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Before we begin the show, 32 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: let's beat the award winning panel you know for thirty 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: years in the Indiana Senate. 34 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: Jim Merritt. 35 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: Hello, Robert, and you know him as the owner and 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: operator of Indiepolitics Dot Org. 37 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: Dou Will Keeps Shabaz. Hello, Good morning, my friends. 38 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:48,919 Speaker 4: How's it going today? 39 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: All the little pep in your spent there? Buster Brown? 40 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: All right, So okay, let's so many places we could begin. 41 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: Let's start with the governor, Mike Braun basically letting the 42 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: cat out of the bag that they're going to do 43 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: a special session for redistricting, and it looks like it's 44 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: gonna happen in November. 45 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 5: Well, he can call a special session, but that's probably 46 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 5: all he'll be able to do. 47 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: Oh, there's no way he would call it if he 48 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: didn't have the votes. Right, the votes are not there. 49 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: What you gotta be kidding? Okay, So Braun, it will 50 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: be up. Let's put it this way. This problem will 51 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: be excited today. It will be in this weekend's chee 52 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: chet because whenever I don't plan to put out one, 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 2: that's when stuff happens. 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. 55 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 5: I have it on very good authority that if Governor 56 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 5: Brown were to call a special session, literally the Capitol 57 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 5: Dome would blow off the roof. 58 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: He said, So this is according to India Indiana Capitol Chronicle. 59 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: He was on Whoa Woah, which is the talk station 60 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: in Fort Wayne. In the process, where we will evolve 61 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: in that direction, quote, I want it to be where 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: it wasn't forced upon our legislature, have our lead talk 63 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: to their own caucus members. Some have already changed their 64 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: point of view when they look at what good comes 65 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: from it. You're going to find that probably the legislators 66 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: will come around to it. I'm going to give them time. 67 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: I think eventually we'll get there. Look, we've been at 68 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: this for months now. This thing has now been on 69 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: the table in front of these people for months, Jim, 70 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: this has reached a point of ridiculous that if you've 71 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: got to work this hard to get some person to 72 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: come around to something, it probably ain't that good. 73 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: Well, it's really interesting that it's taken so long from 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 4: when we started talking about this, when the legislature started 75 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 4: talking about this. When Vice President JD. Vance visits Indianapolis, 76 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 4: legislators visit the White House, and there's probably fire behind 77 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 4: the smoke that the votes aren't there, Because if the 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: votes were there, I think we would have been there 79 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 4: done that, because if you do it right with a 80 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: special session, you've probably got twelve business days in regards 81 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: to all the transparency that has to go forward with 82 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 4: the public hearings, and. 83 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: They're not doing any of that. 84 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 4: Well, it just adds to the fodder right to the 85 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: power of a lawsuit. At the end, if there isn't 86 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 4: the prescribed or the idea of hearings and second reading 87 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 4: and third reading and amendments and everything that comes with 88 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: the legislation. 89 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: Okay, he said something else. 90 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: Then this is the most concerning part of all of this, 91 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: he said, quote quoting a Capitol chronicle, he being brawn. 92 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: If we try to drag our feet as a state 93 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: on it probably will have consequences of not working with 94 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: the Trump administration as tightly as we should. He's basically 95 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: saying that the Trump administration is the mafia. Unless you 96 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: do whatever political activity that we desire, we're going to 97 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: withhold money from you. 98 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 5: He's basically saying Donald Trump has made the state he 99 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 5: had an offer it can't refuse. 100 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's where as red state as you could be. 101 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: We've always been very good to Donald Trump. Heck, your 102 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: last vice president came from our state. And unless we 103 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: further rig our election maps, you're going to hold money away. 104 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 5: Actually it's not necessarily money. It could be a number 105 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 5: of different things. For example, there's no the tolling that 106 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 5: the state of Indiana wants to do, or Bro's been 107 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 5: talking about doing on I sixty five that could get 108 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 5: held up. Well, it's related to money. Yeah, Medicaid waivers 109 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 5: you know, that could get held up. 110 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 4: It always comes back to money. 111 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, And if it'sposly, all need to make a line 112 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 5: to say it's not about money. 