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Speaker 1: Show on ninety three five and one oh seven five

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Speaker 1: The Fan. Good Morning. Welcome in to the Fan Morning

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Speaker 1: Show along with Kevin Bowen, James Boyd, Mark Dyke, and

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Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Rickard. And we've been talking a little bit

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Speaker 1: this morning about the brand new college football playoff rankings

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Speaker 1: and this is the next to last ranking before the

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Speaker 1: college conference championships are going to be played throughout the

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Speaker 1: next six seven days or so. And Kevin Bowen, I

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Speaker 1: know you are not a fan right now. Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: is in. They were passed up a little bit by Alabama,

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Speaker 1: but they are in at this point in time. But

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Speaker 1: you're not a big fan of not only how this

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Speaker 1: thing gets decided, but the folks who make up the committee.

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Speaker 2: I you let me start here, because when you call

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Speaker 2: yourself a Notre Dame fan, people hate you. So people

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Speaker 2: hate me enough for that. So let me clarify. When

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Speaker 2: you lose two games, you're not bowltproof. You guys saw

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Speaker 2: my dejection the Monday after the Texas A and M

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Speaker 2: loss earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: It took you six weeks to get out of that, right.

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Speaker 2: I knew full well that even if you did rattle

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Speaker 2: off ten in a row by an average of thirty points,

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Speaker 2: which Notre Dame has done. Here, we are debating them

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Speaker 2: as the final team in and they deserve it. You

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Speaker 2: scheduled Miami and Texas A and M. You need to

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Speaker 2: beat one of those two if you want to sit

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Speaker 2: here on December third and kick your feet up when

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Speaker 2: it comes to these playoff rankings. Having said that, the

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Speaker 2: fact that the Committee last night explained to us that

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Speaker 2: Alabama jumped Notre Dame because they beat a one SEC

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Speaker 2: win Auburn team by seven points on Saturday, as Notre

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Speaker 2: Dame beat a very similar opponent by thirty on the

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Speaker 2: road made zero sense to me whatsoever. The one win

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Speaker 2: that Auburn has in the SEC is over Arkansas. You

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Speaker 2: know what Notre Dame did Arkansas this year. They won

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Speaker 2: on the road and beat them by forty. So explain

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Speaker 2: that to me. How in the world is the committee

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Speaker 2: putting Alabama over Notre Dame based off what the committee

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Speaker 2: chair said last night, their gritty, gutty win over entering

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Speaker 2: the house crazy Auburn.

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Speaker 3: That was crazy. Again, I'm not a costotball guy, but

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Speaker 3: that was just an insane explanation to me because they're

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Speaker 3: not good and we're we're just putting all that on

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Speaker 3: the iron ball, like all tradition and how things used

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Speaker 2: But if anybody watched that game, Auburn gifted that they

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Speaker 2: had probably seven or eight drops in that game. And

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Speaker 2: I don't play the conspiracy card often. I don't like

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Speaker 2: it at all. But will you guys tell me where

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Speaker 2: the committee chair resides?

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this. I brought this up and form

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Speaker 2: our audience the committee chair, Yes, I brought this. We

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Speaker 2: had the Baylor a d have to exit stage right.

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Speaker 2: And so the new committee chair, it's a member of

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Speaker 2: the Southeastern Conference.

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Speaker 1: That's why I said a little while ago, Southeastern Conference.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's what's going to be really interesting. Reelized. Alabama

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Speaker 1: gonna get in. There's a possibility three loss.

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Speaker 2: Now this is where the debate gets really, really dicey.

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Speaker 2: So if you look at the end of the rankings

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Speaker 2: right now, you have Alabama at nine, Notre Dame at ten,

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Speaker 2: BYU at eleven, Miami at twelve. Notre Dame is the

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Speaker 2: last team in right there at ten. What does championship

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Speaker 2: weekend mean? Can you only move up can you move

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Speaker 2: in the SEC title game and BYU plays Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: If you're a Notre Dame fan, you have to share

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Speaker 2: for Texas Tech right Well, then does that push BYU

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Speaker 2: So does head to head get brought back in after

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Speaker 2: those two teams played in Miami not on neutral field

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Speaker 2: And then does Alabama drop if they lose to Georgia

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Speaker 2: So it's yeah, if you're a Notre Dame fan right now,

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Speaker 3: So do you think they get in right now today?

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Speaker 3: If you have to?

