1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: So Indiana Big Ten Men's Basketball Tournament. Dave Repson, I 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: think going to join us tomorrow from the Big Ten 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: network looks like what we know is this Indiana will 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: face the winner of Northwestern and Penn State. 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: That will be their opening game. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: It will take place at six thirty Indianapolis time, roughly 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. And joining us now on the Java House 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: Colbrew Coffee guest line. He is the voice of the 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Indiana Hoosiers. Don Fisher and Don I don't know, you 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: know at this point, I don't know that that was 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: a must win for Indiana in Columbus in order to 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: punch their ticket to the NCAA tournament. That bubble still 13 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: seems that there are several that just refuse to burst 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: their way through it. But clearly I think they could 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: really solidify themselves with a win coming up here in 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: the Big Ten Men's Tournament. But let's go back to 17 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: Columbus a common way in which I ask it to you, 18 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: did that game tell you more about what Ohio State 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: did or the things that Indiana just failed to execute? 20 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: Well, I'd say more than anything else, Indiana failed to execute, 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: especially at the defensive end of the court. They gave 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 3: up ninety points to Ohio State in that ballgame, and 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 3: that's just not acceptable in the sense of your defensive performance. 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,279 Speaker 3: And that's called executing the game plan, so to speak, 25 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: from what the coaches are asking you to do. Because 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: the three point shot went down pretty easily, it seemed 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: like for Ohio State, and they had several guys that 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: knocked them down. Thoaton, of course, becomes the all time 29 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: leading scorer for Ohio State with the three that he 30 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 3: hits just before halftime, and then he proceeds in the 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: second half to do basically the same thing in the 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: second half of another eighteen point performance. He had twenty 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: five for the ballgame, becomes their all time leading scorer 34 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: over Dennis Hopson, who had that record for several years. 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: We may never see anybody else break that record at 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: Ohio State because we are in the world of the 37 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: transfer portal and how many guys are going to stick around, 38 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: how many guys go to the NBA early. All those 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: kinds of things play into If you're great enough to 40 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: score over two thousand points in your career, you're probably 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: not going to be around for for four years at 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: a school. So it's the world we live in right now, Jake. 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: And unfortunately, from Indiana's perspective, they did not play well 44 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 3: enough defensively in that ballgame, and that's what cost them. 45 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: Don We've talked all year long about and I guess 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: this will show that. You know, maybe I'm never happy, 47 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: never pleased, but you know, Lamar Wilkerson to me, truly 48 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: has been a great player for them, and he's a 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: very gifted offensive player obviously, and we've been talking all 50 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: year long about Indiana getting supporting help for him. They 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: had pretty good offensive balance on Saturday in Columbus, yet 52 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: it clearly wasn't enough. And maybe that takes away from 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: Wilkers a little bit. Is there a safety for Indiana? 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: Standpoint with Wilkerson of just saying, you know what, fifteen 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: shots is not enough for this guy. You know, I 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: know that we got to get balanced, but he needs 57 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: to be putting it up at a high volume and 58 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: beat and being a high volume shooter because he's a 59 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: streak guy. Is there a danger in that or are 60 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: we finding out that that might be their best attack? 61 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: Well, here's what I would say about that, Jake, And 62 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 3: and here's the other thing people have to recognize at 63 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: this point in the year, there is a major league 64 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: scouting report on every team in the Big Ten by 65 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: the coaches in this league, and they are going to 66 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: try to take away your best player if they can 67 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: possibly do that, or if they think they can take 68 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: everybody else away, let the best player score at will. 69 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: You got that combination going for you. But the truth 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: of the matter is the defenses have really got much 71 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: stouter with Lebar They put their best guards on him, 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 3: or even a small forward that kind of thing to 73 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 3: try to keep him contained. And they certainly did that 74 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: in the game on Saturday, and he's still gotten double 75 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: figure scoring wise, but he was nowhere near as effective 76 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: as he has been at