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Speaker 1: Fires down here sideline shoshdown to the end.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday, Anthony Richardson keeps it off.

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Speaker 1: Bang inside the twenties said.

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Speaker 3: He's good turn five touchdown? Why intercepted by the Colts Si.

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Speaker 4: Brank What has it?

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Speaker 5: Live from the NFL Combine in downtown Indianapolis. You're listening

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Speaker 5: to the Fan Morning Show here at Kevin Bowen, James

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 6: I hope you're Wednesdays off to a terrific start. We

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Speaker 6: have a ton of things to talk about today. James Boyd,

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Speaker 6: Kevin Bowen, producer, CAM producer.

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Speaker 3: Mark back at the station. We are good to go today.

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Speaker 6: We'll tell you all about those guys a little bit

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Speaker 6: later on. But where do we even start, Kevin. Just

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Speaker 6: a whirlwind flurry of things happening yesterday. Shane Steiken speaks,

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Speaker 6: Chris Ballard speaks to the general media. But we had

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Speaker 6: reaction from the NBA to Rick Carlisle, and Rick Carlile

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Speaker 6: relaxed to the NBA. It reacts to the NBA. I

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Speaker 6: think you would put out on your Twitter feed yesterday

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Speaker 6: after the show, and I think you did too, James.

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Speaker 6: Rick Carlisle talking about how the Pacers were less than

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Speaker 6: satisfied with the investigation that the NBA did into to

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Speaker 6: their behaviors, if you want to call it that, their

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Speaker 6: treatment of injuries when they were fined one hundred thousand

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Speaker 6: later on the NBA reacts to that, Carlisle comes back

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Speaker 6: at them, What a crazy day on social media for

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, it was certainly not what I was

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Speaker 7: So for those that missedid I think we'll probably play

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Speaker 7: that back here in the seven o'clock hour, his extremely

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Speaker 7: candid comments and definitely opening up about one hundred thousand

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Speaker 7: a little back and forth throughout the day yesterday. Certainly

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Speaker 7: plenty of Colts items to get to. And if you're

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Speaker 7: probably glad that we'll talk about that and not what

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Speaker 7: happened last night down there.

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Speaker 3: That was a rough second half.

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Speaker 6: They just kept missing shot after shot after shot, and

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Speaker 6: Northwestern kept making shots. The next thing, you know, Northwestern

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Speaker 6: but that does not help their chances of getting into

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Speaker 8: Definitely doesn't help. And I get it, and we'll get

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Speaker 8: that Eyeu blew the lead. I get that they should

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Speaker 8: that call missing the foul when Tucker de Reevez goes

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Speaker 8: that was an egregious miss. And I get that some

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Speaker 8: I mean, that was egregious and I get it, like

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Speaker 8: and I hate that you can actively look back at

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Speaker 3: It was affected by the referees, But I thought the.

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Speaker 6: Bigger effect was Nick Martinellie, Like I didn't feel like

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Speaker 6: that's what it felt like, didn't it, Kevin, If you're

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And honestly, it kind of summed up It probably

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Speaker 7: and the annual tradition of debating the Indiana men's basketball

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Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely to give you a little behind the curtain

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we got to reach out to the league to

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Speaker 6: That doesn't surprise me at all watching how the NBA

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Speaker 7: And I greatly appreciate you guys being friends and not

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Speaker 7: Coach almost died, you see him, coast.

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Speaker 9: See it dominate and not? I'm an aiden.

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Speaker 6: That was Shrewsbury last, But Shrewsbury leans on the one

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Speaker 7: That they do have eight scholarship players the last you.

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Speaker 3: All right, So James, we got out of here at

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm thinking I cannot wait to go home

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Speaker 8: We need to investigate Caleb Zubers and our one of

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Speaker 9: That's I saw at any email yesterday. Marks out again.

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Speaker 8: I'm just starting to judge the fandom a little bit,

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Speaker 8: I will go with the fact that Javeriusward is it

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Speaker 8: But the other one that I might even argue might

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Speaker 8: it's still to me tied to his eye and how

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Speaker 6: And yesterday, at the very end of the day, both

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Speaker 3: Did we learn much Kevin Bowen from either guy?

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Speaker 8: He told us he could do it at eight, and

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Speaker 9: Wake up.

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Speaker 6: What's the one thing you really want to drive into

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Speaker 9: We need some out there.

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Speaker 7: Mark at one point, Yeah, didn't we have the Goodell

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Speaker 3: Then it caught fire.

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Speaker 3: And Honestly, it's not just the fun.

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Speaker 7: I mean there's a lot of humiliation that I think

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Speaker 6: Not to be lost in all this, though, Micah Potter

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, hey, a game did happen last night?

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Speaker 8: It was so crazy that basically everything to happen here

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Speaker 8: So the Pacers lose their fourth straight. I believe they

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Speaker 3: All right, on to college basketball.

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Speaker 6: Last night, Indiana needing a win at home over Northwestern,

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Speaker 7: But the basketball gods from the Wisconsin game now going

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Speaker 8: stay on my side. You know, you know you can

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Speaker 8: bless others will bless me.

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Speaker 7: First, boy, I thought to myself, Ryan carrs got a

442
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Speaker 7: lot of work to do when I was watching that

443
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Speaker 7: unfold statement last night. So you know, in the short term,

444
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Speaker 7: if you want to focus on the resume for this year,

445
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Speaker 7: it is an ugly stain on a resume that lacks

446
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Speaker 7: good wins. You know, they've had all these opportunities when

447
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Speaker 7: you're in the Big ten, you get all these Quad

448
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Speaker 7: one opportunities, you're two to ten in those, and now

449
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Speaker 7: you have a home Quad three loss. So any sort

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Speaker 7: of bracketology that gets updated here in the next few days,

451
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Speaker 7: you will have Indiana squarely on the bubble, if not

452
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Speaker 7: out of the tournament.

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Speaker 8: Just for Evan Cherrell, shout out to the ball State

454
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Speaker 8: Cardinals getting a doub over UMass one point victory. Evan

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Speaker 8: the ever great smelling Evan Pluster trut appreciate your brother.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a huge comeback I saw there. Michael Lewis,

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Speaker 7: I know it's been a tough season. I believe Armani Ziegler.

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Speaker 7: I think it's who had the game winner there in

459
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Speaker 7: over time, may have Ohio. Speaking of the mac they

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Speaker 7: also won last night, so they are approaching an undefeated

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Speaker 7: regular season. Three games left, they would be crazy. I

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Speaker 7: think I saw the seventh team since the tournament expanded

463
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Speaker 7: to have an undefeated regular season.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk acc basketball. James.

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Speaker 6: Last night Duke playing on the road against fifty six.

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Speaker 6: Did I read this is the worst Notre Dame loss

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Speaker 6: in home basketball history or period history?

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Speaker 7: I believe home basketball history a Cameron Boozer. What he

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Speaker 7: did to Notre Dame last night should be illegal in

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Speaker 7: all fifty states.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 6: He was allowed to leave with the rest of the team,

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Speaker 6: though nobody arrested him or stopped him at the gates

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Speaker 6: on the way out.

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Speaker 7: You know, I knew it was a trying time for

476
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Speaker 7: Notre Dame when they're down to eight scholarship players with

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Speaker 7: their health situation, and one of them announced on Monday

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Speaker 7: that he was pursuing an NFL career. And yes, you

479
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Speaker 7: heard that right, one of their basketball players, who is

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Speaker 7: one of the worst free throw shooters I've seen in

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Speaker 7: the history of basketball.

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Speaker 3: He tried to bank in every free throw.

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Speaker 7: Shout out to Carson tout he is signed an NFL.

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Speaker 7: I guess with an agent to pursue an NFL career.

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Speaker 9: Saying I'm trying to get all love Island man.

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Speaker 11: Ah.

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Speaker 7: Horrific last night, just utterly awful. I was so pissed.

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Speaker 7: I'm so pissed.

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Speaker 6: I will tell you that you were talking about Cameron

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Speaker 6: boo was your potential number one overall pick twenty three

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Speaker 6: and thirteen and only twenty four minutes, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they finally just had to sit him down to

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Speaker 3: his skill.

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Speaker 7: I will say this. I mean, Notre Dame is depleted

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Speaker 7: in the front court right now, so I don't want

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Speaker 7: to make too much of what he did around the rim,

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Speaker 7: but his ability to stretch the floor in such a

498
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Speaker 7: smooth and casual way is so underrated. James I have

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Speaker 7: done a poor job. He looks like he is so just.

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Speaker 7: He's just a smooth, rock solid basketball player. And I

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Speaker 7: know that doesn't sound sexy, and he's not going to

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Speaker 7: be the high flyer and he's maybe not gonna whatever

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Speaker 7: pull up from the volleyball line, but that dude is

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Speaker 7: just I think he could walk into an NBA game

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Speaker 7: right now and have a very consistent impact for legit teams.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know about too many top five picks

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Speaker 7: that you even say that about. You know, sometimes for

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Speaker 7: a lot of these guys, it takes time, and he

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Speaker 7: is mature beyond his whatever.

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Speaker 3: He is eighteen years old.

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Speaker 8: Nineteen years old, absolutely and just real quick, I would

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Speaker 8: say that everything about him is about Okay, canny, does

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Speaker 8: he have to ceiling to be an NBA franchise player,

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Speaker 8: But if we're talking about right now today, he is

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Speaker 8: the National Player of the Year, which is a crazy

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Speaker 8: statement to make, considering how great this freshman class has been,

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Speaker 8: how great some of these other older players have been.

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Speaker 8: But he's the best player in college basketball, and I

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Speaker 8: don't think it's like that debatable at this point.

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Speaker 6: Also, head coach Micah Shrewsbury gets hurt during the game.

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Speaker 6: I don't even know when or how it happened, but

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Speaker 6: he had to lean on somebody to leave the arena

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Speaker 6: at one point in time.

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Speaker 3: What's going on? Do we know?

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Speaker 7: Gosh, just think about what you just said out loud.

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Speaker 3: Is that kind of the Notre Dame season in a nutshell?

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Speaker 9: Sounds like me and KB leaving a slippery noodle.

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Speaker 7: On free I mean literally, it sounds like some of

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Speaker 7: these people are gonna stumble in here to the old

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Speaker 7: combine here.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe a torn achilles.

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Speaker 3: Ah. That's awful.

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Speaker 7: Late late first half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was. It summed up the Notre

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Speaker 3: Dame season quite accurately.

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Speaker 6: All right, boys, heich CoA basketball last night. Number one

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Speaker 6: Fishers in four A finished their regular season with a

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Speaker 6: perfect record in eighty two fifty two win over North

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Speaker 6: Central Hamilton Southeastern got past Lawrence North. Is that a

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Speaker 6: little bit of an upset seventy six to seventy James, I.

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Speaker 9: Will probably say so, but yeah, I think hsc's been

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Speaker 9: playing good basketball.

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Speaker 3: Seven in a row, I think yeah.

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Speaker 6: And Mount Vernon used twenty six from Luke Irdle to

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Speaker 6: uh get a one over Westfield sixty three fifty five.

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Speaker 6: Those are some of the bigger games last night in

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Speaker 6: boys high school basketball. So anything else you guys want

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Speaker 6: to throw in on a what was a busy, crazy

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Speaker 6: day in sports yesterday.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, our airway tonight right for Butler.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that'll be on a little bit later on today.

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Speaker 7: Butler at Villanova nine and a half point underdog tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that model joined.

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Speaker 6: John will be broadcasting from Hinkle Fieldhouse before the game too,

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Speaker 6: So we got that go.

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Speaker 3: Really is it again?

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Speaker 6: It is such a next week that's next on the

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Speaker 6: road next Wednesday. Yes, there on the road this week

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Speaker 6: next Wednesday. There at all I was gonna say, I was,

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Speaker 6: I was looking forward to to March, already getting the

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Speaker 6: tournament going.

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Speaker 7: Man John is in Philadelphia. I was like, Dan, this

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Speaker 7: man's been traveling.

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Speaker 6: They got Villanova tonight. They'll be at home next Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: If if you'd be the last home game next year.

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Speaker 8: If you let him do a show from the empty

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Speaker 8: Hinkle field House, he'd be getting shots up there.

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Speaker 7: He'd be on Hickory, just like I was yesterday.

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Speaker 3: He likes being out of the studio so much.

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Speaker 6: If I told him he was going to do an

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Speaker 6: empty field house to do a room, he'd be like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm good, he will.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 6: Man, wake him up early in the morning. But that's

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Speaker 6: next Wednesday. You'll be out at hinklefield House. All right,

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Speaker 6: that's what's happening in the world of sports. We'll talk

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Speaker 6: more about the Pacers, Rick Carlisle and the NBA coming up.

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Speaker 5: Live from the NFL Combine in downtown Indianapolis. You're listening

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Speaker 5: to the fan Morning show.

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Speaker 6: Lots of football to get to, of course, throughout the

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Speaker 6: day here as the National Football League and all who

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Speaker 6: cover it and many general managers and many head coaches

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Speaker 6: and all kinds of media folks converge on downtown to

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Speaker 6: Indianapolis as they do every year to start getting ready

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Speaker 6: for the brand new year of the NFL, with free

587
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Speaker 6: agency getting ready to start, and declarations on franchise tags

588
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Speaker 6: having to be made and all those kinds of things

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Speaker 6: getting ready for the draft coming up in April, but

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Speaker 6: we will start this morning if you're just joining us

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Speaker 6: by talking about the Indiana Pacers. And yesterday in the

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Speaker 6: in the nine o'clock hour, Rick Carlisle came on and

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Speaker 6: as he does every week, was talking to us, hearing

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Speaker 6: the fan talking to you guys, and he kind of

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Speaker 6: clapped back against the NBA and it's investigation in the

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Speaker 6: run up to their one hundred thousand dollars fine from

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Speaker 6: the league for lack of a better word, tanking. Clap

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Speaker 6: back pretty hard, so much so you posted it on

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Speaker 6: social media. It kind of went viral, certainly within NBA

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Speaker 6: media circles, so much so that the NBA, Kevin decided

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Speaker 6: they had to put out a response yesterday in the afternoon.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and and James, maybe we'll play the clip and

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Speaker 7: then go ahead and share the NBA statement. We kind

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Speaker 7: of play off of it like that. But again, just

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Speaker 7: to set everything up from yesterday with Rick Carlisle, we

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Speaker 7: had him on as we always do, and you know, James,

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Speaker 7: this is what we're about. Two weeks removed, I guess

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Speaker 7: from the fine, and this is our first conversation with

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Speaker 7: Rick since that. Because the Nball Star Break, we didn't

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Speaker 7: have him on last week, and you know, he had

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Speaker 7: released I would say, just kind of a relatively bland statement. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: you know, not mine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mild is a good way to put it.

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Speaker 7: And I was just kind of curious if two weeks later,

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Speaker 7: if anything, you know, whatever, had simmered a little bit more,

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Speaker 7: or if he was ready to, you know, maybe open

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Speaker 7: up a little bit, and clearly he was. So this

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Speaker 7: is where Carlisle with us yesterday about the one hundred

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Speaker 7: thousand dollars fine for the Pacers.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I you know, I put out a statement about it.

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Speaker 10: I didn't I didn't agree with it.

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Speaker 11: It was there was a there was a league lawyer

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Speaker 11: that was doing the interview that kind of unilaterally decided

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Speaker 11: that Aaron need Smith, who had been injured the night

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Speaker 11: before and couldn't hold the ball, should have played in

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Speaker 11: the game, which just seems ridiculous. And during the interview process, I.

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Speaker 10: Was not on it, but I but I heard details.

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Speaker 11: We asked them if they wanted to talk to the doctors,

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Speaker 11: our doctors about it, because it's something that was documented

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Speaker 11: by our draw doctors and trainers.

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Speaker 10: Uh. They said no, they didn't need to.

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Speaker 11: They talked to their doctors who did not examine Aarony Smith,

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Speaker 11: and we asked them if they wanted to talk to

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Speaker 11: the kid, and they said no, they didn't need to.

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Speaker 11: So this was this was shocking. This was shocking to me.

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Speaker 10: And uh and during the interview.

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Speaker 11: They also asked if we considered dedicating him to play

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Speaker 11: in a game when we were thirty games under five hundred.

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Speaker 11: So I was I was very surprised, you know, obviously

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Speaker 11: didn't agree with it. This is really the first time

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Speaker 11: I've gone into any detail about it.

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Speaker 10: But that was that was the deal. And so yeah,

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Speaker 10: that was it.

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 6: You posted that, and that's when that's when the fight started,

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Speaker 6: so to speak.

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Speaker 3: Kevin.

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Speaker 6: People started spreading it around and then before you know it,

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Speaker 6: the NBA issued a statement.

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Speaker 3: James Boyd.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we had to reach out to them for comment,

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Speaker 8: and here's what they said, probably about I would say,

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Speaker 8: maybe two or three hours after our show had ended,

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Speaker 8: early afternoon, and it says coach Carlisle's description of the

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Speaker 8: process that went into the decision to find the Indiana

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Speaker 8: Pacers is inaccurate. An independent position led the medical review.

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Speaker 8: In addition, the Pacers general manager and the team senior

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Speaker 8: vice presidents of sports Medicine and Performance were interviewed as

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Speaker 8: part of the process. The Pacers confirmed that it had

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Speaker 8: provided all of the information requested by the league, and

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Speaker 8: the team reported that an interview with coach Carlaw or

662
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Speaker 8: a team.

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Speaker 9: Position wasn't necessary.

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Speaker 8: That last part, an interview with coach Carla or a

665
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Speaker 8: team physician wasn't necessary. The team confirmed it, like, what

666
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 8: does that even mean? So you're basically telling us, Okay, well,

667
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 8: we disagree with how Rick Carlo went about explaining the process,

668
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 8: but ultimately, when he says no one talked to us

669
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Speaker 8: like directly or no one checked with us directly, that

670
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Speaker 8: is what happened. And so to me it sounded like, well,

671
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 8: these are our rules, you violated them. But then I

672
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 8: remember reading this bag and feel free to weigh in

673
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 8: you all is like, these rules sound very dumb and

674
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Speaker 8: they don't make a lot of sense to me, especially

675
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Speaker 8: when we're dealing with medical or you know, physical issues

676
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 8: that could hinder a guy from playing.

677
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, first off, the whole saying that you could medicate

678
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 7: him to play, I think it's one of the wilder

679
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 7: statements I've ever heard. And the fact that that NBA

680
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 7: statement does not debunk Rick's original comments is quite quite alarming.

681
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 7: Can you imagine James Boyd, let's shift it to the

682
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 7: other team here as we are alive at the combine.

683
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 7: Can you imagine if Roger Goodell and his team said

684
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 7: to the Colts in Schivarius Ward, hey man, here's some advil,

685
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 7: go play with your concussion, like you know, if you

686
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 7: want to put it into those sorts of terms. And

687
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 7: that's where Rick came back, and he didn't expand on

688
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 7: it a ton last night before the game, but he

689
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Speaker 7: had one more comment about just the need to stress

690
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 7: player health, and he felt like it was a need

691
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Speaker 7: to defend Aaron E. Smith is kind of where the

692
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Speaker 7: root of why he shared all that with us yesterday.

693
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Speaker 7: And you know, Aaron has battled a variety of injuries,

694
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Speaker 7: and I think anybody that watches Aaron E. Smith play basketball,

695
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 7: the last thing you're gonna do is question that man's

696
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 7: toughness or his desire to play the game.

697
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Speaker 3: So I was.

698
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Speaker 7: I was stunned in a way that that was how

699
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Speaker 7: it all played out. But then there was a part

700
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 7: of me It's like I'm not too stunned because I

701
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 7: think there's a ton of gray area with this, and

702
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 7: you know, I've called it selective punishment quite often, and

703
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 7: I think it was a panic to punish without the

704
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Speaker 7: proper evidence. I think they had you Tall kind of

705
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 7: sitting there as a second offender, if you will. Yeah,

706
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 7: And I think they felt the need to throw another

707
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 7: team into the mix, and they decided to on the

708
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 7: second night of a back to back, which I think

709
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 7: we got to point out as well, third game in

710
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 7: four nights, that is when this was you know, hit

711
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 7: on there.

712
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Speaker 8: So like, I get that the example you use, obviously

713
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 8: with savaria'sward is a different it concussion all that, and

714
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 8: aaron Ne Smith had like a left hand strain. But

715
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 8: I feel like we should have a common sense rule

716
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 8: where they played three games in four nights, the guy's

717
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 8: hand might not be where it needs to be. Into

718
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 8: Carlisle's point, and I think some of the detractors who

719
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 8: are like, well he said they were thirty.

720
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Speaker 9: Games to the five hundred, just the whole point.

721
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Speaker 8: That is the whole point, like why would you risk

722
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Speaker 8: a player even if it isn't a severe injury, Why

723
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Speaker 8: would you risk them playing when there's nothing of a

724
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 8: big picture standpoint to play for? And then this is

725
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Speaker 8: where I went on a rabbit hole. So when you

726
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 8: look at the player Participation Policy, which I'm sure all

727
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 8: of you had a great time looking at it alongside

728
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 8: me and my nerdy self. So there's two like stipulations,

729
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 8: and but basically when you're reading it, a lot of

730
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 8: it applies to star players. And in the NBA they

731
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Speaker 8: deem star players as those who've made an All Star

732
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Speaker 8: Team or now All NBA team within the last three

733
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Speaker 8: years plus the season you're in, Like, if you make

734
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 8: the All Star team this year, you're a star. And

735
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 8: so I'm reading it and I'm like, okay, well, why

736
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Speaker 8: does this even apply to Aaron Eiesmiths? Like why is

737
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 8: he even a part of this equation?

738
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Speaker 9: I get this.

739
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 8: Siakam initially was mentioned, but they mentioned indirectly other two starters,

740
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Speaker 8: So I'm like, why is that even a thing? So

741
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 8: I did some digging around and shout Tony East, my

742
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 8: brother from another covering the pacers as well, does a

743
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 8: great job.

744
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 9: I called him. I'm like, yo, am I reading this correctly.

745
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 8: And as we're going through it, there is a tiny

746
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 8: clause in like the penalization section that basically says, okay,

747
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Speaker 8: when we get past all the star player participation points,

748
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Speaker 8: and we talk about, you know, reviewing medical records and

749
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Speaker 8: whether or not they can play. There is a clause

750
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Speaker 8: in there that says, aside from a team star players,

751
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Speaker 8: if there is another player who quote does not participate

752
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 8: in a game and circumstances that are, in the opinion

753
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 8: of the commissioner prejudicial or detrimental to the NBA, he

754
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 8: can penalize them. So basically, you have the opportunity to

755
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 8: pick and choose when you want to penalize teams. And

756
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Speaker 8: I feel that, to me is what Adam Silver did hear,

757
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 8: because that to me kind of clarified why we haven't

758
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Speaker 8: seen a uniform hard and fast rule.

759
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Speaker 9: Because I'm like, I gotta go through to page six and.

760
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 8: You know, and squint and look, and I'm like, oh,

761
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 8: there's just one sentence that basically gives you an out

762
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Speaker 8: to choose when you want to punish players and how

763
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Speaker 8: you want to punish players.

764
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Speaker 9: And I don't agree with that part of it.

765
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Speaker 8: And I get it, Like I'm not gonna sit here

766
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Speaker 8: and pretend like, you know, the Pacers, the Jazz, the

767
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 8: Pelicans want to win a ton of games. But if

768
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 8: you want to penalize teams. Man, you gotta make it

769
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 8: very clear otherwise because it's slippery slow.

770
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Speaker 7: Yeah, where the Kings?

771
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: Who are the Wizards?

772
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Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying. So did you just choose? You

773
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 9: know what?

774
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 8: Those pacers they got on my nerves today. I'm gonna

775
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 8: just I'm gonna just penal a lot of felt like right,

776
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 8: And that to me is like stupid and I get it,

777
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 8: like other teams are gonna say, well, they are probably

778
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 8: trying to lose. I get that, I get that, But

779
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 8: you can't tell me the Kings are trying to win,

780
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 8: Like what are we talking about?

781
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 6: Last night before the game, Rick Carler was asked about

782
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Speaker 6: the NBA. Responding there, he said, quote, my number one

783
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 6: fixation is player health. I have a long history of

784
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 6: concern for this, going back to all my head coaching,

785
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 6: because one of the jobs of a head coach is

786
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Speaker 6: to manage play your health. The aeron Nise Smith situation

787
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 6: was bothersome to me. It really was bothersome to him.

788
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 6: I don't want to belabor this. It's time to move on,

789
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 6: it's time to move forward. But player health, and you've

790
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 6: got a guy like that who's missed a lot of

791
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 6: games over the last two years. And one reason is

792
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Speaker 6: because he goes so hard and he goes so hard

793
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Speaker 6: for our organization. I just felt it was important to

794
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Speaker 6: support him and support the organization.

