseball

1793
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: opening Day. We have not yet heard from Eddie. He

1794
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: was at the parade for the Reds, and my understanding

1795
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: is has been parading himself around because he's trying to

1796
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: find an eight and seven eight's hat down there and

1797
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 1: it's been a struggle so far, have not gotten an update,

1798
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: but we'll see Tony East next.

1799
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,680
Speaker 4: This is Querry in Company on ninety three five and

1800
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 4: one oh seven five the Fan.

1801
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen Tonight you got Purdue and Texas, Arizona and

1802
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 1: Arkansas right, pigsuey Right?

1803
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 2: Is Illinois tonight?

1804
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the night Camp. That would be Illinois Houston.

1805
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: And what's the other game that I'm missing here?

1806
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,520
Speaker 3: Iowa Nebraska? The bush light bulb.

1807
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 2: Is are there? People? Do you think?

1808
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 1: I mean, there's an element of intrigue about Iowa Nebraska,

1809
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: but doesn't that feel different than the others.

1810
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:14,439
Speaker 3: I think they're going to start the game with the

1811
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 3: ceremonial punt.

1812
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 2: For real, Right, that's exactly right there.

1813
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 1: Literally they and the start of the second half, everybody's

1814
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: going to turn around and then wave and then yes,

1815
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: Nebraska is then suddenly going to find an onslaught and

1816
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: get blown out in the Iowa Nebraska game. Right, it

1817
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: does seem odd for certain. You can bet Iowa absolutely

1818
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,679
Speaker 1: would love to knock out Fred Hoiberg, even though obviously

1819
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: they are. It's not like they have not faced one

1820
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 1: another since Fred Hoiberg was at Iowa. State, but either way,

1821
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: joining us on the Java House Colbrew Coffee guest line,

1822
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so. Based on

1823
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: that intro and segue, Tony East join us from locked

1824
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 1: on Pacers Forbes WTHR number of different places, Tony, Do

1825
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: you get the impression?

1826
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 2: And I do.

1827
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: If I'm coming down on a fast break in the NBA,

1828
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,799
Speaker 1: I asked people this all the time, Tony in the NBA,

1829
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,680
Speaker 1: And I'll get your thought on this. Okay, if you

1830
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: went out right now in an NBA game, Pacers put

1831
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 1: you in uniform, They put you out there, and you've

1832
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: got to play the entire game. All you have to

1833
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 1: do is score field goal and you get a million dollars?

1834
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 1: Could you do it?

1835
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 6: Is a team helping me try to get that goal done?

1836
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 6: Or do I have to like singularly fit in the

1837
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 6: system and do it.

1838
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: Well in this situation that I'm about to come up with,

1839
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 1: they're helping you a little bit.

1840
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, then yes I could. Yes so in other words,

1841
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 6: yes I would score once or twice.

1842
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 11: Yes, you think so, but not because that's the sole

1843
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:02,639
Speaker 11: goal of the team.

1844
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 6: Where are we trying to win?

1845
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 5: Too?

1846
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 6: I have a lot of questions about this, because like,

1847
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 6: what's stopping me from just not playing any defense and

1848
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 6: we get one stop and they just throw it to

1849
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 6: me on the other end?

1850
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: Okay, bingo, because here's my question if okay, let me

1851
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: ask us, which is a bigger guarantee that you're gonna

1852
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: cherry pick like that and they're gonna throw down to

1853
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: you and you just getta lay up and then you're

1854
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: off the floor and that's that. Or and by the way,

1855
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 1: I've got a question for you about the halftime show

1856
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 1: last night. Please tell me you saw it or or

1857
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 1: are you Are your odds better that way of just

1858
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: cherry picking or the odds better that you have a

1859
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: breakaway layup and the only thing standing between you and

1860
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 1: the basket is Luka Doncic.

1861
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 6: You know, it's amazing how like he saying tries. It

1862
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 6: is maybe a little hard, like he's been playing a

1863
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 6: better foot forward on defense recently, but he's still quite

1864
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 6: a big negative on that end. And he's still an

1865
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 6: overwhelmingly positive player because he's that free good on offense,

1866
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 6: but it is a he's not very mobile on the

1867
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 6: defensive end. Let's put it kind of like that.

1868
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 1: Yes, he's late on the defense. And look, he's a

1869
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: wonderful talent. There's no doubt about it. He is offensively,

1870
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: perhaps the most gifted talent in the league, no question

1871
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:20,040
Speaker 1: about it. But I am amazed Tony. I really watched

1872
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:22,320
Speaker 1: it closely last night. I just never really had paid

1873
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: attention before. He's late defensively ninety percent of the time

1874
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:29,240
Speaker 1: because he's whining for so long. It's incredible.

1875
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, that there was a lot of five on four

1876
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 6: last night because of that. With the Lakers in general.

1877
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,679
Speaker 6: The thing that I wonder about Lucas he's so good,

1878
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 6: like does he ever sprint? You know, he hopped seems like, yeah,

1879
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 6: it always seems like he's like like hopping or you know,

1880
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 6: he's not really like running very fast. And then he's like, oh,

1881
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 6: I just scored forty three points like Cali. But yeah,

1882
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 6: it's he is in a lot of actions defensively, Let's

1883
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 6: say that.

1884
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, he may be Marvin Harrison. I remember well

1885
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:03,600
Speaker 1: during the Monday Night Miracle game when Keishawn Johnson was

1886
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 1: miked up and they kept showing in the first half,

1887
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison would get a you know, a twelve yard out,

1888
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: then he stepped out of bounds, and Keishawn Johnson's like, oh,

1889
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: that's how he gets his catches. He avoids contact, he

1890
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: steps out of bounds. Well, Marvin Harrison probably extended his

1891
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 1: NFL career by four years because of preserving his body

1892
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: from that stuff. Right, So maybe lucas the genius here, right,

1893
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Maybe he's he's extending and by not exerting his energy

1894
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:28,759
Speaker 1: half the time.

1895
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 6: That would be awesome selfishly, because he is a joy

1896
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 6: to watch flip in thirty footers like they're like layups.

1897
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 6: But you do wonder about the ceiling of a seailing cause,

1898
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 6: which is weird to say, because the MAVs made the

1899
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 6: Finals with him as their best player, but they got

1900
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 6: worked in that series. I'll be very curious how the

1901
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 6: Lakers do in this postseason and now and how they

1902
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 6: respond to whatever happened.

1903
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: Well, I thought last night, and I know we're here

1904
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 1: to talk Pacers, but I will say I thought, and

1905
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: I have not watched. A matter of fact, at one point,

1906
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 1: I had to look up, and I'm embarrassed to say

1907
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 1: that where exactly they slot in the West. They're third

1908
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: in the West by two really good teams in Oak

1909
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 1: City and San Antonio. But I think they look for

1910
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: two guys that when you have two guys that have

1911
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 1: been the alpha everywhere they've been, I thought Luca and

1912
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: Lebron seemingly now their offensive scheme with then a bunch

1913
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,719
Speaker 1: of role players really does mesh pretty well together.