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Speaker 3: I would say bet any money, but gut feeling they

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Speaker 2: In all seriousness, I think even if let's say the

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Speaker 3: Weekend, that's that's the best I was getting it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I think Miami gets next to them,

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Speaker 2: and then and then the committee finally does the head

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Speaker 3: But I think that's kind of crazy.

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Speaker 2: And I'll go back to what I said at the start.

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Speaker 2: When you have two losses, you aren't bowltproof. Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: has made their own bed. But when you look at

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Speaker 2: just go eye test on us Mark. Bring up the

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Speaker 2: national title odds right now, and tell me where Notre

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Speaker 2: eye test game, They're a top ten team. That's where

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Speaker 2: I'm at. Well, there's no debate of the eye tests.

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Speaker 2: There's no debat in the computer rankings. But even if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean which on that.

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Speaker 2: Remember last week we had Matt Weverron from Pigs and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I actually think they're fourth. By the way,

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Speaker 3: That leads me to modyxplo fourth.

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Speaker 2: They're the last team in right now in the fourth

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Speaker 3: I was going to say they're one of the teams

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Speaker 3: all right, nice season, great for you to be joined,

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Speaker 3: I do think that they would be a dark horse

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Speaker 2: I oddly probably feel this team has more potential to

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Speaker 3: You got no, I'm I'm not just with you, but

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Speaker 2: I don't like like, I just don't get the explanation

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Speaker 3: You have a better exersion than that.

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Speaker 2: And tell me that Alabama beating interimad I don't care

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Speaker 2: iron Bull this Iron Bowl, that Notre Dame beat their

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Speaker 1: But on brand, I was a little bit surprised that

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Speaker 1: looks like you'll probably have one of the non power

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Speaker 1: on favorite to get in, but there are crazy things

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Speaker 2: Well, I think Tech Tech would still get in.

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Speaker 3: It would really it would probably just knock Notre Dame out.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's it. I mean, I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm talking about Notre Dame right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you are a I've told Maddie

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Speaker 1: She's banned.

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Speaker 2: She's banned.

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Speaker 1: How'd that go over?

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Speaker 2: You should just seen the look then grab the pillow

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Speaker 1: Now, when those are when those episodes are over, do

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Speaker 1: you guys talk about them like? No, you discussed what

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Speaker 1: just happened and can you believe this and that? No, No,

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Speaker 3: Not at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually looking at some of his numbers right now.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Blake Groupie, former Saints kicker made all of

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Speaker 3: shouldn't be an issue for Sunday. However, he's eighteen of

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Speaker 3: It has had some issues inside of fifty Kevin, which

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Speaker 3: Michael Badge, I just don't think you can keep your

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Speaker 3: The other ones, maybe you don't feel it as much.

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Speaker 3: I mean, hell, you missed two kicks over in Berlin

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Speaker 3: forget about that. That one stung last week. So he's

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Speaker 3: out blake groupy in people yelling at me, James. This

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Speaker 3: Anybody left on the market, and honestly, there's not a

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Speaker 3: it is. So you take what you got. We'll see

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Speaker 3: what he brings to the table and if he can

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Speaker 2: Were surprised to see Justin Tucker's name as a workout.

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Speaker 3: Not at all, not even a little bit I told

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Speaker 3: you where I stood in the first moments of this show.

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Speaker 3: I think that any professional sports team that actually they

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Speaker 3: have an ounce of character is a liar. They will

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Speaker 3: all sign someone who has unsavory characteristics on unsavory past

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Speaker 3: as long as they can perform and play well. The

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Speaker 3: number one reason that Justin Tucker doesn't have a job,

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Speaker 3: years ago with de Shaun Watson. Deshaun Watson got accused

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll say what I said earlier. I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, called he sent missed extra points and excusable, and

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Speaker 3: What do you think that because differ is like your

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and and the Nuggets aren't playing all that

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Speaker 1: Well, you'll be able to hear that one. If you

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Speaker 3: If you're looking for Jeff, he'll be in the nane

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Speaker 1: I forgot about name was a fun guy to watch

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Speaker 2: She looked like a dude that could beat some people up.

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Speaker 2: The tank front. Right now. The lottery odds just sort

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Speaker 2: class looks kind of good next year. It's not like

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Speaker 1: It's not the same in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the teams in the race for that

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Speaker 1: They didn't in his future endeavors in their statement last night.

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Speaker 1: He might be their best player in their history. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: ninety three five seven. Let's check in with our next guest,

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Speaker 1: who joins us this morning, up bright and early in

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Speaker 1: twenty degree weather. I don't know if you're sitting in

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Speaker 1: a car right now, carliner or not, Stephen Holder, but

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us on the pay Less Liquors hotline.

