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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be the first time that I have some

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Speaker 1: for you, maybe not Eddie, because you had to produce

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Speaker 1: It's just so bizarre, right because yesterday we had the

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Speaker 2: We had forty eight hours ago.

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Speaker 2: But the biggest thing that I am saying is this

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Speaker 3: Then you're gonna have to throw out all these milk, milk, bread,

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Speaker 1: So everybody anticipates, like you're going to be homebound for

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Speaker 1: now now one of the things about me that's a

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Speaker 2: And my eyes are unbelievably sensitive to light, odd as

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Speaker 1: It's much better. How do I look like a douche?

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Speaker 1: Maybe so, but I'm just telling you. But tonight, Indiana Purdue. Okay, Now,

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Speaker 1: neither one of these two teams coming into it needs

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Speaker 1: But there's one area of susceptibility for Purdue that Indiana

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Speaker 3: Eleven thirty? Okay, that's if it starts on time.

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Speaker 2: If you live on the north side of indy hour

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Speaker 2: One thirty am.

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Speaker 1: I could say, honestly, I could see a lot of

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Speaker 1: for saying that, because, like Jake, it's how you Purdue.

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Speaker 1: I get it. I totally get it. I remember when

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Speaker 1: Indiana and Purdue played. Can you look this up for me, Eddie, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Had four losses. They were thirty four.

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Speaker 1: They lost to Vanderbilt, they lost in Illinois, they lost

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Speaker 3: Ninety four.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the nineteen ninety three nineteen ninety four season, the

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Speaker 3: Eighteenth, nineteen ninety four, January eighth, eighty three, seventy six

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm pretty sure it was that game.

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Speaker 3: What was the date on that again, January eighteenth, nineteen

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Speaker 1: Can we look up what the temperature was in either

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Glenn Robinson had thirty three and twelve. Allen Henderson

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Speaker 2: All right, that was the time that.

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Speaker 2: Because it was that cold outside.

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Speaker 1: And the rumor always was that Indiana closed that day

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say twenty below with windschill. I'm not kidding,

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Speaker 3: It reached minus twenty four windschill.

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Speaker 2: Okay, see listen, do you twenty seven? Let me ask

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Speaker 1: Do you ever think to yourself that you how fortunate

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Speaker 2: Did he remember that? No, I was off by four degrees.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to ask about Indiana and

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Speaker 2: Tell me the player.

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Speaker 1: me this. If you are an Indiana or a Purdue fan,

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Speaker 1: a bitter hated rivalry, right, Indiana University. Of the eleven

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Speaker 2: Let me rephrase that.

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Speaker 1: Of the eleven schools to have won a college football

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Speaker 1: and I can only imagine for Purdue fans. I'm not

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Speaker 2: And I love Purdue, I do.

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Speaker 1: I got a ton of respect for Purdue and I

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Speaker 1: I've actually got like fifty to fifty rooting interest amongst

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Speaker 1: truth ceramentum, there are three answers that are the most common, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: would you like to guess the three the three Indiana players?

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Speaker 1: Historically speaking that more often than not when you ask,

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Speaker 3: Are any of them within the last ten to fifteen years?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, but you are aware of all three?

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Speaker 3: One is Isaiah Thomas?

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Speaker 2: Nope, good guess, but he's only there two years.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind one is well, two were in college

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Speaker 3: Is Calvert Cheney one of them?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes, Alan Henderson another.

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Speaker 1: No, because I think Henderson, because of the high school

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Speaker 3: What year were you there the first time?

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Speaker 2: Good point?

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Speaker 1: So I'm going by the years of which I was

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Speaker 1: which surprised me. You think a lot of Purdue people

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Speaker 1: he is one that a lot of Purdue people are like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I got admit I always kind of

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Speaker 3: Guy Justin and Fisher's got two of the three. He

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Speaker 1: Coverdale's another one, Yep, Coverdale's another one because he's got

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Speaker 1: commonly will admit deep down it's like, yeah, I got

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Speaker 3: Him not to sidetrack you again. But we also did

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Speaker 3: have someone texting. They said currently on sixty nine, it's

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Speaker 3: They have done an excellent job clearing both north and southbound,

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Speaker 3: Kudos to the road crews. People shouldn't really have any

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. I mean that's good to know because

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: The three players are IU fans about Purdue?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Are any of them recent? Are all?

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Speaker 2: Do you happen to have the breaking newshounder? Thishi?

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Speaker 1: Just in from my childhood friend, lifelong friend, Eric Barrett,

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Speaker 1: who is an optimologist. So this guy's an expert on eyes.

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Speaker 1: This guy knows more about eyes than anybody. Jake, you

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Eric Barrett is giving me permission to.

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Speaker 2: Put my sunglasses back on. I'm not an idiot.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you I don't know Listen, I don't know

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Speaker 1: blank from Shanola other than I might buy another watch

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Speaker 1: and my next one might be a Shanola out of.

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Speaker 2: Detroit because they're fabulous. I think they're good looking watches.

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about anything I can't tell you about.

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Speaker 1: I can talk about for two minutes, and I pigmentation

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Speaker 2: I knew I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Making that up, and I knew I was correct, And

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Speaker 1: I have permission to wear the sunglasses now. Purdue players

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Speaker 1: that Indiana fans always admit that they kind of like you, ready.

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Speaker 3: Eddie, any of them recent, yes, how recent? Were talking

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Speaker 3: like Zach Edy recent just before Robbie Hummel, that's one.

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Speaker 3: That is one for sure. He's on the call tonight

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Speaker 1: That is absolutely one of them. Robbi Hummel would be one.

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Speaker 1: Carson Edwards, Carson Edwards would be one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way you couldn't like Carson Edwards. I

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Speaker 1: The lightning at a bottle asspect of Carson Edwards was

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Speaker 1: Glenn Robinson would be one except for and this is

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Speaker 1: what's funny about Glenn Robinson. I think that there was

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Speaker 1: the popular there was always an elitism about Indiana basketball fans.

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Speaker 1: Indiana basketball fans always had a holier than thou nature

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Speaker 1: about them. Of well, there are players that coach Knight

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Speaker 1: never would have taken because you know, he wanted kids

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Speaker 1: that went to class and were, you know, helping old

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Speaker 1: ladies across the street. And the perception amongst Indiana fans

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Speaker 1: was that Bob Knight would not have taken Glenn Robinson.

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Speaker 2: Bob Knight absolutely would have walked to.

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Speaker 1: Gary to pick up Glenn Robinson and piggyback him back

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Speaker 1: to Bloomington.

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Speaker 3: Chris Kramer.

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Speaker 1: Chris Kramer beat Chris Kramer's a polarizing one. He and

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Speaker 1: Brian Cardinal both are players that Indiana fans I think

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Speaker 1: had a great respect for, but deep down didn't like

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Speaker 1: at all because of how hard they played and just

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Speaker 1: how annoying they were. Painter the coach, Yeah, as a coach,

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Speaker 1: I think Indiana fans really like him. As a player,

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Speaker 1: he was just kind of a complimentary piece. Hamma would

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Speaker 1: be one, Carson Edwards would be one one. I think

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Speaker 1: deep down, Indiana fans had a huge respect for the Bigs,

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Speaker 1: the Craig Rileyes, the Brad Millers, the Jim Rowinski's, the

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Speaker 1: Steven Schefflers. But the other player that I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of Indiana fans really liked, and he's my favorite

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Speaker 1: Boiler of all time. I've never met him, I've never

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Speaker 1: talked to him, but he is my favorite Purdue player

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Speaker 1: of all time, and I thought was a fabulous player

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Speaker 1: and seemingly a really good guy and just a very

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Speaker 1: understated player in college basketball. And that's Troy Lewis. I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of Indiana fans, deep down are like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Troy Lois was pretty cool. Great high school player, great

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Speaker 1: college player on great teams, great competitor, and just seemingly

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Speaker 1: a good dude.

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Speaker 2: And I always kind of liked him.

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Speaker 3: You have said so, of course. Right before the show started,

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Speaker 3: it was announced that Joe Brady is being promoted as

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Speaker 3: the Bills offensive coordinator to the Bills head coach. Had

477
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Speaker 3: former offensive coordinator with the Buffalotle Bitills and former head

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Speaker 3: coach with the New York Giants, Brian daball Is in

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Speaker 3: the AFC South he is now the offensive coordinator for

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Speaker 3: the Tennessee Titans. And then Sergeant John Priyan from the

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Speaker 3: Indiana State Police saying that I seventy westbound is now

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Speaker 3: open on the east side of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: It was closed due to icy conditions. They are now

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Speaker 5: opening it. So there's some seventy westbound is now open. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 5: So two is our guest line because we're going to

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Speaker 5: take it up sixty five north?

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Speaker 2: Is that correct? Sam King?

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Speaker 3: Next, that's right, except I don't know if we're going

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Speaker 3: up north because he's in Bloomington, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he might be driving. He'd be sixty five

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Speaker 2: southbound if he was smart.

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Speaker 3: He probably would have stayed there last night.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Sam King, Lafayette Journal and Currier will join us

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Speaker 1: talking Purdue in Indiana and the one area where Purdue

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Speaker 1: may be a little bit susceptible that Indiana could take

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Speaker 1: advantage of. We'll get into that next, Okay, as we

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Speaker 1: navigate through some of the roades and the reports from folks.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking out right now by the way at the

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Speaker 1: seventy sixty five split and it looks pretty open. But

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Speaker 1: our friend Kansas City Steve says for sixty five west

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Speaker 1: to sixty five south is closed due to ice. Seventy

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Speaker 1: westbound just reopened after icy conditions, and sixty nine down

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Speaker 1: to Bloomington. Apparently at this point looks pretty good, but

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Speaker 1: it's going to be busy tonight because it is prettue

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Speaker 1: Lafayette Journal and Courier to talk about this. Sam, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get right to this point, and i want

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Speaker 1: you to tell me if I'm over selling it or

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Speaker 1: if I'm onto something. Okay, I'm looking at Purdue's three

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Speaker 1: losses and in those three games, they allowed eighty one

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Speaker 1: attempts at three point shooting, and the teams that beat

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Speaker 1: them UCLA, Iowa State obviously, and Illinois thirty eight of

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Speaker 1: eighty one.

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Speaker 2: In that area.

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Speaker 1: Indiana has shooters in Lamar Wilkerson and Aswel Tucker Devreez.

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Speaker 1: Devreez has not really gotten going of late. He's been

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Speaker 1: in kind of a mini slump. But they are rhythm

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Speaker 1: shooters and they can be high volume shooters from the

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Speaker 1: three point line. And if Purdue is susceptible to giving

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Speaker 1: open looks, that can crack open the door for Indiana

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Speaker 1: and an area that the Hoosiers can take advantage. Now,

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Speaker 1: am I hallucinating here or am I onto something that

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Speaker 1: could be an area Indiana tries to take advantage of.

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Speaker 6: Now, I think you're spot on. What Indiana does well

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Speaker 6: offensively is kind of Purdue's weak points. From a defensive standpoint,

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Speaker 6: Purdue plays a lot of help defense. A lot of

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Speaker 6: what Illinois did was get switches and you know, convenient

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Speaker 6: matchups and took advantage of it and just had shooters

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Speaker 6: all over the floor. And you mentioned the two guys

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Speaker 6: that I you has who are high volume shooters, who

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Speaker 6: you know they hit one or two in a row

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Speaker 6: watch out because we know most of them can get hot.

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Speaker 6: And we've seen Wilkerson, you know, do something that nobody

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Speaker 6: else in the Big Ten have done this year until

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Speaker 6: coincidentally on Saturday against Purdue with what Warler did against

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Speaker 6: the Boilermakers hitting nine threes. So yeah, it's definitely if

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Speaker 6: I'm Purdue, I'm concerned. The three point defense hasn't been

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Speaker 6: great this year, and obviously you're facing a team at

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Speaker 6: home that shoots the three ball a lot, if not well,

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Speaker 6: but at times extremely well.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about Purdue in that area,

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Speaker 1: Sam giving up open looks on the three point circle.

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Speaker 1: Is it because of like a schematic breakdown or is

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Speaker 1: it a lack of athleticism in their key spots that

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Speaker 1: teams have finally figured out.

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Speaker 6: I think that Purdue is going to Purdue is an

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Speaker 6: offensive team first and foremost, and last year wasn't that great.

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Speaker 6: Defensively a little bit better this year, but it's best

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Speaker 6: offensive lineup is having two big guys on the floor

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Speaker 6: on Oscar Cluff and Traycoff and rin or Daniel Jacobson. However,

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Speaker 6: they tend to do that. But the thing is, all

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Speaker 6: three of those guys defensively are probably sinners when you're

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Speaker 6: playing offense. Obviously one of them is playing the four

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Speaker 6: ones playing the five. So that is where Illinois got

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Speaker 6: some favorable matchups the other day, getting Oscar Cluff matched

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Speaker 6: up on Keaton Woggler. I do think Woggler to hit

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Speaker 6: some out of this world shots, and maybe that's more

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Speaker 6: on the the offense being better than the defense in

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Speaker 6: that regard, But I think Purdue is going to think

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Speaker 6: offensively first and foremost and then do what it can defensively.

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Speaker 6: Illinois has had five shooters on the floor at a

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Speaker 6: time so you couldn't really leave guys and that allowed

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Speaker 6: the ALIGNI to get a lot of open shots, and

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Speaker 6: then you had a guy going next level for forty

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Speaker 6: six points.

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Speaker 1: Sam, You've been around this group a lot, and you

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Speaker 1: know Purdue is a veteran team. Even their newcomers on

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Speaker 1: the roster are veterans to college basketball. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the world of Braden Smith. I think he's

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Speaker 1: just a natural leader. Fletcher Lawyer has been around a

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Speaker 1: long time. Trey Kaufman RN I think has been completely

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Speaker 1: unselfish his entire career. But when you lose back to

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Speaker 1: back games, and this is not a group that as

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Speaker 1: of late, is used to having that sort of an adversity,

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Speaker 1: how if, in any way have you noticed any sort

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Speaker 1: of an emotional change in them, say now versus you

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Speaker 1: know a month ago when things were rolling.

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Speaker 6: I think kind of what you said, this is a

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Speaker 6: veteran team and over the last three years, you know,

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Speaker 6: it's a lot different. When these seniors were freshmen, it

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Speaker 6: felt like the world was ending when they would lose

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Speaker 6: the game, and there was kind of some overreactions and

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Speaker 6: then maybe that's just guys who weren't used to losing

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Speaker 6: coming from high school and aau world. But over the

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Speaker 6: years they've really brushed off losses as well as you

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Speaker 6: could hope. I think back to three years ago. I

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Speaker 6: think it was at Northwestern and pretty was number one,

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Speaker 6: got beat by Northwestern, and the guys were like, Okay, well,

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Speaker 6: you know what, you lose games over the course of

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Speaker 6: the Big Ten is just what happens. What happened after

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Speaker 6: UCLA was Braden Smith said, you can't let one loss

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Speaker 6: become two loss and let two losses become three losses.

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Speaker 6: And that's kind of where they're at now. Purdue very

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Speaker 6: much still is in the thick of the Big Ten,

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Speaker 6: with who Nebraska has left to play, the fact that

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Speaker 6: Michigan and Michigan State play twice, still Purdue goes to Nebraska,

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Speaker 6: still plays Michigan State and Michigan, So there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of things up in the air. But I think Purdue

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Speaker 6: can't afford to lose any of these next three games

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Speaker 6: against Indiana, Oregon, and Maryland if it wants to win

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Speaker 6: the Big Ten, because those are going to have and

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Speaker 6: you know, teams that aren't competing for a conference title.

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Speaker 6: So it does kind of put the pressure on these

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Speaker 6: next three games that I think Purdue has to bounce

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Speaker 6: back with three straight wins.

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Speaker 2: Sam, My last name is Querry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now you're you're a master of the pen, so

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Speaker 1: you would know that Querry by definition means question, right,

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Speaker 1: So one would assume that naturally, if there's anything of

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Speaker 1: which I could be a master, it's the question. But

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Speaker 1: yet I oftentimes find myself in an interview saying to myself,

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Speaker 1: this is a really dumb question. Okay, And I'm bracing

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Speaker 1: you in our audience for the fact what I'm about

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Speaker 1: to ask you may potentially be the dumbest of questions.

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Speaker 2: That you're going to hear in a long time. Okay.

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Speaker 1: From from a fans standpoint, I understand the heated hatred

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Speaker 1: between Indiana and Purdue.

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Speaker 2: I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: From a player's stand point, do you think that the

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Speaker 1: and maybe it's not as true for Purdue because Fletcher Lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Brayden Smith, you know, Trey Coffin Ran, you know, they

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Speaker 1: grew up in Indiana, so they probably have tons of

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Speaker 1: high school friends whatever else that go to IU.

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Speaker 2: But is there the.

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Speaker 1: Potential between rosters that the rivalry softens a bit because

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Speaker 1: of the fact that they are not as familiar with

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Speaker 1: the players on say the Indiana roster, because Indiana rarely

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Speaker 1: only has one contributing player that's an Indiana high school player,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of these are players that we are

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Speaker 1: unfamiliar with before they arrived in Bloomington. And so as

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Speaker 1: a result of that, at least maybe temporarily, that can

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Speaker 1: that can warm up a little bit what was always

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Speaker 1: an icy rivalry between the two or vice versa. Does

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Speaker 1: that make sense what I'm saying in or is that

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Speaker 1: the dumbest question you've ever had?

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Speaker 6: Not a dumb question? And just to your point, I

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Speaker 6: said a question or asked the question of Jacari Harris

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Speaker 6: recently and prefaced it saying this is probably a dumb question.

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Speaker 4: So there, that's right.

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Speaker 2: We know when we're asking a dumb question.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but I kind of said this on a podcast yesterday.

