1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You were listening to the Hammer and Nigel Show. Hello, 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: my name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there with 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 1: a very special guests. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: He is the Governor of the great State of Indiana. 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: Governor Mike Brawn joins us in studio. He's been kind 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: enough to join us at least once a month here 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: to get us up to date on all things happening 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: in the state of Indiana. Governor, delete any tweets lately? 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: Have you deleted any tweets lately? Because it sounds like 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: that's a really big deal to some people. 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: Sometimes that's the only way you can get their attention 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: on what they're supposed to do. 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: That's such a good point, such a good point. 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 4: You know sometimes. 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 3: First of all, I remember when I was up on 16 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: Illinois Street and he popped in next to me. Had 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: to get together with some black entrepreneurs and pastors. We 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 3: were talking about things in general. 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: This is the prosecutor Ryan Meers. 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: Yes, Ryan, and I didn't know that, But in my job, 21 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: you never know who's gonna, you know, pop up in 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 3: a conversation. And it was after I had to send 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: or the state police in on the fourth of July, 24 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 3: I shootout at the ok Corral downtown here and had 25 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: we not done that that who knows where that would 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 3: have gone. And then preemptively I made the decision to 27 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: do that on the w NBA weekend, and of course 28 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: that was a weekend that went smoothly. State police have 29 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: done a great job of when the IMPD asks for 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: some additional resources in yeah, right, And everything I'm hearing 31 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: from them is that they're pretty well doing their job. 32 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: And then you know, Mayors is trying to make the 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: case that his you know, things have come down well from. 34 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: Where exactly from the record there. 35 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: And it comes down ten to fifteen percent. I don't 36 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: think citizens are noticing that. And then just this last week, 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: and of course I think this was out in the neighborhoods, 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: there were five individual was killed, three different incidents. 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a twenty four hour span. This is 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,119 Speaker 2: in regards to the Mark Sanchez situation downtown. You and 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: your liegenant governor put out a statement on Twitter on 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: x and basically stating, hey, this is I'm paraphrasing here 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: the current state of Indianapolis. You ultimately deleted that, and 44 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: I believe it's because we found out Mark Sanchez was 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: the aggressor, according to police officers here, and for the 46 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: first time in three years, the Marion County prosecutor, who 47 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: had nothing to say when all of these murders were 48 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: taking place when all. 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: Hell was breaking loose with ninety nine arrests. Right, yeah, 50 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: stabbed an individual. 51 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: First time in three years, tweets about you deleting the tweet. 52 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 3: Right, So I think that everything I saw that followed it, 53 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: they were happy that we smoked him out to at least, 54 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: you know, do something and maybe he'll get the message. 55 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I mean your response was, Look, I'll 56 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: tell you this without trying to your response to his 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: tweet was was really on point. If it's going to 58 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: take you doing your job, then I'll delete every tweet 59 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: I can. Right, it's basically paraphrasey, I think. 60 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: You know what I mean exactly, and that was that 61 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: was our point, and so we think that it's it 62 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: does punctuate the whole issue down here in a broader sense. 63 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: And multiple things can be true, and we've talked about 64 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: this with the Mark Sanchez story. Uh, it can be 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,839 Speaker 2: true Mark with the aggressor, and the city of Indianapolis 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: should not take any shrapnel for that. But It's also 67 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: true we have a higher homicide rate than Chicago per capita. 68 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 4: Right now. We talked about that last time I was here. 69 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: I can see why somebody would assume that that type 70 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: of thing happened in downtown Indy. 71 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 4: YEP. 72 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: So let's talk about downtown Indy. We see what's happening 73 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: in Chicago, the National Guard allegedly ready to go into Chicago. 74 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: We see what's happening in Memphis, what's gone on in Washington, 75 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: d C. 76 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: The success of the Washington DC. 77 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: So with the fact that Indy does have that higher 78 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: homicide rate than Chicago, once you factor in the population difference, 79 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: would you consider having Donald Trump bring the National Guard 80 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: to Indianapolis to clean up parts of East Side or 81 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: these street takeovers that were seeing things that our IMPD 82 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: officers might not have the manpower or the time and 83 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: patience to deal with. 84 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 4: So the big difference. 