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Speaker 3: Ain't outside here al right, he got heat.

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Speaker 1: You see the sympathy you're getting that big guy.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to going outside as long as possible.

446
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Speaker 3: The man is doing this from the bus stop.

447
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Speaker 1: He ain't outside.

448
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Speaker 5: Well, no I'm not in the car. That will be soon,

449
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Speaker 5: but I'm going to have a remote start. It is

450
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Speaker 5: the best event ever for someone from Florida, let me

451
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Speaker 5: tell you.

452
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Speaker 1: From someone from anywhere, I'll tell you that as well.

453
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Speaker 1: So I'll ask you the same question. What would your

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Speaker 1: your optimism level have been a month ago for the

455
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Speaker 1: Colts as opposed to what it is now.

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Speaker 5: A month ago. I had him winning twelve games a

457
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Speaker 5: month ago, I mean, and I think that was like

458
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Speaker 5: a very realistic prediction. You know, Look, they might still,

459
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Speaker 5: They're not that far away from winning ten or eleven

460
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Speaker 5: now or even But I just think the trajectory is

461
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Speaker 5: such that it makes it hard to be optimistic. And

462
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Speaker 5: it's not as if we're just being negative. I think

463
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Speaker 5: that's the thing to kind of highlight, not just being

464
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Speaker 5: negative for the sake of being negative. I mean, I

465
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Speaker 5: can certainly do that, like, believe me, I'm very accomplished

466
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Speaker 5: at that, But that's not what this is. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think we're we're just watching and reacting to what

468
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Speaker 5: we are seeing, and the injuries are such that it

469
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Speaker 5: does complicate things for them. But I believe the Savarius

470
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Speaker 5: Wards who said this. They do have everything in front

471
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Speaker 5: of them. They have to do the job, but they

472
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Speaker 5: still have everything that they wanted to accomplish. They still

473
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Speaker 5: can technically, but again, do we think they'll actually get there?

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Speaker 2: Stephen, were you surprised to see Justin Tucker's name on

475
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Speaker 2: the Colts trial list yesterday?

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Speaker 5: Not terribly surprised. I mean, I think we know, just

477
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Speaker 5: based on how Michael Badgeley performs that the pickings are slim.

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Speaker 5: That's just what it is. You know, you get the week,

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Speaker 5: what do we week fourteen? And any position when you're

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Speaker 5: talking about the free agents that are available, I mean,

481
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Speaker 5: you're scraping pretty far down in the barrel at that point.

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Speaker 5: And that's just what it is. And I just think

483
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Speaker 5: the Colts didn't have a lot to choose from. It

484
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Speaker 5: doesn't mean they were really inclined to sign him. I

485
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Speaker 5: think the other thing is you want some competition in

486
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Speaker 5: a workout, right, and so he is certainly somebody who

487
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Speaker 5: could provide that. I don't know how close they came

488
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Speaker 5: to signing him. I think the assessment was that he

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Speaker 5: still has something in the tank, because I know a

490
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Speaker 5: lot of people have questioned that me included they felt

491
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Speaker 5: like there was something there, but I just don't know

492
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Speaker 5: if the juice is worth the squeeze. Personally, I'm not

493
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Speaker 5: making a judgment on what he did or didn't do,

494
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Speaker 5: because who the hell knows. But the guy was suspended

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Speaker 5: for ten games after an NFL investigation. They found some reason.

496
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Speaker 5: You would think to do that. Do you really need

497
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Speaker 5: that headache among all the other things you're dealing with,

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Speaker 5: would be my response to that.

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Speaker 1: Steven Holder is joining us now on the Payless Liquors

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Speaker 1: hot line, moving forward now, going into a place that

501
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Speaker 1: has not been kind to this team for the last

502
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Speaker 1: decade twenty fourteen, so last time they were able to

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Speaker 1: get a win in Jacksonville, what makes you make the

504
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Speaker 1: case for it'll be different this time because the Colts.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's thing to do. I can't. I

506
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Speaker 5: don't know if I can. I will say this. The

507
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Speaker 5: case is they're desperate. And I remember earlier this year

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Speaker 5: I was talking to Zire Franklin and I said to him, like,

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Speaker 5: you know this, You've had teams that have kind of

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Speaker 5: gotten off some good starts before in his time here,

511
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Speaker 5: and I think it was Leaven like twenty nineteen, for example,

512
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Speaker 5: he brought up but I think they were five and

513
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Speaker 5: two that year, and you know, so we were using

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Speaker 5: that as an example. I'm like, well, what's going to

515
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Speaker 5: be different this time because you didn't finish the job

516
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Speaker 5: any of those other times. And he's like, you know what,

517
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Speaker 5: last year's team I wouldn't have had I wouldn't have

518
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Speaker 5: had a lot of faith that we would finish the job.