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Speaker 6: You know, you're a similar age to me, and I

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Speaker 6: grew up when Bob Knight had been at Indiana forever

655
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 6: and Geen Katie had been at Purdue forever. Produce still

656
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 6: has that tie to the Katie era. With only one

657
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 6: coach since then, and it's a guy who played for him.

658
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 6: Indiana's had a lot of coaching turnover in that time

659
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 6: has done a lot of different paths in terms of

660
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 6: recruiting rosters. The current one basically all transfer portal guys.

661
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 6: So I do think that the rivalry is lost a

662
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 6: little bit in that regard. It used to be a

663
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 6: heavy Indiana High school rosters for both schools, so the

664
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 6: guys knew each other and had rivalries dating back to

665
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 6: ninth grade tenth grade probably, And now you get a

666
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 6: lot of guys who, you know, they know each other

667
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 6: from maybe camps and stuff they've gone to for you know,

668
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 6: a week or a few days. But these aren't guys

669
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Speaker 6: who have been lifelong rivals or anything like that in

670
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 6: a lot of cases. So i'd do you think that

671
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 6: it's lost a little bit in terms of the rivalry

672
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 6: the fans, specifically the older fans, I think that means

673
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 6: more to them, But I would say even like younger fans,

674
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 6: is probably not as heated as it used to be,

675
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 6: you know, growing up, it's all I heard growing up

676
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 6: in Frankfort, Indiana, which is thirty forty minutes from Purduce campus,

677
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 6: and obviously a lot of Indiana influenced just being in

678
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 6: the state, that's all you would hear on the playground

679
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 6: and things like that. Is arguments over Purdue basketball or

680
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 6: IU basketball, and I don't know that those things exist

681
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 6: as much anymore.

682
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Speaker 1: Sam King, my guest Jaba House Peel and poor guest Line.

683
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 1: He's with the Lafiat Journal and Courier Indiana and Purdue

684
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: nine o'clock tonight down in assembly Hall. Sam the Actually,

685
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: here's a weird one for you. When did Purdue travel

686
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: down to Bloomington.

687
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 6: They went yesterday, so they're there now. I already saw

688
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 6: you called watching an Instagram video of the team walking

689
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 6: into assembly Hall and looking up at the banners and

690
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 6: coming down on the court. So I think the idea

691
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 6: was to get ahead of the weather. We have practice

692
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 6: availability moved up yesterday an hour, which threw us all

693
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 6: for a loop because it happened kind of last minute.

694
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 6: But the idea was that Purdue could get out of town.

695
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: Quicker, okay, And yeah, I guess yesterday it would have

696
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: been fewer people on the road, so it would have

697
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: given them opportunity to do that. This game in terms

698
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: of if you look at what happened against Illinois and

699
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: an unbelievable performance, you know, individually speaking, certainly for the

700
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: align I at Mackie, But is there something that you

701
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: are curious to see in the first several minutes of

702
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: the game that you are wondering how Purdue reacts or

703
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: you know that you're saying to yourself, if I see

704
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: this early, then I get I know that Purdue is

705
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: still in a rut.

706
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: What would it be?

707
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 6: It would be if Fletcher Lawyer comes out and misses

708
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 6: a couple of early shots. Unfortunately for him and for Purdue.

709
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 6: Right now he is he's struggling and is a guy

710
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 6: that if he's not hitting shots, he's kind of a liability,

711
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 6: at least defensively for you out there. You know he's

712
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 6: basketball smart, but his strength is really scoring and shooting

713
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 6: the basketball. And other than going four of eight against

714
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 6: Penn State, I think he's three or fifteen since then,

715
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 6: and he went oh four from three of the game

716
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 6: before that. So you had all that up, and you know,

717
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 6: three for nineteen, what are the seven for like twenty

718
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 6: five over that stretch. Not great for a guy who's

719
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 6: probably going to go down as the most prolific three

720
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 6: point shooter in your program's history.

721
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Does Purdue have advantage both in size and perhaps even

722
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: in athleticism on the blocks down low versus Indiana, I.

723
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Speaker 6: Would say absolutely. And I think Purdue actually played better

724
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 6: when Daniel Jacobson was in the game against Illinois, but

725
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 6: he only played ten minutes, and I understand why Purdue

726
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 6: struggled to rebound. And Oscar Kluft is your best rebounder,

727
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 6: so Trey Crop and w renn Is. You know, there's

728
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 6: a reason he was a top fifty recruit coming out

729
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 6: of high school and a guy who was coveted by

730
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 6: Indiana before choosing Purdue. So I think that Purdue has

731
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 6: a strength on the blocks. I think Purdue probably as

732
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 6: a strength overall. But the great equalizer is three point shooting,

733
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 6: and that's something you have to worry about when he

734
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 6: based Indiana.

735
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Speaker 1: Lastly, Bradon Smith injury tweaked the ankle.

736
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 4: Any update, he's gonna tell us he's fine.

737
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 6: I don't know how this might be something where he

738
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 6: and Tray Cop and Rin both when we get to

739
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 6: the end of the season, we learned there may be

740
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 6: a little bit more beat up than they've led on.

741
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 6: But it seems like those guys are hobbling quite a

742
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 6: bit these days, and you know that's a concerning sign.

743
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 6: But Braden Smith came back and scored seventeen points I

744
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 6: think in the last fifteen minutes after that ankle injury

745
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 6: the other day, So I would say, at least basketball wise,

746
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 6: he's probably fine for right now.

747
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Sam King, Lafayette Journal and Courier coverage four Purdue. A

748
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: pleasure as always, Sam, and safe travels back when you're

749
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: coming back from Bloomington, because it's going to be late

750
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be icy.

751
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: But I certainly appreciate the time as always.

752
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 6: Always pleasure being on.

753
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: Thanks very much, appreciate it, Sam King joining us on

754
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and poor guests come back. There

755
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: was something that took place in the news and it

756
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: made me go, hmm, and I'm not gonna say I

757
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: told you so, but I'm gonna say I told you so.

758
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: Preemptively. Next yesterday, by.

759
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: The way, Scott Agnes coming up top of the hour,

760
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: Pacers in action yesterday, losing in Atlanta one of the

761
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: stories that came out. Of course, we were in an

762
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: abbreviated show yesterday. None of this is a done deal,

763
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: but eventually one would assume it would seem almost inevitable

764
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: just based on rotation. But there was a report yesterday

765
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: that Indianapolis could in fact be mentioned or discussed as

766
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: a home city to the National Football League Draft. Of course,

767
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: the scouting combine extended for another two years here. But

768
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: let me tell you something and again that I looked

769
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: at and raised an eyebrow, and I want to preface

770
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: with this. Of course I understand that it would be

771
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: fantastic for the city of Indianapolis to host an event like.

772
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: The NFL Draft.

773
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm not here to papoo that at all.

774
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: There is no one that is a bigger I mean,

775
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: there are certainly equivalent.

776
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: There's going to be a million people here.

777
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Which leads me to this, Eddie. That's my point. Yes,

778
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 2: of course it's incredible.

779
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: You know, promotion advertising for the city of Indianapolis and

780
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft is a huge event. I don't personally

781
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: understand standing out and drinking and hanging out in order

782
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: to be able to hear the announcement of a name

783
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: of a player you're probably not overly familiar with for

784
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: your team and waiting two hours for that to happen.

785
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: But to each their own, people enjoy it. That's cool,

786
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: and if they want to have it in Indianapolis, hallelujah. Have

787
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: it every year here it But my contention has always

788
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: simply been this, and my doubt has always been this.

789
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: The NFL is undoubtedly the eight hundred pound gorilla in

790
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: the American culture. You know, back when there was the

791
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: conversation or the and yes, I understand it, there were

792
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: political things that took place with athletes in the NFL.

793
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: But the people that were like, that's it, I'm boycott

794
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL. The NFL is dying. No you're not, No,

795
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: you're not. People this year the super Bowl halftime show.

796
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: They're going to boycott the super Bowl because I don't

797
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: like the halftime show.

798
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: No you're not.

799
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: It's still going to do like fifty six million viewers

800
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: or whatever the number is.

801
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: It's astronomical.

802
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: That's why I've never understood the NFL's insistence on embellishing

803
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: their numbers. You're the eight hundred pound gorilla. You don't

804
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: need to pretend to be the nine hundred pound one.

805
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: And when the NFL Draft was in Nashville, Tennessee, and

806
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: they made the claim that a million people were there,

807
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: a million people were at the NFL Draft in Nashville.

808
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: It's so insulting, and people buy it. People just think

809
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: that's a hell no question, no question. In Detroit seven

810
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. I remember the late Jim Mersay sending

811
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: the post seven hundred and fifty thousand people right now

812
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: were in Detroit for the opening round of the NFL Draft.

813
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: No they're not, No, they're not.

814
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: Now if that's true, and let's just say that the

815
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: seven hundred fifty thousand is if they come back and say, no, no, no,

816
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: we met over three days. Okay, fine, two hundred and

817
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: fifty thousand per day. Okay, two hundred fifty thousand per day,

818
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand at the opening round because you would

819
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: think Taper's off a little bit. So let's say three

820
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: hundred and three hundred and fifty thousand people for round

821
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: one of the NFL Draft. That's the equivalent of an

822
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: Indie five hundred. Okay, So Eddie, let me ask you, yes,

823
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: what naturally would be the most convenient and immediately associated

824
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: with Indianapolis venue by which to hold such.

825
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: An event.

826
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 3: The Indianapolis Motor speed Away.

827
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 4: Okay.

828
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: The three areas that were discussed and mentioned for Indianapolis

829
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: if were to host an NFL draft, military Park cool,

830
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: Love Military Park, that's cool. White River State Park that's cool,

831
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: no question, awesome, beautiful area, or the south lot of

832
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium.

833
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: Could it be that the NFL said.

834
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: We don't want to have this at the Indianapolis Motor

835
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: Speedway because that would actually support what Jake Query of

836
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Radio has said forever, which is it would immediately

837
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: invalidate and put it right to public eye, the immediate

838
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: justification that this is true, that there are not three

839
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand people there, because we know that

840
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: is a venue that holds two hundred and fifty eight

841
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: eight hundred and fifty three people in permanent seating, and

842
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: can hold up to three hundred and fifty thousand if

843
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: you include the infield. And so if you held the

844
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: NFL Draft there and gasp, wait for it, you actually

845
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: didn't have someone in every seat for a two and

846
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: a half mile oval, plus every square inch of the infield,

847
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: then you could no longer make the preposterous claim that

848
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: you're the nine hundred pound guerilla and you're getting a

849
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: third of a million people to.

850
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: The NFL Draft.

851
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: It is incredibly impressive to say that eighty thousand people

852
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: should up, and.

853
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: That's possible, that's plausible. I've been to lambeau Field.

854
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: I've been to Green Bay several times, and I saw

855
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: the aerial shots of the draft an opening day and

856
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: it was the parking lot of lambeau Field and like

857
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: half of the football field. Okay, seventy five thousand people

858
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: certainly plausible. So why are you trying to tell me

859
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: it's ten times that amount? Are the Indianapolis Motor Speedway

860
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: would illuminate the lunacy of that number?

861
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: Are we sure? The Indianapolis Motor Speedway said no as well.

862
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: No, I don't think the Anapolis Motor Speedway has been

863
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: broached on the subject. I don't know that I realized

864
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: that I do freelance work for them. I want to

865
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 1: be very clear, I'm not speaking on any way, shape

866
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: or form as a representative of the Speedway. I'm sure

867
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: the Speedway, if they wanted to rent out the facility,

868
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: would would be on par with that, although it also

869
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: maybe that wouldn't be feasible because it would be within

870
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: a month of the five hundred and I mean, I

871
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: don't know, but all I'm saying is I would imagine

872
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: that the NFL. When the NFL says we have an

873
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: event that we're going to bring three hundred and fifty

874
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: thousand people to your city, and the city of Indianapolis says, perfect,

875
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: we have the venue that can house exactly that the

876
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: NFL would go you do.

877
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: No, we don't need.

878
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: We're not expected to actually feel that, are we. We're

879
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: just going to tell you it's three hundred and fifty thousand.

880
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 3: That's all.

881
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: I've taken off my tenfoil hat long enough to put

882
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: a phone up to my ear to call Scott Agnes next.

883
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: Pacers back in action tomorrow night at the Fieldhouse. I

884
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: believe the Chicago Bulls the opponent yesterday a businessman special

885
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: down in Atlanta, Hawks and Pacers and the Pacers another

886
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: one of those games where came out look good and

887
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: then in the end gets away from him. Atlanta gets

888
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: that win. But joining us now all the job house,

889
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guests on what's that?

890
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: You know what I thought of when I heard when

891
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: you were just talking about that, when I was watching

892
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: that third quarter unfold. This is what I thought of yesterday.

893
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: Is that the sound that that's my sound effect of

894
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: cars on the snow, is that right, yeah.

895
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: Driving into the snow bank. Yeah here.

896
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: Right, you're a fan of my sound effects, so yeah,

897
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: I'm like the fella from the Oh what was the

898
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: I can't believe I just spaced on the name of

899
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: the movie. What was the spoof cop movie of the eighties?

900
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: And the guy did all the sound effects?

901
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: Why are you asking me like I would know something

902
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 3: from the eighties?

903
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: Police? Somebody helped me out here. I can't believe. I

904
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: just completely spaced. Don't get old. It's tough and I

905
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: didn't sleep well last night. But there was the one

906
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: guy that does all the sound effects. That's kind of

907
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: like me, right right, I got them.

908
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: Oh, you're you're thinking of the police academy.

909
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: Police Academy. Yeah, yeah, see, you knew it.

910
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 3: I know I know the guy you're talking about. I

911
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: forget his name too.

912
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: Do we have Scott? Did you say yes? Scott? Agnes

913
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: joins us. I'm sure thrilled to be doing so.

914
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: On the Java House Peel and poor guest line Scott,

915
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with this before we get into

916
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: the negatives, I'm going to go with a few positives

917
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: about the Pacers.

918
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: Not easy to do in this kind of a season.

919
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: I realize, but.

920
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: I believe that this is a year perhaps that we

921
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: could look back on in two years, and I'm saying

922
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: next year is still going to be a reacclimation period

923
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: and a wait and see on the burst of tyree'se

924
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Haliburton period and et cetera. But one of the areas

925
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: that we may look back on and say was a

926
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: positive this season is the rounding totality of growth of

927
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: different levels of his game for Andrew Nimhard and becoming

928
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: a guy that we know in the past could shoot

929
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: and has a great mid range game, but now I

930
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: think even facilitator, court vision, all of those things had

931
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: to improve this year, and so far I believe have

932
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: Am I being too rosy?

933
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: No, I entirely agree.

934
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 7: I mean, he's had double digit assists in three the

935
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 7: last five games.

936
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: The last couple.

937
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 7: He's gone back to more of what we saw a

938
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 7: little bit in college before he got to the pros here,

939
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 7: where he was more of having the ball handling responsibilities.

940
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 7: And they actually planned for that a couple of years ago, Jake,

941
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 7: but he was so productive and so good that they

942
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 7: couldn't take him out of the starting lineup, so they said,

943
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 7: all right, you play the off guard spot and so

944
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 7: that's when he really became the guy that could defend

945
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 7: the knockdown jumpers and also eased a lot of the

946
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 7: burden that Tyrese Haliburton had.

947
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: But you're totally right.

948
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's become more well rounded in what he can do.

949
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 7: And I think though he'll look forward though to having

950
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 7: less on his shoulders because you can just see him

951
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 7: in Pascal Siakam in particular, are in over drive every

952
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 7: single game.

953
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: The other thing that if I'm looking at positives and

954
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: then we'll get into other areas, Scott, it's only and

955
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: it's a very small sample size, and I've got to

956
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: see it more consistently. And this has been the thing

957
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: that has always kind of teased us about this player.

958
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: But of late, it seems as though Jeris Walker is

959
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: starting to kind of find a role and a confidence.

960
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: Now. It's a little unfair because I.

961
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: Think that we are expecting to see the kind of

962
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: production that you would anticipate from a top ten player,

963
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: a top ten pick, and by that I mean a

964
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: guy that becomes like a borderline franchise level player. Maybe

965
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: the ceiling for Jeris Walker is simply being you know,

966
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: a Derek McKee, Dwayne Farrell, David West type guy that

967
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: has a specific role on a very good team, but.

968
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,959
Speaker 2: He has not found consistency until late.

969
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: Is this now a turn of the corner for him

970
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: or is it going to be one step forward, half

971
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: step back.

972
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 7: I'm with you, I still want to see more. What

973
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 7: he's done in the last couple of weeks, to me,

974
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 7: has been really encouraging. Forget the points, because we knew

975
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 7: he could score his freshman freshman his rookie year when

976
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 7: he spent a lot of that time with the G

977
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 7: League team, he was knocking down threes and really improved

978
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 7: his shots. I was never worried about that. You gave

979
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 7: the great analogy. I think it was a couple weeks

980
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 7: ago there was a folk right and that feels like

981
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 7: it has been lifted. That the confidence continues to be building.

982
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 7: And what I like most is the traits that we

983
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 7: kept being advertised and we saw on video and his

984
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 7: time in Houston, to me, are finally coming to light

985
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 7: a little bit more. I'm talking about using his length,

986
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 7: I'm talking about getting those steals and getting out in transition,

987
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 7: being a past there defensively blocking a couple shots much

988
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 7: like we've seen Johnny Furfey here in the last few

989
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 7: months amp that up as well. The scoring is great,

990
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 7: it's the defense in being confident in what he's supposed

991
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 7: to be doing that has been most positive to me

992
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 7: here recently.

993
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 2: Scott.

994
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: Let's say, okay, we're going to look into the future here.

995
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: You ready get your DeLorean, get your one point twenty

996
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: one jiggawats. We're going to go like twenty months from now.