1914
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,560
Speaker 6: I think they were having issues with that for a

1915
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,839
Speaker 6: lot of the season. And Lebron came back from injury,

1916
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 6: like he didn't miss a lot of time, but this

1917
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,360
Speaker 6: was like a little over a month ago, and he

1918
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 6: has figured out how to be that third option for them,

1919
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 6: because even Reeves gets to balmore and him for them

1920
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,480
Speaker 6: now and now that he's kind of figured out exactly

1921
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 6: where to use his strengths, what you know, and how

1922
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 6: that all should click together for that team, Like they've

1923
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,679
Speaker 6: been awesome and he's like the best third option maybe

1924
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 6: we've ever seen. He's so powerful, you know, it's great

1925
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 6: last night for a forty one year old. So they

1926
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 6: could the top two teams. The less are so good,

1927
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 6: so who knows, but the Lakers could be really good

1928
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 6: actually in the playoffs.

1929
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,400
Speaker 1: We'll see if you right now were starting a franchise,

1930
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: would you and you had like, let's say it's Tony

1931
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: one of my favorite games here, give me a city

1932
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 1: not named Seattle, Las Vegas, or Nashville. Give me a

1933
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: city that does not have an NBA team right now

1934
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: that the NBA is going to give you an expansion franchise,

1935
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 1: where are you putting the team?

1936
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 6: Louisville or Vancouver? I think both two great basketball markets

1937
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 6: and in places that haven't had ever for a long

1938
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 6: time appro team in louis Bo's case, and for twenty

1939
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 6: seven years. Now, when did the Grizzlies move two thousand?

1940
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 2: That's hard to believe.

1941
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, So I'm gonna go with Louisville here, okay,

1942
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 1: And what are you going to call them?

1943
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 2: The Louisville what?

1944
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 8: Oh boy?

1945
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 6: The Bridges? I got nothing for that one.

1946
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: The Louisville the Louisville Rivers.

1947
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 2: How's that? Okay? Okay?

1948
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 6: What's the Triple A baseball team?

1949
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 8: The bats?

1950
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 2: We'll be the balls?

1951
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 6: How about that will be the basketballs?

1952
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 2: Excuse me, will be the balls? Is that what you

1953
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 2: went with?

1954
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 8: There?

1955
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 2: Is that what you said?

1956
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 8: Yes, okay, we have to play.

1957
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: On I won't say it's nutsy. So here, here's the thing.

1958
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: So you've got this team in Louisville, and you are

1959
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: the head of your expansion franchise, and you have your

1960
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: choice between one of three players to select first in

1961
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 1: the expansion draft. Are you going with Shake, Gilgess, Alexander

1962
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: Webeam Yama or Cooper Flag?

1963
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 6: Oh? Sorry, Cooper Flagg, You're ruled out. You got to

1964
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 6: prove like real playoff things. To me, honestly, Wemby hasn't either.

1965
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 10: You know.

1966
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 6: That's that's a big discussion. I think when I talk

1967
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:30,599
Speaker 6: to other people, like media people right now, is like

1968
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 6: Wenby might just be the best player right now, and

1969
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 6: he is twenty one, twenty two, whatever he is. You know,

1970
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 6: that seems like the natural pick. But everybody always sys

1971
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 6: the same thing of like, well, he hasn't done it

1972
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 6: in the playoffs yet, let's see how that goes. Whereas

1973
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,720
Speaker 6: Shay is also mostly pretty young and has done it

1974
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 6: in the playoffs really two times. They lost to Dallas

1975
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 6: two years ago, but Dallas role players shot the crap

1976
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 6: out of the ball that year, and then they won

1977
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 6: the championship last yoh, obviously, and he was very good.

1978
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 6: And it's just it's so rare that a guy like

1979
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 6: him who's scored twenty plus points in however many games,

1980
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:01,919
Speaker 6: what is it, one hundred and thirty now and averages

1981
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 6: thirty a game. Like on starting five, they did that

1982
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,320
Speaker 6: segment where he was getting a haircut, he at thirty

1983
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 6: points in a game and his wife said, nice, Johs,

1984
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 6: and I you at thirty points and he said, that's

1985
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 6: below my average, Like that's crazy to say out loud

1986
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 6: as a sentence. And he's good on defense, like that's

1987
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 6: really rare for a player of that level of offensive potency.

1988
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 6: But obviously when Binyama is the best defensive player and

1989
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 6: his offense is very quick complicitly emerging. So flag I'm

1990
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 6: pushing to the side not proven enough. I think I

1991
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 6: take Shay just barely. But I think a year from

1992
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 6: now that could look stupid because Lembe. I mean, every

1993
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 6: night he does something you've never seen before.

1994
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 1: And he just can do so many different things. That's

1995
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: the thing that's remarkable about it.

1996
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 6: You know, they played the Spurs last. The Pacers did

1997
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 6: right on Sunday whenever that was. And there was the

1998
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 6: first half play where Siakam shot it and he blocked it.

1999
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 6: It was a goaltend that wasn't called, and so Siakam

2000
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 6: and Carlisle were upseid they should be. It was a

2001
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 6: goaltend but lost in the moment of that play was

2002
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 6: like that was insane, Like how did he even get

2003
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 6: the ball?

2004
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 1: He had a play this year and I don't remember

2005
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 1: who they were playing, but I remember I I videoed

2006
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 1: it up the television and posted it and then I

2007
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: was one of five thousand people that did the same.

2008
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: He had a play that I saw this year wemen

2009
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 1: Miyama we're talking about where he blocked a shot like

2010
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:18,599
Speaker 1: pinned against the glass, passed it to a teammate who

2011
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: immediately passed it back to women Mayama, who brought the

2012
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 1: ball up the floor, got to the three point line,

2013
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,880
Speaker 1: crossed over, stepped back and hit a three. And I'm like,

2014
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,800
Speaker 1: this guy sees seven foot five or whatever he is.

2015
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 2: This is unbelievable.

2016
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:34,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, people, some people think he's seven foot eight. I

2017
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 6: don't know if I think he's that tall, but it's

2018
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,920
Speaker 6: not like out of the realm of possibility. Given what

2019
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 6: you see him do. Did you see last night his

2020
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,320
Speaker 6: played a two sequence played with Gig Jackson.

2021
01:44:43,320 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 2: By chance, did not.

2022
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 6: Gg Jackson on the Grizzlies dunked on Wimbanyama, something that

2023
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 6: only John Moran I think is number four. So I

2024
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:52,920
Speaker 6: guess it's around the Grizzlies. He just getting it chuck

2025
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 6: for that and so on the other end, Wamby tried

2026
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 6: dunked on GG Jackson and Gig dunked to block or

2027
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 6: jump it, try to block and I was like, wow,

2028
01:45:01,240 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 6: you're way shorter. I can't believe you jumped. And He's

2029
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 6: basically said post game, yeah, I didn't think i'd really

2030
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:07,480
Speaker 6: had a chance, but wouldn't it have been sick? Basically

2031
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 6: I was like, yes, I respect that being your answer

2032
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 6: to that moment.

2033
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 2: It was great.

2034
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:14,960
Speaker 1: Listen, great player, no question. What did we last night

2035
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 1: learn in that game? If anything about Indiana that we

2036
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,640
Speaker 1: have not already seen before before I get to a WNBA.

2037
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:24,880
Speaker 6: Question, Yeah, it's it's it's like not seen before ever.