795
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 3: I'll be curious with the NBA Players Union steps in

796
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: it all with this.

797
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 9: We did reach out to them for comment.

798
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Speaker 8: We didn't hear back just yet, but I would expect

799
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Speaker 8: or at least hope to hear. There's that hope word.

800
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 9: Again. I hope to hear from them for sure.

801
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, and again, I just don't understand the lack of

802
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 7: a examining the player himself and the fact that the

803
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 7: NBA releases that statement and none of it in there

804
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 7: addresses Rick Carlisle saying that the league whatever told them

805
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 7: that they could have medicated Aaron E. Smith to play.

806
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 8: It's like when your girlfriend asks you, hey, we got

807
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 8: to talk, and then she mentions all the things you

808
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 8: did wrong. You picked like the one thing that's Steven

809
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 8: on the list, and then you go there.

810
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 7: You better believe I was doing that. That to me

811
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 7: is the real egregious nature to all of this. And

812
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 7: good for Rick Carlisle and coming out and defending his player.

813
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 7: I think that will be extremely well received inside of

814
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 7: that Pacers locker room in regards to Aaron E. Smith

815
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 7: as an individual as well. And you know, I'm watching

816
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 7: the game last night. The Pacers are getting drubbed in

817
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 7: the fourth quarter. I mean they're down whatever it was

818
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 7: twenty five with four messco in the game, and there's

819
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 7: Andrew Nemhart out there playing. You know, there are a

820
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 7: lot of teams right now that are not doing that

821
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 7: in the fourth quarter. You know Siakam the other night,

822
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 7: he played late in the in the fourth quarter. So

823
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 7: that's where I struggle so so much with this. And

824
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 7: again I'll go back to what I said about twenty

825
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 7: five minutes ago. I'm not this guy that bitches and

826
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 7: moans and stands on the table saying the NBA hates

827
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 7: the small market teams and the Pacers, you know.

828
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 3: Get treated poor like I.

829
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Speaker 7: I think that's an easy cop out for a lot

830
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 7: of people, and I don't totally agree with it. But

831
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 7: when I hear some of this play out and the

832
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 7: manner that it has, it gives a lot of smoke

833
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 7: to people that do believe that, and it has me pausing.

834
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 7: And I'm not one that is quick to run to

835
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 7: those things.

836
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Speaker 8: So when We were talking earlier Jeff about why is

837
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 8: the NBA perhaps more in your face with we don't

838
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 8: want tanking, we don't want to allow it. Adam here

839
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 8: on the text line, messaged us this morning and goes, Guys,

840
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 8: the NBA is one hundred percent bow into the betting platforms,

841
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 8: and honestly.

842
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 9: That perspective.

843
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 8: But I do think that is a valid question that

844
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 8: needs to be asked to Adam Silver.

845
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 7: Walk me through this situation in regards to that. I

846
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 7: don't disagree with Adam's thought. But what they want a

847
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 7: Nie Smith to play for betting purposes?

848
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 8: No, not the So the empisode, for example, the NBA

849
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 8: has partnered with betting let's say fandel or whatever. Yeah,

850
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 8: I place a bet saying, you know, Aaron NEI Smith

851
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 8: is gonna, I don't know, score fifteen points or whatever.

852
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 9: He's gonna do whatever.

853
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 8: They probably feel like, you know what, when these guys

854
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 8: sit out games or they don't play in the fourth quarter,

855
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 8: they're ruining our ability to continue to make money off

856
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 8: of them because we partner with every single betting platform

857
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 8: under the sun. So that to me, there's probably the

858
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 8: angle he's taking. And I'm not saying like this is

859
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 8: a foregone conclusion. But I do want to hear him

860
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 8: out on that, and I think that that is a

861
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 8: real thing. And maybe it applies more so to the

862
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 8: jazz for example.

863
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 7: See that's where I'm at, then the page, it applies

864
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 7: more to the But you play the guy, but in

865
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 7: the back of your mind, you know you're pulling him early.

866
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 5: Right.

867
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 7: Therefore the over under bet that everybody wants to be

868
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 7: exactly it is skewed. Aaron Eathman didn't play in the game, right,

869
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 7: so like you couldn't bet on him. So that's where Yeah,

870
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 7: again I'm not gonna ignore that, and I do realize

871
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 7: there is certainly you're in bed with the betting partners.

872
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 7: But to me, and this gets back to who you

873
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 7: should punish and who you shouldn't punish, the more egregious

874
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 7: team in this situation would be a team like Utah,

875
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 7: which a few weeks back, they played Laurie Markainen, they

876
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 7: played Jaron Jackson Junior, they played some of their frontline guys,

877
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 7: and then the fourth quarter comes around, all of you

878
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 7: comes in on the bench, and that's where the over

879
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 7: unders get very messy, very quickly.

880
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it goes kind of what Jay exactly what

881
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 6: both you were saying. But it's even deeper. I mean,

882
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 6: they're gonna be new distribution avenues next year, But what

883
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 6: is the prime for many many teams. What's the primary

884
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: broadcast network for local NBA games called right now?

885
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 9: What's it called sport?

886
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 3: It's called Fandel.

887
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 6: You see it, whether it's DraftKings or Fandel or whatever

888
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 6: in every arena now, sometimes in stadiums, And that's big money.

889
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 6: They spend big, big money to do those things. And

890
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 6: there's no such thing as a legitimate in the NBA

891
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 6: right now. There's no such thing as a legitimate over

892
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 6: under anymore. You don't know who's gonna play night tonight,

893
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 6: you don't know how long they're going to play. And

894
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 6: I feel like the integrity of the game from the

895
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 6: NBA's perspective, that's pushing them to say, Okay, now we're

896
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 6: gonna fix this.

897
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: Now we're gonna fix this.

898
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 6: So that's where the conspiracy theory for people saying it

899
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 6: all goes back to betting?

900
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: Is that why?

901
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 6: I don't think I can sit here and say definitively

902
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 6: that's why. But it sure makes you think hard about it,

903
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 6: doesn't it.

904
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 7: Kevin Mark had to laugh at me. Yesterday, Mark, this

905
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 7: was you reached out to the NBA to see if

906
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 7: we get Adam Silver on. That was a thank you

907
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 7: for the Hammon T shirt purchase. Okay, uh huh, no problem.

908
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: I figure make the purchase yesterday.

909
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 7: Purchase made. So yeah, I cannot wait to rock those

910
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: Mark and I will wear them in the same day.

911
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 7: We're like, you know, best friends in third grade rocking

912
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 7: the same chair.

913
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 12: But you know, Carol and Johnson, Riley and step Brothers,

914
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 12: people will come best friends.

915
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: I think you're best friends. Thank you.

916
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 10: Uh.

917
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 7: We did have Adam Silver on back during the NBA

918
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 7: All Star weekend and so I figured Mark still had

919
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 7: a contact. And you know again Rick Carlile said these

920
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 7: comments where on the show. On the show, so you know, Mark,

921
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 7: you did reach out to the NBA to see if

922
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 7: maybe the commissioner had a few minutes, and.

923
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 9: To be fair of the NBA, they did get back

924
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 9: to you.

925
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 7: Correct.

926
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, Michael Bass, who's the EVP of communications for the league,

927
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 12: reached out to me after I had messaged him.

928
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, it's a long shot.

929
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 12: Any chance Adam Silver wants to hop on these airwaves

930
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 12: and respond to Rick Carlyle's comments. He said, Hey, Mark,

931
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 12: nice to hear from you. Unfortunately Adam is not availble

932
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 12: to pop on with you guys at this time. You

933
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 12: may may have missed it, but here's our league comments

934
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 12: on coach Carlile's from earlier today and then he just

935
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 12: released the press release statement everything. But they did get

936
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 12: back to us. But yeah, I don't think we're getting

937
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 12: Adam Silver anytime soon.

938
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 7: Nice response there from the NBA. Why Adam Silver has

939
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 7: already made James, you would know this. He usually makes

940
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 7: what oon appearance inside of Gambridge field House each year?

941
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: Maybe two?

942
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, probably something along those lines.

943
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 7: I believe he already did with the He usually does

944
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 7: that early in the season with with the toy drive.

945
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 7: But can you imagine if Adamsilver had yet to make

946
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 7: his appearance inside of Gambridge field House, that might be

947
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 7: seventeen thousand people and they're booing him loudly And I

948
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 7: am a little nervous.

949
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 9: How little little citizens arrest? Hey get over here.

950
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 7: I am a little nervous. How two questions for you?

951
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 7: Way to those ping pong balls might be here in two.

952
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: And a half.

953
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 7: That's honestly, you want to continue down the conspiracy theory round.

954
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: That's all I had.

955
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 12: I said, do you guys think this is going to

956
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 12: I was thinking out a lot. I was like, do

957
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 12: you think this is going to hurt like their chances

958
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 12: come lottery time? Cause they'd be like, you know what,

959
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 12: you kind of threw us on the on the grill here.

960
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 12: You know, maybe maybe your lottery balls get kind of

961
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 12: shuffled in a little deeper in the pile.

962
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 6: One other thing I did want to mention before we

963
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 6: wrap this up. That did bother me about that statement yesterday.

964
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 6: It's it's not saying that he lied or anything like that.

965
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 6: But when the NBA comes out with a statement saying,

966
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 6: essentially pointing the finger right at Rick carly In saying

967
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 6: that's inaccurate, they could choose one teeny tiny little thing

968
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 6: that they don't think is inaccurate and say that. But

969
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 6: if you're not really clue into the whole situation, doesn't

970
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 6: it sound like the NBA is saying, Oh, he's just

971
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 6: making stuff up because they're talking about a specific investigation

972
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 6: that Rick was very specific on what did or didn't happen,

973
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 6: and all they say is that's inaccurate.

974
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I thought Rick bought out whatever three, four,

975
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 7: maybe even five things that he had an issue with

976
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 7: in the process in the NBA. I'd have to go

977
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 7: back and read the statement again, but really only debunked

978
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 7: maybe one or two. You know, I think maybe they

979
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 7: they did talk to the head of the medical staff,

980
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 7: is that what they said in the statement, But they

981
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 7: did not talk to Nise Smith, the player, And they

982
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 7: sure as hell didn't mention anything about the medicated you know.

983
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: Request, yes, which is if that's true, that's just wild.

984
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 7: Which again, that to me is the most egregious aspect

985
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 7: to the statement or Carlile's comments in itself. And yeah,

986
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 7: that to me was just when I read that, that

987
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 7: was wild. That's where again, the players Union you have

988
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 7: to have some sort of statement, if not step in

989
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 7: and ask for further investigation into this.

990
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 6: Well you would think. So, we got a busy day

991
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 6: here for you this morning. Here the Fan Morning Show,

992
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 6: Chris Ballard coming your way at nine forty five, Dad made,

993
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 6: head coach of the Butler Bulldogs, going to join us

994
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 6: from on the road at eight point thirty this morning

995
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 6: as they get ready for another game tonight in Big

996
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 6: East Conference play. We'll take some more of your thoughts, feedback,

997
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 6: phone calls, texts at two, three, nine, ten seventy and

998
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 6: get you ready to go for Day two of the

999
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 6: NFL Combine right here in the downtown Convention Center in

1000
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 6: Indianapolis at the NFL Combine.

1001
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 5: Live from the NFL Combine in downtown Indianapolis, you're listening

1002
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 5: to the fan Morning Show.

1003
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 6: Start to fill up a little bit here in the

1004
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 6: eight o'clock hour on the convention floor of the National

1005
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 6: Football League's twenty twenty six Combine. The meeting started yesterday.

1006
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 6: I already started hearing from coaches and general managers. Actually

1007
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 6: mostly Kevin didn't wasn't yesterday, mostly about coaches and general managers.

1008
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 3: Throughout the day for all the teams that did attend.

1009
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 7: Correct, correct, And today we'll get to players. So I

1010
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 7: believe in the next minute or so, Aidan Fisher, for example,

1011
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 7: would be on the other side of the curtain that

1012
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 7: we are on, and he will be chatting with the media.

1013
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 7: So we start with the linebackers and the DB's and

1014
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 7: then we make our way into eventually to the quarterbacks.

1015
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: It was funny.

1016
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 7: I was just walking out back to our set over

1017
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 7: here and former Colts coach you know from the Frank

1018
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 7: reich Era was standing there and we chatted briefly. He

1019
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 7: said he was taking the cab in last night going

1020
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 7: by Lucas Oil Stadium and he said, the loudest memory

1021
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 7: he has.

1022
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: Inside of Lucas Oil Stadium.

1023
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 7: So if you guys thought, Frank reich Era, what would

1024
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 7: you say would be the loudest memory that that coach

1025
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 7: would have inside of that building.

1026
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 3: Well, the way you say that makes me feel like

1027
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: it's not obvious.

1028
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 9: Was it the jt run against the Patriots?

1029
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 7: Indeed, yeh Saturday night and Jonathan Taylor run on James

1030
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 7: Boyd all over it. We did have to share a

1031
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 7: chuckle about maybe the lack of quarterback play towards the

1032
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 7: end of that season and forcing Jonathan Taylor to run

1033
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 7: the football whole whole lot. But you know, that's one

1034
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 7: of the questions that you know, Shane's second did hit

1035
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 7: on yesterday, and I think we'll be a focus as

1036
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 7: we get closer to the season. James is just how

1037
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 7: contrasting the run game was from the first two months

1038
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 7: of the year to the last two months of the year.

1039
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 7: He specifically mentioned the lack of explosive runs. I forget

1040
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 7: what the stat was I remember I looked it up

1041
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 7: late in the year, James, I believe after the Kansas

1042
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 7: City game. It might have included the Kansas City game.

1043
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 7: So what six games left? Seven games left at that point,

1044
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 7: I don't believe Jonathan Taylor had a run of more

1045
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 7: than fifteen yards the rest of the season. Me think

1046
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 7: about that, Jonathan Taylor not one run in a six

1047
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 7: week stretch, a seven week stretch of fifteen yards. I'm

1048
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 7: not saying fifty, I'm saying fifteen yards. And that is

1049
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 7: a absolute one eighty from what he did early in the year,

1050
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 7: when it was home run after home run after home run.

1051
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 7: He was ripping off. So amongst all the cold storylines

1052
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 7: from last season, we obviously talked about the injury situation

1053
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 7: for the first half. The second half, the inability to

1054
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 7: get Taylor going at all, I think is a huge,

1055
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 7: huge story.

1056
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 3: And sort of related to that too.

1057
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 6: There were questions asked to Shane Steichen about did you

1058
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 6: start to call the game differently once Daniel Jones had

1059
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 6: that broken leg, and he talked about that a little bit,

1060
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 6: and at first he was like, no, not so much,

1061
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 6: but towards the end of the conversation didn't it feel

1062
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 6: like he kind of admitted a little bit that it

1063
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 6: did start to change the way he called plays, And

1064
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 6: it certainly seemed like it changed the way even before

1065
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 6: the major injury to the achilles, and then it was

1066
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 6: obvious after that where teams just didn't respect the passing

1067
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 6: game at all and just loaded up on the line.

1068
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1069
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 7: I mean, I think some of the Boots stuff, you know,

1070
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 7: some of the movement, even if you're not outright running

1071
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones like whatever's Lamar Jackson, I think some of

1072
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 7: the ability to move him outside of the pocket was

1073
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 7: definitely hinder.

1074
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Speaker 8: And yes, yeah, I thought it honestly limited Tyler Warren

1075
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 8: and how explosive he was towards the second half of

1076
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 8: the season. If you look at his production when Daniel

1077
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 8: Jones was healthy, fully healthy, versus when he fractured his

1078
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Speaker 8: leg and towards achilles, there was a drop off from

1079
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 8: Tyler Warren. I think a lot of that had to

1080
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 8: do with just some of the misdirection stuff you can do,

1081
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 8: like you said, some of the Boots stuff you can

1082
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 8: do running around. And again, we'll see what assuming Daniel

1083
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 8: Jones is retained, because lord knows, you don't have a

1084
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 8: plan B right now.

1085
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 9: So let's say he is back.

1086
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 8: What is the difference between being medically cleared and being

1087
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 8: one hundred percent of who you once were right now?

1088
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 7: I think it's a huge story line. One thing to

1089
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 7: mention too, Jeff, you brought up just play calling in general.

1090
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 7: We did see two head coaches yesterday say that they

1091
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 7: will no longer call plays. Yeah, that would be Dave

1092
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 7: can Allison Carolina, which just a refresherbody on Carolina. They

1093
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 7: made the playoffs and you know it was a year

1094
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 7: two for him. He called the plays in Tampa and

1095
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 7: Bryce you had some sort of resurrection, and then Sean

1096
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 7: Payton a long time obviously that's still play caller and

1097
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 7: head coach saying that he will not And Shane Stiken

1098
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 7: was asked about that, he did say he will continue

1099
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 7: to call plays.

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00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: I know it's a hot button topic. I think a

1101
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: lot of people bring up with Shane. You know, I've

1102
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: always felt like his best attribute as a head coach.

1103
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 7: Is probably as a play caller, more so than maybe

1104
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 7: overseeing the entire operation and everything that goes with being

1105
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 7: a head coach. And so he will continue to do that.

1106
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 7: And you know, again there were some conversations obviously league

1107
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 7: wide with some coaches, and you know, you can make

1108
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 7: a great case for coaches that don't do it. You

1109
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 7: can make a great case for coaches that do do it.

1110
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 7: You know, you think of the best coaches in the

1111
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 7: NFL right now, some sort of list, it's what Sean McVay,

1112
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 7: Kyle Shanahan, and Andy Reid, all three of them call

1113
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 7: plays and are the head coaches. So I don't think

1114
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 7: it's a given that you just all of a sudden

1115
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 7: give up play calling and then all of a sudden boom,

1116
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 7: you become this great head coach necessarily, But for those curious,

1117
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 7: Shane Stikeen will continue to call plays.

1118
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1119
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 6: And my guess is when those two organizations, whether it's

1120
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 6: Carolina or Denver, decided to go that way, and those

1121
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 6: head coaches decided to do that, they probably stepped back

1122
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 6: and said, you know what, there were certain things that

1123
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 6: I missed as an overall coach because I was so

1124
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 6: focused about making sure we had the right personnel on

1125
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 6: the right play called for this particular defense. Maybe I

1126
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 6: missed some other things that I should have been paying

1127
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 6: attention to. And for a guy like Sean Payton, who's

1128
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 6: been doing it as long as he has to step back.

1129
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Speaker 3: I thought that was really shocking. Yeah, I was stunned

1130
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: when he said it.

1131
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 7: Was actually in the podium right next to when Chane

1132
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 7: Sack was about to talk, so just kind of listening

1133
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 7: to Sean Payton in the background when he said that,

1134
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 7: I was definitely caught off guard.

1135
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, And that's one thing I think Dave Canalis had

1136
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 6: basically said too, that by giving up play calling, I

1137
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 6: think Brad Ezick is going to do it now as

1138
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 6: offensive coordinator. It'll allow him to just focus on a

1139
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 6: lot of things at the same time without I'm going

1140
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 6: to worry. You know, I got the clock going, what's

1141
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 6: my play call going to be?

1142
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 11: Oh?

1143
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 6: I see what they've got their defensive personnel, here's my

1144
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 6: offensive personnel. That's a lot of focus and a lot

1145
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 6: going on in what at a thirty second period?

1146
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 3: Forty seconds.

1147
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, the small peaks behind the curtain that Shane Stykeen

1148
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 8: has given us, And I'm like, man, coaching in the

1149
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 8: NFL is extremely difficult, and honestly, I think there's just

1150
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 8: more scenarios than even like the NBA because the NFL

1151
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 8: you have to factor in like weather, there's more guys

1152
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 8: on the fields, there's more variances and where they might be,

1153
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 8: and like, you know, the two minute warning. Like there's

1154
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 8: just so many different variables that don't exist in other

1155
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 8: sports that make it very I mean hard, honestly, which

1156
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 8: is why they have those like game analysts, analytical people

1157
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 8: to kind of let you know what you're supposed to do.

1158
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 6: That to that point though, even though he keeps play calling,

1159
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 6: one of the announcements they made with the addition of

1160
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 6: those five coaches that they had yesterday we talked about, was.

1161
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 3: A quality control coach.

1162
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 6: That's kind of what his job is going to be,

1163
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 6: to pay attention to the overall general thing and say

1164
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 6: and whisper in the ear, hey, by the way, that

1165
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 6: corner is just twisted his ankle, he's out on the

1166
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 6: left side, those kinds of things, and whether you got

1167
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 6: two timeouts left and hey, we're running down the click

1168
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 6: whatever it is there's now he has hired someone specifically

1169
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 6: to kind of be that quality control guy. Right, Don't

1170
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 6: we remember when was a Jim Tressel that was hired

1171
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 6: at one point in time by the Colts to be

1172
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 6: a quality control guy up in the booth to manage

1173
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff.

1174
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: Mark, did the Browns just get a new quarterback?

1175
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: They had to. I heard the bell move over, dying,

1176
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: get out of the way.

1177
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 7: The cow bell in the background from our friends here

1178
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 7: at the table next to us ESPSP and Cleveland James.

1179
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 7: Defensive focus, it seems like it was reiterated yesterday speed

1180
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 7: specifically in the front seven. I may be here a

1181
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 7: little bit more defensive end than I hear linebacker, but

1182
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 7: I am curious about linebacker. Linebacker is still an unknown

1183
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 7: for me. Just how much attention it will be given.

1184
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 7: Just to update everybody on linebacker, Zia Franklin is under contract,

1185
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 7: I believe for two more seasons. Yes, but you know

1186
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 7: there is some cap relief that could be there. And

1187
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 7: Jermaine Pratt, the other starter, is a free agent. So

1188
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 7: anything defensively you heard yesterday that caught your ear.

1189
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 8: I thought it was interesting when I threw the question

1190
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 8: at ballad about the linebackers, how would you evaluate them

1191
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 8: both good and bad? And I said both good and bad.

1192
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 8: But when it was more bad than good, I would say,

1193
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 8: at least in coverage. And I thought his response of

1194
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 8: immediately mentioning Zaire Franklin and how close they are, how

1195
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 8: much he loves them was interesting because I think that

1196
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 8: he knows that there has been a lot of chatter

1197
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 8: about his future here in Indianapolis, And to me, I

1198
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 8: wonder if that is a decision that will let us

1199
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 8: know how serious Chris is about trying to change this

1200
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 8: franchise or point it in a new direction, because he's

1201
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 8: at an offseason where there is a real possibility and

1202
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 8: a reasonable decision to be made about the future of

1203
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 8: Zaire Franklin, about the future of Michael Wiman Junr and like,

1204
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 8: can you move on from some of the guys that

1205
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 8: are homegrown? That are you know for Nzayre's sake and

1206
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 8: kind of a diamond the rough is considering he's a

1207
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 8: seventh round pick and became a second team a pro.

1208
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 8: But even more than that, how much are you willing to.

1209
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 9: Put up with? In regard to Zaiir?

1210
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 8: And again, he has an incredible story, incredible background, He's

1211
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 8: beat a ton of odds, like the fact that he's

1212
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 8: in the NFL is a miracle and he's earned everything

1213
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 8: that he has in his life. But at the same time,

1214
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 8: feel good story aside. The production wasn't there last year,

1215
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 8: but the distractions were and is that something you're going

1216
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 8: to continue to put up with when it just doesn't

1217
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 8: match up? Like Puka den Koua is probably a headache

1218
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 8: for the Rams, but he's a headache for every other

1219
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 8: team that has to defend up on Sundays.

1220
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 7: So you just deal with it more like a migraine

1221
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 7: for every other team exactly.

1222
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 8: But I don't know if again, the juice is worth

1223
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 8: the squeeze and all that stuff when it comes to

1224
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 8: Zaire Frank, because I'm very curious see what his future

1225
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 8: is going forward.

1226
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 9: But it sounds like Ballard likes him, probably wants him around.

1227
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 8: But again I'm thinking to myself, like, Okay, you can

1228
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 8: like the guy, but what are we doing here if

1229
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 8: he's not playing well enough?

1230
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I get the vibe defensive end wise, I could

1231
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 7: see some swings like we saw last year in the secondary.

1232
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 7: You know, last year in the secondary, you went out

1233
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 7: and you paid big money for Shafari's ward. You paid

1234
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 7: big money for cam buying them, I think, And again,

1235
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 7: the right guys will have to hit the open market.

1236
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 7: You know, we'll see who gets franchise tagged in the

1237
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 7: next six days. And Trey Hendrickson being one of those

1238
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 7: names that I know gets brought up a lot with

1239
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 7: the Colts. But it seems like they feel pretty good

1240
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 7: about the available bodies that could be their defensive end,

1241
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 7: not only in the draft but also potentially in free agency,

1242
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 7: which is not always a given. So that is a

1243
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 7: position that I think certainly they've missed routinely on and

1244
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 7: it needs life, it needs injection of fuel, to use

1245
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 7: the Chris Ballard phrase, and it does sound like they

1246
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 7: feel pretty good about what could be there again draft

1247
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 7: and free agency.

