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Speaker 1: The Pacers have been sitting on Rick Carlile's nine hundred

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Speaker 1: and ninety ninth career win. Now for the last that

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Speaker 1: I checked three months and seven days, right, something like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Here's your beverage. Tony East joins us on the program

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Speaker 1: from Forbes. Locked on Pacers, Tony, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great? And I liked that you let in with

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Speaker 2: Carlisle's nine to ninety nine because I wrote, I pre

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Speaker 2: wrote the story of him getting a thousand. Put the

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Speaker 2: quotes in during the NBA Cup break. That was almost

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Speaker 2: a month ago. Now it's been crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say, I have to and

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Speaker 1: at this point, if you have player comments in there,

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Speaker 1: you got to go back and adjust because some of

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Speaker 1: them are probably gone, right.

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Speaker 2: TJ McConnell said in December instead of just said yes.

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Speaker 1: That's right, okay, let's begin with this. You know, for

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Speaker 1: what it's worth, I saw you had yesterday. I was

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Speaker 1: a little confused by it. It's relatively inconsequential admittedly, but

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Speaker 1: the wave of Tony Bradley and then the call of

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Speaker 1: well maybe actually hang on, can we talk what's behind

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Speaker 1: all of that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, money savings basically, you know, if you pretend right

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Speaker 2: now that in the next ten days, because he already

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Speaker 2: signed his ten day, the best trade ever for the

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Speaker 2: Pacers falls into the PACER's lap, but it requires them

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Speaker 2: to wave somebody to do it. If they wave Tony

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Speaker 2: Bradley on his ten day, they have very little financial,

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Speaker 2: you know, impact by doing so. If they had him

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Speaker 2: on his old deal and they had to wave him

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Speaker 2: in the same situation, they would have had a lot

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Speaker 2: more of a financial impact. So it just saves him

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Speaker 2: a lot of money. And if they, you know, give

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Speaker 2: him another ten day after this ten day gets them

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Speaker 2: basically all the way to the trade deadline and maximizes

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Speaker 2: all of that flexibility. So you know, it's just all

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Speaker 2: about money and options. Because they're less than a month

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Speaker 2: from the deadline, they got to figure out what they're

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Speaker 2: going to do at some point, and if they don't

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Speaker 2: have to lose any players but can save money to

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Speaker 2: do it, seems like a win win to me.

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Speaker 1: Realistically, of the roster you look at right now, and

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about Tony, the assumption that you have

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Speaker 1: everyone healthy, okay, so once Halliburton's back, once Topping's back

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Speaker 1: on all of that, right you're looking at the players

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Speaker 1: that we have right now, how many odd men out

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Speaker 1: would be? How many people not names, but how many

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Speaker 1: individuals would they have to make? Two of them would

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Speaker 1: have to go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two or three for sure, I would.

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Speaker 1: Say, now now we'll go names. The two or three

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Speaker 1: that you feel like are just roster fillers right now.

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Speaker 1: And even though they can pretend there's future, the reality is,

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Speaker 1: once you're back fully healthy, they probably get a parting gift.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't need four centers, right Like now that

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Speaker 2: Michael Potter looks like a player, you know you saw

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Speaker 2: him courtside, right like, he's the energy giver too for

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Speaker 2: a team that really needs it. You know they don't.

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Speaker 2: They probably won't need Tony Bradley once Isaiah Jackson is

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Speaker 2: eventually back healthy. So i'd imagine that's one of the

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Speaker 2: But right now, Isaiah Jackson does have a concussion. This

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Speaker 2: more reason to stick with it. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: currently getting minutes that certainly would not when those guys

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Speaker 2: the back, like not all of Furfy, Shepherd and Walker

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Speaker 2: can play when the team is fully healthy. This Cam

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Speaker 1: You know, Cam Jones is an interesting one. People have

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Speaker 1: asked me this. I will defer the question to you.

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Speaker 1: I know in the beginning there was injury. There is

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Speaker 2: You can see him in the games. He's got this

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Speaker 2: of constant management. I don't know if that's the reason

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Speaker 2: that he's not playing though he too did they play

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Speaker 2: the Spurs. When they played the Spurs, like they put

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Speaker 2: Deer and Fox and moved pretty well and was kind

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Speaker 2: has kind of just chosen the guy that he thinks

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Speaker 2: gives them the best chance to win or fits the

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Speaker 2: matchups the best. He said Jay Huff started over Michael

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Speaker 2: Potter in their last game because of matchups, which is

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Speaker 2: not related to your Cam Jones question, but does certainly

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Speaker 2: tell that he is still searching for the best fit

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Speaker 2: in any single moment of who he thinks gives the

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Speaker 2: so if he thinks Cam Jones can actually help them,

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Speaker 2: he'll put him on the floor. And he has actually

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Speaker 2: done that when given chances, but there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of chances where he's not giving them the best chance

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Speaker 2: to win. There will be a time this year, though,

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Speaker 1: Far, Tony, Where would you assess the mental aspect for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's brutal for everybody at own point, and

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Speaker 2: still feel like not last year's team necessarily, but just

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Speaker 2: And then they wear their hearts on their sleeves at

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Speaker 2: postgame and they're, you know, all upset because they've lost

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Speaker 2: thirteen games in a row and that's natural, like that's

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Speaker 2: what losing does to teams. But Siakam is the guy

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Speaker 2: that's like, I mean this sounds rich because they're six

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Speaker 2: Like his stats are better in the NBA this year.

