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Speaker 1: Line from Baal Hartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: So we've got the continued reaction from the State of

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Speaker 3: the Union, and the reaction is very clear. Democrats don't

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Speaker 3: know how to react, they don't know how to deal

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Speaker 3: with the situation in the room. I think there's a

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Speaker 3: real issue here with leadership. But there is no question

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Speaker 3: that here we are now two days removed from the

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Speaker 3: State of the Union, and Democrats, I think have realized

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Speaker 3: that they've got a problem from this. Tony Katz, Tony

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Speaker 3: Katz today, Good to be here, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Ed Marcy joins me right now from hotair dot com

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Speaker 3: where he is the coappo to Touty Coppo. I want

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Speaker 3: to get into the State of the Union, but can

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Speaker 3: I get to something you wrote first. You are over

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Speaker 3: there at hot air dot com and you write a

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Speaker 3: piece about rats on sunken drugs show, which is one

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Speaker 3: of the great headlines of all time. Regime Coppos turn

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Speaker 3: informer on Nicholas Maduro.

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Speaker 2: Also from the State of the Union.

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Speaker 3: We've got people not happy that Nicholas Maduro was captured.

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Speaker 3: You've got people still thinking that somehow this was ill timed, ill.

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Speaker 2: Mannered, or illegal. But what is it that we're hearing regarding.

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Speaker 3: People who are part of the regime turning on him.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's interesting because these are people who

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Speaker 4: are already in custody here in the United States. These

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Speaker 4: are this case has been developed over several years against

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Speaker 4: Nicholas Maduro, that's been going on for a long time,

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Speaker 4: and we already have a couple of the you know,

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Speaker 4: regime coppos in custody. They're doing hard time. One of

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Speaker 4: them is doing twenty two years. They want out, They

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Speaker 4: want to cut a deal. Now that they have Maduro,

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Speaker 4: now that we have a duro, they have information that

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Speaker 4: they can trade, and so that's what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 4: This is exactly how the FBI and the Department of

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Speaker 4: Justice build cases in organized crime cases, and that's what

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Speaker 4: this is. It's an organized crime case. They're going to

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Speaker 4: start rolling up some of the people underneath Maduro, the

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Speaker 4: people who can actually say he directly did this. He

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Speaker 4: directly said this. You know, no buffers, you know, like

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Speaker 4: from Godfather part too, and let's got a lot of buffers.

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Speaker 4: You won't have that with these people because they dealt

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Speaker 4: directly with Maduro. Now, the question is, as it always

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Speaker 4: is in these cases, is are these people just making

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Speaker 4: stuff up just that they can get out of prison

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Speaker 4: or at least have a commutation of their sentences, or

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Speaker 4: do they really have the goods? And just like any

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Speaker 4: other case, this is a criminal case. It's going to

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Speaker 4: be tried in federal court. You have to have evidence

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Speaker 4: that corroborates testimony from co conspirators. In these types of cases,

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Speaker 4: you can't just accept the testimony. You have to have

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Speaker 4: some corroboration of that evidentiary corroboration. My guess is that

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Speaker 4: the FBI probably has all it needs to uh ex meme.

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Speaker 4: The Department of Justice has all it needs to prosecute Maduro.

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Speaker 4: But all this helps, and it certainly puts pressure on

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Speaker 4: other co conspirators to come forward and cut does it.

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Speaker 3: Does it put pressure on Delsa Rodriguez, the current vice

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Speaker 3: president and acting president of Venezuela. Does it put pressure

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Speaker 3: on others in the regime, because we still haven't gotten

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Speaker 3: to the place that I think we need to be too,

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Speaker 3: which is actual regime change in Venezuela so the people

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Speaker 3: only step one, and it was cheered as a great, huge, massive, wonderful,

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Speaker 2: But does it put pressure that way?

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Speaker 3: Does it get Is there a thought that's going to

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Speaker 3: we can't work with you, Rodriguez, We can't work with

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Speaker 2: Look at what you did, which they've done a lot

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Speaker 4: I think that what it does is it might make

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Speaker 4: Rodriguez more likely to agree to things like free and

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 4: I think it puts pressure that way, and I think

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Speaker 4: what the White House would prefer, it to what any

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Speaker 4: I mean, it just makes sense to try that first.

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Speaker 4: We've made the point by grabbing Maduro. Everybody now there

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Speaker 4: think that this prosecution process is a way of saying, look,

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Speaker 4: Also in light of Cuba withdrawing its security force, ultimately

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Speaker 3: On what happened with this boat out of Florida and

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Speaker 3: their own protection. Talking to Ed Morrissey of hotair dot com,

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Speaker 3: let me move it to the state of the Union.

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Speaker 3: By golly you right, Trump moved the needle last night.

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Speaker 3: You put this out yesterday. I was there in the room.