1248
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 6: Here's the thing. You bring up Tree Hendrickson. If they

1249
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 6: went out and somehow made a move to try and

1250
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 6: get a Trey Hendrickson, that also affects everything else because

1251
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 6: they want to make you know, they want to keep

1252
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones, that's going to cost him some money. If

1253
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 6: they're going to keep Alec Pierce, they probably have to

1254
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 6: put a franchise tag on him, but that's not cheap either.

1255
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 6: Then they talk about, man, we'd love to keep my

1256
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 6: Michael Pittman junior. Obviously you could be able to keep

1257
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 6: all those guys and work everything else out under the

1258
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 6: salary cap.

1259
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: So this first week.

1260
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 6: A free agency is going to be fascinating to me

1261
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 6: to see what the Colts end up doing and how

1262
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 6: those dominoes fall.

1263
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's one of the most unknowns I have been

1264
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 7: about the Colts walking into a free agency in a while.

1265
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 7: You know, last year, I think it was a pretty

1266
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 7: given they were going to make some defensive back moves,

1267
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 7: but they didn't have the Jones in the and the Pierce,

1268
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 7: you know, clouds really hanging over him. I mean, those

1269
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 7: are still unknowns.

1270
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1271
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 7: It sounds like talks have been positive. And again, the

1272
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 7: franchise tag deadline is in six days, so uh, two

1273
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 7: weeks from today the new league year officially begins, So

1274
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 7: you have to get something done two weeks from today

1275
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 7: or else they will be free to sign with others officially.

1276
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 7: But then again, after that, what can you do? How

1277
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 7: much focus does defensive line get? To James's point, what

1278
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 7: do you do at linebacker? What about Nick Cross, you know, cornerback.

1279
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 7: We've debated this in a while, and again, the biggest

1280
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 7: news item from yesterday to me was the fact that

1281
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 7: Shaveria's Ward is going to play in twenty twenty six.

1282
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 3: On paper. Sauce Gardner Shaveri's Ward, Kenny Moore and let's

1283
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: throw Justin Whally in there.

1284
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 7: That's a that's a pretty good three four man cornerback group.

1285
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: I think Schenk called an elite yesterday, didn't he now again.

1286
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 7: Javarious Awards, concussion situation can't be ignored. But are you

1287
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 7: in a position to properly provide insurance there?

1288
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: Like when you start.

1289
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 7: Listing everything you need to do this offseason Jones Pierce

1290
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 7: defensive end, what are you gonna do it? Wide out?

1291
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 7: You know, what are you gonna do at linebacker? You

1292
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 7: know where does cornerback insurance come into play there? I

1293
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 7: think that's what makes it difficult. And you know part

1294
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 7: of that is just the puzzle piece of the hard

1295
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 7: cap of the NFL. You know, this isn't Frankly, it's

1296
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 7: not college football. It's not the whole while West where

1297
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 7: you just go to a different booster and say, hey,

1298
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 7: you got the money, come on down.

1299
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: We need help with this position.

1300
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 6: So we had Shane Steichen and Chris Ballard speak to

1301
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 6: the media at large yesterday. Chris Ballard is gonna come

1302
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 6: out of Shane. By the way, he spent some time

1303
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 6: with jamb If you missed that interview, go back and

1304
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 6: listen to it on the website one to seven five,

1305
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 6: thefan dot com, and then Chris Ballard will join us

1306
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 6: towards the end of the show today at nine forty five.

1307
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 6: Once we speak to Chris, what are you guys most

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00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 6: interested in here at the combine today?

1309
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 9: I would say.

1310
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 8: Beyond like trying to get like little other nuggets or

1311
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 8: clarification from things from yesterday. I forgot to ask on

1312
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 8: Nick Cross. You know, I know that's the player you

1313
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 8: traded up for a few years ago. He's proven to

1314
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 8: be a good player. So when it comes to arm

1315
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 8: research for free agents, I know all the chatter and

1316
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 8: all the talk is about and rightfully so Daniel Jones

1317
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 8: and Alec Pierce, But where does he factors into the equation?

1318
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 8: Knowing that again you have to spend money to get

1319
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 8: those two guys back. But Nick Cross has probably earned

1320
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 8: a contract and maybe not here, you know, but he's

1321
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 8: earned a nice payday I believe from someone.

1322
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 9: But is it here?

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00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 6: We haven't even talked about the offensive line. They got

1324
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 6: a decision to to make there too, James.

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Speaker 8: I would say so, but I think for the most

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00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 8: part they've kind of been building towards transitioning for the

1327
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 8: last few years. Jeff, I know Braden Smith is won again,

1328
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 8: you would probably like to have him back. I mean,

1329
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 8: Braden Smith is a good player, a very good player

1330
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 8: in the NFL still, and I get that he missed

1331
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 8: the last what was it four games of the year, Kevin.

1332
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 8: Maybe it might even three on injury reserve. But Chris

1333
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 8: did update and say he's healthy now and he's fine.

1334
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 8: But again, they've drafted Jalen Travis. They tried to prepare

1335
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 8: for this with Blake Freeland. That didn't work out a

1336
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 8: couple of years ago, Kevin. But my point is you

1337
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 8: have to get cheaper somewhere. So is that way they

1338
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 8: get cheaper on the offensive line, because I would think

1339
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 8: the other four spots along that offensive line outside of

1340
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 8: right tackle are pretty solidified.

1341
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, I really don't think there's much question about the

1342
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 7: O line. To me, the Braden Smith situation just seems

1343
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 7: like we gotta pass the torch. We can't pay everybody,

1344
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 7: you know, premium money and first round pick Scalore. To me,

1345
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,919
Speaker 7: it looks like a Jalen Travis situation ready to take over.

1346
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 7: And then the rest of the four guys are all

1347
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 7: under contract. So I don't think offensively, I really struggle

1348
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 7: to find big questions. Assuming Jones and Pierce are back,

1349
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 7: Pittman would be the one. But you know, running back,

1350
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 7: you're kind of nitpicking there. You know, tight ends Moley

1351
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 7: Cox and Drew ogle Tree are free agents. Again, it's

1352
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 7: not the most pressing thing in the world.

1353
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 8: Can I stand on my soapbox and it's with Chris

1354
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 8: Ballard and the time, you should probably bring Molly Cox back.

1355
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 9: And I know people are like why.

1356
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 8: I do think they need a blocking tight end, whether

1357
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 8: it's Moley Cox or somebody else. I think that's one

1358
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 8: of the more underrated elements of a good offense that

1359
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 8: to you know, most of us watching the game, we're

1360
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 8: not looking at the second tight end and seeing if

1361
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 8: he's blocking the edge right or whatever, getting on the

1362
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Speaker 8: second level with that linebacker. John Taylor run game, Yeah,

1363
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 8: we was about a run game. I think Mally Cox

1364
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 8: is a very big part of why. And I'm not

1365
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 8: saying it's all his you know, to his credit, but

1366
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 8: he's been a big factor I think, and why they've

1367
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 8: had success running the ball when they've had it.

1368
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 9: So it's a sneaky need.

1369
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 8: It's not going to be on my top five list

1370
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 8: of things that have to be uh corrected, Jeff. But

1371
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 8: it is one of those things that has fallen under

1372
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 8: the radar. We know, it's been all day on the

1373
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 8: airwaves talking about you know, secondary tight ends, but they

1374
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 8: need one for sure.

1375
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 7: One other thing I wanted to mention, and this is

1376
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 7: from Shane Stiken yesterday. And again, you know, anytime you

1377
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 7: hear Ballad and Stike and talk, frankly, I think valid

1378
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 7: is much more candid than styching is. I thought one

1379
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 7: thing that I agreed wholeheartedly with Shane. This goes back

1380
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 7: to a conversation James. You might have been out this

1381
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 7: day that Jeff and I got into the debate of okay,

1382
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 7: what is the good and what is the bad? And

1383
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 7: when you evaluate your GM and your head coach, you know,

1384
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 7: just from an annual basis, it's an exercise to do

1385
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 7: every year. And I post the story on one on

1386
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 7: seven five to fan dot com talk wins, losses, Okay,

1387
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 7: what do they want at? You know, what if they

1388
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 7: lost at? Obviously the losses currently outweigh the wins. But

1389
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 7: for example, you know last year you would say, hey,

1390
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones was a win in terms of how he

1391
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 7: elevated his game. One thing I think in Steichen's resume

1392
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 7: that the Colts really struggle with and this gets more

1393
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 7: into the head coach hat he wears, not the offensive

1394
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 7: play coller hat. The Colts don't win enough ugly games.

1395
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 7: They don't. If their offense has an off day, they lose,

1396
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 7: just simply like if you look at their record, when

1397
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 7: they score twenty points or less, it is a very

1398
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 7: poor record. And over a seventeen game schedule, inevitably you've

1399
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 7: got games that look like Seattle did this year, where

1400
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 7: it's a struggle to get to seventeen. It's a struggle

1401
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 7: to whatever gets a sixteen maybe, and sometimes sixteen and

1402
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 7: thirteen is what it hasked to get done for you

1403
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 7: to exit there with the W in the column. And again,

1404
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 7: over seventeen weeks, those games pop up a ton of them,

1405
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 7: but there could be three or four of them. And

1406
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 7: if you look at this team that's kind of been

1407
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 7: stuck in purgatory, stuck in the middle, you flip three

1408
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 7: or four of those, or if you just flip a

1409
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 7: couple of them, you might be talking about a different conversation.

1410
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 7: So for Shane to kind of hammer that home yesterday

1411
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 7: on different couple different points I think was needed this franchise,

1412
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 7: in particularly this team under him. They have got to

1413
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 7: win uglier better and they just haven't done that.

1414
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 3: You know, you bring that up.

1415
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 6: And the great example of the Kansas City Chiefs a

1416
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 6: couple of years ago when they go to the Super Bowl,

1417
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 6: they won all those one score games. Last year they

1418
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 6: didn't win any one score games and they ended up

1419
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 6: out of the playoffs. Winning ugly games is in today's NFL.

1420
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 6: You have to, Kevin, you have to you bring.

1421
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 9: Up the Chiefs.

1422
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 8: That's the perfect example of another time where cult are

1423
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 8: leading late, you gotta get some stops. Daniel Jones playing

1424
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 8: on a broken leg and you can't get off the

1425
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 8: field against that team. Let him come down get the

1426
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 8: what a game tying field goal and they went in overtime.

1427
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 8: So there were too many of those moments throughout those

1428
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 8: last seven games of losing where you can point to

1429
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 8: certain moments where you got what what what's the saying

1430
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 8: in hockey or soccers down on your head and they

1431
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 8: couldn't do it.

1432
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 7: And here Connor hell of Bucks.

1433
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 8: Yeah for sure, for sure, And maybe I will say

1434
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 8: this as far as Daniel Jones goes, keep all your teeth.

1435
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 9: You've got enough to this franchise.

1436
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 7: Did I see this correctly? And I have to check myself.

1437
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 7: I feel like I sound like one of my parents

1438
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 7: here because I feel like everything's AI generated. Mark Dyighton,

1439
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 7: you might know this. Was there really a Jack Hughes

1440
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 7: that got cut from the nineteen eighty Miracle on Ice Team?

1441
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: I actually don't know that.

1442
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: What'd you see that?

1443
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 7: I saw? Somebody sent this to me yesterday.

1444
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 9: He said it's on Facebook. It ain't real, brother.

1445
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 7: And there's a clip in Miracle where they show, you know,

1446
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 7: the assistant coach has literally taken a sharpie and he's

1447
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 7: crossing Jack Hughes's name off the roster of available prospects.

1448
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 7: He's actually taken his name in tape off the locker.

1449
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 7: You know, nice little cinema there. And I thought there

1450
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 7: was a Jack Hughes. I believe he had to Harvard.

1451
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: Maybe that is correct.

1452
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 12: It says he was the last player cut before the

1453
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 12: nineteen eighty roster was finalized.

1454
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, the defenseman is named John Francis Jack Hughes.

1455
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 7: How about that? So this is real? This is not it?

1456
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 6: I didn't get duped a detail accurately portrayed in the

1457
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 6: two thousand movie Miracle.

1458
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: No AI slop on this end, No dupe.

1459
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 7: I'm a little nervous here. April Fools is upcoming. I'm

1460
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 7: afraid the show got duped a few times last year

1461
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 7: on April Fools.

1462
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 12: Oh, of coursely during NFL Free agency. Yeah, you have

1463
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 12: to check those boxes and spelling.

1464
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 7: Here's the clip for you, KB Jack Hughes sharpie right, yep, Wow,

1465
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 7: look at that.

1466
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 9: So this is like when they say the Simpsons predicted

1467
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 9: the future.

1468
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 6: Sorry you lost you there for MoMA. But we have

1469
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,959
Speaker 6: re established contact and we are ready to go. As

1470
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 6: we get ready to talk to Thad Mada coming up

1471
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 6: at eight forty five now this morning, and then at

1472
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 6: nine to forty five Chris Ballard expected to drop bye

1473
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 6: in the meantime.

1474
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 3: Here's your missing checkdown.

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1479
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Speaker 6: Day where the NFL Combine opened up its doors for

1480
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 6: another go round, here and downtown Indianapolis. Maybe the biggest

1481
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 6: news of the day came from Rick Carlisle and the

1482
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 6: Indiana Pacers on this show yesterday.

1483
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 7: Kevin Bowen, Yeah, certainly strongly disagreed with the one hundred

1484
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 7: thousand dollars fine that the NBA laid down on the

1485
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 7: Pacers about two weeks ago. We touched on it a

1486
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 7: whole lot in the seven thirty segment there. Yeah, that

1487
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 7: was definitely the big news item from yesterday. Rick did

1488
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 7: not hold back basically standing up for Aaron E. Smith

1489
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 7: in particular and the lack of I guess full process

1490
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 7: the NBA had in deciding to find the Pacers and

1491
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 7: the accusation of the NBA saying that they could have

1492
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 7: medicated Aaron E. Smith to play, So very strong comments

1493
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 7: from Rick Carlisle. Again, that is up on the podcast

1494
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 7: from yesterday and if you missed it seven thirty segment today.

1495
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 3: All right on the court.

1496
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 6: Last night, Pacers lose to the Sixers one thirty five,

1497
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 6: one fourteen. Mike Potter had a career night twenty three

1498
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 6: points on eleven to thirteen shooting, but talk about shooting James.

1499
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 6: The Pacers started off six of eleven from three point

1500
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 6: range last night, they proceeded to go one for twenty

1501
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 6: one the rest of the way. That was a just

1502
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 6: couldn't score baskets.

1503
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 9: Fourth straight loss.

1504
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 8: I believe they are fifteen and forty four, worst record

1505
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 8: in the Eastern Conference, second worst record in the NBA.

1506
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 6: All right, Andrew Nemhart also scored twenty three points on

1507
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 6: the game. But I'll try it again tomorrow night at

1508
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 6: home against the Charlotte Hornets. Meanwhile, college basketball, last night,

1509
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 6: Northwestern used a terrific and ferocious second half rally to

1510
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 6: beat Indiana seventy two sixty eight. Nick Martinelli, their best player,

1511
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 6: scored twenty eight points, and it felt like all twenty

1512
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 6: eight of them came in about a four minute spain

1513
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 6: where he just couldn't miss. That overcame Lamar Wilkinson's eighteen james.

1514
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 6: They had a chance. Indiana did to tie it late

1515
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 6: on a three point shot with a couple of seconds

1516
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 6: remaining by Tucker Devrees.

1517
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 3: Looked like he was clearly.

1518
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 6: Fouled on the play, and yet no whistle and you

1519
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 6: end up with a free throw in a final score

1520
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 6: of seventy two to sixty eight.

1521
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was a horrible misscall, and I get that

1522
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 8: they shouldn't have blown the lead. Gotta make baskets, you

1523
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 8: gotta put him away. But whoever missed that call should

1524
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 8: not be reughing a big team basketball game in the

1525
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 8: near future.

1526
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 6: Also, last night, Duke an easy one over Notre Dame

1527
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 6: one hundred to fifty six in a game probably most

1528
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 6: notable for the fact that head coach Micah Shrewsbury towards

1529
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 6: achilles tendon.

1530
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 7: Kevin horrific on the floor for the Irish, and yes,

1531
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 7: quite the scene. Quite honestly, probably the accurate depiction of

1532
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 7: Notre Dame season. Michael Shrewsbury hurt late in the first half,

1533
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 7: as wild as that sounds, boot crutches postgame, and Notre

1534
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 7: Dame got obliterated by Duke.

1535
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 12: Call Kevin out of the groadge because he's gonna cut

1536
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 12: his achilles so that Michael could have that one.

1537
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 7: I thought about cutting something else off, like Mike Rabel

1538
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 7: boy the Super Bowl.

1539
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 9: I never thought about that.

1540
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 3: That escalated quickly. I don't know if I needed anymore.

1541
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 3: Miami Ohio stay undefeated last night, Kevin Bone.

1542
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, the very smooth transition there, Jeff Yes, Mayama Ohio. Yes, indeed,

1543
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 7: Eastern Michigan.

1544
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: I believe.

1545
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 7: I think they've got the directional Michigan schools this week there,

1546
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 7: So I believe these seventh team since nineteen eighty five

1547
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 7: to be twenty eight and oh on a year. So

1548
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 7: Travis Steel and company three more to go to have

1549
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 7: a regular season undefeated year.

1550
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 6: All right, Butler plays at Villanova later on tonight, six

1551
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 6: thirty year time seven o'clock tip right here on ninety

1552
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 6: three five and one to seven five of the fan.

1553
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 6: That Model, the head coach will join us in a

1554
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 6: few minutes to talk about that one.

1555
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 3: And I would say, if I don't know, would you

1556
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 3: call it a late season surge by Butler. They've been

1557
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 3: playing much better over the last couple of weeks, last

1558
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: week and a half anyway.

1559
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if two games qualify

1560
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 7: as a surge, but you know, definitely take it for them.

1561
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 7: And yeah, I did see a Keem Gillespian the Star

1562
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 7: had a one on one with Grant Line Decker and

1563
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 7: bad Model will be back for next season.

1564
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: I know that was a question some.

1565
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 7: People had there. So the head coach of the Butler

1566
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 7: Bulldogs will join us in a few going back to Indiana.

1567
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 7: What do you what do you guys think that does

1568
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 7: to the old resume.

1569
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 6: I think it's Look, they've got three games left, and

1570
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 6: one of us against Michigan State. That would obviously be

1571
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 6: a huge quad one win. Then they might have a

1572
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 6: chance or two in the upcoming Big Ten tournament. But

1573
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 6: I think after last night they probably need at least

1574
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 6: another quad one win, don't they.

1575
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 3: At this point in.

1576
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 9: Time, I'll probably go there as well.

1577
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 8: They you can't lose against the nerds, can't lose against

1578
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 8: the nerds of Northwestern. But jokes aside, that's a bad loss.

1579
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 8: That's six straight losses to the no that's a bad loss.

1580
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 8: And I thought Lamar Wilkerson after the game, his comments

1581
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 8: about just we just cannot do that, how mad he

1582
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 8: was was sort of the story of that game in

1583
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 8: perhaps their season, because that's gonna be the one you

1584
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 8: look back on when Joel Nardi is, you know, doing

1585
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 8: all his bracket and you're on the outside looking in,

1586
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 8: you're hoping that you get, you know, a chance. That's

1587
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 8: the one you're gonna look back on and say, boy,

1588
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 8: we had that game, or we should have had that game.

1589
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 7: Boy, that atlaup him to Sam Alexis there late in

1590
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 7: the game was one of the wilder awful plays I've

1591
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 7: seen for Indiana this season. Honestly, kind of brought back

1592
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 7: the memories a little bit too, the previous era and

1593
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 7: some of the guard decision making they had there. It

1594
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 7: was a huge sequence in the game. Nick Martinelly got

1595
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 7: a wide open three after that. And one thing to

1596
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 7: note too about Indiana. We've seen now these second half

1597
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 7: collapses in several games this season. And you know, Darren,

1598
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 7: the reason I know, John's been all over the lack

1599
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 7: of playing time for Trent sisily, but he has really

1600
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 7: not been a guy to go to his bench much

1601
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 7: at all. And you know, this gets into I guess

1602
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 7: the hiring of Ryan Carr. We saw, you know from

1603
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 7: earlier in the week that announcement of your roster concern

1604
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 7: your allocation of whatever their roster is, ten million dollars

1605
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 7: doesn't seem to be used in the best way possible.

1606
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 6: All Right, high school basketball last night, some interesting notes.

1607
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 6: Hamilton Southeastern it's seventh in a row. They beat Lawrence

1608
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 6: North seventy six to seventy Number one in the four A.

1609
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 6: Fishers finish its regular season undefeated with an eighty two

1610
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 6: to fifty two win over North Central. Mount Vernon defeated

1611
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 6: Westfield sixty three fifty five. Also last night, Carmel defeated

1612
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 6: Christmas Addocks by his score of sixty to forty nine.

1613
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 3: Anything else you guys want to throw in?

1614
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1615
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 1: Shout out to KB ninety five.

1616
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 12: In the chat, said Adam Silvers thinks Michael Sert Shrewsbury

1617
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 12: should suck it up.

1618
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: I agree, get out there, cool coach. What are you doing?

1619
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: Mark? Kiss my ass?

1620
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 10: Uh?

1621
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 3: Saint Pete?

1622
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 7: Race for any car this weekend? I saw John Grutin

1623
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 7: gonna be the green flag waiver down there. So IndyCar

1624
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 7: season is going to open up here. Obviously a lot

1625
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 7: of storylines, certainly a year too remember for Alex Plow

1626
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 7: like none other, and a year to forget for Penske.

1627
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 12: So I can't tell you how far excited I am

1628
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:50,799
Speaker 12: to get out there and wave that flag.

1629
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 9: Open it up.

1630
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 3: Same, Pete, you got more? You got more?

1631
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 12: I'm gonna teach these guys Spider two why Banana? While

1632
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 12: I'm down there, I think that Alex below guy, he's

1633
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 12: a gunner man, he can get things done.

1634
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 9: He is crazy.

1635
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 3: That's pretty good, Mark, That is really good.

1636
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 7: I love your bellijack a lot, but that that Gruden

1637
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 7: is right up there.

1638
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: Thank you. Uh.

1639
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 6: One quick note before we move on and get to

1640
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 6: thad model moment. Did you see Lindsay Vaughan talking about

1641
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 6: almost losing that leg in the aftermath of the crash

1642
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 6: at the Olympics in the downhill yesterday?

1643
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 3: I did not know, she said, in a weird way.

1644
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 6: First of all, she said, she does not believe that

1645
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 6: the ACL impacted that misst gait, but the crash was

1646
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 6: so bad. What was fortunate because she went to the

1647
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 6: Olympics with the ACL. They brought her very highly touted

1648
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 6: surgeon on the trip. She said, if he hadn't been

1649
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 6: there to do the surgery in the aftermath because of

1650
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 6: compartmental syndrome, there was a real chance she would have

1651
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 6: lost the leg.

1652
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 3: How crazy is that? The aftermath that stuff?

1653
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 6: Wow, we'd been talking about Lindsay a lot right during

1654
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 6: the Olympics it before, and I thought, Man, there's do

1655
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 6: you talk about the PostScript for how that whole thing

1656
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 6: plays out. She feels that if they had not brought

1657
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 6: her surgeon, who's regarded as one of the best in

1658
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 6: the world, that they probably wouldn't have been able to

1659
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 6: save her leg because it was suffering severe compartmental syndrome.

1660
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 7: I'm more thinking about the ability to travel your doctor

1661
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 7: with you. I feel like trying to make a doctor

1662
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 7: playment's the hardest thing I can make.

1663
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 3: Well, become the best in the world of what you do,

1664
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 3: and they'll do that for you.

1665
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 9: That is true.

1666
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 8: I think about that all the time when like hockey

1667
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 8: players get their teeth knocked out, and I'm like, boy,

1668
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 8: if that happened to me, I might have to go

1669
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 8: toothless for about two weeks before I get somebody with

1670
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 8: who's in my network.

1671
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like, oh yeah, Johnny Firvizy and a surgical

1672
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 7: torn acl has been repaired by you know, this world

1673
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 7: class doctor. I'm like, man, I guess it pays to

1674
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 7: have some money, right.

1675
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 8: Well, we know, way, he did get his surgery done yesterday.

1676
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 8: That was a fifty announced with the Pacers, and it

1677
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 8: was lost in all the other you know news that

1678
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 8: Kevin was you know, poking the bear a little bit

1679
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 8: with Rick Carlisle. But yeah, I do want to mention

1680
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 8: that he had the surgery and now he is on

1681
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 8: the road to cover read.