2038
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 6: Is tough this year specifically like they haven't had I mean,

2039
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 6: this isn't a lot of time, but they've had three

2040
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 6: straight games with roughly the same rotation, and like their

2041
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 6: core guys are, especially on offense, look very potent right now.

2042
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 6: I think they've shot fifty percent from the field and

2043
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 6: forty percent from three and six games in a row.

2044
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 6: Like their offense is actually kind of humming right now.

2045
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,839
Speaker 6: In Emhar's passing is maybe the newest new thing. Nineteen

2046
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 6: assists is just ridiculous. He said thirty three across his

2047
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:52,800
Speaker 6: last two games. I wonder what that means for his

2048
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 6: spot next year when he's playing the two. But I

2049
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,720
Speaker 6: think it's kind of been one last reminder, right they

2050
01:45:57,760 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 6: have a couple more games coming up a home here

2051
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 6: against playoff team that, had this season been normal, they

2052
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 6: at least could have been decent and not you know,

2053
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 6: the worst win loss record in the league, which they

2054
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 6: have right now because the Woods won last night. So

2055
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's something new, because I think

2056
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 6: a lot of people thought they would be at least

2057
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 6: halfway decent this year. But the fact that they've now

2058
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 6: had a couple of stretches this season where it's like, Okay,

2059
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 6: that's the Pacers we've seen for the last couple of years.

2060
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 6: At least know wheth these there's no doubts about who

2061
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 6: these guys are going into the summer.

2062
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,600
Speaker 1: What can you and clip notes version Tony East is

2063
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 1: my guest. He's on the Java House Coldbrew Coffee guest

2064
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: line Tony, I'm a man of average intelligence. I took

2065
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: algebra seven times before I finally passed thank you to

2066
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:43,640
Speaker 1: my tutor. So in layman terms, can you explain to

2067
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 1: me exactly what went down with the WNBA in terms

2068
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 1: of like collective bargaining agreement and a potential workstoppage that

2069
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:56,759
Speaker 1: then wasn't because it was avoided, and where things stand

2070
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:57,479
Speaker 1: right now.

2071
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:00,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, they had a lot to sort out, right, there's

2072
01:47:00,439 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 6: two new teams this year, it's an expansion draft and

2073
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 6: all that stuff. So they had a like a harder

2074
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 6: not a harder deadline, but like an earlier than you'd

2075
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:12,840
Speaker 6: expect before the season deadline to get everything agreed to

2076
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 6: because they have a lot of offseason deadlines to sort out.

2077
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,799
Speaker 6: But the biggest, at least cor issues that were reported

2078
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:21,559
Speaker 6: in the media that were big hold up points for

2079
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 6: teams and player the league versus the players was one

2080
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 6: revenue for the players, what's the percentage that it should be?

2081
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,799
Speaker 6: That's obvious. That happens every time there's a new CBA

2082
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 6: dispute in any league. And you know, the league was

2083
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 6: at one point proposing that it was based on profit

2084
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:38,680
Speaker 6: or the all on revenue, and the players wanted it

2085
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,360
Speaker 6: to be based on profit. I might have that backwards,

2086
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,959
Speaker 6: but you get what I'm saying, and the percentage differences

2087
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 6: they had, Like the league said fifteen percent, the players

2088
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 6: said way higher. I think they ended up settling on

2089
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 6: twenty percent of revenue was the number there. And then

2090
01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 6: housing credits for like players who don't make a certain

2091
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:57,759
Speaker 6: amount of money, that was a big thing. Minimum salaries

2092
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:00,160
Speaker 6: at a certain level was a big thing, right, all

2093
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 6: sorts of like, hey, this league is built now, like

2094
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:04,639
Speaker 6: we should be paid, and they should. They're the players,

2095
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 6: and the players at the W started their own three

2096
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 6: on three league that already is very popular and pays

2097
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 6: them good money, like they have that level of gravity.

2098
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 6: So there was a lot for them to figure out,

2099
01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:16,559
Speaker 6: but they got it done last week and now they

2100
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,240
Speaker 6: are doing all those things that I mentioned kind of

2101
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 6: checklists in order of they have less than a month

2102
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:24,960
Speaker 6: to do all of this expansion draft, a real draft,

2103
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:28,519
Speaker 6: and free agency, and then training camp starts on April nineteenth,

2104
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,280
Speaker 6: So there's gonna be a lot of chaos that might

2105
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:32,360
Speaker 6: end up being simple because there's not a lot of time,

2106
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 6: but they got all of it sorted out. We've seen

2107
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 6: a few trickle outs of announcements from the league now

2108
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 6: about what the rules will be for these things so

2109
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 6: the Fever can start prepping for their expansion draft and

2110
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,160
Speaker 6: who they should protect and things like that. But it's

2111
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 6: all very fresh and new and confusing, and it's gonna

2112
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 6: be a way different league. Like the minimum salary for

2113
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,600
Speaker 6: this coming season is higher than the max salary was

2114
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 6: last year.

2115
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 8: That's a huge change.

2116
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 1: So when you say the and yes and listen and

2117
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm Tony. I had made the point when this first

2118
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 1: kind of came as an announcement that what this says

2119
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:13,480
Speaker 1: to me when people were wondering forever why the WNBA

2120
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 1: and why NBA franchises were continuing to basically subsidize the

2121
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 1: league itself, that there was a purpose to that because

2122
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: you had to wade through and you and I might

2123
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: have talked about this, I can't recall, but there have

2124
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 1: been so many secondary leagues in sport that have that

2125
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: have eventually just gone away because they haven't had you know,

2126
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 1: the idea might have been great, but they ran out

2127
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:45,520
Speaker 1: of time. And the WNBA, the reason why you continued

2128
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 1: to fund this league twenty years ago was because what

2129
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:54,720
Speaker 1: you were doing was you were creating a benchmark and

2130
01:49:54,840 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 1: a goal and a landing spot for young female basket

2131
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 1: players and what you see now is a league of

2132
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:07,120
Speaker 1: players that are able to finally get the buy in

2133
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:10,120
Speaker 1: because of the work that and the trail that was

2134
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:14,760
Speaker 1: blazed well before. Now, does that mean that eventually we

2135
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,559
Speaker 1: will have a situation like you had with the ABA

2136
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 1: where those players then or and I'm not saying that

2137
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: they're not that they're not owed that. But if you're

2138
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 1: a player, a pioneer player of the WNBA, do you

2139
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 1: are you owed the ability to say, you know what,

2140
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 1: we're the ones that helped make this possible. We need

2141
01:50:35,080 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 1: a retroactive slice of the pie.

2142
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:39,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2143
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 6: I wonder if that'll happen. I mean, it would be

2144
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 6: far off from now. I think if that became the case,

2145
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 6: I mean that that's becoming a thing for the ABA

2146
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:50,000
Speaker 6: like now right like very recently, not super now, but

2147
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 6: you know the last ten years or so and that

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Speaker 6: was you know that lead's been done for forty years,

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01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 6: so you know, you wonder how long that would take.

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01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:58,800
Speaker 6: And I think that because the next step of the

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01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 6: w money wise is what you said, right, Okay, they

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01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 6: know how much money's going to the players now, Eventually

2153
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 6: they're going to pay back creditors and you know, they

2154
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,759
Speaker 6: got a bunch of you know, seed funding, not seed funding.

