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Speaker 1: So a big expose yesterday in the Indie Star telling

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Speaker 1: us sort of what we already knew, but in more

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Speaker 1: detail about what a complete dumpster fire the Joe Hogg

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Speaker 1: said administration is running the City of Indianapolis. It's Kennelly

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Speaker 1: Casey show. I'm Rob Casey's out today. Ethan Hatcher in

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Speaker 1: for Casey. Let's see what the Republicans and Marion County

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Speaker 1: are saying about this bombshell piece in the Indie Star.

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Speaker 2: Joined now in.

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Speaker 1: The WIBC Hotline by Josh Bain, member of the Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: City County Council. Okay, Josh. Essentially, what this article says

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Speaker 1: or alleges is that Thomas Carl Cook, the right hand

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Speaker 1: man for many, many years of Joe Hawk, said he

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Speaker 1: was involved in a romantic relationship with a woman by

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Speaker 1: the name of Scarlett Andrews. She led the city's Department

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Speaker 1: of Metropolitan Development and then was the Deputy Mayor for

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Speaker 1: Economic Development. A bunch of Cook's clients when he went

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Speaker 1: to a large law firm in the City of Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: ended up getting big incentives from the city. It looks

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Speaker 1: really bad, but that's part of the course with the

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Speaker 1: Hog set administration these days, what say you yeah?

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I think that's a great summary of it. I

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Speaker 3: think the one thing that we all need to be

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Speaker 3: aware of, as well as the timeline of all this

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Speaker 3: and what did the mayor know and win, because it

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Speaker 3: seems that this was reported to CITYHR pretty early on.

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Speaker 3: City HR recommended terminating Thomas Cook and then not allowing

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Speaker 3: the deputy mayor or I think she was department director

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Speaker 3: at the time, to receive any promotions.

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Speaker 2: Neither of those happened.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they were both elevated either within the hawk

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Speaker 3: seat circle or even within the city administration. So it

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Speaker 3: seems that this is a clear and blatant abuse of

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Speaker 3: public trust and the city's tax dollars.

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Speaker 1: Eighty million dollars was the number that was thrown out

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Speaker 1: in this piece in terms of when Cook leaves Thomas

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Speaker 1: Carl Cook leaves Hogshet's administration goes to this high profile

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Speaker 1: law firm, and then eighty million dollars in terms of

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Speaker 1: publicans incentives to his clients. That is a staggering amount

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Speaker 1: of money that this lady, who he was clearly involved

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Speaker 1: approving or helping approve to his clients.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the text messages that were

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Speaker 3: shared in that Indie Star here Indy story that they

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Speaker 3: worked together on, it seems that they almost orchestrated this

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Speaker 3: relationship and that this was going to be their approach,

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Speaker 3: that he was going to go off into the private sector,

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Speaker 3: she was going to stay there, and they were just

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Speaker 3: going to funnel projects through the city. They were not

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Speaker 3: going to have to meet the same standards that every

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Speaker 3: other project development needs. They were carved out of all

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Speaker 3: different kinds of requirements. And then it goes a step

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Speaker 3: further in the fact that the mayor was working with

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Speaker 3: Thomas Cook at the time after he was already quote

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Speaker 3: unquote let go of the city, which obviously he wasn't

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Speaker 3: let go, but he was funneling political contributions to the mayor. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: the mayor knows all of this is going on, He's

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Speaker 3: known for years that all of this is going on,

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Speaker 3: and he's just sitting there ricking in all the cash

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Speaker 3: based off of this devious relationship.

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Speaker 1: Josh Bain from the Indianapolis City County Council is our guest. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so what when do your Democrat colleagues do something about

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Speaker 1: all of this. I mean, I feel like essentially nothing

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Speaker 1: happened to hog Set as a result of the uh,

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Speaker 1: the investigation, the exposes that came out about him knowing

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Speaker 1: about what Thomas Carl Cook was his harassment I guess

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Speaker 1: would be the right word of women that were his

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Speaker 1: subordinates when he was in the mayor's office. It seems

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Speaker 1: like nothing happened there. When do your Democrat colleagues say, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: enough is enough. Your administration's at dumpster fire. We got

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Speaker 1: to do something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think this article even did the City

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Speaker 3: County Council in a very accurate picture of just being

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Speaker 3: a rubber stamp for.

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Speaker 4: The Hauted administration. And there's a reason why.

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Speaker 3: The City County Council is like the laughing stock of

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Speaker 2: It's because they're just a rubber stamp.

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Speaker 3: They you know, they hold all this authority, but they

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Speaker 2: But it showed that all of these deals, a lot

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Speaker 2: of them go.

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Speaker 3: Through the City County Council, which I think if I

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Speaker 3: all these relationships, you know, there's this relationship between the

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Speaker 2: Then they go and they present this to the City County.