1682
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 3: Good for him.

1683
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 6: That's that's good to hear because they they saw some

1684
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 6: good things out of him this year, and I think

1685
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 6: he's going to be a good, good person to have

1686
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 6: on that roster moving forward, obviously, So I just thought

1687
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 6: there were some interesting things there. To your point, though, Kevin,

1688
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,600
Speaker 6: we know that there's always doctors on on the sidelines

1689
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 6: for NFL games.

1690
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 3: You think they have a dentist out there too. They

1691
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 3: probably do, don't they. I don't think it every time

1692
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 3: they needed an eye doctor, as crazy as that sounds.

1693
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 7: Your vibes on the Anthony Richardson comments from yesterday, James,

1694
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 7: I know asked for some maybe some clarity, uh from

1695
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 7: some of those comments. But what did you hear in

1696
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 7: regards to Anthony Richardson in his future?

1697
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 9: My interpretation is it won't be here.

1698
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 8: I think when Chris Ballor gave his first answer when

1699
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 8: I asked directly does he have a future any does

1700
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 8: he have a future in Indianapolis? And he says he

1701
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 8: has a future. And I can't see what the future holds,

1702
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 8: my boy. I don't know if I want to hear

1703
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 8: that from the girlfriend in the future. Oh boy, what

1704
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 8: we got going on? We got plans? Oh well, we'll

1705
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 8: see what the future holes. Not great answer, Not a

1706
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 8: great answer. And then to follow up to that, when

1707
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 8: you're asking him directly, he just says, I believe in him.

1708
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 8: Well yeah, but like what does that exactly mean? He

1709
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 8: has no clear path to starting here, so I think

1710
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 8: that he likes Anthony as a person, probably selects him

1711
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 8: as a player. But once you're trying to, you know,

1712
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 8: get it all, what is it a multi year deal

1713
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 8: done with Daniel Jones and they continue to sing the

1714
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 8: praises of Riley Leonard? Are we gonna be sitting up

1715
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 8: here in the fall trying to see or in the

1716
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 8: summer try to see if there's QB two competition. That's

1717
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 8: unrealistic to me. So that's my interpretation everything that went

1718
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 8: down yesterday.

1719
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, my h My feel is Riley Leonard will be

1720
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 7: taking first team reps here in the spring, and then

1721
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 7: whenever Daniel Jones is back, he'll obviously, you know, take

1722
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 7: those starting reigns from there. I'll be curious see if

1723
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 7: they make a move for a veteran quarterback at all,

1724
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 7: you know, not even one of major substance, but just

1725
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 7: another arm. But you know how Richardson, I guess exits

1726
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 7: as weird as that might sound is I think of

1727
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 7: note to me? Because yes, James, I would echo what

1728
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 7: you heard as well. It does sound like this will

1729
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 7: be happening somewhere else. But like, what do you get

1730
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 7: for him? You know, it's a ten point eight million

1731
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 7: dollar cap pit for next season. That's a big capt

1732
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 7: and especially for a guy that you know, we'll see

1733
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 7: how other teams view him, but you know, obviously is

1734
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 7: not going to be the starter here in Indianapolis.

1735
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 6: I can't say that there's much of a market for

1736
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 6: him coming off that injury. At best modest success. I

1737
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 6: mean they were eight and seven when he was a

1738
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 6: starting quarterback. I don't know how much that had to

1739
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 6: do with him necessarily, Sometimes, what would you be willing

1740
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 6: to give up?

1741
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 3: If you were, you'd wait to see if he's on

1742
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 3: the open market.

1743
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 8: Right, his value at best, in my eyes is probably

1744
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 8: a fifth round pick at best.

1745
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean there are a lot of teams that have,

1746
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 7: you know, gobbles of day three picks. Yeah, But to me,

1747
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 7: you can't ignore the cap that's I mean, you know

1748
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 7: it's not just your You're getting the guy for whatever

1749
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 7: making you know, Riley Leonard makes ten times less than

1750
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson next year, which you know, when you kind

1751
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 7: of put in that light, I think it really stands out.

1752
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 9: And I make a hundred times list.

1753
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 6: They're a good backups Kevin that don't make that kind

1754
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 6: of money.

1755
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean there are some backup quarterbacks that make

1756
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 7: notable money, but yeah, ten point eight million, Yeah, I

1757
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 7: mean it would be definitely on the expensive.

1758
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 10: End for that.

1759
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 3: Do you mention Aidan Fisher?

1760
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, Aiden Fisher, you got some prospects speaking on the

1761
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 7: other side of the curtains if you're watching us right

1762
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 7: now on YouTube. That's what today we started to get into.

1763
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 7: I think a few more coaches and gms talk today,

1764
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 7: not many, but the defensive prospects will talk. Reminder from

1765
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 7: Ana Mendoza at eight o'clock tomorrow or excuse me, eight

1766
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 7: o'clock Friday, Mark, you say, Dane Brugler eight o'clock tomorrow

1767
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 7: to talk draft with.

1768
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 12: Us erect eight o'clock tomorrow for him and then eight

1769
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 12: o'clock on Friday for field eights.

1770
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 3: There we go, there we go.

1771
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 7: Thank you for that, Mark, And again Ballard will join

1772
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 7: a here live on set coming up nine to forty

1773
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 7: five today. And Jeff, you said we're telling the national

1774
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 7: people to kiss our you know what we're going in

1775
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:09,879
Speaker 7: at ten o'clock.

1776
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 6: We will talk to Chris Ballard until he's done talking

1777
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 6: to us.

1778
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 3: How about that, Well that could be kind of quick.

1779
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 9: Well, oh no, Brovian asks a wide receiver question.

1780
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: He's out.

1781
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

1782
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 9: I don't take our interview.

1783
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:24,879
Speaker 3: Is that it's Chris yesterday.

1784
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 7: I do very much appreciate his time with us, So

1785
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 7: thank you for.

1786
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 3: We got that.

1787
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Speaker 6: Mada, head coach of the Butler Bulldogs coming up right

1788
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 6: around the corner. Stay with us on ninety three five

1789
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 6: and one oh seven five.

1790
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Speaker 5: Live from the NFL Combine named downtown Indianapolis. You're listening

1791
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 5: to the fan morning show.

1792
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 6: Talk a little college basketball right now at that Mada

1793
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 6: gonna join us in a moment from UH Butler to

1794
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 6: talk about their game with Villanova tonight and how things

1795
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 6: are going down the stretch here. But Kevin's very possible

1796
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 6: that in fact probable at this point in time. I

1797
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 6: don't know, depending on what Indiana does over the next

1798
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 6: couple of games. With the final four being here, obviously,

1799
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 6: we don't think anybody other than Produce got a shot

1800
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 6: locally to get there. But it's gonna be the only

1801
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 6: tournament team from our area when it's all said and done.

1802
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean from a men's standpoint, you're gonna need

1803
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 7: one of these mid majors, I guess to go on

1804
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 7: a surprising run.

1805
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 3: You know, none of them. I think we're in a position.

1806
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 7: I'm talking the IU, Indy's, the ball State's ball State

1807
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 7: shout out. They got an overtime win, but they're not

1808
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 7: really in a position. Perdue, Fort Wayne, I think's having

1809
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 7: a decent year. But Indiana State, Evansville, Valpo and Greg

1810
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 7: Greikshaw can confirm this on Friday. It has been quite

1811
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 7: I think it's been over a decade since we've had

1812
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 7: a true mid major from Indiana make the tournament. And

1813
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 7: you think about it, we've got Valpo, Evansville, Indiana State, IU,

1814
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 7: Indy Ball State, Fort Wayne.

1815
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 3: Indiana State a couple of years ago. Right, No, they didn't.

1816
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 3: That's right now, boy, that's it sounded like you're twisting

1817
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 3: the knife there, Jo that I was thinking about it.

1818
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: They had that great season and they got left out.

1819
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 7: I'll let you two settle that. But yeah, I believe

1820
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 7: I think it is actually Indiana State. But you got

1821
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 7: to go back over a decade for the last time.

1822
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 7: So you know, I don't want to act like last

1823
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 7: night's loss just removes in like Indiana's just done done.

1824
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 7: But Michigan State on Sunday and at Ohio State that

1825
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 7: could be the real big one. If you look at

1826
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 7: bubbles right now, Ohio State is right there. So if

1827
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 7: you're talking about a game between two head to head

1828
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 7: bubble teams, particularly on the road, for Indiana, yeah, you know,

1829
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 7: if you somehow could get that, that would be huge.

1830
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: You know, maybe win one of the Big Ten tournaments.

1831
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 7: Well yeah, but their Big Ten tournament history is about

1832
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 7: as strong as me bringing well, I'll stop there.

1833
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 6: How much how much history do you count though? The

1834
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:45,879
Speaker 6: fact that everything's brand new? Coach players everything for Indiana

1835
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 6: this year?

1836
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 10: Do we?

1837
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 7: I mean they're following in the footsteps. It all looks

1838
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 7: the same to me. I mean, we have debated Indiana

1839
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 7: on the bubble for thirteen straight years here and now

1840
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:57,719
Speaker 7: we're doing it again.

1841
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 6: Let's head to the payless lookers hotline right now. The

1842
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 6: head coach of the Butler Bulldogs joins us stad Mata

1843
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 6: here on a Wednesday morning. Coach, I'm guessing you're waking

1844
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 6: up in Philadelphia this morning and get ready to go

1845
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 6: for a game tonight.

1846
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:10,719
Speaker 3: How you doing doing well.

1847
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 4: Out here in the city of brotherly Love?

1848
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 6: Are you feeling it? Are you feeling the love out there?

1849
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:17,639
Speaker 6: Getting ready for this game tonight?

1850
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 4: I am?

1851
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 10: I am.

1852
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 4: We're gonna need all again, that's for sure.

1853
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 6: How would you describe this season so far? For you know,

1854
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 6: as we head down the stretch, what's it been like

1855
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 6: for you as a coach to watch this group? The

1856
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 6: injuries you've had, the ups, the downs, losing streaks, winning streaks.

1857
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 6: How would you describe this amongst all the other seasons

1858
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 6: you've had in your career?

1859
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 3: What would you How would you say? This one's gone?

1860
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 10: I tell you it's funny to be Gavin.

1861
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 4: It's a bit of the day that this has been

1862
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 4: one of the most challenging seasons I've ever had. And

1863
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 4: it just from you know, I felt like when we

1864
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 4: broke camp this summer into the into the fall, the

1865
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 4: team had a chance to like being the civil A

1866
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 4: tournament team.

1867
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 10: I really did.

1868
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 4: And and uh, you know, we've come back from West

1869
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 4: Virginia and all of a sudden, Jalen's having a season

1870
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 4: any surgery, and but it did by the same token.

1871
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 4: That has been very gratifying because I think these guys

1872
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 4: is amazing how much they just continue to work, how

1873
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 4: much you know better they've got and you know, you

1874
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 4: look at guys and uh, just a growth that they made,

1875
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, from that perspective, it's been a

1876
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 4: really enjoyable season for me.

1877
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 3: Okay, two wins in a row for the Bulldogs. They

1878
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: are at.

1879
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 7: Villanova, very good Villanova team here coming up tonight seven o'clock. FS.

1880
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 7: One coach you saw this morning in the Annapolis Star,

1881
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 7: Kem Gilsbie, covers you guys for the Star. He spoke

1882
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 7: with Grant line Decker you're a d and mentioning there

1883
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 7: that you will be back. It sounds like the nil situation,

1884
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 7: you know, in the first three years wasn't where it

1885
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 7: needed to be for you, but this past year felt

1886
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 7: like it was in a much healthier spot. We've seen

1887
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 7: a lot of coaches, frankly, with your resume or of

1888
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 7: coach as long as you have maybe not want to

1889
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 7: experience this new era of how minor minor league basketball

1890
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 7: is probably the best way to put it, but this new

1891
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 7: air of college basketball, you clearly have wanted to get

1892
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 7: back into it and want to continue to do that?

1893
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 7: Why have you wanted? I would call it a challenge

1894
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,600
Speaker 7: that the new air of college basketball is.

1895
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:31,799
Speaker 4: It's definitely a challenge. And from this perspective, I'm enjoying

1896
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 4: what I'm doing, and you know, we've got great kids

1897
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 4: and I enjoyed being around them and that sort of thing.

1898
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 4: As long as we're going to continue to make surees

1899
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 4: to be competitive. That gives me a challenge. That gives me,

1900
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 4: uh some to wake up and say, Okay, we're in

1901
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 4: the game and you haven't made that way the entire time.

1902
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 4: There's there's no doubt about that.

1903
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 10: But I didn't.

1904
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 4: Grant's join that head of a job and you know,

1905
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 4: hopefully he can continue to help us to help Butler.

1906
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 8: Again, we're talking at that Mada head couch of the

1907
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 8: Butler men's basketball team.

1908
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 9: That along those lines.

1909
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 8: When you've been doing this for so long, what has

1910
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 8: changed throughout the years and what would you say or like, hey,

1911
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 8: every day that ends and why this is how it's

1912
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 8: going to be.

1913
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 10: The changes?

1914
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 4: How long are you guys are on this morning?

1915
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 3: We'll go forever for you, coach.

1916
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 4: It's different just in terms of how it used to

1917
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 4: be and that was building relationships, gaining trust and kids

1918
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 4: and their families, and you know, selling the academic benefits

1919
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 4: of what a university can do for a guy for

1920
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 4: the next forty years of his life. You know, you

1921
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 4: you would talk about the development to peace of what

1922
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 4: we're going to do different than everybody else in terms

1923
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 4: of making you the best player that you can possibly be,

1924
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 4: and those days that doesn't exist anymore. I think we

1925
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 4: almost some that does. But for the vast majority, it's

1926
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 4: it's how much money pay it. And you know, they

1927
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 4: all want the right situation. You know, nobody wants to

1928
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 4: have anybody else that's a position or anything like that.

1929
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 4: But but I do think the things that are the

1930
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 4: same is Hey, to night at seven o'clock I'm going

1931
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 4: to coach a basketball game. Our guys is going to

1932
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: play a game. And that to me is kind of

1933
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 4: the exciting part of it in terms of uh, prategizing,

1934
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:42,879
Speaker 4: coaching and doing the best.

1935
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 10: That we can.

1936
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 4: They'll know it's really good.

1937
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 10: We've got to play well.

1938
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 6: Nite talking to the coach the Butler Bulldogs that of

1939
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 6: course that Mata on the Payless Liquors hotline. When you

1940
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,640
Speaker 6: look at this type of this type of season and

1941
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 6: where you are this time of year, what's your emphasis

1942
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 6: to the players going to these life last few games

1943
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 6: and then getting ready for the Big East tournament.

1944
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 10: You know, honestly, keep.

1945
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 4: Getting better and have fun. Let's enjoy every day. And

1946
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 4: you know, like I've said, these guys come in every

1947
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 4: day to practice, and you know it's just right now,

1948
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 4: it's really hard for us to practice. It's the honest

1949
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 4: thing because we don't have enough guys and we can't

1950
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 4: get anybody else injured. So we we do a ton

1951
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 4: of during and coover years against the Scout team and

1952
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 4: like a lot of five on OHO. But you let's

1953
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 4: let's enjoy this. We things haven't gone the way we

1954
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 4: don't thought they were going to, but we're getting better.

1955
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 4: Enjoy it and see what we can do.

1956
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 7: That last one from me, and I know you guys

1957
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 7: have a home game coming up next week, but you

1958
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 7: honored your seniors, uh in that Xavier game and what

1959
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 7: Michael ja has brought it. I know you've touched on

1960
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 7: it a couple of different times with us here, but

1961
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 7: you know from Afar and I go back to the

1962
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 7: Providence game, you know, your first Big East game of

1963
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 7: the year when he got on the floor and double overtime,

1964
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 7: you know, you got that ball out to Evan Haywood

1965
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 7: for the three. It just seems like he has, you know,

1966
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 7: really stood for a lot of what you want to

1967
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 7: be about from an efforts standpoint, and I assume that's

1968
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 7: hugely beneficial when your best player shows up type effort.

1969
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 4: Well, there's no question. And Michael has been an Asian

1970
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 4: from of the ages, got here and and you know,

1971
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 4: he just he's relentless in his work ethic. He wants

1972
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 4: to he wants to play this game for a long

1973
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 4: time at the highest level. And U you know, just

1974
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 4: from you know, I think teams are leading scorer, but

1975
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 4: sat leading scorer, leading rebounder. He leaves it in the sift.

1976
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 4: He leaves the skills.

1977
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 10: You just.

1978
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 4: It's amazing the passion that he plays with. And we

1979
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 4: ask him like, hey, by the way, we needed to

1980
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 4: score and rebound him, but you also have to guard

1981
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 4: the other team's best player for forty minutes. It just

1982
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 4: doesn't and you know, he's, uh, We've been blessed to

1983
01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 4: have there's no doubt about that.

1984
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 8: Last one from me that and along those same lines

1985
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 8: about Michael Ja when you're trying to find a guy

1986
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 8: like him in the portal and you know, like you said,

1987
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 8: the money is a factor, and you know the fit

1988
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 8: and my opportunity, but what kind of tells you that

1989
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 8: beyond some of.

1990
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 9: The maybe superficial things.

1991
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 8: I don't want to act like money superficial because we

1992
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 8: probably all will like a little bit more of it,

1993
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 8: but maybe along those lines, what stands out to what

1994
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 8: trait do you look for to find guys like that

1995
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 8: that you can point at even a season like this

1996
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 8: where you might have struted a little bit, but you

1997
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 8: can point to the next people that are coming in

1998
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 8: and say, hey, if you want an opportunity to be

1999
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 8: like that guy, here's our need from you.

2000
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think there's Michael as of, a

2001
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 4: really really good agent and they were looking for the

2002
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 4: right situation for him to come in and make an impact,

2003
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 4: And you feel like they wanted the right fit because

2004
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 4: is Habit Pepperdine gun Zaga. He went to Gunzaga and

2005
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 4: they had like three guys like him, and obviously we

2006
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 4: didn't have three guys like him. And I think he's

2007
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 4: come in and came in and done a really good

2008
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 4: job of utilizing what we needed, but he's also gotten better.

2009
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 4: He's a better player when he started the season.

2010
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 9: Coach.

2011
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Speaker 3: Always good to talk to you. Good luck tonight.

2012
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 6: We'll be listening for you here at ninety three five

2013
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Speaker 6: and one to seven five to the fan. We appreciate

2014
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 6: you being here every week and we'll talk to you soon.

2015
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 4: Hi guys, every day.

2016
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2017
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2018
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2020
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2022
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Speaker 6: In the next hour, we'll talk to Chris Ballard. We're

2023
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,799
Speaker 6: live from the Combine. We'll have more on Rick Carlisle

2024
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 6: and the Facers, his little uh dust up with the NBA.

2025
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 6: Some of your comments is well two, three, nine, ten

2026
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 6: seventy coming your way next at ninety three five and

2027
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 6: one of seven five the fan.

2028
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 3: Woo my.

2029
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 5: Live from the NFL Combine in downtown Indianapolis. You're listening

2030
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 5: to the Fan morning show.

2031
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 4: Who at Yeah, Bianna all righter to look at you?

2032
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 12: Mark Dyton, do you know why I'm playing any of this?

2033
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 12: Happy anniversary boys, it's the one year anniversary. Who there

2034
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 12: we go getting off the ground.

2035
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 3: There are we off the ground? We're good.

2036
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: I think we are off the ground, James boys.

2037
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 3: Great doing well?

2038
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know I came here. I came to conquer.

2039
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 8: You know, I'm getting off the total.

2040
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 3: Poll king of all media, right, yeah, man, you.

2041
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 9: Know, thank you for our opportunities fellas.

2042
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 3: No, it's going to keep the ego in there. It's

2043
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 3: actually going very well. So to me, be a.

2044
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 8: Humble is for losers and broke people. That's the story

2045
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 8: of life, man, the breaking news here on the show.

2046
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 3: I like it. Happy anniversary to you too, Mark Dyke.

2047
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 3: And we didn't get you anything.

2048
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: That's okay, Kevin b I'm not I got.

2049
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 3: Him not Haymon? Oh is that what that was for? Now?

2050
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: Well, you're venmo this morning about forty five?

2051
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 3: Did you thank you for that?

2052
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 9: I was like so sorry, but your mic is cutting off.

2053
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 4: Mark.

2054
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 9: I to hear that part.

2055
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 3: How's that work?

2056
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 6: You get somebody in anniversary president, but then you expect

2057
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 6: a venmo back in return.

2058
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 9: And here's the balance.

2059
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 12: Oh, it's a new quarterback for the Browns who we

2060
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 12: got now the boy they're making moves.

2061
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 3: That's what we do right there.

2062
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 6: Justin writing in on the fan text line this morning

2063
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 6: in two, three, nine, ten seventy, he says, Lol, I

2064
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 6: just have to say, we all hear that the Colts

2065
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 6: have all these really good players. When does it actually

2066
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 6: translate to the field and become a good team.

2067
01:31:59,600 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 3: Lol.

2068
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 6: I just feel like we don't want to say truly

2069
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 6: anything bad and we're just gonna end up with the

2070
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 6: same results next year or the next two. Well, certainly

2071
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 6: there are good players that the Colts have, and there

2072
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 6: are certain spots where there's more depth than others, But

2073
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 6: it gets right back down to the two positions that

2074
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 6: make a big difference in the NFL. James Boyd quarterback

2075
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,799
Speaker 6: has been an issue, whether it was injury or otherwise.

2076
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 6: Last year and leading up to Daniel Jones it was

2077
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 6: a revolving Dora guys since Andrew Luck and no pass

2078
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,640
Speaker 6: rush from the defensive end area. That's really where the

2079
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 6: problems have been. But Kevin, you you highlighted what I

2080
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 6: think Shane Stikeen called what could be an elite secondary yesterday.

2081
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 6: Always get a lot of credit for the offensive line,

2082
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor obviously gets a lot of love. We like

2083
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 6: what's happened with Michael Pittman Junior and Alec Pierce. But

2084
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 6: to his point, when does that translate into getting too

2085
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 6: the postseason?

2086
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's obviously been a question now of a five

2087
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 7: year playoff drout and you know eleven, I mean, we

2088
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 7: can go endlessly and you know, it does sound like

2089
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 7: the tone of the off season as we start to

2090
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 7: turn the page. So that is that if it's a

2091
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 7: front and again injecting some speed specifically into that group.

2092
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:14,600
Speaker 7: You know, James, I thought you pointed out well and

2093
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 7: Ballor definitely agreed of, Like, you know, it's not like

2094
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 7: you can just get younger everywhere, especially when you don't

2095
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 7: have a first round pick.

2096
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 3: You know.

2097
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was driving me crazy thinking about that.

2098
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean they don't pick till forty seven. And

2099
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 7: you know one thing that Ballad mentioned and you know

2100
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 7: he oftentimes jokes about trading back, like you know, he

2101
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 7: jokes about it. He was rather committal to it yesterday

2102
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 7: where he yeah, there was a good chance we will

2103
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 7: trade back. It's something we haven't mentioned yet, but I

2104
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 7: can't recall in his now ten combines where he's been

2105
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 7: maybe that committal of that coming, like, yeah, we'll probably

2106
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 7: trade back.

2107
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2108
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 8: I thought he was thinking of us being in that

2109
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 8: media room over at the complex when we're tired of

2110
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 8: each other on Day three and wanting to make us

2111
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 8: sit there just a little bit longer and type up

2112
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 8: a few is a little bit longer.

2113
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 9: But I look at it like this, Kevin.

2114
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 8: The trading back gives you more darts at the board

2115
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 8: to perhaps, you know, get more talent obviously, but part

2116
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,799
Speaker 8: of me is like, man, if you were as close

2117
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 8: as you all say you were, Like, if all of

2118
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 8: you are kind of evaluating this team based off the

2119
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 8: first ten games, then is it crazy for me to

2120
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 8: suggest that maybe you can look at moving on from

2121
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 8: some future draft capital to you already have. But I mean, like,

2122
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 8: you would you pair a I don't know, a Day three,

2123
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 8: Day two pick for next year or whatever to move

2124
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 8: up in this year's draft, Like, in my opinion, like,

2125
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 8: what are they actually trying to target and go after

2126
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 8: this year? Because if you tell us, okay, well, we

2127
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 8: were eight and two, we were pretty good. That's fine,

2128
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 8: but you finished eight to nine. So are you the team?

2129
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 8: That's what Ballard said, and we'll press them on to

2130
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 8: here on the show for sure the time, were you

2131
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 8: the top fourteen that you said you were that first half?