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01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 6: They got a bunch of funding in twenty nineteen or

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01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 6: twenty twenty, I can't remember exactly what year that was.

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01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 6: Like most people want, you know, they will turn on

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01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 6: investment at some point, right, so they have a lot

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01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 6: to cheer through for the reasons that you described. But

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01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:20,600
Speaker 6: it's like every early pro sports league that ends up

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01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 6: making it is like how many NBA franchises holded the

2162
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 6: first ten years of the NBA that you know we

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01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 6: talk about now. So they got through that stage and

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01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 6: now I think it's I mean, they're growing like crazy

2165
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 6: for a reason, and every time there's a new team,

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01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 6: that team's pumping a bunch of money into the league.

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01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 6: So it's clearly here to stay now. And I think

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Speaker 6: this was probably the hardest CBA they're going to have

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01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 6: to do for a long time, just because there were

2170
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 6: so many conflicting goals of the w and their money

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01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:48,080
Speaker 6: paying back creditors, their commissioner's contract ends this year, versus

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01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:50,679
Speaker 6: the players being like, hey, we're the reason this league

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01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 6: has exploded the last five years. So I don't think

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Speaker 6: that tension will be as strong in future cbas, which

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01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 6: will help them.

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Speaker 1: Tony East is my guest joining us on the Java

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01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:03,240
Speaker 1: House Brew Coffee guest line. All right, Tony, last one

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01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:06,160
Speaker 1: for you here, since we're playing hypotheticals about your expansion

2179
01:52:06,160 --> 01:52:10,680
Speaker 1: team in Louisville. Okay, okay, you are given. As a

2180
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 1: matter of fact, we haven't done the tankathon in a while. Here,

2181
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 1: let's do the tankthon Nathana. I don't know if you

2182
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,360
Speaker 1: happen to have the draft sounder over there by chance,

2183
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:19,960
Speaker 1: but Tony, you know how we do this. I run

2184
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 1: the NBA Draft Tankathon. Yes, once the pick is in,

2185
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 1: then we'll hear that sound. And then, Tony, I want

2186
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: you to tell me we did this with Scott last week.

2187
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to run the the takathon. It's gonna tell

2188
01:52:33,120 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 1: me what selection the pacers have. I want you once

2189
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm going to be David Stern here. I

2190
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: will tell you what pick it is, and then I

2191
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 1: want you to tell me the name of the player

2192
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:47,560
Speaker 1: the pacers are selecting. Are you ready for this fun exercise?

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01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 8: Okay?

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01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Are you sitting down?

2195
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't want you to, like, you know, anything bad

2196
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:54,000
Speaker 1: to happen because you're excitement.

2197
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.

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01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:57,679
Speaker 1: I'm running the simulator now to see where the Pacers

2199
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,719
Speaker 1: will be selecting. Once I have that, Nathaniel like to you,

2200
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 1: you play the sounder in here we go, Okay, sounder,

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01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 1: there we go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

2203
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:13,799
Speaker 1: With the third pick in the twenty twenty six NBA Draft,

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01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers select. Uh.

2205
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:21,720
Speaker 6: So there's an answer that's on the screen in front

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01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 6: of it that I'm trying to guess or am I

2207
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 6: telling you what I would do?

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01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:24,400
Speaker 2: Okay?

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01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:26,479
Speaker 1: So here, let me let me get that. Let me

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01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: get the edge of sketch and shake it of this

2211
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:31,000
Speaker 1: fun exercise. So here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna

2212
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 1: read off, I'm gonna run the simulator again. Okay, I'm

2213
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,719
Speaker 1: gonna read to you what what pick the Pacers would

2214
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: be landing on. And then I want you Tony East

2215
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 1: to tell me who you believe would be the pick

2216
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:42,760
Speaker 1: if they are selecting in that situation.

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01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll do this work.

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01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 6: He did that ruin the funnel, righty.

2219
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:46,680
Speaker 2: No, we're doing it again here.

2220
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:48,840
Speaker 1: Oh boy, hold on, I did it now, Tony. You

2221
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 1: screwed the whole thing up because I did it again,

2222
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:52,760
Speaker 1: and it has them picking fifth and that fifth pick

2223
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 1: goes to the Clippers. So you screwed the whole thing,

2224
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do it again.

2225
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:56,680
Speaker 10: Here we go.

2226
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 2: Here we go.

2227
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 1: With the first pick in the twenty twenty six NBA

2228
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:07,520
Speaker 1: Mock Draft, the Indiana Pacers select.

2229
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 6: I played dumb so I can get the first pick.

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01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,120
Speaker 6: I WoT that aj De Bonsa I think would be

2231
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:15,160
Speaker 6: the pick at one. It seems like that's the most

2232
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:17,960
Speaker 6: common answer from people who know anything about the draft

2233
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:19,760
Speaker 6: or have been connected to this at all. I mean,

2234
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 6: the Yu lost in the first round, but he was

2235
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 6: absolutely tremendous. It just seems like he has the highest

2236
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 6: feeling of these guys. I haven't watched enough to have

2237
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,280
Speaker 6: my own opinion, but given what other people seem to think,

2238
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 6: I think right now he would be the most popular

2239
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 6: pick at number one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that, And I do not

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01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:38,520
Speaker 1: agree with people who say that Boozer would go number

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01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 1: one if the Pacers had it all right. Last thing, Tony,

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01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 1: I know that you love and you are always And

2244
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 1: by the way, one other thing because it ties into this.

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01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I went to a show

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01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 1: at the MIAT and so Shannon and I went and

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01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 1: got something to eat right there on mass Have and

2248
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 1: I walked in and in the restaurant was the guy

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01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 1: that does deal or no deal from Key Bank. Uh

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01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 1: huh that I was starstruck. I didn't say anything to him.

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01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: I almost went up to say, like a deal or

2252
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 1: no deal, but I was starstruck by it. I know

2253
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:13,840
Speaker 1: that you love that at pacer games. Do you watch

2254
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 1: the halftime shows at all?

2255
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:17,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

2256
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 6: Sometimes? But I usually take a lap around the club

2257
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 6: level to like think about what just happened so I

2258
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 6: can more appropriately articulate it later. But I do see

2259
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 6: them sometimes.

2260
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 2: You did not see it last night?

2261
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:29,680
Speaker 6: Not see last night?

2262
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 2: I did not?

2263
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 1: So last night was oh kind of a circus. Solet meets. Oh,

2264
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 1: I forget the fella's name that stacks the chairs.

2265
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 8: Oh man, he stresses me out, I know.

2266
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 1: Uh And and I will say, uh, time to let

2267
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 1: a little hemning out of the tight suit if I

2268
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 1: if I may. But but having said that, this guy

2269
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 1: last night was a similar thing. But he was stacking

2270
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:02,800
Speaker 1: like I learn how to describe it, and then doing

2271
01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:06,480
Speaker 1: handstands on it. Okay, so basically beams and he was

2272
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:09,080
Speaker 1: stacking them on one another and then doing handstands and

2273
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 1: gymnastic type things on it.

2274
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 6: Oh, oh, I know what you're talking about. I've seen

2275
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:15,520
Speaker 6: this guy, okay, but it's not as high as the chairs,

2276
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 6: but I'm still kind of high.