997
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: Let's say that Tyrese Haliburton is playing and is at

998
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: a healthy level. Okay, so you know that Tyre's Halliburton's

999
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: on the floor. You know that nim Hard obviously goes

1000
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: without saying Nie Smith Siakam is still there. Obi toppin

1001
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: going to be an important piece. Give me three other

1002
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: players currently on the roster that you look at and

1003
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: you say, when I look at this team two seasons

1004
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: from now that is competing and trying to get themselves

1005
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: back into position at the top of the East, these

1006
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 1: three guys that were on the twenty twenty five twenty

1007
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: twenty six roster are going to be very important rotational pieces.

1008
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 7: I'll say Johnny Furfey, TJ. McConnell and that's you would

1009
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 7: Hope Walker. The challenge here, though, is we know they

1010
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,959
Speaker 7: need to upgrade the center position, and so it's going

1011
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 7: to take Ammo. It could be Mathern, it could be Walker,

1012
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 7: it could be both of them to go get your

1013
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 7: center spot.

1014
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: I don't rule.

1015
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 7: Out that Matherin isn't here, but it just makes so

1016
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 7: much sense in terms of what they need versus what

1017
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 7: they have for him to potentially not be included in

1018
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 7: that bunch. So I think there's two for sure, and

1019
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 7: then a lot more question marks after that.

1020
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

1021
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: One of the players that you didn't mention there, Isaiah Jackson, thoughts.

1022
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 7: Still coming back from that injury, has not shown to

1023
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 7: be a starting caliber center. It's a lot to pay

1024
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 7: for a second or third string center at seven million

1025
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 7: per year. I don't think you should lose hope in him.

1026
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 7: It's only year five and coming after a major injury.

1027
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 7: But is he a key piece a guy going to

1028
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 7: have to depend on I'm not there.

1029
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 2: Yet, Okay, Jay huff Uh, he's been solid.

1030
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 7: What's interesting Jake is he's been out of the rotation

1031
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 7: basically the last two games. He was set to not

1032
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 7: play for the first time this season. Last game until

1033
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 7: they kind of waved the light flag for the final

1034
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 7: two minutes. But I think that's been interesting. It's probably

1035
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 7: matchup dependent in this and on top of that, they

1036
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 7: found success, especially in that first quarter with that smaller

1037
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 7: no with the centerless starting group, So I have no

1038
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 7: reason to believe they wouldn't continue that in the short term.

1039
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 7: But Jay Heff being a backup that makes sense. He's

1040
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 7: a low cost guy, so I would foresee him being

1041
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 7: here through his contract, which is at least two more years.

1042
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 7: But I don't think he may necessarily be, you know,

1043
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 7: a key, key contributor like we were talking about, you know,

1044
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 7: eighteen twenty months from now.

1045
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: Is Ben Shephard another one that could be say a

1046
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: throw in or a salary match type thing. Or do

1047
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: you believe that they look at Ben Shepard and what

1048
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: he can do defensively and then spot shooting wise, have

1049
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: they seen enough, say from a tail on p to say, Okay,

1050
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: if we've got to move Ben Shephard, we have that

1051
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: piece that is still there.

1052
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: Where do things stand with all of that?

1053
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Ben Shephard is exactly what you see

1054
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 7: him as, and he's a role player off the bench

1055
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 7: that can defend his number one trait is a high motor,

1056
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 7: high energy guy that during those months kind of right

1057
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 7: now the dog days getting to the All Star break,

1058
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 7: that you really need him and TJ McConnell to help

1059
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 7: jump start you. In terms of his contract, it's very

1060
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 7: team friendly. I don't think he's a guy you'd be

1061
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 7: looking or wanting to include. I don't think a guy

1062
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 7: like Taylor Peter or Cam Jones are quite there yet rookies,

1063
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 7: young guys that haven't gotten all that much action, especially

1064
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 7: Cam Jones because of his preseason injury. So I think

1065
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 7: Ben Shephard continues to be part of this bunch, and

1066
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 7: I think if you're at full health, I think he's

1067
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 7: kind of that fringe guy within the rotation. Depending on

1068
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 7: your matchup, he might be the ninth guy. Another game,

1069
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 7: he's the eleventh guy.

1070
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 2: Scott.

1071
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: One of the things Scott Agnes is my guest field

1072
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: how files where you can read his work. He's on

1073
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and poor guest line we have.

1074
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: Certainly it feels as though it's a FATA company. It

1075
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: feels as though the worst kept secret is that Ben

1076
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: Matherin is the piece that the Pacers are going to

1077
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: dangle to try to get themselves a center now whether

1078
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: or not. Jay Huff, how he plays into the future

1079
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: will see. Michael Potter, how he plays into the future,

1080
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: we'll see.

1081
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: But do you believe.

1082
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: Is there any evidence from the Pacers themselves that Ben

1083
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: Matherin is a trade piece or is this just we

1084
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: who cover the team and are around it making a

1085
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: conclusion based on what seems to be logical of rotation.

1086
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 7: I wouldn't say there's any substance of evidence, nothing like

1087
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 7: they've made clear he's not part of this group or

1088
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 7: they're trying to showcase him to up his value. I

1089
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 7: don't think there's anything like that. To me, it comes

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00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 7: down to the financial aspect more than anything, more than fit,

1091
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 7: more than usage rate, anything like that. Is the financial implications.

1092
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 7: And you have a big missing piece there at that

1093
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 7: center spot that has bothered this team all season long,

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00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 7: healthy or not. And so I think when you factor

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00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 7: in all that and how much it might cost to

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00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 7: resign him, Because if you're mathering, this is your first

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00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 7: big contract. Now you're a restricted free agent, and since

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00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 7: the new Collective Bargaining Agreement was ratified a couple of

1099
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 7: years ago, restricted free agencies really favored teams on that front,

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00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 7: and so that's something to consider here. And you don't

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00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 7: have to be under the luxury tax until the end

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Speaker 7: of the season. So let's say the Pacers were over

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00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 7: the luxury tax at this time next year, that's not

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Speaker 7: super concerning for the limitations. But with that said to

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00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 7: your question, I think it's a combination of how they

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00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 7: play with and without him, and also does can you

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00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 7: upgrade this team? Can you maximize the upgrades with this team,

1108
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 7: Jake by moving on from a lottery pick like this.

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00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 7: It's not something you do easily, but I think it's

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Speaker 7: something you have to consider right now. Given their other limitations.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they would consider trading the pick and

1112
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Speaker 3: the upcoming draft in twenty six.

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Speaker 7: It all depends, obviously, I think, Eddie, on what the

1114
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 7: return is, so I would never rule it out, but

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00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 7: I would see that as highly unlikely. The reason where

1116
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 7: it would make sense, and this is why you should

1117
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 7: never just toss out that idea here is the Pacers

1118
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 7: are in win now mode. So like we were talking

1119
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 7: about the center position a lot, right, Eddie, and with centers,

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00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 7: Donnie Walsh taught me this years ago. You got to

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00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 7: give centers like three four plus years to even know

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00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 7: exactly what they are. That's why with Isaiah Jackson, I

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00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 7: feel comfortable starting to form an opinion on that front.

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Speaker 2: But the Pacers don't have three or four years.

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Speaker 7: Siakam's in his best of his career, Halliburton's probably entering

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 7: the prime of his career, and so with that said,

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Speaker 7: it's got to be more of a ready made player

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Speaker 7: for this s Pacer team. However, the thing going back

1129
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 7: to the financial situation is it's highly advantageous to have

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Speaker 7: one of these star players on a rookie deal for

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01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 7: the next four plus years and have the team control there.

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Speaker 7: And that's something that they would like to reset there.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: The reason why I asked that is because if they

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Speaker 3: were discussing that potentially with teams, if there's a player

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01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 3: out there, you would have to assume that said player

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01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: that they would acquire with utilizing the pick fits the

1138
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 3: timeline with tyres and it's not, you know, near somewhere

1139
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: between Tyrese and Pascal in terms of age, because you

1140
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 3: still have to find some pieces to build around Tyree's

1141
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Speaker 3: for the future entirely.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and they've really set their contracts up to be

1143
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 7: surrounding Tyrese. I think it's through the twenty seven to

1144
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 7: twenty eight season. But what we've seen work so well,

1145
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 7: like with Oklahoma City, is they have guys now already

1146
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 7: to come off those rookie deals and get paid while

1147
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 7: they're also resetting their clock. And because they have all

1148
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 7: these draft picks, as they have these other younger guys

1149
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 7: that are still in their first couple of years, so

1150
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 7: they are costing pennies on the dollar compared to what

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01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 7: they're contributing out there. And this being such a good

1152
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 7: draft class that I'd have a difficult time not making

1153
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 7: a pick and not utilizing it. But again, it all

1154
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 7: comes down to what the other side of the offer is.

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: By the way, you said that, you know, if it

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01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: takes three to four years to assess and we're just

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01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: entering that window of assessment for Isaiah Jackson, your assessment would.

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01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 4: Be what.

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01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 7: I would say a little bit disappointing from what you

1160
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 7: would have hoped first round pick twentieth, you would hope

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01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 7: that's a solidified role player without question, not necessarily needing

1162
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 7: to be a starter. But that's kind of would be

1163
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 7: my hope for the position that the Pacers acquired at

1164
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 7: the number twenty two, and right now it feels like

1165
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 7: he's kind of a fringe rotational guy. Certainly was coming

1166
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 7: back from an injury that's setback with the concussion, which

1167
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 7: I'm sure you've discussed. He later explained was a lot

1168
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 7: more to it than we initially knew there. But yeah,

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01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 7: I would expect to see more from him, and I

1170
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 7: think he can really unlock areas in which this team

1171
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 7: does not operate in previous iterations.

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01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: Okay, two other really important questions here for you.

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01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: Scott Scott Agnus my guest Fieldhouse Files where you can

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: read his work. I bought a pair. I've never done

1175
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: this before. I've never done this before. When I was

1176
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: in the eighth grade Eastwood Middle School, as you know,

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01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: Scott Bruce Bowling's basketball team that year, everybody bought Converse Weapons.

1178
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: That was a big shoe, Converse Weapons. I had a

1179
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: pair of New Balance James Worthy New Balance high Tops

1180
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: that I wore that season. Actually liked him. I've always

1181
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: kind of liked New Balance. My favorite Pacer I'm totally

1182
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: open about it is aaron Ne E.

1183
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: Smith.

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: I love that kind of I've always loved that kind

1185
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: of player, a guy that just doesn't need anything designed

1186
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: for him, just goes out and does whatever you need

1187
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: them to do. Love aaron Ne Smith, So I bought

1188
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: a pair of the aaron Nie Smith New Balance shoes.

1189
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: Never really bought a pair of shoes because of a

1190
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: player before, but I did it for aaron Ne Smith. Right,

1191
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy a pair of shoes, and I bought

1192
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: the New Balance shoes.

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01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: Now I love them.

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: They're very comfortable, They've got great grip, which is awesome,

1195
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: but they are literally atrociously fluorescent yellow. I mean, like

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01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: I could go out and stop traffic. Is there anywhere

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01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: other than at a Pacer game where I can wear

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01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: those shoes and not be the world's biggest d bag?

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01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 7: I would say at the Lifetime basketball court getting some

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01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 7: run in there, doing a workout. I feel like a

1201
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 7: lot of people dress up for the gym, it seems like,

1202
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 7: and I think that would be an area on the

1203
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 7: monon certainly as you're getting your heart steps and walks

1204
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 7: in Okay, not bad out there, and then maybe doing

1205
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 7: yard work if it's not too dirty, because you do

1206
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 7: not want to get those dirty.

1207
01:03:55,120 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So fashionably speaking, just putting those on with a

1208
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: pair of jeans, I'm looking too much like Zach Morris

1209
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: correct or Mark Boyle.

1210
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, we know Mark has that great

1211
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 7: yellow pair he always travels with.

1212
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing it with a nineteen eighties San Francisco

1213
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: Seals Hawaiian shirt.

1214
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: So I guess there is that that separates me from

1215
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: Mark Boyle. Right.

1216
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 7: What I would not do is wear it with a

1217
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 7: pair of jeans just to kind of go through the

1218
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 7: airport out at the track with maybe some shorts on

1219
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 7: a hot day.

1220
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: I could see that. Okay, what about what about with

1221
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: jeans do to a game? Yeah?

1222
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 7: Absolutely, and then wear a polo or a quarter zip

1223
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 7: to match.

1224
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So that'st of it, because I've already worn him

1225
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: once to a game and burt three people's retinas, no question,

1226
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: and then two people thought I was Mark Boyle, which

1227
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: was unusual.

1228
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

1229
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 7: The other thing is you got the thematic thing there, right,

1230
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 7: go into a game.

1231
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: It's fitting, so yeah, of.

1232
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: Course, right, okay, other question, you know, actually there's a

1233
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: I bought a pair of Nikes also that. When I

1234
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: bought them, I got an email about these Nikes on sale,

1235
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: and I bought him because I thought they were blue

1236
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: and orange, and I thought, oh, well, I can wear

1237
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: those when I go to Clemson games. So I bought

1238
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: them and they showed up and they're actually the blue

1239
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: and gold pacer that liked the coaching staff wears. So

1240
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: I have like those, so I wear those to the

1241
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: games too, So I mean I'm a dork like that. Okay.

1242
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: Other question is this, Scott, you went to Indiana. I

1243
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: assume you grew up an Indiana basketball fan. Correct, absolutely,

1244
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: and football to be clear. So tell me tell me this.

1245
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: Tell me the two to three. This is our theme

1246
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: of the day. Give me the two to three Purdue

1247
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: players that even when little Scott Agnes was growing up

1248
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: and was the obnoxious Indiana fan as I was, that

1249
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: deep down you had to admit you could not dislike

1250
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: them even though they played for Purdue. You didn't want

1251
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: anybody to know it, but you kind of liked them

1252
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: either because they seem like good dudes, or you respected

1253
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: and enjoyed their game.

1254
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 7: It's probably top of mind because he does every single broadcast,

1255
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 7: but Robbie Hummel's the first name that comes to mind

1256
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 7: there with all those mm. Outside of that, they went

1257
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 7: through that dark period in the twenty tens or so

1258
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 7: or whatever where they had to reassess what they were.

1259
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 7: A throwback here, Glenn Robinson, But I didn't grow up

1260
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 7: with him, but I know he would have been I

1261
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 7: know he would have been fun to watch throughout that.

1262
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 7: Outside of that, that's there's probably not many. I think

1263
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 7: more about the negative side of all that, The Bridon Cardinals,

1264
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 7: the Chris Kramers.

1265
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Purdue had so many guys that just made your

1266
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: blood boil.

1267
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: And that's yes, and that the ultimate Todd Foster.

1268
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 1: The ultimate side of that is, you know, the the

1269
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: ultimate respect is the fact that you don't like him, right,

1270
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: because deep down that means you're like, man, I wish

1271
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: I had that dude on my team, you know, I mean,

1272
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: will she will she? He was just, I mean a

1273
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: complete goon in the eyes of Purdue fans, but will

1274
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: she He was also like the prototypical Purdue type player

1275
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: on of what that's what makes rivalries great. All right, Scott,

1276
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: Pacers and Action tomorrow night, Bulls Fieldhouse Files.

1277
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: You'll have all the coverage. Appreciate the time as always,

1278
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: you got it.

1279
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 4: Thanks guys.

1280
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining us on the Java House Peeling for

1281
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: guest line. I know I've said this before, and I

1282
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: know I probably have bias with this because it is

1283
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: my he was the mister Basketball my senior year of

1284
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: high school. But I will absolutely go to my grave

1285
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: with this. There may still be others that match it,

1286
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: and I know there were others before it, But Glenn

1287
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: Robinson in nineteen ninety four had the most dominant college

1288
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: basketball season that I've ever seen. Now, maybe there's an

1289
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: age bias there. I know that Bill Bradley of Princeton

1290
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: had unbelievable numbers and I think still has the record

1291
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: for most points cumulatively in a Final four. I know

1292
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: that Glenn Rice in nineteen eighty nine had the highest

1293
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: single NCAA tournament scoring streak in NCAA history. I know

1294
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: that Christian Latner is probably the most accomplished player in

1295
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: the history of college basketball. Four final fours, two national championships,

1296
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: and the most famous shot, arguably in tournament history. I

1297
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: know that Pete Maravitch was a scoring whiz and his

1298
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: record will likely never be broken. I get it, I mean,

1299
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: but from a men's standpoint, Chris Jackson later Mackmoud abdul

1300
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 1: roof Chris Jackson as a freshman at LSU out of Gulfport, Mississippi,

1301
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: was hitting everything and was an unbelievable player. Mark Macon

1302
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 1: as a freshman at Temple, it was unusual and historic

1303
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: to have a freshman come in and be the leading

1304
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: scorer on a team that was number one in the country.

1305
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. There have been.

1306
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 1: An unbelievable number of players that went through and you

1307
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: know Patrick Ewing in eighty five. There have been those.

1308
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony as a freshman leading Syracuse. But when I

1309
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: say dominance, I don't even mean statistically speaking, but in

1310
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: terms of tone, in terms of aura. Glenn Robinson frightened

1311
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: people because he just had such a nastiness of being

1312
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: the big dog, get out of my way, and including

1313
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: maybe even those on his team because that dude. I've

1314
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: always told the story of the first time that I

1315
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: ever heard of Glenn Robinson when I had a buddy

1316
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: that was playing AAU basketball and they played a team

1317
01:09:54,439 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: from Gary and Glenn Robinson they he was dominant. They

1318
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: beat the Gary team, and then an atypical AU style

1319
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: that means you can pick up players off of said team.

1320
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: The Bloomington AAU team acquired Robinson, and their coach drove

1321
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: from Bloomington to Gary twice a week to pick him up,

1322
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: to bring him to practice and drive him home. That's convenient,

1323
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: only six hours out of the way round trip. But

1324
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: the first game that they played, according to my buddies

1325
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: that were there, I didn't witness this with my own

1326
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: two eyes, but why would they lie? And they told

1327
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: me this in the moment, not thirty years after the fact.