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Speaker 2: It's like him and eight guys that's it, and they're

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Speaker 2: and he's doing everything he can, and there's like three

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Speaker 2: somebody does the play wrong or cuts it a horrible

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Speaker 2: a defensive coverage. And not that he's like immune from mistakes,

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Speaker 2: but for a guy that for his whole career, winning

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Speaker 2: like everybody claims they want to win. Like how often

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Speaker 2: I've heard Pascal Siakam say on the record and postgam

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Speaker 2: we all get paid, Like how great is that? Like

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Speaker 2: he wants it for everybody to be what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: And part of why I think he wanted to be

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Speaker 2: And he came here and they're immediately very good and

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Speaker 2: they're not winning at all. In fact, they're winning a

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Speaker 2: historically low amount right now in franchise history, and that

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Speaker 2: I think the hard part for a lot of these

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Speaker 2: But I mean, do you have to deal with it now?

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Speaker 2: And it sucks to have to do that, and they

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Speaker 2: there's no sight of a win anytime soon. They keep

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Speaker 2: maybe not more uppy than you'd expect from a thirteen

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Speaker 1: Right now, Tony, let me ask we've not really gone

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Speaker 1: over this in a while. I haven't asked you this

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Speaker 1: in some time, truthfully, Tyrese Haliburton, we know obviously, and

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Speaker 1: look is his difference literally that between a half a

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Speaker 1: There are other variables there, right, but he clearly is

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Speaker 2: I wondered how much of this can be attributed to him,

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Speaker 2: because I mean even last year they were four and

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Speaker 2: So there's obviously so much more going on than just

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Speaker 2: they've always been missing someone else, whether it's McConnell, top

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Speaker 2: and name every player on the team. James Johnson's gone,

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Speaker 2: they're coaching staff's differ it right, There's a million factors

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Speaker 2: the last time he did an update was on Prime

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Speaker 2: last month. But like we can see now since then,

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Speaker 2: the thing he does now that he wasn't doing when

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Speaker 2: getting your body back to the size that you want.

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Speaker 1: To play at.

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Speaker 2: You know you can't do a lot for months, like

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Speaker 2: So I think he's at that kind of stage now

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Speaker 2: what you want to call it, close playing in scrimmages

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jake, come on, read the number that's not there.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right. All right, Tony, appreciate it, man.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's listen. Did you ever before we let

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Speaker 1: now on the Java House. Peel and poor guest line, Anthony,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, brother, Hey, thanks for having me, and

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Speaker 3: thanks for that wonderfully and introduction.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Well. You're aware of all those stats, obviously, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Let's begin with this, and I do want to talk

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Speaker 3: It is unbelievable and unimaginable that we could be at

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Speaker 3: you know, he really instilled, you know, just to discipline

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Speaker 1: You know, I look back on Anthony when you I

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Speaker 3: Because coach Malory always said to the athlete directors, we

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Speaker 1: And Hepner both right, because those are the two men,

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Speaker 3: You know, Coach Mallory when he said when he said jump,

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Speaker 1: You after your playing career, Anthony Thompson's my guest Jaba

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Speaker 1: You retired how long ago from that? Two years ago? Okay,

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Speaker 3: I saw it as this guy is an as he's

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Speaker 3: way that uh, the university thought about Indiana football. He

433
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 3: knew that he had to change state in the nation

434
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Speaker 3: of how they thought about Indiana football. That's one of

435
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 3: the first things that he did. And he took on

436
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,720
Speaker 3: that as a warrior and as a sap. That guy

437
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 3: has ice in his veins. Man, when I hear his interviews,

438
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: it's just like, oh, I would have loved the I

439
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 3: would have loved to play for him, because he's just

440
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,440
Speaker 3: so confident. He's just so he's not a cockier arrogant.

441
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: He's confident what he knows, what he can do and

442
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 3: how it can He's a leader of young men. And

443
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 3: so that was the most thing that that's that really.

444
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Speaker 1: Excited me about.

445
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 3: You know, one of his first in the first time

446
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 3: I've ever heard him. And so no, he had to

447
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 3: he had to change the culture, he had to change

448
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: the mindsets because I guess you know.

449
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Speaker 1: We were they're.

450
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: Losing this university in the country, and so you better

451
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 3: come in with your guns loaded.

452
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 1: And he did. And then in terms of the on field, Anthony,

453
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: you know the game you played it, Anthony Thompson, My guest,

454
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 1: what about this team has most jumped out at you?

455
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: And what is the area that might give you concern

456
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: going into this rematch with Oregon.

457
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Speaker 3: You know, the first thing I would tell you this

458
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: that the quarterback, Uh Fernandos, He's he's unbelievable. You talk

459
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: about a leader, talking about a humble individual. You talking

460
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 3: about a guy that his teammates loved to play for.

461
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Speaker 1: I mean he is.

