1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Governor Mike Braun will today sign a proclamation calling a 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: special legislative session for the General Assembly to convene on Monday, 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: November third, twenty twenty five, to consider altering the boundaries 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: of Indiana's congressional districts and to consider resolving an important 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: issue regarding federal and state compliance that must tax compliance 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: that must be addressed. 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: Tony Katz. 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. Will leave 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: the tax compliance to the side. Governor Mike Braun, Governor 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: of the State of Indiana, joins us. 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: Right now, the. 12 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: Reditioning conversation, the push from Jade Vance, the Vice President 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: in the state of Indiana. Twce, the call from President Trump. 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: You had the Senate Republicans from in the General Assembly 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: in Indiana saying they don't have the votes, yet you've 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: called for the special session. 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: Give me the elevator pitch. 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: What made you decide that you must believe that the 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: votes are there. 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: What made you decide now is the time. 21 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: So let me give you the underpinning of why we're 22 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: doing it and get to the why. I think there 23 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 3: are going to probably be enough votes there. Blue states 24 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: have already gerrymandered as much as they possibly can to 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: the benefit of their own party. You take the six 26 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: New England states that vote roughly around forty percent Republican, 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: they have zero Republican representatives. 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: In the House. 29 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: In Illinois, our neighbor to the west, and twenty four 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 3: that split was forty seven fifty three, yet Democrats hold 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: fourteen out of the seventeen House seats. That is the 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,279 Speaker 3: reason it needs to be done. And then why would 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: we be dragging our feet? I think all along I 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: wanted this to be as organic as possible. Give it time, 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: and there's been conversations going on for a long time 36 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: between the White House. Obviously JA and he came in. 37 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: President's made a couple overtures. But I think if our 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: own folks put their thinking caps on, they'll see that 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 3: this is the kind of even the playing field. And 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: then when you hear the votes aren't there, that's mostly 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: coming from Democrats and others that don't want it to 42 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: occur for the reasons I've just mentioned. They don't want 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: the playing field even. I think once this got to 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 3: where it goes public, you'll have people getting off the 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: fence and you're going. 46 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: To see the votes will be there well, let me 47 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: just in. 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: That it doesn't and then you deal with it because. 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: It's very possible You've called the special session but doesn't 50 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: guarantee the vote. 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: That much is true what other states have done. 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: This all seems to germinate out of Texas making the 53 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: change and then California saying that we're going to engage 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: in retribution. 55 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: If Texas had never moved, would Indiana have moved? 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 3: Well, I think when Texas did it, they were crossing 57 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: the rubicon to actually address the imbalance. California is a 58 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 3: jerrymandered state. They've got enough Democrats there where they can 59 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: jerrymander probably further most other states can't. And that who 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 3: starts first, who's second. The gauntlet's been thrown down, and 61 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: I think Hoosiers are generally not going to maybe initiate 62 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: stuff like that. Play by the rules. But the rules 63 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: haven't been played by by the other side for a 64 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: long time. That's why I thought it was going to 65 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: take time to get to where we are now. 66 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Talking to Governor Mike Braun, the governor of Indiana. A 67 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: lot of statements from the Indiana Republicans in the Senate 68 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: saying they don't have the votes, which I always thought 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: was an interesting way for them to talk about things. 70 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: It seemed like they were trying to engage a pressure 71 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: campaign on Republicans in the Indiana Senate to go forward 72 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: with this. What does your internal whip counts say, do 73 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: you have the votes on redistricting? 74 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: We think we're close enough to where once it becomes 75 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: a public discussion, you'll hide behind the fact that it's 76 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 3: all abstract until you have the discussion publicly. It looks 77 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: like the House was not necessarily there. They had come 78 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 3: along some time ago, and I think this is the 79 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 3: catalysts that most Republicans in our state want it to 80 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: be a public discussion. I think any Senators that are 81 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: still waffling haven't made up their mind. They'll hear from 82 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 3: their own constituents, and I think it'll be to go 83 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: forward with it. 84 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: Indiana Democrats have come out to say, you're afraid of 85 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: the issues. You're losing on healthcare, you're losing on education, 86 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: You're just losing everywhere. 87 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: Governor Brown, how do you respond to that? 88 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: I think if they think their policies, which reflect their 89 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: federal Democratic Party, if that's going to gain stride in 90 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: this state, that is a fatal mistake. We've done more 91 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: to people are looking to Indiana on education. We've been 92 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: the state more than any other that has tried to 93 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: fix a broken healthcare system where our own system works 94 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: like an unregulated utility. And the respect they don't embrace competition, transparency. 95 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: We just touched on it in this last session. I 96 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: think they're grasping at stralls for them to actually do 97 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: well in Indiana. You can't be behind the issues that 98 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 3: their federal party endorses, their national party is off. Actually 99 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 3: want to do more of that. That's not going to 100 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: sell in Indiana. 101 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: Talking to Governor Mike Brown of Indiana, allow me, well, I've. 102 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: Got a couple minutes. 103 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: The conversation has been fierce on redistricting and nasty on redistricting. 104 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: I'm going to share with you a post from GAVEN 105 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: News from the governor of California. 106 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: Responding to your post, your. 107 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: Statement that I just read about the special session on 108 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: redistricting and the federal and state attacks issue. Here I 109 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: share it as he wrote it, Sarah, I've got a minute. 110 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: Looks like Governor Braun needs some knee pads. He's making 111 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: a very gross conversation here that you're just doing the 112 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: white houses bidding and you're just providing them favors. A 113 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: response to Governor Newsom. 114 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: I would say he is trying to stage himself before 115 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: a failed effort to run for president. And of course 116 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: he's got to say it because he's running the most 117 00:06:54,080 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 3: dysfunctional state in the country, and he'll lose congressional disastrics, 118 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: most likely in the twenty thirty census, because people are 119 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: leaving his state in mass numbers. They're moving to places 120 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: that don't run like that. Likewise, New Yorkers, many of 121 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: them are moving to Florida. And when I looked at 122 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: the net migration into a state, Indiana, I think was 123 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: the only one in the northern half of the country 124 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: that had people moving into it. And that's the benefit 125 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: of Pritzker and our neighbor to the west. So I 126 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 3: think that's the response I give, and I'd like to 127 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: hear his response to why people are moving out of 128 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: his state. 129 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: Didn't even get to bless your heart, why you're you 130 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: took the high ground there, sir, Governor Mike Brown. I 131 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time in November three is when 132 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: you wanted to convene in five peconekends will it convene 133 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: on the third. 134 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: I think it will, and I think there will be 135 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: a lot of reinforcement for it. For senators that are 136 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 3: still not sure what to do, they need to listen 137 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: to this, they need to listen to what has been 138 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: going on in other states by Democrats over a long 139 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: period of time, and I think they'll get in the 140 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: right place. 141 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: Governor Mike Brown of Indiana, I appreciate you taking the 142 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: time to be with us more to get to I'm 143 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.