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Speaker 1: So here we are. It is Championship Monday in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: What a glorious day it would have helped. I'll be

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Speaker 1: picky if it had been this way over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: in a while we mentioned something on this show that

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Speaker 1: I'm sure in the moment people hear it and think

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Speaker 1: like conspiracy theory, overthought whatever, I get it, all those things.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was totally a factor, but I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna claim it to be just because we talked about it.

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Speaker 1: The best three point shooting team in the final four,

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Speaker 1: Arizona shot around the same percentage over the course of

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Speaker 1: but I will forever be convinced, even though I know

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Speaker 1: we talked to Mike the coursin he said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: and shooter shooters and shooting teams are not in totality

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Speaker 1: of game, but at outset of games they are thrown

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Speaker 1: lore would dismiss my theory because in nineteen ninety two

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Speaker 1: allegedly after warm ups the game where Todd Leary said

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Speaker 1: That was in ninety three when they played the first

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Speaker 1: Stu Douglass from right here in central Indiana, started seventy

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Speaker 3: You just like the Yukon Huskies. That's right, well in

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Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. Yesterday somebody used the word serendipity to me.

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Speaker 1: This is our best. We're putting forth our best. If

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Speaker 3: They were competitive for three quarters and then Donovan Mitchell said,

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Speaker 3: Right, I think they're good in terms of that. Didn't

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Speaker 1: Big trade today, Right, Yeah, Angel.

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Speaker 1: I mean that will and no question be in one

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Speaker 1: shining moment. Stu Douglas, by the way, for Michigan, he

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Speaker 1: was in one shining moment. He's going to join us

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Speaker 1: later in the program. But whenever you have a championship

435
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Speaker 1: game where there seemingly is one team that you're like,

436
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Speaker 1: this is the last step of a FATA complete destiny.

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Speaker 1: Now we have seen dominant, prohibitive favorites get beat in

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Speaker 1: the final four. You know, Kentucky here losing to Wisconsin

439
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Speaker 1: was a I mean major right, UNLV losing here to

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00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: Duke was major. I mean those were big time upsets.

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Speaker 1: We've seen teams that were clearly the best team over

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Speaker 1: the course of the season get beat in the sweet

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Speaker 1: sixteen ninety seven Kansas comes to mind. They were unbelievable

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Speaker 1: and they were upset by Rhode Island. Actually that ninety

445
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Speaker 1: seven was upset by Arizona. My apologies. It was a

446
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Speaker 1: year before I believe they lost to Rhode Island. But

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Speaker 1: either way, but then, when you think about championship games,

448
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Speaker 1: more often than not, especially of late the teams that

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Speaker 1: win the national Championship look and for the most part

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Speaker 1: say it was they just came together at the right time.

451
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Speaker 1: Florida a year ago, Florida really jelled, they weren't. Not

452
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Speaker 1: a lot was talked about with them, But going into

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Speaker 1: the tournament, I mean, there was certainly the narrative of

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Speaker 1: Florida is as good as anybody. And you know Connecticut

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Speaker 1: with the Connecticut team with Danny Hurley that beat Purdue

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Speaker 1: for example, you know Purdue was really good and you

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Speaker 1: almost Zach Edy was so dominant. Yet that team for

458
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Speaker 1: Connecticut was just a buzzsaw, just an absolute buzzsaw. Baylor

459
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Speaker 1: and that was the COVID year, So it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a weird one to talk about because there was so

461
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Speaker 1: much other distraction with that. But that Baylor team only

462
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Speaker 1: had two losses, but they were going up against Gonzaga,

463
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Speaker 1: who was trying to go perfect. So I guess you

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Speaker 1: would say that that Gonzaga was the PREEMPTI favorite. But

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Speaker 1: I go back to and I love the Final Four,

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Speaker 1: and I love back when they used to do the

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Speaker 1: ESPN little vignettes looking back at the Final Four, and

468
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Speaker 1: a lot of it was on old film and really

469
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Speaker 1: looks old when you watch it now. And those were

470
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Speaker 1: always little time fillers on ESPN. When you got home

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Speaker 1: from school at four o'clock in the afternoon in January,

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Speaker 1: you know you'd watch one of those final four ones.

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Speaker 1: But I think about years of the past were going

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Speaker 1: into the championship game, it was a foregone conclusion, which

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people, I think tonight they may

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Speaker 1: think that about Michigan because of the way that Michigan

477
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Speaker 1: absolutely blitzed through Arizona. And I realized that Michigan has

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Speaker 1: health status of their best player, but so too does

479
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Speaker 1: Connecticut have a key player hurt. But let's go back

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Speaker 1: to the FI Slam a Jama. My Slam a Jama

481
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: was so good, so dominant, so revolutionary, and they had

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Speaker 1: yet to win it. It seemed as though it was

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Speaker 1: going to be their turn. And in eighty three in

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Speaker 1: the pit and Albuquerque, they go up against North Carolina State,

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Speaker 1: who everybody knows the story of the story of North

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Speaker 1: Carolina State. And I was a kid at the time,

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Speaker 1: and I still recall at Little league baseball practice all

488
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Speaker 1: of us talking about what a total blowout was going

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Speaker 1: to be and whether or not our parents were even

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Speaker 1: going to let us stay up late enough to watch

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Speaker 1: the game, which was tipping off at nine pm because

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Speaker 1: it was in Albuquerque, eight fifty tip tonight, by the way,

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Speaker 1: And virtually all of us were like, my parents aren't

494
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Speaker 1: even gonna let me stay up because it's it's going

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Speaker 1: to be such a blowout. There's no way that North

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Speaker 1: Carolina State can win. In nineteen eighty five, the dynasty

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Speaker 1: was Georgetown. They had won in eighty four, they'd been

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Speaker 1: to the Final four in eighty two. Patrick Ewing was

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Speaker 1: the greatest center in twenty five years and John Thompson

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Speaker 1: and Georgetown was absolutely loaded, and they were going up

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Speaker 1: against Villanova, who they had played to a close game

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Speaker 1: in the regular Big East season. But Villanova was happy

503
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Speaker 1: to be there in Lexington. They were happy to be there,

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Speaker 1: not unlike how happy Kansas was in eighty eight in

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Speaker 1: Kemper Arena with Danny and the Miracles. And that eighty

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Speaker 1: eight Kansas team that you know. Indiana was twenty six

507
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Speaker 1: and nine in nineteen eighty one, and at that time

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Speaker 1: that was the highest number of losses in NCAA tournament

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Speaker 1: history for a national champion. And then along comes Kansas

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Speaker 1: with eleven losses. In eighty eight, Danny Manning is by

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Speaker 1: far the best player in college basketball, but they were

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Speaker 1: again an underdog story. Just to get they had to

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Speaker 1: upset their rival Kansas State in the Elite eight after

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Speaker 1: Kansas State had knocked out top seed to Purdue just

515
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Speaker 1: to win the region. They get to the Final Four,

516
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Speaker 1: which was in Kansas City. That helps, and they end

517
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Speaker 1: up playing Oklahoma. There's familiarity there, but Oklahoma was the

518
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Speaker 1: preemptive favorite. Stacy King and Mookie blaylock A team was

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Speaker 1: loaded loaded, not unlike the Fab Five, the Fab five

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Speaker 1: and ninety three. How good was the Fab five? How

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Speaker 1: culturally relevant was the Fab five? How groundbreaking was it?

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Speaker 1: So much so that now the Fab five is doing

523
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Speaker 1: their own alt cast at the Final Four on what

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Speaker 1: isn't even necessarily an anniversary year for them. It's twenty

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Speaker 1: five or thirty five years since they graduated from high school.

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Speaker 1: I guess I know that because they're my class. But

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Speaker 1: in ninety two they went to the finals, got blown

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Speaker 1: out by Duke ninety three, they come back and even

529
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Speaker 1: though North Carolina was really good, and even though everybody

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Speaker 1: and their brother knows that Indiana wins it that year

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Speaker 1: if Henderson doesn't get hurt. Nothing against Allan Henderson, but

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that Indiana was stacked. But going into it,

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Speaker 1: there was no question that it was going to be

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Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion that Chris Webber and Michigan would win

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Speaker 1: the national title because the Fab five was the Fab five.

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Speaker 1: And then you had, even though they were a really

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Speaker 1: good team, Baylor was going into a national championship game

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Speaker 1: in twenty one against Gonzaga where Gonzaga was. They had

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Speaker 1: been around, We knew of Gonzaga, we knew of the

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Speaker 1: history of Gonzaga. We knew that they were trying to

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Speaker 1: go undefeated. And yes, there was no crowd there. It

542
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Speaker 1: was kind of a weird tournament in general, but those

543
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Speaker 1: are all games that give you precedent of what it's

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Speaker 1: like when you have one team that is the preemptive

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Speaker 1: favorite over the others, and yet the audio of it

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Speaker 1: tells a different story. It's now the seven seconds.

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Speaker 5: You see the time Wittenberg on the long reason Jackson

548
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Speaker 5: and there are just five seconds left.

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Speaker 1: There will be no dynasty. Philanova has done it. Weber

550
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Speaker 1: brings it into the front court.

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Speaker 6: They have no timeouts for Julia since the technical found

552
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Speaker 6: he called.

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00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: The time out. Michigan doesn't have any folks.

554
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: Trouve and Bivor complete college basketball's greatest rebound and rebuild with.

555
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Speaker 1: A championship, Kansas also winning over Oklahoma in nineteen eighty

556
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Speaker 1: eight with Danny and the Miracles. So the team that

557
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: you think is going to win, it doesn't always work

558
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: that way. And that's why we watch the games. And

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Speaker 1: I do think not just because I picked him at

560
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: the beginning of the tournament, but Danny Hurley. I don't

561
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Speaker 1: think you can rule out the precisive game plan that

562
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: Danny Hurley and Connecticut might be able to come up with.

563
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing that when I look at it,

564
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Speaker 1: I think Michigan, if both teams play their game, then

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Speaker 1: you would have to give advantage Michigan because they have

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Speaker 1: been the better team in totality over the course of

567
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Speaker 1: the year. And I think the world of Dusty May

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Speaker 1: and some of the things and the wrinkles he's been

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Speaker 1: able to put in for Michigan. But Danny Hurley's an

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Speaker 1: odd dude, and Danny Hurry is at times a kind

571
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Speaker 1: of overwhelmingly overbearing dude, and he seems like an odd

572
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: duck but players seem to like him, and the reality

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Speaker 1: is that I do think if I had to pick

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Speaker 1: one of the two to come up with a game

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Speaker 1: plan for me and then know what buttons to push

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Speaker 1: for his team to get them in the right direction,

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Speaker 1: I probably would go with Hurley. Now, Dusty May would

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Speaker 1: be in the top five guys in the country, i'd

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Speaker 1: go with, But Hurley is one of the few that

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Speaker 1: I would put in front of him. So I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a very good game tonight. Now

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Speaker 1: I say that and watch Michigan may come out in

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Speaker 1: that because Michigan when they're playing at a high level

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Speaker 1: like we saw at the outset against Arizona, I mean,

585
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: good night. So which fan base was it that got

586
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: the one thumbs down out of the four when it

587
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: comes to somebody from the hospitality industry, I'm not saying,

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Speaker 1: and I'm saying this very tongue in cheek, not saying

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Speaker 1: they're bad people. But I'll I'll tell you which fan

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Speaker 1: base it was. And Dave Revson Big ten Network going

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Speaker 1: to join us now about nineteen minutes from now. By

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Speaker 1: the way, in addition to the National Championship game being

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Speaker 1: settled tonight, it's big time. Also in our numbers game.

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Speaker 1: You know who this comes down to, right, Well, Yukon

595
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: for sure.

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Speaker 3: In Michigan, Yes, we got Brent, Brent who is represented

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Speaker 3: by the Huskies of Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: And Colleen who has Michigan. Now Gary already received his

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Speaker 1: Texas hat. He of course a winner because Texas the

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Speaker 1: double digit seed to advance the furthest and he received

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Speaker 1: his hat. Thanked me for it. I told him to

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Speaker 1: just be mindful of the paparazzi and the conversation piece

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 3: They can now put to ban all the allegations of

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Speaker 3: me leaking numbers to Alex because he's not winning it

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. Who did Alec? Do we know? Kansas? I

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00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: just looked. I mean, that was not a terrible call. Well,

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Speaker 1: it sound like you got to pick the school. Now

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Speaker 1: Drew had I'm saying number call. Drew had Prairie View

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Speaker 1: A and m Drew, I have your Prairie View hat.

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Speaker 1: They were blown out by the largest margin and less.

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Speaker 1: The National Championship game is a sixty point game, which

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Speaker 1: is probably not going to happen. So Drew, you need

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Speaker 1: to either text me or get a hold of Eddie

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Speaker 1: via the two nine ten seventy number to give us

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Speaker 1: your contact information so we can get you the Prairieview

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00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: A and M hat. Now, do you think what are

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Speaker 1: the odds right now that either Colleen or Brent are

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Speaker 1: listening that have Michigan and Connecticut, Because what's on the

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Speaker 1: line for them is a hat of the school that wins.

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Speaker 1: Think about that. I mean, you're the envy of all

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Speaker 1: your friends everywhere you go. Gary, Gary's going to be

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Speaker 1: walking around strutting around East side of Indy. He's got

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Speaker 1: on his all black baseball cap with the Burt Orange

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00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: longhorn right there in the front, and people say, that's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful hat. I didn't know you're a Texas fan,

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Speaker 1: while I'm not really why are you wearing a Texas hat? Then? Gary,

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Speaker 1: if you're not a Texas fan, well thank you for asking.

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Speaker 1: This hat is the major award that I won on

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Speaker 1: the Quarrying Company game. The Numbers game this year is

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00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: for Gilay. This is a major award that adorns right

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00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: here on the top of my head and the conversation

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00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: piece that it creates. And then Eddie, what you do

635
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: is people say you also listen to a quarrying company

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00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: and now instant friendship. That's what we do here. That's

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Speaker 1: what we call that. Marketing. Oh no, no, see, but

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00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: marketing would mean that we're doing this for the better

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Speaker 1: of us. I'm not doing this for the better of us.

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00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm doing it for the better of everyone else. You're

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Speaker 1: doing it for the betterment of yourself. No, I'm doing

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00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: it for the betterment of people so that people like

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Speaker 1: Gary can wear the hat. Go out and then on

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00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: a Gary's having a tough day. Gary's working around the house,

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Speaker 1: he's working in the yard. He goes into his shed,

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Speaker 1: realizes that he's missing a critical tool. Needs the tool,

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Speaker 1: got to go to the hardware store. It's rainy out.

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Speaker 1: Gary's not feeling great. He's like, you know what, I'm

649
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: a little tired. Didn't have my coffee this morning, been

650
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Speaker 1: working in the yard. Now, muddy hair doesn't look great.

651
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: But I might see somebody I know, so let me

652
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Speaker 1: grab my ball cap. Puts on his Texas Longhorns hat.

653
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: Gary goes to the hardware store. Just one of these gray,

654
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: dreary days. But he's got on his Texas hat and

655
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Speaker 1: he walks into the hardware store. The conversation ensues and

656
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Speaker 1: the person says, I also, are you Gary.

657
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: You're Gary the Texas Winner. I am Gary the Texas Winner.

658
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: Wow do you do selfies? Now I've warned him about

659
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: the attention this will create. But then he gets to

660
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: the guy says, what brings you in your Texas hat

661
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Speaker 3: to the hardware store? While I was doing some work

662
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: in the yard and I went to my shed and

663
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Speaker 3: I realized that I'm missing my roto tiller.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I have a rototiller. You could borrow the roto

665
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: tiller actually, And then the hardware store says, well, no,

666
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Speaker 1: I want to make some money here. So Gary says,

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00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: you know what, that's so nice of you. Here's what

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Speaker 1: we'll do. I'll buy a rototiller. But I'll also if

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Speaker 1: you want to come over, you can help out. And

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Speaker 1: now that Gary has a new friend, the day perks up.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're doing. We're connecting people here ready

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Speaker 1: this radio show. Okay, we're human LinkedIn is what we are.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do. We connect people. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: collect people. I just go around collect people, bring them

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Speaker 1: together conversation piece. And I'm aware of the fact.

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Speaker 3: That you can collect them together in a few weeks

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Speaker 3: as well. You got twenty four days. Tickets correct, tickets

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Speaker 3: are running, they are going. We have very limited tickets

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Speaker 3: left for the Fan Invitational Golf ounding brought.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're an individual or forsome right.

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Speaker 3: That is right one O seven five thefan dot Com.

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Speaker 3: I believe Matt Taylor is going to be there. Eddie

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Speaker 3: White in his bleached hair, will be there. I think

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Speaker 3: Tucker Bonhart and Drew Storn are making an appearance. Of course,

685
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Speaker 3: the headliners are you, JMV, James Boyd, Kevin Bow and

686
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Speaker 3: Jeff Record. I think Mark Dyton will make an appearance.

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Speaker 1: Right here, Eddie, right here, I'm looking at the expost

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Speaker 1: Twitter from ump guy. Good luck Colleen and tonight's NCAA

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Speaker 1: National Championship game. Yes see guy rooting for Colleen. Because

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00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: we bring people together just like we do on the

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Speaker 1: golf course.

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Speaker 3: To win some Freemazuno clubs. There's going to be other

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00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: things there for a silent auction.

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Speaker 1: One are the silent auction items. I think is going

695
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Speaker 1: to be to come in here and take your place

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Speaker 1: for an hour.

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Speaker 3: It's not like hyperfy much. I'm just saying that's one

698
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Speaker 3: of the things they said. They said, Hey, just out

699
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Speaker 3: of curiosity, are you willing to donate something for the

700
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Speaker 3: Silent Auction to promote Franciscan and I said, well, if

701
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: it helps Franciscan, I'm in for whatever you need.

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00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: What is it And they said, well, we were thinking

703
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: about maybe just having somebody coming in and replacing Eddie Ford.

