1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: The Indiana Hoosiers are the undisputed, unblemished Big Ten Football 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: champions and the number one team in the land. And 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: the guy that has been there for every step of 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: the way throughout this journey from the depths as I 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: talked about with the Tale of Two Cities, right the 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: depths of darkness to the Season of light. Don Fisher, 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: the voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, joining us now on 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and poor guest line and Don, 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with this, I know, and I'll 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: give you all the credit in the world because you 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: are the one guy from the get go when it 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: comes to Kurt Signetti, there was never really a doubt 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: in your mind as to what the ceiling was going 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: to be for this team and how impressed you were. 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: But if you could for me, Don just summarize I 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: guess the emotion or not just for you, but just 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: for that building and for that fan base of seeing 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: it all collectively come together on what was literally an 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: unbelievably special night at Lucas Oil Stadium. 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: Well, the culmination, of course, was the third down pass 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: that Fernando Mendoza through to Charlie Becker, who made a 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: terrific catch and the throw was perfect. At that point, 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: you knew this game was going to belong to Indiana. 24 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: And I have my twin brother in Salt Lake City 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: calls me up the next day and says, you guys 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 2: are a little bit too giddy there the last minute 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: and a half. 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: Something could have happened. 29 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: I said, no, it can't, because Signetti is our coach, 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: and at any rate, I can just tell you from 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: my perspective, of course, hugely emotional ballgame, great win for 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: Indiana Athletics, but more importantly, a tremendous win for the 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: Hoosier Nation. 34 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: A group of people, and. 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: I'm not talking about everybody that's jumped on board here 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: in the last you know, a couple of years now. 37 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the people who bought season tickets for 38 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: year after year after year back in the sixties and 39 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: the seventies and the eighties and nineties, the two thousands 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: people who have been coming to Indiana football games forever, 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: and for me, those are the people that and I'm 42 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: not saying that the people who have jumped on board 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 2: shouldn't be there. They should be there, But my point 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: is the people that have gone through this for all 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: these years and the struggles that Indiana football has had. 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: That to me is the most important faction of folks 47 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 2: that I want to think and stay of hanging in 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: there and staying with us and going through all of 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: what we've gone through and still continue to buy tickets 50 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: and spend the money that it took to watch football 51 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 2: at Indiana and to support football at Indiana. And those 52 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: are the people that I feel the best for. 53 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: Don you know, Bill Binner is going to join me 54 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: coming up in about an hour. I mean, he's a 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: guy that sat through countless numbers of sleet storms watching 56 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: Lorenzo White run for two hundred and sixty yards, and 57 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, I mean on and on right, I mean, 58 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: and it's those folks, right, And I think also about 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: and I'd mentioned this on Friday, and you and I've 60 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: talked about this. You know, Terry Hepner was a guy 61 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: that took that Indiana job and had this belief of 62 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: kind of what Kurt Signetti has delivered. And I don't 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: mean that to say one is that, you know, I mean, 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: they're two separate men. I understand that. But Hepner had 65 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: this belief of, like, no, this is where this program 66 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: could go, and I think most of us probably thought 67 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: he was a little bit crazy back then, and then 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: unfortunately he got sick and he never got a chance 69 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: to see it to fruition and I'm watching that on 70 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: Saturday night, And that's what made me so happy for 71 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti was the fact that here's a guy that 72 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: came in with his own also his own vision and 73 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: his delivery of his own vision. But it was parallel 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: with that vision and belief that we had seen preview 75 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: of before and I never thought I'd see it, Don, 76 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: But that, to me is what made it so special 77 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: was the number of people there, and there were those 78 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: people that believed that was possible. And even still, I'm 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: not gonna lie to you, Don, when you said unbelievable, 80 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: I thought to myself, no, I still don't believe it, right, 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it was that incredible. 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: It was there's no question about it. 83 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: And look all I can tell you, and you're right 84 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: about Terry Heppner. He knew he could get this program 85 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: turned around, and he never got that opportunity because of 86 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 2: the glioblostoma cancer that he suffered brain tumor and died 87 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: in June after his second season and to me, that's 88 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: heartbreaking because and I know his son Drew was at 89 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: the ballgame on Saturday, and my wife told me about 90 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: it yesterday and I started blubbering because I when I 91 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: think of Terry Hepner, all I can do is get emotional. 92 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: Well, I know what he meant to you, don I 93 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: mean I don't. I wasn't there firsthand, but you hear it. 94 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: And I think that for those that don't know, anybody 95 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: that was around him would understand why you feel that way, right? 96 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: And I feel like yeah, And it's like Kurt Signetti 97 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: walks and exudes the energy and the confidence that Terry 98 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: Hepner tried to introduce to people. 99 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: That's the best way I can say it. If that 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: makes sense, No, it makes sense. It makes perfect sense. 