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Speaker 5: He says, I feel like this team is different. And

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Speaker 5: he just said, there's just a different mentality this year. Now,

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Speaker 5: I think, given what's happened in the last four weeks,

522
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Speaker 5: you know, there's a lot of room to question what

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Speaker 5: he said in that conversation, right, but here's a chance

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Speaker 5: to prove it. Go prove it, Okay, tell us, show

525
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Speaker 5: us you're different. This is your chance if they do this.

526
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Speaker 5: That they exercised one demon right in winning in week one,

527
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Speaker 5: which let's not underestimate what sort of an eight hundred

528
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Speaker 5: pound gorilla that was. This is the other one, So

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Speaker 5: go show us, and this would be the win of

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Speaker 5: all wins. To win in Jacksonville under the circumstances, I mean,

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Speaker 5: that would be huge.

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Speaker 3: Let's see Steven looking at the offense. I know a

533
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Speaker 3: lot of the talk has been about Daniel Jones and

534
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Speaker 3: his fractured fibula, and he's playing through it. I happen

535
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Speaker 3: to believe he's not been the number one problem for

536
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Speaker 3: this offense. But when you look at the offense as

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Speaker 3: a whole, why do you think we've seen such a

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Speaker 3: drop off from the juggernaut they were to the first

539
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Speaker 3: eight games of the year. I think it was at

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Speaker 3: like maybe thirty two thirty three points a game to

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Speaker 3: the last four being around I believe like twenty points

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Speaker 3: a game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's a combination of a lot

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Speaker 5: of things. The execution overall needs to be better. The

545
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Speaker 5: wide receivers didn't have a good game on Sunday against Houston.

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Speaker 5: That is unquestionable. Josh Downs, Michael Pittman could have been better.

547
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Speaker 5: Alex Paris I think is probably holding up his end

548
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Speaker 5: of the bargain, But I think overall they needed to

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Speaker 5: be better. I think the offensive line, Look, those were

550
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Speaker 5: some tough matchups, but your censor cannot get bull rushed

551
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Speaker 5: into the quarterback by a defensive end, which literally happened.

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Speaker 5: And it's just one example. Okay, that's just one example

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Speaker 5: of them just getting just killed in individual matchups that

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Speaker 5: that can't happen. The blitzes are a problem. Again. Houston

555
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Speaker 5: doesn't blitz that much. It appears they blitzed a lot

556
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Speaker 5: more in that game. And you know why because they

557
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Speaker 5: have a compromised quarterback. And I think I will take

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Speaker 5: a little bit of disagreement there. I will say this.

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Speaker 5: I think Daniel Jones is doing a great job given

560
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Speaker 5: all of the available evidence and the situation that he

561
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Speaker 5: is in. That is a it's got to be a

562
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Speaker 5: painful injury, okay, but he is compromised. He is, it

563
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Speaker 5: is one true and that is affecting the play calling.

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Speaker 5: He got outside of the pocket one time on Sunday.

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Speaker 5: That is not his game. Part of his game and

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Speaker 5: part of the reason he's here is because he can move,

567
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Speaker 5: and right now he cannot. So you have shame. Ike

568
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Speaker 5: and Jim Bob Couter are working with an abbreviated playbook

569
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Speaker 5: and that's having an effect, even on Jonathan Taylor because

570
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Speaker 5: there's no threat in the RPO. Not that they were

571
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Speaker 5: running quarterback runs anyway, but you at least have to

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Speaker 5: account for him getting outside, throwing on the run, all

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Speaker 5: of those things. It makes it easier for the defense,

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Speaker 5: and I think that is compromising them right now, there

575
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Speaker 5: is no question about it. And the defenses are reacting

576
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Speaker 5: with a lot of pressure and they have to end

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Speaker 5: up with quick throws and those are not very productive.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy, Stephen. I was looking at the

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Speaker 3: game from last week, and if I'm not mistaken, I

580
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Speaker 3: believe Dale Jones, who a couple weeks ago had the