704
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: I said, yes, yeah, that sounds great. I don't know

705
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: if there's a lot of people that would be willing

706
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: to do that. Oh, if they know that there's a

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00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: potential ball cap like Drew, for example, who hasn't claimed

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00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: his Prairie View A and M hat. Maybe and that's

709
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: a good look at hat, good look at hat. Maybe

710
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: somebody can get Drew's Prairie View hat if he hasn't

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00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: claimed it by the thirtieth Do you want Drew to

712
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: text you at three, one, seven, five eighty eight. Yeah,

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00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: if Drew can do that, that would be wonderful. Okay,

714
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: if Drew can do that, that would be wonderful. But

715
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: what do you see in tonight's game? Do you see

716
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: this as blowout Michigan win?

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00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: I think the X factor and you'll be able to

718
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Speaker 3: tell within the first few minutes of how this game

719
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: will go. Jake, how does solo ball look with that

720
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: foot spring that he's dealing with, and is he out

721
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: there does he look close to you know, his normal self,

722
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 3: or is he out there limping around like Yaxel Lindeborg

723
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: was in the second half of that game against Arizona.

724
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: And it's really I think this is where it comes

725
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: down to for Yukon, and it's pretty simple, is how

726
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 3: many three are they gonna make? Because that is the

727
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 3: way you have to beat Michigan. They dominated Arizona because

728
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: Arizona's not a great three point shooting team.

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00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: Well, and once you got Arizona's not a bad three

730
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: point shooting team, they just don't It's not in their

731
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: It's not on their menu, right, know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: They took the fewest threes amongst any college basketball program

733
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Speaker 3: in the country. But if you can knock down threes

734
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: like Wisconsin did, would they beat Michigan And like Purdue

735
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: did when they beat Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I think that is your your avenue.

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00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: If you're has to have a huge game tonight, Mullins

738
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: solo ball, you gotta have Caravan knocking down some threes.

739
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna have to force Caravan to be

740
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: a jump shooter instead of playing inside, because if Jaxell

741
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: Lindeborg is out there and he's able to kind of

742
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: take away caravan for being able to drive to the basket,

743
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: that's gonna be a problem. The matchup inside tars Ree

744
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: versus Adamarra is going to be must watched. Whoever wins

745
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: that battle probably will have the upper hand of the game.

746
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: But I think if you're really really circling something, it's

747
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 3: the three point shooting for Yukon.

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Speaker 1: Mullins has had a unique ability, and this is the

749
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: sign of a shooter. A shooter is never afraid to

750
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: shoot and can still knock it down if they have

751
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: fallen out of rhythm. And one of the things where

752
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: Danny Hurley gets a ton of credit. I know Danny

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00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: Hurley's a little bit nauseating and man, he seems like

754
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: a weird dude, But Danny Hurley's understanding that shooters have

755
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: to shoot and allowing Braylen Mullins to shoot through I'm

756
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: not going to say slumps, but cold periods and still

757
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: entrusting in him and going to him now the end

758
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: of the game against Duke. It's not like that was

759
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: a design play where they're like okay, rather than like

760
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: you're the guy taking that shot. But also the trust

761
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: that Caravan has as a guy that has the ability tonight,

762
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: the potential tonight, the possibility tonight to become the first

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Speaker 1: player in the history of college basketball to win three

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00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: national championships without wearing a UCLA jersey and a veteran

765
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: like that to be able to pass back to a

766
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: freshman and that moment against Duke. Now, part of that

767
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: is because that was the thing that was open. But

768
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: there still is a trust in an understanding there, and

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00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: Hurley seemingly has that four Mullins, which is a key

770
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: aspect towards Mullins involvement. What about Michigan from their standpoint

771
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: and curveballs, they can make changes, they can make schematically

772
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: if they are not one hundred percent of health. Dave

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00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: Repsen Big Ten Network to talk about that in more

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00:45:54,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: next Orange Crush, great song from ari Em. Of course,

775
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: the Orange Crush one half of the Big Ten representation

776
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: within the final four. They did not advance to the

777
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: National Championship game. The Michigan Wolverines did. That means constant

778
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: coverage on the Big Ten Network. Big Today with Dave

779
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: Rebsen will be on coming up. In just about an hour,

780
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: and then it's plenty of coverage. Michigan at Illinois from

781
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: this year will be replayed at four o'clock, the Journey

782
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: Big Ten Basketball with Michigan at seven o'clock, then the

783
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: National Championship pre game at seven point thirty, getting you

784
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: all set up for things, and there will be postgame

785
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: coverage as well. And Dave Rebsen of the Big Ten

786
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: Network joining us now on the program. Dave, you're locked

787
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: in and ready to go, right I am.

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Speaker 6: If only Rim would have had the four sides to

789
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Speaker 6: do a song called May's Rage.

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Speaker 1: Then we could have doubled dipped.

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Speaker 7: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, you know Oe Crush.

792
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: If you want to get them back together and see

793
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: if they'll do that, good luck.

794
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 6: Right yeah yeah, I'll shoot stipa Texas when we get

795
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 6: off this shield.

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00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: Well and much like, by the way, and before we

797
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: get into it, you advised me to hold off on

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00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: buying my White Sox tickets, right they just tell me, yeah,

799
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: I know, they just swept the Blue Jays in ticket

800
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: prices skyrocketing, and I've been cursing you now for twenty

801
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: four hours. This is the last time I take sound

802
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: financial advice. From you.

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00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm sorry.

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00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 6: I'm sure I caught you. Yeah, maybe fifty cents a ticket.

805
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: I remember when you told me to buy Blockbuster stock

806
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: in ninety nine. You're like Jake go all in. This

807
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: is the wave. Okay, Dave, let's get to this first off.

808
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: In terms of the injury status for tonight, what do

809
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: you anticipate or how how curious are you? I guess

810
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: just about you know Yaxel Lundenborg and the ankle itself,

811
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: and what his availability will be.

812
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 6: Well, in talking to Yaxel on Saturday, he basically told

813
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 6: me and everyone else who talked to him and know

814
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 6: on certain terms that he was going to play and

815
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 6: basically if he could walk, he would play. I saw

816
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 6: him him yesterday from Afar and he could walk. So

817
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 6: it would be really surprised if the axle doesn't at

818
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 6: least give it a go here today. So I whether

819
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 6: he could be one hundred percent, I don't know when

820
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 6: he met That seems a little unlikely, but but we'll see.

821
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 6: And you know, he's still obviously just supremely talented. You

822
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 6: guy's got an injury issue as well. With solo ball.

823
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 6: It sounds like that one maybe a little bit worse,

824
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 6: just kind of from what they're saying. You know, solo

825
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 6: ball was I guess in a boot yesterday and a

826
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 6: little surprising just because he played well, particularly in the

827
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 6: second half against Illinois. Hasn't had a great year as

828
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 6: their two guard, but he certainly looked good against the

829
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 6: Alana So but I guess reaggravated an earlier injury. So

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00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 6: I whether or not those two offset each other, I

831
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 6: think that would be. You know, it's going to depend

832
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 6: on how healthy each guy is. Lendenboorg is more importance

833
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 6: to what Michigan does, I guess in ball is to

834
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 6: what Yukon does. But I would also just say I

835
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 6: think Michigan's get superior depth to what Yukon has. And

836
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 6: I do think that the Wolverines could withstand maybe not

837
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 6: the absence of Lindenborg, but a slightly hobbled Lindenborg. I

838
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 6: think they'd probably still be Okay.

839
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, does Michigan have I'll use it this way, Dave,

840
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: for lack of a better phrase I can come up with,

841
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: do they have a greater versatility of style that they

842
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: can play? In other words, if they have to deviate

843
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: and shift gears, are they pretty dead set on one

844
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: style of play. This is what we do. Try to

845
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: stop it or does Dusty May have a couple of

846
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: different looks that they can present based on who's available

847
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: or who's cooking.

848
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 8: Well.

849
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 6: Dusty May is a tinkerer, as you know, and he

850
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 6: comes up with game plans for each game, some of

851
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 6: them that he reveals afterwards that make their head spin,

852
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 6: including the one against Arizona where they basically said, yeah,

853
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 6: our strategy was to misshots inside the ark and let

854
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 6: our guys go get offensive rebats, like well really okay,

855
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 6: and it worked. So I you know, look, Michigan wants

856
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 6: this to be a fast game, as you know. I

857
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 6: mean that's where they're kind of bread is buttered offensively

858
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 6: in particular. They it's kind of shocking all. I mean,

859
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 6: they just get after you, and before you know it,

860
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 6: you find yourself. Certainly in the NCAA tournament, teams have

861
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 6: come themselves down by significant margins and we you know,

862
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 6: they can just go on. They're a team that can

863
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 6: go on ten fifteen nothing runs and your head just

864
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 6: starts spinning. You guys going to want to play much

865
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 6: more deliberate style. I mean, just give you a sets

866
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 6: in the NCAA tournament, kau has average sixty two possessions

867
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 6: per game. Michigan's averaged about seventy two. So that's a

868
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 6: significant difference. I mean that is that's vast. So you

869
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 6: guys going to want to try to grind it out,

870
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 6: you know, Arizona. I don't understand why Arizona didn't try

871
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 6: to grind it out, more like they were willing to

872
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 6: try to run with Michigan, and I think the world

873
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 6: of Timmy Lloyd. I was really surprised that that was

874
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 6: the approach they took, particular theft to watching Tennessee try

875
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 6: to do the same thing and just getting run off

876
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 6: the core in Chicago. So for whatever reason, that was

877
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 6: the strategy. I don't think any earlier will fall into

878
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 6: that trap. I think he's going to try to sew

879
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 6: it down. I think Michigan can win grinders, but when

880
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 6: you look at the games that they've lost this year,

881
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 6: those have been slower games for every possession has really

882
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 6: been a battle. So I think that's the formula for Yukon.

883
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 6: Where they can get Michigan into that kind of game

884
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 6: is another question.

885
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: I say this not because he is the reigning Indiana

886
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: mister basketball and is from twenty minutes away from where

887
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking right now. But just based on matchups and

888
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: the things you're talking about, Dave, it would seem to

889
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: me for Connecticut that Raylan Mullins could be a huge

890
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: factor for them tonight and maybe even the epicenter factor.

891
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that?

892
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 6: I would say he's really important. You know, Look, he's

893
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 6: a great player. He's going to be an NBA first

894
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 6: round pick. He was fabulous from behind the archy in Illinois,

895
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 6: hit four seven of that game. He hit the most

896
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 6: memorable shot of this tournament in the Allevate against Duke.

897
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 6: I don't think he is their best player right now.

898
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 6: I mean, to me, their most important player is going

899
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 6: to be Taris Reid. He's going to have his hands

900
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 6: full inside dealing with this massive front line of Michigan.

901
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 6: If he doesn't play really well, I don't think Yukon

902
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 6: has any kind of a chance. And then I would

903
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 6: say Alex Caravan to me, is really important. He's going

904
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 6: to have to play far better than he's played in

905
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 6: the last couple of games for the Huskies to have

906
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 6: a chance. Mullens does give them a guy who can

907
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 6: knock down threes. He had not shot the ball all

908
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 6: that well in this NCAA tournament or really at the

909
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 6: end of the season either, but obviously hit the huge

910
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 6: shot against Duke and then was the best we've seen

911
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 6: him in a while against Illinois. I think everyone on

912
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 6: Yukon is going to have to play really well for

913
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 6: them to have a chance, Jake, So I don't mean

914
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 6: to minimize the role of Brayln Mullens. Braylan Mullens alone

915
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 6: cannot beat Michigan. They are just far too good for that.

916
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 6: It is going to take a monumental effort from Yukon.

917
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: Dave Revson is my guest from the Big Ten Network.

918
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: All kinds of Big Ten Network coverage of this game tonight,

919
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: including pre and postgame. Dave, to switch away a little

920
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: bit from this game tonight, I wanted to touch as well

921
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: on two other things that happen over the weekend, and

922
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: you would know better than I on this, so I

923
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: wanted you to be able to either you know, feel

924
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: free to disagree or to add on to what I'm saying.

925
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: I don't know him well. I've only interviewed him once.

926
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: It was on Radio Row when he was at Steven

927
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: f Boston, I believe, but I thought through this tournament,

928
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: and notably after the game in which Illinois loses, you know,

929
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a heartbreak anytime you get that far

930
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: and then you lose Brad Underwood every time that I

931
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: saw him interviewed, and in particular after the game, I

932
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: was watching it thinking to myself, that's a guy that

933
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: I really do want to root for and see good

934
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: things happen in his program, because he just seems like

935
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that you would want your kids

936
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: to play for. And in addition, is a really good

937
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: basketball coach that understands the game and has kind of

938
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: come through the ranks the right way. But that's a

939
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: very peripheral observation, and you would know better than I.

940
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I happen to know Brad pretty well. We're pretty

941
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 6: involved in Coaches Were Cancer together. He's the national chair

942
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 6: of that, and I've gotten involved in that organization of

943
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 6: the last handful of years, and so I've gotten to

944
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 6: spend a lot of time with him. In addition to

945
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 6: obviously covering Illinois, You've read Brad really well. He's just

946
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 6: an excellent guy.

947
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: You know.

948
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 6: I know, obviously every once in a while get after

949
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 6: his guys on the sideline, you just think, man, he's

950
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 6: tough and he is Look, he's a demanding coach. I

951
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 6: think there's any question about his players love him. They

952
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 6: run through a wall for him, and he's really talk

953
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 6: about coming up through the coaching ranks. And I always

954
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 6: I'm fascinated because I think in some ways like their

955
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 6: business parallels our business a little bit, Jake, Like you

956
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 6: kind of pay your dues and then you end up

957
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 6: somewhere that you know you always wanted to be. You know,

958
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 6: in your case, you're in your hometown doing what you

959
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 6: want to do. My case is covering this conference that

960
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 6: I grew up following. But it doesn't just happen overnight.

961
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 6: Ian Brad spent eleven seasons on the bench as an

962
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 6: assistant coach at Western Illinois, and you think about, like,

963
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 6: there have to be moments when you're in year nine

964
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 6: at Western Illinois and you're thinking to yourself, Man, is

965
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 6: this ever happening for me? He was the third oldest

966
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 6: coach ever to make his Final Four debut, so he

967
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 6: really has worked at it. He's a grinder. His thirty

968
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 6: ninth year as a coach, I was delighted to see

969
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 6: him make it, and I think he had an incredible

970
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 6: appreciation for getting to this point. He wishes his team

971
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 6: would have played better. I mean, they just they just

972
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 6: didn't play well. They picked a bad day to have

973
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 6: a bad day. I mean, it really was one of

974
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 6: the worst games they've played this year. For whatever reason.

975
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 6: You know, Yuka's very good. I think that's part of

976
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 6: the reason. But it also just seems like Yukon is

977
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 6: a uniquely bad matchup for them. I mean, Illinois, I

978
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 6: don't know how much you follow the efficiency numbers only

979
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 6: is the most efficient offense this century in terms of

980
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 6: points per possession in college basketball, and Yukon has just

981
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 6: shut them down. I mean two games this year where

982
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 6: Illinois scored under sixty five points that were both against Connecticut.

983
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 6: They just couldn't get it going at all. I'm hopeful

984
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 6: for Brad that he'll be able to get his team

985
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 6: back here at some point, because I would love to

986
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 6: see him kind of get to the top of the mountain.

987
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 6: But it was really cool to see him here, and

988
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 6: I think he appreciated it. I mean when I talked

989
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 6: to him the practice dand and he basically said to me,

990
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 6: I hadn't stopped smiling. I mean, this is just so cool.

991
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 6: I'm so excited. So it really was. It was Neat

992
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 6: and someone who I really really like to see him

993
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 6: have that experience.

994
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, for the Big Ten, you know,

995
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: be remiss if we did not mention a significant win yesterday,

996
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: just the second time that the women's national champion is

997
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: representing the Big Ten conference and for all of the

998
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: talk about Connecticut South Carolina, huge kudos to UCLA for

999
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: And it's still I'm not gonna lie, David still feels

1000
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: weird sometimes, I think representing the Big Ten, but significant

1001
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: for the conference, and notably, I would assume also financially

1002
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: in just in terms of what that means for the

1003
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: conference itself to have a national champion on the women's side.

1004
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I can't necessarily speak to the finances,

1005
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 6: and it's kind of not my area, but I would

1006
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 6: say just in terms of breaking through. You know, we

1007
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 6: talk a lot about the men's side. There hasn't been

1008
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 6: a national champion since two thousand. Hopefully that ends tonight

1009
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 6: with the Michigan win. But yeah, I mean to your point,

1010
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 6: you know, Steph White, that great produce team, the only

1011
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 6: one representing the Big Ten to win an NCAA national championship.

1012
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 6: So for UCLA again last night was great. Corey Close

1013
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 6: is amazing, Like I don't know how much she listened

1014
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 6: to her and kind of gotten the sense for the

1015
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 6: way that she runs her program. She's great. I mean,

1016
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 6: everything about it is first class. Really. She cares about

1017
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 6: her players, and every coach cares about their players, but

1018
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 6: she cares about them kind of in a wholealistic sort

1019
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 6: of way, which I really think is meat and man.

1020
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 6: They were not to be denied yesterday. That was an

1021
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 6: absolute buck kicking. It was pretty amazing performance from start

1022
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 6: to finish. So it's great for the league. I mean,

1023
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 6: you know, you look at having three streight football national

1024
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 6: champions including obviously the Who's Yers, you look at having

1025
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 6: a women's basketball national champion. The last time I believe

1026
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 6: a league had all three was the SEC, I want

1027
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 6: to say, in two thousand and seven. So a chance

1028
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 6: for the Big Ten to do that tonight and to

1029
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 6: put this deal to rest. I mean, you know, I

1030
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 6: think the Big Ten has still been a really good

1031
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 6: basketball league for the last twenty five years, have lost

1032
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 6: eight national championship games in that time. This is the

1033
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 6: best chance tonight. I mean, this is the first time

1034
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 6: the Big Ten team will be considered the overwhelming favorite.