the three point line, and 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons because what Ohio State did 78 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: defensively on him. So I just think that this Indiana 79 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: basketball team is limited in a number of ways. We 80 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: obviously saw Nick Dorn come into his own for a 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: short time here in the season, and then he's cooled 82 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: off a little bit. Tucker Devreez has had to do 83 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: so many more things this year than probably he has 84 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: ever had to do in his career because of the 85 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: expectations of what he or the reason he can do 86 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,239 Speaker 3: that many things is because he's a coach's kid, smart 87 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 3: enough to do it, and therefore he's responsible for a 88 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 3: lot more things than he ever has been in regard 89 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: to scoring the basketball. So honestly, this team is limited 90 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 3: and that's the biggest issue. And the one thing I 91 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: will say, Jake telling our fan base this, now, what, 92 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: in my opinion, what this coach, Darren de Breeze has 93 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: done with this basketball team this year has been remarkable 94 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: because you've got mid major players on this roster. They're 95 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 3: ninety eight percent mid major players who are playing on 96 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: a basketball league but is one of the toughest in 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: the country to deal with game in and game out. 98 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: And this ball club that really has done I think 99 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: a tremendous job in the sense of being able to 100 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: win some games that most people would have never thought 101 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: they had a chance to win. And honestly, oh go ahead, 102 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Well, I'm just all I'm saying here is 103 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 3: you know, this is a basketball team that still plays 104 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: hard and they still play together. There's no selfishness on 105 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 3: this ball club. But they are mid major players playing 106 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: at the highest level, and that becomes a problem, especially 107 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: as the year wears on and they start to wear 108 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 3: out a little bit. 109 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: One of the things. And you and I talked about 110 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: this last week. Don Fisher is my guest. He's the 111 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: voice of Indiana basketball, of course, and Indiana football. He 112 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: joins me now on the Joba House Colbrew Coffee guest line. 113 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: You and I talked about Ryan Carr. 114 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: I think most people now know Ryan Carr's story that 115 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: went to Indiana manager was working in the executive level 116 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: for the Pacers for twenty plus years. And Ryan loved it. 117 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean Ryan loved and I know Ryan really well. 118 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: Ryan loved everything Don about being a part of the 119 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: Pacers and being in the trenches and building rosters and 120 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: all of that. And when he left to go back 121 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: and take over the job as executive director at Indiana, 122 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: I assumed it was because of his love for Indiana 123 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: University basketball, being in a lum and being a manager 124 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: under Bob Knight. And when I asked Ryan about it 125 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: on a personal phone call, not on the air, but 126 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: I said, so, Ryan, may I assume that you're going 127 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: in there as an hired by Indiana Athletics, regardless of 128 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: who the coach is. You have this job. And he 129 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: said oh, no, no, no. I was hired by Darren 130 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: Devreese Jake because I truly believe in Darren Devrees. I've 131 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: gotten to know him and the character that he has. 132 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: But this guy, Jake is a flat out really good 133 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: coach and I want to be a part of that. 134 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: And for Ryan to take a situation where he had 135 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: everything he wanted for the NBA to go and take 136 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: what would be seen don as a risk in that 137 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: schematic situation of it, that tells me everything I need 138 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: to know right there about Darren de Brees and the 139 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: fact that this guy clearly has people that understand basketball 140 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: for more than I under the understanding that he knows 141 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: how to coach a basketball team, you know what I mean? 142 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: That told me that everything right there. 143 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And I think Ryan is a great get 144 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: for this program. I don't think there's any doubt about that. 145 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: And you're right, Darren Devrees hired him. He was not 146 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: necessarily hired by the athletic department. He's hired by the 147 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: athletic department, as we all know. But the guy who 148 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: wanted him was Darren and I know that Ryan believes 149 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: in what Darren de Brees can bring to the table 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: as a head basketball coach value. And so that's one 151 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: of the reasons right now why I'm a little disturbed 152 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: with our fan base that continues to expect, you know, 153 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: a lot of things that shouldn't be expected at this juncture. 