1328
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: Robinson goes out and absolutely dominates, gets done, takes his

1329
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: shoes off and starts rubbing his feet and it's like, yeah,

1330
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: my shoes are actually like a ten and a half

1331
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: and I wear a twelve or thirteen or whatever. He

1332
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: was that unbelievable, and a lot of people didn't know

1333
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: of him until Gary Roosevelt made their way down and

1334
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,959
Speaker 1: played against Rebuff in the finals, and he was dominant

1335
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 1: his ability to his ability to pull up mid range,

1336
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: finish with authority on a drive, hit a pull up

1337
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: three block a shot, but more so just absolutely intimidate everybody.

1338
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: There is nobody that had a more appropriate nickname than

1339
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: Big Dog, because literally he was the alpha from the

1340
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: time he walked on the floor. And I've never really understood.

1341
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: I think he was a little his size was kind

1342
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: of a tweeter in terms of the NBA and going

1343
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: to Milwaukee right away or whatever else. But I really

1344
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: did think he was going to be a transcendent college player.

1345
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: But he is one that I think if you put

1346
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: truth seerum in Indiana fans deep down, they all would

1347
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: be like, you know what, It was impossible for me

1348
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: to not enjoy watching Leonna Robinson play. He was that

1349
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: good and that dominant. Tonight, Indiana Purdue, we'll get back

1350
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: into that, including we talked about from Produe's standpoint, areas

1351
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: of susceptibility. What about that from Indiana? We will get

1352
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: into that. And did you say Holder is in or out?

1353
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: Etdio at this point two o'clock two o'clock for Stephen Holder.

1354
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: We will do that as well. Quary Company here in

1355
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: the fan Tyrese Haliburton offering a candid and recent update

1356
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: on his rehab and what he has learned from it.

1357
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: We will play that for you coming up about fifteen

1358
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: minutes from right now. But tonight it's Indiana and Purdue

1359
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: Assembly Hall, Simon Scott Assembly Hall down in Bloomington. Talk

1360
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 1: funny about Purdue and what Purdue's area of susceptibility may be,

1361
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: and that is their struggles of late in guarding the

1362
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: three point shot. You know, Ucla was nine of twenty

1363
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: from three point range in their win over Purdue. But

1364
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 1: outside of that, Illinois was eighteen of thirty eight and

1365
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: Iowa State was eleven of twenty three. All told thirty

1366
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: eight of eighty one from three point range in their

1367
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: three losses. That's giving up forty seven percent from three

1368
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: point range. Indiana has three point shooters.

1369
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 2: You know.

1370
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: Lamar Wilkerson is a guy Purdue fans can be familiar

1371
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: with this. I've said before. He reminds me a little

1372
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: of Carson Edwards and the fact he is a volume

1373
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: shooter and a rhythm shooter. And when he starts to

1374
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: feel it then it's like a you know, rain storm.

1375
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: Look look out here, it comes. There's nothing you can

1376
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: do about. It's a downpour. He can hit from anywhere.

1377
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: By the way, Eddie a cluster truck. Thanks again to

1378
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: Cluster Truck for lunch today.

1379
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 3: Yes, big fan, gabulous, Right, five dollars off your order

1380
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 3: of twenty five or more?

1381
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: Yes, how do you get the five dollars off the order?

1382
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 1: Of twenty five or more.

1383
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: Use code big fan, big fan, big fan.

1384
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 2: And what did you get today?

1385
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 3: I got the caesar salad.

1386
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 2: Oh really?

1387
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:44,799
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1388
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 2: Are you are you on a diet? Usually you go

1389
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: with the Korean salmon, right Korean?

1390
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, the koreem barbecue salmon, the chicken tenders, the mac

1391
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 3: and cheese, barbecue polpart Maxcuese.

1392
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1393
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: I worked other stuff in a casetally have had I

1394
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 3: think the rubin, a couple other things. Yeah, good stuff.

1395
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 3: Their pizza last week was really good too.

1396
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looked good.

1397
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 1: I went with the cheese case idea that I always

1398
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: do because it's quick and it's easy.

1399
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 2: It's always good.

1400
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 3: Evan Sheerywell text me like, hey, what do you guys

1401
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 3: want today? I'm like, well, you don't need to ask

1402
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 3: about Jake.

1403
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm telling you, I'm a simplistic eater.

1404
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm a simplistic eater. But cluster truck fantastic. I think

1405
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: for Indiana tonight we talked about Purdue's susceptibility. Indiana's, I think,

1406
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: is the fact that they don't have the muscle to

1407
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: contend on the low block with Purdue's combo of oscar

1408
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: cluff and as well, Trey Coffin ren and I would

1409
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: anticipate that Braydon Smith is going to be feeding a

1410
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: lot into the post to try to take advantage of that.

1411
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: And also it just feels like Indiana in terms of

1412
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: their shooters. I mean, like I mentioned Lamar Wilkerson, but

1413
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: Tucker Dereeze has really struggled, and if you can get

1414
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: physical with him and get him a little bit uncomfortable early,

1415
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:06,640
Speaker 1: then I think that he, you know, gets into a

1416
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 1: point where he can get kind of away from the

1417
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: rhythm of the offense because he starts to try to

1418
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: force things too much.

1419
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 3: I also think to Jake on the defensive side, if

1420
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 3: they do produe go with the normal five, I'll be

1421
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 3: interested to see if they do change the starting lineup

1422
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 3: to match either Indiana just because they're not as big,

1423
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 3: and Indiana may try to get out and run a

1424
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 3: little bit more to get in advantageous situations offensively, so

1425
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: it forces Oscar Cluff off the court and they just

1426
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 3: go back to Trey kaufmin Renn as the five. If

1427
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 3: they go, If they don't go small and they do

1428
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 3: pound Indiana inside, then Tucker to Rees has got to

1429
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 3: be able to hold his ground because there's been too

1430
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 3: many times this year where he gets into foul trouble, yes,

1431
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: and he gets off the court and then next thing

1432
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 3: you know, all the attention goes to Lamar Wilkerson and

1433
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 3: the offense is just stale.

1434
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 2: Its dead.

1435
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: Tucker to rees to me, he's a good player. He

1436
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 1: looks to me a little bit like a guy that

1437
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: was a Mobile Player of the Year, partially because he's

1438
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: very talented, and also because he's the coaches kid. And

1439
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: I know that that's not necessarily applicable at the D

1440
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: one level, but we all knew that guy. We all

1441
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: had that player, Eddie, you played little league baseball?

1442
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: Did you play little league baseball anywhere? Were you always

1443
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 2: just like a travel baseball guy?

1444
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 3: I did play little league baseball.

1445
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 2: What little league did you play in?

1446
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 3: The Decatur Central Little League?

1447
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: The Catur Central Little League, okay, and the Decatur Central

1448
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:43,759
Speaker 1: Little League are the teams named after Major league teams.

1449
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 3: Depends on the level. So like your age group, basically

1450
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 3: like you had college, you had minor league baseball teams,

1451
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 3: you had Major League baseball teams.

1452
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: What's your favorite team that you were on? The Charleston

1453
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: River Dogs. The River Dogs Charleston that actual name. Yeah, Okay,

1454
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 1: did you guys have Charleston Riverdog hats?

1455
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1456
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 2: What what exactly is a river dog? That's a river dog?

1457
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,560
Speaker 2: Just a dog that lives down by the river, k

1458
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 2: in a van down by the river.

1459
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1460
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: So when you were on the Charleston River Dogs, who

1461
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,560
Speaker 1: was your dad? Your coachy?

1462
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: He is one of them?

1463
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: Okay, well this might apply to you then, but every

1464
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: single team, every little league team, I'm not saying any names.

1465
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying any names.

1466
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, I played I played

1467
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: t ball obviously, but then in terms of Little League,

1468
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: I played for the Giants, I played for the Indians,

1469
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: and then two years on the Red Sox. Every little

1470
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: league team has the kid that got to be a

1471
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: picture because their dad was the coach. Now, Rad Fields

1472
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: was a pitcher, and a really good one.

1473
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,799
Speaker 3: Not applicable to me, Jake I was the catcher.

1474
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 2: Okay, but you probably had no names. But there was

1475
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 2: a kid.

1476
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: I guarantee you or a kid that makes the All

1477
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: Star team because his dad's a coach, and everybody's like.

1478
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:00,520
Speaker 2: That kid's notinve good.

1479
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: Same kid shows up and he's got half of Dick's

1480
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: sporting goods on. He's got the EyeBlack on, he's got

1481
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: pine tar, he's got the Barry Bonds elbow protector, he's

1482
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: got all of it. He's got the big league chwoo,

1483
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: he's got the whole deal, and then he goes out

1484
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: there and he's terrible. Now that's not Tucker Devreeze, that's

1485
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: not what I'm saying, but there is a little bit

1486
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: of that feel of At times you look at it

1487
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: and you go many when he was at Drake, for example,

1488
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: he must have absolutely been lined up because he's a

1489
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 1: good player, but it feels like he has the ninety

1490
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: percent athleticism that would allow you to be a really

1491
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: good mobile player, but that extra ten percent brings you

1492
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: back down to earth a little bit within the big ten.

1493
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: But you look at it and you say, I'll bet

1494
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: a ton of shots were driven his way earlier in

1495
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: his career.

1496
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: And he's a two thousand point scorer. But when you get.

1497
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: Him off killed her, and to use a pat Riley term,

1498
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: if you can get into his airspace, you can get

1499
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: him uncomfortable, and he can I'm not going to say derail,

1500
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: but he looks uncomfortable pretty quickly. And it's not easy

1501
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: to get him caught off guard. And I would anticipate

1502
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: that Prue's going to try to do that tonight. Get

1503
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 1: in there and get a little bit physical with him early,

1504
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: and then outside of that, I mean, if you get

1505
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: him off kilter and then you are corralling Wilkerson. I

1506
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: just don't know how many other offensive options Indiana has

1507
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: get all up in his business. That's right, look at you.

1508
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: You even did like a finger wag there. The other

1509
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: in defensive Darren debries in Indiana. He is a good

1510
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 1: coach and I think they're going to be just fine

1511
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: long term. At this point, they are in desperate need

1512
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: of a quality win. They don't have one yet. This

1513
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: would go a long way. And if they're going to

1514
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: be a bubble team and this is a roster that

1515
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: he had to it's really pretty incredible. Two things of

1516
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 1: which you got to give credit for. And I know

1517
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,640
Speaker 1: people don't want to hear this, but I led the

1518
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: show by saying this. I'm looking out right now at

1519
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: I seventy and I'm watching cars pass and they're probably

1520
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: going forty five to fifty. I can see tenth Street.

1521
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: There's a truck going past right now looks pretty clear.

1522
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: I can see on one of the side roads here,

1523
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm looking out. I can't see pen from here. I

1524
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: don't even know what this little side street is.

1525
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 3: But the one over here is tenth Street, right, No.

1526
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: Tenth that's going this way, the one that's coming towards you.

1527
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: That's just like an alleyway. But it is when you

1528
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: consider thirty six hours ago, we had a foot of

1529
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: snow that fell out of the sky.

1530
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 2: A foot.

1531
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember when a foot of snow

1532
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: literally had every I mean, as I say, everybody wants

1533
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: to sit here and complain and moan about the lack

1534
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: of the clearing of roads. But those same people flocked

1535
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: to the grocery stores on Saturday evening and loaded up

1536
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: with the weeks worth of groceries. Well, if if you

1537
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,599
Speaker 1: thought the roads were supposed to be cleared a day later,

1538
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: then why did you go out and buy weeks with

1539
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: the groceries? Got to be consistent in your emotion here,

1540
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: I think. All told, and listen, there are plenty of

1541
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: things to complain about in terms of the way things

1542
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: are run or lack thereof, in this town, don't get

1543
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: me wrong, And many of which I'll address once I

1544
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: announce officially my mayoral campaign. But this so, there are

1545
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: plenty of things to be upset about. I get it,

1546
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: But the clearing of roads in this particular snowstorm, I

1547
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,839
Speaker 1: don't think should be one of them. The main roads

1548
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 1: you can at the very least they are passibly able

1549
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: to get through, and considering that they had a foot

1550
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: of snowdrop a day ago, that's pretty impressive. And the

1551
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 1: same thing, if I'm giving credit and passing it out,

1552
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 1: where do Darren Devrees? I think you have to look

1553
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: at and say, yes, their roster may not be as

1554
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: complete as you would like, but you also have to

1555
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,799
Speaker 1: consider the timetable in which he had to put it together,

1556
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: and if you consider that, it's pretty commendable. But they

1557
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of scores outside of those two.

1558
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: And I do think that it is fairly easy to

1559
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: get them out of offensive rhythm, and that's an area

1560
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: that Produe can exploit. Tonight, Tyres Haliburton, talking about his

1561
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: journey back, just came out this morning.

1562
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 2: His comments.

1563
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: We'll play him for you next Stephen Holder coming up

1564
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes from now. You know, one conversation I

1565
01:22:52,240 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: had with a Pacers executive, probably two years ago. I

1566
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 1: don't remember the exact time frame. I think it was

1567
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: when Tyrese Haliburton was given his MAX contract extension with

1568
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: Indiana after they had traded for him, and I talked

1569
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: to one member of the Pacers' front office and we

1570
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: were discussing the fact having nothing to do with Tyrese Haliburton,

1571
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: but because max contracts were In the conversation, I was

1572
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: bringing up one of those fascinating dynamics of sport that

1573
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: I have noticed over the years, where when you sign

1574
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: a player to a big time deal, how often does

1575
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: that player play the lifetime of that deal with the

1576
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: team that he signed it with where it is beneficial

1577
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: for both all the way through? Because more often than not,

1578
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say more often, but seemingly it feels like

1579
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 1: when a player gets a big time deal like that,

1580
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 1: you see plenty of them that then by year four

1581
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: of a five year deal or year three of a

1582
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: five year deal, whatever it may be, that player suddenly

1583
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: becomes trade bait because the productivity is just not matching

1584
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: what the player at that point is getting paid. Michael

1585
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Pittman Jr. Comes to mind, great player, good guy, has

1586
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: played hurt been truly a guy that's put his body

1587
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: out there and he merited and was worth what it

1588
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: was the Colts gave him at that time. But now

1589
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: that you look at it and you're going, okay, based

1590
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: on the production, the emergence of Alec Pierce, et cetera,

1591
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,520
Speaker 1: is his contract still worth what we're getting in productivity

1592
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: or is that something that we may have to cut,

1593
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: reassess whatever trade, et cetera. Restructure And in the NBA,

1594
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 1: you see a lot of players that get a big

1595
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: time deal and you're like, oh wow, and then all

1596
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: of a sudden you look at the last two years

1597
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: of said deal and they're with like four different teams

1598
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: because they just it becomes a contract piece that teams

1599
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: are going just getting the contract for cap space futuristic,

1600
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1601
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 3: Malcolm Brogden prime example.

1602
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: He's a perfect player for this example, right.

1603
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 1: And so we were discussing that about Halliburton, and this

1604
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: Pacers executive said to me, you know, you know, and

1605
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: they weren't disagreeing with the sentiment, and they said, now

1606
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: this case with Tyrese Haliburt, They're like, you just wait,

1607
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: that's what do you mean? They said, there's just something

1608
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: about him. He has this it factor where he lifts

1609
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: everyone in the room. Not just his style of play

1610
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: lifts his teammates, but he has a persona and an

1611
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 1: energy and an enthusiasm and a personality and an optimism

1612
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: and a radiance that lifts everyone in the room. I

1613
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:02,480
Speaker 1: think they call that aura. Miss He has an aura, undoubtedly,

1614
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: and someday it truly will sink into me the level

1615
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: of fortune that we had to be able to watch

1616
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 1: it really is remarkable that last year, not only the

1617
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 1: shot he hit against Milwaukee in the regular season, but

1618
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: then to realize that the Pacers stole the opening round

1619
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: game of three different opponents four all four? Right, didn't

1620
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 1: he did he have a rabit out of the hat

1621
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: game against Milwaukee?

1622
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 3: Right, he had one where he hit the float over

1623
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 3: Patrick Beverley that was before the finals run.

1624
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then he had obviously the four point play

1625
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 2: against Milwaukee.

1626
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, that was a regular season game Cleveland. Though,

1627
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: he had a rabbit out of the hat against Cleveland. Right,

1628
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 1: he had one for sure against New York. And then

1629
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: obviously he hit the game winning game won against Oklahoma City.

1630
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the most remarkable runs. Ever, the

1631
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: point that I'm making here long winded is simply this

1632
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: the one thing that would be understandable. So much of

1633
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: recovery from injury and athletics is mental and emotional and psychological,

1634
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: and you would understand completely if Tyrese Haldeburton and everything

1635
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: that went into that and everything that was denied him

1636
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: causes him internally to have doubt, to have anger, to

1637
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: lose some of that aura. And I think it's something

1638
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 1: probably that he battles against of not getting simply bitter.

1639
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: But earlier today he did, or I shouldn't say earlier

1640
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: today is earlier today is when it was released. Eddie

1641
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:11,560
Speaker 1: informed me for what exactly it is that the podcast

1642
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: that he was.

1643
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,480
Speaker 3: On, it's Mind the Game with Steve Nash and Lebron James.

1644
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:19,799
Speaker 1: Okay, and he was asked about the process, the learning,

1645
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: everything that goes into this time away from being on

1646
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: the floor of this teammates heres Tyrese Halibert.

1647
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 8: Process has sucked, man, Like you know, there's been there's

1648
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 8: been good days, bad days. There's days where I sit

1649
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 8: there and I just keep asking like, why is this

1650
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 8: happening to me? It's hard for me to understand in

1651
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 8: this moment, but I understand that it's allowing me to

1652
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 8: grow in different ways, to grow in my faith, to

1653
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 8: grow in all these different ways that have been good

1654
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 8: for me. I think seeing the game of basketball, I'm

1655
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 8: watching it in a different light, Like I think it's

1656
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 8: different when you're getting ready to play, like a team

1657
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 8: like Boston for example, and they're like, Okay, we got

1658
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 8: a Payton Pritchard. I'm like, Okay, he's nice, But I'm

1659
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 8: all I'm focused on is.