2132
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 8: And how close are you to being that now that

2133
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 8: you try to bring everybody back or Lea's bringing bring

2134
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 8: back some of the big pieces of Ally Pierson, Daniel Jones,

2135
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 8: or is it a bigger runway to rebuild this team,

2136
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 8: because in my opinion, we cannot be going into next

2137
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 8: year and in the fall and I'm hearing you say, well,

2138
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 8: we're we're building, or we're retooling, or we'll we're we're

2139
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 8: gonna see what we are like. Man, you got to

2140
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 8: be saying we need to be in contention. I mean,

2141
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 8: it's ten years of is and in five years and

2142
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:32,759
Speaker 8: not any playoffs, So I know what that's no GM

2143
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:35,840
Speaker 8: and no coach Jeff is going to commit to saying that.

2144
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 8: But gosh darn it, man, what else are you playing

2145
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 8: for at this point?

2146
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 6: Well, you look at the Division two. We talk about

2147
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 6: this over and over. Clearly Jacksonville took a step forward

2148
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 6: last last year. And maybe Trevor Lawrence is the franchise

2149
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 6: quarterback they've been looking for forever. Liam Cone did a

2150
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 6: nice job of getting them a big step forward. The

2151
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 6: Texans they have who they think is their quarterback. They

2152
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 6: have rific defense, I think, a pretty good head coach,

2153
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 6: and you know the Titans, who knows what they are

2154
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 6: doing and how long it's going to take them to

2155
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 6: kind of get back into the mix. And at the

2156
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 6: first you know, in the first nine to ten games

2157
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 6: of the season last year, we thought, Okay, the Colts

2158
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 6: are here, they're competitive, and then injuries and it all

2159
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 6: just fell away and all those things. But at the

2160
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 6: end of the day, when you start this twenty twenty

2161
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 6: six season, Jacksonville didn't go anywhere. Texans didn't go anywhere.

2162
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 6: And we have so many questions about the Colts Kevin

2163
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 6: and what are we saying a year from now, Well,

2164
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 6: we're back here next year for our second anniversary.

2165
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 3: What are we saying about the Colts? Then, what's the

2166
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 3: best case scenario?

2167
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 6: Daniel Jones comes back healthy, they get Alec Pearce to

2168
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,839
Speaker 6: have a tremendous year, the secondary stays healthy, and somehow

2169
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 6: in the draft they find an edge Rusher, Is that

2170
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 6: what's all going to happen?

2171
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 7: I just love the Philip Rivers rendition there from James

2172
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 7: Boyd giving us a gosh darn it. I thought that

2173
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 7: was very well learned. He sounded like an SEC football coach.

2174
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 8: He sounded like, yeah, I still got a little bit

2175
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 8: of that Sunday School in me from Grandma.

2176
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 3: Getting ready for it.

2177
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 7: You know, to go back, James, you brought up the

2178
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 7: draft and trade up or trade back or you know,

2179
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 7: do you trade future pick?

2180
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 9: How aggressive are you? Yeah?

2181
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 7: I think a lot of your aggression is going to

2182
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 7: have to come in the next few weeks. And again

2183
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 7: that is going to have to involve the likelihood of

2184
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 7: a restructuring some contracts or just flat out cutting guys,

2185
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 7: which would be very foreign to Chris Ballard uh and

2186
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 7: how he is operated here through the first nine years

2187
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 7: of his you know, GM resume. But you know, trading up,

2188
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 7: I mean you just said you already don't have your

2189
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 7: first round pick for next year.

2190
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 9: All right, Well here here's here.

2191
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 7: Carl Rose Gordon. Are you gonna say, hey, yeah, go ahead,

2192
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 7: trade next year second round pick. While you're at it,

2193
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 7: You're gonna leave a new GM. No first second, like,

2194
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 7: and then I hear him say trade back yesterday, and

2195
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 7: I'm like, at some point there is enough of the

2196
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 7: trading back. There is a you have got to sit

2197
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 7: there at whatever forty seven overall or where they're at

2198
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 7: in the third round and say, all right, this is

2199
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:58,639
Speaker 7: the quality of a dart as.

2200
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 3: We're gonna get. We need to hit on it.

2201
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 7: We need to identify and we need to make that pick.

2202
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 7: The constant trading back has gotten you where to this point,

2203
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 7: and I think there are times as a franchise where

2204
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 7: maybe your overall fifty three man roster needs more depth

2205
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 7: into the trading back element makes some sense, but I

2206
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 7: don't think that's the situation that you're in right now.

2207
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 8: So here's my question, and I've thought about this with

2208
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 8: Chris ballat going to the final year of his contract.

2209
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,640
Speaker 8: There's no guarantee he'll be brought back next year. We

2210
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:34,640
Speaker 8: say that every year and then he's here. But for

2211
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 8: what it's worth, he's going into the final years contract

2212
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,600
Speaker 8: for the first time since he's been in Indianapolis.

2213
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 9: That's part of it.

2214
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 8: The other part is, Okay, if this is his last

2215
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 8: year here, how aggressive does he want to be with

2216
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 8: the team. That he's already built as of right now,

2217
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 8: versus since you already give up two first round picks.

2218
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 9: In my mind, I'm thinking.

2219
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 8: The hard reset for this franchise needs to happen in

2220
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 8: twenty twenty eight when you get all your picks back,

2221
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 8: because and I'm not saying I'm out of here. I'm

2222
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 8: gonna have another year in twenty twenty seven. But I

2223
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 8: think they're kind of like in this weird if there's

2224
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 8: a question in there, but like what is the balance

2225
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 8: of that he's a weird final year, but also as

2226
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 8: a franchise in twenty twenty eight, that to me is

2227
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 8: probably the best opportunity to restart, because twenty twenty seven

2228
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 8: is a weird year to me, Like, you already have

2229
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 8: this team, you give my first round picks, you're kind

2230
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 8: of pigeonholed into twenty twenty eight anyway. But your GM's

2231
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 8: going into his last, you know year. So if you

2232
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:35,560
Speaker 8: do a higher new GM next year, how long of

2233
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 8: a wrong way do you give them when they don't

2234
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 8: have anything until twenty twenty eight?

2235
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 9: Like that, to me is probably the question.

2236
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,719
Speaker 3: Here's another question for you, Kevin. They're in a weird spot.

2237
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 3: What if this.

2238
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 6: Year, they don't win the division, but they do make

2239
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 6: a wild card game and they're losing the wild card.

2240
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 6: Is that enough for Carli or say Gordon to say, hey,

2241
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 6: we've made strides, We're moving forward.

2242
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I hate to cop out of that.

2243
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 7: To obviously see how it plays out, you know, what

2244
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 7: a exactly you know, how do you get into the postseason?

2245
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 7: How does Daniel Jones play? So on and so forth? You know,

2246
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 7: I think I made my stance pretty clear a few

2247
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 7: months ago. To me, I don't think two months should

2248
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 7: override eight years, but it did. So now fast forward

2249
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:21,320
Speaker 7: to next year. You know, if you go whatever ten

2250
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 7: and seven and make the wildcard. To your point, now

2251
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 7: you're weighing, you know, one year based off the rest

2252
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:31,719
Speaker 7: of the resume. To me, like if Mike Woodson would

2253
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 7: have randomly made the tournament late in his IU ten year,

2254
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 7: would that have all of a sudden mean he gets

2255
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 7: the grace of three or four more years at it? Like?

2256
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:41,839
Speaker 7: To me, I don't. I think when you're a decade

2257
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 7: into a sports position, like Chris Boward is, there's a

2258
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 7: whole lot of the resume you have to go off

2259
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 7: of where one year to me, doesn't all of a

2260
01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 7: sudden evaporate everything else. So and in particularly, I think

2261
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 7: it's awkward James, because I think league wide the Ballard

2262
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,439
Speaker 7: Stike in Dynamic is viewed very diferently. I think Shange

2263
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:03,679
Speaker 7: second is viewed in a much higher light league wide

2264
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 7: than Chris Ballard would be in terms of finding another job.

2265
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 7: So I think that's another element that is awkward of

2266
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 7: Steichens year ten and Balladier excuse me, seconds year four

2267
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 7: and Ballads year ten to it all.

2268
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just how close are you?

2269
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 8: That's the question that Chris Ballard, Shane Stigen they never

2270
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:29,679
Speaker 8: really want to answer.

2271
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 9: And I get it.

2272
01:41:30,160 --> 01:41:33,759
Speaker 8: You don't want to pin yourself down in February, But again,

2273
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 8: you have won nothing over the last five years. How

2274
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 8: long is too long to build the runway? And again

2275
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 8: those ten games are great. I don't want to dismiss

2276
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 8: that they had an historic offense, but you are banking

2277
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,719
Speaker 8: on a quarterback who doesn't stay healthy, to stay healthy

2278
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:55,680
Speaker 8: coming off of Achilles, You're banking on a team that

2279
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:59,760
Speaker 8: doesn't have a defensive end outside of Latu that's worth

2280
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 8: here on the show, Like, those are the types of

2281
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 8: things where I'm like how do you figure it out

2282
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 8: when again you say you were close, how do you

2283
01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 8: push forward? Because you know how I'm forgiving the NFL

2284
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 8: is you can think you're close one year and you

2285
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 8: can fall off a cliff the next. So I just

2286
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 8: wonder again how much of that the eight and to

2287
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,680
Speaker 8: start over the first ten games was a mirage or

2288
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:25,559
Speaker 8: was it not? Because Chris Ballad said it wasn't. Shane

2289
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 8: Styken said that gives him hope. Carl Er said, Gordon

2290
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:32,719
Speaker 8: gave Ballot probably was a chance to remain here based

2291
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 8: off ten games. You need seventeen to get to the playoffs,

2292
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:39,800
Speaker 8: and obviously, in my mind, probably more than that. Like

2293
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 8: you said, you were contender, you were top fourteen when

2294
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 8: you were eight and two.

2295
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 9: Where are you now?

2296
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 7: Well, the whole close debate, this is where I do

2297
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 7: struggle with it. I look around here and I see, Oh,

2298
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 7: there's a table of Kansas City Chiefs. There's a table

2299
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 7: the Baltimore Ravens. Oh there's a table of Cincinnati Bengals, Mahomes, Burrow,

2300
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 7: all three of them.

2301
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 3: Watch the playoffs this year.

2302
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 7: You think those franchises are saying that we're still close,

2303
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 7: you know, I mean Peyton Manning win six and ten

2304
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 7: and his fourth year, Like, it's not that far fetch

2305
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 7: right to have a bump in the road a year.

2306
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 7: And obviously some injuries in particular played into several of

2307
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 7: those quarterback situations there. So you know, that's where the

2308
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 7: NFL is always the great league to where what since

2309
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety when the NFL playoffs expanded, we've had four

2310
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 7: new playoff teams every single year. Look at what New

2311
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 7: England was last year or two years ago, and look

2312
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 7: at where they are. You know, Seattle doesn't fall into

2313
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:36,799
Speaker 7: that same category, but it's not like they were a

2314
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 7: you know, double digit win team necessarily in in recent years.

2315
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's the league that provides great opportunity, but

2316
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 7: at the same time, it's a league that really tests

2317
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 7: you and proving yourself every single year. And so that's

2318
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:52,880
Speaker 7: where you know, the how close it's like, okay, maybe

2319
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 7: you are, maybe you aren't. But we also have a

2320
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:58,679
Speaker 7: nine year resumeting off of it, where nine year resume

2321
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:03,440
Speaker 7: is year division titles, one playoff win, two playoff appearances.

2322
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 6: Piggyback off what you were saying too, you talk about

2323
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:09,599
Speaker 6: the quarterbacks that didn't even make the playoffs, you got

2324
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 6: Josh Allen with another disappointment. So earlier we're talking about

2325
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:17,599
Speaker 6: trying to get past Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence, trying

2326
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 6: to get past Houston and CJ.

2327
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 3: Stroud.

2328
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 6: You gotta figure three of those four, if not all four,

2329
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:25,439
Speaker 6: are gonna be right back in the.

2330
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:27,759
Speaker 3: Mix again on top of your division of the AFC.

2331
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 7: Right, I think I've said this now for the last

2332
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 7: couple of years, but I've never seen the AFC with

2333
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 7: this much depth in it. You know, when you look

2334
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 7: at the conference as a whole, and Drake May, New

2335
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 7: England certainly now feel very much in that category. But

2336
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:45,800
Speaker 7: when you look at you know, certainly the West, whether

2337
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 7: you look at Kansas City, look at Denver, look at

2338
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 7: the Chargers, I mean, that is a legit three team division.

2339
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 7: You look at the North, I know they all kind

2340
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 7: of cannibize each other seemingly on a year and year

2341
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 7: on basis, But Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Baltimore are three teams.

2342
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,719
Speaker 7: The AFC South. It's probably the deepest we've talked about

2343
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 7: this division.

2344
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 3: In quite some time.

2345
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 7: With where Houston and Jacksonville and again Indy's not that

2346
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 7: you know, they're not some basement team like Tennessee. AFC

2347
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 7: East maybe lacks a little bit more from a depth standpoint,

2348
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 7: but I just think as a whole, this conference has

2349
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 7: some legit, you know, ten eleven team depth, which is

2350
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 7: not something that I think we've said, you know, when

2351
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 7: you have the Rivers Roethlisberger, Manning, Brady era, I think

2352
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 7: there was a little bit of a fall off to it.

2353
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 7: Now you might lack the truly truly elite teams, but

2354
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot of the second tier depth

2355
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 7: to it that makes it challenging to, you know, try

2356
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 7: and be a playoff team.

2357
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:49,519
Speaker 6: Man, a lot of work to do, because it's not

2358
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 6: just about the AFC South when you just line them

2359
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:54,559
Speaker 6: all up like that.

2360
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,639
Speaker 7: Well, and this is the other thing, like the Colts

2361
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 7: had a great first two months of the Sea James,

2362
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 7: You've just pointed out a lot here over the last

2363
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 7: five ten minutes of you know, who are you really?

2364
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 7: Are you the top four team or are you whatever?

2365
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,640
Speaker 7: The team that missed the playoffs When the season was

2366
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,719
Speaker 7: over and we went through seventeen games in eighteen weeks,

2367
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 7: the Colts missed winning their division by five games. Five games,

2368
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 7: You know how many five games is in a seventeen

2369
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 7: game schedule. They missed making the playoffs by three games.

2370
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 7: That's a lot when you consider seventeen. This is not

2371
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three. This is not twenty twenty three where

2372
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,880
Speaker 7: you're a Gardner Minshew Tyler Goodson completion away from maybe

2373
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 7: making the playoffs. That that was not one of those

2374
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 7: seasons as great as the first two months were you

2375
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 7: fell off Niagara Falls. And that is where I just

2376
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 7: I have no idea how Ballard is going to answer

2377
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 7: a question of how close you are? But to me,

2378
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:55,720
Speaker 7: it's like, well, you missed the playoffs, you missed the

2379
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,679
Speaker 7: division by five games, you missed the wild Guard by three.

2380
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 7: My eyes based off that would say you're not very close.

2381
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:04,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, And perhaps the better question is just who are you?

2382
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 8: And I get that's open ended and kind of vague

2383
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 8: in nature, but it's on purpose, like who exactly are you?

2384
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 9: Because because we can tell you.

2385
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 7: Is that another high school basketball song they used the

2386
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 7: opposing team?

2387
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 4: Oh?

2388
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:24,559
Speaker 9: Absolutely, Oh I told you I think that half to now.

2389
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 7: I want to take them out, bring them out.

2390
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 8: You know, Well, we'll shove the ballad conversation because he's

2391
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 8: gonna be here on the show in about thirty minutes.

2392
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 3: Now.

2393
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 9: I'm on a tangent.

2394
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 8: When I go to these basketball games and I see

2395
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 8: like the kids run out, I can already tell whether

2396
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 8: they have an updated audio system or not because the

2397
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 8: updated ones. Oh, I'm hearing all these songs that just

2398
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 8: came out because it's probably Bluetooth. The ones ain't updated.

2399
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 8: I guarantee you the disc that some kid burned fifteen

2400
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:57,000
Speaker 8: years ago is still in there on lime wire. Yeah, exactly.

2401
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 8: And they just hit play and they play the same

2402
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:00,880
Speaker 8: ten songs. I mean, I can go back to my

2403
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:02,840
Speaker 8: high school probably right now, and they're playing the same

2404
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:03,599
Speaker 8: songs that I burned.

2405
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 7: System when no matter you're the new king of media.

2406
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:12,759
Speaker 8: I went to public high school, they'll be fine.

2407
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 7: Are you a fan of when the cheerleaders on veil

2408
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 7: the starters last names on the big signs.

2409
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's I'm also a big fan of.

2410
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 8: And shout out to the Gary schools. The Gary school cheerleaders.

2411
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 8: One they got the best rhythm and then two they

2412
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 8: got the pettiest chance. I mean, you get the whole

2413
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 8: the rebound, that basketball and all that they had. Like

2414
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 8: I betoo poo boo boo, I bet you shoot a

2415
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 8: break boot stop.

2416
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 9: I'm like, let's go Like, I like that better, Like, yeah,

2417
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:40,679
Speaker 9: you shoot that brick.

2418
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 3: I think.

2419
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 6: The thing that's crazy to me when you go to

2420
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 6: some of these games the last several years is how

2421
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 6: many of these arenas now have there?

2422
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 7: You go see big digital video for its now above

2423
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 7: right above it.

2424
01:48:54,600 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're coming Big Friday.

2425
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:01,799
Speaker 3: Mark is always on it. Now I will I will add.

2426
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:03,639
Speaker 8: Again this song will be played in every high school

2427
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 8: gym in Indiana probably in America.

2428
01:49:05,320 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 7: The one thing I do get nervous when the cheerleaders

2429
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,120
Speaker 7: do the you know last name of the starters, did

2430
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 7: head coach and form cheerleading coach if there is a

2431
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,240
Speaker 7: starting lineup change?

2432
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 3: Was that?

2433
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 10: Was?

2434
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 3: That?

2435
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:16,680
Speaker 7: Was that part of the agendas too?

2436
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 3: Do they go maybe they have to go check At

2437
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 3: the beginning of the game.

2438
01:49:19,479 --> 01:49:22,360
Speaker 7: Shane Steichen's calling Kelly Tilly for the Colts to make

2439
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,640
Speaker 7: sure that, you know, Rick Carlisle's got the head of

2440
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 7: the Pacemates alerted, you know, just in case they're that

2441
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 7: they make sure they have that change.

2442
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 6: It's wonderful stuff. Chris Ballard is on the way about

2443
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 6: a half hour from now. In the meantime, let's check

2444
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 6: it down.

2445
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2449
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Speaker 3: So, James, what is your ultimate high school basketball jam?

2450
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 9: Ultimate high school basketball jam? That's a good question.

2451
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:02,360
Speaker 3: Let me get back Eddy.

2452
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,040
Speaker 7: We ready, that's on that one.

2453
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 9: I haven't thought about it. What's the on for eminem

2454
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 9: like palm?

2455
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,080
Speaker 7: Yes? Yourself? Well, I mean I think till I collapse,

2456
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 7: it's probably more of the good. Can I get some

2457
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 7: till I collapse? Mark dykedon for thereself? Yes, that's more

2458
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 7: of the big time anthem. But obviously lose yourself.

2459
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 3: I mean there's no better song outfits all right.

2460
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 6: We are at the Combine, Day two in the twenty

2461
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 6: twenty sixth edition. Yesterday, Shane stikeen Chris Ballard meeting with

2462
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 6: the media. We'll talk to Chris Ballard a little bit

2463
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 6: later on. If you miss Shane Steiken's conversation with JMB

2464
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:37,160
Speaker 6: last night, go to one to seven five the fan

2465
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 6: dot com. You can re listen to that anytime you'd like.

2466
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:43,640
Speaker 6: It your convenience. Big questions for for Chris Ballard, what

2467
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 6: are you gonna do uh with Michael Pittman? What are

2468
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 6: you gonna do with Mooney Ward? Is he gonna play again?

2469
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:51,759
Speaker 6: Anthony Richardson's a big question? Do you tag Alec Pierce?

2470
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:55,879
Speaker 6: What's the deal with resigning Daniel Jones? Is it foregone

2471
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 6: conclusion that he wants to be here and you want

2472
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:01,040
Speaker 6: him here? Is it that simple with Daniels? Or like

2473
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 6: James was saying earlier, everybody wants a little bit more money, Kevin,

2474
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 6: what do you do there?

2475
01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2476
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 7: I a getting the big news item from yesterday. It

2477
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 7: sounds like all indications, according to Chris Ballard are the

2478
01:51:10,160 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 7: Chaveri's Ward will play in twenty twenty six and on

2479
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,759
Speaker 7: paper a Sauce Gardner, Javerius Ward, Kenny Moore. Than second,

2480
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,880
Speaker 7: we'll see about Justin Wally coming off the torn acl

2481
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 7: that's a pretty good cornerback group. Now there's context with it,

2482
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 7: as we've touched on. But I thought that was the

2483
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 7: biggest news item from yesterday.

2484
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 6: All right, So we'll go through that a little bit

2485
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,880
Speaker 6: later on today. As the combine continues. NBA patures on

2486
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 6: the floor losing to the Sixers last night one thirty five,

2487
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 6: one fourteen, despite the mighty Micah Potter twenty three points

2488
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 6: on eleven of thirteen shooting. I just want to make

2489
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 6: sure he gets his due today because I don't know

2490
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 6: how often we're gonna be able to say Micah Poter.

2491
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:44,240
Speaker 3: Potter scored twenty three.

2492
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 8: Patients lose there four straight, worst record in the Eastern Conference.

2493
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:49,840
Speaker 3: Trying to be positive here, James, you.

2494
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:52,240
Speaker 8: Got to give us a spin before the show's over. Jeff, Well,

2495
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 8: actually you have your laptop. I gotta go take a

2496
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:56,599
Speaker 8: don dot com and go a little spin in here.

2497
01:51:56,680 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 6: I will figure that one out today. Six of eleven

2498
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,919
Speaker 6: from three point range to begin the game for the Pacers.

2499
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 6: One of their next twenty one Kevin couldn't hit the

2500
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 6: broadside of a barn in the second half.

2501
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 7: No Dwellingbie did play for the Sixers. For those that care,

2502
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 7: so Hornets tomorrow night. Right now, the Pacers still in

2503
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 7: that top three again. If you're in the top three

2504
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 7: year odds fifty two chance to maintain a top four pick.

2505
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 8: Well, I just lost it in my simulator. Pagers got

2506
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:24,720
Speaker 8: the fifth pick.

2507
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:29,760
Speaker 6: Okay, right to La goes the highest one we've had

2508
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 6: in the last week was second James.

2509
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 3: We did have an instance where they picked second.

2510
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,759
Speaker 7: Nervous I got to hear James, I'm sorry, Mark Adam

2511
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 7: Silver's putting some water in those pacers ping pong balls.

2512
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,760
Speaker 3: After Rick Carlile comments yesterday.

2513
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 6: Rick Carlisle speaking with The Fan Morning Show yesterday talking

2514
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 6: about his dissatisfaction with the way the NBA not only

2515
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,640
Speaker 6: handed out a one hundred thousand dollars fine to the

2516
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 6: pacers for essentially tanking, but then the the NBA felt

2517
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 6: the need after it circulated. You put it out on

2518
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 6: social media, it circulated, the NBA was kind of tacted

2519
01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 6: by James Boyd and the athletic for response, and then

2520
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 6: they said basically what James.

2521
01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 8: More or lessed what Rick said was inaccurate and that

2522
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 8: they follow all of their protocols to a t. So

2523
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 8: of course the NBA is not going to say something

2524
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 8: wrong with their own investigation, right Well.

2525
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,599
Speaker 6: The craziest thing, according to Rick, was that the NBA

2526
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 6: was like, could you have medicated?

2527
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think maybe in the.

2528
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:25,720
Speaker 7: Side before we get to ballad we can kind of

2529
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:27,720
Speaker 7: double back on this for our audience that hasn't joined

2530
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 7: us yet. I know we hit on it a lot

2531
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:30,639
Speaker 7: the seven thirty segment, but just kind of go over

2532
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 7: the statement an additional time and exactly where, if any

2533
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:36,440
Speaker 7: there are holes.

2534
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 3: Which there are.

2535
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 6: College basketball last night, how would you characterize Northwestern seventy

2536
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 6: two sixty eight win over Indiana?

2537
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:44,479
Speaker 3: James?

2538
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:48,160
Speaker 8: I will say Indiana play with their food there at

2539
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 8: the end, but they got screwed at the end as well.

2540
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 8: Can I miss that call? Whoever missed that call? Seriously,

2541
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 8: that official needs to be recommended in some way. That's

2542
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 8: that's that's egregious.

2543
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 6: Looked like a clear foul against the non shooting hand.

2544
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 6: Looked like a hand on the wrist of Tucker Devreeze's

2545
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 6: he went up to try and tie that.