2277
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,520
Speaker 1: It's pretty high. So last night, though he got he

2278
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:23,160
Speaker 1: still had one. There was another round of beams still

2279
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 1: on the floor and his assistant that hands them to

2280
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 1: them was sitting next to them, and he got to

2281
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 1: what would be the penultimate beams and it started wavering.

2282
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was going back and forth

2283
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:37,840
Speaker 1: and it was getting I'm like, whoa wait, And he

2284
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 1: still did his handstand and you know, leg exercise and

2285
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 1: whatever else. But then he started coming down and I

2286
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:48,560
Speaker 1: think I think he punted on the last one. I

2287
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 1: think he punted on it. I think he realized no boying. Oh,

2288
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,560
Speaker 1: and I'm getting out of this right, which is fairly unprecedented.

2289
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 6: I can't watch these hype rider ones, and especially like

2290
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 6: the Fever had that game where red Panic got hurt

2291
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:02,800
Speaker 6: and then the next game where was a chair guy

2292
01:57:02,840 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 6: in Indy. I was like, I can't.

2293
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:05,000
Speaker 8: I can't look at that well.

2294
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 2: And that's the thing.

2295
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised they don't put a matt down

2296
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 1: because I mean kidding aside.

2297
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 2: I was watching it.

2298
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, if something did go wrong here, Like, I mean,

2299
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 1: this guy's in real trouble, right, Yeah, Yes, I'm surprised.

2300
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean I I there has to be. Can you

2301
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: imagine the thickness of the paper that guy's got to

2302
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:24,680
Speaker 1: sign before he goes out there?

2303
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, let me get this straight,

2304
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 2: mister Smith.

2305
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:32,560
Speaker 1: You're telling us you're gonna stand on one hand on

2306
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 1: eighteen stacked pogo sticks. Yes, that's correct. Okay, fine, go

2307
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:37,320
Speaker 1: out and do it. I mean there has to be.

2308
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stanley CON's got to be involved in some way.

2309
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:44,760
Speaker 1: All right, Tony appreciate the time as always, Thanks for

2310
01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 1: having me, Tony East joining us on the Java House

2311
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 1: Coldbrew Coffee guest line. I want to break down these

2312
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:56,040
Speaker 1: games tonight. Nathaniel when I walked in, knew right off

2313
01:57:56,040 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 1: the top of his head everybody that was playing so

2314
01:57:58,040 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 1: based on that, I want to get a little bit

2315
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:04,240
Speaker 1: for they're into who we think advances from that. And

2316
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:10,560
Speaker 1: I have a Mia Kolpa for you Purdue fans. I

2317
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:14,000
Speaker 1: said it earlier, I'm going to repeat it again. If

2318
01:58:14,040 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 1: you are a fan of Purdue. I really hope you'll

2319
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,280
Speaker 1: stick around for another five minutes. If you are a

2320
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 1: fan of Purdue or know someone else who is also

2321
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:24,880
Speaker 1: a fan of Purdue, I would hope that you ask

2322
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:29,720
Speaker 1: them to tune in because A it you know, helps me,

2323
01:58:30,240 --> 01:58:35,640
Speaker 1: but B also because I understand it. I remember when

2324
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 1: Dario FRANKII won the Indy five hundred in two thousand

2325
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:40,200
Speaker 1: and seven and he said to Kevin Lee on the

2326
01:58:40,280 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 1: radio network, I understand now, and when it comes to

2327
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 1: Purdue and being a Purdue fan, I understand now. And

2328
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,480
Speaker 1: so I'm going to explain what I mean by that

2329
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 1: and hope you understand as well.

2330
01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 4: Next query in company on ninety three five and one

2331
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 4: oh seven five, the fan.

2332
01:58:58,360 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 1: Purdue tonight has a chance to do something they have

2333
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:08,520
Speaker 1: done before. Well, actually they would have to. It would

2334
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 1: put them on the doorstep of that And let me explain.

2335
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,160
Speaker 1: And I mentioned this off the top of the show,

2336
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,520
Speaker 1: but it's important enough to me that I want to

2337
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:23,000
Speaker 1: mention it a second time. I owe and I'm saying this.

2338
01:59:23,000 --> 01:59:24,320
Speaker 1: This is not radio theater.

2339
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 2: This is not.

2340
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:33,720
Speaker 1: In any way, shape or form just word Salid. I

2341
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:37,440
Speaker 1: truly do mean this because I thought about it last night,

2342
01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:43,600
Speaker 1: and I'll preface it with the same disclaimer. I can't

2343
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 1: speak for Kevin Bowen. I can't speak for Jeff Ricker,

2344
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:55,200
Speaker 1: James Boyd, Mark Dyton, can't speak for Nathaniel Don't call

2345
01:59:55,200 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 1: me Attaka Spench or Eddie Garrison or jmv or James

2346
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 1: Adams or Caleb Zuver or Greg Reistra who fills in

2347
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,000
Speaker 1: from time to time on this program. Certainly I would

2348
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:09,120
Speaker 1: never want to speak for Derek Schultz, who fills in

2349
02:00:09,120 --> 02:00:12,600
Speaker 1: from time to time on this radio station, anybody else

2350
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: that you hear. I can't speak for others. I can

2351
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 1: only speak for myself in this and that is that

2352
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:24,760
Speaker 1: I sincerely want to apologize to Purdue fans. I want

2353
02:00:24,760 --> 02:00:30,480
Speaker 1: to apologize to you because, at least in terms of

2354
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: this radio show, you probably deserved better. This is a

2355
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:47,880
Speaker 1: program at Purdue that has an opportunity tonight to put

2356
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:55,200
Speaker 1: itself two halves of basketball away from playing in the

2357
02:00:55,240 --> 02:01:01,800
Speaker 1: Final Four in Indianapolis, Indiana, the same state in which

2358
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:06,680
Speaker 1: it's located, which is not the first.

2359
02:01:06,440 --> 02:01:07,200
Speaker 2: Time that's happened.

2360
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:09,840
Speaker 1: They were able to do that in Market Square Arena

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty, the first time the Final Four used

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis as the host city, and yes, Louisville won that year,

2363
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Speaker 1: but Purdue was there.

2364
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:25,040
Speaker 2: And yes, Butler has.