154 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: And when you have to when you have to go 155 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: out and get an entire new roster players and you 156 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 3: have to do it through the transfer portal system, and 157 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: you're looking for the best that you can find and 158 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: still afford, so to speak, you're doing You're doing your best. 159 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: And I think that's exactly what this program has done. 160 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: I think the first year is I knew it was 161 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: going to be problematic in some ways. I thought they 162 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: might win a few more games than they have. But again, 163 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: I think I talked about the limitations that this team 164 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 3: has in that regard, and so I just hope our 165 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: fan base understands your expectations. They are so unrealistic in 166 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: so many ways. And that's the way it's been for 167 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: the last thirty five years because Indiana basketball has not 168 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 3: been what it was under Bob Knight. It's that simple. 169 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: So and even at the end of Night's era, it 170 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 3: was starting to wane a little bit as you know. 171 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 3: So we're looking at the program right now that you know, 172 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: the fan base, at least the older part of the 173 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: fan base, believes this team is still a blue blood 174 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 3: and they're not playing blue blood basketball, let's face it. 175 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 3: And that's why Darren de Breeze was hired, and that's 176 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: why you give him, give him time and still the 177 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: support that this program needs, because when they don't show 178 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: up or they start brewing a player or that kind 179 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: of thing, you're just making a huge mistake. 180 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: Don has a huge mistake. 181 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: Has the blessing of Indiana basketball, and by that I 182 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: mean the wonderful memories in years that you know, people 183 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: of a certain age, I mean my age and older 184 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: can still live off of right, Has that blessing at 185 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: times been a curse for those that are currently dressing 186 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: as Indiana basketball. 187 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt. I mean again, you know, everybody 188 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 3: has expectations. We all want the season to be successful. 189 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: We all want the team to make the NCAA tournament. 190 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: With the roster that was acquired this year. Like I 191 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: said before, these are mid major players that never played 192 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: in the Big Ten Conference or any powerful conference before, 193 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: and it takes its toll as the season goes down 194 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: the wire, and that's what it's done with this team. 195 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: I think it's one of the reasons this team didn't 196 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: flourish here at the end of the season and have 197 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: lost five of the last six ballgames. And that's not 198 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: a knock on the players. These kids came in and 199 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: have given their all and there's not one of them 200 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: on this basketball team that has played quite a few 201 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: minutes this year that I would not congratulate on having 202 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 3: a heck of a season, because I think they've overachieved 203 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 3: in many respects. 204 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about, don you know, in 205 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: the Ohio State game, saw some production that I liked 206 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: out of Reed Bailey, who probably needed to get that 207 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: going a little bit like in a push here towards 208 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: the tournaments. But was that because of something they came 209 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: up with to kind of get Read Bailey going or 210 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: were they just taking advantage of an area that Ohio 211 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: State was giving to them, And so you don't read 212 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: a lot into the fact that he had a nice outing. 213 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 3: Well, here's what I would tell you through this year 214 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: between Sam Alexis and Reed Bailey. One game it would 215 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: be read it was really playing well. The next game 216 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 3: it would be Sam, and they went back and forth, 217 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: back and forth all year long until probably the last 218 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 3: ten to twelve ball games of this season, and Sam 219 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: kind of took over here towards the end. Red I 220 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: think is one of those bigs that he's really a 221 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 3: stretch four, he's not a trough five. And even though 222 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: he's done a nice job in there, you can see 223 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: that he has been a little He's had players that 224 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: takes advantage of some of his weakness. But he's just 225 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 3: a great young man and a kid that plays as 226 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: hard as he possibly can. And he has not played 227 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: his best basketball, although he played a really good ballgame 228 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: against Ohio State, and Sam Alecxi has played wellingtons Ohio State. 