2546
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 8: Way wack jam like that. He would be yelling at me,

2547
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 8: we make you walk home now, he make me walk

2548
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 8: home now. I got my own car work hard for that.

2549
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 9: Jeff.

2550
01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 7: It's funny when I you got the strong whistle at

2551
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:16,719
Speaker 7: the end of the Wisconsin game, I thought to myself,

2552
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 7: when is this going to come back the other way?

2553
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 7: And last night I think was probably that moment. There

2554
01:54:22,920 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 7: just an awful sequence there late with Lamar Wilkerson throwing

2555
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 7: an alley if the Sam Alexis turns into a Nick

2556
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 7: Martinelli wide open three and here we are annual tradition,

2557
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 7: we're debating. I you on the bubble, not an annual tradition,

2558
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 7: but so my YOUU fans are probably like whenes the

2559
01:54:36,760 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 7: spring football start?

2560
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 3: All right?

2561
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:40,520
Speaker 6: Also, last night Duke a winner over Notre Dame one

2562
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 6: hundred to fifty six. Micah Shrewsbury, the head coach, leaving

2563
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 6: with a torn achilles tendon in the middle.

2564
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 3: Of that game. What was going on there?

2565
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I probably I wanted to tear my achilles. I'm

2566
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:53,280
Speaker 7: going to watch him so I don't blame him. Horrific,

2567
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 7: just absolutely horrific. Cameron Boo's are really good at basketball,

2568
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 7: and Notre Dame is struggling mightily. Eight scholarship players left.

2569
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 7: One of the players announce he's going to try to

2570
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 7: pursue the NFL. That's where we're at, the NFL.

2571
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: That is, he might be rolling up to your guys

2572
01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 1: his neck of the woods pretty soon.

2573
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:10,440
Speaker 7: Literally, I've been looking for him, Carson Toow, he's got

2574
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:10,880
Speaker 7: great hair.

2575
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 3: I've been looking for him around here.

2576
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 8: That again, I'm gonna try to get on Love Island

2577
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 8: so if everyone's dreaming, let's do it.

2578
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 6: Butler Villanova later on tonight six thirty airtime, seven o'clock start,

2579
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 6: as the Bulldogs try to continue a two game winning streak.

2580
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 3: See if they could, that'd be a huge upset to

2581
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:30,640
Speaker 3: get a win at Villanova nine and a half point Underdove.

2582
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 6: Well, they got the right name, Go Bulldogs. Anything else

2583
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 6: you guys want to throw him? Before we head to

2584
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 6: break and get ready to talk to Chris Ballad in

2585
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 6: a minute.

2586
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 7: Shout out to ball State Armani Ziegler with the game

2587
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 7: winner and overtime. They're rare MAC win they've had recently.

2588
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 7: So they beat U mass and miyam Ohio remains undefeated.

2589
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 7: So they are approaching a perfect regular season. Three games left.

2590
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:57,200
Speaker 8: And I do want to mention that Johnny Furfree had

2591
01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:00,920
Speaker 8: his right acl surgery yesterday. Lost in all of the

2592
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:04,600
Speaker 8: craziness of the NBA and there Rick Carlisle a little

2593
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 8: back and forth, but yeah, he's on the minute, on

2594
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 8: the road to recovery.

2595
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Speaker 3: All right.

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01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 6: Coming up in a moment, Chris Ballard about fifteen minutes away.

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01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 6: We'll talk a little bit more about the Pacers and

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01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:17,600
Speaker 6: how things went for Rick Carlyle and the NBA yesterday,

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01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 6: as Kevin alluded to, that's all next to ninety three fat.

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01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,440
Speaker 3: There you go. You ask and you shall receive.

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01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:32,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, see, Mark, this would add about three inches to

2602
01:56:32,160 --> 01:56:34,840
Speaker 8: the vertical. Get the adrenaline going. Look over at the

2603
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 8: high school girl friend. I'm trying to impress. Yeah, I

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01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 8: feel good going to a game with this.

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01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 1: I didn't add three inches too something. I'll tell you

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01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:41,440
Speaker 1: that much.

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01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 6: When I hear this song, you opened up the door, crazy, Yeah,

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01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:47,960
Speaker 6: opened up the door for it.

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01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 9: Boy Mark, you are never dull my man, Mark?

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01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 4: Do you have that?

2611
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 6: The sound from Rick Carlile yesterday we were talking to

2612
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 6: him where he was very unhappy with the NBA and

2613
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:04,160
Speaker 6: the one hundred thousand dollars fine and and really the

2614
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:06,360
Speaker 6: way kind of called out the way that they had

2615
01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 6: investigated the whole thing, whether or not Pacers actually did

2616
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 6: have injured players, could they have played, why didn't they play?

2617
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:15,000
Speaker 6: All those kinds of things. But I also want people

2618
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:18,120
Speaker 6: to pay attention to very thoughtful Rick Carlisle. There was

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01:57:18,160 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 6: a big double pause before he decided to go in

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01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 6: kind of on the NBA.

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01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 10: Here it is, I put out a statement about it.

2622
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 10: I didn't. I didn't agree with it.

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01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:34,920
Speaker 11: It was there was there was a league lawyer that

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01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:39,280
Speaker 11: was doing the interview that kind of unilaterally decided that

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01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:42,400
Speaker 11: Aaron need Smith, who had been injured the night before

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01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 11: and couldn't hold the ball, should have played in the game,

2627
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 11: which just seems ridiculous. And during the interview process, I

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01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:57,920
Speaker 11: was not on it, but I but I heard details.

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01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 10: We asked them if they.

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01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:05,160
Speaker 11: Wanted to talk to the doctors, our doctors about it,

2631
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:09,879
Speaker 11: because it's something that was documented by our doctors and trainers.

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01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:13,160
Speaker 11: They said no, they didn't need to. They talked to

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01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 11: their doctors who did not examine Aarony Smith, and we

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01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:21,040
Speaker 11: asked them if they wanted to talk to the kid,

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01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 11: and they.

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01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 10: Said no, they didn't need to. So this was this

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01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 10: was shocking. This was shocking to me.

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01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 11: And during the interview they also asked if we considered

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01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 11: dedicating him to play in a game when we were

2640
01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 11: thirty games under five hundred, So I was I was

2641
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:51,520
Speaker 11: very surprised, you know, obviously didn't agree with it. This

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01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 11: is really the first time I've gone into detail about it,

2643
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:56,120
Speaker 11: but that was.

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01:58:57,600 --> 01:58:58,640
Speaker 3: That was the deal, and.

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01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,760
Speaker 10: So yeah, that was it.

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01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:06,000
Speaker 3: Pretty amazing stuff.

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01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 6: Kevin, you decided to rightfully so post that on your

2648
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 6: social media feed yesterday and then it took off, gained

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01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 6: all kinds of traction in the NBA circles.

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01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess for those that hadn't followed the story

2651
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 7: about two weeks ago when the fine happened. You know,

2652
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:21,800
Speaker 7: Rick had a very James hughes were mild earlier. Yeah,

2653
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 7: I thought that was a good way to describe it,

2654
01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:25,440
Speaker 7: a very mild statement. And I was curious because I

2655
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 7: I you know, to me from Afar, it seemed rather

2656
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 7: egregious that pacers were being punished.

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01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 3: And we know Rick.

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01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 7: When Rick wants to talk, he'll talk. When he doesn't

2659
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:38,200
Speaker 7: want to talk, he won't talk. So I was curious

2660
01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:40,600
Speaker 7: what his statement would be. And it was our first

2661
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:43,200
Speaker 7: conversation with him since, and so that's why I felt

2662
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 7: the need late yesterday to kind of give him the

2663
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:48,320
Speaker 7: opportunity if he wanted to say anything, and boy did

2664
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 7: he and James I just didn't think the NBA statement, well,

2665
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:56,760
Speaker 7: they initially said that Rick's comments were inaccurate. Once they

2666
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 7: detailed that, I didn't, I didn't re we need a

2667
02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:05,000
Speaker 7: ton of inaccuracies within the evidence. They maybe said that, Hey,

2668
02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:08,160
Speaker 7: we actually did talk to the team physician or you

2669
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:10,920
Speaker 7: know whoever the head team doctor you know is. But

2670
02:00:11,280 --> 02:00:13,880
Speaker 7: outside of that, I definitely didn't hear debunking of the

2671
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:18,240
Speaker 7: we told the Pacers to medicate aaron Ne Smith, which

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02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:20,520
Speaker 7: to me is the most egregious aspect of any of it.

2673
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, they didn't address the elephant in the room, because that,

2674
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:26,320
Speaker 8: again is a very slippery slope that you're going down

2675
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:30,840
Speaker 8: if you're trying to make him play. And I think

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02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:34,440
Speaker 8: the context of those situation matters. Was this a season

2677
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:38,000
Speaker 8: ending injury, no, was it a severe injury?

2678
02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 4: No?

2679
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 8: But it was also second night of a back to back,

2680
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 8: third game of four nights for a guy who I mean,

2681
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 8: if you know Aaron Nesmith, he plays all out, He's

2682
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 8: dealt with injuries. I don't think that he wants to

2683
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:56,120
Speaker 8: necessarily not be available for his team. So when I

2684
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:58,760
Speaker 8: put all of that into the picture, that's why I

2685
02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 8: start looking in at the NBA a little bit funnier.

2686
02:01:01,680 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 9: And then I told you all, regardless.

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02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:08,040
Speaker 8: Of all the policy rules that mostly apply to star players,

2688
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:11,920
Speaker 8: which are deemed as players that are all stars, are

2689
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:14,480
Speaker 8: all caliber players in the last three years, and then

2690
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:17,160
Speaker 8: including the current year. So for example, when I was

2691
02:01:17,200 --> 02:01:21,880
Speaker 8: reading through the policy, it was all about in essence

2692
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:24,600
Speaker 8: of the pacers, when you're gonna play Pascal Siakam, because

2693
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:27,440
Speaker 8: all throughout the policy says star, star, star, star, star player.

2694
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:30,840
Speaker 8: So thinking to myself, why does it even matter that

2695
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,800
Speaker 8: Aaron Nismith didn't play, like he's not technically a star

2696
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:37,360
Speaker 8: by the NBA standards. But then I keep looking, Jeff,

2697
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:40,360
Speaker 8: and there's a little bit of a clause right there

2698
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:44,920
Speaker 8: in the penalization section of the policy that says, I'll

2699
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:47,200
Speaker 8: just read to hear what I wrote yesterday. The clause

2700
02:01:47,240 --> 02:01:49,400
Speaker 8: states that the Commissioner still have the power to penalize

2701
02:01:49,400 --> 02:01:52,880
Speaker 8: teams who, aside from their star players, have a player

2702
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:56,800
Speaker 8: quote who does not participate in a game in circumstances

2703
02:01:56,840 --> 02:01:59,360
Speaker 8: that are, in the opinion of the commissioner. That's a

2704
02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:03,160
Speaker 8: big part there, in the opinion of the commissioner, prejudicial.

2705
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:03,880
Speaker 9: Or detrimential to the NBA.

2706
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 8: So, in other words, forget all of the rules that

2707
02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:09,240
Speaker 8: we have written in this policy. If I feel like

2708
02:02:09,480 --> 02:02:13,320
Speaker 8: you are not being or acting with integrity in the NBA,

2709
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:16,120
Speaker 8: I can step in and say you should have played

2710
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:19,040
Speaker 8: or you should be fined or here's your punishment, And that,

2711
02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 8: to me is ridiculous because this possi has been in

2712
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 8: place for a few years now and you pick and

2713
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:28,480
Speaker 8: choose basically when you want to punish teams. This is

2714
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 8: Adam Silver. You talk about acting unilattery. This seems like

2715
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:34,200
Speaker 8: him just saying, well, you know what, I'm sick of

2716
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:37,200
Speaker 8: this tanking talk. Our betting partners don't like it, Jeff,

2717
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:40,080
Speaker 8: and we just step in and say, these guys gotta play.

2718
02:02:40,360 --> 02:02:41,360
Speaker 9: Like, how do you pick and choose?

2719
02:02:41,400 --> 02:02:41,760
Speaker 3: Who get you?

2720
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:42,440
Speaker 9: Who gets punished?

2721
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:42,640
Speaker 12: Like that?

2722
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:46,440
Speaker 8: To me is it's ridiculous And to your point from earlier, Kevin,

2723
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:47,920
Speaker 8: and feel free to expand on it even more for

2724
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 8: the nine o'clock hour. It makes all the small market

2725
02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:54,080
Speaker 8: teams look at you and say, why the heck are

2726
02:02:54,080 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 8: you picking on us the pacers when we haven't had

2727
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:59,480
Speaker 8: a single digit pick. Well, they have had one with

2728
02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:02,000
Speaker 8: Math and now Jars Walker. Before that, they hadn't had

2729
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,680
Speaker 8: a single bit to pick in like thirty years because

2730
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:05,440
Speaker 8: they never tanked.

2731
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:07,600
Speaker 7: Hell, they didn't tank out for the brawl if there

2732
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:11,920
Speaker 7: was ever a time to tang. So yeah, I've always

2733
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:14,960
Speaker 7: thought this when you know, when people brought up a,

2734
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:17,400
Speaker 7: the NBA hates small market teams, they hate the Pacers,

2735
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:19,680
Speaker 7: blah blah blah. I've just never been one that quickly

2736
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 7: gravitates towards that thought. But when you hear whatever Rix

2737
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:29,560
Speaker 7: comments or you see the situation, it had me pause.

2738
02:03:29,960 --> 02:03:33,280
Speaker 7: It had me thinking a little bit along those lines there.

2739
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,480
Speaker 7: And my thing too is this, if you are going

2740
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:41,680
Speaker 7: to put the hammer down with the punishment, I'm not

2741
02:03:41,680 --> 02:03:43,760
Speaker 7: even talking about one hundred thousand dollars fine, I'm more

2742
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:48,280
Speaker 7: talking about, you know, publicly punish someone in the manner

2743
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:51,240
Speaker 7: that the Jazz and the Pacers were punished. You better

2744
02:03:51,320 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 7: be damn right. You did all the thorough investigation, all

2745
02:03:56,480 --> 02:04:00,960
Speaker 7: the thorough evidence, You talk to, all the necessry parties involved,

2746
02:04:01,040 --> 02:04:06,920
Speaker 7: including the freaking player that the accusation is. And you

2747
02:04:07,120 --> 02:04:11,000
Speaker 7: better be one thousand percent sure that you have checked

2748
02:04:11,200 --> 02:04:14,080
Speaker 7: all the you know, dots of the eyes and crossing

2749
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:16,600
Speaker 7: the t's if you're going to fall through on it.

2750
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 7: And in my mind, that was not done here at all,

2751
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:23,720
Speaker 7: and very selective. Again, we're talking second to back to back.

2752
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:28,000
Speaker 7: When this punishment occurred for a team that you know

2753
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:30,320
Speaker 7: is in a far different, I think situation, then what

2754
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:32,680
Speaker 7: Utah is in, or what the wizards are in, or

2755
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:34,280
Speaker 7: what you know the Kings are in?

2756
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:35,320
Speaker 3: All right?

2757
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:38,000
Speaker 6: Coming up in a minute our conversation with Chris Ballard

2758
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:40,680
Speaker 6: as we join you live from the twenty twenty six

2759
02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:43,240
Speaker 6: NFL Combine. It comes your way next time ninety three

2760
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:44,000
Speaker 6: five and one seven.

2761
02:04:45,720 --> 02:04:47,919
Speaker 3: I think we should started over under every morning.

2762
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:51,080
Speaker 6: Kevin on how many songs James Boyd will actually stand

2763
02:04:51,200 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 6: up and start proving to in the middle of the show.

2764
02:04:53,800 --> 02:04:56,760
Speaker 7: Mark, I apologize. I was out filling up my water

2765
02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:59,440
Speaker 7: that you did play till I collapsed leading us back

2766
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:03,160
Speaker 7: last year last segment, gosh, and well, hey, no reason

2767
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:04,600
Speaker 7: for me to download the podcast today.

2768
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:05,520
Speaker 3: There you go.

2769
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:07,840
Speaker 6: Chris Ballard expected to join us in a couple of minutes.

2770
02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:10,520
Speaker 6: Here is we get rid of close down Day two

2771
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:14,000
Speaker 6: of our coverage of the NFL Combine. Shane Steichen was

2772
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:19,800
Speaker 6: on with JMV last night and probably pretty short and

2773
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:22,320
Speaker 6: sweet with his answers. Most of the questions with jamb

2774
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:25,000
Speaker 6: last night for Shane Stikeen, but John was ready because

2775
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:27,640
Speaker 6: he kept rapid fire questions one right after the other.

2776
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:30,760
Speaker 7: I am going just to learn everybody. We will go

2777
02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:35,000
Speaker 7: probably another ten o'clock out with Chris Ballard here, so yes,

2778
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:38,360
Speaker 7: he's joining us late in the show. But for those

2779
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:43,320
Speaker 7: looking for the national show, sorry, well we'll keep it local.

2780
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:44,440
Speaker 3: A little bit here at the ten o'clock.

2781
02:05:44,280 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 9: I'm getting over time like Mark Dykton Baby, Oh.

2782
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:50,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what did you get the OTA or not

2783
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:53,880
Speaker 6: the OTA but the time off that Mark is getting PTO.

2784
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeahs the question.

2785
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:57,000
Speaker 9: You know, I got to look at your benefits at Mark,

2786
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:58,000
Speaker 9: I look at the benefits.

2787
02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 1: You know, hey, use it ELUSI that is true.

2788
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:03,200
Speaker 9: I will say. I know he'll be stopping by here

2789
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:03,800
Speaker 9: very shortly.

2790
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:09,600
Speaker 8: But in regards to JMV and Shane Ssychen yesterday, I

2791
02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:12,320
Speaker 8: was not surprised by the shortness of Shane Ssyke.

2792
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:14,280
Speaker 9: And he is a man a few words and I

2793
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:15,120
Speaker 9: feel like his lies.

2794
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:17,440
Speaker 8: His eyes only light up when you ask him about

2795
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:20,600
Speaker 8: like actual football plays, and then he gets into like

2796
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:22,960
Speaker 8: the John Gruden mode or or you know where he

2797
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:24,640
Speaker 8: wants to break down everything under the sign.

2798
02:06:24,720 --> 02:06:28,000
Speaker 9: Other than that, he is all ball. Chris Ballard a

2799
02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:29,640
Speaker 9: little probably a little better for the airwaves.

2800
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:32,120
Speaker 3: Jamb was ready, though. Man. He was one question after

2801
02:06:32,200 --> 02:06:33,600
Speaker 3: the other after the other. The other man.

2802
02:06:33,640 --> 02:06:35,520
Speaker 9: He encourage you all to go listen to a jokes aside.

2803
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:38,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was fun conversation, so that was good too.

2804
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,040
Speaker 6: And then of course both have been meeting with the

2805
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:44,360
Speaker 6: media in general yesterday and it's kind of what you expect.

2806
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:47,640
Speaker 6: They're not really nobody is gonna tip you off specifically

2807
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:49,400
Speaker 6: on what they're looking to do or how it's gonna

2808
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:51,880
Speaker 6: go down, and quite frankly, a lot of it depends

2809
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:53,400
Speaker 6: on other factors outside their control.

2810
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:53,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes.

2811
02:06:53,880 --> 02:06:56,200
Speaker 9: Well that's when me and KB just jumping with our questions.

2812
02:06:56,640 --> 02:06:56,800
Speaker 4: You know.

2813
02:06:57,160 --> 02:06:59,160
Speaker 8: You know some people use fists, we use words, so

2814
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:01,120
Speaker 8: we just jump them in like oh no, no, no, no, no,

2815
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:04,160
Speaker 8: you said what about Anthony Richardson, Let's circle back there.

2816
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:06,560
Speaker 8: So yeah, it was good to hear from those guys.

2817
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:08,720
Speaker 8: And at the end of the day, man, you can

2818
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:11,280
Speaker 8: feel how you want to about Chris Ballard. He is

2819
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:14,760
Speaker 8: the GM, He's the guys task with trying to change

2820
02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:17,920
Speaker 8: this dijectory of this franchise and it is what it

2821
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:18,520
Speaker 8: is at this point.

2822
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:21,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, just remind everybody from a show standpoint the next

2823
02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:23,600
Speaker 7: couple of days, we'll continue to be live here at

2824
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:26,920
Speaker 7: the Combine. Dane Brugler, NFL draft analyst over at the

2825
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:30,040
Speaker 7: athletic with James. He's going to join us. Very high

2826
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:33,880
Speaker 7: on DiAngelo Ponds, very high on Omar Cooper Junior. You

2827
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:36,800
Speaker 7: actually had an interesting in thought about Fernedo Mendoz at

2828
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:38,240
Speaker 7: number one. I want to ask him about I.

2829
02:07:38,280 --> 02:07:40,280
Speaker 8: Was gonna says high on your boy. Jeremiah loved too.

2830
02:07:41,080 --> 02:07:44,280
Speaker 8: He is the number one word player in his top hundred.

2831
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:45,920
Speaker 8: And then field Yates.

2832
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:48,720
Speaker 3: Mark you said, uh, Friday at eight o'clock.

2833
02:07:48,480 --> 02:07:52,480
Speaker 7: For the espiansfield Yates, we typically have him onto the combine,

2834
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:54,160
Speaker 7: so I always enjoy chatting with him.

2835
02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:56,760
Speaker 6: Looking forward to all of that, and again waiting on

2836
02:07:56,920 --> 02:07:59,760
Speaker 6: Chris Ballard. At this point in time, when you look

2837
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:02,600
Speaker 6: at what Shane Styken said yesterday to the general public

2838
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:05,400
Speaker 6: and what you look at how he has conversation with

2839
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:06,760
Speaker 6: jamb went, was.

2840
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,240
Speaker 3: There anything that kind of raised your eyebrows and not.

2841
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:11,840
Speaker 6: Oh okay, that's pretty interesting or was it pretty much

2842
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:13,480
Speaker 6: just coach speak for Stiking?

2843
02:08:13,640 --> 02:08:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2844
02:08:14,680 --> 02:08:17,400
Speaker 7: Well, you know I mentioned earlier. I do think the

2845
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:21,920
Speaker 7: need to win ugly is something this franchise has not

2846
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:25,640
Speaker 7: done well enough under Stiking, and it's necessary if you're

2847
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:27,600
Speaker 7: gonna survive a seventeen games ched you can't have your

2848
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:30,160
Speaker 7: your offense is not clicking, you know, to the level

2849
02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:33,560
Speaker 7: that it is, you know, for seventeen weeks out of

2850
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:36,360
Speaker 7: the year. And so I thought that was something that

2851
02:08:36,440 --> 02:08:40,200
Speaker 7: he said that I definitely agreed with. And then again

2852
02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:41,920
Speaker 7: for those that are curious, because I get the question

2853
02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:43,960
Speaker 7: a lot, he will call plays again in twenty twenty six.

2854
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:46,960
Speaker 7: We did see a couple of coaches yesterday actually strip

2855
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:50,800
Speaker 7: themselves aplac on Sean Payton Dave Canalis in Carolina. But

2856
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:54,080
Speaker 7: Shane Sdyken will continue to call plays here. I'm not

2857
02:08:54,160 --> 02:08:56,240
Speaker 7: surprised by that. Frankly, I think it's something that he

2858
02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:58,360
Speaker 7: does better than people will give him credit for. But

2859
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:00,640
Speaker 7: he did mention that yesterday probably one.

2860
02:09:00,520 --> 02:09:02,800
Speaker 3: Of the better play callers in the entire NFL. Would

2861
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:06,120
Speaker 3: you say, yeah, I think he's definitely definitely up there.

2862
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:10,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, joining us now the man of the hour, Chris Ballard.

2863
02:09:10,040 --> 02:09:12,280
Speaker 6: It's always a home game, when the when, when the

2864
02:09:12,360 --> 02:09:15,040
Speaker 6: combine rolls around. So you got that going for you,

2865
02:09:15,240 --> 02:09:17,320
Speaker 6: So he'll join us series, he sits down and gets

2866
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:18,960
Speaker 6: miked up here on ninety three five and one on

2867
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:19,480
Speaker 6: seven to five.

2868
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:19,800
Speaker 3: The fan.

2869
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:22,480
Speaker 6: He's always kind enough to do this every year for

2870
02:09:22,680 --> 02:09:27,080
Speaker 6: us and as he puts on the headset right there, Chris, welcome.

2871
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:28,000
Speaker 3: Back, thank you to see you again.

2872
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:28,720
Speaker 2: Oh oh goodness.

2873
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:31,160
Speaker 6: Is there such a thing as an offseason, like even

2874
02:09:31,200 --> 02:09:32,200
Speaker 6: five days or anything.

2875
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:36,840
Speaker 2: It's he put this mic on.