1035
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 6: I think Wisconsin opened is a very slight favorite against

1036
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 6: Duke when they went up in that national championship game.

1037
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 6: Had to add other than that, all the Big Ten

1038
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 6: teams that could consider the underdog, they've all gone against

1039
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 6: one seeds, obviously not going up against the un see tonight,

1040
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 6: So we shall see. But it does feel like it's

1041
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 6: as good time as any for the Big Ten to

1042
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 6: just kind of assess its superiority here.

1043
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,439
Speaker 1: Hey, is Indianapolis treated you okay while you've been here?

1044
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 6: Oh? Man, it's been great. You know, I love coming

1045
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 6: here for championship events. I just think it's great. Everything

1046
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 6: is laid out so perfectly. Everyone here embraces it. It's

1047
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 6: been a ton of fun. It was great to have

1048
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 6: two Big Ten teams. It's been a lot of fun

1049
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 6: to run into fans from all the fan bases who

1050
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 6: want to talk about their teams, you know, from from Millenoland,

1051
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 6: from Michigan, and so yeah, it's been incredible. I hope

1052
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 6: that again it ends with the national title. I'm not

1053
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 6: going to lie. I think it's really important for the

1054
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 6: league to break through here tonight, and I would love

1055
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 6: to be a part of it, because the winning locker

1056
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 6: room is a lot more fun than the losing locker room.

1057
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to lie to you, Dave.

1058
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: I promised Shannon last week. You know, she was all

1059
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: excited for final four weekend of Soaking events, and I said, well,

1060
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: let's not plan anything just yet, because I'm pretty certain

1061
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: Revsen is going to be, you know, texting me and

1062
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: want to see if we to hang out and get

1063
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: together and that kind of thing. And then when it

1064
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: didn't happen, I realized and I think this is it.

1065
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you probably were blowing me up all weekend,

1066
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: but I blocked your number after you gave me that

1067
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: bad White Sox advice, and so I think that's what

1068
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: it was. So my apologies. I'm sure you were asking

1069
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: me on the regular hopefully the guys were able to

1070
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: show you a good time, and I was going to

1071
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: try to be hospitable towards you. Just unblocked you just

1072
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: so you know.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Okay, I was nice. Yeah, I mean all week

1074
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 6: I've been I know, you know, And then when I

1075
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 6: didn't hear from you until you know, what was it

1076
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 6: last night to be on? I mean, I guess I

1077
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 6: was just like, Wow, I guess he's he's kind of

1078
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 6: written me off because the whole white saying well, yeah,

1079
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 6: but okay, I'm glad. So I think it's back.

1080
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: Here in like three years, right, Yeah, So I'll text

1081
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: you then.

1082
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, so why don't we hang out three years?

1083
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds good. Yeah, listen, Dave, I'm gonna be

1084
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: honest with you. It ain't no guarantee I'm even going

1085
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: to be around in three years, right, But we'll see

1086
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 1: what we can do, you know. I mean, the life

1087
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,479
Speaker 1: insurance policies are tough to come by, but I'll see

1088
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: what I can do in terms of making plans that

1089
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: clear on my account. By the way, Dave, in conclusion,

1090
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: you're the only person I know that I think might

1091
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: actually find this cool. And I'm going to tell you something. Now.

1092
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: Keep in mind it's twenty twenty six and I'm doing

1093
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: a sports talk radio show in twenty twenty six. But

1094
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if you find what

1095
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you to be cool, or if

1096
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: you'd say to yourself, yeah, Jake, you might want to

1097
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: update the resume. Okay, So last year, I'm at the

1098
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: IndyCar Race in Long Beach, obviously the Los Angeles area.

1099
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: I completely, by happenstance, end up meeting Christopher Knight, who

1100
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: played Peter Brady of course in The Brady Bunch. Okay,

1101
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: I find out that Christopher Knight was a racing fan,

1102
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: and during the filming of The Brady Bunch was a

1103
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: racing fan, he says to me casually when I meet him. Hey,

1104
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: next year, when you're in town for the race, I'll

1105
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: take you over to the Brady Bunch house and we'll

1106
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: have pork chops and apple sauce. Okay, says it to

1107
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: me flippantly. Now, are you a fan of the Brady

1108
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: Bunch from back in the day?

1109
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 6: I mean everyone was a fan of Okay.

1110
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: I realized you're not exactly binging it on trips now,

1111
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying back then, So.

1112
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 6: Like, what's crazy? Just to interrupt, Like, you know, my kids,

1113
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 6: who are in their twenties, watched the radios like everyone

1114
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 6: still they still watch it.

1115
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,919
Speaker 1: So anyway, go ahead, Okay, So it has to save

1116
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: by the bell. It's so bad. It's good quality about it,

1117
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: for sure. Yes, So this year. Of course, knowing me

1118
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: and I know this will shock you. I go ahead

1119
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: and I get his number and I reach out to him. Hey,

1120
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: wanted to see if the offer still stands, right, wanted

1121
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: to see if the offer still stands to go over

1122
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: to the Brady Bunch House, because you know the house

1123
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: that the Brady Bunch House where they filmed the externals.

1124
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: They they redid it and it's been redone on the

1125
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: inside to replicate.

1126
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 6: Perfectly, just there, like literally within the last month.

1127
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: Yes, you were just there, Your buddy was just.

1128
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 6: Everybody was just there.

1129
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: Who can send me pictures of it?

1130
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 6: It's totally cool.

1131
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: So so I get the following text while you and

1132
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: I are speaking, Hey, Jake, finally got I handle on

1133
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: my schedule for the week. Everything looks good. Be willing

1134
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: to join your show on Thursday before you come to

1135
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: Long Beach, and then I've got some time cleared that

1136
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: weekend where we can go over to the house. Indeed,

1137
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Now. My question, it's twenty twenty

1138
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: six and I'm going to be doing a sports talk

1139
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: radio show with a segment with the guy that played

1140
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: Peter Brady before going to his house for pork chops

1141
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: and applesauce. Now do you consider this to be you

1142
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: sound you sound like me somewhat intrigued?

1143
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:30,919
Speaker 7: Oh?

1144
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 6: Mind blown?

1145
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not I won't lady about this, Dave.

1146
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 3: Not that I'm not already you know, like content with

1147
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 3: the way things are. And I don't know if this

1148
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 3: would be you know, like you give me an inch

1149
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,439
Speaker 3: and I'm asking for a mile. Now I may ask

1150
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 3: if there's any chance if Marie McCormick aka Marsha can

1151
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: tag along?

1152
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 1: Would that be too much?

1153
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1154
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 6: See my mind went, who will hand be? Davis? There,

1155
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 6: she's still alive.

1156
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: I believe, I believe, I believe sadly right now, and

1157
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: is in fact preparing a Westdale Championship keke for Robert

1158
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: Reid and Florence Sanderson up at the big kitchen in

1159
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: this guy. I think I'm not certain on that.

1160
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it would, it would stand the reason I think

1161
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 6: that right, But yeah, I mean I would now push

1162
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 6: my luck where I you. But you know, look, I

1163
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 6: this is I mean for someone of our generation, that's

1164
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:35,479
Speaker 6: that's pretty cool.

1165
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: It is pretty cool. It is pretty cool.

1166
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 6: Sure would yeah again? Picture now that now that we've

1167
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 6: unblocked one another that's right.

1168
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: Picture. I was going to see if you want to

1169
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: come just to play ball in the house once I

1170
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: get there, throw around the football with Joe Naviath in

1171
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: the backyard and then hit the glee club with Rosie

1172
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: Greer on.

1173
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 6: The artificial in the back.

1174
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: Then that's exactly right. Yes, all right, Dave Coverage tonight

1175
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: again give me the down for everybody Big ten network

1176
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 1: wise before and after the game.

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01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, So seven thirty Eastern is our pregame show, Andy

1178
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 6: Kats and raytheon Davis and I will be there kind

1179
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 6: of getting you ready for it. We just did our

1180
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 6: Big ten today, which I think, as you mentioned, is

1181
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 6: going to be re airing here in a bit. We

1182
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 6: had John bee Line on with us and that was

1183
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 6: a ton of funfec It may actually still be on

1184
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 6: because we take a bunch of stuff and then yes,

1185
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 6: we got the pregame show coming up later and then

1186
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 6: after the game, you know everything like right away, I

1187
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 6: mean postgame reaction, we'll go in the locker room. It'll

1188
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 6: all be Michigan focused. So if you're a Michigan fan,

1189
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 6: you know, like we're always the place to be and

1190
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 6: we're we're excited. As I've been saying all week. I'm

1191
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 6: not running any victory laughs shape, but I did pack

1192
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 6: my running shoes, so I'm prepared for this streak to end,

1193
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 6: and I'm hoping that that's a nice event.

1194
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, Dave, just with that real quick

1195
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: on the way out, Eddie, if you could the breaking

1196
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: news sounder please, and we have an update from Peter

1197
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: Brady here. Dave, while I'm talking to you, just texted

1198
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: me to say, by the way, I want to let

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Speaker 1: you know also, in addition to the Brady House, we

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01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 1: will not be far away from it, says right here.

1201
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,919
Speaker 1: I can arrange it where we'll not not far from

1202
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: the San Fernando Valley, where we can then go to

1203
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: the Universal Studio and I can take you on a

1204
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: tour as well as where we filmed outside of the

1205
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: house itself. Let me know if that would work, and

1206
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: you are welcome to bring others.

1207
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 6: Holy count.

1208
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 3: You know, if I see that Doug Simpson rat, think

1209
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm swiping that playbook back.

1210
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: Actually Jerry Rogers was the rat. Think Doug Simpson was

1211
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: big man on campus. If I see either one of them,

1212
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

1213
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, wow, this is yeah, this is this is

1214
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 6: pretty significant.

1215
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: Here's what we do, Dave, here's what we do. Okay, tonight,

1216
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: if Michigan wins it, you put on your running shoes

1217
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: and you do your victory lap, right, get an auxiliary

1218
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship trophy and bring it to Peter because

1219
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: what we know is he didn't actually ever win any trophies.

1220
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: So you bring that for him, and you're in like Flynn,

1221
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: and then you can hang for the rest of the

1222
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: night with us.

1223
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 6: Well, the next thing he's gonna do is like offer

1224
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 6: to take you to Hawaii on the family trip.

1225
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 3: We've got to take back the taboo to old We've

1226
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 3: got to take the taboo back to old mister Holloway

1227
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 3: and then we'll go to King's Island and make it

1228
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 3: full swing right.

1229
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: All right, Dave, we'll be watching tonight. Appreciate it.

1230
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 6: So that's next week, that's happening.

1231
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,959
Speaker 1: It's looks like he's going to be on the show

1232
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: on the sixteenth, and then on Saturday the eighteenth. This

1233
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: is one I'll be doing the tour. Oh wow, all right,

1234
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: you got time to plan. Yeah, use those. It's too

1235
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: bad the final four was here. You don't have any

1236
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: frequent flyer Miles to cash in to make the trip.

1237
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: You just drove down, right.

1238
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 6: Well, we're supposed to go visit our daughter in Prague

1239
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 6: at that time. She's studying abroad. Although, as she said

1240
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 6: to me, Dad, study abroad, but the study is silent.

1241
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 6: It's really just kind of a broad.

1242
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry you'll miss Prague.

1243
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, tell her I'm not coming.

1244
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:19,639
Speaker 1: That's right. Dad can't make it. He's he's unfortunately running

1245
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: around with rock Helle the Coolidge mascot. Yeah, okay, she's

1246
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: a goat.

1247
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 2: Man.

1248
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 6: That's deep there, that one.

1249
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

1250
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 6: F I L F F I L L L or.

1251
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 3: Fillmore Junior High. Baby, you are you are in the weeds.

1252
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: I love it. That's great.

1253
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 1: You know, I think that Tank was in the weeds

1254
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: too before he came over to see h Carroll again

1255
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: over the reunion weekend. That's a different story, all right, Dave,

1256
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Enjoy tonight.

1257
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 4: Sam the Butcher, Well, we'll do.

1258
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 3: Uh any anything you want to add to this? What

1259
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 3: this is working out perfectly?

1260
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 7: What is.

1261
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: As for a Brady House tour Saturday early evening can

1262
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: be arranged if that works for you. The house is

1263
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: not terribly far but not close it's in the East

1264
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: Fernando Valley. If you've ever been in Universal Studios, it's

1265
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: nearby there as well, and we can go there. I'll

1266
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 1: forward you a Google Map route in a following text

1267
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: if you've ever If you can get to the house

1268
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: by six thirty, I'm happy to meet you there and

1269
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: give you a tour. If you've got others interested in joining,

1270
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 1: please let me know. No, I'm I'm monopolizing the Brady experience.

1271
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: Did you get ahold of Zach by the way, Yes,

1272
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: that would mean Zach Osterman. Let me let me rephrase that.

1273
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: Did you get an update as to whether or not

1274
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: Zach Osterman is able to join us?

1275
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 3: Yes, he'll join us in seven minutes. This is from

1276
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 3: Colleen on the text line. Okay, this is Colleen with

1277
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 3: Michigan and yes, I've been listening Go Wolverines. Also, I

1278
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 3: detest Danny Hurley. He's a jack hole and a bully

1279
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 3: and it's time for the Big Ten to win a title. Colleen,

1280
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 3: way too long. Does Colleen's number on there? We need

1281
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 3: to get Colleen on.

1282
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,919
Speaker 1: Colleen says she will call out one forty five. All right, Colleen,

1283
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: who has tongues on the line, going to join us

1284
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: coming up one forty five, Zach Osterman. Osterman is next.

1285
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: I can't even begin to tell you.

1286
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Speaker 3: Now I'm completely off the rails now for the rest

1287
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 3: of the day.

1288
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: Did you just see I was on the phone to

1289
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: break right when? Aren't you off the rails? Jake? Well listen.

1290
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 1: So I just talked to Christopher Knight during the commercial break, yeah,

1291
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, yeah, totally ind So Thursday, Eddie,

1292
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: if you could get out your little pen and paper,

1293
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: Thursday the sixteenth, at two pm, we're gonna have Christopher Knight.

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01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting about it. So when I was last

1295
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: year at the Long Beach Race, somebody I'm getting geared up,

1296
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: and somebody goes, you know, the guy that played Peter

1297
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: Brady's over there, Christopher Knight, you're Brady? Yeah, you gotta

1298
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: be kidding me. So I go walking over He was

1299
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: there as a guest of and I apologize that I

1300
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: forget which team he was with. I think he was

1301
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: with Rayhall, Letterman Lannigan as a guest wouldn't make a

1302
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: lot of sense. So I go walking over there and

1303
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: it was either that or Meyers Shank. I think it

1304
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: was Rayhall, Letterman Lannigan. But I go walking over and

1305
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, that's Peter Brady, which I'm

1306
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: sure he's tired of people referencing him as Peter Brady.

1307
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, it was a gig I did

1308
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: fifty years ago. So I walk up and introduced myself.

1309
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: The guy could not have been a nicer guy. I

1310
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: mean literally could not have been a nicer guy. And

1311
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: so we got to talking and he said, I go, so,

1312
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: are you a race fan? And he said, Man, when

1313
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: we were doing the show The Brady Bunch, Mike Luokinland,

1314
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: which is Bobby, he said, Mike Lookingland's father was like

1315
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: an amateur racer all over southern California, raced and raced

1316
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: in Ontario, and he's naming all the places, all the

1317
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: tracks in the area. And he said, and so as

1318
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: a result of that, we started we followed racing pretty heavily.

1319
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 1: And he's like, man, during the time that The Brady

1320
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: Bunch was being filmed, Mike and I in particular, meaning

1321
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: Bobby and Peter, he's like, we were totally in on

1322
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: the Uncers and Foy and Ruth the Ferd. He's like,

1323
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: we knew all of it, you know, in that era

1324
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: of racing, and the Indy five hundred was a huge

1325
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: deal to us, which is why in one of the

1326
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: episodes of The Brady Bunch, Greg Brady buys a car,

1327
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: a junker car and has to fix it all up.

1328
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: And when he fixes it up and unveils it to

1329
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: the rest of the family as to the work that

1330
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: he did, right before he takes the tarp off, he says,

1331
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: let me introduce you to the hottest wheels this side

1332
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,919
Speaker 1: of Indianapolis. And the reason he said that is because

1333
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: Christopher Knight and Mike Lukeman had told him about the

1334
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: you know that he knew about the five hundred, So

1335
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: that's why the Indianapolis reference. So he was at the

1336
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 1: Long Beach Race and that's when he said, like, Hey,

1337
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: if next year when you're in town, let's go to

1338
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch House. And I'm like, I'm all in

1339
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: so Saturday that I'm in the Long Beat in Long

1340
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: Beach for the race, it looks like.

1341
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 3: I'm going and he's going to take me through the

1342
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: tour of the house that is now the Brady Bunch.

1343
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure Michael Young's looking forward to that adventure with you.

1344
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: Who wouldn't I wonder if if Zach would find that

1345
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 1: of intrigue or of interest, he joins us. Now from

1346
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: the Indian appse Star Zach joining us, Zach, I realize, well,

1347
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's before the time of both of us.

1348
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 1: I realized. But when you were a kid in syndication form,

1349
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: did you watch any episodes of The Brady Bunch?

1350
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 8: I feel like not a ton. I feel like I

1351
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 8: was more of like a Matlocked kid. I mean, growing

1352
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 8: up in Atlanta, the TDS was had a lot more

1353
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 8: reach than Nick at night, So I think I watched

1354
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 8: some Brady Bunches, but I probably did more and more Mattlock,

1355
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:10,839
Speaker 8: more Beverly Hillbillies, whatever came on in like two hours

1356
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 8: before the Braves game on TVs.

1357
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 1: Now, in my and I'm a few years older than you,

1358
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: but in my era, that would have been Starcade, which

1359
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 1: was an arcade video game.