581
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Speaker 3: crazy nineteen yard run on third and twenty one in

582
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Speaker 3: Berlin to help save that game and win that game

583
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Speaker 3: in overtime. Sunday's game, the guy I believe had one

584
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Speaker 3: carry technically for one yard, and I believe it's when

585
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Speaker 3: he fumbled the snap and he dove want it to

586
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Speaker 3: get it back to let you know right there and

587
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Speaker 3: kind of piggybacks off what you were saying about how

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Speaker 3: different he looks compared to how he was a month ago,

589
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Speaker 3: and how the Colts keeps saying there's no restrictions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are, yeah, And I think it's not about

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Speaker 5: you know, how he looks, That's not really the issue.

592
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Speaker 5: I mean, he's he's making do with what he has

593
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Speaker 5: and doing a great job under the circumstances. I think

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Speaker 5: both things can be true, right. I remember tweeting this

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Speaker 5: the other day about some of this topic, and some

596
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Speaker 5: of the responses took offense, and I said, well, I mean,

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Speaker 5: how are you going to bash this guy? He's got

598
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Speaker 5: a broken leg I know that's the point. He got

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Speaker 5: a broken freaking legs and he cannot play the same

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Speaker 5: way like that's the point. Look, he given all the

601
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Speaker 5: pressure they have faced in the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 5: if he were healthy, how do you think he would

603
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Speaker 5: have reacted to that pressure much differently? Right, he would

604
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Speaker 5: have escaped the pocket a lot more. He's not trying

605
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Speaker 5: to escape the pocket. He's just trying to find anybody,

606
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Speaker 5: somebody he can throw the ball to, whether it's complete

607
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Speaker 5: or not, just so he doesn't take the sack. That's

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Speaker 5: what he's doing right now. And in some cases he's

609
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Speaker 5: just throwing a ball in the dirt, which is just

610
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Speaker 5: not Daniel Jones. That's really not what he's trying to

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Speaker 5: do out there. So there's no question if you look

612
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Speaker 5: at it, in his totality, he is compromised. But I

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Speaker 5: don't have an alternative for them because this is what

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Speaker 5: they got. They don't have, They don't have another option.

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Speaker 2: Let's stick there for a second, and I don't want.

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Speaker 5: To hear about Riley Leonard and no offense, KD.

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Speaker 2: Not that you trust me, none, none, none taken as

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Speaker 2: you know full well, you're such a hater. Stephen Holder, ESPN.

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Speaker 5: I love Riley Leonard. I love him as the Scout

620
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Speaker 5: team quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Respective run.

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Speaker 2: There was a reason why he was puking after the

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Speaker 2: opening drive of the Ohio State National title game that

624
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Speaker 2: you can't duplicate that in the NFL. Stephen Holding from

625
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Speaker 2: ESPN with the year payless Slickers hotline, I guess, kind

626
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Speaker 2: of sticking to that general area, I'll throw a little

627
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Speaker 2: hypothetical at you. Better chance we see Sauce Gardner play

628
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Speaker 2: in the month of December or Anton.

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Speaker 1: In the month of the season.

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Speaker 5: I think Sauce Gardner, I just think that there's just

631
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Speaker 5: been no momentum toward getting Anthony Richardson back out there,

632
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Speaker 5: and I guess I'm not surprised. I mean, there was

633
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Speaker 5: always kind of a question about whether he would come back.

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Speaker 5: I think we never got a straight answer on whether

635
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Speaker 5: they expected him back. I mean, I think there was

636
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Speaker 5: hope that they would get him back, but there was

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Speaker 5: really no definitive answer when when we asked that, which

638
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Speaker 5: has been asked many times, right, there has been I

639
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Speaker 5: thought a very specific answer about Sauce. I mean, you know,

640
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Speaker 5: we'll see it's not written in blood. But but I

641
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Speaker 5: do think they seem pretty confident about him and the

642
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Speaker 5: Forest Buckner, for example. I'm interested to see how close

643
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Speaker 5: the Forest Buckner is when we get to practice today,

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Speaker 5: Like is he is he in the mix?

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't still one more game out?

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Speaker 5: Ye, one more week? Right, one more week? But like

647
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Speaker 5: you know, I saw him. I saw him in Kansas City.