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Speaker 1: Played in Lucas Oil Stadium and a Final four and

2366
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Speaker 1: not just the same state, but the same city in

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Speaker 1: which it's located. But for Purdue, they're going up against Texas,

2368
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Speaker 1: a team they played in the tournament before, a team

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Speaker 1: that ousted them when they were a two seed in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, and that can mean that it awakens the

2371
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:52,000
Speaker 1: evil Jacob Marley ghosts of tournaments passed for Purdue. And

2372
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 1: people can talk about North Texas or Little Rock, Saint

2373
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 1: Peter's or FD you you can do that, do that

2374
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:11,760
Speaker 1: if you want, but Purdues move past that, and it's

2375
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:16,880
Speaker 1: time we do too. Purdue now. And the reason why

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02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 1: I owe you, Purdue fans more, the reason why I

2377
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:24,880
Speaker 1: understand why you'd be sold short and feel that way

2378
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Speaker 1: is twofold Number one. We should have talked more about

2379
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:32,480
Speaker 1: it this week. My main topic every day should have

2380
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:36,080
Speaker 1: been pretty basketball, Purdue in the Sweet sixteen, March Madness,

2381
02:02:36,120 --> 02:02:39,040
Speaker 1: the NCAA Tournament, all of it, everything that goes into it,

2382
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Speaker 1: and knowing that Purdue is seen as a marquee college

2383
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 1: basketball program and has ascended itself now to the point

2384
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:51,440
Speaker 1: where it is legitimately in the conversation as a top

2385
02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:54,760
Speaker 1: seed threat year in and year out that goes out

2386
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:58,120
Speaker 1: and bows down to No. One and plays a tough

2387
02:02:58,160 --> 02:03:01,040
Speaker 1: schedule outside of its own conference, a conference that put

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Speaker 1: six teams into the Sweet sixteen, and a conference where

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02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:09,200
Speaker 1: they won the conference championship, and a team and a

2390
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:12,040
Speaker 1: program that was ranked number one to begin the year

2391
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:14,920
Speaker 1: with the best point guard in college basketball and a

2392
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Speaker 1: guy in Braden Smith that broke the all time assists

2393
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:23,320
Speaker 1: record by an entry past to Trey kaffin Rehn, the

2394
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:27,080
Speaker 1: same guy that scored on his very first career assist.

2395
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Speaker 1: Because that means this is a program that is consistent,

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02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:34,000
Speaker 1: and that means this is a program that delivers, and

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02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:37,040
Speaker 1: that means this is a program that keeps the same

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02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:40,080
Speaker 1: players year in and year out and has with it

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Speaker 1: a chemistry and a culture the most overused word in sports,

2400
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 1: but Purdue has it. And for those reasons, when we

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02:03:51,200 --> 02:03:53,839
Speaker 1: get to a point in the NCAA Tournament where Purdue

2402
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 1: is in the sweet sixteen, they become a victim of

2403
02:03:56,400 --> 02:04:00,640
Speaker 1: their own success because it doesn't even become the primary

2404
02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 1: talking point over the course of the year, because we're

2405
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:09,080
Speaker 1: accustomed to it, and that's unfair to Purdue. They deserve

2406
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 1: better than that. They deserve better than the fact that

2407
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:15,920
Speaker 1: they put themselves in the position. Now we're Purdue being

2408
02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:22,440
Speaker 1: in the sweet sixteen and we basically say, wake me up.

2409
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:25,680
Speaker 1: If they're in the final four. How absurd is that?

2410
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:30,440
Speaker 1: Except for that, that's the expectation and the culture that

2411
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:33,960
Speaker 1: that program has created because they have played that well,

2412
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 1: because they've had players that have matured and grown before

2413
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:41,200
Speaker 1: our very eyes, that came in and took secondary roles

2414
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:44,280
Speaker 1: to a two time National Player of the Year that

2415
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:46,920
Speaker 1: bided their time and waited until it was their turn

2416
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:49,720
Speaker 1: to be the guy. And now they have three or

2417
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:51,800
Speaker 1: four guys on the floor that can be the guy.

2418
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:58,440
Speaker 1: And we didn't give it enough love, we didn't give

2419
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:04,040
Speaker 1: it enough attention because frankly, that's who produces become We've

2420
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:08,720
Speaker 1: taken it for granted that this program outside the borders

2421
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:12,720
Speaker 1: of Indiana, outside the banks of the Wabash, Purdue is

2422
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:16,160
Speaker 1: seen by college basketball fans as one of the preeminent

2423
02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:19,320
Speaker 1: programs in the country, and Matt Painter is a coach

2424
02:05:19,560 --> 02:05:21,480
Speaker 1: that not only is seen as one of the best

2425
02:05:21,480 --> 02:05:25,520
Speaker 1: coaches in college basketball, But his name isn't even necessarily

2426
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:31,120
Speaker 1: linked to rumor of a North Carolina flirtation or Kansas

2427
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:33,880
Speaker 1: should have become available because of the fact that it's

2428
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:36,120
Speaker 1: just an automatic that he's going to stay in West

2429
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:39,920
Speaker 1: Lafayette because why leave what he's built there? And it

2430
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,960
Speaker 1: was already a great program. John Wooden was a three

2431
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:46,640
Speaker 1: time All American as a player there, Gene Katie was

2432
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:51,120
Speaker 1: a multi National Coach of the Year there and won

2433
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:55,160
Speaker 1: three straight Big Ten titles there, And Purdue has been

2434
02:05:55,760 --> 02:06:01,960
Speaker 1: a legit program for a very long time. But reason

2435
02:06:02,040 --> 02:06:07,839
Speaker 1: number two, while we owe that apology, I realize myself,

2436
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:10,680
Speaker 1: and I don't think I'm alone in this, that oftentimes

2437
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:14,480
Speaker 1: when I talk about Purdue basketball, I find myself giving

2438
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:22,080
Speaker 1: it comparison to Indiana. To Indiana, who last won a

2439
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:29,200
Speaker 1: title thirty nine years ago, Indiana who has eclipsed the

2440
02:06:29,240 --> 02:06:33,240
Speaker 1: five hundred mark in the Big Ten seven times this century.

2441
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:41,160
Speaker 1: Indiana who When you ask how many Indiana fans it

2442
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:44,240
Speaker 1: takes to change a light bulb, the answer is seventeen thousand,

2443
02:06:44,280 --> 02:06:49,120
Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty nine one to change it, and

2444
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:51,520
Speaker 1: the other seventeen six twenty eight to sit around and

2445
02:06:51,560 --> 02:06:53,720
Speaker 1: talk about how awesome the old one was.

2446
02:06:55,160 --> 02:06:55,960
Speaker 2: That Indiana.

2447
02:06:56,520 --> 02:06:59,480
Speaker 1: Purdue his eclipsed to Indiana and every facet of the

2448
02:06:59,480 --> 02:07:02,680
Speaker 1: word in college basketball in their program today. And yet

2449
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:04,960
Speaker 1: if I was a Purdue fan, I would be peeved

2450
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:07,840
Speaker 1: till the cows come home that every single time Purdue

2451
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:11,160
Speaker 1: is mentioned, somehow it turns to talking about Indiana, just

2452
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 1: like right now. And I apologize to Purdue fans for that,

2453
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,640
Speaker 1: and I give a mea copper for that, and I say,

2454
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:21,760
Speaker 1: boiler up because you've exceeded that. But for many of us,

2455
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:25,600
Speaker 1: the standard of what we expect when it comes to

2456
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:30,960
Speaker 1: March madness in this state has been the expectation of

2457
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:35,800
Speaker 1: what Indiana once had and what Indiana had, And I'm

2458
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:38,120
Speaker 1: doing it right now. I'm talking about Purdue by bringing

2459
02:07:38,200 --> 02:07:41,040
Speaker 1: up Indiana again, and I apologize for that. But what

2460
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:45,480
Speaker 1: Indiana had was a roster made up primarily of kids

2461
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:48,520
Speaker 1: from the state of Indiana, with a sprinkle in from

2462
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:53,480
Speaker 1: Chicago or Cincinnati, an occasional junior college or international player.