1360
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

1361
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: And then probably Murder, she wrote, would have been in

1362
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: that mix as well. You know what I mean?

1363
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't. I probably wasn't allowed to watch Murder,

1364
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 8: she wrote, And I feel like it kind of I

1365
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 8: feel like it probably lived at a syndication just you know,

1366
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 8: matt Lock was a matt Lock was never quite so violent.

1367
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 8: Andy didn't carry a gun. I always try someone with him.

1368
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 8: We did though. That was interesting, But yeah, that's that's

1369
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 8: probably more my my like afternoon after school homesick childhood viewing.

1370
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: You have, Zach a fabulous column up right now for

1371
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Star in terms of this Final four and

1372
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 1: this championship game, not of Lee. If you were an

1373
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: Indiana fan, would you see this game as being one

1374
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: of giving you reason for hope or rather one of

1375
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 1: reason for disappointment. Take me through if you could, and

1376
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: for those that have not yet read it, exactly what

1377
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: it is that you wrote about regarding Braylan Mullin's, Dusty

1378
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: May and Purdue Indiana, all of it in today's college basketball.

1379
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, first of all, if I'm an Indiana fan,

1380
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 8: I probably still be celebrating what happened in Miami three

1381
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 8: months ago. But I mean, the Brave won the World

1382
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 8: Series five years ago, and I still pull up the

1383
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 8: highlights of more Hilaires. I'm run about once league, so

1384
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 8: I'll be dining out on that until I can't remember

1385
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 8: my Christian name. But now that the Beast just kind

1386
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 8: of tried to. I feel like, you know, I'm up

1387
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 8: there all week, and I'm gonna be up there tonight

1388
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 8: and night. I feel like I had to write something.

1389
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 8: You know, from the perspective, it might beat acknowledging sort

1390
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 8: of some of these connections to Indiana Raylan Mullens to

1391
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 8: a certain extent, although you know it, Dusty May probably

1392
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 8: has a little bit of sort of a deeper connection

1393
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 8: there because he's he's been a part of the programs

1394
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 8: an IU alum as well as being from Indiana, and

1395
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 8: just kind of trying to wrap arms around just sort

1396
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 8: of like what this should mean to Indiana fans. And

1397
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 8: I think you make a good point, which I kind

1398
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 8: of didn't even necessarily maybe we for that as as

1399
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 8: much as I meant to about the idea that you know,

1400
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 8: shouldn't give Indiana fans hope. I think, frankly, Indiana's own

1401
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 8: success in football should give Indiana fans hope, because it

1402
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 8: shouldn't help Indiana fans recognize there is no history anymore.

1403
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 8: There is just what you are now and what you

1404
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 8: can be in the future. And if Indiana can get

1405
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 8: it right between obviously staffing and then resources scouting, you know,

1406
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 8: roster construction, et cetera. You don't have to wait nearly

1407
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,839
Speaker 8: as long the sort of you know, the the bottom

1408
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 8: up rebuild in the days of Tom Green. That stuff

1409
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 8: is over because of the portal and because teams can

1410
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 8: sort of grab their destiny but both hands much more

1411
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 8: effectively than they used to be able to. But the

1412
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 8: point I tried to make on that piece at the

1413
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 8: same time was, and you've been around this program longer

1414
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 8: than I have, But I've been around it long enough

1415
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 8: to note that Indiana, and this is not unique to

1416
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 8: Indiana fans, but I write about Indiana, and ultimately, you

1417
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 8: know what, what Kentucky fans do doesn't take Indiana's problems,

1418
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 8: what North Carolina fans do doesn't pix Indiana's problems. Indiana

1419
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 8: has this, in my experience, increasing sort of devotion to

1420
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 8: defaulting to the what if the minute things start to

1421
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:46,440
Speaker 8: go wrong, and to create almost this sort of mythical utopian,

1422
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 8: their borderline utopian, sort of alternate future if pad Mada

1423
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 8: had taken the job, or if Brad Stevens had taken

1424
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,719
Speaker 8: the job, or you know, Destima is kind of the latest,

1425
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 8: you know, unprovable and therefore in a hypothetical of if

1426
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 8: the job had been opened, you know a year earlier

1427
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 8: in Indiana had gotten Dustin May, with the Indiana here

1428
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 8: right now and that listen, you can't prove that wrong,

1429
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 8: or you can't prove that right between. You can't prove

1430
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 8: it wrong. And so I can't sit here and tell

1431
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 8: you that Indiana wouldn't have had a lot of the

1432
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 8: same success Michigan's had if Indiana had tired Dustiny May

1433
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 8: and said, but I can't tell you that just constantly

1434
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,719
Speaker 8: sort of pining over somebody else's future is hurting Indiana's presence.

1435
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 8: And in a time when your point, there are examples

1436
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 8: across the spectrum, not least football in Bloomington proving that

1437
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 8: you can be whatever you are good enough to be

1438
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 8: with very few limitations anymore in college sports, at least

1439
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 8: right now, at least as the rules are today. You

1440
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 8: know it, it would be a lot more productive to

1441
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 8: focus on on what Indiana could do to improve itself.

1442
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 8: And I don't just mean fans, I do think like

1443
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 8: that's a I tried to paint that as a broad way.

1444
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 8: I tried to paint with as broad of a brush

1445
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 8: as possible, because I don't think it's just the fan

1446
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 8: base that's been guilty of this at times in the

1447
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 8: last ten to fifteen years. The more Indiana focuses on itself,

1448
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 8: the more I suspect Indiana might have success rather than

1449
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 8: sort of leering it something that's happening elsewhere. Zach.

1450
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: Let me, let me run something past you, and you

1451
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: tell me if you agree with it. And it's a

1452
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: harsh reality perhaps, And I'm one of them, of you know,

1453
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: for Indiana alumni and people who were the fan base

1454
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: for a long time.

1455
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:40,759
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the theater version of a Christmas

1456
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 3: Carol with Ebenezer Scrooge and Jacob.

1457
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 8: Marley, I mean not in theater.

1458
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: No, maybe I have, if you see it in theater,

1459
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: at least in the variation that I see every year

1460
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: at IRT. Jacob Marley, when he is the ghost of

1461
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: Christmas Past, is trying to warn Ebenezer Scrooge, of course,

1462
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: of what has happened, and then he kind of retreats

1463
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: away and sinks back into the stage, and Ebenezer Scrooge

1464
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: has this like dilemma of whether to continue to follow Marley,

1465
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 1: to continue asking questions and get kind of sucked in

1466
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,320
Speaker 1: with that, or to move forward and finally keep that

1467
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: as the past and learn from it. And I feel

1468
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: like that's Indiana Basketball's problem as a fan base, is

1469
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 1: the ghost of basketball past keeps coming up and tantalizing

1470
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: and torturing the Indiana fan base. And instead of finally saying,

1471
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: we have to learn from this and move forward and

1472
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 1: quit dealing with and relating to the past, we've got

1473
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: to move forward with it and quit comparing everything to

1474
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: it and just say that was a wonderful period, but

1475
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 1: it is now a picture frame on the mantle and

1476
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: nothing else, and move forward with it. And it's become

1477
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: toxic for the present members of Indiana Basketball. Maybe not

1478
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,919
Speaker 1: Darren Dereese's group, but I'm just saying that the now

1479
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: is continually hampered by the past fact or fiction.

1480
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 8: I think that's true to a certain extent. I think

1481
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 8: it's probably a lot less true now than it was

1482
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 8: maybe five to seven years ago. And I think that's

1483
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 8: some of that's a generational thing, you know, ultimately, And

1484
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 8: I wrote this and something I wrote near the end

1485
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 8: of the season, there is not a twenty two or

1486
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 8: younger I used student on campus that that was even

1487
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 8: a live the last time Indiana was in a final four,

1488
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 8: much less won a national championship. There is you know,

1489
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,839
Speaker 8: when you when you wonder how Indiana has embraced football

1490
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 8: so fully, A lot of times people will say to me,

1491
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 8: do you think it's because football sort of replaces basketball

1492
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 8: and fans sort of mind or in fans passion? I said,

1493
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 8: I think that was already happening, because frankly, if we're

1494
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 8: just talking about you know, a generation is a shorter

1495
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 8: thing in college sports, and if we're talking about a

1496
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 8: generation in college sports, probably no more than ten years,

1497
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 8: maybe less. And then in the previous generations, football, even

1498
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 8: before Kurt Signetti, had given Indiana fans more success and

1499
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 8: more happiness, nor frankly, fulfillments in basketball had and that

1500
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 8: I mean that has only deepened in the last two

1501
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 8: or three years. So I think there's there's some of

1502
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 8: that that is just generational. That is, as you know,

1503
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 8: as the fan base recycles and younger fans come up,

1504
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 8: they just what are the memories that they attach themselves to.

1505
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 8: There are fewer of them in basketball than the sort

1506
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 8: of the older fans that they are joining, or in

1507
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 8: some cases it not to be morbid about it, but

1508
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 8: replacing I do think what is true is that the

1509
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 8: to use your metaphor, the ghost of basketball past is

1510
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 8: still the measuring stick, and Indiana, to be clear, still

1511
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 8: wants it to be the measuring stick. You know, administratively, institutionally,

1512
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 8: Indiana still wants to talk about winning national championships, winning

1513
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 8: Big Ten championships, excellence on the floor in basketball. And

1514
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:55,679
Speaker 8: what happens is when that's not delivered. And in full

1515
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 8: fairness to fans, to boosters, the season ticket holders, they

1516
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 8: are asked, you know, annually to invest with their time,

1517
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 8: with their money, with their emotion in the idea that

1518
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 8: Indiana should be an elite or at least an elite

1519
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 8: adjacent basketball program. And then that's not delivered. And so

1520
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 8: when that's the expectation and it's not met, then it

1521
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 8: does kind of get married to what I talk about

1522
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 8: in that piece about Dusty and Braylen Mowens, which is

1523
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 8: the sort of need to go find someone who at

1524
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 8: least in sort of the the collective mind's eye, would

1525
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 8: meet that expectation and would have that success. But the

1526
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 8: problem is that what happens is eventually you start to

1527
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 8: mythologize that person by association and you start to say well,

1528
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 8: if that person was here, we'd win thirty games a year,

1529
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 8: We'd never missed a flan before, and all of the

1530
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 8: all the failings of today, all the frustrations would would

1531
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 8: just evaporate the moment that person walked in the door.

1532
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 8: Or you know, Nick Naven lost to Louisiana Monroe his

1533
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 8: first season at Alabama. It doesn't happen overnight. But I

1534
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,080
Speaker 8: think your metaphor is apt in that part of this

1535
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 8: is getting stuck on not just the person, but the

1536
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 8: expectation of what the person would be without obviously the

1537
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 8: proof that that person could deliver. You know, what we're

1538
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 8: talking about is if that because they've got to talk

1539
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,160
Speaker 8: to myself into a corner there at the end, I apologize.

1540
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 1: I talked myself into a corner, Zach, like three hours

1541
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 1: a day, five days a week. So you are forgiven.

1542
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to get to this real quick before we

1543
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: let you go. And that is the transfer portal. Indiana

1544
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: clearly now not only has money, but they have Ryan

1545
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: Carr to help figure out how to utilize that money.

1546
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 1: Along with Darren Debrees. The big name right now would

1547
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: be Harrelson out of Notre Dame. He had Indiana in

1548
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: his final three. I think Purdue was also a school

1549
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: of which you had initial interest. Do we read into

1550
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 1: what a kid was looking at when they're in high

1551
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: school or once they're in the portal? Is it basically

1552
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: it just depends on which program offers the most and

1553
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: where they decide to spend their money.

1554
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 8: You know, I mean, it's that's obviously a much bigger

1555
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 8: part of it than it used to be. I think

1556
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 8: it's less about maybe what a player was looking at

1557
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 8: when they were in high school and more about what

1558
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 8: relationships they have, so like it. You know, for example,

1559
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 8: if if this staff had recruited Jalen Harrelson, I think

1560
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 8: maybe there's a world where and I'm not listening. I

1561
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 8: haven't heard anything one way or the other. My sense

1562
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 8: is that the expectation is Harrelson is at least going

1563
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 8: to Indiana and at least going to sort of be

1564
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 8: involved to a certain extent there. But you do wonder

1565
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 8: if that would be you know, it would be more

1566
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 8: intense or quicker or whatever, if this was the staff

1567
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 8: that he had the relationship with. And I think that's

1568
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 8: like that's what coaches talk about so much anymore with

1569
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,560
Speaker 8: the portal is don't burn bridges because you don't know

1570
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 8: when a guy might come back around. You don't know

1571
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 8: when maybe an initial opportunity won't work out, or you know,

1572
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 8: maybe you'll wind up somewhere else, and then they'll come

1573
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 8: available and the fit might make sense now where it

1574
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 8: didn't before. Just keep those relationships, keep those options open.

1575
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 8: And I'm not saying Indiana won't get Jalen Harrelson, but

1576
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 8: in this case, obviously that doesn't necessarily apply. I also

1577
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 8: think he's not the only Notre Dame transfer that Indiana

1578
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 8: is gonna have some interest in. I would be very

1579
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 8: surprised if Indiana is not interested in and maybe as

1580
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 8: involved as it can be with Marcus Burton, who is

1581
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,519
Speaker 8: a player that you know, if you rewind his recruitment

1582
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 8: did not really involve Indiana a Ton certainly not in

1583
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 8: the business end of it, at least to my memory.

1584
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 8: But it might be a different fit now. And I

1585
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 8: don't know if he has a relationships the current staff,

1586
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 8: or if there's just maybe something you know schematically that

1587
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 8: Indiana really likes about Burton as a player. But no,

1588
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 8: I think it's less about maybe how a player view

1589
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 8: to a program. When he was in high school and

1590
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 8: more about one relationships at any he still got with

1591
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 8: that program when he goes into the portal. I'm not

1592
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 8: san Harrelson won't wind up in Indiana. I'm just saying,

1593
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 8: in my experience, that's more kind of where those wheels turn.

1594
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,440
Speaker 1: It is my understanding, by the way, and this understanding

1595
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: could be inaccurate, but tonight is not only the night

1596
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: that the transfer portal officially opens at midnight, but also

1597
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: tonight it is my understanding that the nineteen seventy six

1598
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: Indiana team will be recognized by the NCAA as part

1599
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: of the fiftieth anniversary of their undefeated season. Of course,

1600
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 1: Zach Osterman has all of it covered for you at

1601
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Star, not just about Indiana in general, but

1602
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 1: again this situation in terms of tonight with the cross

1603
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,759
Speaker 1: pollination in the National Championship Game, of how it relates

1604
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 1: to the Hoosiers, because the article is up right now

1605
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,799
Speaker 1: at the Indiestar dot com, and that article talking about

1606
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Braylan mull Dusty May and how part of Indiana's better

1607
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: future has got to be at the end of reflexive

1608
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: coveting of somebody else's present. That article up from Zach, Zach,

1609
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 1: appreciate the time as always, enjoy the game this evening.

1610
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 8: Absolutely thanks for having me.

1611
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: Zach Ostman joining me on the program. We come back

1612
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: a lot on the line tonight. And I don't necessarily

1613
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: even just mean in the college basketball world. In the

1614
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: Query and Company company as well, we'll explain this is,

1615
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: of course, the official song of the Michigan Wolverines. And

1616
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not Colleen is a Michigan

1617
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: fan because she likes this song. I don't know if

1618
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Colleen is a Michigan fan just because she enjoys the

1619
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: sounds that wolverines make, who are tenacious, although they can

1620
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 1: be cute. Do we have the sound of the wolverine?

1621
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 1: By chance Eddie from the sounder of our numbers game

1622
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: that we did. But what seems like an eternity ago

1623
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: and was just a couple of weeks ago, is when

1624
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: we did the numbers giveaway, everybody called it, gave a

1625
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: random number, and then we had a school assigned for

1626
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: each number. Caller that calls in gives a number gets

1627
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: the school. Colleen called in and got this sounder. Now

1628
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: that just sounds like a bear, doesn't it. I don't

1629
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: think it sounds like a bear. Sounds like a bear

1630
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 1: that needs a thumbs. I believe Colleen's on the program,

1631
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: is she not? Colleen joins us on the show. Hi Colleen,

1632
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: how are you? Hi?

1633
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 9: Jake? I'm great.

1634
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: Do you remember the number that you used to get

1635
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 1: the Wolverines?

1636
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 9: I think it was thirty nine?

1637
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: That is correct, And if I'm not mistaken, Colleen, we

1638
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,759
Speaker 1: found an irony of that because you might be female

1639
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: listener number thirty nine to this program, right, that's right?

1640
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 1: I doubt it, but okay, no, I think that's absolutely correct.

1641
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: But I'm curious and you can be honest about this. Well,

1642
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: first off, Colleen, did you happen to hear have you

1643
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 1: been listening to the show today? Or did somebody just

1644
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: simply alert you allah us and tell you to call in.

1645
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 10: No, I've been listening. I heard you when you were

1646
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 10: asking if I was listening. It took me a minute

1647
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 10: to figure out how to text you or twitter tweet

1648
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 10: to you.

1649
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, here's the thing. Did you ever watch The

1650
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch?

1651
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 9: Not much, just a little bit.

1652
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: Do you find as a as a listener of this show?

1653
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: The fact that I have now air dropped myself into

1654
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 1: not only hanging out with the guy that played Peter

1655
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: Brady for a week in la but also getting a

1656
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 1: tour of the Brady Bunch house and eating pork chops

1657
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: and apple sauce with him. Do you find that to

1658
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: be actually endearing about this program or is it probably

1659
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: what's going to get me fired.

1660
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's probably somewhere in the middle.

1661
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 9: It's a little over the top, but it's kind of fun.

1662
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: It's a little over the top, she says, Eddie. Okay,

1663
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 1: are you a Michigan fan, Colleen, or are you just

1664
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: now a Michigan fan because of the fact you have

1665
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 1: them in this fabulous game? Yeah, option b A.