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Speaker 5: He was in the locker room in good spirits. He said,

649
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Speaker 5: like he's getting close. You know. He seemed really optimistic then.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know. We'll see, but my point is,

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Speaker 5: I can I can show you very specific feedback we've

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Speaker 5: gotten on him, Sauce, Gardner, et cetera. We have not

653
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Speaker 5: gotten that on Anthony Richardson. And I just think that

654
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Speaker 5: situation is so delicate when you're talking about a facial

655
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Speaker 5: injury of the nature that he had, that I don't

656
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Speaker 5: know if it's worth it, if there's any risk there,

657
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Speaker 5: you know, it's just not worth it.

658
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Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I think you laid that out pretty

659
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: much in the same boat that I would. I will

660
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Speaker 2: note and feel free to if you guys saw otherwise

661
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: in Kansas City. I thought Sunday was the first time

662
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Speaker 2: we've seen Richardson on the sidelines since the injury. Is

663
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Speaker 2: that correct? Did you guys se him in Kansas City?

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Speaker 5: I did not see him in Kansas City. I don't

665
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Speaker 5: know that he's traveled with them at all. So that's

666
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Speaker 5: a good point. You know, we're starting to see him

667
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Speaker 5: around the facility morning and again.

668
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Speaker 2: I'm just bringing that up. I'm not saying he's gotten

669
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Speaker 2: out of practice. I'm just simply saying from a in person,

670
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Speaker 2: we have we have seen him, frankly more than we

671
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Speaker 2: saw him the first whatever two three weeks after the injury.

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Speaker 5: I would say. I think here's why. I think that's

673
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Speaker 5: an important thing to mention though, because for the first

674
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Speaker 5: I don't know, several weeks, we never even saw him. Okay,

675
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Speaker 5: I mean he was like at home to a to

676
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Speaker 5: a large degree, I think because as I as I did,

677
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Speaker 5: I mean I didn't do a lot, but as they

678
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Speaker 5: did a little bit of research on orbital fractures, I mean,

679
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 5: the diagnosis and the recommendations, I should say, the medical

680
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 5: recommendations are like, don't even like lift a heavy box, literally,

681
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 5: you know, because any sort of strenuous effort can can

682
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Speaker 5: have an effect on the injury.

683
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Speaker 3: Don't sneeze, I mean, isn't that one.

684
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Speaker 5: Of those Yeah, don't sneeze. Yes, cough, don't cough too hard.

685
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 5: That's literally part of the actual medical recommendations when you

686
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Speaker 5: have an orbital fracture. So I want people to understand

687
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Speaker 5: just how severe in a situation that is. Yeah, I

688
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Speaker 5: don't think. I don't think we'll see him again.

689
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Speaker 4: Man.

690
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Speaker 1: From pregame collisions to rubber bands breaking off in a

691
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Speaker 1: weight room. Man, I hope that's not the kind of

692
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Speaker 1: stuff that defines this could season when it's all said and.

693
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Speaker 5: Done, Steven, I mean, Lizen, what a year though? Think

694
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Speaker 5: about it, right, I mean that you've got the Shavarius

695
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 5: Ward in his situation. You've got Daniel Jones is rolling

696
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 5: having a Peyton Manning like season statistically, and then he

697
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 5: has a broken fibuler because how I don't know. I mean,

698
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 5: it's just one thing after another. Deforce Buckner's hurt. You

699
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 5: trade for Sauce Gardner two games in he does this.

700
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Speaker 5: I mean they haven't gotten any breaks. I will give

701
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Speaker 5: them that. They're not the only team with injuries. That

702
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 5: is very clear. Joe Burrow and the Bengals could tell

703
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 5: you all about. But I mean for all of that

704
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 5: to happen this year, of all years, it hurts, There's

705
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Speaker 5: no question about it.

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Speaker 1: Steven, stay warm, have a good day. We'll talk to

707
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Speaker 1: you again soon. I know these two guys will see

708
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Speaker 1: a little bit later on today, but I'll run into

709
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Speaker 1: you in a press box somewhere.

710
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 5: All right, I'm starting to remote start right now.

711
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Speaker 1: Good morning. We're here to keep you as warm as

712
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Speaker 1: we can throughout the day here, and if nothing else,

713
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: maybe we'll be your remote start, Kevin. We'll get you

714
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Speaker 1: all warm and fuzzy for a great weekend of sports

715
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Speaker 1: coming up. On Saturday. You've got, of course, Louisville and

716
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: Indiana basketball over at the field House, and then later

717
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Speaker 1: on the night Big Ten Conference Championship football game between

718
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Speaker 1: Ohio State and the Indiana, the number one and two

719
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: ranked teams in America. Right now, I'm here to tell

720
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Speaker 1: us more about how that all came together. The senior

721
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Speaker 1: director of Marketing and Communications for the Indiana Sports Cort

722
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Speaker 1: Dan Gliat joining us here on the pay Less Liquors Hotline.