229 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: Both of them were in. 230 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 3: The ballgame at one time together, which is a total rarity. 231 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 3: I don't think it's ever happened this year at any 232 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: other time that they had both in the game at 233 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 3: the same time. So that had to do probably a 234 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: little bit with what Ohio State was trying to do defensively. 235 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: Indiana will open up the Big Ten Tournament against either 236 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: Northwestern or Penn State. In your mind, don with the 237 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: way Indiana's playing right now or the areas of which 238 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: they now see themselves in the way they played. Do 239 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: you think that one of those two would be a 240 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: better matchup than the other or is it pretty much 241 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: a draw? 242 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: Well, if you have, if you're asking me who I 243 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: think we can beat, and I would I would say 244 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: it's not a lot, but it would be one that 245 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: I might bet on. I'd rather play Penn State because 246 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: he is lost to Northwestern six straight rhymes, including. 247 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: This Assembly all this time, right, that's the good news. 248 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 3: Well, trust me, it didn't matter if it was in 249 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: Assembly Hall or in Welsh Ryan Arena up in Northwestern. 250 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: Northwestern has had Indiana's number now for the last several 251 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: years now, they've won six in a row over IU. 252 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: And I still think that Indiana should have won that 253 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: ball game against the Cats this season here late in 254 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 3: the year, but they did not, And they got a 255 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: chance to break that curse if they could win this 256 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 3: first ball game, because I think it'll be Northwestern who 257 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: they will end up playing. 258 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: It will be on Wednesday, Wednesday in Chicago, six thirty 259 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: tip local time, and of course you'll hear it on 260 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: our sister station ninety three WIBC. Don a pleasure as 261 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: always man and enjoy this flurry of a run. We'll 262 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: see how many games it is for Indiana. 263 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: Sounds good, Thanks, Jake, appreciate it. 264 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: Don Fisher joining us on the Java House Coldbrew Coffee 265 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: guest line. Joining us now on the Java House Coldbrew 266 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: Coffee Guest Line to go over all of this ton 267 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: to get to with Mike Chappell of CBS four and 268 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine chat. First question, I will ask you 269 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: right out of the box, Alec Pierce agreeing to terms, 270 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: does that tell you that he believes that In fact, 271 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is right around the corner as the next 272 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: to ink a multi year deal. 273 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I won't be surprised that that gets done today tomorrow. 274 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 4: I'm not sure how close they were with the transition tag, 275 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 4: but I think they're close and it you know, again, 276 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 4: what I'm trying to think about what I saw with 277 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 4: Pierce's guaranteed money. It was monster eighty four. Yeah, I 278 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: mean that's what talks. The four years and all that. 279 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 4: It helps with cap numbers and all that, but guaranteed 280 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: money talks. I think that that and that probably had 281 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 4: something to do with Pierce staying is they've been upfronts 282 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: and you know, we're working on this, We're going to 283 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: get it done. So yeah, it was always going to 284 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: be a packaged deal if they could, so good for them. Uh. 285 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 4: And then I saw they traded pitt to pitt to 286 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 4: pitt Good for Pittman, because there was no way they 287 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 4: were going to be able to have Pittman and Pierce 288 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: on the same roster moving forward. It just doesn't work. 289 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 4: So one thing that I maybe we've talked about, and 290 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 4: I still believe this wholeheartedly. They need another receiver. They 291 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 4: need another respec now with Pittman gone, right, well, see, 292 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 4: I yeah, I I Pierce wants to do more. And 293 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 4: he was like fourth on the team with eighty four 294 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: targets or whatever it was, and and he's going to 295 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: get more, but he still needs to he needs to 296 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: be the quality guy, uh, not so much quantity. And 297 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 4: and you know if he if he gets one hundred 298 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 4: and twenty catch or targets, he's not average twenty yards catch. 299 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: He does not, So they need some one else in there. 300 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: Maybe the draft. They've had very good luck with second 301 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: round draft ficks except for ad Mitchell, So I think 302 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 4: that's a that's maybe a possibility. I would probably prefer 303 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: a veteran that you can get relatively cheap, whatever that 304 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: is by today's standards. So they need another receiver, so 305 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: that Piers all of a sudden is see. I never 306 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: really viewed Pittman as a true one. I just didn't, 307 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 4: And right now I don't view Pierce as of one. 308 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: I just don't. He's very very good at elite at 309 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: what he does, but. 310 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: He's more versatile a receiver. 