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Speaker 3: And I make the same point that Trump did move

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Speaker 3: even by what he said, but why, but by what

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Speaker 3: Democrats did talk to me about what you saw in

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Speaker 4: So first off, you have to understand the context of

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Speaker 4: we really did move the needle among his base, and

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Speaker 4: You just have to understand the limitations of it. But

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Speaker 4: i'll tell you the other thing. I think that Trump

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Speaker 4: really laying out a very different vision from what the

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump very clearly was laying out his vision that

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Speaker 4: America is a nation of heroes. America's a nation of vision,

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Speaker 4: mean it's all moving and you want to have that

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Speaker 3: Let's make it a little more I'll use the word simplistic.

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Speaker 3: How about the idea that America is good and has

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Speaker 3: which is a massive fundamental shift from the political left,

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Speaker 4: Yes, again, this is a it was a vision statement.

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Speaker 4: It was a vision statement. I really liked that part

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Speaker 4: There was at least one major trap that Donald Trump said,

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Speaker 3: I saw Representative ilhan O mar call President Trump out loud,

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Speaker 3: I will go to my grave with that. In terms

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Speaker 2: I was in the room. I was on the backside.

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Speaker 3: I'm behind Trump for the day of the Union, which,

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Speaker 3: Because he doesn't know how to act and no one's

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Speaker 2: We're Spamberger and Democrat, the Democrat counterprogramming. Do you do that?

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Speaker 3: Stay right there. Ed Morrissey from hot air dot Com.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. The Democrats

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Speaker 6: We all love our country because our country isn't so

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Speaker 4: that's that's where that belongs. Right. This is not supposed

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Speaker 4: to be you know, it's not supposed to be a

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Speaker 4: costume show. When you're competing against the state of the

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Speaker 4: Union address. These people are not serious people. These people

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Speaker 4: are idiots, they're fools, and they're demonstrating this and all

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Speaker 4: of this goes to undercut whatever official response you're actually

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Speaker 4: going to provide.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you can find this story Brad Schlager

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Speaker 3: has written over at hot Air's sister site, red state

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Speaker 3: or RedState dot com is where you.

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Speaker 2: Can find that. I go back to the consultants for

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Speaker 2: the political left.

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Speaker 3: Now we disagree in some of them are virulent people,

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Speaker 3: but a bunch of them are not dumb people to

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Speaker 3: disagreement in politics, and they're trying to figure out how

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Speaker 3: to manage this progressive communist wing that they have grown

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Speaker 3: and they built. And we should be clear, we have

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Speaker 3: had drinks with these people. There has been hangouts with

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Speaker 3: these people. There is there's a real difference in policy,

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Speaker 3: but they know when things are are over the edge

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Speaker 3: and nutty. And that's my point. How possibly could this

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Speaker 3: have been allowed to have happened? Don't they know that

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Speaker 3: this is not what professionals do giraffes and inflatable frogs.

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Speaker 3: So I look at this, and I watch this and

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Speaker 3: and you can, like we could shrug our shoulders and

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Speaker 3: be like, well they tried. My point to you is

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Speaker 3: that this isn't trying, This isn't close. This is a

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Speaker 3: belief that we are past the lowest common denominator on

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Speaker 3: our way down.

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Speaker 2: That's what this town is a cult and that frightens

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Speaker 2: the cap out of me.

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Speaker 4: It's a cult. It has become a cult. It is

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Speaker 4: a belief system. And there are different aspects of this cult.

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Speaker 4: And look, there's cult elements all through politics. It always

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Speaker 4: has been. There was a huge cult around personality, cult

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Speaker 4: around Barack Obama, where you know, you had people making

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Speaker 4: kids sing hosannas to Barack Obama while he was still

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Speaker 4: running the first time for president, people naming schools after him.

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Speaker 4: There's some culti elements around Donald Trump too. But this

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Speaker 4: is an entire party that sort of bought into the

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Speaker 4: anti Donald Trump cult. It's sort of like an anti cult,

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Speaker 4: and they're sort of locked into this here to where

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Speaker 4: they can't see outside of it. One of the very

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Speaker 4: few people who can is John Fetterman, and he was

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Speaker 4: on Fox News yesterday morning basically saying the same thing

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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump said, how can you not stand for

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Speaker 4: the mother of Arena Zarotzka, How can you not stand

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Speaker 4: for the for the men and women who are being

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Speaker 4: honored during Donald Trump's speech, You know, you don't have

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Speaker 4: to applaud for everything if you disagree, don't you know,

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Speaker 4: don't applaud, don't stand up, but certain things you stand

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Speaker 4: up for. And he was nonplused.

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Speaker 3: I guess did you see his pelling numbers?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No, I haven't seen his poety.