462
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Speaker 3: He is unbelieved, a very articul is very just a

463
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 3: just a good person. He's more of a better person

464
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: off the field than on the field. And so I

465
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 3: would lead with that because if you've got a leader

466
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 3: like that, people will play, you know, you'll play harder

467
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 3: for that individual. I call him he's almost like a

468
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: junior Tom Brady. Now I'm gonna lose those terms lose,

469
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 3: but he's all. He reminds me of that because he'll

470
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Speaker 3: get this, He'll get it when a play is called,

471
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 3: He'll get his team in the right play. You have

472
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: to change the play. He'll get him in the right play.

473
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 3: That's what I love about him. He's you know, has

474
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Speaker 3: nice in his veins, and so I saw, I think

475
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: you start with that. And I think when you go

476
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: into this game against Oregon, you know, you got to

477
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 3: throw that first game out. That means he's a different

478
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 3: team or is a different team, you know. But the

479
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: thing about us, we're hitting on all cylinders. So it's

480
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: gonna be like coach Mallley would say, it'll be old

481
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 3: fashioned Donnie Brook. And I think Sieg will have our

482
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 3: you know, teams prepared, and we don't make very many mistakes,

483
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 3: so we need to knock on wood and keep you know,

484
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: doing not doing that. So I'm excited about this matchup.

485
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a great matchup in a great game.

486
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Speaker 1: I've been bitter, bitter, Anthony, Anthony Thompson, my guest, I've

487
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: been bitter for thirty It helped this year to finally

488
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: exercise the demons a bitterness within me. But when you

489
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: had three hundred and seventy seven yards against Wisconsin, I

490
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: said to myself, the Heisman trophies coming to Bloomington, I mean,

491
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: and then there's the Sports Illustrated cover that said five

492
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: for the Heisman, and I'm going to go off the

493
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: top of my head, I believe it was Emmitt Smith

494
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: was one of those five? Was he not Miss Smith? Okay?

495
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: Emmitt Smith, Anthony Thompson obviously Andre Ware who ended up

496
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: Major Harris of West Virginia? Right? Yes? Who was the

497
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: fifth one? Do you remember? I don't recover. Was it

498
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: to Tony Rice? Wasn't still a notre name? Was he

499
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: to memory?

500
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: So?

501
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: Those five? So, and then as the race is coming

502
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: down to it, and I'm working at o'malia's food market

503
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: over by Cathedral High School, and I'm working in the

504
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: produce section that day, and I'm listening to the radio

505
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: and the bucket games on, and Indiana's about to lose

506
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: the bucket, and I'm thinking, if they lose the bucket,

507
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: they don't go to a bowl game, and if they

508
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: don't go to a bowl game, they don't get a heisman.

509
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: And Bill Mallory puts Anthony Thompson in for the kick

510
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: return to try to put Indiana in position. And in

511
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: my mind, and each time I rethink this, Anthony, I

512
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: give you five more yards. In my mind, you returned

513
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: it ninety two yards down to the eight yard. Now

514
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that it was that, but it was

515
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: a hell of a return. Now, give me take me

516
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: through the thought process of how you ended up. And

517
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, maybe you were a return man earlier

518
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: in your time in Indiana, but that felt like a

519
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: hail Mary on ground. To take me through it.

520
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I didn't, you know, the game was

521
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: winding down and Coach mounts, Hey, I want Anthony, you know,

522
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: to return to the ball, and I'm like, I haven't

523
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: done that all year, you know, and I don't know

524
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,239
Speaker 3: if I can catch the ball at point and so

525
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: but I was just so excited about the bucket game,

526
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 3: playing the bucket and said, okay, we got to do

527
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 3: something there. And so the ball picked directly to me,

528
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 3: which I was surprised. I thought they would kick it

529
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: away and I'd run down the sideline and just all

530
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I was down the right sideline and

531
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: ran out a room and if I was a little

532
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 3: bit faster, I think I would have touched down. But

533
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 3: we got pretty close to it, and so it was exciting.

534
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 3: That was an exciting time. It's like, you know, it's

535
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 3: like you want the ball, You want the game in

536
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: your hands. If you're a baller, you want the game

537
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 3: in your hands. Okay, And so I felt really good about.

538
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: That you stepped out of bounds. Where do you remember

539
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: how close you got? Because in my mind eight yard.

540
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: Line I'm going to say, probbably fifteen yard line, maybe

541
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 3: ten or fifteen yard line, something somewhere like that.

542
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: I'll stick with eight eight yard line. Your eight yard time, now,

543
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: I will tell you that. And then unfortunately Scott ban

544
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: Now missed the field goal and out of Castle High School,

545
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: and you guys didn't get to go to the Bowl.

546
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: But I do think still that. Now do you have

547
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: a relationship with Andre Ware? Oh?

548
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I'll tell you a quick funny story about Andre Andre.

549
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: I was when I was administrator at I. You, we

550
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 3: were playing in Illinois and they came to our stadium

551
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 3: and Andre Ware was the broadcaster, okay, and they wanted

552
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: me to do a broadcast.

553
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: They wanted me to come.

554
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 3: Up and talk with them at halftime, you know, talk

555
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: about the game and things like that. So we're on

556
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: national television. Mind, okay, So I'm with andre and I

557
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: forget the other guy's name, and so the first thing

558
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: I said on National Tell, I said, Andre, where's my

559
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: Heisman trophy?