723
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Speaker 1: Good morning, Dan, it sounds like you guys are going

724
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Speaker 1: to be busy all week long.

725
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Speaker 6: Good morning, Thanks for having me on.

726
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: It is a busy week in a long line of

727
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: busy weeks we have had here.

728
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Speaker 6: At the sports scene in Indianapolis. But we're excited for it.

729
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Speaker 2: Dan, Appreciate you, boy, but I'm choked up just thinking

730
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Speaker 2: about it. Appreciate you joining us. Okay, let let's get

731
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Speaker 2: fans set for Saturday. Obviously, we've got two o'clock over

732
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Speaker 2: Game Bridge, as Jeff said, and then I forget the

733
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Speaker 2: exact kick time. I want to say eight o'clock over

734
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Speaker 2: at Lucas Oil in between games. Anything from a fan

735
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Speaker 2: fest standpoint, I think a convention center usually has some

736
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Speaker 2: activation stuff, So downtown wise, what could fans be looking for.

737
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're super excited to host a big Camp Big

738
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 6: ten fan fest presented by Doctor Pepper once again inside

739
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Speaker 6: the Indiana Convention Center.

740
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Speaker 4: It's going to be so much fun there.

741
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 6: If you've been downtown for the Big ten fan fests,

742
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 6: you've seen this, but it's brand new this year. Once again,

743
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 6: we're gonna have tons of activations inside there.

744
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 4: If you want to run the forty yard dash, if you.

745
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Speaker 6: Want to play some video games, do you want to

746
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 6: do some diving catches.

747
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: If you want to kick some field goals. This is

748
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 4: the place to be to get excited.

749
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Speaker 6: You know, if you're going to that IU Louisville game,

750
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,959
Speaker 6: come right over after that. If you're just getting ready

751
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 6: for the big game. If you've got a ticket in there.

752
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 6: If you do have a ticket to the Big Ten

753
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 6: Football Championship game, you have free.

754
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 4: Access into fantests.

755
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 6: You actually got to send a separate ticket for that.

756
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 6: But if you don't have a ticket into the game,

757
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 6: tickets started just sixteen dollars, ten dollars for kids into

758
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 6: and under his free so really affordable, spans, friendly atmosphere.

759
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Speaker 6: It's going to be so much fun inside the Convention Center.

760
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Speaker 2: Dan, I don't remember last time a sporting event I've

761
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: been asked more about tickets to the actual game here

762
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: in our city than Saturday nights. I am curious, you know,

763
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Speaker 2: do you know like how tickets get divided up? You

764
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: know how many I guess did Indiana get, how many

765
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Speaker 2: of Ohio State get? How does that work for the

766
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Speaker 2: Big Ten championship.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's a little bit different every single year,

768
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Speaker 6: and the Big Ten is the ones that handle those.

769
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 6: I know, like the teams get a certain amount each year,

770
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Speaker 6: and how those are divided up, I'm not exactly sure,

771
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 6: but like I said, this might be the hottest ticking

772
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Speaker 6: in town right now for this game. I mean, it's

773
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Speaker 6: one versus two. It's IU. Ohio State hasn't been here

774
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 6: in a couple of years. They finally got over that

775
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 6: hump against Michigan in one of the big games on Saturday.

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Speaker 6: So we're just really excited to have just such a

777
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 6: huge crowd. We're excited for the town to literally be

778
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 6: painted red. I know that's a metaphors sometimes, but I

779
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 6: expect so much red downtown on Saturday between the IU

780
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 6: and Louisville basketball game and then Ohio State IU for

781
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 6: the football game.

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Speaker 1: We're doing anything with the streets. We're going to rename

783
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: all the streets like Signetti Way or Mendoza Boulevard or

784
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: anything like that this weekend.

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Speaker 6: I jove downtown today and I saw a couple of

786
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 6: the signs are up right now, the streets signs are up.

787
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 6: I'm looking over at Lukasho stadium and the signage is

788
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 6: going up right now on the north side of the stadium,

789
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 6: so all that street signage, all that stuff that we're

790
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 6: used to seeing the airport. I just want to shout

791
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 6: out our friends at the airport for everyone that's going

792
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 6: to be flying in for this game, and hopefully everyone

793
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 6: can do it safely with the weather. But they've had

794
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 6: signage up for the last couple of weeks right now

795
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 6: and things like that, so the city is going to

796
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 6: be decked out ready for this game.