1666
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 10: I'm a pretty boiler Makers fan, but also a big

1667
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:56,679
Speaker 10: Ten fan in general.

1668
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 3: Okay, Colleen, are you the person that called in and

1669
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 3: asked for a number and then Jake's like, yeah, you

1670
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 3: may want to change that, and then you ended up

1671
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 3: with Michigan. Are you the one that that was the case?

1672
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 9: That's not exactly my recollection.

1673
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 11: My recollection is Jake gave me a range that was

1674
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 11: like fifty something to fifty something else and then like

1675
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 11: something at the low end, and I think you actually

1676
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 11: chimed in Eddie and said there's also a thirty nine

1677
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 11: open and I said, oh, that's right.

1678
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have to split the profits. I remember

1679
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:25,719
Speaker 3: this correctly.

1680
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I didn't agree to that, but I might

1681
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 10: throw you something now, Colleen.

1682
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, as you know, and we have fabulous

1683
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 1: prizes here, as you know, the epicenter of the prize

1684
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: being not just do you get some Chicago's pizza, not

1685
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: just do you get some Java house, but you get

1686
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 1: the Michigan hat. Now that's going to be difficult for

1687
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 1: you to wear as a Predu fan, but it is.

1688
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. It's not just a Michigan hat.

1689
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 1: It's a major award and it's for a Gila it's

1690
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: Italian and you're going to wear the hat around and

1691
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: the conversation piece, are you The thing that I need

1692
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:03,360
Speaker 1: to know, just from my own conscious is are you

1693
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 1: like aware of embraced for the onslaught of attention you're

1694
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: going to get from this because you want it potentially

1695
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 1: from this show.

1696
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 10: Well, I guess I can say I've been warned, but

1697
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 10: I don't know if it works for a team like Michigan.

1698
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 9: I think that works for like High Point, you know.

1699
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. That's a fair point, you know,

1700
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 1: the one. Here's the beauty of it, and we got

1701
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: to get to break a news calling. But I will

1702
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: tell you this, there are two real beauties if you

1703
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 1: win this, this major award and the bragging rights for

1704
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 1: a year, and I mean, you'll be the envy of

1705
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,080
Speaker 1: all your friends because it'll be like you got that

1706
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: from the radio program. And then you know, in anybody

1707
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: under the age of forty, then you have to explain

1708
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: to them what a radio program is. And that's a

1709
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 1: fun conversation as well. But also it means that Danny

1710
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Hurley did not win. So that's the other upshot to this.

1711
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 10: Yes, that that's the biggest upside for me.

1712
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 9: I would love to see Danny Hurley get denied a third.

1713
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: Okay, you call them a jack hole, right, is how

1714
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 1: you call them.

1715
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 9: That's the nicest thing I can call him. I was

1716
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 9: trying to be uh, I was trying to be PG

1717
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 9: for the radio.

1718
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a word that Jake and I need

1719
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: to use more. Jack hole. Yeah, that sounds like it

1720
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: might be bordering on that's more PG thirteen almost, isn't it,

1721
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:14,879
Speaker 1: isn't it? Colleen Let's be real.

1722
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 9: Who listens to this program under thirteen? Does anybody?

1723
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Again, you have to explain to those folks also,

1724
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 1: then you have to explain what FM is, and then

1725
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: it becomes a whole different talk show. Okay.

1726
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 3: Last question is if you were gonna which if you

1727
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 3: had to drive to next year's Final four, yourself and

1728
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 3: I think your husband or whoever it may be, and

1729
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 3: one of the two of us is going to tag along,

1730
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 3: who would be a more fun road companion myself or Eddie?

1731
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 9: Oh man, that's like choosing between children.

1732
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:44,879
Speaker 1: I thank you.

1733
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 11: Literally literally, yes, you'd both be a lot of fun.

1734
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 9: I don't make me choose.

1735
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you very much. We appreciate it. Colleen,

1736
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: best of luck tonight for the Wolverines, all right and

1737
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: boiler up? All right? That is Colleen, Eddie? Did you

1738
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: say that we have breaking news?

1739
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 3: By the way, hot off the press, Jake from Pete Thamil,

1740
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 3: North Carolina has honed in.

1741
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 1: Let me guess on their guess new head coach. Let

1742
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: me guess. Well, by honed in, it means like this

1743
01:34:15,640 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: is who they're all in on, right, They're making the

1744
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 1: full court press. They're sending the dogs they are intending

1745
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 1: to hire Billy Donovan. That would be incorrect. Okay, what

1746
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 1: is this person a college coach?

1747
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 12: No?

1748
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: Is this person an NBA coach?

1749
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 12: No?

1750
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 1: Is this person ever coached? Yes? Were they successful? Yes?

1751
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: Are they in television? Yes? Jay Wright?

1752
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 3: No, hit me, Michael Malone. Okay, former Denver Nuggets at coach.

1753
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 1: I mean that feels kind of like a okay right now.

1754
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 3: The thing with Billy Donovan, a lot of people were

1755
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 3: speculating if that would be the person they would go after.

1756
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:04,759
Speaker 3: Is the season obviously since weekend for the NBA on Sunday,

1757
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 3: and Billy Donovan has already come out and said that

1758
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 3: he needed time to weigh on what was next for

1759
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,759
Speaker 3: him if he wanted to continue with the Chicago Bulls

1760
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 3: or if he wanted to switch up, go to a

1761
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 3: different NBA team, or go back to college. And that

1762
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 3: could take a week, that could take two weeks. And

1763
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 3: as you highlighted with Zach Osterman Osterman, the transfer portal

1764
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 3: opens up tonight at midnight, and you need to get

1765
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,680
Speaker 3: somebody in there, like asap if you're North Carolina, to

1766
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: try to get some of the top players in the

1767
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 3: portal and start making your roster or your coaching staff

1768
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 3: start getting all that stuff together, and so they ended

1769
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 3: up going the route of Michael Malone.

1770
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: He is only a year older than I am, so

1771
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: it's not like he's an old guy. But he has

1772
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: no North Carolina connection, right none. It's a little underwhelming.

1773
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: But the guy may be a great coach. I mean

1774
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 1: he's coached collegiately. He was an assistant at Oakland, he

1775
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 1: was an assistant at Providence, and he was an assistant Manhattan,

1776
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 1: and then it has been all professionally, which.

1777
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 3: His dad was an assistant with the Pacers. I believe

1778
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 3: that's correct. I'm ninety percent certain that that's correct.

1779
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: We'll come back, we'll get into that lot to get

1780
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 1: to as well. Ralph Reef gonna come up talk about

1781
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 1: some of these injuries that can take place tonight. And

1782
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 1: then a guy that played for Michigan in the NCAA

1783
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: tournament and was in one shining moment, Stu Douglas. Bottom

1784
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: of the hour. If you are just joining the program,

1785
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:33,839
Speaker 1: where thank you, Eddie Colleen is rooting tonight for Michigan.

1786
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: We have Brent who has Connecticut. We've not heard from

1787
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:41,679
Speaker 1: Brent yet in our numbers game and Drew who had

1788
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: Prairie View A and m needs to get ahold of us.

1789
01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,479
Speaker 1: Gary's already gotten his Texas hat and he's already reported

1790
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: to me just the benefits he's getting into clubs and

1791
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 1: everything now wearing the hat around because people know he

1792
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 1: wanted on the show. Colleen has that to look forward to.

1793
01:36:53,120 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 1: If Michigan wins, Michael Malone appears to be the candidate

1794
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 1: with the highest probability of landing the job for the

1795
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: tar Heels of North Carolina National Championship game tonight Michigan

1796
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 1: and Connecticut. We'll get back into that from a health

1797
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: standpoint with Ralph Reef in about fifteen. But I did

1798
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 1: want to bring on from Fox fifty nine and CBS

1799
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: four because the Colts are always in the news cycle.

1800
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:24,719
Speaker 1: We played for everyone the comments that Eric Ebron had

1801
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: on the podcast that he had done with Darius Leonard,

1802
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 1: Shaquille Leonard, whichever what you want to call him, where

1803
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: they were just talking about their time ending and exiting

1804
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. And I had said at the time, and

1805
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 1: I couldn't recall the exact circumstance, but I know that

1806
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:45,720
Speaker 1: Ebron's relationship here was complicated to say it best, but

1807
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: Ebron insinuated that he and Andrew Luck had similar injury

1808
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 1: and that there was a big surprise that happened as

1809
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 1: they navigated through that, and to kind of bring that

1810
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:59,719
Speaker 1: all in Mike Chapple joining me on the program because

1811
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: he got to comment from Andrew Luck regarding this, So Chap,

1812
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: let's begin with this. Ebron essentially said or inferred that

1813
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: during the time that he and Andrew Luck were both

1814
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 1: coming back from injury, that Andrew Luck was told by

1815
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 1: the Colts, if you don't play through this, then we're

1816
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: going to move on or we're going to move on

1817
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 1: from you. That's I'm loosely paraphrasing, but that's my off

1818
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: base and my recollection of what he said.

1819
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't infer that, he said that, so it

1820
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:34,320
Speaker 2: was a flat statement. And I understand the value of

1821
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 2: player podcasts. It gets them out there and it gives

1822
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,799
Speaker 2: them a voice and all that, but not all player

1823
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:45,799
Speaker 2: podcasts are beneficial in the One of the main problems

1824
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 2: I had with him is there's no pushback. You know,

1825
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 2: Shaq Leonard is not going to say wa anybote. That's

1826
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,919
Speaker 2: not how that, That's not how I remember that happening.

1827
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 2: Now maybe Shaq Leonard has the same view. I don't know.

1828
01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, when you've got players in that situation,

1829
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 2: they're not going to push back on the on the

1830
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 2: head of the podcast and say, you know, that's not

1831
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 2: really how it happened or that's not how I remember it.

1832
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 2: So then there's there's nothing. There's no accountability on did

1833
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 2: this really happen this way? Or does this player have

1834
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 2: an extra grind? And in honesty, if he's if Evan's

1835
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 2: got an axtra grind, he waited a long time to

1836
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 2: grind it. I mean because this happened in twenty nineteen,

1837
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 2: in August of twenty nineteen, so he's been he's had

1838
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 2: that shotgun loaded for a long time without pulling a trigger.

1839
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 2: And again, I what, And then we're here to pick

1840
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 2: up the manure, when when the elephant leaves the circus,

1841
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 2: we're here sweeping and figuring things out. I very seldom

1842
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 2: react to these as in regards to a story like

1843
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 2: Shaq Leter in that same podcast called out a coordinator,

1844
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 2: Guess Bradley, for how he was handled, and he may

1845
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 2: have even used the words tab him in the back.

1846
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, but and I remember as great of

1847
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 2: a player as Shack was that he was on perhaps

1848
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame mark because of the numbers in

1849
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 2: what he was doing. But at the end, he wasn't himself.

1850
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 2: He couldn't play at his level. So you know, let's

1851
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,800
Speaker 2: not forget that. And that's why Gus Bradley probably had

1852
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 2: a hard time planning because he just wasn't able to

1853
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 2: do the amazing things that he did before. And with Ebrian,

1854
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 2: remember he had the great year in twenty eighteen. They

1855
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 2: brought him in as a free agent and set all

1856
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 2: kinds of records, was it thirteen touchdowns or whatever, fourteen

1857
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 2: total and whatever, and he was just a player, just

1858
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,880
Speaker 2: a player, and the next year not so much. That's

1859
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:58,840
Speaker 2: when Luck retired and Jacoby Brissett took over and things

1860
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 2: just kind of disintegrate after Brissette had his knee injury.

1861
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 2: So it's it's I hate to respond to these things

1862
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 2: because you can spend all day doing it, but in

1863
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 2: this one, he's he's, he he's trying, he's he's sort

1864
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 2: of rewriting history sort of, or at least in his eyes.

1865
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 2: And I just thought it was worth reaching out to

1866
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 2: Andrew Lucke and if if Andrew hadn't responded, I would

1867
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 2: have written nothing, because because you can't just spend your

1868
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 2: time cleaning up this stuff. This was a little different

1869
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:34,280
Speaker 2: when he's calling out the GM and I know some people,

1870
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 2: you know, they want Chris go on. I understand it.

1871
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 2: I understand that, but this is this is totally different.

1872
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 2: And I've been around him on this team enough to

1873
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,919
Speaker 2: know that that's not the way they treat players and

1874
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 2: and and make decisions. Uh, they err on the side

1875
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:00,920
Speaker 2: of if the guy's not ready, he's not playing. Uh

1876
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 2: Mooney Ward won't come back and play after the concussion

1877
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 2: that for his third concussion last year, and the team

1878
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 2: wasn't let him. I can remember Brandon Stokely wanted to

1879
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 2: play when he had a concussion and the team wouldn't

1880
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 2: love him. So it's it's not just this geam it,

1881
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 2: it's it's the team. Yeah, this is just a different case.

1882
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you I have to. I have to

1883
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:23,959
Speaker 2: admit that the Andrew's response was as was as Andrew

1884
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 2: as as ever. You know, whatever claims were without merit.

1885
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 2: That's that's Stanford. Ask if you if you've ever been

1886
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 2: around Andrews so you know what, whatever Eric Ebran's reasons were,

1887
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 2: maybe that's what he remembers. I don't know, but I

1888
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 2: know Eber and Nichols did not part on good terms.

1889
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 1: Correct. He had a complicated relationship here right.

1890
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 2: Right, Well the last year he did the first year

1891
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 2: is pretty good, you know. So, yeah, it did did

1892
01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 2: not end well and complicated it is probably a good

1893
01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:58,080
Speaker 2: way to put it.

1894
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 1: Not not that it matters, Chap, but did you speak

1895
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 1: with Luck or was it text?

1896
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 2: It was an email? I'm not I have access to

1897
01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 2: guys just because of what I do and how long

1898
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 2: I've done it, But it would take something really serious

1899
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 2: for me to actually call Andrew and say, hey, you

1900
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 2: want to you know, so it's easiest to the text

1901
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 2: her or email and then if they really want to

1902
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 2: get into it, they would. I'm sure he and he

1903
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 2: Gaven thought because again this this somebody was putting words

1904
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 2: in his mouth. And you know, now, if it was true,

1905
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 2: I don't know how Andrew would have responded. But the

1906
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 2: fact that he came out and said no merit, and

1907
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 2: that's not we all we were there. We were there

1908
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 2: through that, through that last year, that last training camp

1909
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 2: and all that and we knew that this was. This

1910
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 2: was winging heavily on Andrew Luck. It was if you remember,

1911
01:43:56,120 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 2: was it that game where he was out on the

1912
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:59,600
Speaker 2: field working out before the game? I think it was

1913
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 2: that Bear preseason game where he's in the end zone

1914
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,760
Speaker 2: working out because he's still trying to get back on

1915
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 2: the field, and he finally decided that no, it's not

1916
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:12,800
Speaker 2: this isn't gonna work. And you either believe Andrew Luck

1917
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 2: or you call him a liar. And I understand there

1918
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 2: have been times that Andrews has been, I don't know

1919
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:27,040
Speaker 2: what the word is, vague or not been totally honest

1920
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 2: because of the situation, and I understand that from players,

1921
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 2: But in this case, I believe what he says, and

1922
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 2: that's kind of where it is.

1923
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Speaker 1: Mike.

1924
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Speaker 3: Two other things to add that kind of backup Luck statement.

1925
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 3: Number One, Chris Pallard's youngest son is going to Stanford

1926
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 3: as a walk on for the football team. If that

1927
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 3: really did happen, I don't think Andrew Luck, who is

1928
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 3: the general manager of Stanford football, would be take letting

1929
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 3: Chris Pallard's son on the team as a preferred walk on.

1930
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 3: Number Two, In that clip, when Ebron is talking shaq

1931
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 3: Linnard goes, oh, I never heard this. This is to me.

1932
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 3: I know, like you would think that Leonard would have

1933
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 3: heard something during this time, either after E. Brown left

1934
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 3: or just in general being friends with Andrew.

1935
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 2: Well, on top of that, it's been two or three

1936
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:15,640
Speaker 2: years ago again in the year friend together. Remember how

1937
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 2: Chuck Burgano always has is uh cancer uh charity event

1938
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 2: at the pavilion and Andrew Luck came back. I'm sure

1939
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:27,600
Speaker 2: that's what it was for. And we talked to Andrew that.

1940
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you just if you felt that you were

1941
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 2: done wrong by a team a general manager, I just

1942
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 2: don't know that you that you suck it up and

1943
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 2: come back and and all that. So yeah, I just again,

1944
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 2: we could spend all of our time chasing these things

1945
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 2: because there are so many outlets and podcasts and and

1946
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 2: things that. But but this one involves the Lucky And

1947
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 2: somebody said, well, you know, apparently he signed this is

1948
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 2: the comments you get when when you posted. Well, you know,

1949
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 2: I'm sure he signed a non disclosure so he can't

1950
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: say anything. That's what that twenty eight was. That twenty

1951
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 2: five twenty eight million dollars was, Yeah, when they didn't

1952
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 2: know after what they could have done well, so that

1953
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 2: they called that hush money. Well, no, what that was

1954
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 2: was Jim Mersey hoping, hoping every year that Andrew Luck

1955
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 2: would would would reconsider and play again. You know, Chris

1956
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 2: Ballard and Frank Right finally had to tell Jimmy he's

1957
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 2: not coming back. For so many years, you know, several years,

1958
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 2: Jim Mercy kept hoping that there'd be a call or

1959
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 2: a knock on the door and is Andrew Luck. And

1960
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 2: you know that's you know, and they know that that

1961
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:45,240
Speaker 2: Luck earned all the money he got, including what they

1962
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 2: could have gone back after. So it's just it's unfortunate that,

1963
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 2: you know, it's not what's not what I wanted to do.

1964
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 2: You know, it didn't take all that long to chase

1965
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 2: down Luck and all that, but it's just a nuisance.