1660
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: How can I get a stop.

1661
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 8: I'm not thinking about how he making his reads and stuff.

1662
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 8: And I was watching him the other day and just

1663
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 8: the way that he gets to guy's bodies at the rim.

1664
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 8: That's really something that I'm trying to focus on through

1665
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 8: my rehab, through my time to get back, is just

1666
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 8: being more physical. Peyton's one of the guys I watch.

1667
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 8: I see the way he can get to a guy's

1668
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 8: chest at the rim. I think Ar is like the

1669
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 8: perfect example, the way that he is so physical and

1670
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 8: can get to the free throw line. I remember when

1671
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 8: we were at the World Cup together, like, bro, I

1672
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 8: don't understand how you shoot all these free throws.

1673
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 2: Like I'm a point guard. I played forty minutes a game.

1674
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 4: I play way more than you.

1675
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 2: I can't even touch the feth line.

1676
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 8: He's like, Tyre's, I don't think you're doing a good

1677
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 8: job of getting the guy's bodies like he was real

1678
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 8: honest with me, and I didn't understand at the time.

1679
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 8: But as I've watched you guys play more, watched him

1680
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 8: play more, I'm seeing the way that he just does

1681
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 8: such a great job of getting the chest, tangling arms,

1682
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 8: like making such all these like perfect reads to get

1683
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 8: to the free throw. It is just something that I'm

1684
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 8: really trying to focus on adding through through rehab.

1685
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 2: And just as I watched.

1686
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: The game Okay that he's referencing, there is Austin Reeves

1687
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: and the voice that you heard affirming much of what

1688
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: he is saying, Lebron James. But at the outset of that,

1689
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 1: and that's the thing that makes I believe Tyrese Haliburton

1690
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: special and unique, the recognition that, yes, this has been

1691
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: a difficult process, but at the same time, the understanding

1692
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 1: of the ability to learn from it.

1693
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 2: And I think there are a lot of players, a

1694
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 2: lot of people that.

1695
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: Would sit back with a woe is me attitude or

1696
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,919
Speaker 1: screw the world attitude.

1697
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,759
Speaker 2: I think he's just wired differently. I may be wrong.

1698
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 1: I watch him pretty closely during the point of the

1699
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: timeouts and the interactions he has with his teammates at

1700
01:30:55,000 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: games still right now, and he is always encouraging and

1701
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: always seemingly in a good mood. Now, I am not

1702
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: naive to believe that that means that deep down he

1703
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have areas where he struggles, but the recognition of

1704
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 1: finding the positives or the things you can take away

1705
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 1: from a learning standpoint there, one would hope that that

1706
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: is good news, and that that means that you're going

1707
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,759
Speaker 1: to see an improved version of him when he does return.

1708
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 3: What'd you make his decision? I don't know if I'm

1709
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 3: assuming this is his, but instead of staying with the

1710
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 3: team through the five game road trip, he flies back

1711
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 3: home after Boston, and it's with my expert with everything

1712
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 3: that I know. The anticipation was that ty Reech was

1713
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 3: going to rejoin the team in Atlanta instead of going

1714
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,640
Speaker 3: out to Oklahoma City, but because of the weather, he

1715
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 3: wasn't able to rejoin the team yesterday down in Georgia,

1716
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 3: so he missed the final three games of the road trip.

1717
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 3: But your thoughts on tyre the emotions and not wanting

1718
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 3: to go back to Oklahoma City just yet.

1719
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 2: Totally understand that.

1720
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, one thing that surprised me, and I don't

1721
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: know if this was his decision. I there's probably no

1722
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 1: correct answer in this, But when I watched Starting five

1723
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 1: on Netflix, and one of the things about that show

1724
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: to me was I wanted to see more of the

1725
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,759
Speaker 1: in game stuff and they just kind of glossed over quickly,

1726
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 1: like the highlights of each game. But I watched it

1727
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: when in game seven and when he got hurt, and

1728
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 1: it certainly was pretty fascinating to see the video of

1729
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: inside the locker room and what he was doing in

1730
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 1: his reaction of watching the game. But I was surprised

1731
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: to learn in that documentary that Tyrese Haliburton did not

1732
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 1: speak to his teammates at halftime.

1733
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't mean that he like that came off the

1734
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 2: wrong way.

1735
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,639
Speaker 1: I was surprised to learn that he did not give

1736
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: like some sort of a speech or they did not

1737
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 1: ask him to do so. But at the same time,

1738
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: I also understand he was in a separate room, and

1739
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: you know, probably there was the thought process of like, look,

1740
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 1: the guys are ahead at the half. They got one

1741
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,560
Speaker 1: more half to play, They got to focus. Brick Carlisle's

1742
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 1: got to go over a few things, but it did surprise.

1743
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: He says in it that his regret, his one regret,

1744
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: is that he did not go in and give like

1745
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: a win one.

1746
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 2: For the Gipper speech.

1747
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that it would have made a difference,

1748
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 1: but I do understand that that would be a because

1749
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I mean, this is apples and

1750
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: oranges times ten thousand. But I was watching that show

1751
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: starting five. I was sitting there watching it with Shannon,

1752
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: and she was there at game seven, and it was

1753
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: difficult for her to I mean not difficult for her

1754
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: to watch it, but when she saw that, she was

1755
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I just it's like you know, and

1756
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 1: she was reliving like the emotion and she felt in

1757
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 1: being there in that moment. And then when we were

1758
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 1: watching the game the other night, Friday night in Oklahoma City,

1759
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, she was saying.

1760
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 2: She's like, man, that arena, you know, like it.

1761
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 1: Brought back for her right there, not a PTSD per se,

1762
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 1: but it immediately put her back in that moment of

1763
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:18,360
Speaker 1: that evening.

1764
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 2: So I can only imagine for him.

1765
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 1: I kind of get it why he wouldn't want to

1766
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: go back, and probably what he wants to make sure

1767
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 1: that his first return back is when he can go

1768
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: through the process. That will be a significant moment. I

1769
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:35,520
Speaker 1: can tell you, in coming back from something that physically

1770
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: ails you, you have moments of symbolism, you have places

1771
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 1: of symbolism and benchmarks in your mind, and that will

1772
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 1: be a big one for him. And I'd assume that

1773
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: he wants to return to it when he can go

1774
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: out and say, Okay, I completed a game on that floor.

1775
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: Stephen Holder joins us next. Now I could I'll be

1776
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: wrong in this. I was wrong once in nineteen seventy eight,

1777
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: and that happened again about three years ago, so I'm

1778
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 1: free to admit there are times where I'm wrong. So

1779
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: I could be wrong in this. Eddie Garrison can perhaps

1780
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: correct me.

1781
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 2: But I believe they all run together to me after

1782
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 2: a while.

1783
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: But Stevenholder of ESPN dot Com said to join us

1784
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:34,160
Speaker 1: in just a minute, and I.

1785
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 2: Believe and you folks can correct me if I'm wrong.

1786
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't think we've talked to Stevens since the Indiana

1787
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: Miami National Championship game.

1788
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 2: I could be wrong in that.

1789
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: But as we get set for the Super Bowl, there's

1790
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: plenty to talk about with Steven, including news in the NFL. Today,

1791
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,560
Speaker 1: Joe Brady is the new head football coach of the

1792
01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. He is promoted from offensive coordinator. Interesting move

1793
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 1: because you would think that if the Bills are going

1794
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 1: to make that kind of a change at head coach,

1795
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 1: that that means that they needed an altogether different direction.

1796
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 2: But I guess they would know better than most.

1797
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 4: Eddie.

1798
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 1: Is this the first time we've talked to Steven since

1799
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 1: the National Title Game?

1800
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 3: It is, indeed, Jacob. Remember we did the All Caller

1801
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 3: Tuesday show. That's right in celebration.

1802
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 2: That's right.

1803
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 1: So Steven joins us now on the Java House Peel

1804
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 1: and poor guest line. Steve and I saw before the

1805
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: National Championship game he took a picture with your former

1806
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,879
Speaker 1: colleague Zach Keeper, who of course was there rooting for Indiana.

1807
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: You were rooting for Miami. Understandable you grew up there

1808
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 1: at jer alma mater. Your overall thoughts before we get

1809
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: to the NFL, just on that game in general, not

1810
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 1: necessarily the exs and o's of the game, because we

1811
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: know all that, but just the atmosphere, the Indiana fans,

1812
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1813
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm not going to hold it against Zach.

1814
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 4: I will still talk to him. We're still friends, so

1815
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:02,800
Speaker 4: I'm not that petty. That's the first thing. You know

1816
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 4: what it was. It was pretty impressive. I can't lie.

1817
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 4: They Indiana showed up. Miami fans made a lot of money,

1818
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:14,320
Speaker 4: so there's that. I'm not mad at them for that,

1819
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 4: but it would have been nice to have more of

1820
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 4: us in the building. But I do think it was

1821
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 4: I mean, some people were saying fifty to fifty. I

1822
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 4: thought it was a little bit a little bit more

1823
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 4: lopsided to Indiana. I'll give Indiana that. Man. You know,

1824
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 4: they this they knew this was historic. Indiana fans knew

1825
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 4: this was historic and treated it like that. The other

1826
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:41,759
Speaker 4: reality is that, like Miami fans, it's like, I'm getting

1827
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 4: off the subject and this is not what you asked me.

1828
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 4: But I just feel the need to say this. Miami

1829
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 4: fans are a little misunderstood right Like it's it's certainly

1830
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 4: a big there's certainly a lot of fans locally that

1831
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 4: that root for Miami, but they also don't have the

1832
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 4: same emotional tie because we're a small private school, right,

1833
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 4: they don't have this huge alumni base, so people aren't

1834
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 4: necessarily as invested, but like they're definitely they definitely grew

1835
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 4: up Colts. I mean Canes fans, right if you were

1836
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 4: if you were here in the you know, in the

1837
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 4: nineties and two thousands, eighties, nineties or two thousands. But

1838
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 4: I do think it's a little different, like right when Indiana,

1839
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 4: like someone in your family probably went went to EU

1840
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 4: if you grew up in Indiana, you know what I mean,

1841
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 4: like you have, right, there's many more ties. It's just different.

1842
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,759
Speaker 4: The big state school that is, you know, one hundred

1843
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 4: and something years old. I don't know what it is

1844
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 4: off the top of my head, but don't have the

1845
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,519
Speaker 4: history that Miami has. So it's just it's just a

1846
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,759
Speaker 4: complicated history. And then the other thing is that Miami

1847
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 4: is is basically half transplants. No one's from here. It's

1848
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 4: just the reality. So uh, you know, we got a

1849
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 4: bunch of New Yorkers and you know, people from everywhere

1850
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 4: else that wanted to get out of the snow and

1851
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 4: then they moved here and they're like, oh, they played

1852
01:38:55,640 --> 01:39:00,879
Speaker 4: football here. That's interesting. So anyway, but awesome event. Everybody

1853
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 4: got along. I think both schools fans understood like the

1854
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 4: gravity of them being there and how special it was,

1855
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 4: and so win or lose, everybody was going to walk

1856
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 4: away from that feeling like, damn, we did something big

1857
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 4: this year.

1858
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: So were the IU fans pretty cool to the Miami

1859
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: fans and vice versa.

1860
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, I think everything. I think everybody

1861
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 4: got along great. And it's weird for me too, right,

1862
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 4: because I saw so many Indiana people I knew, like

1863
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 4: tons at the game, and you know, all my Miami

1864
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 4: people looking at me like, how do you know all

1865
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 4: these people? Like where do I live? Man? It's like

1866
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 4: so it was just it was a little bit odd that,

1867
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 4: like I knew as many Indiana fans at the game

1868
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 4: as they did Miami fans almost, you know, these people

1869
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 4: that I knew personally, right, So that was weird. My

1870
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 4: experience was a little odd for that reason. But I

1871
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 4: thought everybody got along great. You know, I was sitting

1872
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 4: in a section that was a little more heavily slanted

1873
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 4: to the Miami section, you know, the way the tickets

1874
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,799
Speaker 4: were divvied up. Our tickets were definitely in the Miami

1875
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:05,839
Speaker 4: section if you will. But we were toward the fringe

1876
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,280
Speaker 4: of that area and there were tons of Indiana fans

1877
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 4: mixed in where I was sitting, and there was no

1878
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 4: animosity whatsoever. I stayed. I watched the celebration after the game,

1879
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 4: like it was cool, you know what I mean, Like

1880
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 4: I thought everybody got along. Well, there wasn't a lot

1881
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 4: of arrogance. I don't feel like on either side. If

1882
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 4: there's any arrogance, I'm not gonna lie. It's gonna be

1883
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 4: Miami fans, right, they're akin to some of us, at

1884
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 4: least not me, but some are akin to like Raiders fans.

1885
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 4: I would say, oh okay, But it's been a long time,

1886
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 4: so like people have learned to, like, you know, shut

1887
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:40,800
Speaker 4: the hell up and not talk too much.

1888
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: Trash eighteen twenty, by the way, the first year of

1889
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: Indiana University. Stephen Holder of my guest ESPN dot com,

1890
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 1: where you can read his work. Before we get to

1891
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 1: talking about the Colts and the Super Bowl, Steven curious

1892
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 1: of this. You went to the game, if I'm not mistaken,

1893
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:57,799
Speaker 1: with a couple of college buddies. Typically when that happens,

1894
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,719
Speaker 1: there's always one guy that you find out like doesn't

1895
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:02,640
Speaker 1: get a lot of hall passes at home during the

1896
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:06,799
Speaker 1: regular year, and thus, as a result, just goes absolutely

1897
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: hogwhile before you know it, it's wearing like lampshades on

1898
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 1: his head.

1899
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 2: Any of that.

1900
01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 4: No, But but I do have a degenerate gambler in

1901
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 4: the group who was like, like, hey, I'm just gonna

1902
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 4: you know, I'm just gonna like hang out as a

1903
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 4: casino for a little bit. And then next thing you know,

1904
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 4: it's like I was there a will five in the morning.

1905
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:28,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, you got a problem. Man, Like you know,

1906
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 4: it's okay, Like we're friends, we can we can get

1907
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 4: through this. So you know, you learn more about people

1908
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:35,600
Speaker 4: as you spend more time with them. You know.

1909
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. All right, Okay, let's I talked about this yesterday.

1910
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 2: I want your thought on it.

1911
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,920
Speaker 1: When you look at Seattle and you look at New England,

1912
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: which if either of those two teams offers optimism for

1913
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 1: the way the Colts are being built, and which one

1914
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,520
Speaker 1: is an indictment on the Colts.

1915
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 4: Okay, So I but you said out of the out

1916
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 4: of the out of the Patriots and Seahawks.

1917
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 1: Correct, of the two in the Super Bowl, is there

1918
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 1: one that offers glimpse for the Colts of optimism and

1919
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:12,400
Speaker 1: is there one that you say, see this is where

1920
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: the Colts aired, they should have done it this way.

1921
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 4: Hmm. You know, it's funny because I think I think

1922
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:25,080
Speaker 4: both of those teams. I don't know that there's a

1923
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 4: lot that I take away from them that I can

1924
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,920
Speaker 4: apply to the Colts unfortunately, but I will say I

1925
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 4: will say this, I think the Seahawks are what the

1926
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 4: Colts hoped to be this year, and now they were

1927
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 4: never going to be that, right because they don't have

1928
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 4: like Jackson Smith and Jigba or you know, someone like

1929
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 4: that necessarily, like a completely dominant receiver. Maybe they're missing

1930
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 4: some some pieces like that. Defensively, I don't know if

1931
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,880
Speaker 4: their talent was ever going to be on that level,

1932
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 4: but I think in theory the Colts were like, look

1933
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 4: if we get because remember they had they had Geno

1934
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:04,799
Speaker 4: Smith right, and they were like, we got an upgrade.

1935
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 4: The Colts had Anthony Richardson right, and they were like,

1936
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:11,560
Speaker 4: we got to upgrade. So there's the there's the parallel,

1937
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 4: I think, and both those teams did upgrade at quarterback

1938
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,679
Speaker 4: for sure, but one guy stayed healthy and was able

1939
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:21,679
Speaker 4: to see it through. The other guy didn't. So now

1940
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 4: we're back in this state where we're like, all right,

1941
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 4: he was an upgrade, but like, you know, what's what's

1942
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 4: the what's the ceiling with Daniel Jones, we still don't know,

1943
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 4: right because he didn't get to see it through, So

1944
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 4: we don't know what that ceiling is. Now the Seahawks

1945
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 4: have found what Sam Darnold's ceiling is. So and and

1946
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 4: then there's also the parallel of both those quarterbacks being

1947
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,799
Speaker 4: guys who were trying to, you know, find their way

1948
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:49,560
Speaker 4: after failing in the previous situation. Obviously, so that is obvious.

1949
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,520
Speaker 4: But I do think I would say Seattle is probably

1950
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 4: more of the test case for the Colts. The question,

1951
01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 4: as I said, though, is do they have enough? Do

1952
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,760
Speaker 4: they they can they compete outside of quarterback? Do they

1953
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 4: have enough? And I don't know that they do. That's

1954
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 4: a question that is still TBD. But the other thing

1955
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 4: there is it's not just quarterback that, like dominant defense

1956
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 4: can take you a long way. There was a period

1957
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 4: this season where Sam Donald hit a rough patch and

1958
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 4: their offense in general hit a rough patch just before

1959
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 4: they played the Colts, and go back and look at

1960
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 4: the results. I believe they went two games without scoring

1961
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 4: an offensive touchdown, if I'm not mistaken. So what carried

1962
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 4: them was their defense through that they were able to

1963
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 4: survive it, and then their offense found its way here

1964
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 4: in the playoffs and look at them now, right. So

1965
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 4: ultimately that defense is going to have to carry you

1966
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 4: at some point, no matter how good your offense is.

