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Speaker 1: why's that he has no idea what's going on?

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Speaker 1: So they had the governor on yesterday and they're asking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did cover a lot of topics. They asked

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Speaker 1: But none of it was stuff that like just basic stuff.

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Speaker 3: We would have to do this in November, either early

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Speaker 1: He's the governor of the state. He has all of

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Speaker 1: And I heard that, sir, mister governor, you have claimed

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Speaker 2: Just what So newsflash, Blackrock is reportedly offering AES thirty

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Speaker 1: So now we have to because these guys were all in.

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Speaker 2: It's been out for a few days now.

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Speaker 1: And if you're governor, not only does he not know,

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Speaker 1: So you think on something like property taxes, you think

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Speaker 2: Well you know what, it's not even just JD. Vance

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Speaker 2: that's coming. The White House Deputy chief of staff is coming.

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Speaker 2: The RNC chief of staff is also coming. Correct me

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Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, that's the party of the governor. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So let's take a break and look. Great job.

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Speaker 1: Hammer and Nigel always do an excellent job. We are

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Speaker 1: in no way saying they did They did nothing wrong.

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Speaker 1: This is all on the governor. He knew or his

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Speaker 2: Now they'll get promoted.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the vice president coming when we come back,

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Speaker 1: shall we?

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Speaker 2: Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: I did not know JD was coming yet.

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Speaker 2: He really didn't know that Jdvans was coming.

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Speaker 1: served in the Senate with Brawn up through last year.

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Speaker 1: Somebody he sent us an email, And that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: Those guys communicated all the time in the Senate, and

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Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out why he wouldn't know,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, is it a security thing? No, because

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Speaker 2: Right, He's coming to whip votes. So the quote is

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Speaker 1: What are we doing here? They've already said it to

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Speaker 2: So Governor Mike Brown wore in the White House last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but think about this, Jade Vance is not coming

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Speaker 2: Well. According to the Governor Mike Brown, a special session

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Speaker 1: And it is his next thing is going to be

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Speaker 2: It's KENDELLN. Casey on ninety three WYBC, Oh we'll cook

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Speaker 1: Little bit more from that interview the governor did yesterday

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Speaker 2: The fact that he didn't know JD. Vance, Vice President

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those and we'll touch that a little bit later

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, here's what he had to say. So

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Speaker 3: Clear that from everything I heard as I was campaigning,

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Speaker 3: And you've seen all the details. Nothing criminal, even though

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Speaker 1: Some conflicts of interests, oh definitely.

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Speaker 3: And you're probably going to maybe see legislator and their

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Speaker 1: Group bull Okay, Well, mister Brawn, I just had an

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Speaker 1: We didn't give it willingly. It was taken from us

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Speaker 2: What no, Oh, you're not allowed to have that inview?

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Speaker 1: But bull what does that mean? Full transparency? What does

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Speaker 1: How can you declare no criminal charges if you're saying, well,

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Speaker 2: It, right, they're going to turn it over to the

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Speaker 1: What if they determined something criminal has happened? How could

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Speaker 2: So you've got Representative At Delaney who called for legislative

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Speaker 1: Republican politicians. They're not going to deal with whether it's

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Speaker 1: the IDC or Diego Morales, because one they don't want

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Speaker 1: the money to get cut off, and two they're worried

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Speaker 1: that if these people get entangled in some legal legal crisis,

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Speaker 1: that it could come back looking bad on them because

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Speaker 1: all this money that's been given to them.

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Speaker 2: So the Senate Majority Leader Rod Bray he said the

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Speaker 2: legislature would review the report closely, and then he emphasized

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Speaker 2: the importance of transparency and public trust. But here's the

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Speaker 2: question that you have to ask, had that money been

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Speaker 2: invested elsewhere, would the ROI the return on investment be higher,

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Speaker 2: and would you know what the return is?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's I think that's what should enrage people, is

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Speaker 1: there's no visible benefit. Because everybody looks around and says,

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Speaker 1: I'm paying more taxes than ever before. If all of

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Speaker 1: this economic development was supposed to spur you know, this

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Speaker 1: great tax space that is going to sustain us as

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Speaker 1: a society going forward, well, then why am I repeatedly

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Speaker 1: asked to pay more? So we can cross that off?

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Speaker 1: And so if it hasn't paid off in the sense

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Speaker 1: of that, then how has that paid off? For me?

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Speaker 1: As a lifelong Hoosier, I would have much rather had

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Speaker 1: that Well, over time, several billion dollars that has been

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Speaker 1: pumped into the IEDC. Keep in mind this audit is

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Speaker 1: just about a three year window. I would have much

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Speaker 1: rather that money gone to something that I can see

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Speaker 1: a tangible benefit for, like roads or bridges or sidewalks

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Speaker 1: or heaven forbid, we just not take it from people

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Speaker 1: to be agin with and let them keep more of

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Speaker 1: their own money. No, what Braun is saying, and what

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Speaker 1: he's saying yesterday, is well, he doesn't. He clearly does.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't even know the Vice President's coming. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: even know Blackrock is about to buy up a major

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Speaker 1: utility here in central Indiana. So what people are telling

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Speaker 1: Braun to say is that we're gonna do the bare minimum.