101 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: And that's the way to put it because hep was 102 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: a guy that believed in Indiana football and I know 103 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: he knows he could have turned it around, and he 104 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 2: would have done it had he lived, but he did not. 105 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: And Kurt Signetti has followed whatever his vision was, whatever 106 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: vision that Terry had, he spottled that up and you 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: put it perfectly. That's exactly the way I feel about it. 108 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: Don when you look at you know, I thought it 109 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: was interesting after the game, Don Fisher, the voice of 110 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: the Hoosiers is our guest Joba House peeling, poor guest 111 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: line when when Kurt Signetti said, and he kind of 112 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: flippantly said it, which I enjoyed, but he said, you know, 113 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: now I got two weeks to get these guys to 114 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: turn around and refocus. And yeah, I had to laugh 115 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: because I thought to myself, I don't know that I 116 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: have seen a football team that has more in step 117 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: bought into everything his coach said to the point where, yeah, 118 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: I mean, are they going to go in and win 119 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: the Rose Bull? I don't know that. But what I 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: do know is this, I don't think they're going to 121 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: go in and shoot themselves in the foot and not 122 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: show up, because that's just been I mean, you'd be 123 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: an idiot at this point to think anything other than 124 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: Indiana is going to go put their best foot forward, right, 125 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 1: And you know, were you able to see anything after 126 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: the game and the celebration, et cetera that was any 127 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: different in terms of their standard operating procedure from the 128 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: way he's always done things. 129 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: No, I mean, here's the thing he did allow his 130 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: team to stay out there in the field and celebrate it, 131 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: which you would expect that any coach would do that. 132 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: And so everything that I saw from Kurt Signetti post game, 133 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: he had all kinds of responsibilities with the me The 134 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: Fox interviewed him, of course, and of course the Big 135 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: ten network interviewed him, and he had to do all 136 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: these other things involved in that. But the other thing 137 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: about that is he took time at the very I mean, 138 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: we were on the air for about forty five minutes 139 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: after the game. We're usually about twenty minutes after a 140 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: ballgame in normal circumstances. It was at least forty five, 141 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: maybe fifty minutes that we were still on the air 142 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: after the ballgame was over with. And he finally got 143 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: to us, and I knew he would if he had 144 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: the time, if he had the opportunity, And he finally 145 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: got to us and got to talk to our people 146 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: on the air, and who's your nation, so to speak, 147 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: that listens on the radio. So I just think the 148 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: guy is first class in every way. He's the greatest 149 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: coach I've ever been around in a sense of what 150 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: he's accomplished. And without doubt, I think this is a 151 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: phenomenal run for Indiana football that we've never seen before. 152 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: It's historic in every way, and it's a renaissance for 153 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: the program. And without question, I can't wait for the 154 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: rest of this season to fill itself out because I 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: think I think fans are going to be just as 156 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: excited about what we're about to see in the college 157 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: football playoff as they were through this twelve win season. 158 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, Don, when people say, you know, 159 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: is so and so the best player of the century, 160 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: and you think, oh, gosh, I forget, We're only a 161 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: quarter the way through this century, right. I mean when 162 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: I think century, I still think the nineteen hundreds, right. 163 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: What he's done is I don't care whether you're talking 164 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds or two thousands. It's the greatest college football 165 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: coaching job I've ever that. I think anybody walking the 166 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: planet right now has ever seen. We've never seen anything 167 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: like this. Now, having said all of that, do you 168 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: feel Don that there is still that there are still 169 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: wrinkles to this football team that can be presented or 170 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: new looks that they can come up with for the playoffs? 171 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: Or are they at the point now of this is 172 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: who we are? This is what we do, and we're 173 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: confident in the way we do it, and we don't 174 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: need to readjust game plans. 175 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: Well, every game plan needs to be adjusted, there no 176 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 2: doubt about that because of who you're playing, so that 177 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 2: factors into it. But here's the thing. It's not going 178 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: to change philosophically and it's not going to change process 179 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: wise for this Indiana football team. 180 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: That's just a fact. He's been like this since he's. 181 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: Gotten here, and I trust everything that he does in 182 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: that sense. His game plans are ridiculously good. And I 183 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: say that because I'll tell you who I thought was 184 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: the best offensive coordinator Indiana's ever had, and that was 185 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: Kaylen de Boer. Now how long ago was that? Not 186 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 2: that long ago? Right, But here's the thing about Kaylen 187 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: de Boor. He did a tremendous job here at Indiana 188 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: in one season, the COVID season with Michael Pennix, and 189 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: what he produced in that year was astonishing to me 190 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: because I thought, this guy really knows what he's doing. 191 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: And I still think that Kayln de Boor is a 192 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 2: great football coach. And he's getting all kinds of up 193 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: at Alabama from the fan base because they've lost three times. 194 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 3: That kind of. 195 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: Thing, and the fact that they made the college football 196 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: Playoff is in a lot of people's minds is very 197 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: very I don't know what the right word would be, 198 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: but a lot of people would say they don't deserve 199 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: to be there. I don't know if they should or not, 200 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: but I will say this that Indiana is capable of 201 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: beating anybody they play in this college football playoff because 202 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti's that good. 203 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: And if we played Kylen. 