1967
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 4: And so that's another takeaway from the Seahawks there.

1968
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 1: You know, Donald, I remember you saying, Steven Holder, my

1969
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,560
Speaker 1: guest Java House Peel and poor guest line Steven. I

1970
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: remember you saying before the National Championship game when we

1971
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:58,719
Speaker 1: were talking about Miami in Indiana, and you said Carson

1972
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Beck is prone to turno or mistakes, and we saw,

1973
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:04,599
Speaker 1: you know that Indiana got it at the end when

1974
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 1: it mattered most. Sam Darnald, to me, is a good story.

1975
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:11,360
Speaker 1: I think most people would agree with that. This is

1976
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 1: a guy that by all account seems likable. He was

1977
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: in a couple of pretty bad situations. I thought last year,

1978
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, against Minnesota, played really or for Minnesota, I

1979
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:22,640
Speaker 1: mean played really well. But then at the end of

1980
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: the year it kind of reverted back. And we saw

1981
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 1: that from Daniel Jones right started to slide a little

1982
01:45:27,320 --> 01:45:30,760
Speaker 1: bit into what the Giants had let go? Is there

1983
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 1: the possibility that and I want Seattle to win the game?

1984
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,799
Speaker 1: Open disclaimer, but I'm worried that Darnald is that Midnight

1985
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 1: is going to strike and he's going to have two

1986
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:40,759
Speaker 1: turnovers in him in the Super Bowl?

1987
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 2: Am I too paranoid?

1988
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 4: I No, I mean I think there's there's a track

1989
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 4: record there. We can't ignore it. I mean, but I

1990
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 4: would say this. I was waiting for him to fall

1991
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 4: apart in the playoffs two. Okay, this full disclosure, not

1992
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 4: like rooting for it, but just anticipating it. You know

1993
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 4: what I'm saying based upon what happened last year. I

1994
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:08,200
Speaker 4: do think though that now there is a body of

1995
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:13,400
Speaker 4: work from Sam Donald over two years. Okay, maybe we

1996
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:15,560
Speaker 4: don't have this with Daniel Jones. What we have with

1997
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones is like ten games. But with Sam Darnold, now,

1998
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 4: if you exclude that that wild card game last year,

1999
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 4: you have a body of work over two years. That's

2000
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:30,720
Speaker 4: pretty good. That's a long time, right, And I'm not

2001
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 4: saying there haven't been any bumps in the road in there.

2002
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:35,799
Speaker 4: There's been a couple of you know, doozies. I'm sure,

2003
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:41,240
Speaker 4: but I think that's meaningful two years of it. So

2004
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:45,720
Speaker 4: they have a lot more to judge him based upon.

2005
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 4: The Seahawks have a lot more to judge Donald based

2006
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 4: upon than the Colts do. And your question wasn't about

2007
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 4: wasn't about the Colts. But I'm just, you know, taking

2008
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 4: it full circle here. They have a lot more to

2009
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:00,799
Speaker 4: judge Sam Darnald on than the Colts to do Daniel Jones,

2010
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 4: which is kind of interesting. So I'm gonna give him

2011
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 4: a little benefit of the doubt here.

2012
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:09,919
Speaker 1: I think I am Okay, early glance at it, advantage

2013
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: super Bowl goes to who.

2014
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:17,680
Speaker 4: I think Seattle's a more complete team. They've they've got

2015
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 4: a more experienced quarterback. Now, granted we just talked about

2016
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 4: you know, will he will he be that guy when

2017
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 4: when the time comes, and we'll see, but I do

2018
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 4: think certainly he's a more experienced quarterback. Drake may is

2019
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 4: a is a really fine player. I really like Drake

2020
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 4: may I liked him. Frankly when the Colts played at

2021
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:38,640
Speaker 4: New England last year, I walked away from that game. Now,

2022
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 4: the Patriots were awful, but I walked away from that

2023
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 4: game saying, you know what, this guy he's he's a guy.

2024
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 4: I think this kid's going to be a guy. And

2025
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 4: so anyway, so I like, I like him. I like

2026
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 4: his future. I mean, he's like twenty four, twenty three,

2027
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 4: twenty four, so he's going to be fine. But I

2028
01:47:55,360 --> 01:48:00,320
Speaker 4: think right now, I think the Seahawks are again them

2029
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 4: a slight edge as the more complete team, and I

2030
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 4: think that's what's going to carry them. I like, like,

2031
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,880
Speaker 4: where's the weakness in their team? There aren't a lot.

2032
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 4: I mean, they're even going to like special teams, you know.

2033
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:14,680
Speaker 4: So I think in all three phases, I think that

2034
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 4: team is superior.

2035
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 1: Neither of these teams a year ago did we think

2036
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,880
Speaker 1: they would be in the super Bowl today? This is

2037
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 1: not Buffalo or Kansas City or San Francisco or the

2038
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,759
Speaker 1: Rams that have knocked on the door or had success

2039
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:33,480
Speaker 1: of late. Does that give optimism for the Colts.

2040
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 4: A little bit? I think that you also have to

2041
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 4: look at for particularly the Patriots. I think would the

2042
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 4: Patriots be in the Super Bowl if Lamar Jackson had

2043
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 4: had gotten his act together this year, if the Chiefs

2044
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 4: had done a better job in the offseason, and Patrick

2045
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 4: Mahone's not gotten hurt. If Joe Burrow, per usual hadn't

2046
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 4: gotten hurt, I don't know. I mean, I think that

2047
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 4: they struck gold at the right time. They got their

2048
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 4: act together at the right time, when the AFC was

2049
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,679
Speaker 4: as wide open as we have seen it in however

2050
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:14,639
Speaker 4: long I mean many years. I think, you know, certainly

2051
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,599
Speaker 4: as wide open as it's ever been in the Mahomes era.

2052
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 4: I mean, to not have to face Patrick Mahomes in

2053
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:23,920
Speaker 4: the playoffs as a win period, you know. So I

2054
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 4: do think for the Patriots, I think they're going to

2055
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 4: be around for a while. I'm not saying they won't.

2056
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:31,400
Speaker 4: And I love Mike Rabel, that guy. He can coach

2057
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:33,320
Speaker 4: his ass off, There's no questions about it. But all

2058
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 4: I'm saying is I don't know if that is instructive

2059
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 4: of what the Colts can do, like next year when

2060
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:43,639
Speaker 4: those teams maybe regroup, you know what I'm saying, it's

2061
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 4: going to be back to potentially at least the powerhouse AFC,

2062
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 4: you would think in theory, right, So that's a question.

2063
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 4: But I do think, but I do think there is

2064
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 4: a lesson to take away there, which is, you know,

2065
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 4: if you get the quarterback right and and you assemble

2066
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 4: your roster in the right way. The Patriots also, we're

2067
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:04,840
Speaker 4: aggressive and free agency. That's got to be a part

2068
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,160
Speaker 4: of it. For the Colts, they're aggressive and free agency.

2069
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 4: You can make a quick road back.

2070
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 6: Uh.

2071
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:16,040
Speaker 4: The Seahawks, I think a little slightly different deal, but

2072
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:20,839
Speaker 4: certainly coaching has been a big part of it. Defense. Defense, defense,

2073
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 4: I mean that that team's built on defense and then

2074
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 4: offensively just just a just an unbelievable playmaker in JSN

2075
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 4: and the right quarterback at the right time. You know,

2076
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 4: it's it's the Colts have some of that. So I

2077
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:37,000
Speaker 4: don't think they're that far away. But I also am

2078
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:39,679
Speaker 4: not predicting that it's going to be this instant turnaround

2079
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 4: because it's hard. You can't you can't skip any of

2080
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 4: those steps. You got to hit all of them, right,

2081
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 4: And the Colts said they skip some. You know, you've

2082
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 4: got to rush the quarterback, all these different things, right. So,

2083
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 4: but I do not think that they're in some barren wilderness.

2084
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 4: I don't believe that. But I'm not saying they're knocking

2085
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:56,960
Speaker 4: on the door either.

2086
01:50:57,240 --> 01:51:00,679
Speaker 2: Steven. I want you to you know, we need Eddie,

2087
01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 2: We need a sounder of.

2088
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 1: Mood music, like when I tell people I want him

2089
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 1: to close their eyes, and you're almost like meditative music,

2090
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 1: because I'm going to ask Stephen to do a little

2091
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: meditative exercise here, right, Steve, And you're a pretty easy

2092
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:15,280
Speaker 1: going guy, but I want you to pretend you're in

2093
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:19,240
Speaker 1: the salt cave. You got some Aroma candles going, and

2094
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: you're just listening to nice. You're just taking yourself somewhere else. Okay, Calgon,

2095
01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 1: take me away here, okay. And and in this moment,

2096
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,840
Speaker 1: so in this moment, you are sitting there and you

2097
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: are getting ready to enjoy the opening day of.

2098
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 2: Thank you, Eddie, thank you.

2099
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:45,719
Speaker 1: It's you're you're enjoying mom opening day of Colts training

2100
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:49,480
Speaker 1: camp at Grand Park. It's a beautiful day in Westfield,

2101
01:51:50,360 --> 01:51:52,479
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there and you've got out your laptop

2102
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:54,719
Speaker 1: and you're watching over and you're thinking about the privilege

2103
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: you have of being the beat writer of the Indianapolis

2104
01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 1: Colts for ESPN dot com. And and as you're looking

2105
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:05,720
Speaker 1: over and feeling your fortune and relaxing in this, you

2106
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,360
Speaker 1: realize that you have the pleasure right then to watch

2107
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 1: as of opening day of training camp, the number one

2108
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:17,320
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts in that moment throwing to

2109
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: his top three receivers in drills. The four players that

2110
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:28,479
Speaker 1: you are envisioning in this therapeutic exercise are what four players?

2111
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 4: Well, this is a trick question, I think, because it's

2112
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 4: the first day of training camp and so the question

2113
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,280
Speaker 4: becomes is Daniel Jones ready to play?

2114
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 1: This is that This is part of why we have

2115
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 1: the therapeutic music, so that you can find yourself in

2116
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,440
Speaker 1: the moment to answer exactly.

2117
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 3: That find your inners in.

2118
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 2: That's right. You see the way that you're reaching.

2119
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:54,240
Speaker 1: You see the way that Jake was where he's going

2120
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:56,400
Speaker 1: with this here, right, that's right.

2121
01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:01,800
Speaker 4: So short aside, I did this deal where in the

2122
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 4: Dominican Republic. Last time I was there, we went to

2123
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 4: the spa and got a massage. This is definitely the

2124
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:14,599
Speaker 4: same saw may play Okay, Okay, So anyway I would say,

2125
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 4: I would say that Daniel Jones starts on pop the

2126
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,839
Speaker 4: pup list. Okay, so he is not on the field.

2127
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 4: This is my prediction, and I predict you are watching

2128
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 4: Riley Leonard throw to I think, okay, I think Michael

2129
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:40,280
Speaker 4: Michael Pittman, Alec Pears and Josh Downs. Okay, I think

2130
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:46,160
Speaker 4: I think they restructure Pittman, bring them back and they

2131
01:53:46,280 --> 01:53:49,160
Speaker 4: keep their receivers together and pay Alec Pears a lot

2132
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:49,599
Speaker 4: of money.

2133
01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 3: Okay, And yes, am I confident about it somewhat now.

2134
01:53:55,680 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 1: But that's that's my gap now. In January, here's the thing.

2135
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:01,920
Speaker 1: Eddie the music again, please if you could. We're playing

2136
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 1: this music because you are conducting an interview with Anthony Richardson,

2137
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:12,879
Speaker 1: who's on a massage table getting ready for his return,

2138
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 1: his triumphant return to the National Football League. And he

2139
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:19,759
Speaker 1: is getting a massage because, as we know, his body,

2140
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:24,800
Speaker 1: while impressive, is one that is rather fragile, and he's

2141
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 1: getting ready to go out for training camp for his

2142
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 1: opportunity to stake his claim as an extended lifetime in

2143
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:36,200
Speaker 1: the National Football League as a quarterback. It is training

2144
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: camp and you're getting ready to talk to him, and

2145
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:42,680
Speaker 1: you're inside of a spa with Anthony Richardson.

2146
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 2: You walk out and you get in your car. You

2147
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 2: were in what state? Where are you?

2148
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 4: First of all, this is getting very weird. I don't know.

2149
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 1: That I didn't say to Shaun Watson. I didn't say

2150
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:57,120
Speaker 1: to Shawn Watson I'm just saying. So you're talking to

2151
01:54:57,160 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson on the eve of his day of training camp.

2152
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 2: You were in what state?

2153
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 4: Hm? I am in hmm, this is good, This is good.

2154
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 4: Give me a second, me a second, processing uh, Arizona. Okay,

2155
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 4: I'm kind of bringing multiple quarterbacks.

2156
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:21,400
Speaker 2: I feel I got a lot of spas in Arizona too, Right.

2157
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 4: That makes sense? See see there you go? Yeah, so hey,

2158
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 4: when one quick aside, I actually did an interview once

2159
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 4: with Dwayne Wade sitting on the massage table pregame and

2160
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 4: he's getting like, I don't know, getting one of those

2161
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 4: like case the physical therapist or something giving him a massage,

2162
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 4: and he fell asleep in the middle of the interview.

2163
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:47,120
Speaker 4: That's the true story, you know.

2164
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 2: That's the word I got.

2165
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 1: That happens to sixty percent of the people I talked

2166
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: to on the radio, Steven, So I can completely relate, right,

2167
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 1: totally understanding.

2168
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 4: Listen, listen when you talk about quality journalism, That's what

2169
01:55:57,760 --> 01:55:58,840
Speaker 4: I'm talking about. Okay.

2170
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 1: So, the my very first big time interview that I

2171
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 1: got to do. I mentioned this before on the air,

2172
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 1: but Tony gwyn was with the Podrays and he spent

2173
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:09,800
Speaker 1: his off seasons in Indianapolis. Somebody have even told you

2174
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 1: the story, Stephen, And when I was like twenty five story, yeah, yeah,

2175
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:15,240
Speaker 1: I got a credential to go cover a Podrais game

2176
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 1: and I wanted to do a thing on the fact

2177
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 1: Tony gwyn lived here. And two hours before the game starts,

2178
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 1: I walked, I mean, as green and as naive as

2179
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 1: it gets. I walked right back into the clubhouse and

2180
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:28,160
Speaker 1: Tony Gwinn's laying on a training table getting stretched, and

2181
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 1: I walked right up. Hey, Tony, it's Drake Querry for Indianapolis.

2182
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 1: Can I interview you?

2183
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 2: And the trainer looks at me like, what in the

2184
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:35,600
Speaker 2: world who let you in here?

2185
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:37,640
Speaker 1: I was at Kramer trying to get Paul O'Neil to

2186
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:39,600
Speaker 1: hit two dangers for a kid in the hospital, and

2187
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 1: Tony Gwynn looks at me and looks at him and goes, no,

2188
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:45,640
Speaker 1: it's cool, man, it's cool. And he's like, yeah, meet

2189
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:47,480
Speaker 1: me and my locker, and he could not have been

2190
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 1: a nicer, more down to earth guy. I think I

2191
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 1: told you that story at a Pacer game, but he

2192
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, great, Yeah, I could do this all day.

2193
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 1: I won't because you know, you have actual commercials. But

2194
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 1: I actually I covered Gang Keep spring training one time

2195
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:04,480
Speaker 1: in Tampa, and I didn't know there was like a

2196
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 1: pecking order to like who could ask the first question

2197
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 1: like Jeter, and so I just went in there and

2198
01:57:10,240 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 1: like everybody's just standing around, like, well, I got a question.

2199
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 1: I really need an answer for this. I got right

2200
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 1: this fricking story they gave me.

2201
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:17,720
Speaker 4: I gotta ask, well. I mean, if you guys aren't

2202
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:19,600
Speaker 4: gonna ask a question, I'll ask the questions. And I

2203
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:21,880
Speaker 4: got Glarius like that. In New York media, They're like

2204
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 4: they were gonna they were going to assault me. It

2205
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 4: was like it's like a thing you gotta like dough,

2206
01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 4: the whole banter and all that. And I was like,

2207
01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:31,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I don't know the rules. So

2208
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 4: I shut up the rest of the entire day.

2209
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 1: Okay, say one word of your early days as a reporter.

2210
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:42,240
Speaker 1: Give me the two players that jump out at you

2211
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 1: as being the ones that you now look back on

2212
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 1: and realize they knew you were young, they knew you

2213
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: were inexperienced, but they were understanding and appreciative and were

2214
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 1: total class acts about it. Tony Gwyn would be one

2215
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:57,320
Speaker 1: to me. Reggie Miller would be another for me.

2216
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:04,440
Speaker 4: I like this, I like this. I would say, hmm, okay,

2217
01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 4: this happened to me with Anthony Mason one time. Okay,

2218
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 4: which this is a really surprising answer, probably, but Anthony Mason,

2219
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,640
Speaker 4: who is one of the scariest human beings I've ever met,

2220
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:18,840
Speaker 4: all right, I believe he had just gotten traded to

2221
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:21,680
Speaker 4: the Heat and I was like, I was like one

2222
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 4: step above intern or something. At the Miami Herald and

2223
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:30,680
Speaker 4: I was sitting there covering a w NBA game when

2224
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 4: we had a team back then, and he's sitting courtside.