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: I quit going to Union Station when I was out 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: in DC those six years. You'd go there and it 87 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 3: just was too risky. In DC, and course there were 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: several congressmen that got carjacked, so that needed it. They 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: didn't have state police. Their own police weren't doing the job. 90 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 4: Here. Your police are doing the job. 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: I think it's a prosecutor's issue and what they don't have, 92 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: and JB. Pritzger would have, but he's not going to 93 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: send his state police in to help the Chicago police. 94 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: And with that mayor that Chicago has, who knows. 95 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: A double whammie right there? 96 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: Law enforcements getting by in a place like that. So 97 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: the difference here would be just like when we were 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: able to on that July fourth weekend with a quick response, 99 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: have our own state police come in. That probably makes 100 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 3: unnecessary our own National Guard are. 101 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 4: Needing help from anywhere. 102 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: And I feel quite good about what we're doing with 103 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: law enforcement. They're probably in as good a mood as 104 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: they've been across the state because. 105 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: We're enabling them, we're backing them. 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: Last week I was in where was it here at 107 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: the District fifty two Lafayette and Fort Wayne, extolling what 108 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: they're doing in terms of getting drugs off the street, 109 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: getting folks arrested, not taking ninety nine times to actually 110 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: get someone where they need to be. 111 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: But that has to do with the prosecution again, prosecutors 112 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: and the judge. 113 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: And that's coming back here to prosecution, and I think 114 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 3: We're in good shape when it comes to public safety 115 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: law enforcement. 116 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 4: Other than probably here. 117 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 3: And if we get issues that get out of hand, 118 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: I've got state police that are ready to help IMPD 119 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 3: and they know they can ask us for that help. 120 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: So it sounds like from what you're telling us here, 121 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: you've got all the faith that the local police, state 122 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 2: police they've got to handle, they can do their jobs. 123 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: It's the prosecution, it's the judges. Is there any way 124 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: you could ask for additional federal prosecutors? Would that help me? 125 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: That it gets cross jurisdictional there, You got to probably 126 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: make sure sooner or later you keep on. 127 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 4: It and they start replacing them. 128 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: Even here, you'd think that your citizens that may have 129 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: a liberal bent, that vote for people that they have 130 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: been putting in would sooner or later get tired of 131 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: having to wrestle with the crime statistics could not rationalize 132 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: it that well, it's ten to fifteen percent better from 133 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: what would have been a horrific level to begin with. 134 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: Governor Mike Brawn in studio with us here on the 135 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: Hammer in Nigel's show. Some job updates coming up here 136 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: in just a moment. A couple other notes from the 137 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: news cycle I'd like to get your opinion on sounds 138 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: like this, iedc Audit. Found a lot of stuff right, 139 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: and the listeners of our program, I know the listeners 140 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: of Rob's program, They've been talking about this a lot. 141 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: They feel like this is the halves taking their money 142 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: and the have nots having to pay for the havels. 143 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: Tell me your thoughts on this, iedc Audit. 144 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: So it was clear that from everything I heard as 145 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 3: I was campaigning, that we had to take a look 146 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: at it a forensic afe. It is an expensive one 147 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: and a thorough one, and you've seen all the details. 148 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: Nothing criminal, even though I think the Inspector General will take. 149 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: A look at it. 150 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Some conflicts of interests. 151 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: Oh definitely, and you're probably going to maybe see legislators 152 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: and they're oversight committees take a look at it. But 153 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: all the information is there, and we are turning the 154 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: page completely to full transparency, none of that insider dealing. 155 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 3: If you've got to file an ethics report, you're doing it. 156 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: So this all happened prior to my getting here, and 157 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: I promised I'd do a full audit and we'll have 158 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 3: full transparency going forward. Plus we're taking an approach on 159 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: economic development. That's not going to let it be an 160 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: insider group just. 161 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Want economic development. 