204 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: De boor or if we play Kirby Smart or whoever 205 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: the coach is, I will not take anything away from 206 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti's ability to dominate that football game with his 207 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: thinking process and how he goes about things. The only 208 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: way Indiana is going to get beat in this college 209 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: football playoff, in my mind, is because the other team 210 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: has more talent, because Indiana's talent is not what it 211 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: is to some of these programs, but the coaching is 212 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: beyond it. 213 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: Don I got a kick out of it. Got a 214 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: good buddy of mine went to James Madison, and you know, 215 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: James Madison obviously got into the college football Payoff as well, 216 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: and he sent me a text that said, it's great 217 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: to be a JAMU fan because we have two teams 218 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: in the Big in the college football playoff, you know, 219 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: after the Big Ten title game, because you know, obviously 220 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: some of the great players that say and that's to me, 221 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: that's such a tribute to Kurt Signetty because when you 222 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: look at players that started at James Madison and now 223 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: they're beating all you know, their key players in beating 224 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: Ohio State for crying out loud in the Big Ten 225 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: title game, and so much of that just comes down 226 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: to coaching belief, all the things we've talked about. I 227 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you this. You had the ability and 228 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: you did both games, which was I mean, you are 229 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: the You're the lou garig right, You're the iron horse 230 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: of broadcasting. Because you did both games on Saturday, you 231 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: you should probably have some sort of a throat laws 232 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: and endorsement. But but I will for those that don't know, 233 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: Don and I got to give you that the ultimate 234 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: tip of the cap because people will say, well did 235 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: his voice hold out? That is mentally exhausting. I mean, 236 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: honestly doing broadcasting for that long and having to move 237 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: that quickly for those for games back to back is unbelievable. 238 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: Having said that, in doing basketball and football, you have 239 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: seen two legendary coaches India a lot of coaches, but 240 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: two legendary ones, and Bob Knight and kurtz Signetti. The 241 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: reason I bring it up, Bob Knight was a coach 242 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: that when you went into a game, you thought to yourself, 243 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: the other team might have players, but they're not going 244 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: to be more prepared than Indiana. From an x's and 245 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 1: o's standpoint, the personalities aside, do you ever see or 246 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: feel similarity in terms of listening to the coaches in 247 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: terms of their preparation talk between those two guys that 248 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: you've had to do so many pregame shows. 249 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 3: With, Well, no, I don't see a difference. 250 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: Coach Knight was demanding on players of basically anybody in 251 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: his program. Wasn't amending on those people to be what 252 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: they should be and what they can be. That kind 253 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: of thing you get the same thing from Kurt Signetti. 254 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: He hires the right people, number one, because he vets 255 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: them all. He knows who they are before they get there, 256 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: and he knows what he's going to get from those people, 257 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 2: and they produce for him. And that's the trust he 258 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: has and the people that he gets because he, like 259 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: I said, he vets everybody that's in the program. So 260 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: and Bob Knight did exactly the same thing. He wanted 261 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: guys that were going to buy into his philosophy, his thoughts, 262 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: how to play the game, those kinds of things. He 263 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: did it with players, he did it with coaches, He 264 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: did it with the people that he surrounded himself with. So, yeah, 265 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: they're so much alike in that vein. They are totally 266 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: different personalities. And I say totally different only from the 267 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: standpoint that Coach Knight, as everybody knows, was so controversial 268 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: and so many different ways, and Churtz Signetty, I don't 269 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 2: think is in that context. His personality is different in 270 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: that way. And then how he handles players is different 271 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: than what Bob did. That's not a negative on either guy. 272 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: It's just the way it was at the time that 273 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: they were coaching and has been. So those kinds of 274 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: things change over the years, too, but they never I 275 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: don't think they ever changed with coach Knight and with 276 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: coach Signetti after his twenty six I think it was 277 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: twenty six years he was an assistant and learned a 278 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: lot of things from a lot of different coaches, and 279 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 2: then got his own programs at Indiana, vergs to Pennsylvania 280 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: and then Elon and not of course James Madison and 281 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: now Indiana. He doesn't vary from it, and in his 282 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: philosophy and his thinking process and how he goes about 283 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: running the program is as good as I've ever seen. 284 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: And it's simply so, very again, very simply like a 285 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: lot of what Bob Knight did because he were in 286 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: the program the way he thought it should be run 287 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: and it was hugely successful. 288 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: And vice versa with Kurt Signetti. 289 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Don, I wanted to ask you this. There 290 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: were a lot of people, understandably and rightly so, per 291 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: Signetti being one of them, it talked about how happy 292 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: they were for Don Fisher to see that moment on 293 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: Saturday Night. So I'd like Don Fisher to say, what 294 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: individual or individual? I realized the fan base in general 295 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: is all encompassing, but was there anybody specifically that you 296 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: thought of as that game was ending that you thought 297 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: to yourself, that's who I'm happy for. 298 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: Well again, and there's no individual that I thought about 299 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: that for I thought about that. 300 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: For the who's Your Nation. I really did. 301 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: I wanted this program to take off at some point 302 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 2: football wise, and even when it got started early and 303 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: looked like it might change, it has not. In all 304 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: those years, and that there have been a humongous number 305 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: of people coaches that I've enjoyed immensely at Indiana, Guys 306 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: that I had the greatest amount of respect for, Obviously 307 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: Bill Mallory and Bill Lynch and Terry Hepner and those 308 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: type of people. I loved all those people. They were 309 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 2: just great folks and they were really good coaches. They 310 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: just didn't hit it at the right time, and unfortunately 311 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: for all of us, Who's your Nation suffered because of that, 312 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: And now it's changed completely. And that's why I'm really 313 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: happy for the entire Hoosier Nation, because these people have 314 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: gone through a lot over the years. 