2225
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 4: Now he's just gotten traded. No one thought to him,

2226
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 4: and he's sitting courtside. So I'm like, at halftime, I'm like,

2227
01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 4: I'm going for it. So I go over there and

2228
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 4: I get I grabbed my at halftime and I said

2229
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,880
Speaker 4: something really stupid and put my foot in my mouth,

2230
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 4: and he just looked at me. He's like, you were

2231
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:55,120
Speaker 4: doing so well. And his friends sitting next to me

2232
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,320
Speaker 4: and they laughed their butts off at me. But then

2233
01:58:57,360 --> 01:58:59,080
Speaker 4: he gave me the interview and we talked and I

2234
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:01,320
Speaker 4: was like, this is cool. And my bosses were thrilled.

2235
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 4: So anyway, that's the one that comes to mind. And

2236
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:05,760
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie like it's it's the part of

2237
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 4: the job that like you're mortified in the moment. But

2238
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna tell you something, if you ever

2239
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:14,960
Speaker 4: run into me at a bar, like you're gonna be

2240
01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:17,960
Speaker 4: there for three hours because I had so many stories, man,

2241
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, I have so many

2242
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 4: stories and I'm unfortunate to have them because I had

2243
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:25,160
Speaker 4: these interactions. So like, he didn't punch me, may I

2244
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:26,360
Speaker 4: think and he's passed on now.

2245
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 2: I think when he is, the late great Anthony Mason.

2246
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:31,360
Speaker 4: Yes, when I was he he didn't punch me, and

2247
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:32,320
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

2248
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:34,720
Speaker 1: When I was a young buck at Channel six, and

2249
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 1: basically they would do me the favor of giving me

2250
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,120
Speaker 1: a microphone and allowing me to go in with the

2251
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:42,480
Speaker 1: different photographers just to get sound bites right, and I

2252
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:45,520
Speaker 1: would ask questions. But but I was behind the scenes guy.

2253
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:49,440
Speaker 1: And once one day Ed Sorenson walked in, he goes,

2254
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:50,480
Speaker 1: what are you still doing here?

2255
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 4: Man?

2256
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,200
Speaker 1: Like you you're afraid to go out and test the waters.

2257
01:59:53,320 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 1: You just need to make a resume tape and get

2258
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:57,120
Speaker 1: it out there. And I'm like, you know what, You're right.

2259
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:01,680
Speaker 1: So that night after game, I walked up to Reggie

2260
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:03,640
Speaker 1: Miller and I look back on this Steven, and I

2261
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:08,360
Speaker 1: think to myself, this is so incredibly naive, immature and unprofessional.

2262
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:08,720
Speaker 2: Right.

2263
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:11,640
Speaker 1: But I walked up to Reggie Miller and said and

2264
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:13,400
Speaker 1: told him what I was doing. I'm putting together a

2265
02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:16,960
Speaker 1: resume tape. I'm trying to start a career. And I said,

2266
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 1: if I hand you the microphone, can you say, please

2267
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 1: hire this guy and get him out of Indianapolis because

2268
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:27,760
Speaker 1: he always asks the hardest questions. And Reggie Miller goes, God, sure,

2269
02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:30,640
Speaker 1: So he grabs the microphone, looks at the camera and says,

2270
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm Reggie Miller the Indiana Pacers. If you're a news

2271
02:00:33,320 --> 02:00:36,520
Speaker 1: director contemplating hiring Jake Query, please do it because you

2272
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:38,360
Speaker 1: got to get this guy out of the market because

2273
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:40,720
Speaker 1: he always asks the hardest questions.

2274
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:45,240
Speaker 2: And then, right, so I get the job. I left.

2275
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:46,640
Speaker 2: I got a job in Saint Louis. I left.

2276
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:50,360
Speaker 1: I come back to Indianapolis. I'm home, like at winter

2277
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:52,000
Speaker 1: break or whatever it might have been. It must have

2278
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,120
Speaker 1: been in the summer or something, and I was out

2279
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:57,040
Speaker 1: and I run into him and I walk up to

2280
02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 1: thank him for doing it, and as soon as I will,

2281
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:02,880
Speaker 1: he's like, man, that it worked, didn't it? It worked

2282
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,600
Speaker 1: because I was on Fox Sports Midwest, which Terry Pacer games,

2283
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:07,839
Speaker 1: and he was aware of it, and I always always

2284
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:10,080
Speaker 1: appreciated that. I always thought it was cool. All right,

2285
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:12,360
Speaker 1: last one before they go, I will add one more

2286
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:13,160
Speaker 1: UKA for two.

2287
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 4: I'll give you one other one real quick, and it's

2288
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:19,520
Speaker 4: not sports. The late John McCain. I interviewed him once,

2289
02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:22,320
Speaker 4: and I was a news reporter once upon a time

2290
02:01:22,360 --> 02:01:25,040
Speaker 4: because like you know, I actually had like have journalism

2291
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:29,400
Speaker 4: experience and stuff, you know. So anyhow, yeah, I interviewed

2292
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:34,680
Speaker 4: the day after the Clinton hearings impeachment hearings ended. The

2293
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 4: country's in you know, complete disarray, and I was sent

2294
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:42,280
Speaker 4: down to this this Republican conference at the Doral Country

2295
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 4: Club in Miami because he was going to be there,

2296
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:46,480
Speaker 4: and they're like, you got to get John McCain, and

2297
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:48,320
Speaker 4: I'm terrified. And I got him. I was like twenty

2298
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:50,320
Speaker 4: two years old. I got him, and he and I

2299
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 4: didn't know what the hell I was talking about, and

2300
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:54,800
Speaker 4: he gave me, like he answered all of my clubs.

2301
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 2: But he was great.

2302
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 4: He was great, He was he was absolutely great. Anday, anyway,

2303
02:01:58,640 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 4: I always appreciate.

2304
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:02,600
Speaker 1: The biggest horses ass you ever dealt with. And if

2305
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 1: it's somebody that you currently have to deal with and

2306
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:05,960
Speaker 1: you don't want to say it for that reason, I understand,

2307
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:10,520
Speaker 1: right right, I.

2308
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,760
Speaker 4: Would say I haven't had a ton of them, believe

2309
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:13,240
Speaker 4: it or not.

2310
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:16,960
Speaker 2: But I have not either. But there's one that jumps out, Well.

2311
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:18,800
Speaker 4: There's there's probably a few, but you know who, you

2312
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:20,800
Speaker 4: know who gave me a hard time. Not I say

2313
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:23,440
Speaker 4: say a hard time, but just like you made my

2314
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:27,080
Speaker 4: job hard with but Davis former University MINDI coach. Well,

2315
02:02:27,080 --> 02:02:29,960
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say it was like the horses ass necessarily,

2316
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,440
Speaker 4: but like, dude, you just lied. Like dude, you're lying,

2317
02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:35,560
Speaker 4: and we documented that you're lying to us, You know

2318
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 4: what I mean. It's like, come on, have a little

2319
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:40,320
Speaker 4: more respect for me than that. Anyway, I would I

2320
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:41,880
Speaker 4: would give you a better answer if I thought about

2321
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:43,400
Speaker 4: it longer, though, I assure.

2322
02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:46,520
Speaker 1: You mine is Randy Johnson. But that's probably no surprise

2323
02:02:46,600 --> 02:02:49,480
Speaker 1: to anybody. That does not does not make me unique

2324
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:53,080
Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. All Right, Steven appreciate

2325
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:55,400
Speaker 1: the time. As always, We'll have a little more idea

2326
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl next time we talked.

2327
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:59,120
Speaker 2: Probably we can get into it further then, all right,

2328
02:02:59,200 --> 02:02:59,640
Speaker 2: sounds good.

2329
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:03,200
Speaker 1: Steven Older joining us at ESPN dot com. Randy Johnson,

2330
02:03:03,240 --> 02:03:06,880
Speaker 1: by the way, he was with the Diamondbacks, I was

2331
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 1: covering the Cardinals. He was just difficult, like intentionally difficult.

2332
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:14,520
Speaker 1: And he's now a photographer, has a great passion for

2333
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:18,080
Speaker 1: it and one cool thing he's he has been almost

2334
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:20,920
Speaker 1: annually at the Grand Prix, the Long Beach Grand Prix

2335
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,760
Speaker 1: for Indy car He's got a thirst for cars as well.

2336
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:27,120
Speaker 1: And I remember I went up to him one time there.

2337
02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:28,520
Speaker 1: I was just like, hey, you know, any chance we

2338
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,800
Speaker 1: can grab you real quick whatever. He was totally rude

2339
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:33,600
Speaker 1: about it. And he grew up in middle school with

2340
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:36,040
Speaker 1: former cult Jack Trudeau, whose brother got in a fight

2341
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:38,880
Speaker 1: with Randy Johnson. So finally, after the second time of

2342
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson being completely sour to me, I just said,

2343
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:43,680
Speaker 1: you know what, for what it's worth, man, I know

2344
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 1: for a fact that Jack.

2345
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:46,320
Speaker 2: Trudeau's brother actually beat you up when you were like

2346
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:48,600
Speaker 2: in fifth grade. And he looked at me like, what

2347
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 2: in the world, Hell, the world.

2348
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:52,760
Speaker 1: Do you know that I got eyes on you, Bud,

2349
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:56,440
Speaker 1: I got eyes on you something about the NFL Draft

2350
02:03:57,600 --> 02:03:59,800
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna mention it again. On the other side,

2351
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 1: I brought this up earlier. I'm gonna bring it up again.

2352
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:09,120
Speaker 1: By the way, for my Eddie, if you could play that,

2353
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:12,840
Speaker 1: back that up and play that chorus again. This is

2354
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:18,560
Speaker 1: one of those lyric things. Okay, right here, he what's

2355
02:04:18,640 --> 02:04:19,000
Speaker 1: the rain?

2356
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:20,560
Speaker 2: You ready? Here you go?

2357
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:28,800
Speaker 3: What is it I bless the rains down in Africa or.

2358
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:29,880
Speaker 2: My entire life?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was I missed the rains down in Africa,

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Speaker 1: and it is, in fact, I bless the rains.

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Speaker 2: You are correct.

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Speaker 1: When my brain becomes convinced of something like I miss

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Speaker 1: the rains down in Africa. One of my weaknesses is

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Speaker 1: that it's difficult for me to get off of fixation. Yes,

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02:04:50,760 --> 02:05:00,120
Speaker 1: the fixation. But I feel vindicated. I feel vindicated. I

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02:05:00,200 --> 02:05:04,360
Speaker 1: mentioned this earlier. Yesterday the story came out, and I'm

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02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:08,960
Speaker 1: all for it that Indianapolis is a potential futuristic site

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02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:11,040
Speaker 1: of the NFL draft. That would make sense. I would

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02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:14,960
Speaker 1: imagine that it's futuristic whoa or future Sorry, yeah, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Jets.

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Speaker 2: It's like, that's what it's going to sound like.

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Speaker 1: I didn't bring up the picks a future site, sorry,

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Speaker 1: And you would imagine that eventually each market will get

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02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:28,560
Speaker 1: the draft at some point, and I don't know whether

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02:05:28,640 --> 02:05:33,400
Speaker 1: or not it will continue to be the huge event

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02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:35,760
Speaker 1: that it's been in the It does feel to me

2377
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:38,720
Speaker 1: like that started to taper a little bit, But I digress.

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Speaker 1: The NFL and it would be fabulous, Listen. I love Indianapolis.

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02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:51,320
Speaker 1: I champion for Indianapolis every opportunity I can. If I

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02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:55,120
Speaker 1: meet someone from out of town, I said. I got

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02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:56,880
Speaker 1: a text the other day from some guy during the

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02:05:56,920 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 1: five hundred. It was like, oh my gosh, Like you

2383
02:05:58,840 --> 02:06:00,440
Speaker 1: probably don't remember this, but I said, next year. On

2384
02:06:00,440 --> 02:06:02,000
Speaker 1: an airplane once and my wife and I were in

2385
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:04,240
Speaker 1: Indie and so you met us over and you took

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02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:05,920
Speaker 1: us around the speedway, and I'm like, I do remember

2387
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:08,400
Speaker 1: that guy from California. And he's like, and now I'm

2388
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:10,360
Speaker 1: at the race with my friends that we had to

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02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:15,040
Speaker 1: come back. Like, I love selling Indianapolis and we'll do

2390
02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:18,880
Speaker 1: it any opportunity I get. So, of course, I think

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02:06:18,920 --> 02:06:23,040
Speaker 1: it'd be awesome if Indianapolis can host the NFL Draft.

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02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:28,000
Speaker 1: I would do cartwheels for that. But the NFL is

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02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:31,480
Speaker 1: the eight hundred pound gorilla. It is the most dominant

2394
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:36,480
Speaker 1: aspect of the American entertainment culture. The NFL is bigger

2395
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:41,520
Speaker 1: than Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Paramount.

2396
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:43,040
Speaker 2: And all three networks combined. It's massive.

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02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:47,360
Speaker 1: We're about to see that coming up when the Super

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02:06:47,400 --> 02:06:51,200
Speaker 1: Bowl plays, and people will again be talking about how

2399
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:53,760
Speaker 1: Monday should be a national holiday where people aren't even

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02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:56,320
Speaker 1: expected to go to work because everyone's watching the super Bowl.

2401
02:06:57,240 --> 02:07:01,120
Speaker 1: So for that reason, I've never understood the NFL desire

2402
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:06,320
Speaker 1: and insistence on embellishing its popularity. And one of the

2403
02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:12,520
Speaker 1: areas under which I have always had issue is their

2404
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:17,240
Speaker 1: preposterous claim of attendance figures of the NFL Draft. And

2405
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:21,360
Speaker 1: when I pointed that out, virtually everyone's like Querry or

2406
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:23,080
Speaker 1: a hater, You have no idea what you're talking about.

2407
02:07:23,160 --> 02:07:26,480
Speaker 1: There were absolutely a million people there, Like people don't

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02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:29,960
Speaker 1: realize how many people, a million people, what that looks like.

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02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:36,120
Speaker 1: So when they said there were and I think I

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02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:39,320
Speaker 1: think ultimately they said either one or two million people

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Speaker 1: were at the NFL Draft in Nashville, Tennessee, which is

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02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:47,320
Speaker 1: an absurd number that's literally the population of Nashville, Tennessee.

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02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:52,080
Speaker 1: I remember the late Jim Ersay rest his soul on

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02:07:52,200 --> 02:07:55,720
Speaker 1: the opening night of the NFL Draft in Detroit, sending

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02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:59,440
Speaker 1: a tweet on round one that said, seven hundred and

2416
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:02,120
Speaker 1: fifty thousand thousand people have flocked to the NFL Draft

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02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:06,760
Speaker 1: in Detroit. Seven hundred and fifty thousand people. There haven't

2418
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,600
Speaker 1: been seven hundred and fifty thousand people in Detroit since

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02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:14,920
Speaker 1: literally Kiss was singing about them. Okay, I just don't

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02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:18,440
Speaker 1: understand the reason in number one too, embellis at number

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02:08:18,440 --> 02:08:23,000
Speaker 1: and number two, the immediate absorption by the fan base

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02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:28,400
Speaker 1: of taking that as fact. So with this potential that

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02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 1: Indianapolis could host the NFL Draft, which would be awesome,

2424
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:35,240
Speaker 1: and I'm here for it. Pack the new hotel that

2425
02:08:35,320 --> 02:08:37,880
Speaker 1: looks like it's been wrapped in a Nordstrom gift box,

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02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:42,040
Speaker 1: Pack the JW. Marriott pack, every hotel that we have here,

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Speaker 1: all of it. Bring it in, pack the restaurants, bring

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02:08:45,640 --> 02:08:50,280
Speaker 1: them back, all of it. But the location possibilities that

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02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:57,000
Speaker 1: I heard, Military Park, White River State Park, the south

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02:08:57,080 --> 02:09:04,320
Speaker 1: lot of Lucas Oil Stadium. Okay, here's what's interesting to me.

2431
02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:10,440
Speaker 1: I have no idea the dynamics and the business partnerships

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02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:13,480
Speaker 1: that would have to go into play between the NFL

2433
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:17,480
Speaker 1: and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. But the Indianapolis Motor Speedway

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02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:23,960
Speaker 1: has been used for the city's sports stage. It was

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02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:28,520
Speaker 1: the opening host of the Pan American Games in nineteen

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02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 1: eighty seven. It has had events take place, the Rolling

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02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:36,320
Speaker 1: Stones played there, It's had different things go on, and

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02:09:36,360 --> 02:09:40,600
Speaker 1: there are other events now besides racing that are you know,

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02:09:40,720 --> 02:09:44,080
Speaker 1: BMW has testing stuff that takes place there, or dealers

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02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:47,560
Speaker 1: that can go out and take laps, et cetera. But

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02:09:48,720 --> 02:09:51,840
Speaker 1: in terms of permanent seat fixtures, there are roughly two

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02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:54,360
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand of them at the Indianapolis Motor

2443
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:58,440
Speaker 1: Speedway with we know, factually the ability to house another

2444
02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:02,920
Speaker 1: seventy five to ninety thousand people in the infield. So

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02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:05,480
Speaker 1: if you have an event that you've told the entire

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02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:10,400
Speaker 1: world three hundred and fifty thousand people show up for

2447
02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:14,240
Speaker 1: for the opening announcement of the NFL Draft, what better

2448
02:10:14,280 --> 02:10:18,360
Speaker 1: place to do it than the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Unless

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02:10:19,720 --> 02:10:23,600
Speaker 1: you're actually worried because the sheer magnitude and size of

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02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Motor Speedway offer an immediate eye test as

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02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:30,800
Speaker 1: to whether or not that's truly the number of people

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02:10:30,840 --> 02:10:37,320
Speaker 1: you get. So could it be that the NFL is saying,

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02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:39,880
Speaker 1: we'll do it in Indianapolis, but we're not going to

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02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:43,280
Speaker 1: do it at the most famous sports venue in town

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02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:47,200
Speaker 1: because if we don't pack it filled to the brim,

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02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:50,960
Speaker 1: then everybody's going to know that forever. Our numbers have

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02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:54,760
Speaker 1: been completely bunk, which are still an impressive number. If

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02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:57,200
Speaker 1: they came out and said one hundred thousand people showed

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02:10:57,240 --> 02:10:59,200
Speaker 1: up in the NFL Draft in Green Bay, I'd go.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. And it might be that number.