560
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: At oh?

561
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: He busted out laughing cat totally off guard, and everybody

562
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 3: to start busting out laugh So Andre's a great guy.

563
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 3: We're really good friends, and so he you know again,

564
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: he just really back then was a really enjoyable time.

565
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: I never thought of it, never even dreamed about being

566
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: able to run sort of highest some trophy.

567
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: You should at least get the trophy every other weekend, right, right, all, honestly,

568
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: maybe everyone knows it. Everyone knows it, right, I mean,

569
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: come on, let's be real here. Okay, here's the other

570
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: thing I was going to tell you. And I'm curious

571
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: if you're a thought on this. So my freshman year

572
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: of college, I go to the University of Kansas. Okay,

573
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: and I'm at the University of Kansas. I ended up

574
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: transferring back to you. But I'm at the University of

575
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: Kansas and on the dorm floor we have a Techmobil League. Okay,

576
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: everybody gets to be a team in Technobil. I got

577
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: like second pick, and I'm like, I'm going to be

578
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Cardinals, specifically because I wanted Anthony Thompson on

579
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: my Techmobile. I'm fanboying here and telling you this, so

580
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. They didn't give you Bo

581
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 1: Jackson speed on techmobile. But every time that I got

582
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: the ball down to the one yard line, I would

583
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: hand it to you first and goal, and then second

584
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: and goal, and third and goal, and usually it was

585
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: fourth and goal, and eventually the game would let you score. Now,

586
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: you led the University of Kansas Techmo bul League at

587
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: the JRP Dorm floor too, with seventy one touchdowns in

588
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: that season. Okay, but they didn't exactly give you burning

589
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: wheels to do it. Did you ever take up any

590
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: issue with Techno bullet the way that they had Anthony

591
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: Thompson profiled, No, not at all.

592
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: Anybody would love to have Bo Jackson's speed, by the

593
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: way that was he was. That was ungodly speed that

594
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 3: he had, So no, I had no problem. Was I

595
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: was just kind of a power runner, hard nos runner

596
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: myself after the late great Walter Payton. His running style,

597
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 3: just physicality. I wasn't a burner. I was not a burner.

598
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 3: I wouldn't didn't have great speed, but I was a

599
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 3: decent you know, and the things that I perfected and

600
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: you know at my.

601
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 1: Running back craft. Okay, lastly, before we let you go,

602
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: two things. Number one, I want to give you the

603
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: chance here to let our listeners know what being an

604
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: indie he had a football player, and notably, what being

605
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: a player that was playing for Bill Mallory meant for

606
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: you then and what it means for you now.

607
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 3: Playing for Bill Malery. I'll start with that again. He

608
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: was a leader of men. He taught manon, I was

609
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 3: gonna name my first daughter after him Mallory, but my

610
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: wife shut that down and said no.

611
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: We talked.

612
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: We talked about naming her Sierra to the Oops, and

613
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: so I wanted to name That's how that and I

614
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: bet you just probably teen to twenty guys had named

615
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: their children.

616
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: After Bill Mallory.

617
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 3: That's that's how much she met to us as a

618
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: father and as a leader, as a and as a coach.

619
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: And the way I feel now, I'm so proud of

620
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 3: what these guys are doing. I'm so proud of the

621
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: Hoosion Nation. And this is what this is what we're

622
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: being looking for for eons. I mean this, I mean

623
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: this is since nineteen fifty forty five or something, when

624
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: Joe Taler, when the caller Fair was George Cali Fare

625
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: was playing, and so we were this is what we've

626
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: been looking for when they're hoping for is now it's happened.

627
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: You got a pictures that we were pitching. It's like

628
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: we're living to dream this We're living a dream man.

629
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: This is serious and so it's very exciting.

630
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: The well, first off, you're playing for the game will

631
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: be what are you going down? I assume going down.

632
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: To the pachol Oh absolutely, oh absolutely.

633
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. You got to be front and

634
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: center for all of it, right, Oh, I would not

635
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: miss it. And then you will be heading to Miami

636
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: after that right to see them hoist trophy. He no

637
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: doubt about that. I'll be on the field that game.

638
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: Can you if they promise you that, if they did

639
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: it this way where they honored you, could you do

640
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: another one of those like three yard leaps into the

641
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: end zone? Is that still possible? You get me?

642
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 3: Boy? The int away I might be I might be

643
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: able to jump over a penny.

644
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if listen, if there's a national championship trophy

645
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: with Indiana's name inscribed on an on the other side,

646
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: I'll bet you'll find a way right.

647
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Speaker 3: Oh, I'll find Oh, you better believe that I'll find

648
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Speaker 3: a way. I'll conjure up Bill Mallory and I'll find

649
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Speaker 3: the way. Play trust and believe that.

650
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Speaker 1: Well, my understanding is your nickname in high school was Amp,

651
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Speaker 1: but now, of course at is what most people know.

652
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Speaker 1: Anthony Thompson, the Indiana football player. Number thirty two will

653
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Speaker 1: never be worn again for the Cream and Crimson. Anthony,

654
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Speaker 1: it is a great pleasure to have you on. Certainly

655
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Speaker 1: enjoy the success. I enjoyed watching you as a player,

656
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Speaker 1: and hope you soak in everything that comes with it.