315 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Well, don for the Hoo's your Nation. You've been the 316 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: town crier for many years and that was more crying 317 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: probably than actual town bugle blowing. But so the time 318 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: is now and celebrate it and enjoy it. And January first, 319 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: at four o'clock, you will be calling a college football 320 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: playoff game in the Rose Bowl for the Indiana Hoosiers 321 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: and We certainly look forward to it. Always appreciate the time, Don, 322 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: and I certainly hope you were able to continue to 323 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: enjoy what took place on Saturday. 324 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely appreciate it. 325 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: Thanks Ja, Don Fisher joining us the voice of the Hoosiers. 326 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: It is true that everything is still before them, but 327 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: for the Colts, do not look in the rear view mirror, 328 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: because now have dropped three in a row, four of five, 329 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: and certainly there are question marks all over the place. 330 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: Some of those questions we will address now with Mike 331 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: Chapel who joins us on the Java House Peel and 332 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: poor guest Line Chap of course, with CBS four WXI 333 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: in Fox fifty nine and the d of Colts writers 334 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: chap I'm going to begin with We'll start here. Clearly, 335 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: I think we all are under the assumption the understanding 336 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: that we will get confirmation on the Daniel Jones Achilles injury. 337 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: And pardon my ignorance on this, having been on the 338 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: air for the last hour, has there been any official 339 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: word yet today? 340 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: No, it was my understanding he was supposed to get 341 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: an MRI at noon, Okay, And for those of us 342 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 4: who've had MRIs, they take about thirty to thirty five 343 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 4: minutes and then I have no idea how long it 344 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 4: takes to reading. But no, but when Shane Siken said 345 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 4: what he said last night from the podium, I mean, you. 346 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I mean everyone knows. 347 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 4: Right, So confirmation will be, you know, the door slamming. 348 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: But this is where they are, and it makes this 349 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 4: a perfect storm that didn't turn out well for George 350 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: Clooney if if you saw the movie, I don't know, 351 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: I don't know what a worst case scenario might be 352 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 4: than to be where the Colts are now and how 353 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 4: it's funny here. Okay, I was mister positive a minute 354 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: ago on Twitter on x using the Athletics playoff simulator, 355 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 4: they still got a thirty percent chance of make it 356 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 4: the playoffs. It drops to twenty five percent if they 357 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 4: lose at Seattle, and then if they win their last 358 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 4: three games they make the playoffs. So it is right 359 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 4: there in front of them. But we talked last week 360 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 4: that I had a hard time seeing how they came 361 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 4: out of this death spiral with Daniel Jones, you know, 362 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 4: and playing well, and now without him, I just I 363 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 4: just don't see it. You're asking a rookie to come 364 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 4: in and play who was a developmental quarterback. He'll give 365 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: them money, can give them, but it's just, I mean 366 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 4: kind of court that the odds are with all these simulators. 367 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 4: It's just a tough road to go and I just 368 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 4: don't know how they do it. 369 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: Okay, Chap, let's get to this. Okay, a couple of 370 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: angles here. I'm gonna go piece by piece. We'll begin 371 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones, and you know he is 372 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: obviously out for the rest of this year. So the 373 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: first question with that is about Daniel Jones, and that 374 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: is he is a free agent. If there's one I guess, 375 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: and I hate to say this because I don't mean 376 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: this as a knock on him personally, but if there 377 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: is one silver lining, it's that the Colts had not 378 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: yet extended him, so they're not on the hook to 379 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: pay him for next year. Would you agree that this 380 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: would indicate that probably Daniel Jones has played his last 381 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: game as a cult. 382 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 4: No, I would think, well, shign him in l Do 383 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: you sign him for a dead cap year knowing that 384 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: eventually you'll get him back? 385 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: And that's your answer, That's. 386 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 4: The thing is you First of all, he he he 387 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 4: lost his shot at a really good multi year deal. 388 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 4: He was going to make fifty million guaranteed probably somewhere 389 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 4: and that whatever per year contract whatever. And now I 390 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: think you bring him back on one of those prove 391 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 4: it contracts, so for a year, because you know, it's 392 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: like a nine to ten month ideally rehab and that's 393 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: that's ideal and position specific, probably quarterbacks can probably do it. 394 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 4: But that that's that's the start of the season with 395 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 4: no offseason. So I think I think you're bringing him 396 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 4: back because it'll be the best spot for him. But 397 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 4: I don't know what your next three or four questions are. 398 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 4: But then you still have to go out and get 399 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 4: your quarterback well in the off season, right. 400 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: So, because here's the thing, I mean, I just I 401 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: my person thought Chap. I guess I'll respectfully disagree a 402 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: little bit here, and the fact that I get if 403 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: you want to sign him, the question is then the 404 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: timeline on when he's even able to play again, right, 405 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: and whether or not he's able to play next year 406 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: at the level that you need. But the second question 407 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: then would be for this year, is Anthony Richardson a 408 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: possibility at some point to play? And secondly, when Anthony 409 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Richardson is cleared, does he automatically become their starter? 