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Speaker 1: Polling, polling, polling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a perceived importance of college education allegedly because

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Speaker 2: there's this new poll that says that people don't think

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Speaker 2: it's that important anymore. It has dropped to a new low.

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Speaker 2: This is a Gallup poll. It's kind of in casey

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Speaker 2: by the way, Okay, so what does the poll say?

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Speaker 2: Only thirty five percent of US adults now say a

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Speaker 2: college education is quote very important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So this this stuff all sort of like

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Speaker 1: culminated in except remember this, My mother was a high

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Speaker 1: school English teacher, and in the nineties, they divided the

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Speaker 1: kids basically into two paths.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: There was what they called college prep and what they

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Speaker 1: called tech prep. Yeah, which meant, hey, you're not going

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Speaker 1: to a four year institution maybe you know, maybe you

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Speaker 1: do a two year and apprenticeship, you know whatever, Right,

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Speaker 1: And they prepared kids based on that, like you sort

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Speaker 1: of chose the path and then boo, and then somewhere

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Speaker 1: along the way they started almost like shaming you. Remember

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Speaker 1: at the time I was in high school, basically it

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Speaker 1: was unacceptable to not have some sort of college you know,

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Speaker 1: part of your career path or whatever where And I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I mean, I'm sure that the education institutionalists,

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Speaker 1: you know, kept at it long enough that they got

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Speaker 1: us thinking along those lines. And now, you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: five years or whatever later, twenty twenty five years later,

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Speaker 1: people are kind of wise to, Hey, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of careers that are really good and pay a lot

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Speaker 1: of money, and.

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Speaker 2: You don't need a college degree for it.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So right now we're sitting at thirty five percent of

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Speaker 2: US adults who say that it's very important. In twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: Just fifteen years ago, that number was seventy five percent,

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Speaker 2: So you've had a forty point drop in fifteen years fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, right, spot on, And that really is Look,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a mixture of things. One. I think

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Speaker 1: people get into the real world and they go, hey,

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Speaker 1: this degree isn't helping me. I mean, I like, I

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Speaker 1: could say this, honestly, I have never used my degree.

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Speaker 2: Right, or people are working in an industry that has

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Speaker 2: absolutely nothing to do with what their college degree was.

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Speaker 1: Right, I legitimately have never used my degree for anything.

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Speaker 1: I got my degree because I was And this is horrible,

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Speaker 1: and I think people are wise to I would never

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Speaker 1: do it now, but I literally said, there are so

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Speaker 1: many people that I went to high school with who

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Speaker 1: I am infinitely smarter than them, and I don't want

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Speaker 1: them walking through life having some piece of paper that

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Speaker 1: they can say, Hey, look at how smart I am. Eh,

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Speaker 1: Spie my whole life, Casey, it's all been about spite.

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Speaker 2: It's a great motivator, Rob.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, like, I've never in any interview I've

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Speaker 1: never been on I've ever been on.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Granted, I haven't had a plethora of job interviews because

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Speaker 1: I've either owned my own business or worked here most

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Speaker 1: of my life, but I never been asked for my diploma.

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Speaker 1: I've never been hired or let go because of a

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Speaker 1: diploma or lack thereof. And it was just a complete waste.

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Speaker 1: Other than one or two classes I can think of, Casey,

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Speaker 1: I took history of Jimmy Hendrix at the four hundred

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Speaker 1: level course. I took the history of the Beatles as

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Speaker 1: a four hundred level.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you're on a music station, that would come

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Speaker 2: in handy. In fact, that information has come in handy

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Speaker 2: on this show before.

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Speaker 1: But it's the it. I could find all this stuff

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Speaker 1: on the internet. True, it's not like you know, so

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Speaker 1: my point in all this is that was just a

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Speaker 1: complete waste of money, A complete and utter waste of

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Speaker 1: I think it was able to do the whole college

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Speaker 1: thing for like twenty thousand dollars. Good luck trying to

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 2: Today, right, that's barely one semester.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's also the other part of it

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Speaker 1: is people are saying, now, wait a second, Okay, One,

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing through my own experiences or the experiences of

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Speaker 1: others where these college degrees aren't paying off, or two

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Speaker 1: and two it's so expensive to acquire the degree. Why

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Speaker 1: would I pay all this money for something that's not

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Speaker 1: going to pay out over time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want that debt going into my life. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So there are three different groups, parents of children who

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Speaker 2: are under eighteen, college graduates and then non college graduates.

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Speaker 2: Say those groups again, parents of children under eighteen, college graduates,

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Speaker 2: and then non college graduates. Okay, So out of the

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Speaker 2: three different groups, which group do you think said college

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Speaker 2: was very important the most.

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Speaker 1: Parents of kids under the age of eighteen, college graduates.

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Speaker 2: And non college graduates.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, parents of kids under the age of eighteen.

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Speaker 2: No, it was the college grads.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it was what I thought they would be the

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Speaker 1: people who will see the most, like, hey, parent parents.

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Speaker 2: Of children under eighteen was in second. Thirty eight percent

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Speaker 2: said college is very important, and twenty one percent said no,

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Speaker 2: it's really it's not important at all.

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Speaker 1: You know, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I'd seen the quote from one of the Kardashians of

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Speaker 1: all people that was saying the same thing that basically

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Speaker 1: college is you know, kind of a overrated or whatever

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Speaker 1: phrase she was using, And I said, do we need

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Speaker 1: to think about Not that the public education system will

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Speaker 1: ever allow their stranglehold to be in any way, you know, released,

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Speaker 1: but would it be better for kids if starting at

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Speaker 1: a certain age, whether it's you know, junior high school

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Speaker 1: or whatever, saying hey, find these, you know, five areas.

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Speaker 1: You know, we'll still teach you some core competency. You know,

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Speaker 1: how to add, how to subtract, how to write sentences,

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Speaker 1: things like that, but most of your time is going

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Speaker 1: to be spent find these. You know, there's five days

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Speaker 1: and every day you're going to spend time in those

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Speaker 1: fields learning the trade, rather than learning a bunch of

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Speaker 1: stuff that you're just simply never going to use.

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Speaker 2: But do you think that college offers more of a

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Speaker 2: well rounded education? Do you see a problem if you're

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Speaker 2: focusing on just these four or five areas and then

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Speaker 2: you get in that area and then you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this isn't my thing, what do you need?

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Speaker 1: But that's what people do with college all the time.

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Speaker 1: How many people get a degree and I'm just making

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Speaker 1: something of your education. They're like, man, I really didn't

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Speaker 1: want to be a teacher, so it's good and there's

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Speaker 1: all sorts of fields.

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Speaker 2: They just use that degree to pass hr right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I mean, do you they're using

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Speaker 1: that degree to say, look the well rounded stuff. The

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Speaker 1: reality is in our society we're becoming more and more specialized.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to be well rounded. If you're a plumber,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to be able to get out history.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't need to know toll story, right,

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Speaker 1: like you need to know how to fix the toilet

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Speaker 1: or this or the sink. And basically, I mean we

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Speaker 1: talked about this when we got Anything with the Kardashians

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Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. I feel like by junior high, well,

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Speaker 1: not exactly what I wanted to do. I sort of

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Speaker 1: start you start forming your your interests like these things.

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Speaker 1: And if you choose five fields, then one of those

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Speaker 1: is probably gonna work out right to get an idea

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Speaker 1: where you're at and where you want to go in life,

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Speaker 1: and it may be a way for you to see

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Speaker 1: very quickly, hey this just didn't It's not for me, yeah,