1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: The shenanigans from the elected people. Case they just they 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: never stopped. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: Never stops, It just keeps going. Well, let's talk about it, 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: shall we. 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 3: It is the Kennel and Casey Show. Thank you, good morning. 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: If you're a part of this number one rated radio family, 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: we appreciate you beyond belief. And if you're a regular 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: listener to this program, one of the things you know 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: that we harp on all the time is how the 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: entire system of governance is broken. It's yes, there are 11 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: individual bad actors, and we're going to talk about one 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: alleged bad actor here in just a moment, But the 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: system itself in how we govern ourselves in the state 14 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: of Indiana is completely broken. And the system as is 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: currently created and in place, allows people to pull the 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: sort of shenanigans that this person allegedly pulled over a 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: very long period of time. The system itself should be 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: catching these people. It should not take a decade, it 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: should not take years of bad behavior. And yet, and 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: yet it happens over and over and over again. And 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: then when you look at the lawmakers and say, hey, 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: system kind of sucks, yeah, they go, thank you for 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: contacting my office. I'll try to get back to you 24 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: as soon as possible. We'll get on that, and you 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: often never even get a callback. 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: Right. 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: So what we're talking about here is the local government system, 28 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: how the whole thing is set up. And I think 29 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: the past year as when they know, with the property 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: tax debate, you saw more than ever before if you 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: were remotely paying attention, because we were sort of like, 32 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: where does my money go? Why do they keep taking 33 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: so much money? How does this keep happening. One of 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: the things that came out again in all of these 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: hearings on property taxes that didn't get near enough discussion 36 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: is there's too much local government. There's too much local 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: government that's unaccountable. There's too much local government that doesn't 38 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: make any sense. What Ed Delaney laid out the number. 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: He's a Democrats State rep from Indianapolis. He laid out 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: the number, and it was some crazy like twenty eight 41 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: or twenty nine hundred units of local government in the 42 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: state of Indiana. Almost three thousand units of local government. 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: There's no need for that, But there's also no way 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: to possibly properly police and make sure that everything is 45 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: on the up and up. It simply cannot be done. 46 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, way too many levels and. 47 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: Perhaps the biggest abuser. I'll look the school corporations. 48 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: If we're going to talk about who's the biggest abuser 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: of irresponsibly spending money, it rests in the school corporation 50 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: the most amount. We have two football fields in Brownsburg, now, Casey, 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: I was. 52 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: Wondering about that, is one for jv and once for varsity. 53 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: What's going on there? 54 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: Want a practice field? When's a game field? 56 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: I challenge somebody right now if you go to the 57 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: corner of Tilden and Odell in the town of Brownsburg, Indiana, 58 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: and you just stare at that complex. It rivals college 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: football stadium. If you were to take a Division two 60 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: college football stadium and compare it to what you see. 61 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: The taxpayers have funded a nicer complex in the press box, field, turf, bleachers, 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: and they were like, no, that's not. 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: Enough, we need more. How are we test scores? We 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: need a second one. 65 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Well, in fairness, they are the best, but I think 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: they're like, what are they sixty one sixty two percent? 67 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 1: Like we're the top, or we're the we're the we're 68 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: the tallest short person. But it's like it's utterally ridiculous. 69 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: So in terms of the amount of money, et cetera, 70 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: the school corporations. But if we're talking about just pure 71 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: waste and we need the bobs to come in and go, 72 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: what do you do here? 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: Way's fraud and abuse. 74 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: Those are some of our favorite words, aren't they. 75 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: It's the township governments. Yeah, there's no reason for these 76 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: people to exist. They laid it out in these hearings 77 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: that they're sitting on these hundreds of millions of dollars 78 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: with absolutely nothing to do. And now here's another story. 79 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: According to w THHR and numerous other media outlets across 80 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: the Greater Indiana State of Indiana, ex Columbus trustee charged 81 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: after spending one million dollars in county money on personal charges. 82 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: Small town corruption gone wild. 83 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: Do you remember those Girls Gone Wild videos? You'll see 84 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: whoo ah, same thing you'll see ooh. 85 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: Oh, except this guy probably kept his clothes on. Benjamin 86 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: Jackson is facing almost twenty charges for allegedly using the 87 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: county's credit card on illegal expenses. 88 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was using it like his own little personal piggybank, 89 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: wasn't he. You want to break down what he was 90 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: spending it on? 91 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: But I just want to repeat this. It's one million dollars. 92 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: It's one million dollars. And this guy started of your 93 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: money with the Columbus as the Columbus Township trustee in 94 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and he got away with this alleged behavior 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: for years until the State Board of Accounts received. 96 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: An anonymous tip. 97 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: Of course, it's twenty twenty four, so there is this 98 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: g The State Board of Accounts is a taxpayer funded 99 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: entity that their job is to audit or look at, 100 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it, the units of 101 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: local government. Well, when you have twenty almost three thousand 102 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: of them, they're busy. They can't get to all of them, 103 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: and they've got to either be told where to look 104 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: right like the crime is being committed over here, or 105 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: they've got to accidentally catch it in a basic audit 106 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: of money, or oftentimes it just doesn't get caught because 107 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: there's so many people to look at. 108 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: Do we know how many employees there are on the 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: State Board of asual? 