410 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 4: Well, he's get cleared to practicing. Cleared to play are 411 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: two different things. And as of last week, Shane Sichin 412 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 4: told us at All that Richardson was able to do 413 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 4: is work in the weight room because with that fractured 414 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: orbitala bone, you just can't be jarring the body around, 415 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 4: your head around, so I, and there's only four weeks 416 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 4: to go, so I unless if they open the window 417 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 4: to practice this week, normally it's been two weeks or 418 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 4: so to play, then you got one game to go 419 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 4: or whatever. I don't think the timeline works. I really don't. 420 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 4: And let's say he's ready to go for the final 421 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 4: game of the season in Houston, and everything probably will 422 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 4: be decided about it then as far as what you're 423 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 4: doing and where you're going, I never thought he was 424 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 4: going to play again anyway because of the injury and 425 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 4: all that. And now I just don't see what the 426 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 4: purpose would be. But the CEF's to see what, to 427 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 4: see what in the game, to see what in two games. First, 428 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: I don't think he'll be medically cleared. I just don't. 429 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 4: And then I know the timeline doesn't work, and I'm 430 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 4: not sure how enthusiastic the team would be to put 431 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 4: him back out there. 432 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: So does he come back then next year as the 433 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: camp as you're opening camp starter. 434 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 4: God, my first reaction is no, uh, because I think 435 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 4: they showed this year they didn't think that was a 436 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 4: viable option. 437 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: I agree that maybe mean in the. 438 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 4: Coaching staff, I think I think, uh, and then to say, well, 439 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 4: and then can you imagine the backtrack. 440 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: The chap Here's the thing. It wasn't a viable option 441 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year because they had another option. 442 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 4: I know, I know. 443 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: So so next year and maybe Riley Leonard maybe the 444 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is Rock Purty two point zero, right, 445 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: maybe it's like, oh gosh, you know what, we have 446 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: something here this Maybe it's Kelly Houlcomb. Hey, this guy's 447 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: not bad. Let's let's grow him. And maybe that gives you. 448 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: But do they really do that next year? 449 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 4: I mean no, Now what, you threw a lot of 450 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 4: things out there first. I don't think Rygy Leonard goes 451 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 4: into next season as maybe he's the guy. And I 452 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 4: don't want to dump on Roddy Leonard at all. He 453 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 4: was putting a really bad situation yesterday, which backups that 454 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 4: that's the job of a backup. But I just don't 455 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 4: see they view him as prop Purdy. I just don't 456 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 4: or or one of those late ground or you know picks. 457 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 4: But no. But so I guess the timeline would be 458 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 4: is is instead of wanting to get Daniel Jones resigned 459 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 4: pre injury before he's a free agent, before the middle 460 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: of March, whatever it is you'd want to you'd want 461 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 4: to get that done now. There's no hurry to resign him. 462 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 4: So your first priority, if everybody's back and all that 463 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 4: either way, I guess is who's your quarterback going into 464 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 4: the off season. I don't want the list is Mac Jones, 465 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 4: Kyler Murray. You want Kyler Murray here? 466 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: Really? 467 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 4: Uh? But that that's what you have, jameis Winston. Uh, 468 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 4: that's where you are again, And we saw how that 469 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 4: worked last time. It doesn't unless you get Philip Rivers 470 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: for one year. So the first priority would be figuring 471 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 4: out who your quarterback is, and then then you can 472 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 4: sign the Jones to be almost a red shirt until October. Uh, 473 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 4: and then he's your I guess he's your backup. If 474 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 4: you're if you're the guy you bring in as your 475 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 4: is your starter, it's just a mess. Uh. And the 476 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 4: what what everyone will talk about, and we've all talked about, 477 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 4: is it's who's who's who's in line to lead this group? 478 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 4: What what does Carlyer say, Gordon do? And that's not 479 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 4: a simple question. It really isn't the easy answers. You 480 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 4: blow it up, but there are circumstances. That's the fan 481 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 4: base is not going to want to hear. But this 482 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 4: is not going to be a slam dunted to just 483 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 4: blow it up. 484 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: Chap. If you're Alec Pierce, why would you come back? 485 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 4: Well, money for one thing. 486 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: He's going to get that money elsewhere and he's gonna. 487 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 4: Get the money. Yeah, yeah, I understand you're be coming 488 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 4: back to a place with a totally unsettled quarterback situation 489 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 4: when you can go to gosh, Buffalo. I mean, can 490 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 4: you imagine him as Kansas City? Good point, although I 491 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 4: will say that you know the old bird in the 492 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 4: hand if they come to him and march first and 493 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 4: give him bookoo bucks, that's a really really good point. 494 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: While you come back when you're a deep threat receiver, 495 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 4: when you have no clue who your quarterback is going 496 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 4: to be loyalty. I don't want to hear that any 497 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 4: player that's loyal to where he gives a team a 498 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 4: discount is not thinking straight. That's a good point, but 499 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 4: I still think they make a hard push to resign him. 500 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: Okay, Chap, last week we went through and and believe 501 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: you me, I mean, obviously when you're you're more in 502 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: tune with this than I. I'd still get confused by this. 503 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: I believe that you told us that when it comes 504 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: to the deaf ranking that def Con won was kissery 505 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: are in goodbye? 506 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: Right? 