2876
02:09:37,080 --> 02:09:38,000
Speaker 3: So we're good now.

2877
02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:40,280
Speaker 2: You know, when I moved in, so I was, you know,

2878
02:09:40,280 --> 02:09:42,120
Speaker 2: I was an area scout for a long time. And

2879
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:44,960
Speaker 2: the good thing about it being an area scout is

2880
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:47,920
Speaker 2: you're on the road, but you're home. Like you on

2881
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:49,640
Speaker 2: the road, but you're home and you're working from home.

2882
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:52,640
Speaker 2: When you move in the office. On the pro side,

2883
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:56,480
Speaker 2: there's you're in the office. I mean, like when it

2884
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:59,920
Speaker 2: starts in July, we don't get off until after the drag.

2885
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:03,040
Speaker 2: So it's a grind, but it's a it's when you're

2886
02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:05,720
Speaker 2: doing what you love to do. I've never saw it

2887
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:09,280
Speaker 2: as work. So feel fortunate. But there's never a time off.

2888
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:09,840
Speaker 5: There's not.

2889
02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:13,000
Speaker 2: There's just that's that's just the way it is. And

2890
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:14,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could take you know, I

2891
02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:17,480
Speaker 2: don't I don't know if I could take a lot

2892
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:19,640
Speaker 2: of time off. I mean, I'm just so used to working.

2893
02:10:19,800 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 2: I mean that's all I've done my whole life. So

2894
02:10:22,680 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 2: feel fortunate. And blessed to be able to do what

2895
02:10:24,520 --> 02:10:26,360
Speaker 2: I do and and be involved every day.

2896
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:29,000
Speaker 7: Chris, thank you for the time. This time last year

2897
02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:31,720
Speaker 7: was a lot about defensive back when you chatted with

2898
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 7: us here. Do you view defensive line now in that

2899
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:37,920
Speaker 7: light this year in terms of the all season focus?

2900
02:10:38,160 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like you've got to I think you believe.

2901
02:10:42,280 --> 02:10:45,000
Speaker 2: I believe you went up front. I've always believed. That's

2902
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:48,800
Speaker 2: been a core belief and so there's no question it.

2903
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:51,440
Speaker 2: You know, every year we try to do the best

2904
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:54,000
Speaker 2: we can to make sure we have a front that

2905
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:56,000
Speaker 2: can win, because when it really shows up is later

2906
02:10:56,080 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 2: in the season and that's when your depth shows up.

2907
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,360
Speaker 2: So it is a priority for us here going forward.

2908
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:01,760
Speaker 4: Uh.

2909
02:11:02,120 --> 02:11:04,320
Speaker 7: Draft wise, you know, obviously prospects starting talk to the

2910
02:11:04,440 --> 02:11:07,560
Speaker 7: media today, you guys have done extraordinary job at drafting

2911
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:10,640
Speaker 7: offensive line. Then in your tenure, when you look at

2912
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 7: that position group specifically, really outside a round one, you

2913
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:17,000
Speaker 7: have why do you feel like you've been so successful?

2914
02:11:17,160 --> 02:11:18,600
Speaker 2: I would tell you it was a lot. It was

2915
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:22,440
Speaker 2: the one. It was the it was the hardest to learn, Okay,

2916
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:25,840
Speaker 2: it just took years to learn what played in the

2917
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 2: league and then what was successful in the league. Being

2918
02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:32,680
Speaker 2: with Jerry Angelo, I thought, I thought he did a

2919
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:35,560
Speaker 2: really good job. Bobby DePaul at the time, who was

2920
02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:37,760
Speaker 2: our pro director, and then going with coach Reid and

2921
02:11:37,880 --> 02:11:41,680
Speaker 2: John Dorsey really kind of clarified everything. Okay, here's what

2922
02:11:41,800 --> 02:11:44,320
Speaker 2: we're looking for and here's what succeeds in the league.

2923
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:47,680
Speaker 2: You gotta get little luck sometimes where it falls your way,

2924
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:50,840
Speaker 2: which we've you know gotten, but on the flip side

2925
02:11:50,840 --> 02:11:54,200
Speaker 2: of that, we've been able to identify the right traits

2926
02:11:54,280 --> 02:11:56,800
Speaker 2: and a player that can make them successful. I you know,

2927
02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:59,400
Speaker 2: Will Fries who went on and you know, has had

2928
02:11:59,400 --> 02:12:01,440
Speaker 2: a heck of a care and as a seventh round

2929
02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:05,600
Speaker 2: pick and done tremendous. So our group does a great job.

2930
02:12:05,720 --> 02:12:09,600
Speaker 2: I mean we talk consistently about it, and it's always

2931
02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:11,400
Speaker 2: going to position that you don't ever want to go

2932
02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:15,120
Speaker 2: short because it when when the season hits. I mean,

2933
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:18,200
Speaker 2: take quarterback out of the equation. The bigs are the

2934
02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:21,480
Speaker 2: hardest to find on the on the street. They're just

2935
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:24,000
Speaker 2: not there, you know, And that's why you've always seen

2936
02:12:24,080 --> 02:12:27,000
Speaker 2: us go heavy on the old line, D line. That's

2937
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:30,360
Speaker 2: as the attrition through this season, you know, builds up,

2938
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:32,840
Speaker 2: and it does. I mean every year. The team you

2939
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:36,800
Speaker 2: start with in August is never the same team you're

2940
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:39,520
Speaker 2: getting you're playing with in December, So you've got to

2941
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:41,760
Speaker 2: have enough depth and the bigs are the ones you

2942
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 2: always got to try to find and stay with.

2943
02:12:44,320 --> 02:12:47,840
Speaker 7: Conversely, d N has not had anywhere near that sort

2944
02:12:47,880 --> 02:12:52,040
Speaker 7: of success. Why and has your evaluation of that position

2945
02:12:52,160 --> 02:12:54,640
Speaker 7: group needed to change draft wise over the years.

2946
02:12:54,840 --> 02:12:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't you know, and you're right, we've not produced.

2947
02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:01,480
Speaker 2: The one real disappointing thing for me is we've not

2948
02:13:02,280 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 2: found a guy that you know, is an elite rusher.

2949
02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:07,600
Speaker 2: I think we've had good rushers. I think a lot

2950
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:11,840
Speaker 2: too still is coming into his own. It takes time

2951
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:15,480
Speaker 2: to learn how to rush in this league, and us

2952
02:13:15,600 --> 02:13:17,640
Speaker 2: not being in the playoffs has not been able to

2953
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:23,040
Speaker 2: show kind of the world you know, how he plays

2954
02:13:23,160 --> 02:13:26,000
Speaker 2: and not getting that exposure. So I do think he

2955
02:13:26,120 --> 02:13:27,920
Speaker 2: has a lot of upside. And look, I don't want

2956
02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:29,720
Speaker 2: to take anything away from some of the guys Quity

2957
02:13:29,720 --> 02:13:33,360
Speaker 2: pay play good football for us. Sometimes the expectations of

2958
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:36,320
Speaker 2: a first round pick, no matter if he's the first

2959
02:13:36,360 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 2: pick of the draft or the twentieth pick of the draft,

2960
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:41,480
Speaker 2: everybody think, Okay, he's automatically going to be a ten

2961
02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:45,680
Speaker 2: to fifteen sack guy automatically, And that's that's not the case.

2962
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,040
Speaker 2: To giggles sometimes because I think we broke the sack

2963
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:51,400
Speaker 2: record a couple of years ago, and we did it

2964
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:54,160
Speaker 2: without you know, without Frenie and mathis who were you know?

2965
02:13:54,440 --> 02:13:56,920
Speaker 2: In my mind, you know two hall of fame. One

2966
02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:58,080
Speaker 2: of them already in the Hall of Fame. The other

2967
02:13:58,120 --> 02:13:58,560
Speaker 2: one should be.

2968
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:03,240
Speaker 8: When you look back on last season, obviously all had

2969
02:14:03,320 --> 02:14:07,000
Speaker 8: the eight and two star finish eight nine. You can

2970
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:09,320
Speaker 8: look at it through two lenses of we were great

2971
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:11,440
Speaker 8: the first half, not scrid second half. How do you

2972
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:14,280
Speaker 8: evaluate the whole thing when you know it's year to

2973
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:16,640
Speaker 8: your league and your final records eight and nine.

2974
02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:18,920
Speaker 2: Well, the one Shane and I have talked a lot

2975
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:20,920
Speaker 2: about this, and we've talked about it as a group,

2976
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, coaching staff and scouting that like the we

2977
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:30,320
Speaker 2: got to find a way to win, you know, these

2978
02:14:30,520 --> 02:14:33,760
Speaker 2: tough ball games. We lost so many down the stretch

2979
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:38,480
Speaker 2: that were you know, a play here, play there, And like,

2980
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:41,560
Speaker 2: injuries are not an excuse in this league. They're just

2981
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:45,560
Speaker 2: they're gonna happen. Injuries are gonna happen, and you've got

2982
02:14:45,680 --> 02:14:48,160
Speaker 2: to be able to overcome that, and you've got to

2983
02:14:48,200 --> 02:14:49,960
Speaker 2: be able to get in a street fight sometimes and

2984
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:55,360
Speaker 2: win the street fight, and like, don't like one day,

2985
02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:58,440
Speaker 2: I've told Shane this little fun like don't lose. Let's

2986
02:14:58,440 --> 02:14:59,680
Speaker 2: start with don't lose the game.

2987
02:15:00,160 --> 02:15:00,440
Speaker 10: Okay.

2988
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:03,320
Speaker 2: If you look at our record eight and two, and

2989
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:05,200
Speaker 2: we were playing really good football, I think we were

2990
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:09,200
Speaker 2: plus nine, and then you look at the last the

2991
02:15:09,600 --> 02:15:12,440
Speaker 2: last eight games of the season, I think we're minus nine,

2992
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:17,240
Speaker 2: are minus ten. So just turning the football over and

2993
02:15:17,320 --> 02:15:20,520
Speaker 2: not playing taking care of the things that you have

2994
02:15:20,680 --> 02:15:24,240
Speaker 2: to do to win. We have got to improve on that,

2995
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:28,200
Speaker 2: without question, and it's hard. I don't want to sit

2996
02:15:28,240 --> 02:15:30,280
Speaker 2: here and say I don't think eight and two is mirage.

2997
02:15:30,280 --> 02:15:32,880
Speaker 2: I think we had a really good football team. But

2998
02:15:33,800 --> 02:15:37,320
Speaker 2: even if we'd have remained healthy, Okay, everybody's healthy and

2999
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:42,880
Speaker 2: we're going you can't play and turn the ball over

3000
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:46,520
Speaker 2: and do things that are not winning football. I don't

3001
02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:49,320
Speaker 2: care who you are. So we've got to prove and

3002
02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:51,960
Speaker 2: excited about you know, the things we have coming back

3003
02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:55,400
Speaker 2: and the plan we have going forward. So we'll go

3004
02:15:55,520 --> 02:15:56,040
Speaker 2: from there.

3005
02:15:56,680 --> 02:15:57,560
Speaker 9: Along those lines.

3006
02:15:57,800 --> 02:16:01,160
Speaker 8: Chris, what is the balance of believing in what you

3007
02:16:01,240 --> 02:16:03,400
Speaker 8: saw when you were eight and two, and then talking

3008
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:06,160
Speaker 8: to saying yesterday, talking to you over the years, knowing

3009
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:08,680
Speaker 8: that you can't get too caught up with what you

3010
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:11,920
Speaker 8: were because this Lely especially, it changes on a dime.

3011
02:16:12,120 --> 02:16:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and every year is different, Every team's different. It's

3012
02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:19,480
Speaker 2: never the same. And I can't send or say okay,

3013
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:23,400
Speaker 2: look back, snap my fingers, say okay, everything's gonna be okay.

3014
02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:25,560
Speaker 2: We were eight and two. We're just gonna go off that.

3015
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:29,320
Speaker 2: Now now we have improvement we have to make in

3016
02:16:29,400 --> 02:16:31,520
Speaker 2: a lot of different areas on the team. We had

3017
02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:34,680
Speaker 2: to continue to increase the depth of our team and

3018
02:16:34,760 --> 02:16:37,320
Speaker 2: the competition our team and then allow our guys to

3019
02:16:37,879 --> 02:16:40,720
Speaker 2: compete and guys that are earning it making sure they're

3020
02:16:40,720 --> 02:16:44,120
Speaker 2: getting on the field. But every year is different.

3021
02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:45,440
Speaker 3: This is a new year.

3022
02:16:45,520 --> 02:16:48,080
Speaker 2: We're excited about where we're going, but we got work

3023
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:50,840
Speaker 2: to do. We do and it's a bunch of work.

3024
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:54,120
Speaker 2: And you know, between now and started the season, you

3025
02:16:54,200 --> 02:16:56,560
Speaker 2: know we're gonna work pretty effort, you know, tiresly to

3026
02:16:56,560 --> 02:16:57,240
Speaker 2: get it done.

3027
02:16:57,680 --> 02:16:59,160
Speaker 9: One more and I'll pass it to Jeff.

3028
02:16:59,240 --> 02:17:01,600
Speaker 8: But about work to do, we talked a lot about

3029
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:04,840
Speaker 8: al Pearce and obviously Daniel Jones. Another free agent to

3030
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:08,880
Speaker 8: be is Nick Cross. How would you evaluate his season

3031
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 8: the last couple of years and also what he means

3032
02:17:11,400 --> 02:17:13,320
Speaker 8: to this team and possibly trying to bring him back?

3033
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:13,720
Speaker 4: It was.

3034
02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:19,200
Speaker 2: Nick was a so we it's never a player's fault

3035
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:22,040
Speaker 2: when you draft him at twenty years old. You know,

3036
02:17:22,120 --> 02:17:25,680
Speaker 2: they don't get they we choose them, okay, And so

3037
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:28,920
Speaker 2: to what, Nick's still a I think he's still twenty four.

3038
02:17:28,920 --> 02:17:30,560
Speaker 2: He might have turned twenty five, but he I think

3039
02:17:30,560 --> 02:17:33,240
Speaker 2: he's twenty four still. So we drafted him at twenty

3040
02:17:33,640 --> 02:17:36,440
Speaker 2: and then we were we thrust him into a trying

3041
02:17:36,520 --> 02:17:39,320
Speaker 2: to get him in there right away, and he just

3042
02:17:39,520 --> 02:17:43,480
Speaker 2: wasn't quite ready. And so to watch his growth has

3043
02:17:43,600 --> 02:17:46,400
Speaker 2: been really, you know, fun to watch. I've said this

3044
02:17:46,640 --> 02:17:48,880
Speaker 2: multiple times, like one of the really neat things about

3045
02:17:50,320 --> 02:17:53,560
Speaker 2: the job is watching guys mature and turning the men.

3046
02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:56,480
Speaker 2: They're not men when they come into this league. They

3047
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:59,160
Speaker 2: think they are, but they're not. But to watch them mature,

3048
02:18:00,400 --> 02:18:04,720
Speaker 2: turning the two men into professionals. And that's when one

3049
02:18:04,720 --> 02:18:07,360
Speaker 2: of the cool things about Nick. He does mean a lot.

3050
02:18:07,440 --> 02:18:09,920
Speaker 2: We have a lot of moving parts here, so we'll

3051
02:18:09,959 --> 02:18:11,840
Speaker 2: see how it works out. We've we've had talks with

3052
02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:15,360
Speaker 2: his representative. I've known him well, and I'm proud of Nick,

3053
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:18,640
Speaker 2: and I'm happy for Nick. And look sometimes like for

3054
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:21,080
Speaker 2: players and I and I tell him this when they're rookies,

3055
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:23,160
Speaker 2: like they're gonna come a point when you and I

3056
02:18:23,480 --> 02:18:27,240
Speaker 2: don't agree and you don't like me because of finances,

3057
02:18:27,879 --> 02:18:30,600
Speaker 2: don't like. There's all there's this big pie, and I

3058
02:18:30,680 --> 02:18:35,160
Speaker 2: can we can slice it up and and give that

3059
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:37,320
Speaker 2: piece of the pie, and somebody might be willing to

3060
02:18:37,360 --> 02:18:38,800
Speaker 2: give you a bigger piece of the pie. And if

3061
02:18:38,840 --> 02:18:41,800
Speaker 2: that happens, good. We've both done our jobs. We've done

3062
02:18:41,800 --> 02:18:44,400
Speaker 2: our job developing you, and you've done an unbelievable job

3063
02:18:44,520 --> 02:18:47,760
Speaker 2: taking the coaching and getting better and each and every year,

3064
02:18:47,800 --> 02:18:50,200
Speaker 2: and you deserve this opportunity. So we'll see what the

3065
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:52,560
Speaker 2: future holds with Nick. I'm proud of him, I'm happy

3066
02:18:52,640 --> 02:18:55,520
Speaker 2: for him. He made it the free agency and he's

3067
02:18:55,680 --> 02:18:58,080
Speaker 2: he's made it on a high note. So we'll see

3068
02:18:58,080 --> 02:18:58,840
Speaker 2: how that works out.

3069
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:03,080
Speaker 6: About secondary if money war decides to come back, and

3070
02:19:03,160 --> 02:19:05,840
Speaker 6: we don't know that answer quite yet, but do you

3071
02:19:05,879 --> 02:19:08,680
Speaker 6: still get excited about the possibility of having everybody that

3072
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:11,040
Speaker 6: you put together last year healthy and able to play

3073
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:13,440
Speaker 6: for a significant chunk of a season. Talk to me

3074
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:16,720
Speaker 6: about what you think of health right now for that

3075
02:19:16,840 --> 02:19:18,680
Speaker 6: overall group and what you think is possible.

3076
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:23,320
Speaker 2: Well, look, it's a it's a very you know, we're humming.

3077
02:19:23,400 --> 02:19:26,720
Speaker 2: It's a very talented group. And Mooney, like, Mooney's a

3078
02:19:26,840 --> 02:19:30,920
Speaker 2: really special young man and he's been through some hard

3079
02:19:31,440 --> 02:19:35,199
Speaker 2: things in life. Okay, I talked to Mooney this morning.

3080
02:19:35,440 --> 02:19:38,520
Speaker 2: I called him drivers the best. His voice just sounded

3081
02:19:41,560 --> 02:19:45,280
Speaker 2: really positive and good of where he's at all right,

3082
02:19:45,640 --> 02:19:47,760
Speaker 2: And and he went to work. He knew he had

3083
02:19:47,760 --> 02:19:50,520
Speaker 2: to do some work, not just you know, on the

3084
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:53,280
Speaker 2: injury stuff, but you know also personally. You know, he's

3085
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:55,040
Speaker 2: had some hard things in his life that he's had

3086
02:19:55,080 --> 02:19:59,680
Speaker 2: to overcome and that's not easy. And then being able

3087
02:19:59,720 --> 02:20:03,040
Speaker 2: to get you know, if if Mooney's here, which you

3088
02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:06,960
Speaker 2: know anticipating, yes, but if he's here, and then you know,

3089
02:20:07,080 --> 02:20:11,000
Speaker 2: you got sauce. When you have two corners that can

3090
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:14,120
Speaker 2: play man to man, it helps the rest of it.

3091
02:20:14,440 --> 02:20:17,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna allow lou and the defense to do a

3092
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:20,480
Speaker 2: defensive staff to do some things that I think is

3093
02:20:20,520 --> 02:20:22,680
Speaker 2: really gonna help us and I think you saw some

3094
02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:26,120
Speaker 2: really good stuff when they were in there together, like

3095
02:20:26,200 --> 02:20:29,120
Speaker 2: when the Kansas City game, like when they played now

3096
02:20:29,160 --> 02:20:32,400
Speaker 2: they ended up having to play ninety five snaps, And look,

3097
02:20:32,440 --> 02:20:35,360
Speaker 2: the more snaps you give Andy Reid and Pat Mahomes,

3098
02:20:36,440 --> 02:20:39,040
Speaker 2: eventually they're gonna, I don't I don't care who you got,

3099
02:20:39,080 --> 02:20:41,920
Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna get you. But we played a

3100
02:20:41,959 --> 02:20:43,760
Speaker 2: lot of mando man in that game, and they held

3101
02:20:43,879 --> 02:20:47,640
Speaker 2: up really well for a long time. So excited about seeing,

3102
02:20:47,879 --> 02:20:49,440
Speaker 2: you know, trying to get those two on the field

3103
02:20:49,480 --> 02:20:52,000
Speaker 2: together and and seeing what they could do get.

3104
02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:54,039
Speaker 7: In live here at the combine. Chris Ballard, Colts GM

3105
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:58,000
Speaker 7: is with us on radio row. Chris, you've largely had

3106
02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:03,080
Speaker 7: the same captains throughout this playoff drought. How do you

3107
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:07,680
Speaker 7: evaluate the leadership of your football team when a the

3108
02:21:07,720 --> 02:21:11,000
Speaker 7: playoff success hasn't been there be the late season collapses

3109
02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:12,360
Speaker 7: have been pretty annual.

3110
02:21:12,600 --> 02:21:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and that's a fair that's a fair question.

3111
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:18,600
Speaker 2: Shane and I have actually we've had discussions about that

3112
02:21:19,800 --> 02:21:21,440
Speaker 2: because we have really I mean, look, y'all go through

3113
02:21:21,440 --> 02:21:24,280
Speaker 2: a locker room. We have really good dudes. They care,

3114
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:29,000
Speaker 2: they want to win, they do everything, they can in

3115
02:21:29,080 --> 02:21:33,040
Speaker 2: their power to do the right things. We have to

3116
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:37,720
Speaker 2: make sure that they're getting I mean, you know, leaders,

3117
02:21:38,360 --> 02:21:40,560
Speaker 2: you know, we got to help them lead sometimes, if

3118
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,040
Speaker 2: that makes sense. I mean we all have growth to do,

3119
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:46,240
Speaker 2: even all. I mean I have growth to do in

3120
02:21:46,320 --> 02:21:48,480
Speaker 2: that area and they do, and we need to do.

3121
02:21:48,959 --> 02:21:51,160
Speaker 2: We need to help them grow along the way too

3122
02:21:51,320 --> 02:21:55,360
Speaker 2: of things that we want done to make sure that

3123
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:58,200
Speaker 2: that is getting spread through the locker room. I think

3124
02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:00,360
Speaker 2: Shane does a really good job now, but you know

3125
02:22:00,440 --> 02:22:02,680
Speaker 2: it just at this at this time, you know, because

3126
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:04,680
Speaker 2: of the results, it hadn't been what we wanted. So

3127
02:22:05,240 --> 02:22:07,000
Speaker 2: we've got to make sure that we're leading them in

3128
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:07,440
Speaker 2: the right.

3129
02:22:07,440 --> 02:22:10,120
Speaker 3: Direction to you expect Zia Franklin back.

3130
02:22:10,400 --> 02:22:15,800
Speaker 2: We'll see love Zaire. I think like my relationship with him,

3131
02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:22,160
Speaker 2: he's very honest and he's very strong willed. Darius was

3132
02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:27,040
Speaker 2: very similar Leonard and usually good players are like that.

3133
02:22:28,480 --> 02:22:33,200
Speaker 2: So we'll see how it plays out. I'm a when

3134
02:22:33,240 --> 02:22:36,400
Speaker 2: football I'll tell you this, when football is over, Zaire

3135
02:22:36,480 --> 02:22:40,040
Speaker 2: Franklin is going to be a star and whatever he

3136
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:44,080
Speaker 2: decides to do in life. He is smart, he is

3137
02:22:44,360 --> 02:22:50,640
Speaker 2: extremely mentally tough. He's everything you want in a in

3138
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:54,600
Speaker 2: a in a player in terms of makeup. So was

3139
02:22:54,760 --> 02:22:59,760
Speaker 2: a fan of the podcast, needless to say, Zaire and

3140
02:22:59,800 --> 02:23:03,680
Speaker 2: I I've had some some some discussions about the podcast. Look,

3141
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:05,920
Speaker 2: here's what I do like. I love that he's passionate

3142
02:23:06,320 --> 02:23:08,720
Speaker 2: about what could be next in life, like every one

3143
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:12,360
Speaker 2: of our players. I want that for But also, you know,

3144
02:23:13,480 --> 02:23:16,680
Speaker 2: sometimes we've got to learn to temper some of the

3145
02:23:16,760 --> 02:23:19,840
Speaker 2: words that come out of our mouths, Chris, and that

3146
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:20,400
Speaker 2: includes me.

3147
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:26,240
Speaker 3: This is not that includes me too. That's growth right.