311 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, Chap, But and when I 312 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: say he, I mean Alec Pearce. Alec Pierce is a 313 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: more versatile receiver than he was when he entered the league. 314 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 4: Do you agree with that? No question? And you mentioned two. 315 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 4: Part of the reason that he didn't really emerge early 316 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 4: is that they go back and look if he ever 317 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: break up game tapes from all as look look the 318 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 4: first couple of years, so many times he was white, open, 319 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: white open, deep and either couldn't or wouldn't get the 320 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 4: ball to him. I remember Reggie Wayne talking. He said, yeah, 321 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 4: I got these five these twelve plays where he's open, 322 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 4: and at the time, the quarterbacks didn't have the capabilities 323 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 4: of or the desire to look deep. So yeah, it's 324 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 4: this is again, he's got so much room to grow. 325 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 4: And when you pay a guy. He even said that 326 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 4: when he talked to the one podcast that you know 327 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 4: when when you're paid like that, they want more out 328 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: of you, They step more out of you. And that's 329 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 4: that's the way it is. So yeah, it's uh this 330 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 4: they move on and that's this is the way. This 331 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 4: is the way if you're fortunate draft picks work. You 332 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 4: hit on Pitt and he's pretty good, and then comes 333 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 4: time to resign him, and you resign him and he's 334 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 4: pretty good. And then you you you draft Pierce and 335 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 4: he's pretty good and comes tign to resigning, then you've 336 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 4: got to resign him. And it called. You know, they 337 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: were they were paid for and let's be honest, they 338 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 4: were paid to keep Alli Pierce. But that's what this 339 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 4: time of year is. You'd rather overpay for your own 340 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 4: guys than overpay for somebody who you've seen from afar 341 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 4: and you really don't know as much about. So this 342 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 4: is a good day so far for the Colts, and 343 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 4: they're probably not done. 344 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: Okay, Chap, here's the cynic in me. Okay, yep, I 345 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: want to present to you like a study and then 346 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: I want you, as the professor the dean, if you 347 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: will to grade. 348 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 4: My red marks all over it and correct. 349 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: Here's my thesis. 350 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: My statement simply would be, there is a cautionary tale 351 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: before us. There's a cautionary tale before us of how 352 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: high we do the backflip over the fact that the 353 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Colts have signed and kept Alec Pierce as a free 354 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: agent and prohibited him from going in a free agency 355 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: and doing so by shedding salary, of trading away Michael 356 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: Pittman for a ham sandwich, because in fact, Michael Pittman 357 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: was the last guy we did this with where they 358 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: had to have him. They had to have him. He 359 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: got to resign. Michael Pittman Jr. What's the latest, Tim Pittman. 360 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: They signed Michael Pittman Jr. Hooray, Thank goodness, bring the parade. 361 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: There's a cautionary tail there. 362 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but but they didn't they didn't know we're 363 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 4: paying grossly on Pittman at all. They got him at 364 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 4: a pretty good price at the time because they signed 365 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 4: him before all the receiver contracts went crazy, and they 366 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 4: got good stuff out of Pittman. It's they got a 367 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 4: good career out of Pittman. He tailed off last year, 368 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 4: but he is that he's one of the right places 369 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 4: you talked about, you know, Pittsburgh tough. He is a 370 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 4: tough course as he is. They're one of the teams 371 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 4: that lit him up with that illegal shot. 372 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: Of course, we have no idea who's going to be 373 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: throwing to him. 374 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: But yes, right right, and it's again that was important 375 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: for Peers to have Jones here longer than the transition tag. 376 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 4: But no, this is a this is the way it works. 