1966
01:46:56,439 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 2: And I just again, I I think it's great that

1967
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 2: players have voices and they can use it. But again,

1968
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,800
Speaker 2: go back and look at Jack Leonard's response as as

1969
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 2: Eban's talking, and it's kind of like, you know, he

1970
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:12,760
Speaker 2: was sort of you know, what do you call it

1971
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:17,439
Speaker 2: an anxious laugh that he was doing. Yeah, So I

1972
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I I again, and this

1973
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 2: happened seven years ago, So where you've been if it

1974
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 2: bother you that much all this, you know where you've been,

1975
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you say something before that? So it's unfortunate,

1976
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:33,880
Speaker 2: but that's part of with today's media and the social media,

1977
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 2: that's part of what we have to do. But what

1978
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:39,919
Speaker 2: you have to do is decide what what what merits

1979
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 2: chasing down? And if luck it said yeah, you know,

1980
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 2: they kind of pushed me out the door and I

1981
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 2: wasn't quite ready, well then it's really a story. But

1982
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 2: that's not the case.

1983
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 1: That's not how, that's not.

1984
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 2: How any of us who were here remembering media wise,

1985
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 2: remember any of that. He was simply beaten. He was

1986
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 2: worn down and it was a great story, was it?

1987
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 2: ESPN Sports seth Wickersham did. I don't remember who he's

1988
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 2: with ESPN, I think. And part of the reason what

1989
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 2: decided to retire at the time he did is his

1990
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 2: family life. He wanted it was suffering. It was all

1991
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 2: that stuff, and I understood, Uh, the fan base is anger,

1992
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:25,600
Speaker 2: which was a selfish anger. How can you do this

1993
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,759
Speaker 2: to us? But this is the case of a player

1994
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 2: just saying for my own well being, I had to

1995
01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 2: step away. And I tell you I I don't know

1996
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 2: that Andrews had too many second thoughts on on I'd

1997
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 2: say I think he was very much at peace with it.

1998
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, traveled around, comes back at his alma mater, now

1999
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 1: leading Stanford, doing interviews on the sideline when there's you know,

2000
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 1: a fumble, scooping score and going crazy. All right, Chap,

2001
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:57,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate kind of clearing the air on that we

2002
01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 1: had played that audio. I found it intriguing as well,

2003
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 1: and of course appreciate you tracking down the comment from

2004
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck and shedding light on it today. Enjoy the

2005
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 1: National Championship game tonight, Go Michigan. Yeah, there you go,

2006
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 1: Big ten all the way for Mike Chaplin. He wants

2007
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 1: Colleen to win. The hat is what it is, Eddie.

2008
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,360
Speaker 1: That's what that comes down to me.

2009
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 2: By the way, if that happens in good for Colleen.

2010
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:23,960
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, Chap. Appreciate it well, guys, all right,

2011
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,600
Speaker 1: Mike Chapel joining us. By the way, I failed to

2012
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: mention this earlier, and I apologize. I told you that

2013
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: I got a message from an unsolicited message from a

2014
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 1: friend working in the hospitality industry in downtown Indianapolis with

2015
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 1: a weekend report that said three of the fan bases

2016
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 1: all good thumbs up, come back whenever you'd like one

2017
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:46,679
Speaker 1: of them. Come on, guys, do better not to say

2018
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 1: that the entire fan base was out of line, but

2019
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: the fan base that is the one that apparently was

2020
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 1: a little bit unruly, and it kind of fell under

2021
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 1: the category of act like you've been here before. What

2022
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 1: in fact, And as somebody said, it's perfectly fitting because

2023
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 1: the word annoy is in their name. Illinois. Illinois is

2024
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 1: the one that apparently the fans were a handful over

2025
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:16,280
Speaker 1: the weekend, but I get it they're probably a little

2026
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 1: bit disappointed. We talked going into the weekend about all

2027
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 1: that goes into the Final Four in terms of the

2028
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:26,240
Speaker 1: preparation from the training standpoint and getting all of the

2029
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 1: medical personnel in place. Ralph Rief joining us now on

2030
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 1: the program, and Ralph I didn't anticipate necessarily when we

2031
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 1: were talking to you would that there would be Final

2032
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: Four injuries for the championship game to talk about, but

2033
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:43,800
Speaker 1: in fact, there are. And I'm going to begin with

2034
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: Michigan's star player, outstanding talent and jax O Lineborg, who

2035
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 1: essentially I believe it was an ankle that he rolled

2036
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,680
Speaker 1: kind of kind of rolled it when he was landing awkwardly.

2037
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,519
Speaker 1: You could see that he tried to walk off. I

2038
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 1: have always felt, at least for me Ralph Reeve, the

2039
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: thought is, when you have a sprained ankle, he's got

2040
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 1: to keep walking on it. Don't let it tighten up,

2041
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 1: keep walking on it. That's probably ill advised. I don't

2042
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 1: know what would you estimate. Would it be, would be

2043
01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:15,920
Speaker 1: the treatment that he has undergone in the last you know,

2044
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,000
Speaker 1: thirty six hours.

2045
01:51:18,360 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 7: Well, Jake, it's good to be with you.

2046
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:23,599
Speaker 12: And I would say, well, I know treatment has been

2047
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 12: extensive and as well at the same time, you want

2048
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:36,040
Speaker 12: to balance it with not not overdoing it. So you know,

2049
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 12: he's got talented medical personnel around him. He has an

2050
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 12: agent that has people he is consulting with.

2051
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:46,400
Speaker 7: I'm sure.

2052
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 12: So there's no lack of advice that's funneling into the

2053
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 12: hands on personnel with him. So probably some type of

2054
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:00,120
Speaker 12: immobilization or at least reducing the number of reps of

2055
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 12: going to the hotel, back to the bus, down to

2056
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:07,600
Speaker 12: the dining rooms, et cetera. So keeping his reps minimum

2057
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 12: and yeah, being very active boy, the the MRIs have

2058
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:15,160
Speaker 12: been spinning here in Indianapolis this weekend.

2059
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:20,959
Speaker 1: Now, the injury itself, you know, he hurt his knee,

2060
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 1: and then also the you know, he has a sprained

2061
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,680
Speaker 1: MCL on his left knee and an injured ankle. And

2062
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:31,599
Speaker 1: now I would assume that perhaps sometimes one can kind

2063
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: of lend itself to the other. We've talked about that

2064
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: before Ralph. But are these injuries and then I heard

2065
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,840
Speaker 1: bone bruise also for him, and I'm talking about for Lindenborg,

2066
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 1: are these injuries that I'll take The knee is tricky,

2067
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: but a sprainednkle, for example, if you do a course

2068
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: like what is the treatment and can it worsen or

2069
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 1: is it simply a matter of how much can you tolerate?

2070
01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's a loaded question and a very compressed window

2071
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 12: of time and making a lot of speculation here.

2072
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:06,040
Speaker 7: So let's go with the ankle.

2073
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 12: Let's let's let's address two.

2074
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 7: Injuries, his knee and his ankle.

2075
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:14,320
Speaker 12: The ankle I suspect, I know he has injured that

2076
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:19,719
Speaker 12: ankle previously had some issues, small issues throughout the season.

2077
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 12: But when an ankle, when you sprain the ankle and

2078
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:29,720
Speaker 12: you twist it. What keeps it from twisting all the

2079
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 12: way around is that it runs into another bone, so

2080
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 12: it's bone on bone. So it's very common to get

2081
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 12: a bruise within the ankle joint. How severe is the issue,

2082
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:48,679
Speaker 12: and so I would suspect that the opportunity to make

2083
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:52,840
Speaker 12: it worse tonight, speaking purely of the ankle, would be

2084
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 12: really difficult to do. He's going to be well taped, braced,

2085
01:53:57,000 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 12: ready to go. From that standpoint of stability is not

2086
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 12: going to be the issue. It goes back to our

2087
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 12: quarterback with the Colts. You know, stability or keeping the

2088
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 12: achilles in good position wasn't the issue. It was all

2089
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:17,600
Speaker 12: the repetitions of trying to be who you can be

2090
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 12: with that limitation. So tonight it's a pain management game

2091
01:54:22,360 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 12: for the medical staff and for this athlete. It's going

2092
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 12: to be how do they manage his pain? And there's

2093
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:32,000
Speaker 12: so many good ways of doing that, whether it's things

2094
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 12: you can buy over the shelf like voltaurin or other

2095
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 12: kinds of creams and gels, to prescriptive medicines that's an

2096
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 12: anti inflammatory as well as a bit of a neurologic

2097
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 12: numbing agent that you can put on superficially. All of

2098
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 12: those things are things I've used, and there's ways of

2099
01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 12: administering that those medicines, so it gets sort of penetrated

2100
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 12: into the body using electrical currents and so forth, very

2101
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 12: very comfortable treatments, but there's lots of ways to administer

2102
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:09,080
Speaker 12: pain reduction.

2103
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: Ralphrief is my guest, of course, ralphreef dot com and

2104
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 1: re executive Performance Solutions, long time athletic trainer, the best

2105
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:20,880
Speaker 1: of the best when it comes to that area of expertise.

2106
01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:23,360
Speaker 1: Ralph on the other side of things for Connecticut, I

2107
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about in the case of solo ball,

2108
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 1: his foot has been his left foot in a walking boot,

2109
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:32,240
Speaker 1: essentially a tweak if you want to call it that.

2110
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: Where he said he got through it with adrenaline. Now,

2111
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 1: when you have the adrenaline you have an injury, adrenaline

2112
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 1: carries you through, let's say, to the remainder of the

2113
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: game where you just you block it out. Can you

2114
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 1: recapture that adrenaline after a day when you go out

2115
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 1: and try to play on it again, or is that

2116
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 1: kind of a body's instant shock of defense mechanism that

2117
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 1: can't be recaptured.

2118
01:55:58,160 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 7: Great question Jake.

2119
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 12: And the advantage of when you're playing and have the

2120
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 12: injury and you continue to play due to the so

2121
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 12: called adrenaline is that your body and all of your

2122
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 12: systems are at full filt.

2123
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 7: You know, you're warm, you've activated, you've.

2124
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 12: Been up and down the floor, you've sort of acclimatized

2125
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:19,879
Speaker 12: to the environment tonight.

2126
01:56:19,960 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 7: He's got to work into that, and.

2127
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 12: So you have to push past the discomfort to get

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Speaker 12: to that zone.

2129
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 7: And can he get there?

2130
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:33,360
Speaker 12: I suspect so with seventy thousand people cheering and on

2131
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:36,400
Speaker 12: that elevated floor and so forth. Again, his issue is

2132
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 12: going to be managing pain. And these are the kinds

2133
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 12: of things both these injuries that we're talking about. From

2134
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:47,839
Speaker 12: an athletic trainer's perspective, you sort of live for these moments.

2135
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:51,720
Speaker 12: I mean, you hate for injuries to occur, but man,

2136
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:55,160
Speaker 12: you talk about the opportunity to help somebody and help

2137
01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 12: an entire institution with your skill set and so forth.

2138
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 12: I bet both athletic turners are having the time of

2139
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:07,120
Speaker 12: their life from a pride standpoint, and again, having so

2140
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 12: many things to take care of.

2141
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:11,120
Speaker 7: Both these injuries are.

2142
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:14,200
Speaker 12: Pain management, So how can they manage the pain with

2143
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 12: that and take care of their stability of the knee

2144
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,320
Speaker 12: and the ankle and the foot.

2145
01:57:20,360 --> 01:57:23,600
Speaker 3: With Solo Ball Ralph, both of these guys, Jaxel, Lindeborg

2146
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:27,000
Speaker 3: and Solo Ball are probably not wanting to come out

2147
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 3: of the game because once they get going, they they

2148
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:30,480
Speaker 3: probably don't want to come off the floor and be

2149
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 3: they don't want to stiffen up because their major injury.

2150
01:57:32,760 --> 01:57:35,800
Speaker 3: So if they do come off the floor tonight, how

2151
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 3: much time do you expect them to sit on the

2152
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 3: bench versus going over there, sitting down for maybe a

2153
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,840
Speaker 3: minute or two and getting on that stationary bike just

2154
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:45,920
Speaker 3: to keep the blood flowing so that it doesn't stiff

2155
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 3: enough and cause any more you know, issues moving forward

2156
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 3: throughout the later stages.

2157
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 1: Of the game.

2158
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:53,480
Speaker 12: Yeah, it is just going to say, look at both

2159
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:58,120
Speaker 12: benches tonight. They'll have stationary bikes there for sure, and

2160
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 12: as well as maybe some hot pack to put over

2161
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 12: the top of the shoe and and in the case

2162
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:08,880
Speaker 12: of Exel, putting on his knee. So you want to

2163
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:14,080
Speaker 12: keep things warm as once you stay warm, and so

2164
01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 12: again it's it's that's where the feedback from the player

2165
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 12: to the to the coach who makes the decision when

2166
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:26,040
Speaker 12: they go in and out. It really becomes that conversation

2167
01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:29,320
Speaker 12: because your medical staff at that point has said green light,

2168
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 12: let's go, and then it's up to your strategies and

2169
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 12: what's working well for you. So time on the bench

2170
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 12: is really going to be dictated like any game, what's

2171
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,240
Speaker 12: the strategy, how's that player performing?

2172
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 7: What do we need in the moment?

2173
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:48,800
Speaker 1: Ralph Lastly, I wanted to speak to the humanitarian aspect

2174
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:54,640
Speaker 1: of it because scientifically speaking, you know, professionally speaking, when

2175
01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:59,280
Speaker 1: you're a trainer, you're looking at it from a biological standpoint.

2176
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:01,680
Speaker 1: I have a ligament here that needs this, I have

2177
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 1: a bone here that needs that. But it is all

2178
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:08,440
Speaker 1: intertwined on the inside of an athlete who this is

2179
01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:11,120
Speaker 1: their one shining moment. In some cases, this is what

2180
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 1: they've worked for their whole life and suddenly now just

2181
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 1: through fate to some extent, as a trainer, their fate

2182
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:23,800
Speaker 1: somewhat rests in their mind, in your hands and in

2183
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 1: your work. The responsibility of that, while I would assume

2184
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:32,680
Speaker 1: is a tremendous honor, and also I would think can

2185
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:37,000
Speaker 1: be very emotionally conflicting. Was that a challenge in your career?

2186
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:42,839
Speaker 7: Never you an athletic trainer.

2187
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 12: You absolutely know where the lion is and you absolutely

2188
01:59:49,400 --> 01:59:52,400
Speaker 12: know where the emotions are. You can go back and

2189
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:58,400
Speaker 12: look at volumes of Butler basketball videotape and watch the

2190
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:03,280
Speaker 12: bench and watch me. Everybody's cheering, and I'm just sitting

2191
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:07,960
Speaker 12: there watching, unemotional in the moment of what might happen,

2192
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:12,720
Speaker 12: what's going on, watching player movements, watching what's going on. Now,

2193
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 12: everybody gets a little excited. I have a friend at Duke.

2194
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:17,080
Speaker 12: He sits on the end of their bench. He gets

2195
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:20,400
Speaker 12: a little excited, but he's also laser focused.

2196
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:21,000
Speaker 7: On what needs to be done.

2197
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:25,800
Speaker 12: The athletic trainer at Duke, and so it does not

2198
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:31,080
Speaker 12: become a conflict, and the athletic trainer the team physician

2199
02:00:31,240 --> 02:00:35,720
Speaker 12: work very closely as a group. You certainly get input

2200
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:41,480
Speaker 12: from mom, dad, agent and other people who might be

2201
02:00:41,600 --> 02:00:46,680
Speaker 12: in that inner circle, but the medical decision does not

2202
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 12: get caught up in the game that it is and

2203
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:54,080
Speaker 12: so forth. In other words, you're not going to make

2204
02:00:54,120 --> 02:00:57,120
Speaker 12: any less of a medical decision. The only thing that

2205
02:00:57,160 --> 02:00:59,280
Speaker 12: comes into it. And we talked about this all the time.

2206
02:00:59,320 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 12: I would go to co coaches and say, boy, we

2207
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:05,280
Speaker 12: better limit minutes tonight. Now, if this was Game seven,

2208
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:09,480
Speaker 12: we wouldn't limit minutes. And so why do we say that.

2209
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Speaker 12: We say it because tomorrow we don't.

2210
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 7: Have to get ready for another game.

2211
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:15,760
Speaker 1: Right, You're guaranteed time off, Right.

2212
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:20,400
Speaker 12: We're guaranteed recovery time, absolutely, Jacob. And just think of

2213
02:01:20,840 --> 02:01:24,360
Speaker 12: already this month as players, as their seasons are ending,

2214
02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 12: how many are lined up for elective surgeries and et cetera,

2215
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 12: et cetera.

2216
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:32,600
Speaker 7: Because you were able to get to the end of

2217
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 7: the season.

2218
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:37,640
Speaker 12: So tonight you're able to push the limits because you

2219
02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:39,920
Speaker 12: don't have to prepare for tomorrow's game.

2220
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:43,320
Speaker 1: Ralph, look forward to talking to you soon and catching

2221
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:45,280
Speaker 1: up because I want to kind of get as we

2222
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:48,120
Speaker 1: get into the NBA postseason, in particular, you know the

2223
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 1: story with Luca and going overseas and different things, and

2224
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 1: then also just kind of keeping an eye on where

2225
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:55,680
Speaker 1: the Pacers may be as their season wraps up. It's

2226
02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:57,640
Speaker 1: always a good conversation. Would love to have you back

2227
02:01:57,680 --> 02:01:58,280
Speaker 1: on for all of that.

2228
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:00,640
Speaker 7: Okay, you take care of.

2229
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,760
Speaker 1: Yourselves, Appreciate it. Ralph Free joining us on the program again.