3148
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:29,800
Speaker 8: There, Chris Worres this morning from Chris Valley, and we

3149
02:23:29,879 --> 02:23:32,760
Speaker 8: have close young Chris Ballor live from the Combine joining

3150
02:23:32,840 --> 02:23:35,840
Speaker 8: us here on the fan morning. So, Chris, when you

3151
02:23:36,120 --> 02:23:43,039
Speaker 8: look at Anthony's entire tenure here in Indianapolis, how would

3152
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:47,360
Speaker 8: you evaluate it? Number one and number two will like,

3153
02:23:47,560 --> 02:23:49,960
Speaker 8: how Crystal is his future here? And I get that

3154
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:53,520
Speaker 8: you believe in him. You've been championing him since for

3155
02:23:53,640 --> 02:23:55,760
Speaker 8: everything up ups and downs, and I mean I've been

3156
02:23:55,800 --> 02:23:59,320
Speaker 8: guilty of criticizing you and and him, but when he

3157
02:23:59,400 --> 02:24:06,600
Speaker 8: doesn't end it, yeah, them. But my point is, when

3158
02:24:06,640 --> 02:24:10,960
Speaker 8: you're evaluating him, how do you I guess figure out

3159
02:24:11,000 --> 02:24:13,400
Speaker 8: what his future is here? When you're also trying to

3160
02:24:13,480 --> 02:24:16,840
Speaker 8: resign Daniel Jones, and Riley has shown some things as well.

3161
02:24:16,920 --> 02:24:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you can never have enough good players at

3162
02:24:20,280 --> 02:24:23,400
Speaker 2: one position, all right. Let's let's that that's they might

3163
02:24:23,480 --> 02:24:25,280
Speaker 2: not be always happy about it, but you can't have

3164
02:24:25,480 --> 02:24:28,560
Speaker 2: enough good players. And look, it is hard to evaluate

3165
02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:32,400
Speaker 2: him right now. Anthony's still young. I mean he is

3166
02:24:32,520 --> 02:24:35,200
Speaker 2: still young. I want to say, he's twenty four years old,

3167
02:24:35,400 --> 02:24:38,240
Speaker 2: all right, So the future is still in front of Anthony.

3168
02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:42,680
Speaker 2: The injuries always make it tough to finish it, to

3169
02:24:42,720 --> 02:24:47,360
Speaker 2: get a complete evaluation. And look, if you look at

3170
02:24:47,400 --> 02:24:49,760
Speaker 2: the history of some of these quarterbacks that have gotten

3171
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:53,640
Speaker 2: hurt early in their careers and had some real struggles,

3172
02:24:54,879 --> 02:24:56,560
Speaker 2: but they come out the other sides, kind of like

3173
02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:59,240
Speaker 2: I talked about yesterday about you know, you got to

3174
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:00,640
Speaker 2: stand at the end of the the edge of the

3175
02:25:00,680 --> 02:25:03,520
Speaker 2: abyss and not jump. He hasn't jumped, which is a

3176
02:25:03,800 --> 02:25:06,240
Speaker 2: is a good thing. I'm proud of him. He's had

3177
02:25:06,280 --> 02:25:10,280
Speaker 2: some unfortunate bad luck. But we'll see how it goes

3178
02:25:10,360 --> 02:25:13,240
Speaker 2: going forward. I know this, he works. I know this

3179
02:25:13,360 --> 02:25:16,440
Speaker 2: offseason he's worked. He's working with his guy down there

3180
02:25:16,480 --> 02:25:19,560
Speaker 2: that I think a lot of and so we'll see

3181
02:25:19,560 --> 02:25:20,720
Speaker 2: what the future holds with him.

3182
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:24,080
Speaker 6: Speaking of that, what did you think of the late

3183
02:25:24,280 --> 02:25:25,920
Speaker 6: season performance of Riley Leonard?

3184
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:27,040
Speaker 3: It was fun.

3185
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:28,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, it's fun to watch. I mean it

3186
02:25:28,959 --> 02:25:31,320
Speaker 2: was the game wasn't too big for him, which is

3187
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:35,760
Speaker 2: always number one thing you look at, you know, is

3188
02:25:35,879 --> 02:25:38,520
Speaker 2: the game too fast and too big for him? And

3189
02:25:38,680 --> 02:25:40,760
Speaker 2: it's not. And you're some about a young man that

3190
02:25:40,840 --> 02:25:45,280
Speaker 2: played in a lot of big games in college, so

3191
02:25:45,480 --> 02:25:49,440
Speaker 2: that that part really didn't surprise us because it wasn't

3192
02:25:49,480 --> 02:25:53,600
Speaker 2: too big for him. His ability to like he has

3193
02:25:53,680 --> 02:25:58,360
Speaker 2: worked really hard mechanically getting the ball out faster, like

3194
02:25:58,480 --> 02:26:01,720
Speaker 2: he took to like our internally, our guys do a

3195
02:26:02,480 --> 02:26:04,840
Speaker 2: We bring a guy named Chris hes who who does

3196
02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:09,720
Speaker 2: some uh sequencing analysis on our quarterbacks, and you know,

3197
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:11,400
Speaker 2: he had some sek I mean, all of it's a

3198
02:26:11,600 --> 02:26:15,080
Speaker 2: it's a constant involvement when you're talking mechanics of quarterbacks,

3199
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:18,240
Speaker 2: like they're always it's like a picture they're always working in.

3200
02:26:19,480 --> 02:26:22,199
Speaker 2: And he took the information and worked with our strength

3201
02:26:22,240 --> 02:26:25,880
Speaker 2: staff really hard on things he needed to he needed

3202
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:29,160
Speaker 2: to do with his sequencing and it's getting better and

3203
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:31,960
Speaker 2: it was fun to watch in that Houston game, it

3204
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:33,640
Speaker 2: all kind of come together.

3205
02:26:34,040 --> 02:26:34,200
Speaker 5: Now.

3206
02:26:34,920 --> 02:26:37,560
Speaker 2: You know, like any young quarterback, you're gonna you know,

3207
02:26:37,640 --> 02:26:39,680
Speaker 2: you gotta live with the ups and downs. But but

3208
02:26:40,120 --> 02:26:42,800
Speaker 2: he's really smart. He's got really good poise, and he

3209
02:26:42,879 --> 02:26:46,640
Speaker 2: can create Those are things that I think you saw

3210
02:26:46,959 --> 02:26:50,200
Speaker 2: in the games he played in. I thought to throw

3211
02:26:50,280 --> 02:26:54,160
Speaker 2: the against I mean, look, when when Daniel got hurt,

3212
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:56,600
Speaker 2: we all were at the game, you could feel kind

3213
02:26:56,640 --> 02:27:02,000
Speaker 2: of a like the energy just get sucked. He came

3214
02:27:02,040 --> 02:27:03,520
Speaker 2: in the game and played well. If you remember he

3215
02:27:03,560 --> 02:27:05,640
Speaker 2: threw the he threw the ball to Pittman on a

3216
02:27:05,720 --> 02:27:10,080
Speaker 2: back shoulder for a touchdown that you know, whether I

3217
02:27:10,520 --> 02:27:11,960
Speaker 2: agree with the car or not, it was p I

3218
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:15,000
Speaker 2: but still in the moment of when and he had

3219
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:19,360
Speaker 2: just come in the game that that kind of gave

3220
02:27:19,440 --> 02:27:21,520
Speaker 2: us some hope. Okay, look it's not big for me.

3221
02:27:21,560 --> 02:27:23,120
Speaker 2: He can make some plays. And then going into the

3222
02:27:23,160 --> 02:27:25,600
Speaker 2: Houston game against look that first half that was their

3223
02:27:25,640 --> 02:27:29,920
Speaker 2: starting defense, and he performed well. But like any young quarterback,

3224
02:27:29,959 --> 02:27:31,720
Speaker 2: we got to work on the turnovers. Can't turn the

3225
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:36,080
Speaker 2: ball over. And you know there's sometimes where a play

3226
02:27:36,240 --> 02:27:38,640
Speaker 2: is dead and you just got to understand it's dead.

3227
02:27:38,680 --> 02:27:41,320
Speaker 2: That's part of his growth, but excited about Riley and

3228
02:27:41,360 --> 02:27:41,920
Speaker 2: where he's going.

3229
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:46,480
Speaker 3: Do you see an extension for Alec as an either

3230
02:27:46,760 --> 02:27:48,280
Speaker 3: or if Pitt is back?

3231
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:52,840
Speaker 2: No, No, I think we got it. We're still we'll

3232
02:27:52,920 --> 02:27:56,480
Speaker 2: work through that. I mean, like plans can be a

3233
02:27:56,520 --> 02:27:58,920
Speaker 2: little I wish there was a like you could just

3234
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:00,920
Speaker 2: ride on back. Okay, here's the plan. This is how

3235
02:28:00,959 --> 02:28:02,440
Speaker 2: it's gonna go. This is the amount of money this

3236
02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:04,760
Speaker 2: guy's gonna cost. This is and it fits into a

3237
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:10,400
Speaker 2: perfect box. Well, unfortunately that box is it gets determined

3238
02:28:10,400 --> 02:28:14,240
Speaker 2: sometimes by the market, all right, which it does, and

3239
02:28:14,600 --> 02:28:17,120
Speaker 2: so it's it's fluid. It's very fluid.

3240
02:28:17,560 --> 02:28:20,000
Speaker 7: Would you say that to achieve the off season goals,

3241
02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:23,760
Speaker 7: you might have to part ways with guys you've resigned

3242
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:26,480
Speaker 7: and or restructure, which is a little bit foreign for you.

3243
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:30,720
Speaker 2: That that could happen. Yeah, that could happen. The good look,

3244
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:34,560
Speaker 2: here's the good news. Like going forward, we're in very

3245
02:28:34,640 --> 02:28:38,360
Speaker 2: good cap and financial shape. Mike Bloom has done a

3246
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:41,959
Speaker 2: really good job making sure that not only this year,

3247
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:45,720
Speaker 2: but you know, future years are set up in a

3248
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:49,200
Speaker 2: way where you know we can we're still open to

3249
02:28:49,240 --> 02:28:52,520
Speaker 2: do business. We've not ever boxed ourselves in to where

3250
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:54,120
Speaker 2: we're hamstrung on what we can do.

3251
02:28:55,280 --> 02:28:56,199
Speaker 9: Chris, you were.

3252
02:28:57,000 --> 02:28:59,480
Speaker 8: Pretty quick in the NDFC and press conference to back

3253
02:28:59,560 --> 02:29:01,960
Speaker 8: Daniels to say he can be your short and long

3254
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:04,040
Speaker 8: term solution that quarterback.

3255
02:29:04,720 --> 02:29:06,440
Speaker 9: Why do you believe in him so much?

3256
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:09,040
Speaker 8: And do you think that commitment to him was already made,

3257
02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:12,760
Speaker 8: because this is how we evaluated. Hey gave him two

3258
02:29:12,760 --> 02:29:14,520
Speaker 8: first round picks for saus Gardner. You don't do that

3259
02:29:14,600 --> 02:29:16,960
Speaker 8: if you don't believe in your quarterback. So what are

3260
02:29:16,959 --> 02:29:18,440
Speaker 8: your thoughts on that part of it and also just

3261
02:29:18,520 --> 02:29:20,520
Speaker 8: moving forward trying to get him here?

3262
02:29:20,680 --> 02:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Yep, No, have a strong belief in Daniel and you

3263
02:29:26,360 --> 02:29:28,920
Speaker 2: know he he's a quarterback that did he had to go,

3264
02:29:29,160 --> 02:29:31,200
Speaker 2: you know, if he went to New York, had some

3265
02:29:31,320 --> 02:29:34,160
Speaker 2: struggles early, and I still thought even through the struggles,

3266
02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:37,560
Speaker 2: he played pretty good football. And you know, take him

3267
02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:39,800
Speaker 2: to the playoffs. When's a playoff game. They signed him

3268
02:29:39,800 --> 02:29:42,039
Speaker 2: to extension and then kind of the wheels came off.

3269
02:29:42,160 --> 02:29:44,880
Speaker 2: So he is a quarterback that's standing stood on the

3270
02:29:44,959 --> 02:29:47,640
Speaker 2: end of the abyss and did not jump. And when

3271
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:52,960
Speaker 2: we got him, just his daily professionalism and the way

3272
02:29:53,080 --> 02:29:56,040
Speaker 2: he works and then to perform, to go out and

3273
02:29:56,120 --> 02:29:59,680
Speaker 2: perform gave you some confidence. Look, I can't sit here

3274
02:29:59,720 --> 02:30:03,800
Speaker 2: and say there's always going to be some doubt when

3275
02:30:03,879 --> 02:30:06,560
Speaker 2: it comes to injuries, because look, he's had he's had

3276
02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:10,440
Speaker 2: some injuries. But there's been some other cases that we've

3277
02:30:10,520 --> 02:30:14,120
Speaker 2: studied and looked at where they've had some injuries too,

3278
02:30:14,240 --> 02:30:16,039
Speaker 2: quarterbacks have and they've come back and they've had long,

3279
02:30:16,080 --> 02:30:18,720
Speaker 2: successful careers. I'm willing to bet on that, and I'm

3280
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:22,000
Speaker 2: willing to bet on, you know, Daniel, just because of

3281
02:30:22,040 --> 02:30:26,200
Speaker 2: who he is, what he stands for, and his his

3282
02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:30,120
Speaker 2: passion to play the game and to be great at

3283
02:30:30,160 --> 02:30:35,120
Speaker 2: the game. It's a he. He is a He's not

3284
02:30:35,320 --> 02:30:38,720
Speaker 2: just a nine to five guy. I'll never forget where

3285
02:30:38,920 --> 02:30:40,840
Speaker 2: DT David Thorton and I were walking out of the

3286
02:30:40,879 --> 02:30:43,440
Speaker 2: building for the seat. We had just named him the

3287
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:45,920
Speaker 2: starter about a week before. And we're walking out of

3288
02:30:46,000 --> 02:30:49,240
Speaker 2: the building about eight thirty at night and Daniel comes

3289
02:30:49,320 --> 02:30:53,160
Speaker 2: walking back in the building with some food. What are

3290
02:30:53,160 --> 02:30:56,560
Speaker 2: you doing because I got as I'm getting ready you know,

3291
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:59,280
Speaker 2: for the you know, for our first game, and here's

3292
02:30:59,360 --> 02:31:02,160
Speaker 2: I got some things that you need to finish up.

3293
02:31:02,200 --> 02:31:04,000
Speaker 2: He'd gone to eat and he's like, I gotta come

3294
02:31:04,040 --> 02:31:06,720
Speaker 2: back and finish this stuff up. So no, I'm will

3295
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:09,520
Speaker 2: let you. You bet on a guy that that like that,

3296
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:11,480
Speaker 2: that he's gonna come out the other end the way

3297
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:12,800
Speaker 2: we want it to happen.

3298
02:31:13,360 --> 02:31:16,600
Speaker 8: And then Chris, you're going into your tenth season, was

3299
02:31:16,640 --> 02:31:18,840
Speaker 8: going through Google and you look a little younger back then.

3300
02:31:18,879 --> 02:31:21,080
Speaker 9: I guess we all did a I was in high school.

3301
02:31:20,840 --> 02:31:21,800
Speaker 7: Or whatever college.

3302
02:31:22,040 --> 02:31:25,879
Speaker 2: See this, Hey, hey, you don't have that. You know why,

3303
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:28,240
Speaker 2: because you don't have any stress all this gray?

3304
02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:32,240
Speaker 3: See the difference. No, but you got that, but you

3305
02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:33,000
Speaker 3: got that fix.

3306
02:31:33,560 --> 02:31:33,960
Speaker 10: I can't.

3307
02:31:34,280 --> 02:31:36,960
Speaker 2: I can't die this because it's come out gray. And

3308
02:31:37,080 --> 02:31:39,400
Speaker 2: if I diet, everybody will give me cramp for it.

3309
02:31:41,000 --> 02:31:43,040
Speaker 2: They're starting to show up on you. You got about

3310
02:31:43,320 --> 02:31:45,640
Speaker 2: and look here and let me tell you something, James,

3311
02:31:45,879 --> 02:31:48,240
Speaker 2: next time I see you, they better not be They

3312
02:31:48,320 --> 02:31:48,720
Speaker 2: better not.

3313
02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:55,080
Speaker 3: Be black, isn't guy? Oh No, he's no doubt.

3314
02:31:55,840 --> 02:31:59,359
Speaker 9: But along those lines, and you know jokes aside.

3315
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:03,800
Speaker 8: You say you always feel the pressure to deliver going

3316
02:32:03,879 --> 02:32:05,320
Speaker 8: to a year where for the first time of your career,

3317
02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:09,160
Speaker 8: going to find year of your contract. Does the pressure

3318
02:32:09,360 --> 02:32:12,080
Speaker 8: change it all throughout your experience? Does it change you

3319
02:32:12,200 --> 02:32:15,280
Speaker 8: at all? When you're going through a job like this,

3320
02:32:15,480 --> 02:32:17,520
Speaker 8: where every single thing that you do is going to

3321
02:32:17,560 --> 02:32:19,640
Speaker 8: be evaluated, judged, critiqued.

3322
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:21,440
Speaker 9: I'll probably do it myself again this week.

3323
02:32:21,720 --> 02:32:24,360
Speaker 8: Like how do you handle that and deal with that

3324
02:32:24,520 --> 02:32:28,480
Speaker 8: knowing that you want to deliver so badly and you

3325
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:29,600
Speaker 8: could be running out of time?

3326
02:32:29,720 --> 02:32:29,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

3327
02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:34,800
Speaker 2: I like the time thing. I never like. I don't

3328
02:32:34,840 --> 02:32:40,880
Speaker 2: get stressed about that. I'm passionate about. Like when you look,

3329
02:32:40,879 --> 02:32:43,240
Speaker 2: I've had three I'll tell you this. I've had three jobs,

3330
02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:48,200
Speaker 2: four jobs really since college. Okay, five if you count

3331
02:32:48,280 --> 02:32:53,960
Speaker 2: Hitchcock Junior High. But Kingsville, whereas fortunate to learn a

3332
02:32:54,040 --> 02:32:57,360
Speaker 2: lot Chicago can't sity in here. I've been really blessed

3333
02:32:57,400 --> 02:33:02,480
Speaker 2: in every place I've left. It has been hard, Okay,

3334
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:06,240
Speaker 2: and why because I invest in people and I and

3335
02:33:06,320 --> 02:33:08,880
Speaker 2: I don't this is I don't. I've never seen it

3336
02:33:08,959 --> 02:33:12,279
Speaker 2: as just a job. It's about the people in the building,

3337
02:33:12,400 --> 02:33:16,160
Speaker 2: connecting with the people in the building and caring. And

3338
02:33:16,200 --> 02:33:18,560
Speaker 2: every place I've left I've had tears because of it.

3339
02:33:19,879 --> 02:33:23,400
Speaker 2: And one day it'll happen here in Indy, all right,

3340
02:33:23,640 --> 02:33:26,360
Speaker 2: you know, sooner or later, nobody I can't tell the future.

3341
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:29,760
Speaker 2: But there's nothing more that I want than to win

3342
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:32,840
Speaker 2: for the fans of this city. They deserve it. We

3343
02:33:32,959 --> 02:33:36,680
Speaker 2: have great fans, great people. I love the city, I

3344
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:40,680
Speaker 2: love the way. Look, they're respectful. I know on social

3345
02:33:40,760 --> 02:33:43,880
Speaker 2: media they're not respectful because they're too chicken shit to

3346
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:47,440
Speaker 2: come say it in person. Excuse can you blink? Did

3347
02:33:47,480 --> 02:33:48,160
Speaker 2: you blink that mark?

3348
02:33:51,920 --> 02:33:52,840
Speaker 3: But saying that.

3349
02:33:54,720 --> 02:33:58,200
Speaker 2: We've got we've got unbelievable fans and nothing more. I

3350
02:33:58,280 --> 02:34:02,000
Speaker 2: want to win for them, and we're gonna put every year.

3351
02:34:02,040 --> 02:34:04,000
Speaker 2: We put every bit of our effort into doing that.

3352
02:34:04,879 --> 02:34:07,240
Speaker 2: It's hard to be in the arena. It's not for everybody,

3353
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:10,760
Speaker 2: Like it's not this when when you work in a

3354
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:15,000
Speaker 2: in a in a profession where everything you do is

3355
02:34:15,080 --> 02:34:21,080
Speaker 2: going to be scrutinized right or wrong. That's just you

3356
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:22,960
Speaker 2: know what we do. And I'm gonna tell you, Like,

3357
02:34:23,080 --> 02:34:26,600
Speaker 2: for my children, it's been like this has been a

3358
02:34:26,680 --> 02:34:30,000
Speaker 2: cool thing for them, kind of a cool outcome because

3359
02:34:30,040 --> 02:34:33,320
Speaker 2: they've seen the criticism I take. And of course, look

3360
02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:37,960
Speaker 2: at it hurts them, but they have figured out that.

3361
02:34:38,480 --> 02:34:41,039
Speaker 2: You know, I tell them all the time, don't ever

3362
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:43,640
Speaker 2: let another don't ever let another man walk with her

3363
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:47,280
Speaker 2: dirty feet in your mind. Okay, do do the best

3364
02:34:47,360 --> 02:34:51,480
Speaker 2: you can do at anything you're doing, and don't for

3365
02:34:51,640 --> 02:34:56,800
Speaker 2: one second look back and regret anything that has happened

3366
02:34:56,800 --> 02:35:00,880
Speaker 2: along the way. You can't please every everybody all the time,

3367
02:35:02,120 --> 02:35:05,400
Speaker 2: nothing more. There's nothing more I want than being able

3368
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:09,040
Speaker 2: to celebrate with our city downtown. And that's still the

3369
02:35:09,120 --> 02:35:10,480
Speaker 2: vision and that's still the goal.

3370
02:35:10,920 --> 02:35:11,280
Speaker 3: All right.

3371
02:35:11,360 --> 02:35:12,959
Speaker 6: Last thing for me, I know that you and Rick

3372
02:35:13,240 --> 02:35:15,720
Speaker 6: Carlisle will have each other's backs. He's let back and

3373
02:35:15,840 --> 02:35:17,800
Speaker 6: forth with the NBA with the last twenty four hours.

3374
02:35:17,959 --> 02:35:20,199
Speaker 6: Anything you got for Adam Silver of the NBA today

3375
02:35:20,240 --> 02:35:21,240
Speaker 6: on the Pacers.

3376
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:26,160
Speaker 2: Look, I don't know enough about it other than I

3377
02:35:26,280 --> 02:35:29,680
Speaker 2: love Rick Carlisle and I love the Pacer organization and

3378
02:35:29,800 --> 02:35:32,040
Speaker 2: I think they're freaking really good at their jobs.

3379
02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:36,280
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. You're getting the head

3380
02:35:37,080 --> 02:35:38,039
Speaker 3: good about.

3381
02:35:37,800 --> 02:35:38,200
Speaker 2: It, Connie.

3382
02:35:38,360 --> 02:35:39,720
Speaker 3: I know, Matt he knew.

3383
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:43,160
Speaker 2: I was wanting to give an answer to they can't

3384
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:45,960
Speaker 2: find me, I mean, Silver can't find me if I

3385
02:35:46,040 --> 02:35:48,720
Speaker 2: tell them they screwed them for freaking finding them one

3386
02:35:48,800 --> 02:35:50,760
Speaker 2: hundred grand. I don't work for the NBA and I

3387
02:35:50,840 --> 02:35:53,600
Speaker 2: never will. I mean, I don't know what to tell you.

3388
02:35:53,840 --> 02:35:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean they screwed them. I mean I know Rick,

3389
02:35:56,360 --> 02:35:59,160
Speaker 2: he's got integrit. I know the organization. I shouldn't get

3390
02:35:59,240 --> 02:36:01,800
Speaker 2: match back their shape in his head. Anyway, We're good.

3391
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:04,080
Speaker 3: We appreciate you coming by.

3392
02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:04,720
Speaker 12: We do.

3393
02:36:04,959 --> 02:36:08,000
Speaker 3: Thanks for the time, Thank good luck, and we'll talk

3394
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:09,960
Speaker 3: to you soon. There you go.

3395
02:36:10,200 --> 02:36:11,920
Speaker 6: That is gonna wrap it up for us in a

3396
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:14,320
Speaker 6: very busy day today here on the Fan Morning Show,

3397
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:17,480
Speaker 6: Chris Baller, the general manager of the Indianapolis Colt, stopping

3398
02:36:17,560 --> 02:36:19,640
Speaker 6: by as he does every year at the comby.

3399
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:20,800
Speaker 3: We appreciate that time.

3400
02:36:21,400 --> 02:36:24,480
Speaker 6: We'll turn you over to ESPN Radio momentarily, and Clinton Yates.

3401
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:26,960
Speaker 6: We got Jake from noon to three today and then

3402
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:31,720
Speaker 6: JMV from three to six tonight. Butler Basketball airs at

3403
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:33,920
Speaker 6: six point thirty, tip at seven o'clock.

3404
02:36:34,480 --> 02:36:35,680
Speaker 3: Enjoy your Wednesday,