1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Live from Vaal Hartliner and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Just because President Trump says it or advocates for it, 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: just because Secretary Kennedy advocates for it or says it, 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: doesn't make it a bad thing. And yet there are 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: progressives out there saying what you think tilanol is bad 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: for pregnant women. Here, let me show you. And they're 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: just popping tailan all on videos and it's madness. They're 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: going to news and say this is wrong, this is 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: faulty science. That is not the case in the slightest 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, Good to be with you. 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Robert Malone joins me right now. A scientist, as 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: you know him, he is one of the committee members 14 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices ACIP. You can 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: find his work at Malone dot news, and of course 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: you may know his work and his conversations regarding COVID 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: and his book Lies My Government Told Me and the 18 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: Better Future Coming is available at Amazon dot com or 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: wherever find books are sold. Your work in the ACIP 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: is quite interesting in the conversation regarding vaccines as a whole, 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: but let's break down this. I see in a metaphin 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: tailenol conversation and autism. Did you take anything from President 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: Trump and Secretary Kennedy's press conference or announcement there that, 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: as a doctor, gave you pause, that they were giving 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: out faulty information or is that we'd like to say 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: in the biz misinformation. 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. There's a recent meta analysis that was endorsed 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: by the and I think she was a co author 29 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: by the head of public health at Harvard Medical School 30 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: that came to the same conclusion. The problem. The data 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: have been out there, as you say, and more data 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: are coming out from deep analysis of data that are 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:07,559 Speaker 2: being done within the federal government. But the controversy revolves 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: and particularly around a Dutch study that went against the 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: emerging consensus that tail and all during pregnancy was not indicated. 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: It is associated with not only autism but also adult 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: I'm sorry ADHD hyperactivity disorder. So this Dutch study came 38 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: out and said, no, we don't see any association in 39 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: a large population based study. But what people miss is 40 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: that the study only looked at prescription use of a 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: set of menaphin, and there's also over the counter, so 42 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 2: it didn't show statistical differences in the prescription versus non 43 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: prescription group, in part because the data were contaminated by 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: people taking seed of menifin over the counter. But that's 45 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: what cited. And the backstory here is that obstetricians and 46 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: pediatricians have been overtreating fever for literally generations now, and 47 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: UH the drug of choice has been acetamnic unertylotol. And 48 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: as we're finding out in these people you mentioned in 49 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: the lead, these instagram reels of people taking large amounts 50 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: of the cetomenaphin. One of the things that was taught 51 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: to me. You know, it's decades ago now in medical school. 52 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: Acetamnaphin is a common uh, commonly used for people wanting 53 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: to commit suicide. It causes liver failure because it depletes 54 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: glutathion because you need glutathion to metabolize thesetdomeniphin. And it's 55 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: that same pathway of glutathione depletion that seems to be 56 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: affecting the fetal and infant brain development. And so we 57 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: have a clear mechanism of action, we have abundant literature, 58 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: we have, as always happens, a couple of epidemiology studies 59 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: that have accounted for confounders that didn't find a statistical difference, 60 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: But the preponderance of evidence is exactly as the President indicates, 61 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: you should not be taking this. And the core problem 62 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: is that all the other anti inflammatories that can be 63 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: used during pregnancy or in the young child are even worse. 64 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: So they're in kind of a box. And that's how 65 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: we get to this point we're at right now. 66 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: But I think that for a lot of people hearing 67 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: you say that doctor Malone talking to doctor Robert Malone, 68 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: you can get more from him at Malone News, is 69 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: that the way you're describing it. Oh, yeah, this is 70 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: a known thing. This is a known thing. I think 71 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: gets a lot of people upside the head, including myself. 72 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: How is it possible that this is a known thing? 73 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: But we're only now engaged in the conversation of the 74 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: known thing. 75 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: So that's a really good question, and it comes down 76 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: to why wasn't this information made more widely available and 77 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: really emphasized by the FDA. I mean, the FDA has 78 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: fallen down here. The good news is they're now going 79 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: to correct it with label changes and indication changes. It's 80 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: the pediatric societies have fallen down on their responsibility and 81 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: has the obstetrics community and their professional societies and why 82 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: that happened, you know, is is there a surreptitious pharmaceutical 83 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: industry lobbying campaign to promote tailan? Well, there could be, 84 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: but I don't have any clear evidence of that. There's 85 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: no smoking gun. It could well be that we just 86 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: have kind of another massive group thinking going on, just 87 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 2: like we have with vaccines, that all vaccines are safe 88 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: and effective, whereas that's clearly not the case. Vaccines are 89 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: like any other drug. They have toxicities, they have strengths 90 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: and weaknesses. They're great for some things, not so great 91 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: for others. And that's where we need to be, is 92 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: to stop politicizing and stop allowing the pharmaceutical industry and 93 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: these other large interests, including the professional societies or what 94 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: you might call guilds, to bias the data available to patients. 