797
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Speaker 3: So Dan as someone who is so envious of what's

798
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Speaker 3: going to happen this week, and I have to travel

799
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Speaker 3: for the Coles game, and if you can petition the

800
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: league to have the Cold slip their road game in

801
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: Jacksonville to a home game so I could be here

802
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: Saturday for all the festivities by all means, you know,

803
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Speaker 3: do that for me. But in all seriousness, when you're

804
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: looking at like logistically what you all have to do

805
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: and plan for, how much planning, pre planning goes into

806
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: this and how much I don't know if it's post

807
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: playing is the right word, but how much does it

808
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: shift when you know you're going to get an influx

809
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: of IU fans.

810
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Speaker 6: I mean, the Big Ten has been such great partners,

811
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 6: and we love to say here in Indianapolis that we

812
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 6: are been the only ones that ever host this game.

813
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 6: The Big Ten Football Championship Game has only ever been

814
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 6: hosted in Lucas Oil Stadium, and I think it's because

815
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 6: we worked so hard on that pre planning process. I mean,

816
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 6: we've been talking with the Big Ten four months about

817
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 6: all the different iterations and how we want to.

818
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: Make this game better.

819
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Speaker 6: We don't just rest on our laurels, even though we've

820
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 6: hosted this game for a long time, for fifteen years now,

821
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 6: we really try to make it better for the student athletes,

822
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 6: for the coaches, for the fans every single year. So

823
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 6: that planning happens months in advance, and we've been looking

824
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 6: at the standings just like every other fan, and we've

825
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 6: been looking at a possible IU games here, and we've

826
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 6: been thinking about how to make this better, how to

827
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 6: make this for fans coming in. We've also been thinking

828
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 6: about the Ohio State fans. Is the first time that

829
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 6: they've possibly been here for five years, so they haven't

830
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 6: been here for a while, so how do we.

831
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Speaker 4: Make this experience for them better?

832
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 6: And then we'll talk about that after the game, as

833
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 6: well as how do we do it next year in

834
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 6: the year after to continue to make this the best experience.

835
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 6: We put ourselves out there as the best host city.

836
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: In the country. This is one of those marquee.

837
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 6: Weekends every single year you can market down that Indianapolis

838
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 6: is hosting it and we want to put on the

839
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 6: best experience possible for everyone involved.

840
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Speaker 1: Well, you guys always put on a great experience. There's

841
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: so much great stuff that's been here in the last

842
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: several years, dating all the way back to the Super

843
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Bowl and All Star our Games and Championship Games, National Championship,

844
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Speaker 1: you name it, Final Fours, it's what we do here.

845
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: Of all those things, I still think one of the

846
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: most fun things we've done, my wife and I went

847
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: to the Olympic Trials two years ago when you put

848
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: a pool at Lucas Oil Stadium. I know we've got

849
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: more stuff like that coming up. What are some of

850
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: the other big events on the horizon that we need

851
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: to keep on our radar.

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00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, in a couple of weeks, you know, I know

853
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 6: some of the Boilermaker fans probably aren't loving all the Iutah,

854
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 6: but in two weeks we were hosting the Indie Classic

855
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 6: presented by Bush's Chili Beans over at Gambridge Fieldhouse. That's

856
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 6: a college basketball doubleheader that's Purdue versus Auburn and then

857
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: Butler versus Northwestern. That's in a couple of saturdays over

858
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 6: at Gambridge. And then we are constantly working on the

859
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 6: Men's Final Four coming here in the spring. We're also

860
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 6: hosting a Big Ten Women's basketball Championship that'll be in March.

861
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Speaker 4: But we're really.

862
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 6: Focused on a lot of basketball events coming up here.

863
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 6: And there's no better state than city to host college

864
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 6: basketball in Indiana and Indianapolis.

865
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: Who are really looking forward to that.

866
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 6: But all our eyes once we get through this big

867
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 6: weekend are going to be focused on college basketball and

868
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 6: we're really excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good. Thanks for joining us this morning, Dan, We

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. Good luck this weekend, and let's see what happens. Man,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun one and two

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Speaker 1: at the Big Ten Tournament or Big Ten Football Championship.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: Hey, appreciate the time, guys. Love what you guys do.

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Speaker 5: Keep it up.