110 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: Yea not enough? 111 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well clearly not enough because this. 112 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 2: Was going on for a while and the rods flag you. 113 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: Know, who's supposed to be looking at this and catching it, 114 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: like the board, the board that oversees this. 115 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: What are these people doing? Aren't they supposed to be? 116 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: I mean this guy, there's a million bucks allegedly of 117 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: stuff that wasn't being spent correct, And nobody on that 118 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: board was like, ah, could you explain the blah blah blah. 119 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: It took an anonymous tip eight. 120 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: Years down the road. Right. 121 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: So the guy the township trustee, he is the township 122 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 2: credit card, and he was spending six hundred and fifty 123 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars on travel, traveling to wear you're a 124 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: township trustee by New Zealand, Germany Disney, one hundred and 125 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars on shopping, ninety thousand dollars on school tuition, 126 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 2: forty thousand dollars on utilities, thirty one thousand dollars eating 127 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: out at restaurants, and then over one thousand dollars on weed, booze, sunglasses, 128 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: weed massages, coffees. Yes, I said weed. 129 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: Okay, this is marijuana again, like I said. 130 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: WTHR, amongst numerous other outlets, has the story on this guy. 131 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: So he appears to be a pretty bad actor and 132 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: hopefully they throw the book at him if if he 133 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: indeed did do the things he's alleged to have done. 134 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: But the bigger problem. 135 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: You want to know why your property taxes are out 136 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: of control. You want to know why the system never 137 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: gets fixed because this stuff, this layer of government exists. 138 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Township governments in eighteen sixty seven probably served a purpose. 139 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: Now you know what. 140 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: The purpose They serves as a feeder system to the 141 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: political parties. That's the primary focus of township government now 142 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: is to be these trustees are the feeder system to 143 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: elevate up the political ladder. Which is why almost twenty 144 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: years ago, a bipartisan commission, which the heads were former 145 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: Democrat Governor Joe Kernin and Republican Chief Justice of the 146 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court Randall Shepherd, said get rid of these things. 147 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: Twenty years ago almost now, they said get rid of 148 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: these things because this crap was happening then, right, and 149 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: this crap is certainly happening now. 150 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: And they have no purpose. 151 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: There's nothing that the townships do so it can't be 152 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: done by another lay of government at a fraction of 153 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: the costs. And this is the stuff that is taking 154 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: place inside of your townships, and yet the lawmakers won't 155 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: touch it. And you know why, because that's who they fear. 156 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: They know the people to run against them, the most 157 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: likely people to run against them, because they got the power, 158 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: and they got the money, and they got the boy, 159 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: they got the ability to get the ear of the 160 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: people in the community. Are these township trustee people or 161 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: the board people, and so as a result, you keep 162 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: getting screwed. 163 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: It's just another example of bloated bureaucracy. One of my 164 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: favorite statistics in all of this story, only nine percent 165 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: of this guy's expenses were legit township business. Ninety one 166 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: percent was theft. 167 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: And then when you get told hey, maybe we should 168 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: do something about that, the General Assembly, Governor Brawn, They're like, 169 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: they're there, Who wasn't Our friend Monica Boyer, who is 170 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: a conservative activist in northeastern Indiana, she said she talked 171 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: to one of these senators the other day and he 172 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: just straight up said, we're done with property taxes. 173 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: Done with property taxes. But I thought Governor Braun had 174 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: some acepists. 175 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: Bron and beck With both said, oh, we're coming back 176 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: for more next year. 177 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: Well, Casey, I don't know. If you know how the 178 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: government works. 179 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: It takes action by the House and the Senate right, 180 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: and then of course there's no veto from the governor 181 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: because bron said that's pointless. 182 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's what I was wondering. Can the governor 183 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: now create laws and pass them on his own? 184 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean, holcome did yes, So just have it's shutting down, 185 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: the shutting down the state, putting you out of work, right. 186 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: Governor Broun now have this authority because he told the 187 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: group of people that yeah, they were gonna come back 188 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 2: and review property taxes. But of course according to the Senator, no, 189 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 2: they're done. 190 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 191 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: So the question to Braun and to Micah is what 192 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: are you coming back for? We're into July, we are 193 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 1: all we have almost made it to August, which means September, October, 194 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: November Org day in which they lay out the agendas 195 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: three months away. 196 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: What are y'all coming back for? 197 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: And you should probably get your we're selling shoes on 198 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: because the Senate says, we ain't doing nothing. 199 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: So big or small government waste corruption, they are real 200 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: and it's always at your expense. So we've got to 201 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: shrink the government, increase oversight and also election responsible adults. 202 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: And we are going to have a story. 203 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: At least we're scheduled to have a story later this 204 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: week on what appears to be pretty serious actions taken 205 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: by a local elected official and. 206 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: How that appears just to have went away. 207 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: This is the one guy who got caught, and somebody's 208 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: going forward with it. 209 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: Think about the ones that just pop, just disappears, just disappear.