377 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 4: I'm waiting and we got after out. Check social media, 378 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 4: and it's gonna happen. People are gonna be up in 379 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 4: arms that the Colts paid as much for Aley Pierce 380 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: and they would have been the same ones pissed off 381 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 4: if they didn't resign Alec Pierce. So you can't win. Yeah, 382 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 4: but he's twenty he's gonna be twenty six, and he's 383 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 4: his games. You got so much room to grow. This 384 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 4: is this is not a bad signing. Again, you're you're 385 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: gonna overpay because that's Look, look at all these contracts 386 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 4: coming up today. They're all gonna be overpaid. They are 387 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 4: you just if you're gonna and again, Jim Merseley was 388 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 4: always good at this is you'd overpay for your own 389 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 4: because you know them, you know the good, the bad 390 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 4: and all that stuff. So I thought they got good 391 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 4: mileage pit pits like fifth in franchise history, and catches 392 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 4: I'm like seventh in in yards. Now, the touchdowns were lacking, 393 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 4: but he was as good of a cult when you know, 394 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 4: when they all for out that he's a cult guy, 395 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 4: he's he's a cult Well, yeah, Pittman was, and I 396 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 4: think I think Pierce will be two. So it's just 397 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: the evolution of the position. And they still lacked that guy. 398 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 4: They still lacked Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, and and 399 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 4: on and on those half a dozen guys. Ever, you know, 400 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 4: twenty teams lacked that guy. So what we saw what 401 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 4: we saw last year for the again here we go 402 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 4: again the small sample size of ten games. But when 403 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 4: they had the right pieces in place, they were darn good. 404 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 4: That's why I say they got to find somehow to 405 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 4: replace some of Pitt's targets and what Pitt did underneath 406 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 4: and the tough catches and and and allow Pierce to 407 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 4: sort of be the underneath guy occasionally but still flied 408 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 4: because that's what he does. That's what he does. And 409 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: you know with Tyler Warren and and Josh Downs is 410 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 4: due to kind of bounce back after a quiet year 411 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 4: last year. So yeah, this is you know when they 412 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: told us when when Chris Peller told us at the 413 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 4: combine that Daniel and Aleck are the big pieces, and 414 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: then we feel around, we mold from there that's exactly 415 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 4: the right thing. And that's what they're doing. And like 416 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 4: I said, I won't be surprised at all if they 417 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 4: get Jones done soon and then all of a sudden 418 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 4: you got some cap space. I've not seen what Pierce's 419 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 4: cap number is. It won't be whatever the average of 420 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 4: the contract is it. I've been kind of busy this 421 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: morning because at four years, one hundred and sixteen million, 422 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 4: it's like. 423 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: Four year one fourteen I think was originally what I saw. 424 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 4: So it's about twenty ninety year. His cap number is 425 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: going to be lower initially because because they need it 426 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 4: needs to be. So this is and again, well this 427 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 4: works or not, it is all going to be upon 428 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones. I don't care how expansive Alli Pierce's game 429 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 4: gets to be and all this stuff. If Jones doesn't work, 430 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 4: then it's all it's not gonna work. You know, none 431 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: of it's gonna work. So I applawed him for doing it. 432 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 4: And I know they were catching hell that they didn't 433 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 4: get it done until you know that time, But that 434 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 4: that's when deals get done. That's when a lot of 435 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 4: the guys, the really big deals get done, is when 436 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 4: when you know they tilled you know, deadlines, per actions. 437 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: That's true in everything you do. So good for them, 438 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 4: and you know, I'm sorry to see Pitt go. But 439 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 4: they were gonna they were gonna Cauchem if they couldn't 440 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: trade him. They were gonna cut Zaire Franklin if they 441 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: couldn't trade him. 442 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: Chap when you look at that, Okay, so they trade 443 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 1: Zaire Franklin for a twenty five year old I mean, 444 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: looks to be solid, but not great. 445 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 2: Past rushing started. 446 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: Sixteen started sixteen games for the Packers last year. 447 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: A run stopping not past rushing, but a run stopping 448 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: defensive tackle over Stewart light right, I. 449 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 4: Mean probably more probably more Deforce Buckner type, but yeah. 450 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I'm using light and air quotes there, 451 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: right right, right, right right, But you look at that 452 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junior now is on his way to Pittsburgh. 