2230
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 1: National Championship Game tonight Michigan is involved a guy that

2231
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:10,720
Speaker 1: was in one shining moment for the Wolverines, and he

2232
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:12,960
Speaker 1: is back in Indiana going to the game tonight, but

2233
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:16,200
Speaker 1: going to join us to talk about it next. How

2234
02:02:16,200 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 1: many people living in the Indianapolis metropolitan area do you

2235
02:02:21,320 --> 02:02:23,680
Speaker 1: think can say that they made it into one shining

2236
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:27,480
Speaker 1: moment currently living in India. I mean there have been

2237
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:29,680
Speaker 1: IU players and Purdue players that have made their in

2238
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 1: Butler obviously players. I mean there's probably what fifteen total

2239
02:02:33,320 --> 02:02:36,440
Speaker 1: something like that. One of those joins us on the

2240
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:39,600
Speaker 1: program now, of course, he was a starter of seventy

2241
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 1: five games for the Michigan Wolverines between two thousand and

2242
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 1: eight and twenty twelve. Native of Carmel, Stu Douglas joining

2243
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:48,440
Speaker 1: us on the program. Stu, you fired up. You're paint

2244
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:49,320
Speaker 1: in your face right now.

2245
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 4: Not quite in the face painting stage, but yeah, fired

2246
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:54,440
Speaker 4: up State the least.

2247
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:57,720
Speaker 1: You have gone to and attended in the last let's say,

2248
02:02:57,720 --> 02:03:01,320
Speaker 1: three years, because I know some guys, some guys are like, hey,

2249
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:03,720
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. It was a great place to play basketball.

2250
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:07,120
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the school, but you know, life, I'm doing

2251
02:03:07,160 --> 02:03:09,240
Speaker 1: other things. Other guys are, you know, they're there with

2252
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:12,160
Speaker 1: pom poms every weekend. How much have you stayed in

2253
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:15,640
Speaker 1: touch with and or followed Michigan basketball the last few

2254
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:16,680
Speaker 1: years I.

2255
02:03:16,720 --> 02:03:18,400
Speaker 4: Was, I mean the last few years when it was

2256
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:20,640
Speaker 4: really picked up for me. I was overseas for nine years,

2257
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 4: so I had to miss the twenty thirteen Final four

2258
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:24,560
Speaker 4: run and chils An eighteen Final four run, and I

2259
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 4: had to live vicariously through my teammates. So to actually

2260
02:03:27,960 --> 02:03:30,000
Speaker 4: be able to go to the Funnel four and let

2261
02:03:30,040 --> 02:03:33,680
Speaker 4: alone have it in my backyard is extra special. And

2262
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:36,440
Speaker 4: there was some emotions and some words I won't say

2263
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:37,839
Speaker 4: on the radio that will come out of me on Saturday

2264
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:40,160
Speaker 4: and not expect. So it's been it's been really cool

2265
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:40,960
Speaker 4: to participate in it.

2266
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Speaker 1: Now you are going tonight, correct? Oh of course, Okay.

2267
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:48,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to know when you when you look at

2268
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:51,920
Speaker 1: this game and you know, and obviously Connecticut has been outstanding.

2269
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the probably the premiere program in college

2270
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 1: basketball right now. And it's weird to think that a

2271
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:58,520
Speaker 1: team could be an underdog because there are a two seed.

2272
02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:01,080
Speaker 1: It's not like there're an eight seat Cinderella here, right,

2273
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:05,840
Speaker 1: But when you look at this game, what I'll start

2274
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:10,120
Speaker 1: it on this side? What area do you believe Connecticut

2275
02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:13,400
Speaker 1: could take advantage of at Michigan. What's an achilles heel

2276
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:15,880
Speaker 1: about Michigan that you look at and say that's where

2277
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:17,040
Speaker 1: they may be susceptible.

2278
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:20,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Yukon's movement. It's been Michigan's achilles heal the

2279
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 4: whole time, Like Nebraska almost had them at home without

2280
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 4: their big guy because of their movement and their three

2281
02:04:26,440 --> 02:04:29,280
Speaker 4: point shooting ability. Now, Yukon's not been shooting it super

2282
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:32,480
Speaker 4: great as of late, but Michigan likes to switch a

2283
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:35,040
Speaker 4: lot one through four and y Kond never stops running

2284
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:37,040
Speaker 4: and can create some issues where like if you're half

2285
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:39,640
Speaker 4: steps slow on that switch, you can find a man

2286
02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:42,560
Speaker 4: open and or you can create a mismatch with tears

2287
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:45,000
Speaker 4: down low. Maybe if a dye has to come out

2288
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:48,000
Speaker 4: onto a perimeter player to close out. So if they

2289
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:50,720
Speaker 4: can stay attached and switch efficiently or come up with

2290
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 4: similar tactics to stop their movement. Because Yukon I was

2291
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:58,080
Speaker 4: talking to somebody else earlier today, their practice must be intense,

2292
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:01,000
Speaker 4: to say the least, because there's facing and timing is

2293
02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:04,920
Speaker 4: almost flawless, and that takes rep after rep after rep,

2294
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 4: and so they're going to do what they do really well,

2295
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:08,880
Speaker 4: which is continue to move and they never stop. And

2296
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:11,920
Speaker 4: so Michigan, if they can switch well, they can defend

2297
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:14,160
Speaker 4: really well and force them inside. And maybe he's force

2298
02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:17,000
Speaker 4: some tough twos and get some block shots. But that's

2299
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:17,920
Speaker 4: been there, Achilles Hill, all.

2300
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:21,040
Speaker 1: Year you played for John Beeline, who obviously you know

2301
02:05:21,080 --> 02:05:24,120
Speaker 1: it goes without saying he is clearly a brilliant basketball coach.

2302
02:05:24,960 --> 02:05:27,160
Speaker 1: What has jumped out at you from what you've been

2303
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:31,520
Speaker 1: able to observe about Dusty May and the preparation that

2304
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 1: he does for his team going into a game.

2305
02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:40,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's the flexibility in their preparation. We

2306
02:05:40,640 --> 02:05:42,760
Speaker 4: what what coach b was always good at is being

2307
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:45,720
Speaker 4: able to like take the building team's best player. And

2308
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:47,400
Speaker 4: me and him had a lot of collaboration on that

2309
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:48,920
Speaker 4: because a lot of preimeter players that I had to

2310
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:52,360
Speaker 4: guard and said, all right today, coach, let's let's trap

2311
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:54,760
Speaker 4: these screens or if he gives it up, we're cutting

2312
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,280
Speaker 4: off the head of snake. We're just gonna deny. I

2313
02:05:56,320 --> 02:05:58,440
Speaker 4: was a Taylor Battle type strategy, like we're not even

2314
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:01,520
Speaker 4: to let him get it back. And I think Dusty

2315
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 4: kind of has that flexibility there like it sticked out

2316
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:08,320
Speaker 4: to me what he did with Elliott and throwing lobs

2317
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:09,960
Speaker 4: against Arizona, and they're like, all right, I don't know

2318
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:11,720
Speaker 4: if we're gonna be able to throw this lob exactly,

2319
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:13,879
Speaker 4: but I trust in you to throw off the backboard.

2320
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 4: If you can get Rebus to help you throw off

2321
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:17,720
Speaker 4: the backboard as a de facto lob and a dialgo

2322
02:06:17,720 --> 02:06:19,000
Speaker 4: get it. And that's exactly what they did on the

2323
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:22,360
Speaker 4: first possession. So to have that trust in your player

2324
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:24,520
Speaker 4: to execute something like that that they haven't done all

2325
02:06:24,600 --> 02:06:28,600
Speaker 4: year is I can't put into words how cool that is, Stu.

2326
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:32,120
Speaker 1: I have an inability or a weakness. I should say.

2327
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:34,440
Speaker 1: One of the weaknesses that I have, probably as a

2328
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:38,400
Speaker 1: broadcaster really in general, is that when sometimes I hyper

2329
02:06:38,600 --> 02:06:41,720
Speaker 1: fixate on something, right, I get an observation or an opinion,

2330
02:06:41,720 --> 02:06:43,400
Speaker 1: and I hyper fixate on it. And this is one

2331
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:45,000
Speaker 1: of those that I'm worried about. So I need you

2332
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:48,200
Speaker 1: to calm me down and talk me off the ledge here. Perfect,

2333
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:50,720
Speaker 1: But there has been a lot of discussion on this,

2334
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:53,720
Speaker 1: and that is for somebody who is a shooter, like

2335
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:54,440
Speaker 1: you are a shooter.

2336
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:57,839
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I heard you talking about this earlier.

2337
02:06:57,960 --> 02:07:01,320
Speaker 1: Okay, my off base here of fascinated by I And

2338
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:04,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is I had heard this.

2339
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is if this is fact

2340
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:11,000
Speaker 1: or embellishment. The Dusty may actually had Michigan shooting outdoors

2341
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:14,040
Speaker 1: in the Big House to acclimate to the depth perception

2342
02:07:14,360 --> 02:07:18,520
Speaker 1: of a dome versus an arena. Is this am I

2343
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 1: off base with my wild theory here or is there

2344
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: some truth to that?

2345
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:27,040
Speaker 4: I think it's somewhere in between. I think I've heard

2346
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:29,400
Speaker 4: people talk about the shooting percent just go down the tournament.

2347
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:34,360
Speaker 4: I also think that's just like typerer ends that the tournament, right, Yeah, yeah,

2348
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:37,640
Speaker 4: it's it's not easy to shoot with such high pressure

2349
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:40,600
Speaker 4: on you at all times. But I don't know they

2350
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:43,040
Speaker 4: would say that about Pro Arenas, and I never really

2351
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:45,280
Speaker 4: had an issue with pro Arenas. I think maybe just

2352
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:48,080
Speaker 4: getting used to his space. Maybe it's one of those

2353
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:50,600
Speaker 4: things where it's like a placebo effect, like some people

2354
02:07:50,600 --> 02:07:52,200
Speaker 4: tell you it's an issue and then you go in like,

2355
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:54,040
Speaker 4: oh my god, am I going to go miss three

2356
02:07:54,240 --> 02:07:57,600
Speaker 4: threes in a row. So yeah, any practice always helps

2357
02:07:57,640 --> 02:08:00,400
Speaker 4: us to get admitted to like a certain arena type.

2358
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:03,080
Speaker 4: And I'll have to defer to some former teammates who

2359
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:05,000
Speaker 4: play on that two thirteen team, and they said it

2360
02:08:05,000 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 4: was a little weird, but it was also a guy

2361
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:08,600
Speaker 4: who never shot threes or anything past the team foot

2362
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:10,480
Speaker 4: or elane would have taken them out. So take that

2363
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:12,240
Speaker 4: for what you will. But I think it's somewhere in between.

2364
02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the reality is to a shooter, you

2365
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:17,560
Speaker 1: get a couple of shots in you and you get that,

2366
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:19,320
Speaker 1: you get the vision of it, and then you're kind

2367
02:08:19,320 --> 02:08:22,080
Speaker 1: of in rhythm. Right. But yeah, but and it's probably

2368
02:08:22,080 --> 02:08:24,880
Speaker 1: no different than playing outdoors. And a lot of guys

2369
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:27,080
Speaker 1: have played outdoors, right, And you play pick up ball,

2370
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 1: and you used to go to Lawrence North all the

2371
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:30,600
Speaker 1: time play pick up ball, and you're you know, you're

2372
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:34,000
Speaker 1: shooting in the wide open. Now. I will tell you this, though, Stu.

2373
02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:36,600
Speaker 1: You get me somewhere shooting where there's no net on

2374
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:38,760
Speaker 1: the rim. That completely throws me off. I don't know,

2375
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:40,160
Speaker 1: why do it weird?

2376
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:43,040
Speaker 4: I'm with you, Yeah, I almost refuse. I'm a big

2377
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:43,680
Speaker 4: snob that way.

2378
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, partially because you also never know where the

2379
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:47,880
Speaker 1: ball is going to. And then you get like twenty

2380
02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:51,400
Speaker 1: people debating about whether it actually did go through right, yep,

2381
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:56,160
Speaker 1: you know it becomes the whole thing. No, this particular

2382
02:08:56,240 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 1: playing in the tournament. Stu Douglas is my guest, former

2383
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 1: Michigan Wolverine. Play in the tournament itself, you know you

2384
02:09:02,280 --> 02:09:05,000
Speaker 1: went to a sweet sixteen. I know you guys did that.

2385
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 1: I think it's an eight seed. So you kind of

2386
02:09:06,920 --> 02:09:10,360
Speaker 1: had one of those runs our tournament games. Just in

2387
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:13,800
Speaker 1: terms of the juice itself, how many times down the

2388
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:16,840
Speaker 1: floor do you take before everything where the game kind

2389
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 1: of slows down for you.

2390
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 4: It's a great question. Never really does because with Belind

2391
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:26,960
Speaker 4: in particular, it was possession by possession. I mean you

2392
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:28,520
Speaker 4: had to move on the next possession, Like you made

2393
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:30,480
Speaker 4: a mistake, you got to move on and you cannot

2394
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:34,240
Speaker 4: let it drag you down. So there really was no thinking,

2395
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:37,280
Speaker 4: which was good in a way. You just had to

2396
02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:40,720
Speaker 4: worry about whatever your game plan was offensively, defensively, So

2397
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:43,280
Speaker 4: to take it all in not much. I mean there

2398
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:46,080
Speaker 4: was a couple of moments there, maybe on the negative side,

2399
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:48,400
Speaker 4: where like break Blake Griffin was dunking all over us

2400
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,600
Speaker 4: my freshman year and it was like this is a

2401
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:53,160
Speaker 4: little bit different of a level for us, we have

2402
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:54,880
Speaker 4: not quite seen this in the big and then I mean,

2403
02:09:54,880 --> 02:09:57,160
Speaker 4: that's Blake Griffin. No one else really saw another play

2404
02:09:57,320 --> 02:09:59,400
Speaker 4: like that in the country. So there's some moments like

2405
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,720
Speaker 4: that that are a real But you're so tuned in,

2406
02:10:04,160 --> 02:10:05,680
Speaker 4: and maybe I'm just that type of guy where like

2407
02:10:05,680 --> 02:10:07,440
Speaker 4: I would just try and say even keeled and tuned

2408
02:10:07,480 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 4: in and didn't really let myself like take in the

2409
02:10:09,240 --> 02:10:11,680
Speaker 4: crowd too much, which you know, hindsight twenty twenty would

2410
02:10:11,720 --> 02:10:12,960
Speaker 4: have been a little more fun to be that type

2411
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:15,480
Speaker 4: of player, But you're you're so locked in it it's

2412
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:16,240
Speaker 4: hard to really do that.

2413
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:18,960
Speaker 1: Who was the most locked in player you either played

2414
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:23,040
Speaker 1: with or against? Allegiately locked locked in?

2415
02:10:24,440 --> 02:10:26,360
Speaker 4: There was a couple of dogs, as we like to

2416
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:28,760
Speaker 4: call them. Evan Turner was just absurd. I mean, to

2417
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:32,240
Speaker 4: guard him at sixty sixty sixty seven point guard he

2418
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:35,120
Speaker 4: posts you up, he'd shoot over you, he'd cross you up,

2419
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,240
Speaker 4: he'd get all boards on you, he'd throw dimes. You

2420
02:10:38,280 --> 02:10:41,280
Speaker 4: couldn't trap him, you couldn't hedge him. It was he

2421
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:43,920
Speaker 4: was ridiculous to guard agains. I will forever say that

2422
02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:47,000
Speaker 4: those are house state teams. They should have achieved a

2423
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:48,680
Speaker 4: lot more let's put it that way. Not to talk trash.

2424
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:50,560
Speaker 4: I just I thought that's that's how good they were.

2425
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:51,480
Speaker 6: Uh.

2426
02:10:51,560 --> 02:10:53,440
Speaker 1: The guy that did talk the most trash was who

2427
02:10:55,200 --> 02:10:55,360
Speaker 1: you know.

2428
02:10:55,400 --> 02:10:57,280
Speaker 4: It's funny I always to that as well. Everyone always

2429
02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:59,280
Speaker 4: says that my buddies, we'd recollect on this. And guys

2430
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:01,400
Speaker 4: that I know played, I like Draymond talked a lot

2431
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:04,040
Speaker 4: of trash and he was always confident. And Michigan State

2432
02:11:04,040 --> 02:11:05,920
Speaker 4: players are always ones we heard the most because they

2433
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:08,200
Speaker 4: are always those quotes are always cuot. They were, you know,

2434
02:11:08,240 --> 02:11:10,320
Speaker 4: forty five minutes down the road of East Lansing, so

2435
02:11:10,360 --> 02:11:13,600
Speaker 4: we heard those quotes the most. But the big tens

2436
02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:18,120
Speaker 4: kind of I wouldn't say oppressed or suppressed, but not

2437
02:11:18,200 --> 02:11:20,360
Speaker 4: a lot of trash talkers. But I say Michigan State

2438
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:21,040
Speaker 4: was definitely the.

2439
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:24,640
Speaker 1: Tops you after you were playing at Michigan stud Douglas's

2440
02:11:24,680 --> 02:11:27,920
Speaker 1: my guest. You played professionally predominantly in Israel. But if

2441
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, did you play in Pomplona, Spain? I did, yeah,

2442
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:35,960
Speaker 1: And I know that this is kind of become more

2443
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:38,560
Speaker 1: of a pass thing in certain regions of Spain, but

2444
02:11:38,640 --> 02:11:41,000
Speaker 1: Pomplona would not be won where this is the case,

2445
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:42,680
Speaker 1: did you do the running of the bulls? I've heard

2446
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 1: that a bullfight is actually like pretty disturbing to watch,

2447
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:46,520
Speaker 1: But did you ever do the running of the bulls?

2448
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:47,280
Speaker 8: No?

2449
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:47,760
Speaker 1: I never do.

2450
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:49,720
Speaker 4: Think it's in the summer. I don't think I was

2451
02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:51,360
Speaker 4: there yet, and then I had left by the time

2452
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:54,080
Speaker 4: it would have rolled around the next summer. So no,

2453
02:11:54,240 --> 02:11:56,520
Speaker 4: And there really wasn't too many remnants of it. You're

2454
02:11:56,520 --> 02:11:58,640
Speaker 4: walk you like you do it here, like in the city,

2455
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:01,400
Speaker 4: They're like yeah, and then like nothing thing looks set

2456
02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:03,160
Speaker 4: up for it, like what do you do with the windows?