113 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 4: It's about money. Yeah. I think it's going to be 114 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 4: tolling of seventy not sixty five. At least that's what 115 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: I've heard. And it does come back to money. It's 116 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 4: everything about money. And that's a shame that that that 117 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 4: that that sort of situation is held over the head 118 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 4: of the legislature and the governor. They the federal government 119 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 4: always holds sway over states, but no more so than 120 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 4: right now. 121 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: But I mean, you got a man up or woman up. 122 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: If you're in the person up and just say okay, 123 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: then do it like I'm not doing what's wrong because 124 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: some guy's threatening me, like we can't run a society 125 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: like that. And I cannot believe. Well I can because 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 2: it's Braun, but I cannot believe he actually admitted that 127 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: out loud. 128 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 5: And also the other thing too, is the other sort 129 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 5: of damnicle is that the Trump folks and Braun have 130 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 5: over the over lawmakers heads. Is the whole issue of 131 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 5: real healthcare because go out to yal hospitals that are 132 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 5: hurting right now, and like if you're in Seymour or 133 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 5: Jasper and you've got to drive like, you know, thirty 134 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 5: a half hour to Indianapolis to get your health care 135 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 5: take care of No, that's another one of those sort 136 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 5: of stick approaches. The problem is with what the broad 137 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 5: people are trying to do via the Trump people is 138 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 5: be two cued by half. And yet the more you ask, 139 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 5: the more you push, the more you push, these guys 140 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 5: eventually are going to say, Okay, no, that's it. We're done, 141 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 5: and we're going to show you how powerful the legislature 142 00:06:59,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 5: actually is. 143 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: Well, and you they can't point to a single poll 144 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: that I've seen, because you know, if they had one, 145 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: they throw it out there that shays, oh the public 146 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: is so. 147 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: Behind this, Oh well look at that a second. 148 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: I wanted to spend some time on this, though, Jim, 149 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: because Braun is not the guy for this conversation. 150 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: He doesn't have. 151 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: He doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to drive policy across 152 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: the finish line and that's what you need right now. 153 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: And him, I mean, he's just the worst guy imaginable 154 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: to try to sell this to people. 155 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: Well, I worry about his relationships with legislators. If you 156 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: recall correctly, back in January February, there were ads that 157 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 4: were placed against senators for a day, for a day, 158 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: but the essence of that type of strategy was employed 159 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: against my former brethren. And I'd never seen a governor 160 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: do that. I'm sure Donald Trump had considered that with Congress, 161 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: and maybe it used that that approach, but uh, this 162 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: is this is a detail. This is a uh, this 163 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 4: is a governor legislator type of conversation where you have 164 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: legislators into the governor's office to talk to them about, uh, 165 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 4: this situation. And and I'm not sure the relationships are there. 166 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 5: Oh, the relationships are definitely not there. It reminds me 167 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 5: of where the Democrats have the walkout over right to 168 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 5: work and Mitch Daniels ran radio ads Pat Bower, won't 169 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 5: you please come home? To the old Bill Bailey want 170 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 5: you please come home? That I'll never forget. 171 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 4: Now. 172 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 5: He didn't attack them. He just said, hey, come here, 173 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 5: come back, come back to Indiana, and let's get your 174 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 5: work done. He didn't literally like you know, Representative Chet 175 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 5: Dobis or Representative Terry Gooden, They're horrible, evil people. They 176 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 5: should be excommunicated. But there was there was none of that, Mitch. 177 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 5: And that's why Mitch. I missed Mitch Daniels every single day. 178 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: The thing is no, wait wait wait wait wait, he wasn't. Uh. 179 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: I mean he did a lot of goofy stuff too. 180 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: I mean see that little stadium down the street from 181 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: us that the taxpayers are on the hook for basically 182 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: a billion dollars. 183 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 4: Governor daniels relationships with legislators was darn good. Well, that's fine, 184 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 4: and that's what we're talking about it. 185 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: I'm just speaking what you're saying, that he was good 186 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: at getting things done. I'm saying sometimes with Mitch, and 187 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: he's a friend of our show and he's been on 188 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: the show numerous times, but sometimes with Mitch, we act 189 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: like the infallible mister Daniels. 