2463
02:07:54,440 --> 02:07:57,800
Speaker 1: And the coach that maintained and developed those players from

2464
02:07:57,880 --> 02:08:02,120
Speaker 1: one era to the next built upon it and became

2465
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:08,040
Speaker 1: relevant not just in Indiana but nationwide, and players that

2466
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:10,480
Speaker 1: for the most part, stayed for four years and you

2467
02:08:10,520 --> 02:08:13,240
Speaker 1: didn't have transfer portal back then, you didn't have nil.

2468
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:17,040
Speaker 1: Back then, it was ten times harder to get guys

2469
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:19,480
Speaker 1: to stay. Now it is, i should say, than it

2470
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:27,280
Speaker 1: was then. But what you have now, the reality is this.

2471
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:31,160
Speaker 1: The guy coaching Purdue grew up a fan of Indiana,

2472
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:33,280
Speaker 1: and he and Todd Leary were at a basketball tournament

2473
02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 1: when they were seniors in high school and Matt Payter

2474
02:08:36,240 --> 02:08:38,280
Speaker 1: was set to go to Purdue because Indiana hadn't called yet,

2475
02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:40,760
Speaker 1: and Todd Larry was set to go to Minnesota. And

2476
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:44,400
Speaker 1: then Jay Edwards gets booted, scholarship gets opened up, they

2477
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 1: call Todd Leary, probably partially by Larry's own admission because

2478
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:52,320
Speaker 1: of Eric Montrosse, and Payter ends up going to Purdue

2479
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:56,520
Speaker 1: and is Purdue through and through and good for him,

2480
02:08:57,080 --> 02:09:00,520
Speaker 1: and he's a Purdue guy, and everybody at Purdue should

2481
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:04,480
Speaker 1: be thanking. They're lucky stars that he ended up going

2482
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:07,080
Speaker 1: to school there because he has been purdued through and

2483
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:11,600
Speaker 1: through and he is a fabulous basketball coach. But Purdue

2484
02:09:11,600 --> 02:09:19,200
Speaker 1: now has a culture, a consistency, and a humility about

2485
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:21,840
Speaker 1: them that they don't worry about those things and they

2486
02:09:21,960 --> 02:09:24,280
Speaker 1: just go out and they continue to win games, and

2487
02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:27,240
Speaker 1: they do it with a bunch of players that you

2488
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,440
Speaker 1: say to yourself, that's the kind of guy I want

2489
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:32,640
Speaker 1: on my team. And the only reason you find yourself

2490
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:35,440
Speaker 1: rooting against it, if you are, is because you don't

2491
02:09:35,480 --> 02:09:37,880
Speaker 1: like what the jersey says on the front, not on

2492
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:43,080
Speaker 1: the back. And we had on Luke Grdle last week

2493
02:09:43,080 --> 02:09:45,360
Speaker 1: on Friday, and as I'm listening to him, I'm going,

2494
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,400
Speaker 1: here we go again. Here's a guy that can drive

2495
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,280
Speaker 1: with his shoot with his left, drive with his right,

2496
02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:55,160
Speaker 1: finish with his right, pass with his left, a basketball

2497
02:09:55,720 --> 02:09:58,520
Speaker 1: savant that can see the floor, that can get a

2498
02:09:58,520 --> 02:10:01,600
Speaker 1: triple double when you need it, and is a score

2499
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 1: but distributor at Mount Vernon and leading his team now

2500
02:10:06,920 --> 02:10:09,040
Speaker 1: one game away from winning a state title before he

2501
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 1: goes to Purdue next year, where the director of basketball

2502
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:15,560
Speaker 1: operations has the single game three point shooting record at

2503
02:10:15,560 --> 02:10:17,960
Speaker 1: Mount Vernon High School. Not Luke Rdle has that record.

2504
02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:21,680
Speaker 1: Elliott Bloom does. Elliott Bloom, who yesterday when we talked

2505
02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:25,880
Speaker 1: to him, talked about the logistics of the NCAA tournament

2506
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:28,200
Speaker 1: and said, and I thought it was a fascinating quote.

2507
02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:30,480
Speaker 1: He said, I feel bad for teams who were going

2508
02:10:30,520 --> 02:10:32,960
Speaker 1: through this for the first time because there's so much

2509
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 1: that you have to do with the travel and everything else.

2510
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:40,120
Speaker 1: But Purdue knows how to handle that now because they've

2511
02:10:40,120 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 1: been there before, because they have consistency of program, and

2512
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:48,839
Speaker 1: that's brought at the top. Starts at the top, PJ Thompson,

2513
02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:52,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Brantley, the assistant coaches, Elliot Bloom, the director of Ops,

2514
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 1: Matt Painter, all the way down to the players themselves.

2515
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:03,360
Speaker 1: And they have exceeded every program in the state of Indiana.

2516
02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:06,880
Speaker 1: They have exceeded or matched every program currently in the

2517
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,640
Speaker 1: Big Ten. They just won the Big Ten Tournament and

2518
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:13,320
Speaker 1: they now have a chance to end up back here

2519
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:17,760
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. And if for some reason they don't beat Texas,

2520
02:11:18,280 --> 02:11:19,680
Speaker 1: it is not a failure this year.

2521
02:11:20,240 --> 02:11:20,640
Speaker 2: It's not.

2522
02:11:22,160 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 1: Because you have guys in an era where it's impossible

2523
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:28,640
Speaker 1: nearly to do so that committed to Purdue, that arrived

2524
02:11:28,640 --> 02:11:32,720
Speaker 1: at Purdue, that stayed loyal to Purdue and won a

2525
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:36,919
Speaker 1: ton of games for Purdue, and have us talking about

2526
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:39,800
Speaker 1: them as we now get on right now the CUSP

2527
02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:44,000
Speaker 1: of April. This is one of the best programs in

2528
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:47,640
Speaker 1: all of college basketball, and for the last week, every

2529
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:50,400
Speaker 1: single show we did should have been talking about in

2530
02:11:50,440 --> 02:11:54,280
Speaker 1: previewing Perdue in Texas and looking at the possibility of

2531
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:58,080
Speaker 1: the matchups between Arizona and Arkansas and what it would mean,

2532
02:11:58,360 --> 02:12:00,480
Speaker 1: and thinking about how awesome it would be to have

2533
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:03,360
Speaker 1: them here at the Final four, and not putting necessarily

2534
02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:05,440
Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other, but looking at

2535
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:09,080
Speaker 1: is what right there is, what is in front of them,

2536
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:12,520
Speaker 1: and to look at the firm standing their feet have

2537
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:15,680
Speaker 1: on that step, because that's the way they've done it.

2538
02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:19,920
Speaker 1: And I've probably sold that short. And the reason why

2539
02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:23,560
Speaker 1: is because we have expected them to be here, and

2540
02:12:23,640 --> 02:12:28,080
Speaker 1: even with the expectation, it is still a remarkable achievement.

2541
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:31,800
Speaker 1: And I hope they win tonight. I hope they win

2542
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:36,640
Speaker 1: tonight because that program deserves to get the continued and

2543
02:12:36,720 --> 02:12:41,240
Speaker 1: increased day to day love that is merited and that

2544
02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:45,040
Speaker 1: is earned, and they should be able to do all

2545
02:12:45,080 --> 02:12:49,600
Speaker 1: of that now by all of us recognizing, admitting and

2546
02:12:49,680 --> 02:12:53,560
Speaker 1: continuing to do so. The fact that it is the

2547
02:12:53,600 --> 02:12:58,160
Speaker 1: best college basketball program in the state of Indiana and

2548
02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:01,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the country sees that, so we probably

2549
02:13:01,080 --> 02:13:03,160
Speaker 1: should say it more here in Indianapolis.