162 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: We all just like we don't want money. 163 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: I don't want thirty instances of conflict of interest? 164 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: Are some of the money spent through that foundation? Yes, 165 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: I mean, which is an eye roller to anybody that 166 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: looked at it. So that stuff is going and the 167 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 3: approach is going to be regional in nature, so you're 168 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 3: going to see emphasis across the state. 169 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 4: It's going to be in a way that's fully transparent. 170 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: And when we already since January, I don't think you 171 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: mentioned this, or you may have earlier on the show, 172 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: we've spent on economic development, on the jobs we have 173 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 3: brought in. 174 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 4: Let's see, it's fifty. 175 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: Five thousand per job, is what those costs were to 176 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: get a job in. We've taken that down to sixteen 177 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: thousand dollars on what we've done since January, and raise 178 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: the wage from thirty six to forty one dollars. No 179 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: one can complain about that, and it's good in both ways. 180 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: You're spending less per incentivized job and you're getting better results. 181 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: If you do find improprieties or laundering, as some of 182 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,599 Speaker 2: our listeners have called it. What would be the punishment? 183 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: How do we get the proper punishment for these folks. 184 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: That would be immediately into an inspector general and they 185 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: look at it and if there's some meat there, you 186 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: pay the consequences. 187 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: Accordingly, our newsroom reported that Vice President jd Vance planning 188 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: another trip to Indiana. Have you spoken with his camp? 189 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: Do you have any insight on that? 190 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 4: I just know that they are. 191 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 3: You know, they came in what was that a month 192 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: and a half ago or so, and then several legislators 193 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: went out there and we started something new in the 194 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: Republican Party where we've done a state party dinner in 195 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: the South, which we did at Evansville a couple months ago, 196 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: well attended. We just did one in Elkhart last week, 197 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: well attended, and the chair of the party, Alana Keasling. 198 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 3: I asked her this question. I said, speak about it 199 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: so it's public. What is the mood on redistricting? She said, 200 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: when it started, you know, it was pretty well hanging 201 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 3: with whoever supported Trump was for it. Since then it 202 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: start to flip more support for it and where she 203 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: said it was probably fifty sixty percent, she thinks it's 204 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 3: now up to eighty percent. These are individuals Conservatives Republicans. 205 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: Is there a reason why that twenty percent flipped. 206 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 3: Because they're looking at the information that's actually out there. 207 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 3: Like Massachusetts, same size state we are, it's been jerrymander 208 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 3: to where there hadn't been a Republican in who knows 209 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: how many years, got nine congressional districts. Every one of 210 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: them is jerrymandered to where it's a Democrat. They're just 211 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: slightly bluer than we are. Read the best comparison I've 212 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: said on this show before Democrats, if this was reversed, 213 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 3: it'd be it would take a heartbeat for them to 214 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 3: move forward. Last time they did it on the two 215 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: thousand census, take a look at the maps, they looked 216 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 3: like a splatterboard. I've heard all kinds of descriptions of 217 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 3: where you're literally going down a highway, taking left at 218 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: another one, grabbing three hundred voters. It was that kind 219 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: of jerrymandered mess. Republicans did square it up, straighten it out. 220 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 3: And now it gets back to are we evening the 221 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: playing field? Where it sounds like you're open to how 222 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: long I said, it's going to have to come from 223 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: legislators because my only job is to gable session. 224 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 4: Or call the session. 225 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: They can gabble us out, So there's going to have 226 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: to be some organic support for it. 227 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: Is there a deadline that you're waiting for? Is there 228 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: a cut off date? 229 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: We would have to do this in November, either early 230 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: or late, so we still got time and the case 231 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: is still being made, and like I said, I think 232 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: the last time we talked about it, it's moving in 233 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: that direction. One of them, I do not know JD 234 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: was coming in. I just knew that they were reaching out. 235 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: So he's coming in here in the next day or so. 236 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: That's that's Vice President to you, Governor. 237 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 4: I know, of. 238 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: Course one of your roles as the governor of Indiana 239 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: is making sure jobs are flowing the way they're supposed to. 240 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: What are the job updates here in Indiana? How are 241 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: we doing? 