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Speaker 1: We'll put out something that'll look decent in a press release,

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Speaker 1: and then it's going to be largely business as usual

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Speaker 1: at the IEDC. And this is just a little blip

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Speaker 1: in the radar, and our glorified legalized money laundering operation

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Speaker 1: will continue largely largely intact.

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Speaker 2: They keep talking about we'll have transparency going forward after

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Speaker 2: this eight hundred thousand, one hundred and twenty seven page audit.

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Speaker 2: Even in the audit it's talking about anonymous donors. Even

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Speaker 2: in the audit, they're not being completely transparent.

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Speaker 1: Well, and what they're going to say with that is

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Speaker 1: that they're getting rid of the IF that foundation.

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Speaker 2: So for.

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Speaker 1: Many of our longtime listeners will be aware of this.

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Speaker 1: But this is so complex and they did this deliberately.

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Speaker 1: So what what what? There was this foundation that was

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Speaker 1: connect to a nonprofit foundation that was connected to the IEDC,

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Speaker 1: in which people would give money to that foundation and

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Speaker 1: then that foundation would pay for a lot of this

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Speaker 1: like international travel. Well what was revealed, what came out

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Speaker 1: of the foundation is that it was these these utilities

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Speaker 1: that were the many of the mega donors to the

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Speaker 1: foundation because the utilities then were supplying the power to

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Speaker 1: all of these economic development deals. Well, the economic development

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Speaker 1: deals were largely done with taxpayer money, so your taxpayer

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Speaker 1: money was given away to these mega developments, mega corporations,

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Speaker 1: whatever the politicians had, these trips funded by this foundation.

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Speaker 1: The foundation was funded by oftentimes these utilities who were

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Speaker 1: making huge money off of supplying power to these develops,

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Speaker 1: which was raising power rates for everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Eighty six thousand dollars for international race tickets and events,

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Speaker 2: seventy thousand for VIP airport services. You've got seven hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand in hotel stays, including some high end brands. One

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty seven thousand for tax for travel expenses

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Speaker 2: for family members, So donations versus contracts. Of the one

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Speaker 2: hundred and seven entities that donated six million to the IEDF,

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Speaker 2: the foundation forty six later received two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: eight million dollars in state payments or tax credits.

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Speaker 1: That's a heck of an investment plan, in't it case.

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Speaker 2: Well, they set it up to be a slush fund.

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Speaker 2: They set it up so they know how to wiggle

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Speaker 2: around the rules.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's why it's so it shouldn't rage everybody

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Speaker 1: when Braun goes on hammer in Nigel and goes, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, some people be a badly that was

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Speaker 1: before my time. We've learned some lessons. Full transparency. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean? Full transparency? We can trust you as

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Speaker 1: far as we can throw. You see the guy fight

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Speaker 1: fight fight at the property tax rally. So I don't

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Speaker 1: trust a damn word. You have to say, what does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Who's going to put the teeth into this?

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Speaker 1: And why are these people who did this stuff thirty

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Speaker 1: conflicts of interest not being punished? Why are they not

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Speaker 1: being punished?

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Kettle and Casey. It is ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 5: To so it turned out climate change didn't cause the

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Speaker 5: fire in California.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was a twenty nine year old who

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Speaker 2: fled to Florida who did it.

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Speaker 1: Now, this was the I mean, this is a telligibly

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Speaker 1: common occurrence in California where there are various wildfires. This

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Speaker 1: was a massive one, I believe. Was it January or

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Speaker 1: February of this year? It was January first, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you, first of the year. Huge devastation, and of course,

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Speaker 1: the idiot governor out there, Gavin Newsom, comes out and

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Speaker 1: tries to claim that it is caused by climate change

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Speaker 1: and the science deniers, and this is on you and

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Speaker 1: look at the human Of course, Gavin Newsom and his

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Speaker 1: administration did a horrible job of dealing with said fires.

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Speaker 1: And that was as they as we have seen numerous times,

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Speaker 1: and it was a massive story. And now it has

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Speaker 1: come out that that's not true at all, that it

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Speaker 1: was allegedly an arson job. And they got the guy

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Speaker 1: who allegedly did it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was arrested and charged with maliciously starting the

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Speaker 2: Palisades Fire, one of the most destructive fires in LA history.

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Speaker 2: He's charged with destruction of property by means of fire,

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Speaker 2: it's a federal offense, and if he is convicted, he

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Speaker 2: faces a mandatory minimum sentence of five years with a

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Speaker 2: maximum of twenty years in prison. So, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: the fires started shortly after midnight on January first of

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Speaker 2: this year, and the area is still not back together.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, months later, ten months later. And he

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Speaker 2: was reportedly working as an uber driver that night, and

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Speaker 2: he allegedly started the fire, and then he called nine

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Speaker 2: to one one a few times, but he was out

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Speaker 2: of range. Somebody else had ended up calling nine one one,

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Speaker 2: and he fled to Florida.