95 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: Patients should be in a position where they're fully informed 96 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: about risks and not subjected to harassment and basically bullying 97 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: by certain members of the medical profession. That's what's going. 98 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: On here now. Everyone should always consult with their own 99 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: doctor before taking anything. But you talk about TAIL and 100 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: all being probably the most popular of these types of 101 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: medicines because other whether it's a sta metaphine or something else, 102 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: are worse for people are who are pregnant. I'm kind 103 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: of paraphrasing you. There is there something you would recommend 104 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: other than a ceda metaphine for relieving pain in women 105 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: who are. 106 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: In pregnancy and in the child. The problem is that 107 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: a ceda, metafin or tylenol is the best of a 108 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: bad lot, or so the data indicate. And so what 109 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: we really have to do in the absence of good 110 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: alternatives and then maybe out there is to back off 111 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: on over treatment of fever. Fever is something that is adaptive. 112 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: That's why we have it. It is adaptive for a 113 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: variety of health conditions, including infectious disease. It's maladaptive if 114 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: it gets too high and too prolonged. But the reflexive 115 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: treatment of any fever in pregnancy or the neonate that's 116 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: got to stop its fever is a natural part of 117 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: the body's response to a variety of things, not the 118 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: least of which is infection. And so what we really 119 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: need to be focusing on is treating the underlying causes 120 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: and understanding them and not just reflexively treating fever. Here's 121 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: a good anecdote for you, Liz. We all hear about 122 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: the Spanish flu of nineteen eighteen, right, this is underpins 123 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: a lot of the culture of modern public health, the 124 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: fear of the Spanish flu. Well, the truth is that 125 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 2: a significant fraction of the deaths attributed to that influenza outbreak, 126 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: where the consequence of overtreating fever with a hot new 127 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: drug that had just been discovered, and people really didn't 128 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 2: know about the proper dosing of that drug. They started 129 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: because you would get a fever with this influenza, they 130 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: started treating the fever and if the fever didn't go down, 131 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: they'd give more drug. The drug was aspirin, and it 132 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: killed people. At high doses. Aspirin will kill you, just 133 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: like at high doses thilanol will kill you. And there's 134 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: been a long history of medicine reflexively treating symptoms rather 135 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: than the underlying causes disease and not recognizing that many 136 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 2: of the body's responses are adaptive. 137 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but most people, they have a fever, they don't 138 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: feel well, they got some pain, they pop too, they 139 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: feel better, and we've kind of we utilize it all 140 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: the time. I don't is your argument not to take it. 141 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: I mean it's specifically for pregnant with. 142 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: Them, but inn pregnancy in pregnancy because the fetal brain 143 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: and the infant brain is particularly sensitive to depletion of 144 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 2: glutathione and depletion of folic acid, and so the unfortunately 145 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: those are pathways that are impacted by aceto menafin. And 146 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: I mentioned the biochemistry behind this. The liver metabolizes a 147 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 2: set of menaphen using glue to thion, and so when 148 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: you have a bullet of aceto meniphen, it sucks up 149 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: the available glue to thion in order to metabolize the 150 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: drug and excrete it. And it's not available for doing 151 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: what it's intended for. And one of those things has 152 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: to do with clearly with neurodevelopment in the infant or 153 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: the fetus. And so we're this you're you're I'm glad 154 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: to hear you kind of gobsmacked by this because it 155 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: shows a lot of people are sir. It shows how 156 00:10:53,840 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: this narrative has been not uh made available to patients. 157 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: This is the kind of thing that your doc should 158 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: be talking to you about in the context of informed consent, 159 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: even for something seemingly as benign as tailanal thailand all 160 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: is quite toxic and it will kill you. As people 161 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: that are doing Instagram reels right now and overdosing on 162 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: tailanol are finding out overdosing. 163 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: Yes, on overdosing, I would agree more with doctor Robert Malone. 164 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: Coming up. 165 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony Katz today, So 166 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: I continue my conversation regarding autism, thailanol, the recommendations from 167 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: the President, and really because of the Secretary of Health 168 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy, and a look at 169 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: the actual data regarding a seed of metafit in pregnancy, 170 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: because if you look at the reaction from leftist press 171 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: and leftists on social media, you might lose your mind 172 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: and you certainly won't know what's happening. Tony Katz, Tony 173 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: Katz today, good to be with you talking to doctor 174 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: Robert Malone. Find his work at Malone dot News and 175 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: his book Lies My Government Told Me available at Amazon 176 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: dot com. Let me just switch gears on you just 177 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: for a moment, sir. Because of your work with the 178 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: ACIP on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and some 179 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: of the changes we've seen from the CDC, not only 180 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: on COVID vaccines but on vaccines for children is people, 181 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: if we listen to news coverage, this is a denial 182 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: of science. And this is Secretary Kennedy being opposed to 183 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: vaccines and Toto, you're there, you are on the committee. 184 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: What is the purpose of these new recommendations and the basis. 