507 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: Wasn't that what you said? Okay? 508 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 4: Yep? 509 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: And you said that like you put it. I think 510 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: their season at def Con two point five going into Jacksonville, 511 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: they went down to Jacksonville, they lost. They now have 512 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: Seattle San Francisco too, to quote Hue Lewis and Eddie 513 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: Garrison upcoming. And then now you have your quarterbacks gone, 514 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: You've got a rookie in there that is learning on 515 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: the job. What Deaf Con are we on now. 516 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 4: One and a half? Just because you know the bomb 517 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 4: hasn't dropped yet, it's we make light of this because 518 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 4: that's what we do, and the problem is people's you know, 519 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 4: they're still playing and people's jobs draw on the line. 520 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,239 Speaker 4: So I don't want to make too much light of it, 521 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 4: but I'm just being we're just being realistic and it's 522 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 4: just hard to see how this team comes out of 523 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 4: it is And if you're not, you know, if you're 524 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 4: in the inside, you're you're you're locked in on Seattle, 525 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 4: who is a who might be the second best first 526 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 4: bet that may be the best team in the league 527 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 4: right now the way they're playing, and you're going on 528 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 4: the road, and that's tough. So yeah, you try to 529 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: stay it somewhat optimistic, but then reality slaps you in 530 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: the face. So if if you're not Kevin, Kevin Bacon 531 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 4: is sort of that is that defcon one with the 532 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 4: Animal House, stay calm or whatever it is. There's so 533 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 4: many there's so many little little snippets, but I'm just 534 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: being realistic. And they I don't think they can take 535 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 4: that approach at all, uh inside the complex because this 536 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 4: is their job. And I'm not going to tell Quentin 537 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 4: Nelson that this season is toast because he'll he'll in 538 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 4: my life. But uh, I just think, really, really really 539 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 4: realistically it's hard to see a path forward for the 540 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 4: next month, and it's really hard to get into Carli 541 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: Ercy's mind and see what she sees as far as 542 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 4: why this happened again, is it Chris Ballard and Shange 543 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 4: Styke and is it the injuries? And I could argue 544 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 4: the injuries have been a major detriment, although they were, 545 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 4: you know, taken on Walter certainly before Tanger Jones went down. 546 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: Chap my thing. I'm going to play contrarian here, Okay, 547 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing this to point out both sides. It doesn't 548 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: mean necessarily that I'm intentionally trying to be the bad guy. 549 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: But with that said, my Chapel, my guest by the way, 550 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line from CBS four 551 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: and WXI N when you look at evaluating, for example, 552 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: if the trajectory of the franchise should still be guided 553 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: by the same person and Chris Ballard, the reality is, yes, 554 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: the injuries, and I get it, but he's some what 555 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: mortgage the future by taking a position with the player 556 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: who does have injury history and committing to him by 557 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: sending not one, but two of the picks that are 558 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: usually used. If that's the position that you need, that's 559 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: where you get after it in a first round. They 560 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: sent both of their next two first rounders away to 561 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: New York for a corner, not a pass rush, a corner. 562 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: Do you not look at that and say or would 563 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: you not be somewhat correct if you were looked at 564 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: and say, I understand the gamble, but you knew the 565 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: risk when you took it, and you lost the risk 566 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: and therefore we got to blow the whole thing up. 567 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 4: I understand it, and you're right. I think what's more 568 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 4: damning personnel wise? Is it Quity pay in Lyle to 569 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 4: La coct have not been what they need to be 570 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 4: and that it was a. 571 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: Bad day for him yesterday because they lost a quarterback 572 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: and they had no pass rush, right. 573 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, zero sec zero quarterbacks. He dropped thirty times for 574 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 4: thirty two times with a couple of scrambles. So it's 575 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying. It's very it and that's what 576 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: Carl Earth say has to decide she's got it, and 577 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 4: I tell you she is. She's just not big visible 578 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 4: so she can say and say, hey, look at the 579 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 4: owners out there, really involved. No, she's she's more dialed 580 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: in now than her father was over the last couple 581 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 4: of years for a lot of reasons. And she will 582 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 4: probably be more analytical and and be led by the 583 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 4: brain more than by the heart than maybe her her 584 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 4: father would. Uh So, And however, she whatever she decides, 585 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: and I'm sure she will, she needs to sit up 586 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: there and say this is what we're doing, and this 587 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 4: is why, and whether you agree or not, I think 588 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 4: she's going to have very good reasons for what she does. Now, 589 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: whether the fan base agrees or disagrees, that's part of being, 590 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 4: you know, in that seat, as you deal with the 591 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 4: bullets that come your way. So but as easy as 592 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 4: this decision might seem to be, if they end up, 593 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 4: they'll find a way to win another game. I just 594 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 4: believe that. So they finished nine and eight, then what 595 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 4: I mean, you've been five hundred for the last three years, 596 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 4: which isn't good enough. 597 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: It just isn't. So. 598 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 4: But this is this is really gonna be interesting to 599 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 4: see what her first major decision is. Either way, it's 600 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 4: going to be franchise shaping. And if you blow it up. 601 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 4: If you blow it up with no first round draft 602 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 4: picks for two years, can you trade back in the 603 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 4: first round next year and get you mortgage or whatever 604 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 4: you can do to get up there. And if you 605 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 4: blow it up, what do you do? You just can't 606 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 4: get rid of fifty three players who are your core 607 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 4: players like you talk with the Alex Pierce's and Taylor, 608 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 4: Quinton Nelson, on and on and on. That's why this 609 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 4: is not just so easy as you nuke it and 610 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 4: then start over next year. That's not the way it works. 