2550
02:13:03,960 --> 02:13:04,920
Speaker 2: John is up at Joe's.

2551
02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:06,400
Speaker 1: We'll find out what he's got going on as part

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Speaker 1: and Air. Now, John, I'm confused. Basically everything about Derek

2561
02:13:29,480 --> 02:13:31,640
Speaker 1: Schultz confuses me in general. But did you say he's

2562
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 1: recapping IU and Purdue?

2563
02:13:33,680 --> 02:13:33,920
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2564
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:38,960
Speaker 12: I think of those. I was drunk yesterday. I mean

2565
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:41,680
Speaker 12: that's what I said. Yeah, I just I said that

2566
02:13:41,680 --> 02:13:43,520
Speaker 12: to Nathaniel, I said, did I just say, I you

2567
02:13:43,640 --> 02:13:46,680
Speaker 12: in that promo? So yeah, just blame it on me,

2568
02:13:47,600 --> 02:13:49,880
Speaker 12: Blame it on hey, who was it? Was it Jamie Fox?

2569
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:54,240
Speaker 12: And blame it on the alcohol. I guess what about right?

2570
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:56,000
Speaker 12: Did you ever blame it on Rio? Did you ever

2571
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,640
Speaker 12: see the movie? Blame it on Rio? I did because

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Speaker 12: I was really attracted to that chick that was maybe

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Speaker 12: the worst actress of all time.

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Speaker 10: But was she super hot back then? What was her name?

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Speaker 1: Michelle something play did fall into that category by the

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Speaker 1: way of not the best actress in the world, but

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Speaker 1: who cares? Right, she had she had some eyebrows that

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Speaker 1: needed some attention. Look back on that and just kind

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Speaker 1: of wonder about other things.

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Speaker 12: Back in the early nineteen eighties, she had an eyebrow

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Speaker 12: that looked like a porn mustache, like two of them

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Speaker 12: on top of her head.

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Speaker 2: Michelle Johnson, Right, Yeah.

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Speaker 10: She was on love mode I think for a time too.

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Speaker 12: But she was, like, for a moment, really hot, and

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Speaker 12: we didn't even pay attention to Demi Moore, who was

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Speaker 12: her sidekick in that Blame It on reel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Demi Moore man one of my all time favorites,

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Speaker 1: no questions, All right, john So what's lined up on

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Speaker 1: the big program? You're at Joe's this time. You are

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Speaker 1: at Joe's right.

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Speaker 10: I am Joe's Grill. We're in Castleton.

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Speaker 12: This is our annual event celebrating the opening of the

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Speaker 12: Major League Baseball season. Tucker Barnhart's on his way to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 12: He's gonna call it a think or James gonna call

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Speaker 12: him right about three ten. Your good buddy, your brother

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Speaker 12: from another mother. Derek Schultz is in San Josie. He's

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Speaker 12: gonna give us an update coming up in the four

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Speaker 12: o'clock hour with the Sweet sixteen and the Boilers in

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Speaker 12: Texas with that seven to ten tip and a lot more.

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Speaker 12: Me and Nally and Miller and Brent Halverson and Jake.

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Speaker 12: This is the place to.

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Speaker 10: Be right here. It is. Everybody's jerseyed up.

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Speaker 12: I've got my Nasty Boys that I got in nineteen

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Speaker 12: ninety for Wire to Wire rocking with Charlton and Dibble.

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Speaker 10: You know, remember those little cartoon shirts.

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Speaker 12: That they had that were a popular back at the

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Speaker 12: end of the eighties and early nineties. Got a Nasty Boys.

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Speaker 12: Here's how you know it's real from back then. It

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Speaker 12: is shot Sea approved. There's a stamp on the bottom. Wow,

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Speaker 12: it says shot Sea approved. So it had to be

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Speaker 12: approved by the dog.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Okay, real quick?

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Speaker 1: Houston, Illinois, who you got, Houston? I would agree with

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Speaker 1: that now.

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Speaker 12: And I got Houston and Purdue in the championship game,

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Speaker 12: so I have to.

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Speaker 2: Have you, okay.

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Speaker 1: Arizona arc saw tonight in Arizona. It's hard to argue

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Speaker 1: that although I'd like to see Arizona do it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Purdue Texas. I mean, look, it's not gonna be easy,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna go with Purdue there right, No.

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Speaker 12: And you know what, we probably haven't talked about it

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Speaker 12: enough how difficult it's going to be because Texas they've

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Speaker 12: been ample shot making since they got in last week

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Speaker 12: by virtue of the Dayton play in, and they've been

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Speaker 12: making shots and they're there. I just I think Purdue

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Speaker 12: is gonna have too much. I think that's how we

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Speaker 12: view it right now. Brad Smith, Jake has to have

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Speaker 12: a better game right than he did Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: Sure he can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you can get by they they they

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Speaker 1: lifted him up right on an off day, but you

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Speaker 1: can't have another one. I think Iowa upsets Nebraska. Your

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Speaker 1: thoughts I.

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Speaker 12: Would go in Nebraska on this. I think Nebraska advances

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Speaker 12: to the elite. I think oftentimes you're gonna have a

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Speaker 12: big upset like Iowa pulled off against Florida last week.

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Speaker 10: I'm not gonna suggest they have a.

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Speaker 12: Letdown, but this kind of seems like that next game

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Speaker 12: could be an issue for him. Yeah, I do think

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Speaker 12: Nebraska's pretty good. I will say this, Jake, these four

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Speaker 12: games later on tonight. These are elite level choice? Are

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Speaker 12: they not?

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Speaker 2: Total?

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Speaker 10: And they'd sit down and watch them in their entirety

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Speaker 10: type of stuff?

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Speaker 2: Would you say, Brent Holberson is with you?

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Speaker 10: Brent Holberson is not here, right, he is somewhere in here.

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Speaker 10: It's as you can tell. It's incredible loud in here, right.

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Speaker 1: But you saw him saying I saw him at the

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Speaker 1: Pacer game the other day. Awesome, dude, it was fun

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Speaker 1: to see him.

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Speaker 10: And no, he is an absolute great guy.

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Speaker 12: Heaven Hill Distillery so the largest of the bourbon and

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Speaker 12: ginger Rale's going and I'm most see if I can

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Speaker 12: do a better promo.

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Speaker 10: That promo sucked, all right. I feel bad that nobody

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Speaker 10: told me about it. I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear until right then on it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't either.

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Speaker 10: I told Nathaniel has said, do I say, how you

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Speaker 10: right there? What the hell?

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Speaker 1: Blame it Onnrio? All right, John, we'll throw it out

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Speaker 1: to you. I carries home till six and we'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about all.

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Speaker 2: Of it tomorrow. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 10: You got it?

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Speaker 1: Bout I JB will be up next. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: all the rest of you enjoy the games tonight, and

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Speaker 1: I thank you for listening to The Queen Company