657
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Speaker 1: And should they win, we would love to have you

658
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Speaker 1: back on the program. Oh.

659
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you so much. I really enjoyed yourself. Thank

660
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Speaker 3: you so much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Thompson joining me on the Java House, Peel and

662
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Speaker 1: poor guest line. One of the legendary players down in Bloomington,

663
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Speaker 1: and again his number thirty two. I believe I'm correct

664
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Speaker 1: in saying later in jam Vsen and the Crossover, I

665
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Speaker 1: can ask for clarification, but I believe his number thirty

666
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Speaker 1: two has been retired sport wide in Indiana. I don't

667
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Speaker 1: think any athlete can wear thirty two in Bloomington, regardless

668
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Speaker 1: of sport. I could be wrong in that, but certainly

669
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Speaker 1: he was the first football player to have his number

670
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Speaker 1: retired at IU. I mean now in the Jaba House

671
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Speaker 1: Peel and Board guest line, he is, of course a

672
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Speaker 1: part of the program. Bob Kravitz dot com is where

673
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Speaker 1: you can read his column longtime Indianapolis sports writer Bob,

674
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Speaker 1: I'll get right to this. Chris Ballard's press conference earlier today.

675
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: Your overall takeaway or impression.

676
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: Well, I went into it thinking what the hell can

677
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 4: he possibly say that he hasn't already said. I mean,

678
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: you knew he was going to fall on his sword,

679
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: and that's exactly what he did. I thought that he

680
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 4: had to walk a tightrope because he doesn't want to use,

681
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: you know, the injuries as an excuse. But you know,

682
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: when you lose your top two quarterbacks and your third

683
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 4: ones got a knee, I mean, those are pretty good explanations,

684
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Speaker 4: if you know, if nothing else. So I thought that

685
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: he he rather definitely handled that element of it. You know,

686
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Speaker 4: you don't want to say the injuries derailed the season,

687
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: but I mean, let's be honest, the injuries arailed this season.

688
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Speaker 1: I understand it. My thing has always been Bob, and

689
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: that's not inaccurate. And if and I would be willing

690
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Speaker 1: to and I still am willing to accept that, except

691
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: for it is Chris Ballard, not me, not you, not Eddie.

692
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: It is Chris Ballard who is on record of saying

693
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Speaker 1: in the past that football is about more than just

694
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Speaker 1: one player or one position, and you have to build

695
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Speaker 1: a roster that is not quarterback reliant. Right, So if

696
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: that's the that's the case that you can't say, here's

697
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Speaker 1: my best building job and guess what it was, quarterback reliant.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's pretty clear that once they got

699
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Speaker 4: the quarterback thing right, and I'm not convinced that they

700
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Speaker 4: have as of yet, they were seven to one, eight

701
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Speaker 4: and two. You know, he said that stuff about the

702
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Speaker 4: quarterback back when Andrew Luck was here. It's easy to

703
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 4: say that it's not all about the quarterback when you

704
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: have a guy like the Luck, a generational talent. But clearly,

705
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: you know, you look at the teams in the in

706
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 4: the playoffs, all of them have you know, terrific starting quarterbacks.

707
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I you know, he's he's in a weird position.

708
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: I think he knows that he's very very fortunate to

709
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Speaker 4: still have a job.

710
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Speaker 1: Do you believe, Bob? Now, this is what I love, Bob,

711
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: you and I and maybe we should do it more

712
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: on air instead of off air, Like we get into

713
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: some deep not conspiracy conversations, but you and I get

714
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: into some deep, left field conversations. Right If the situation

715
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Speaker 1: was the exact same, and carl urse Gordon was five

716
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Speaker 1: years into this and I know that she's been around

717
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: it for a long time, I get that. But there

718
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: are a lot of things that go into the ascension

719
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Speaker 1: to the top of the boardroom because of the sad

720
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: and unfortunate passing of your father. But I'm talking about

721
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: things like the business aspect of the state tax, the

722
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: sale of things, getting all ducks in a row from that,

723
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Speaker 1: I mean, I can only imagine the intricacies of that.

724
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: And the one area that can be kind of clean

725
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: or have continuity to it would be the football operations

726
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: in that first year. If this was year five of

727
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: her ownership and her having navigated through all of the

728
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: non football stuff, do you believe she makes the same decision.

729
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Speaker 4: Probably not. I think it's reasonable to suspect that Carly

730
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: and the sisters would did not really look forward to

731
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Speaker 4: doing a GM and coach search after their first year

732
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Speaker 4: in charge. I think that's a question that you know,

733
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Speaker 4: I mean, nobody's going to answer that. Obviously you heard

734
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Speaker 4: Carly's press conference the other day. But you know, I'm

735
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: not so sure about the estate taxes and all the

736
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Speaker 4: other stuff and selling the Lake Max, Entucky mansion has

737
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Speaker 4: anything to do with it. I just think that, you know,

738
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Speaker 4: they'd like to be a little more established before they

739
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Speaker 4: undergo a coach and GM.