190 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: And it's like, oh that didn't turn out so well. 191 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 5: Well, well we always you always, we always romanticized about 192 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 5: the past. Technically, the way things are going Indiana, I 193 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 5: missed the days of ref roll. 194 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 195 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 4: Well, early on the Governor Daniels. Then Governor Daniels had 196 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 4: trouble getting his his his traction. However, his relationships with legislators, 197 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: including myself. We were spot on if if you had 198 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 4: a if you had a beef, or he had an idea, uh, 199 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 4: he'd have you in, or a chief of staff or 200 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 4: or one of his staffer would have you in to 201 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 4: talk it out and flesh it out a lot like 202 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: Donald Trump. 203 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 3: You ever got my mad? You ever been mad? 204 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: I tend to work around mad. 205 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like the ned Flanders of this show. I 206 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: just wondered, like, have you ever yelled at a colleague? 207 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: Like did you ever pound a table? 208 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Or? 209 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: There were some legislators that I'd have my office that 210 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 4: we called the woodshed, but I would make it very 211 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 4: clear on my position on the matter without raising my voice. 212 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 5: Like Mike delf and the caucus thing. 213 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: Are you the one who kicked help out of the caucus? 214 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: It was a caucaus decision. You gotta go. 215 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 4: Abdul knows the story. 216 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 2: That'd be a great one for your book. Rob Kendall, 217 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: Jim Merritt, Bill keep Jabos. The Program of State ho 218 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: was happenings your weekly look at what's going on with 219 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: Indiana politics and government. Talking about redistricting and the governor 220 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: apparently saying they're going or basically about to go or 221 00:10:55,720 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: likely to go, I guess to special session in November. Now, 222 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: this also tells me that the maps are already rigged. 223 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 2: They already know what they're gonna do, and they already 224 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: know who they want to run, because if you approve 225 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: this in November, that gives you two months to decide 226 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: if you're running for Congress, and other than the uber 227 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: connected or the uber rich, there ain't no way you're 228 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: fundraising enough or putting a staff together to run for Congress. 229 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 2: So they are already they've got to be alerting people 230 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: to what these maps might look like, who who they 231 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: might deem desirable to run jenniferuth Green. 232 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 4: You see. 233 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 5: But here's the thing though, But what they dont understand 234 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 5: about the maps though, is let's say lawmakers pass the 235 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 5: maps in November, November three, November fourth, the lawsuits are 236 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 5: filed immediately for voting rights stuff, for equal protection laws, 237 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 5: the whole nine yards. And this is basically on that 238 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 5: one map that basically has Mary kunt Of divide into 239 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 5: three Yeah. Sections, that's the map where that's the fake 240 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 5: map we're working with, right, that's right, right now you 241 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 5: do that, lawsuits are filed an injunction is issued in 242 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 5: a month, you've got filing deadlines, right, people need to 243 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 5: know what districts they're going to be. 244 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 4: In primary coming up. Yeah. 245 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: Well, and here's what's interesting too about this is I 246 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: think the state is Louisiana. There is a lawsuit that 247 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: is in front of the Supreme Court dealing with the 248 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 2: Voting Rights Act, and whatever gets decided with that is 249 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: gonna be the rules of the game going forward. And 250 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: part of me says, and I was having this conversation 251 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: with somebody yesterday, the Supreme Court, I don't think likes 252 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: to be cornered on making a choice, right. They kind 253 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: of like to work at their own pace, and they're 254 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: more have to come around to your side, or if 255 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 2: they're leaning your side, if you let them work at 256 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: their own pace, they're really until that lawsuit gets decided. 257 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 2: If you actually wanted to be able to have more freedom, 258 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: shall we say in how you draw these maps, the 259 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: best thing to do would be to let that thing 260 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: play out. But now they're going to basically force these 261 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: guys into a decision, and I don't think that's gonna 262 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: go well for a lot of people. 