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Speaker 4: Council and they're like, yeah, this is why it's going

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Speaker 3: You know, clearly the Democrats didn't push back on it

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Speaker 3: to find out of any attrition, But the mayor knew

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Speaker 3: City County Council. So the council was blindly voting on

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Speaker 3: all of these economic development deals without even knowing all

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Speaker 3: and you know, this is their own party, you would

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Speaker 3: you know, try to at least defend themselves to find like, well,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know about this, you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: Very disappointing that I was never brought.

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Speaker 2: Up to speed deal. You don't even see any of that,

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Speaker 3: And so far, I think only three of the Democrats

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Speaker 3: it's within their own party. You think they would take

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Speaker 1: Josh Bain, Republican and the Indianapolis City Cuty councils our

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Speaker 1: guest a couple of minutes left with him. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about this big expose that came out yesterday Indie Star Mirror,

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Speaker 1: Indie about more information. It just seems like it's always

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Speaker 1: just new stuff coming out about Joe hog Set, Thomas

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Speaker 1: Carl Cook, the former and deputy mayor. I believe he's

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Speaker 1: chief of staff. And this relationship that Thomas Carl Cook,

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Speaker 1: the millions and millions of dollars that went to Thomas

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Speaker 1: Carl Cook's clients economic development projects. Okay, so what is

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Speaker 1: what was the lure of hog Set to Thomas Carl

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Speaker 1: Cook because this guy seems like the most uncompelling person imaginable,

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Speaker 1: and yet there was some what appears to be almost

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Speaker 1: like an addiction hog Set had to this guy. Were

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Speaker 1: no matter what shenanigans he was pulling, hog Set kept saying,

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Speaker 1: sign me up for more of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I can't figure it out either, Rob. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you look at it.

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Speaker 3: It's not like, look at the demographics in the electoral

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Speaker 3: history of the past twenty years, like fifteen twenty years

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Speaker 3: here in Indianapolis. It's not like you need this high

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Speaker 3: power political consultant to run a Democrat mayoral campaign in

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis to be successful. You know, like the debt is

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Speaker 3: stacked with you, but like everything is in your favor,

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Speaker 3: So it's not like you need to you know, oh

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Speaker 3: my goodness, he's so good, Like he truly understands, you know,

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Speaker 3: the Indianapolis electoral landscape.

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Speaker 2: That's why we need someone like Tom.

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Speaker 3: Like no anybody anybody could run for a Democrat mayor

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Speaker 3: and then you know, odds are.

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Speaker 2: You're going to win.

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Speaker 4: And so that's what's really confusing about it.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what did he have?

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Speaker 3: What does he know, and you know, I think one

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Speaker 3: thing I'm really looking forward to is the fact that

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Speaker 3: this is only part one in the Indie Star Mirror

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Speaker 3: Indian investigation, and on the topic of just the electoral history,

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Speaker 3: you see that a city county councilor named in Rogue

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Speaker 3: Ray is listed in that as being the only Democrat

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Speaker 3: or counselor the ever pushed back on any of these

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if he.

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Speaker 3: Knew about this relationship or not, but if you go

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Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty, who was the number one target

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Speaker 3: in the Democrat primary in all twenty five City Kuinty

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Speaker 2: So it seems that this just continues.

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Speaker 3: The pattern that if you call out any improprieties, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you're part of any dissenting opinion, you will be

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Speaker 3: targeted no matter what side of the aisle you're on

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get you out of here with this, and

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Speaker 1: it's sort of come back to what we talked about earlier.

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Speaker 1: It's a horrible look for the city, it's a horrible

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Speaker 1: look for the Hogs and administration, but so were the

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Speaker 1: numerous other reports. Do you think anything will come of this,

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Speaker 1: or will once again, this just be something that's in

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Speaker 1: the news for a few days and then your Democrat

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do everything I can to make sure

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Speaker 3: that it doesn't just go away. You know, I appreciate

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Speaker 3: the voice that WIBC has been.

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Speaker 2: Giving to this.

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Speaker 3: You know, you look at the traditional media here within

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Speaker 2: By the.

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Speaker 3: Detail in that article that was not something they just

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Speaker 3: threw together over the weekend. So clearly there's been a

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Speaker 3: major investigation by the local media outlets in this. So

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Speaker 3: thank god from Mere Indy for Indie Star and these

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Speaker 3: articles that are really looking into this and not turning

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Speaker 3: a blind eye. And I think the difficult thing that

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Speaker 3: all of us on the council need to reckon with

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Speaker 3: is where do we go from here? How can you

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Speaker 3: trust any thing that comes from this administration? How can

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Speaker 3: you trust any economic development deal that you're voting on?

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Speaker 2: Do you do?

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Speaker 3: You have to sit there as you're hearing these development

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Speaker 3: deals pitched and be like, hey, I just want to

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Speaker 3: check is anyone that's on the petitioner side on the

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Speaker 3: development side, like in a romantic relationship with anyone in

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Speaker 3: the Upper Upper Echelona City government, Like you shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: to ask that that's a weird place to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but now you do, and we appreciate you. Josh Bain,

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Speaker 1: Republican member of the Indianapois City County Council.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you,