242 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: We're the lowest unemployment state in the Midwest in our 243 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: peer group, jobs are and we technically are below full 244 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 3: employment when you're under four percent, So that means generally 245 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 3: we would still have for certain jobs a need for 246 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: skills upskilling. I just came out with a plan to 247 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: do that, incentivizing that within our own companies. Rather than 248 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 3: trying to recruit in. So we're going to do it 249 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 3: with a solid foundation based upon high wages. That's going 250 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 3: to be the north star and just good jobs in general, 251 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: not how much cap X you're bringing in. You've got 252 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: the other issue with data centers, where those aren't gonna 253 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 3: work probably on the east side of Indy, and they're 254 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: probably not going to work in where population is heavy. 255 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: But we've probably got seventy rural counties that would love. 256 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: One, So you're open to those counties where they could work, 257 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: because like here near Franklin Township, now they recently decided 258 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: to delay it. It sounds like there's not. 259 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: A lot of love for it there and in most 260 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: places you're going to run into too many people being 261 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 3: against it, maybe because some of it's misunderstood. But the 262 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: other issue you've got is high utility rates, and we're 263 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: we're putting three new commissioners on that i u RC 264 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: over the next few months, and they are going to 265 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: be rate payer sensitive. So this is one where you've 266 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: got to be careful. Utility rates were justifiably had to 267 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: go up due to Biden's inflation, just like you could 268 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: make the case on property taxes but in some cases 269 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: it went above and beyond. And we're going to have 270 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: the new individual that's in the oucc abby she has 271 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 3: already said no to I think it was an AES increase. 272 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: And by the way, I'd like you to reduce your 273 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 3: rates appointed her because I knew she would do that. 274 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: We're going to get three new commissioners. But that still 275 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: means there are going to be places for data centers. 276 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: Where you got the water, it's going to take three 277 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: to four years to get enough electricity produced to run them. 278 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: That would probably be natural gas, and so a lot 279 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: of other things have to fall in place. 280 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: Last thing here before we let you go. Want to 281 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: be respectful of your time. There's been some shatter that 282 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: Blackrock trying to buy AES. Now there's been a lot 283 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: of issues with AES here in Indiana. There's been some 284 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: talk about how black Rock is not welcomed in Indiana. 285 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: Have you heard any of this? Have there been any discussions? 286 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: Is this just rumor? 287 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to come in here more often to 288 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: learn the latest. 289 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 4: I I heard. 290 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: So if Blackrock is doing anything, of course, that's a 291 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: huge entity, and many of us think that the bigger 292 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: you get maybe not the better you get. I was 293 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: in a place like that for six years. Look at 294 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: what they're wrestling with to where they cannot get into 295 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: their thick heads that we got to start spending less 296 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: than we take in and now it's a two trillion 297 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: dollar challenge in our own federal government. I was thellowdest 298 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: voice on fiscal conservatism out there, but all Democrats were 299 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: uninterested in it, and about a third of Republicans, the 300 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: neocon defense hawks, aren't interested in it either. So big 301 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: entities from companies are technology companies or giants, they do 302 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: bring some benefits, but I'm always cautious when somebody that 303 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: is that large would want to come in and own 304 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: something that is maybe not working as well as it should. 305 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: But long story short, jobs good in Indiana. 306 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 3: Jobs are good in Indiana, and they're going to get 307 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: better because we're going to be and we're going to 308 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 3: be incentivizing them in a way that's going to pay 309 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: attention to main street and entrepreneurs, existing businesses and the 310 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: best of who we'd want to bring in and do 311 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: it in a way to or it's going to be 312 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: good value, it's going to be totally transparent, and it's 313 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: going to be more organic in terms of the results. 314 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: Kevnor, we always appreciate you coming in studio, hanging out 315 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: with us, drinking our beer and answering our questions. Thank 316 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 2: you very much. 317 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 4: You're welcome. 318 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.