263 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 5: See, here's thing about Spreme Court we'll decided when we 264 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 5: damn will feel like it. 265 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: But now they're gonna have all these lawsuits in front 266 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: of them, are gonna be like and you know what 267 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: we're we'll. 268 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 5: Decide what dand with it or better yet, we'll see 269 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 5: in June. We'll see in June. Have a nice day. 270 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, to be relying on on another state 271 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: to settle what could be one additional member member of 272 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 4: Congress for the Republican Party, because as far as I know, 273 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 4: things have really died down about this piecemeal uh getting 274 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 4: rid of Congressman Carson's district and and it's more palatable 275 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: to the legislator legislature here to divide up and consolidate 276 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: what is now Congressman Frank Mr. Van Seat. 277 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: Well, okay, so let's pause with that. 278 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: That see, this is why this is so stupid, because 279 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 2: Andrew Ireland was on our show state representative in Indianapolis 280 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 2: and he and I think he said this in other 281 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: forums too, and this is very weird to me that 282 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 2: he's supportive of the session but not the maps until 283 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: he sees the maps. And he basically made us unlike, 284 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: unless you draw a car person out, he ain't voting 285 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: for it, So are there gonna be people that are 286 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: gonna be that way? 287 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: Like this isn't intense enough. 288 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 4: So I just kind of wonder if these individuals, including 289 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 4: Representative Ireland, are actually talking to their constituents. 290 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, because who is supporting this? 291 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: Yeah? 292 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: Who are the people? Nobody? 293 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 5: The only people who support this are Josh Kelly and 294 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 5: a couple other folks and the governor chief of staff, 295 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 5: govern chief of staff and a few of the folks 296 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 5: in the Governor's office and the hardcore partisan you know, 297 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 5: the Todd Raketas Diego Morales is of this world, which, 298 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 5: by the way, if I do something in Tyrake and 299 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 5: Diaga Morales, it's a good idea. That's my first cool Like, no, 300 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 5: we probably shouldn't do this. 301 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: Well, don't forget the third of me go there in 302 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: the group, the lieutenant governor, he's all on board with 303 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: this too. So you mentioned Josh Kelly, Abdul, the governor's 304 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: chief of staff. At what point does the governor have 305 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: to look around and go nothing's going well? Like nothing, 306 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: property taxes, disaster, the utility bill stuff, disaster, the tolling 307 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 2: does that? 308 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: Like? 309 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: Does that? It's one had raised taxes to balance the budget. 310 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 5: And take a step further look at personnel. Jose Evans, 311 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 5: Jennifer Ruth. Now, Jose just tell it right real quick. 312 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 5: Whose hose Evans was the former head of civil Rights 313 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 5: commits right, Jennifer Ruth Green public Safety gone? Uh, Mike 314 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 5: Spuh who's ahead of business services, had his had his 315 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 5: personnel late issues. I want to say, they're going to 316 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 5: like four major cabinet posts in like nine months. Yeah, 317 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: So at some point, now I know he's got it 318 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 5: some time to have a baby, he's. 319 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: Got enough affinity or he's got an immense affinity for 320 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: for Josh Kelly and and a lot of people he's 321 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: connected to. But at some point, don't you have to 322 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: say this just doesn't seem to beat the job for you. 323 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: Well, you know, with with the governor or any chief 324 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 4: executive officer for a company or for the president United States, 325 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: you are your people and and and your staffing is 326 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 4: so very important. And and I'm certain that the governer 327 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: is always looking at what what the situation is in 328 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 4: inside the governor's office and and if it isn't, then 329 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: there's a real problem there. 330 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm gonna give you guys three options and 331 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: you can choose which one you think it'll be all 332 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: right ready all the above. Option Option one is no 333 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: special session. Option two is special session and it fails. 334 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: The maps fail. Option three is special session in the 335 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: MAPS pass. Which one would you choose if you had 336 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: to pick right now. 337 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 5: I would say special session but no MAPS period. 338 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: I say a special session and maps. I think it 339 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 4: will all flow. The pressure is so hard, harsh and 340 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 4: hard on on the governor, on the legislature that that 341 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 4: this will happen. It will not be two seats. The 342 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: focus will be on Northwest Indiana and UH and and 343 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 4: and it'll get done it. Uh, the legislator legislature really 344 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 4: visited Washington, they got the I'm sure they got pressed 345 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 4: upon the Vice President coming here. I think it happens. 