611 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 4: So this is I would love to spend an afternoon 612 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 4: just sitting her in her office and listening to her 613 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 4: discuss all these different scenarios because the easy it's, like 614 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 4: I say, with any player, the easiest thing is to 615 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 4: get rid of it, and the hardest saying. And then 616 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 4: the hard thing is they're replacing. But now you know 617 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 4: factor that by fifty three and I realize you can. 618 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 4: You can replace the bottom half of your roster. You can, 619 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 4: there's always good players available, but those top ten twelve 620 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 4: players who mean everything. What do you do? And I 621 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 4: tell you, like we always say, until you get the 622 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 4: quarterback fixed, it doesn't matter. So priority one, once you 623 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 4: decide what's what direction you're going, is who's your quarterback? 624 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: And as we see mean that's a tough decision when 625 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 4: when you're always reaching for somebody else's discards, they were 626 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 4: discarded for a. 627 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: Reason, Chap When you look, Eddie points this out players 628 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: that are free agents at the end of next season, Okay, right, Pittman, 629 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: Taylor Buckner, Nelson, Rover Stewart, Anthony Richardson, Josh Downs. You 630 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: know all of those players, right. And then in addition 631 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: to that, obviously you have the question at quarterback they 632 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: do have like for Pierce for example, I guess they 633 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: could tag him, but I don't know how much that. 634 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: You know, we'll see if whether that pays dividends. But 635 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: it does feel like maybe this is the football God 636 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: saying it's time for a redirect. Okay, if that's the case, 637 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: when you look at the change in ownership and Carli 638 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: Ursa Gordon and I say this not because of just 639 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: because of the fact that this is the first year 640 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: that we have seen her at the Helm, and yes 641 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: she has been around, and yes she's been carrying the clipboard, 642 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 1: and she's listening on the radio and all of those things. 643 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: If it comes down to it where she needs to 644 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: make a decision as to the direction of the franchise, 645 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: and she parts ways with Chris Ballard. Is there a 646 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: team of people you think that would consult with her 647 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,399 Speaker 1: as to who they would have their eyes on from 648 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: around I'm not saying that she wouldn't have her footprint 649 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: or her ear to the ground on league wide this, 650 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: but she's not her father who was around it for 651 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: forty five years and knew everybody. She will eventually, but 652 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: maybe not yet. Would there be people within the building 653 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: that would be able to guide her through that process 654 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: or is it literally I'm making this call? 655 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 4: Oh? I think I think should reach outside the building 656 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 4: with the in the usual suspects, the Bill Pullians, the 657 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 4: Tony Dungees, people like that. Did she trusts I assume 658 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 4: she trusts those people. I think you have to go 659 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 4: outside the building and I have all the trust in 660 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 4: the world with Word and people like that. But you know, 661 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 4: looking for a new to a GM that's not their specialty, 662 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 4: it would be uh, let's not get into those search 663 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 4: groups that some maybe there's more college or whatevery, but no, 664 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 4: She'll have three or four voices that she'll reach out to, 665 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 4: and if that's the direction she goes, this won't be 666 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 4: that would be like I'm the smartest person in the room. 667 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 4: I don't don't need to listen to Tony Dune or 668 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 4: Bill Poli or whatever. I don't think that's her at all. Uh. 669 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 4: You have to have confidence confidants that you that you 670 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 4: trust and will listen to, not saying you just take 671 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 4: their word, you know, no knowing how I think she is. 672 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 4: She's probably in her head it's thinking, well, if we 673 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 4: do this, this, this might be the direction we need 674 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 4: to go. I'm talking personnel, I mean names that she's got. 675 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 4: Jim or so. I told me that you've always got, 676 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 4: you know, in the right hand of your desk, You're 677 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 4: always had an index card with with coaching possibility and 678 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 4: GM possibilities because you never knew when you might need them. 679 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 4: So she this will not It's like she didn't become 680 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 4: an owner Steward the day her father passed away. This 681 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 4: has been in the works, you know, whether it was 682 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 4: a year or two years, or five years or ten years. 683 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 4: She's been working toward ship, working towards that. And if 684 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 4: the time comes and she that she resets the friends, 685 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 4: it won't be okay, Now what do I do? No, 686 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 4: She's she knows what she's doing, and she knows what 687 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 4: her options are. The difficulty is going to be deciding 688 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 4: whether it's option one, two or three. I'm not sure 689 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 4: what three would because you know, one blow it up 690 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 4: and two is to bring everybody back and. 691 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 3: Go that way. 692 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 4: So I believe he is up for it, but I 693 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 4: don't think this will be a of theirs, a daughter's 694 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 4: decision alone. They will reach out and they will talk 695 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 4: with people who have been through this, who who who 696 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 4: know a lot, they have a great experience, and then 697 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 4: they'll make decision, whatever the decision is. 698 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: The quarterbacks that would be available as free agents for 699 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: next season, Daniel Jones heads the list, but obviously we 700 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: know the situation there after that, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, 701 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: Marcus Mario, to Zach Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, former Colet, Joe Flacco, 702 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: and then Eddie right there, widow hands, Jimmy Pickett, Kenny 703 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: Pickett in his little hands, Jimmy Garoppolo, Mitchell Trubisky. If 704 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,720 Speaker 1: that gives you an idea of what we're that's. 705 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 4: What I'm saying, Yeah, that's what I thought. 