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Speaker 1: Search, which I think is understandable, right, I mean, I mean,

741
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Speaker 1: and for that matter, I think if she would have

742
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Speaker 1: come out and said, listen, fans, I know this is

743
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Speaker 1: going to be opposite of what you want to hear,

744
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna have to ask for your patients because

745
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: right now I just need to have a little bit

746
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Speaker 1: of continuity while I continue to assess. I think a

747
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: lot of people would have said, I get it right.

748
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but you're not going to see You're not

749
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 4: going to hear that. I mean, they're not gonna they're

750
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Speaker 4: not gonna say anything close to that. But I agree,

751
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: I agree with you, and I do think that that

752
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: you know, after just one year in charge, you know

753
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 4: you want continuity. You want familiarity, and so I you know,

754
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: I think she took kind of the easy way out.

755
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: I realize it's the hard way out when you look

756
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: at the fan anger, but I just don't think they

757
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 4: were really emotionally prepared to do a whole new GM

758
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 4: search and a coaching search, and you know, and you

759
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 4: can it's hard to argue that Balor deserves another chance.

760
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: I certainly can't. I wrote after a week sixteen or

761
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Speaker 4: seventeen that they need to blow up and start over.

762
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Speaker 4: But I understand where Carley is coming from.

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Speaker 1: Okay, allow this question, then, Bob, Okay, is there a

764
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Speaker 1: chance did carl Ersay Gordon went with the status quo

765
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Speaker 1: for right now because he's got a year left on

766
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Speaker 1: his contract anyway, and because she also is aware of

767
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Speaker 1: the fact that with no definitive starting quarterback coming back

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Speaker 1: next year, that is going to be no own to

769
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Speaker 1: be healthy in Week one, with no pass rush and

770
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Speaker 1: no first round pick the next two years, that she

771
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Speaker 1: looked at it and went, this probably is the best

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe, so you look at how many openings there

774
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Speaker 4: are in the league. She would have been competing with

775
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: a lot of teams for the top talent, both as

776
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Speaker 4: GM and coach. You know, I don't think finances had

777
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Speaker 4: a lot to do with it. You know, Ballarts only

778
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 4: got one year. I believe Steichen's got two years left.

779
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: You know, we're going to find out at the end

780
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: of next year if they're not successful, whether they are

781
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 4: joined at the hip or not. I would suspect not

782
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 4: or suspect they are. I think this is a playoffs

783
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: your bust year for both of them. But yeah, I

784
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: think that's where it stands right now.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'll be honest. I do like Steichen. I

786
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: don't dislike Chris Ballad. People think I dislike Chris bald

787
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't know Chris Ballard, right I just I feel

788
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: like the Ballard tenure has hit its ceiling and there

789
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: is not enough body of work evidence to indicate that

790
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: that is going to change. That's all I would say there. Steiken,

791
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: I feel like has kind of grown into, especially if

792
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is healthy, a quarterback or excuse me, a

793
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: coach that with the relationship he has with his quarterback,

794
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: has learned on the job and made some errors, but

795
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Speaker 1: I have confidence that he will continue to grow. I

796
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: think Steiken offers a fairly promising future. What say you, Yeah,

797
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: I think we.

798
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Speaker 4: Started to see the best of Shane steike In this year,

799
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Speaker 4: especially in terms of the way he worked so closely

800
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: and so well with Daniel Jones. I think it's easier

801
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 4: to justify bringing back stich In than it is bringing

802
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 4: back Ballard. To be perfectly honest with you, don't think

803
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 4: we've seen I mean, three years is a long time

804
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 4: the National Football League, and you see how quickly other

805
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 4: teams have torn down and rebuilt, and you know, I

806
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: mean it doesn't I mean it's everybody knows that the

807
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 4: Colts haven't made the playoffs in nine years, and every

808
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 4: other team in the AFC South has won it at

809
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: least twice. That just can't continue. I think Steichen has

810
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 4: a chance to be the right guy. I don't think

811
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Speaker 4: he's a terribly good communicator. I don't know yet whether

812
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 4: he's a leader of men. I don't know if he

813
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: can finish the way they need to finish. But I

814
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: think he's due the opportunity to try.

815
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Speaker 1: Bob, what did you think before we get to Indiana football?

816
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Speaker 1: What did you overall think of the two press conferences?

817
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: Was there anything you took away from it that surprised

818
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: you in terms of thought process or either disappointed or

819
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Speaker 1: encouraged you.

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Speaker 4: Well, I thought, Carly, you know, God bless her. She's trying,

821
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Speaker 4: you know, and I think I think she's very, very

822
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Speaker 4: sharp and has you know, dived headfirst into this uh,

823
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: into this organization, and done all the right things. But

824
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Speaker 4: you know, she is not like your dad, and we

825
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 4: can't expect him to be like your dad. And you know,

826
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Speaker 4: speaking publicly and answering reporters questions is not what she's

827
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 4: you know, born to do. I thought it was a

828
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Speaker 4: little clunky, you know, at the same time, you know,

829
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Speaker 4: like I say, I give her grace on that ballad

830
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: was exactly as I expected. I could have answered those

831
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 4: questions for him, you know, just write the column and

832
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, you.

833
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Could have just pulled up your files from last year, right.

834
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Speaker 4: From last year, the year before, the year before. That's

835
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Speaker 4: what I was saying going into this. I was like,

836
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Speaker 4: why the hell can he possibly say that he hasn't

837
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 4: already said. I was glad to hear him say they

838
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 4: need to get faster and younger at the linebacker spot.