346 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 4: They'll have to spend money to do it. It probably 347 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 4: will hover around Organization Day, which is two weeks after 348 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 4: the first Tuesday in the month of November. And they'll 349 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 4: have to do it quick because schedules. We tried to 350 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 4: at one time, the legislature Senate tried to have hearings 351 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: in December and it was just got awful trying to 352 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 4: get a schedule going. So they'll have to do it 353 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 4: sometime in November prior to organization Day. 354 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: Okay, I think I'm with merit, although I'm going to 355 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: be fascinated to see if they don't draw Carsons District up. 356 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: How many people say, ain't going for that? 357 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: You see? 358 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 5: Because here's the thing though, but I don't think my 359 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 5: friends on the second floor fully appreciate that. Being the 360 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 5: governor's office, if you decide to carve up the seventh 361 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 5: Congression District, you will unleash, holy hell, picture every apocalyptic 362 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 5: film that you've ever seen in your entire life. This 363 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 5: is the omen one, two three and pie. Because the 364 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 5: African American voters, those little ladies who mind their own business, 365 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 5: who don't necessarily come out and vote because I think 366 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 5: it's no big deal, will get mad. They'll be ticked 367 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 5: off and they will come out. And not only will 368 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 5: if who's at risk there? Actually I would argue the state, 369 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 5: the whole state wise, the whole state, the whole states 370 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 5: at risk because you're Dan Elliots, You're at LISTA Shallis, 371 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 5: Jacom Wallis's, you know, all all those guys. If if 372 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 5: the afric Americans come out and vote, because if we always. 373 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 4: Talk about the Marion County, the Central Indiana bubble. Uh, 374 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 4: nobody knew what was going down. Uh in Clark County 375 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 4: with Jamie Knowle. Uh. No one in northwest Indiana is 376 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: going to know or believe what Jennifer Ruth Green did. 377 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 4: And so how does it get outside of the twenty 378 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 4: counties that listen to us? 379 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 5: Easy because African Americans will come out and vote and drove. 380 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 4: Because they are outside the bubble. 381 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: And as are you implying, Jim like that some news 382 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 2: there are black people outside of outside. 383 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: Of the toy I think I just love that you 384 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 3: put that up. 385 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 2: There are there are African American voters outside of the 386 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: twenty county sierras. 387 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 4: I'm asking the question we. 388 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 5: See the thing is see but just the thing though, 389 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 5: you don't necessarily need those African Americans who live out, 390 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 5: say you know, in Richmond or or Danville, there are 391 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 5: enough African American voters they actually were to come out 392 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 5: in droves in Marion County. 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Yes, and when she served as a candidate 438 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 4: to run for the legislature, I was the chairman of 439 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 4: her campaign. 440 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so she is what the energy and Natural 441 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: Resources secretary for Braun Yes, and people are now you're right, 442 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: she's a failed state house candidate. And then she did 443 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: something for Trump capes it's sick, I know, but losing 444 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: is still losing. And then she was worked for Trump, right, 445 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 2: some sort of energy something for Trump. She was at 446 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: was at the Indiana Fiscal Policy Institute, and you have 447 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: this story at Indie Politics Abdual Capital Chronicle as the 448 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 2: story up, and she blasted these local governments who are 449 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: crafting policy that are essentially shutting down wind and solar 450 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: and various other energy projects. 451 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 5: Well close it was based. 452 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: That didn't work out well. 453 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, The conversation was around data centers because the policy 454 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 5: summit this time around was about energy in Indiana's energy needs, 455 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 5: water resources, the whole nine yards, and so the conversation 456 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 5: came about data center because at the end of the day, 457 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 5: that was the anentered pound grill in the room everybody 458 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: was talking about. And so some local governments of like 459 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 5: he was talking about Hello, governments would know they court 460 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 5: the data center like Google, and then as they get 461 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 5: closer and closer, they would change the thing, and then 462 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 5: the data center couldn't pop up. 463 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: Time time out on a second of that. This is 464 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: the problem with the IEDC. We don't get any information 465 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: for her to act like these local communities. 466 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 3: Are like your data center. I don't think that's exactly 467 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: how this course works. 468 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 4: It was. 469 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 5: Here's the thing though, So went have to say that 470 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 5: if you're a developer and those local governments they do 471 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 5: all this, then at the last minute they pulled the 472 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 5: rug forneath, you should sue these local governments. 473 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, unbelievable. 