706 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 3: Mac. 707 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 4: I thought Mac Jones is going to be available, but 708 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 4: I'm not looked there. I've not done that yet, but 709 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 4: that's our point. And you name and name all these names, 710 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 4: and that's a point where do you go to bring 711 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 4: in I guess it would be a stop gap until 712 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 4: Jones gets ready. I don't know, but it's not enticing. 713 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 4: So and again, as we've talked, if you decide to 714 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 4: reset and and just start over, what's that process? 715 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,800 Speaker 3: Two years? Three years? 716 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 4: This isn't This isn't n I l to where Kurt 717 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 4: Signetti comes in and all of a sudden, you're you're 718 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 4: gonna play for the national championship. You you know, yes, 719 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 4: you can buy players, but not quite like, not quite 720 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 4: like they do in college. 721 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: So if it's kurtig, if we're doing the Kurt Signetti model, 722 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: then that means the Colts hired the head coach of 723 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: the Saskatchewan rough Riders and he brings half the roster 724 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: with him, right, I know. 725 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 4: So again, as much as the simple answer as you 726 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 4: blow it up, it's not simple. Well no, that's as 727 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 4: simple to blow it up, but there are so many 728 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 4: ways that that you have to figure out. Well, then 729 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 4: what you know, after the dust settles, then what you got, 730 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 4: you know, you get the frame of a house. And 731 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 4: that's it so I and again until you get the 732 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 4: quarterback done. And it doesn't look to me like the 733 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 4: twenty six director is going to be all that great 734 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 4: quarterbacks after all. So where do you go? I don't know. 735 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 4: I don't and we'll all speculate about it, and it's 736 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 4: interesting discussion, but it's not easy, you know. The easy 737 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 4: thing is to blow it up and start over. And 738 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 4: then again, you've already had your your fan base be 739 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,759 Speaker 4: frustrated and anxious over the lack of success over the 740 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 4: last gosh ten years. And now they're going to say, 741 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 4: you know, but we can fix this, just stick with 742 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 4: us for two or three more years. And you're not 743 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 4: building around Andrew Lucker, Peyton Manning, you're building around what again. 744 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 4: You can read the names again, there's just there's just 745 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 4: nobody even remotely where you can say, you know, this 746 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 4: would be interesting. Who which one of those guys? Would 747 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 4: you say? You know, this all turt some interest. I 748 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 4: didn't hear one name on there? You say, you know, 749 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,919 Speaker 4: maybe I didn't hear one name. 750 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 1: Chap. 751 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 5: On the mac Jones front, he'll be entering the last 752 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,959 Speaker 5: year that two year deal he just signed. This passed 753 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 5: off season with San Francisco, so the Colts would have 754 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 5: to trade for him if they wanted to go that roout. 755 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 5: And I know you talked about this with Jake that 756 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 5: at noon. It was Daniel Jones having that MRI. You 757 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 5: guys have to meet as in the media, you'll meet 758 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 5: with schine psych in in half an hour, so I 759 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 5: would assume that is when we will find out the 760 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,320 Speaker 5: determination on the seriousness of the tear, if it's a 761 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 5: complete tear or just a partial tear. 762 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we got Shane at twelve twenty or 763 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 4: two twenty. I just would assume he's going to say he'll, 764 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 4: you know, close the door on that, because it to 765 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: not do that it makes no sense. And I'm telling 766 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 4: you a lot of injuries you don't know what it 767 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 4: is really with knees and all this. I think, Well, 768 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 4: an Achille, you know, he reached right down for the 769 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,919 Speaker 4: back of his leg. 770 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: It was so classic, right, you tried to take the 771 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: two steps, then you go back down again, and you know, yeah, unfortunately. 772 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's some of them. You don't know this one, 773 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 4: you know, I'm ninety nine percent sure. And the one 774 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 4: of the person I was texting last night is yeah, 775 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 4: that's what we think that we're gonna wait for the MRI, 776 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 4: and and that's when the MRI I'll come back and 777 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 4: say this is what it is, and they move forward. 778 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: Mike Chapel CBS four WX I in Fox fifty nine 779 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: will have it all covered as we continue with this 780 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: story as it develops. And then tomorrow night, it is 781 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: my favorite night of the year. Nobody but chap and 782 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: I probably care, but it is our I believe it's 783 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: tomorrow night is our dinner, correct, chap six o'clock. 784 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 4: I will be there. I would walk from Beech Grove 785 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 4: to there, and I can't walk very well, so I 786 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 4: always look forward to that. 787 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: I do as well, Chap. We look forward to seeing 788 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: you then and I appreciate it as always. 789 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 4: I'll you later, guys. 790 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: Well Mike Chapel joining us, He will get his course 791 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: light on ice tomorrow when we have our and I 792 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: have always said to me, it is the thrill of 793 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: all thrills, the honor of all honors. That what began 794 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: with Robin Miller putting together at dinner with all of 795 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: the former Indianapolis star writers, and I began my time 796 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: in indie media wise, in the job that Robin helped facilitate. 797 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: As one of the grunts on the AGA bureau, I 798 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: basically took in box scores and typed him into a 799 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: computer that ended up going on the back page of 800 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 1: your sports pages. And even with that, they were always 801 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: gracious enough to include me. And I just sit like 802 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: a fly on the wall and listen to the legends 803 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: tell stories. 804 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, can you tell me the score of South 805 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 5: Dakota State and Wyoming. 806 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: I need to know if to cover the thirteen and 807 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: a half. We used to get a lot of that. 808 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you happen to know that it's always like 809 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: two in the morning.