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02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:04,360
Speaker 1: I think it's more like seventy five thousand personally, but

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02:11:04,800 --> 02:11:10,480
Speaker 1: either way, that's still an amazingly impressive number. But think

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02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:13,400
Speaker 1: about when you go to the Indianapolis five hundred and

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02:11:13,480 --> 02:11:16,480
Speaker 1: yes I know I obsess over this, but think about

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02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:19,600
Speaker 1: when you go to the Indianapolis five hundred. Think about

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02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:25,080
Speaker 1: the traffic going in and out, the log jam of people,

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02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:31,880
Speaker 1: the aerial shots of every neighborhood from tenth Street to

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02:11:32,080 --> 02:11:37,120
Speaker 1: thirtieth Street, from four sixty five to White River Parkway

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02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:40,400
Speaker 1: filled to the brim with cars and passengers and people

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02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:44,760
Speaker 1: walking and hitchhikers and campers, all of it, and that

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Speaker 1: equates to three hundred thousand people, never making four hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: And you're here to tell me that that's one half

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02:11:54,360 --> 02:11:57,680
Speaker 1: of two thirds the audience that was there in Nashville

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02:11:57,680 --> 02:12:03,400
Speaker 1: for the NFL draft. Okay, that's my Eddie Murphy axel

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02:12:03,480 --> 02:12:04,120
Speaker 1: Foley face.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: So it would seem to me that the Indianapolis Motor

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02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:14,600
Speaker 1: Speedway would be the natural place, because if truly that's

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02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:17,560
Speaker 1: the number, what better place to do it, unless it

2480
02:12:17,600 --> 02:12:19,760
Speaker 1: would illuminate the fact that that number we've been told

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02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:24,840
Speaker 1: all along is a fallacy. Jmb's here. I saw him

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02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:26,760
Speaker 1: walking around. We'll find out what he's got cooking for

2483
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,480
Speaker 1: his big program. We'll do it as part of the crossover,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by the good guys that love heating

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Speaker 1: and air LOVEDASHHVAC dot com is the website. Three one

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Speaker 1: seven three five three twenty one forty one is the

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Speaker 1: telephone number Indiana Purdue Tonight nine o'clock tip down at

2488
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:43,200
Speaker 1: Simon Scott Assembly Haul.

2489
02:12:43,480 --> 02:12:47,080
Speaker 3: Eight o'clock pregame coverage on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: If you are driving down, be careful road conditions. I

2491
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 1: have been told that there again was a major backup

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02:12:53,800 --> 02:12:58,480
Speaker 1: on sixty nine northbound around ninety sixth Street, the numerically

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02:12:58,560 --> 02:12:59,680
Speaker 1: dyslexic intersection.

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02:13:00,160 --> 02:13:02,280
Speaker 3: Well, just in general, dake, be careful if you're driving.

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02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:05,040
Speaker 3: Not just correct relation to getting down to Bloomington.

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02:13:05,480 --> 02:13:09,200
Speaker 1: Seventy west was closed earlier. It is now reopened due

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Speaker 1: to slick conditions. For sixty five I believe it was

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Speaker 1: for sixty five southbound earlier.

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Speaker 3: Let me list bound.

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Speaker 2: I know that west bound.

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Speaker 1: Okay, for sixty five westbound earlier right now, well that

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02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:26,960
Speaker 1: would be on the north side, right well, four seats

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02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:28,280
Speaker 1: five west could also be on the south side.

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Speaker 2: We see here which one it was.

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02:13:30,640 --> 02:13:33,880
Speaker 1: But we for sixty five west bound to sixty five

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02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:37,520
Speaker 1: south down on the south side also was closed due

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02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:41,919
Speaker 1: to slick conditions. So want to make sure that everybody

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02:13:41,960 --> 02:13:43,840
Speaker 1: is aware of that. Please be careful if you are

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02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:46,240
Speaker 1: out and about Eddie. I asked this question the other

2510
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:49,120
Speaker 1: day on social media with Indiana and Purdue playing tonight. YEP,

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02:13:49,240 --> 02:13:54,520
Speaker 1: people are passionate about both fan bases. Tell me the

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02:13:54,560 --> 02:14:00,000
Speaker 1: basketball program or two that for whatever reason, you've always

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02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,640
Speaker 1: kind of liked and there's no real reason to understand

2514
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:06,200
Speaker 1: why You've just always kind of liked them.

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02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:11,200
Speaker 3: Hmm, that's a good question. I feel like that's Gonzaga

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02:14:11,200 --> 02:14:12,040
Speaker 3: for a lot of people.

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02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:13,120
Speaker 2: That's probably right.

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Speaker 3: I and I don't know why Yukon always the Huskies.

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02:14:17,720 --> 02:14:21,760
Speaker 3: I don't know why. Yeah, you just always liked them, right, Yeah,

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02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:22,440
Speaker 3: what about you?

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. But when I actually I take

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02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:29,840
Speaker 1: that back, maybe I do know why. I don't remember

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02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:31,640
Speaker 1: which came first my like for the team, and then

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Speaker 1: I got a pencil of it, or I got the

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02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:36,360
Speaker 1: pencil because I liked the or you know whichever it is.

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02:14:36,360 --> 02:14:38,600
Speaker 1: But or I began liking the team because I had

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Speaker 1: a pencil, or I got the pencil because I like team.

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Speaker 2: But Arkansas, I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: I've always liked the I've always liked the Arkansas Razorbacks.

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02:14:48,360 --> 02:14:51,560
Speaker 1: Part of that also is because back in the day, uh,

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02:14:51,680 --> 02:14:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, Nolan Richardson's forty minutes a hell. But I

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02:14:55,760 --> 02:15:00,560
Speaker 1: still remember their big three, Lee Mayberry, Todd Day, I'll Miller,

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02:15:01,880 --> 02:15:04,040
Speaker 1: and I remember one of the great lines.

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02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:07,760
Speaker 2: Todd Day was just fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: And Arkansas was playing Georgia Tech in the ninety Final

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02:15:12,680 --> 02:15:14,840
Speaker 1: four in Denver, and it was towards the end of

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02:15:14,840 --> 02:15:17,520
Speaker 1: the half, and Arkansas was running the clock out at

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02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:20,520
Speaker 1: the half and Todd Day was dribbling the ball basically

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02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:23,360
Speaker 1: on the logo, and Billy Packer said, Todd Days within

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02:15:23,440 --> 02:15:26,160
Speaker 1: his range, and I just remember thinking, that's right, that

2541
02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:29,040
Speaker 1: dude could shoot from anywhere and would. And then of

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02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:31,920
Speaker 1: course they had you know, Cornas Williams and Scotti Thurman.

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02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:34,520
Speaker 1: It's a good, good team. But I always kind of

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02:15:34,520 --> 02:15:38,080
Speaker 1: liked Arkansas. I like Saint Mary's now because of their coach,

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02:15:39,160 --> 02:15:41,240
Speaker 1: friend of the show, friend of the show, that's right,

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02:15:41,400 --> 02:15:47,920
Speaker 1: Randy Bennett. And then outside of that, I always thought

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02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:50,320
Speaker 1: Georgia was kind of cool, even before Tom Crean was

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02:15:50,360 --> 02:15:53,160
Speaker 1: there Gelgia, I always thought Georgia was kind of cool.

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02:15:54,520 --> 02:15:57,800
Speaker 1: And you know Verne Fleming and do many Quilkins, and

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02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:01,040
Speaker 1: he was always a football school. But when I was

2551
02:16:01,080 --> 02:16:04,880
Speaker 1: in high school, and clearly it was a clerical error,

2552
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:08,320
Speaker 1: the two schools that sent me recruiting letters for basketball,

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02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:11,880
Speaker 1: Georgia and Colorado. I mean, now I was just on

2554
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:14,240
Speaker 1: some sort of a mailing list, but you know, I

2555
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:18,040
Speaker 1: realize that now. But I went out and bought a

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02:16:18,040 --> 02:16:22,160
Speaker 1: Georgia basketball hat as a result, and it's completely falling apart.

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02:16:22,240 --> 02:16:25,120
Speaker 1: Still have it though, But today will be good Indiana

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02:16:25,160 --> 02:16:29,200
Speaker 1: Purdue and I again, I think Indiana's got a shot

2559
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:30,480
Speaker 1: here because I think they're going to be able to

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02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:32,720
Speaker 1: get some open threes, and if they're able to knock

2561
02:16:32,760 --> 02:16:35,480
Speaker 1: those down, that could challenge things. But Purdue is going

2562
02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:37,680
Speaker 1: to try to take advantage of their size, their athletics,

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02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:39,640
Speaker 1: athleticism inside.

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Speaker 2: That will be a storyline to watch. Now.

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02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:45,480
Speaker 1: JMB is wearing the shirt of the team I adopted.

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02:16:45,520 --> 02:16:47,959
Speaker 1: I've got a baseball hat that matches his shirt. Today

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02:16:48,640 --> 02:16:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm keeping at Buffalo Sabers.

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Speaker 9: You know, Matt Godbound used to work for the Colts

2569
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:56,440
Speaker 9: do not sales guy. He now is in front office

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Speaker 9: sales for the Sabers. Oh, he sent me the mother

2571
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:02,280
Speaker 9: lode of s gear. So I'm like Dominic Hassick walking

2572
02:17:02,280 --> 02:17:02,720
Speaker 9: around here.

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02:17:02,959 --> 02:17:06,160
Speaker 1: It's so my buddies, Mike Byron, Scott mccallarugh and I

2574
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:10,120
Speaker 1: decided we need to adopt a hockey team, uh and

2575
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:13,320
Speaker 1: send text messages and support and then we're all going

2576
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:16,240
Speaker 1: to go to Buffalo to watch a game. So we

2577
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:20,760
Speaker 1: each bought a Sabers hat and they were struggling and

2578
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:23,400
Speaker 1: then they fired their GM and now they've actually turned

2579
02:17:23,400 --> 02:17:24,280
Speaker 1: things around a little bit.

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02:17:24,400 --> 02:17:26,360
Speaker 9: Well, my son Blake is a big fan of the

2581
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:30,120
Speaker 9: Montreal Canadians, so we're going to go when they play

2582
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:34,720
Speaker 9: in Buffalo. According to him, but he we've got, uh

2583
02:17:34,840 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 9: what is an ice and whatever the package is?

2584
02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:41,120
Speaker 2: We watch right right? Well, the Sabers are on Hulu

2585
02:17:41,240 --> 02:17:42,160
Speaker 2: a lot Center Ice.

2586
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Center Ice Hockey to me is interesting, though, John,

2587
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:49,039
Speaker 1: because I've it's a little intimidating because I assume that

2588
02:17:49,080 --> 02:17:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm not understanding what's going on.

2589
02:17:50,480 --> 02:17:52,920
Speaker 2: But I think it's probably more simple than I.

2590
02:17:52,959 --> 02:17:54,880
Speaker 9: Like your turtle night, though I should have warned mine

2591
02:17:54,959 --> 02:17:56,920
Speaker 9: we'd look like Color Me Bad sitting in it here.

2592
02:17:57,080 --> 02:17:58,800
Speaker 2: This is from Roots, Canada. By the way, speaking of

2593
02:17:58,840 --> 02:18:01,440
Speaker 2: the Montreal Canadians. This is a This is not like

2594
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:03,400
Speaker 2: super thin material, but it is a turtle.

2595
02:18:03,440 --> 02:18:06,200
Speaker 9: I believe Colored Me Bad. There's gonna be a ninety

2596
02:18:06,320 --> 02:18:09,480
Speaker 9: show coming not too far away, and I think Colored

2597
02:18:09,480 --> 02:18:10,600
Speaker 9: Me Bad is a part of it.

2598
02:18:10,720 --> 02:18:10,920
Speaker 2: Really.

2599
02:18:10,920 --> 02:18:12,880
Speaker 9: Have you ever seen Color Me Bad and concerts?

2600
02:18:12,920 --> 02:18:13,280
Speaker 4: I have not.

2601
02:18:13,959 --> 02:18:16,000
Speaker 2: Do you remember back then when they first came out.

2602
02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:20,080
Speaker 10: Oh, they all had they had three dudes and they

2603
02:18:20,120 --> 02:18:22,760
Speaker 10: all looked like well they all they all kind of

2604
02:18:22,760 --> 02:18:25,960
Speaker 10: looked like somebody that was really big time of that

2605
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:28,280
Speaker 10: particular moment or era, if you remember.

2606
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:28,760
Speaker 2: That's right.

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02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:30,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, they had a guy that they had a guy

2608
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:35,800
Speaker 9: looked George Michael, guy that looked like Terrence Trent Darby,

2609
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:40,000
Speaker 9: I like that guy that looked like Kenny g. And

2610
02:18:40,040 --> 02:18:42,279
Speaker 9: then you had, you know, the guy, the lead singing

2611
02:18:42,320 --> 02:18:44,320
Speaker 9: guy that had the turtleneck with the.

2612
02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:46,400
Speaker 1: Gold on the outside. Okay, let me ask you this

2613
02:18:47,320 --> 02:18:49,480
Speaker 1: of the same ilk. I'll tell you a band that

2614
02:18:49,640 --> 02:18:53,279
Speaker 1: was massive. Then it was huge for like eight months

2615
02:18:53,320 --> 02:18:55,280
Speaker 1: and then just disappeared. You never heard from again. What

2616
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:57,560
Speaker 1: the hell ever happened to see and Tea Music Factory? Yeah,

2617
02:18:57,879 --> 02:18:59,840
Speaker 1: you were how big they were? It's Freedom Williams.

2618
02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2619
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:05,840
Speaker 9: Freedom Williams was the lead. I think that was what

2620
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:09,040
Speaker 9: was his name, Savellis and Cole I mean C and C.

2621
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:13,440
Speaker 9: I think they were. I think Cole is gone, one

2622
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:16,600
Speaker 9: of them would be gone. And then Freedom Williams was

2623
02:19:16,640 --> 02:19:17,560
Speaker 9: the lead.

2624
02:19:17,400 --> 02:19:21,400
Speaker 1: At Rapper, one of the two of Millie Vanilli's gone too, right, Rob, Yeah,

2625
02:19:21,480 --> 02:19:25,480
Speaker 1: I think fab Whatever whatever happened to terrorist Trent Darby,

2626
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:27,160
Speaker 1: he just faded away.

2627
02:19:27,400 --> 02:19:29,320
Speaker 2: He's the one that was outspoken. When he first hit

2628
02:19:29,360 --> 02:19:30,560
Speaker 2: he said he was going to be as big as

2629
02:19:30,560 --> 02:19:31,080
Speaker 2: the Beatles.

2630
02:19:31,440 --> 02:19:34,480
Speaker 1: Okay, do you remember his two big hits wishing Well

2631
02:19:34,480 --> 02:19:35,760
Speaker 1: and Sign Your Name?

2632
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:38,520
Speaker 9: There was one more too. There was one more song

2633
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:40,200
Speaker 9: that he had that was top forty worthy too.

2634
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:43,120
Speaker 2: He had three. So I mean he was a cool dude, man,

2635
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:45,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like he was. Yeah, he

2636
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:47,520
Speaker 2: said he was going to be as big as the Beatles.

2637
02:19:47,560 --> 02:19:50,160
Speaker 2: Fine young Cannibals. By the way, Candle was another one

2638
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:53,240
Speaker 2: that was big, rolland gift. All right, what's what's on

2639
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:54,280
Speaker 2: the big program? John?

2640
02:19:54,840 --> 02:19:57,039
Speaker 9: We got to get somebody fired up about IU and Purdue.

2641
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:59,400
Speaker 9: It doesn't seem like anybody gives a crap, am I right?

2642
02:20:00,280 --> 02:20:01,840
Speaker 2: I think there's an element of truth to that. We

2643
02:20:01,879 --> 02:20:03,040
Speaker 2: talked about it a lot earlier.

2644
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:07,240
Speaker 1: But I think Indiana being you know, so football crazed lately,

2645
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:09,920
Speaker 1: and then combine, you know, Bruce lost sooner row.

2646
02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:12,560
Speaker 9: But I don't think anybody cares.

2647
02:20:12,360 --> 02:20:16,720
Speaker 1: It's I'm curious of that fan wise, players care, but

2648
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,600
Speaker 1: fan wise, I don't think anybody cares.

2649
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:18,920
Speaker 10: Hey.

2650
02:20:18,920 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 9: By the way, see if you agree with me on this,

2651
02:20:21,400 --> 02:20:23,200
Speaker 9: somebody had mentioned that Brady Bunch to me a little

2652
02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:27,040
Speaker 9: bit earlier today. You know, this whole participation trophy era

2653
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:30,080
Speaker 9: started with Bobby Brady.

2654
02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:30,200
Speaker 2: That's right.

2655
02:20:30,280 --> 02:20:33,039
Speaker 9: Do you remember that because he was such a freaking loser,

2656
02:20:33,080 --> 02:20:35,680
Speaker 9: he couldn't win anything, and they couldn't even win the

2657
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:39,240
Speaker 9: ice creedy eating contests. Right, and then they they half

2658
02:20:39,240 --> 02:20:41,039
Speaker 9: fast the trophy and made it at home. The kids

2659
02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:43,800
Speaker 9: did he gave it to him participate? Hey wait, they

2660
02:20:43,800 --> 02:20:46,000
Speaker 9: all told him how proud they were that was. That

2661
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:48,560
Speaker 9: was the first participation trophy ever handled.

2662
02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:52,600
Speaker 2: All on Mike Lukeland Right, All right, John's up next.

2663
02:20:52,800 --> 02:20:54,480
Speaker 2: We'll be back with you noon tomorrow. Thanks for listening

2664
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Speaker 2: to Quarying Company.