474 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 5: So and everybody's job it was. It was a lining 475 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 5: blazing saddles. Look ark, I said, the sheriff is then 476 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 5: the sheriff shows up, excuse me, while the whipness upus 477 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 5: like jaws dropped the floor. 478 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: Literally that was the root. 479 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so is a quote that's disgraceful personally, I think 480 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 2: that those companies should start suing those communities and get 481 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 2: serious about it. So what she's mad about is that 482 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 2: in any economic development proposal, there's a back and forth 483 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: amongst the staff for lack of a better term. And 484 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: then it starts the process of working through local economic 485 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: development commissions, the planning commission, and then the ultimate decider 486 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 2: is either the town or city council or the you know, 487 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 2: the county commissioners. And that's how the process works. And 488 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 2: who listens to the citizens the most, the elected people. 489 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: She's mad that appears to be mad that the local 490 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: elected officials are listening to the local people in their community. 491 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 4: I disagree with my friend Secretary Jabowski on this. One. 492 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: Way back in the nineties, when utilities were struggling to 493 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 4: offer power when August came and it was really hot, 494 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 4: or winter came in, it was really cold, and some 495 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 4: of the utilities, some of the entities came into Indianapolis 496 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: and Indiana it had peaker stations, peaking stations, And what 497 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 4: I mean by that is they came in and they 498 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 4: wanted offer power so that when a utility couldn't come 499 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 4: with it, when when the extreme measures came uh that 500 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 4: that they would add on to it, add on to 501 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 4: the top of it. Well, some of those peak are 502 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 4: peaking stations. Some of those companies failed early on because 503 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 4: they didn't come into the community and talk with the mayor, 504 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 4: talk with city council, talk with the chamber, talk with 505 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 4: the people that really the build relationships. And I think 506 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 4: I think that's I don't know enough about this Franklin 507 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 4: Township to really understand exactly. 508 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 3: There's a Google Data SI. 509 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 4: Google survived in Tennessee because they went into the Tennessee 510 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 4: Valley Authority. They went in and talked with the Governor's office, 511 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 4: they went in talk with the locals, and and they 512 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 4: now have a situation where Google is bringing power to 513 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 4: the state and but it's not to the risk or 514 00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 4: to the to the the rate payer. Google is created 515 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 4: the power and they've had a kind of a they've 516 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: deregulated the situation, and that's what should happen here. They 517 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: shouldn't come in and over overwhelm the locals, which it 518 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 4: looks like they did in Franklin Township. 519 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: She went on to say, these local moratoriums are setting 520 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: our energy policy, and not only that, it's creating a 521 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 2: reputation or industry doesn't want to come. That's so offensive 522 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: because first of all, we don't exist for industry, but 523 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: second of all, clearly they do want to come, because 524 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 2: there's like forty of these things that are proposed over the. 525 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 4: You know next, Well, they've got to do it differently 526 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 4: in other places. 527 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 5: How many news relations that we got from the governor's office, 528 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 5: and it has the best place to start a base, 529 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 5: and he had the best place to raise a family, 530 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 5: and then that has the best place to do this great, 531 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 5: great quality of life. So if nobody wants to come here, 532 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 5: then okay, which one isn't? Are we are a great 533 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 5: place to do business? Are we a horrible place? 534 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 4: Well, it's time to start over with Google and everything 535 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 4: else and not come in here and just kind of 536 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 4: expect the locals to rule there. 537 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're not talking about that, but talking about 538 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 2: your friend here. Your friend needs some sort of class 539 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: on how to talk to people. Because that was so 540 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: offensive what she said. Got thirty seconds left here of 541 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 2: the show. I'll give you the final word, Jim. That 542 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: is so offensive the way she worded that, And I 543 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: hope she woke up today realizing how many people are 544 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: livid at her. 545 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 4: Well, I haven't had a conversation with the secretary, probably 546 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 4: on purpose. There has to be a change and strategy 547 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 4: if you're going to have data centers. I truly believe 548 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 4: that Crane Naval Base ought to be the first place 549 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 4: for a small module reactor because it's federal land and 550 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 4: we need to start over. 551 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 3: What a show. 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