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Speaker 1: And this puts on full display how crazy the left

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Speaker 1: is and how their whole existence centers around trying to

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Speaker 1: politicize everything or do all that they can for political

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Speaker 1: gain at every opportunity in which there was clearly no

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Speaker 1: proof that this was caused by climate change, now appears

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Speaker 1: totally incorrect. And the governor of the state, instead of

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Speaker 1: getting all the facts and getting all the information of

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Speaker 1: spending his time focusing on deploying the proper people and

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Speaker 1: resources to get the thing under control, he sprints out

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Speaker 1: and as fast as he can starts indicting anybody who

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Speaker 1: questions climate change and tries depend this on them and

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Speaker 1: use that for some sort of political points when the

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Speaker 1: reality of it ends up being, according to the authorities,

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Speaker 1: it was some person who hopefully will be severely punished

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Speaker 1: for their actions and had nothing to do with climate

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Speaker 1: change whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have surveillance videos, cell phone data, and also witnesses.

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Speaker 2: Plus they use fire pattern analysis to support the claim

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Speaker 2: that he started it. Now keep in mind that this

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Speaker 2: fire burned thousands of homes, killed twelve people, spread to

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Speaker 2: one hundred miles per hour, and it also involved destruction

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Speaker 2: of federal property a week after it began. So some

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Speaker 2: legal proceedings are going to be happening. He has been

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Speaker 2: detained without bail, all right. The governor is changing his mind.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Oh, he called the arrest an important

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Speaker 2: step towards accountability.

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Speaker 1: Did he say I'm sorry for indicting a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people that had nothing to do with this whatsoever. No,

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Speaker 1: those words come out.

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Speaker 2: He did not say.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: So let's look at Indianapolis. Conde Nast came out with

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Speaker 2: their list, and Conde Nast it's a travel company. They

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Speaker 2: it was a rapper and they ranked things around the

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Speaker 2: world based ones like it does about the new Conde

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Speaker 2: Nast album. They've ranked hotels this time, and four Indiana

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Speaker 2: hotels ranked among the top fifteen hotels in the Midwest.

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Speaker 2: Now they excluded Chicago in this list. Why but I

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Speaker 2: don't pretty Yeah, you'd think, But they have the JW.

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Speaker 2: Marriott at the top of the list, number two, as

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Speaker 2: one of the highest ranked hotels in the entire Midwest.

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Speaker 1: Now the JW. Marriott, of course, right in Indianapolis, directly

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Speaker 1: across the street from Victory Field, where I famously interviewed

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: They also have the Ironworks Hotel, noted for luxury and

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Speaker 2: boutique style charm, the Union Club Hotel at Purdue University,

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Speaker 2: which is part of Marriott's autograph collection, and also the

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Speaker 2: Intercontinental Indianapolis, recognized for upscale amenities and service.

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Speaker 1: It's almost you ever paid to stay in a hotel?

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Speaker 2: I stayed at a what's that?

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 2: Really high end hotel? Chaine?

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Speaker 1: Do I look like somebody who's ever.

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Speaker 2: Been to I'm drawing a blank. Kevin, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: You know Casey's life? What high end hotel did she

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Speaker 1: stay at that one time?

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Speaker 2: Hilton? Is your life? Why I have no idea?

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Speaker 1: What what?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Does? Just stop for a second. Explain to your mind

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Speaker 1: why you thought kevinuse.

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Speaker 2: He travels because you know he travels all the time,

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Speaker 2: just just.

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Speaker 1: To pick pull some random hotel chain out of his

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Speaker 1: butt cheeks? Like what is how would he know that?

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Speaker 2: Where was it? Well? It was in Chicago, but they

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Speaker 2: have locations all over the place. Yeah, I'm drawing a boy,

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Speaker 2: it's not like. No, I can't believe my kid red

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Speaker 2: roof in No. I know Jim is listening right now.

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Speaker 1: Did they leave the light on for you? Did he

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Speaker 1: give us some clues? Didn't have a free breakfast with it?

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Speaker 2: It did? Yeah, it was really nice.

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Speaker 1: Was it the one where you make your own coffee spencer?

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Speaker 2: It was a special occasion. I can't even I can't

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Speaker 2: believe I'm drawing a blake on that four seasons. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't really Wow, Actually I just looked it up.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I found that. Good job, Kevin. You

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Speaker 1: know Casey's life better.

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Speaker 2: Than she does, That's what it was. So Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: was that? That was that was a pricey endeavor?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well lucky you. How about like what three?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Higher?

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00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was around there?

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Speaker 1: What is the bed made of gold.

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Speaker 2: It was nice bet I hope so yeah. By the way,

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Speaker 2: Kanye Nast Traveler. They also ranked the Indianapolis Airport as

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Speaker 2: number four best airport in the country. It is Kennelly Casey.

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Speaker 2: It's ninety three WIBC.