453 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: Alec Pierce is back in the mix, and we can 454 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: and we know at least for the year unless someone 455 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: comes with an offer that's unbelievable that Daniel Jones is 456 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: going to be your quarterback? Are the Indianapolis Colts right 457 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: now better than they were three months ago? 458 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 4: If I knew who's going to take Pittman's place, I'd say, yes, 459 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 4: what if it's a rookie? Yes, well, yes, yes. 460 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean do they have the money to go out 461 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: and get Pittman's replacement at the level of experience and 462 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: or production of no, no. 463 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: No, no, So it's going to be a guy that, 464 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 4: uh maybe is that I hate to say, that veteran 465 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: guy that will be left over because they've had such 466 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: bad luck with that guy. When Donnie Avery's your best 467 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 4: free agent signing, and that was in twenty twelve, you've 468 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 4: not done a great job with it. So I still 469 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 4: didn't think I have a chance to be better. Now 470 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 4: this is this is this is if Chilnes comes back 471 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 4: come August and he's and he's playing at a decent level, 472 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 4: which they hope. You don't know, so yeah. And in 473 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 4: the defense, yes, because the defense is gonna be better. 474 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: It is. 475 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: You're gonna, you know, knock on wood, you've got you're 476 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 4: gonna have two top line corners, your safety is going 477 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 4: to be here another year, and you're gonna they were 478 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 4: gonna replace they were going to redo the the the linebacker, 479 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 4: and you're apparently gonna get Buckner back. So yes, as 480 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 4: we sit here now, barring injuries or bad rehabs, they 481 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 4: will be better than they were maybe when they were 482 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 4: eight and two. That's a stretch, But I think this 483 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 4: can this can be a playoff challenger. Uh if they 484 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: add a few pieces there and there and in their 485 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 4: important pieces again it's it's it's another receiver. They need 486 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 4: a pass rusher. I hope they clear from this space 487 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 4: and can get a pass rusher. That's the primary need 488 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 4: right now. I'll take a ten sack guy over and 489 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 4: I'd love to I'd love the receiver position kind of 490 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 4: be on the back burner over getting a pass rusher. 491 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: Chap. 492 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: Do you believe that Zaire Franklin was moved A because 493 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: they had to get cap flexible B because they felt 494 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: that line was more important than linebacker or C. Because 495 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: while a really nice guy. They felt like some of 496 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: the off field stuff was too much a distraction. 497 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 4: I would say, d his production had followed off and 498 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 4: he just wasn't a fit in this defense. The distractions 499 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 4: were were just that, and they let him know that 500 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 4: they that those needed to quiet down the cast face. 501 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 4: They created five million, which which is kind of, you know, significant, 502 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 4: but not really because you know, they were going to 503 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: cut Pittman with trading Pittman to create twenty four million 504 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: dollars cast pace. I think more the fact that they 505 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: had gotten about as much out of their second seventh 506 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 4: round draft pick that year and they were. 507 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: Going to move on. 508 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 4: Not because of the distractions and not because of all, 509 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 4: but because he just really didn't fIF you know. Ballert 510 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: told us again he wanted to get younger and faster 511 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 4: in the front seven, and that was part of it. 512 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: Again, Alec Pierce is if you're just joining us. Alec 513 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: Pierce earlier today announced agreeing to a term with the 514 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: Colts four year, one hundred and fourteen million. There are 515 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: some variation of report of what the total guaranteed money is. 516 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: Some say eighty million, some say eighty four That was 517 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: the initial report guaranteed it. Sign of sixty is also 518 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: out there. But either way, Alec Pierce is agreeing to terms. 519 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: And then Daniel Jones walked close. There is not yet 520 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: any report chap to me. Did the Colts I'm going 521 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: to go back to this point. We can say the 522 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: Colts over and I'm using air quotes again that they 523 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 1: overpaid for Alec Pierce. But did they overpay over the 524 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: market value? Because it is my belief and why I 525 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: say it seems as though this is a precursor to 526 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: an inevitable Jones announcement. The reason I say that is 527 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: because Pierce has said that he wants you know that point, right, 528 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: He really Jones was an important aspect. He would have 529 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: gotten this amount of money if he got on the 530 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: open market, right, he might have gotten more. 531 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was That was my whole point about if 532 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 4: he gets a chance to talk to other teams, somebody 533 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 4: probably would have paid thirty million a year. There was 534 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 4: and again the stuff you we do on the internet 535 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 4: now is just so much. It was just garbage. Frisco 536 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 4: was ready to pay thirty million and you don't know that, 537 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 4: but I'm sure that Pierce's agent had a pretty darn 538 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 4: good idea what somebody's going to pay. Now that guaranteed 539 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 4: money might have been quite a bit more than anybody 540 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 4: else would have paid. So no, I again, Jones had 541 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 4: to Piers had to have some idea what was out there. 