2457
02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:05,160
Speaker 4: And so yeah, it was it was odd to walk

2458
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:06,440
Speaker 4: to the city and be like, yep, this is where

2459
02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:07,800
Speaker 4: you do it, but never got to experience.

2460
02:12:08,080 --> 02:12:12,040
Speaker 1: So it is the bullfighting culture still prevalent in that

2461
02:12:12,160 --> 02:12:14,160
Speaker 1: area or is that like the one area where it's

2462
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:17,120
Speaker 1: like well traditionally speaking, one week in the year, yes,

2463
02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 1: but the rest of the year it's not a big deal.

2464
02:12:19,240 --> 02:12:20,840
Speaker 4: I feel like it was in certain areas. I don't

2465
02:12:20,840 --> 02:12:22,240
Speaker 4: think it was there, And I remember even hat like

2466
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:27,560
Speaker 4: the bus stops seeing anti bullfighting ads up, and so

2467
02:12:27,600 --> 02:12:29,760
Speaker 4: I think it was dying down from what they had

2468
02:12:29,800 --> 02:12:32,080
Speaker 4: told me, But it definitely was not talked about so

2469
02:12:32,200 --> 02:12:32,480
Speaker 4: that way.

2470
02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:35,760
Speaker 1: Okay. Lastly, when you played for a program that gets

2471
02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:37,919
Speaker 1: to the Final four, and in particular in your hometown,

2472
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:41,880
Speaker 1: one would assume because you were, like I said, you

2473
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:44,560
Speaker 1: started seventy five games for Michigan, you played there for

2474
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:46,960
Speaker 1: four years, one would assume that that means that you

2475
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:49,560
Speaker 1: basically just call and say, let me know where I

2476
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:51,920
Speaker 1: need to pick up my tickets. But a lot of

2477
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:54,480
Speaker 1: people have played basketball at Michigan or for whatever school

2478
02:12:54,520 --> 02:12:57,480
Speaker 1: it may be. What is the protocol? How does it work? Yeah?

2479
02:12:57,480 --> 02:12:59,320
Speaker 4: I don't know when I can and cannot say. I

2480
02:12:59,320 --> 02:13:01,200
Speaker 4: know we put in our take your request in the open.

2481
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:03,840
Speaker 4: And then from what I understand, Dusty has done a

2482
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:06,240
Speaker 4: very good job of taking care of basketball love.

2483
02:13:06,360 --> 02:13:09,760
Speaker 1: So the school really does get a certain allotment, right, yes, yes?

2484
02:13:10,080 --> 02:13:12,960
Speaker 4: And then in terms of where we get them, I

2485
02:13:12,960 --> 02:13:15,800
Speaker 4: guess you know is up to some people. And yeah,

2486
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,000
Speaker 4: all I can say is Dusty has done an incredible

2487
02:13:18,080 --> 02:13:21,320
Speaker 4: job of joining the generations together and making sure is

2488
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:23,880
Speaker 4: a big focus. I mean, he gives a time when

2489
02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:25,840
Speaker 4: he can, but when he can he does things like this,

2490
02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:28,560
Speaker 4: make sure O guys can show up with good seeds.

2491
02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 4: So yeah, We're forever grateful. I was already forever grateful

2492
02:13:31,480 --> 02:13:33,520
Speaker 4: before that, but it's cool to have that.

2493
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:36,600
Speaker 1: If Tim Hardaway Junior was put in charge of distributing

2494
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:38,120
Speaker 1: the tickets, would that be the first time that he

2495
02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:39,760
Speaker 1: actually passed things to everybody else?

2496
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:43,320
Speaker 4: Very good point, Chris, Yeah, that would be. He wouldn't

2497
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:44,520
Speaker 4: have to do with it. He'd pass up to me

2498
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:46,040
Speaker 4: to go, then go past it.

2499
02:13:46,240 --> 02:13:49,360
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, make sure to relegate that to somebody else.

2500
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:52,000
Speaker 1: All right. So what time does the pregaming begin for

2501
02:13:52,040 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 1: the Michigan alumni?

2502
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:57,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like five o'clock. I know there's a

2503
02:13:57,600 --> 02:13:59,120
Speaker 4: lot of people down there right now in any but

2504
02:13:59,160 --> 02:14:01,160
Speaker 4: it's a long I would not last. I'm not getting

2505
02:14:01,160 --> 02:14:02,000
Speaker 4: down at coup about five.

2506
02:14:02,280 --> 02:14:04,200
Speaker 1: Let's go. Well, that's still you got three hours and

2507
02:14:04,280 --> 02:14:07,080
Speaker 1: fifty minutes to get braced up and then, as the

2508
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:09,520
Speaker 1: former Michigan man said, to get looped up before the game,

2509
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:12,680
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady said, and then an eight point fifty tip,

2510
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:15,640
Speaker 1: at least tentatively, and then we will see if mister

2511
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:18,480
Speaker 1: Brightside is ringing through the streets of Indianapolis from Lucas

2512
02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:21,760
Speaker 1: Oil Stadium later tonight. Stu enjoy it. Appreciate the time

2513
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:22,880
Speaker 1: tonight and certainly enjoy it.

2514
02:14:22,920 --> 02:14:24,600
Speaker 4: All right, thank youks, forget it.

2515
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:27,200
Speaker 1: It's Stu Douglas joining us on the program. We'll come back,

2516
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:29,040
Speaker 1: put a tie on all of it. See what J

2517
02:14:29,160 --> 02:14:32,200
Speaker 1: Andv's got cooking. He's at Hyatt Place downtown Indy. Good

2518
02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:34,600
Speaker 1: looking day for the National Championship. We'll catch up with

2519
02:14:34,640 --> 02:14:42,040
Speaker 1: John next. So Ronald Norid has his first commit since

2520
02:14:42,080 --> 02:14:45,280
Speaker 1: taking over the Butler program. And a lot of these

2521
02:14:45,320 --> 02:14:47,440
Speaker 1: teams and a lot of these schools are basically starting

2522
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:52,680
Speaker 1: from scratch when it comes to the roster and the

2523
02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:55,680
Speaker 1: transfer portal. And I hope I'm saying this name correctly.

2524
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:58,520
Speaker 1: Obviously it is one with which well become more familiar.

2525
02:14:59,400 --> 02:15:05,240
Speaker 1: I seem to do Vic who has played currently. And

2526
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:07,240
Speaker 1: this is again the way basketball is today. Right, twenty

2527
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:11,040
Speaker 1: year old Serbian forward averaging fourteen points five boards a

2528
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:13,920
Speaker 1: game in twenty eight minutes per contest for Mega super

2529
02:15:13,960 --> 02:15:20,040
Speaker 1: Bet and the Adriatic League. So Serbian forward has committed

2530
02:15:20,080 --> 02:15:26,520
Speaker 1: to Butler, the first commit for Ronald nored with the Bulldogs. Eddie,

2531
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:28,520
Speaker 1: did you say that you did any of the concerts?

2532
02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:30,520
Speaker 1: I know you were here working the Pacer game last night.

2533
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:33,800
Speaker 1: And my understanding is the concert venue just behind us

2534
02:15:33,800 --> 02:15:36,920
Speaker 1: here downtown was absolutely packed. Right, it was packed, Jake.

2535
02:15:37,400 --> 02:15:40,440
Speaker 3: I did not attend any concerts over the weekend, had

2536
02:15:40,440 --> 02:15:41,640
Speaker 3: to work pretty much all weekend.

2537
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:45,040
Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed that I should have known

2538
02:15:45,080 --> 02:15:47,040
Speaker 1: of this that I did not know of and or

2539
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:49,560
Speaker 1: go down to the Ferris Wheel. I wish I would

2540
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:52,600
Speaker 1: have known about the ferris wheel, which looked pretty cool.

2541
02:15:52,880 --> 02:15:54,800
Speaker 1: I also I don't know if it's still up. JMV

2542
02:15:54,920 --> 02:15:57,120
Speaker 1: may know this, John, Do you know? JMV is at

2543
02:15:57,160 --> 02:15:59,560
Speaker 1: Hyatt Place. Part of the crossover here brought to you

2544
02:15:59,560 --> 02:16:01,440
Speaker 1: by the Good that Love Heating and Air and official

2545
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:04,080
Speaker 1: Hell Heating and Cooling Dealer. There was a Final four

2546
02:16:04,120 --> 02:16:07,080
Speaker 1: pop up store of retro Final four gear down on

2547
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:09,680
Speaker 1: Virginia Avenue that open up for the weekend. Do you

2548
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:12,240
Speaker 1: know if it's still open today, John, I.

2549
02:16:12,160 --> 02:16:14,480
Speaker 5: Do not know, but somebody should be able to tell us, right,

2550
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:18,160
Speaker 5: somebody has a pretty good indicator ata of in and

2551
02:16:18,160 --> 02:16:20,800
Speaker 5: around Virginia Avenue. Like what type of retro stuff are

2552
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:23,800
Speaker 5: we talking about? Like all the ninety two one in

2553
02:16:23,880 --> 02:16:28,040
Speaker 5: Minneapolis where we had the IU and Cincinnati and the

2554
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:29,200
Speaker 5: Duke in the Michigan one.

2555
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:33,800
Speaker 1: So it's a pop up store that has t shirts, sweatshirts,

2556
02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:36,800
Speaker 1: hats and stickers and et cetera from each from each

2557
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:39,040
Speaker 1: of the final fours that have taken place here. So

2558
02:16:39,080 --> 02:16:43,520
Speaker 1: you could buy like nineteen eighty Louisville shorts or UNLV shorts,

2559
02:16:43,560 --> 02:16:45,840
Speaker 1: et cetera. Nice can you buy?

2560
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:51,440
Speaker 5: Can you buy nineteen ninety eight Dusty make khaki pants?

2561
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:54,160
Speaker 1: If we knock as the final four wasn't here then,

2562
02:16:54,200 --> 02:17:00,280
Speaker 1: but that'd be cool. Or twenty twenty Jim Harbaugh khaki pants. Right,

2563
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:05,800
Speaker 1: I did just a picture, Yes, Dusty Bay with his buddies, right, Yeah.

2564
02:17:05,800 --> 02:17:07,959
Speaker 5: I think Pastor Knak was one, right, that is uh

2565
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:11,600
Speaker 5: coaches he u se SB Joe Pass He was one

2566
02:17:11,600 --> 02:17:13,600
Speaker 5: of the guys in the in the four pictures. They

2567
02:17:13,640 --> 02:17:15,879
Speaker 5: looked like they're getting ready to do our taxes.

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02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:19,840
Speaker 1: Totally and they listen. They those managers at IU Man,

2569
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean they were locked in all the time. They

2570
02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:26,680
Speaker 1: they Ryan Carr being one of them, I mean the basket.

2571
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:29,520
Speaker 5: Ryan Carr didn't go out and party with Lawrence Frank

2572
02:17:29,560 --> 02:17:30,160
Speaker 5: all the time.

2573
02:17:30,760 --> 02:17:35,039
Speaker 1: Ryan Carr was usually eating pizzas with me, watching games

2574
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:38,720
Speaker 1: in our apartment in Jackson, Heights, the Lovely Jackson Heights. Yeah,

2575
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:42,320
Speaker 1: we were at all what do you guys do? Never?

2576
02:17:42,400 --> 02:17:47,240
Speaker 1: We were kind of recluses really yeah, I was. I

2577
02:17:47,240 --> 02:17:49,800
Speaker 1: don't know, like I because I think for me, John

2578
02:17:49,959 --> 02:17:51,680
Speaker 1: is because I had gone to North Central, so half

2579
02:17:51,720 --> 02:17:53,480
Speaker 1: of my high school was down there anyway. So I just,

2580
02:17:53,520 --> 02:17:56,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I was, I was social, but I was

2581
02:17:56,520 --> 02:17:58,879
Speaker 1: just kind of down there and like do what I

2582
02:17:58,879 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 1: had to do and get out kind of thing. It's

2583
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:01,720
Speaker 1: kind of crazy, right.

2584
02:18:02,600 --> 02:18:04,879
Speaker 5: I guess you weren't like me. I was just desperate

2585
02:18:04,879 --> 02:18:06,640
Speaker 5: for strange, I guess, right.

2586
02:18:08,720 --> 02:18:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean I did okay, but you know what I mean.

2587
02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:14,240
Speaker 5: I guess I guess that's the reason I had to

2588
02:18:14,320 --> 02:18:19,120
Speaker 5: keep doing it because I didn't do okay. Yeah, you

2589
02:18:19,160 --> 02:18:19,720
Speaker 5: know what I say.

2590
02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:21,640
Speaker 1: Though, Man, Jordan's last game as a Bowl he was

2591
02:18:21,640 --> 02:18:23,920
Speaker 1: seventeen to thirty seven from the floor. Nobody talks about

2592
02:18:23,959 --> 02:18:27,080
Speaker 1: the twenty he missed. Right, Oh Man, So Johnny, are

2593
02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:28,039
Speaker 1: you going to the game tonight?

2594
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:29,680
Speaker 3: I know you're fired up for it though, with it

2595
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:34,200
Speaker 3: and all I feel just the dustin Connections school.

2596
02:18:34,440 --> 02:18:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk. Here's what I'm gonna do.

2597
02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:39,360
Speaker 5: I've got passes to get in and I got a

2598
02:18:39,400 --> 02:18:42,520
Speaker 5: bunch of friends over there. I'm gonna walk down towards

2599
02:18:42,560 --> 02:18:46,840
Speaker 5: South Street. I parked underneath. I refuse to pay fifty

2600
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:49,400
Speaker 5: dollars with the parking refuse because I know I'll never

2601
02:18:49,440 --> 02:18:52,039
Speaker 5: see it again, right, No, I know I'm not gonna

2602
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:54,959
Speaker 5: get reimbursed for it, right at least I'm not gonna

2603
02:18:54,959 --> 02:18:57,680
Speaker 5: hold my breath, So I refuse to pay for it here.

2604
02:18:57,800 --> 02:18:59,920
Speaker 5: So I parked under I seventy So I'm gonna either

2605
02:19:00,600 --> 02:19:03,920
Speaker 5: walk that direction or walk to my vehicle. I'm gonna

2606
02:19:03,920 --> 02:19:06,120
Speaker 5: flip a coin when I get down there. Probably depends

2607
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:09,040
Speaker 5: on just how crowded it is, how tired I am.

2608
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:09,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2609
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:10,560
Speaker 5: That's a good question.

2610
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:11,680
Speaker 1: I do plan on it.

2611
02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:14,880
Speaker 5: I know that we'll have a ton of friends from

2612
02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:17,640
Speaker 5: GC down there too. Sure that also probably is going

2613
02:19:17,720 --> 02:19:18,240
Speaker 5: to play a role.

2614
02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty dark, it should be fun. And

2615
02:19:19,879 --> 02:19:22,200
Speaker 1: he talked about, hey, this is an area where basketball

2616
02:19:22,280 --> 02:19:24,360
Speaker 1: was so big growing up, and now here he is

2617
02:19:24,440 --> 02:19:26,039
Speaker 1: very cool. What's lined up on the big show at

2618
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:26,600
Speaker 1: Hyatt Place?

2619
02:19:27,879 --> 02:19:29,640
Speaker 5: I think Stephen Holder mentioned to me a little bit

2620
02:19:29,640 --> 02:19:31,800
Speaker 5: earlier He's going to actually stop by here at Hyatt

2621
02:19:31,800 --> 02:19:33,800
Speaker 5: Place with our friends from bud Lighte. That'd be great.

2622
02:19:33,800 --> 02:19:35,880
Speaker 5: A little bit later on and Tom Crean's going to

2623
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:40,119
Speaker 5: join us. The transfer portal opens tomorrow. Did you know, Jake,

2624
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:42,440
Speaker 5: that Indiana State has not one player or a man

2625
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:44,240
Speaker 5: from a team team.

2626
02:19:44,280 --> 02:19:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean they're not alone in that, right.

2627
02:19:46,959 --> 02:19:49,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, they stunk really bad, like she got rid of.

2628
02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:51,000
Speaker 5: I guess the bright side is you get rid of

2629
02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:52,959
Speaker 5: all the crap players, right, that's good.

2630
02:19:53,080 --> 02:19:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally start over right, literally.

2631
02:19:56,320 --> 02:19:57,360
Speaker 5: Rid all the guys that are bad.

2632
02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:59,640
Speaker 1: Literally, yeah, get out of here. It's it's you know,

2633
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:02,720
Speaker 1: it's like being a TV station in Indianapolis. They just

2634
02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:05,880
Speaker 1: start over from scratch, right, Yeah.

2635
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:08,960
Speaker 5: They just hoping the toilet's flash in the new place. Man,

2636
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:11,760
Speaker 5: that's all that matters there, that's right. You don't want

2637
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:15,080
Speaker 5: to hit that lever and nothing move, so don't want that.

2638
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:17,600
Speaker 5: And then you also like to get paid a couple

2639
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:19,480
Speaker 5: of times a month too, that'd be nice.

2640
02:20:19,240 --> 02:20:21,280
Speaker 1: That's right, all right, John, We will start out to

2641
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:24,160
Speaker 1: you here shortly and let you enjoy the festivities for

2642
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:27,040
Speaker 1: Green County as well as John will be live out

2643
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:30,480
Speaker 1: at Hyatt Place. We'll be back tomorrow to recap all

2644
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:32,560
Speaker 1: of it. Best of luck to Drew, and the Colleen

2645
02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:35,600
Speaker 1: in the Battle for the Coveted Query and Company numbers

2646
02:20:35,640 --> 02:20:38,560
Speaker 1: game victory. And I appreciate and thank you for listening

2647
02:20:38,600 --> 02:20:39,280
Speaker 1: to Quarrying Company