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Speaker 3: Polling numbers are so underwater that there is no way at.

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Speaker 2: This moment for him to win a primary.

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Speaker 3: And you know that Democrats are going to throw every

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Speaker 3: dollar at him against him that they possibly can. He

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Speaker 3: can't win a primary, and he's popular with the Republicans

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Speaker 3: who won't vote for.

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Speaker 2: Him in a general. So he is in that.

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Speaker 3: He is in a a a a right now, a

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Speaker 3: political no man's land, because he had the audacity to

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Speaker 3: shake Trump's hand, and he is the audacity to say, hey,

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Speaker 3: can we not be crazy even if we disagree on policy.

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Speaker 4: I suspect though that Pennsylvanians might be inclined to send

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Speaker 4: John Fetterman back, he might eventually be inclined to cross

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Speaker 4: the aisle too.

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Speaker 2: No, he's not, that's not it's not.

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Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think so. But you know,

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Speaker 4: people do many things when it wouldn't. It would not

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Speaker 4: be the first time a Pennsylvania senator has done that

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Speaker 4: in order to in order to stay Okay, Bob.

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Speaker 2: Casey, I've got a one.

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Speaker 4: I got a well, Arlen Spector, I'm thinking our good

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Speaker 4: Lord Arlen Spector.

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Speaker 3: I went, Bob Casey, I gotta I gotta five. I

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Speaker 3: got some real stuff. I mean, what are we betting here?

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Speaker 3: He's not one dollar, gentleman's one dollar. He's not doing

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Speaker 3: about it. He's not I feel right.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think you're right. People do

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Speaker 4: funny things though sometimes when when when they need to

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Speaker 4: survive politically, I do think you're right. I think he's

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Speaker 4: too committed to the policies of what you would call

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Speaker 4: the old Democrat Party, which is clearly where he identifies,

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Speaker 4: the working class policies and that sort of thing. But

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Speaker 4: I think if Demo cres shive him in the back,

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Speaker 4: he may not feel a lot of loyalty to them

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Speaker 4: in the future.

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Speaker 3: Think you think he can mount an independent run and

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Speaker 3: guess that might be gett more likely?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I wonder how if he ran as

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Speaker 4: an independent. I wonder how hard Republicans would run against

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Speaker 4: him too. They may they may not be inclined to

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Speaker 4: stick a whole lot of resources in a race where

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Speaker 4: he's running independently. And I'm thinking of Lieberman in Connecticut

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Speaker 4: who had to run independently when Ned Lamont beat him

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Speaker 4: in the primary and ended up winning, that ended up

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Speaker 4: winning the general election as a result.

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Speaker 3: Well, I I will tell you that I would make

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Speaker 3: the assumption that he does not switch parties. I would

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Speaker 3: want the Republicans to run somebody, because I believe you

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Speaker 3: have to run sure, of course, all the time.

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Speaker 2: You have to run hard.

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Speaker 3: But it's really interesting to think because Western Pennsylvania Democrats

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Speaker 3: Western Pennsylvania very differ than center state and very different

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Speaker 3: than Philadelphia in their philosophy.

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Speaker 2: You could really really hurt.

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Speaker 3: The Democratic Party going into twenty twenty eight when he

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Speaker 3: is up. And also it plays into a national presidential

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Speaker 3: where Pennsylvania is up for grabs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, I mean, we can do the politics of this

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Speaker 4: all day long. He doesn't have to worry about it

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Speaker 4: for another year or so. But yeah, I think that

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Speaker 4: he's very clearly being isolated in his own party now.

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Speaker 4: And I think not just on this, but also on Israel,

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Speaker 4: also on.

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Speaker 1: Oh Israel starts at all. Israel absolutely kicks this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: That's where it started. It started with this reel, but

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Speaker 1: it's progressed. This is a guy who really wants to

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Speaker 1: be an old school senator. And this is not the

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Speaker 1: old school senator any longer. It hasn't been for a while, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: But this is what he wants. He wants to be

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Speaker 1: an old school.

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Speaker 4: Senator, want us to do it honorably. And I think

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Speaker 4: he's running out of runway on that. Frankly, unfortunately, I

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Speaker 4: think he's running out of runway on that, and I

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Speaker 4: feel bad for him about that. I actually have a

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Speaker 4: lot of respect for this guy, much more respect than

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Speaker 4: I did when he first started running together. I thought

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Speaker 4: he was just an out, outright, you know, crazy eyed progressive,

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Speaker 4: and it turns out that this guy has got He's

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Speaker 4: a bench, I think is the best way to put

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Speaker 4: He just.

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Speaker 3: Turned out to be a jetic code with him. Ed Morrissey,

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Speaker 3: hotair dot com. I appreciate it taking the time to

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Speaker 3: be with us. More is coming up. I'm Tony Katz