542 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 4: But I really think all things being equal, and when 543 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 4: you're talking a few million is I don't know if 544 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 4: that's equal or not. I think a player likes to 545 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 4: stay where he is, where you're comfortable. And again he's 546 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 4: got a good relationship with Jones. And again I do 547 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 4: think the fact that that they I think they can 548 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 4: get Jones done. And maybe Chris Bauer said, listen, we're 549 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 4: not that far away. You know, it's our intention. And 550 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 4: if you get Jones done at a more reasonable rate 551 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 4: than the transition tag, you create more camp space. 552 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: Well, and one would assume those two pie talked, right, 553 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm Piers, I mean, you know. 554 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 4: Doubles, I saw that. That's what And one thing to 555 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 4: tell you tell your listeners when you see this legal tampering, 556 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 4: that's just wrong. If it's legal, it's not hampering. It's 557 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 4: a three creation period. 558 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: They ought to just call it the beginning open negotiation, 559 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: right right right. 560 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 4: Tampering is when you're not. Now now, I think tampering 561 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 4: one on the combine. You don't get these deals done 562 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 4: in five minutes after the noon deadline without having some 563 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 4: groundwork late at the Combine or with these teams so 564 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 4: that that's done. The league just hasn't got the the 565 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 4: desire to put an end to I don't know how 566 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 4: you put it into it. 567 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: Like getting a ticket for legal speeding. 568 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 4: Yes, well yeah, right right, yeah, so yeah, it's legal, 569 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 4: so it's not hampering. So please, it's a cute thing 570 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 4: to say, but it's not legal tampering. It's the three 571 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 4: day negotiation period when teams are allowed to approach other players. 572 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: Chapter you were at the Combine, And my understanding is, 573 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: and we never know what these sometimes until well after 574 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: the fact, but I have read or heard at least 575 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: that this is thought to be a decent draft for receivers. 576 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: When you Omar Cooper Junior, the kid out of Lawrence 577 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: North and Indiana, and Elijah Surratt out of Indiana both 578 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: were really good players for Fernanda Mendoza, and we in 579 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: Indiana assume that that means they're going to be really 580 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: good NBA or excuse me, NFL players. But we're also here, 581 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: so we have that bias. What was the narrative within 582 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: the combine? Where do they seemingly slot? And is one 583 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: of those guys, for example, somebody that can give depth 584 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: to Indianapolis. 585 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 4: Omar Cooper probably more higher thought of I think with 586 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 4: a higher ceiling. Whenever I saw sarat It's funny I 587 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 4: saw a mini Michael Pittman, I just did. 588 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: I would agree with that, like a big, tough over 589 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: the middle guy that catches things, but not a breakaway 590 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: guy right right right? 591 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 4: And would they look at one of those guys? I 592 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 4: think I would look at a receiver with that first 593 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 4: pick in the second round whatever it is, in early 594 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 4: in the second round. But both of them are quality players. 595 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 4: And again, if you get a draft pick the second round, 596 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 4: third round, then you can't expect him to be a 597 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 4: fifty catch guy right away. A veteran guy might give 598 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 4: you more. So Yeah, but either one I wouldn't mind 599 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 4: at all. Obviously different, different type of receivers, but both 600 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 4: those guys are going to be really good players in 601 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 4: the NFL. And a lot of times it depends on 602 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 4: where you go, but sometimes you're just good enough, you're 603 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 4: going to be good wherever you are. 604 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: Mike Chapel will have all the coverage CBS four, WXI, 605 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: and Fox fifty nine as well on this busy day 606 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: that inevitably is the entrance into a busy stretch here 607 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: for Chaplin and we will continue to have them on. 608 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: Chap appreciate the time as always, Thank you Mike Chapel 609 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: joining us on the program.