839
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Speaker 1: Hey, that was a good Bob let's get into that.

840
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: But because a couple of things jumped out right there

841
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: with me, that would lead you to believe that what

842
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: player might want to be calling Biff.

843
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: Ward both both zaire Andermaine Pratt. Yeah both, Yeah. I

844
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: don't think either one of them covered himself in glory.

845
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: You know, Zayre had a lot of a lot of tackles,

846
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 4: but in coverage it's not so good. Not so good.

847
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 4: So you know, you saw how teams shoot up the

848
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 4: Colts in the middle of the field. Tight ends have

849
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 4: historically had banner days against the Colts. You remember when

850
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 4: McCaffrey did the McCaffrey does that to a lot of people,

851
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: but he was running free all day during that game.

852
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: So I think they're going to change the linebackers. I

853
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 4: think they're going to try and sign an edge rusher.

854
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 4: I still I know Trey Hendrickson's getting up there in years,

855
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 4: but for a year or two, hell, I give it

856
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: a shot. You know, he seems to be bullish un

857
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: law too. He thinks he has a chance that he's ascending,

858
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 4: as it were, but boy could he pay. Has just

859
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: been a disappointment on the other on the other end.

860
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is, you know, he he commented

861
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: that they need to get better in their front four

862
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: and then their rush and I'm thinking, but that's been

863
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: the area that he has. It almost has come at

864
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: the cost of other areas of the team because you

865
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: keep investing in that, right, I mean, that's the frustrating

866
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: thing about it. And then Moodey Ward, you know, I

867
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: think it's all been everything, but they put a billboard

868
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: up to let us know that Mooney Ward may call

869
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: it a career. And if that's the case, Bob, as

870
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: I keep saying, I hope everybody understands that that's the

871
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: best situation for the health of that young man. And

872
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: you simply pat him on the back and say, hey man,

873
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: great career and thanks for giving it a go.

874
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I talked. Oh, a bunch of us talked to

875
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: Tarvarius the other day, and he certainly sounded like a

876
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 4: guy who is going to come back, but one more

877
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: concussion and he's out. That was the impression that I

878
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 4: got from talking with him. You know, he said he

879
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: was going to talk with his family. I guess one

880
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: of his parents, maybe his father, told him he probably

881
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 4: should give it up, hang it up. But that's that's

882
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: so hard for a player to do. How old is

883
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: he twenty eight or something?

884
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: I know. I mean he's made a lot of money,

885
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: he got a big contract.

886
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: But yes, that's what he said. He said, I got

887
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: generational wealth. I got everything I need out of the game.

888
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: I've been a pro bowler, haven't won a Super Bowl.

889
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 4: But you know, thinks he's got a possibility. I think

890
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 4: he's going to come back to DeForest. Is definitely going

891
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: to come back. He announced that on Instagram, which tells

892
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 4: me I really need to get an Instagram account. That's right, Yeah,

893
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: and yeah, I think Moody's going to come back for

894
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: a year, but you know, or maybe longer. But I

895
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 4: think it all depends on whether he can stay healthy.

896
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: By the way, I can tell you that if you

897
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: click on the wrong thing on Instagram, once the algorithm

898
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: picks it up and then all of a sudden, you're

899
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: entertained for hours. You just don't want other people necessarily

900
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: seeing what's going on, you know what I mean?

901
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I said, I actually set one up about

902
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, one hundred years ago when I was

903
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 4: at w t HR or something, and I think I

904
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 4: posted once.

905
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know how it works. Did you post

906
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: your legs on the beach taking time off R and

907
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: R back next week?

908
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: Okay, I think it was actually a I think it

909
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 4: was actually a picture of a cold glass of beer.

910
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, where I was on a layover. Hell yeah,

911
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 4: between Miami and Indianapolis.

912
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: In that case, you've got to use the airport codes

913
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: if you really want to be authentic. Am I a arrow?

914
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: I n D? You know that kind of thing? Right? Hey?

915
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: Speaking up? My Indiana is one win from there. If

916
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: they are to beat Oregon, they would be playing for

917
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: the national championship against either the Miami Hurricanes or Ole.

918
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: Miss your overall thoughts, Bob on this, and we're past

919
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: the point now it's like Norman Dale to Hoosiers. We're

920
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: past the big speech point. But so we're past the

921
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: point of talking about just how unbelievably incredible this is.

922
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you a non Indiana Oregon question. Okay, okay,

923
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: has this run finally put the kapper on? And I'm

924
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: not saying killing the program, but has it finally awakened

925
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: the Indiana fan base that it is a school that

926
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: does not carry the same basketball cachet it once did.

927
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 4: Well, I think there's hope with Darren Devrees. You know,

928
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 4: are you asking me is it a football school now?

929
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, I realize this is a

930
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: short lived, so far phenomenon, but I mean they had

931
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: a home game against Washington that might have had nine

932
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: thousand people there this week.

933
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: I do think this. If you gave who's your fans

934
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: a choice of a national title in basketball and a

935
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 4: national title in football, I think I think they would

936
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 4: They would take basketball just because it's of courses, it's

937
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 4: our lifeblood in this state. I think, what do you think?