185 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: So what's happened over time is that the CDC has 186 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: developed an internal consensus that all vaccines are safe and 187 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: effective and that it's their mission. They truly believe this, 188 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: many of these people, not all of the CDC. There's 189 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 2: a bit of a war going on functionally within the 190 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: CDC right now between these people that are caught up 191 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: in the narrative that all vaccines are safe and effective 192 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: and their job at the CDC is to get shots 193 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: in arms. That's the folks that are within that group, 194 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: I think earnestly believe that they're saving lives and that 195 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: anything that will cause quote vaccine hesitancy, any information that 196 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: available to the public about the true risks and benefits 197 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: of vaccines will lead to vaccine hesitancy, and that will 198 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 2: lead to excess loss of life. But that's a false narrative, 199 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: that's basically non science. That's cult behavior. What the ASIP 200 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: is now doing in the you know, the press is 201 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: not really good at nuance and they're horrible at science. 202 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: These you know, these are folks that couldn't survive organic 203 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: chemistry and they went into journalism. Uh, you know, those 204 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: that are want to be physicians. But what's what's going 205 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: on is that Number one, the old ASIP committee was 206 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: largely composed of people that were representing the interstry and 207 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: academ and the various professional societies, and most of them 208 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: in the working groups in particular, had direct responsibilities and 209 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: appointments relating to their association with the uh you can 210 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: call them guilds or the various professional societies like the 211 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: American Medical Association or the American Academy of Pediatrics. It 212 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: turns out that's illegal. The ACIP exists because of this 213 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: congressional act called FAKKA, the Federal Advisory Committee Act, and 214 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: the FACA Act basically sets up that these large bureaucracies 215 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: will have a totally independent advisory group that can advise 216 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: the director in this case of the CDC, independently of 217 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: the advice coming from the bureaucracy, in this case immunization practices. 218 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: So the people that are on the panel need to 219 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: be totally independent from any of these other advocacy groups 220 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: and from the bureaucracy. But what happened at the ACIP 221 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: is that the bureaucracy captured the ACIP. ACIP was not 222 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: allowed to set its own agenda, it wasn't allowed to 223 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: appoint its own members, it wasn't allowed to choose what 224 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: it would investigate and report an advice on. All of 225 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: that was controlled by the bureaucracy at CDC and basically 226 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: controlled by this cult of vaccination. And so that's why 227 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: you ended up with the series of long standing series 228 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: of meetings where everything was predigested and basically pushed on 229 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 2: the public as the gospel truth and never subjected to 230 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: any true scientific scrutiny. So those people, and some of 231 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: them had direct financial conflicts of interest, They were associated 232 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: with large pharmaceutical grunts, et cetera. They were removed, they 233 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: were retired by the secretary, and a new group was 234 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: brought in that didn't have those conflicts of interest, and 235 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: they the secretary appointed people that were known to represent 236 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: you know, had had a significant experience in vaccine administration, development, oversight, epidemiology, 237 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: et cetera. But didn't represent any these interest groups. And 238 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: that's why the howling is because the interest groups no 239 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: longer have the ability, nor does the CDC. That's why 240 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 2: those resignations happen, by the way, is because through the 241 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: ACIP process, we got authorization to be what we were 242 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 2: intended to be, totally independent and no longer controlled by 243 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: the bureaucracy. And then it became clear that we were 244 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 2: going to ask questions that the bureaucracy didn't want asked, 245 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: for instance, the pediatric deaths. 246 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: This is a constant and continual consideration and conversation is 247 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: do these situations, these institutions, these agencies, do they exist 248 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: to service the citizen or do they exist to service 249 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: the institution? 250 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: Or that is exactly the center of the topic of 251 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: the issue is and to raise it in this particular context, 252 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: should public health, which is structured around utilitarian or socialist concepts, 253 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: be able to tell the general citizenry and patients what 254 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 2: they should and should not do and accept or not 255 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: accept in terms of medical procedures. And the rubber hits 256 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: the road with the vaccine mandates that is classic current 257 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 2: public health logic. We're saving lives and so therefore we 258 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: have to mandate these procedures, these medical procedures on the 259 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 2: general population so that we save lives. But the problem 260 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: is when they do all their modeling, they only pick 261 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 2: certain variables. The even worse logic that's now being advanced 262 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 2: the new bioethics, is to advance the greatest happiness for 263 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: the greatest number, and that is completely contrary to the 264 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: classical physician patient relationship that is all about one on one. 265 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: The physician should be focused on that patient, should be 266 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: serving as an advisor and counselor to that patient. But 267 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: that particular patient, who's unique, has the authority to choose 268 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: to elect or to refuse any medical procedure. This is 269 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: the essence of informed consent, and that's the tension. The 270 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: tension is between the rights of the individual and the 271 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: rights of the collective. 272 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: Doctor Robert Malone finds his work at Malone dot News. 273 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: That's where he finds it all. I appreciate you so 274 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: much for being here. We're gonna be having more of 275 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: these conversations. 276 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: Guys, keep it here. 277 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz and this is Tony Katz Today. Find 278 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: everything at Tony Katz dot com.