938
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Here's the thing. If you were

939
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: to ask them right now, I think they would.

940
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: Say now, say football, Well, I mean.

941
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Two wins away if you said, okay, they can get

942
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: this done right now. But I'm saying in a vacuum,

943
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: like if you ask people in another if they don't

944
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: win it, okay, let's say Oregon beats them or Miami

945
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: beats them, and you ask them in three months. I think,

946
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: with truth serum, a lot would still say basketball, basketball,

947
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: because they're a little embarrassed that that banner up there.

948
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: It's the reality is now starting to kick into people

949
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: of like wait a minute. That most recent banner is

950
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: almost as old as the nineteen forty banner was when

951
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: it was one like, that's we get that's uncomfortable to

952
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: me and so and I also think there's the mentality

953
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: of well, football, we're going to get one here in

954
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: the next five years anyway, so I don't need to

955
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: wish for that. It's just going to happen.

956
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: Right, nineteen eighty seven, I remember that year. I could

957
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: still see my toes. Oh, you'd be proud of.

958
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Me and an Instagram photo.

959
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd be proud of me. Though I'm a Lifetime

960
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 4: Fitness working out. I've lost thirteen pounds. I know we're

961
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 4: going off and in tangent here. No, you'd be proud

962
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: of me because I know, I know times my spot

963
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 4: are concerned. You are concerned about my health.

964
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: Well, Lifetime is my spot and I'm happy to hear that.

965
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: And you've lost thirteen pounds, that's cool.

966
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a start. It's a chair off the.

967
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: Titanic, you know what. Hey, you take that. By the way,

968
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said deck chair. I got concerned their

969
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: first plit second, No, you got to take what you

970
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: can get. Do They Okay, does here's the thing as

971
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: you have turned things around now, Bob, and I'm happy

972
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: to hear that, honestly. I mean, you know that's where

973
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: you and I really first met was at Lifetime Fitness,

974
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: uh and our and our mutual heart issues. Does Indiana

975
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: get this done?

976
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think they're gonna win the whole thing, Jake,

977
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 4: I really do. I think with Ohio State out of

978
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 4: the way, Georgia out of.

979
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: The way, those are the two I was worried about.

980
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are the two that I thought could beat Indiana.

981
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 4: Obviously they beat Ohio State, and if Oregon is gonna win,

982
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to play a damn near perfect game

983
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 4: because I know one thing in my soul is that

984
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 4: Indiana is not going to make mistakes. Indiana is not

985
00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: going to beat itself with turnovers, with penalties, with missed assignments.

986
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: It's not going to happen, because it hasn't happened all year.

987
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I was shocked. I think it was the

988
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 4: old Dominion game where they had a couple of bad

989
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 4: run fits and they had a couple of long runs,

990
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 4: and I think that made Sig absolutely crazy. But no,

991
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 4: I think they're going to get it done. I really do.

992
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 4: I think. I think it's a field goal game tomorrow,

993
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 4: and I think they'll get the best of I think

994
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 4: Miami is going to win that game tonight. So I

995
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: think I you Miami, and I think they win.

996
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: Listen, Miami's defense is legit, right, I mean Miami's defense

997
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: so dynasty, no, I know, no, no question, I mean

998
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: no question. I think I think Indiana and Miami would

999
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: be a fascinating matchup because it's defense defense. The two

1000
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: front fours looked like the Spider Man gift, right, and

1001
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: then you go advantage Indiana because even though you know

1002
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: Beck's a great quarterback, but I do like I like

1003
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: the versatility better of Indiana's offense.

1004
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, that you know, when I look big games, I

1005
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 4: just asked a simple question, who's got the better quarterback?

1006
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 4: And Carson Beck is a nice, nice quarterback, nice player.

1007
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 4: But Fernando is playing at a whole different level right now.

1008
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: So I think, and we've seen him in the clutch

1009
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: and you know, whatever you think of it, he's got

1010
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 4: the clutch gene. So I think they're gonna They're gonna

1011
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 4: win on a late field goal. Fernando's gonna lead him

1012
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: down the field, and uh, I think they play Miami

1013
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 4: for the national championship.

1014
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: All right, Bob, we will be reading about all of

1015
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: it in your columns Bob Kravitz dot Com, where you

1016
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: can see that. You will soon find him apparently on Instagram,

1017
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: and then you two can see his toes. So we

1018
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: look forward to love.

1019
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 4: And lifetime and lifetime fitness.

1020
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: And lifetime fitness. That's right. I will see you there, Bob.

1021
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time has always had. Can we still

1022
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: say Happy New Year? What's the grace period on Happy

1023
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: New Year? Is it a week?

1024
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 4: Or is it it's January seventh? What's today?

1025
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: I think it's the eighth, isn't it. I've always thought

1026
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: this or what about this? Or the first time that

1027
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: you see the person in January?

1028
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 4: No, January seventh is hard and fast. That that's some

1029
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 4: Fribier enthusiasm, all right? That yeah, I think he's got

1030
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 4: that right. January seventh cut off date.

1031
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm a day late and a dollar short.

1032
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: What do you know? All right, we'll see you, Bob.

1033
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: Bob Kravitz joining Java House peeling poor guest line