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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the gun Guy boom boom boom.

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Speaker 3: With Guy Ralford on ninety three w YBC.

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Speaker 4: And good afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guys show

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Speaker 4: here on ninety three WYBC. And thrill that you're with us.

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Speaker 4: First of all, some happy news and that is that

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Speaker 4: I really enjoyed. I really want to thank the Salvation

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Speaker 4: Army of Central Indiana who put on their clays for

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Speaker 4: a cause fundraiser here just day before yesterday out at

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Speaker 4: Indiana Gun Club. And listen, I brag on Indiana Gun Club.

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Speaker 4: They certainly have done advertising with me, so take that

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Speaker 4: for what it's worth. I love shooting sporting clays out there.

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Speaker 4: That's where I learned how to shoot sporting clays really

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Speaker 4: only a few years ago. It's just a great facility

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Speaker 4: with great people and Salvation Army and WIBC obviously have

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Speaker 4: a long and productive history where WIBC does the radiothon

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Speaker 4: every year and I've done segments on radiothon before, and

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Speaker 4: every year it seems like WIBC raises more money and

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Speaker 4: sets more records raising money for Salvation Army of Central Indiana,

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Speaker 4: and I'm a big fan of that organization. You know,

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Speaker 4: there are a lot of charitable organizations out there that

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Speaker 4: delivered to the intended beneficiaries of that charity. In other words,

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Speaker 4: most charities that that report publicly will release may you

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Speaker 4: to salaries and other administrative costs, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: And some of them I won't name names, but I've

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Speaker 4: been turned off of some national even organizations to support

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Speaker 4: That percentage is always very very very high in terms

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Speaker 4: the needy, the underprivileged, abused here right here in Central Indiana.

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Speaker 4: And that's what's nice too. When you contribute to Central

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Speaker 4: I think that's both comforting and rewarding to people who

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Speaker 4: contribute to the organization. But all that went into my

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Speaker 4: this week out at Indiana Gun Club, put on by

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Speaker 4: Central Indiana Salvation Army. And listen, it was a great event.

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Speaker 4: We lived with some good weather. It's a little bit warm,

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Speaker 4: but not bad at all, and it was full. They

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Speaker 4: that went great and it was smoothly run. Gordon Gamilla,

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Speaker 4: hell of an event. He's also a health a chef

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Speaker 4: and that is the team I was on actually one

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Speaker 4: In fact, I may have been, oh say, maybe toward

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Speaker 4: the assassination, the political assassination. Let's call it what it

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Speaker 4: He said when people use the word empathy, He's not

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Speaker 4: sure they understood the fact that empathy means you're trying

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Speaker 4: to place yourself in the in the exact position of

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Speaker 4: someone else in experience exactly it is what it is

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Speaker 4: that they're experiencing. And while that may be commendable, he

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Speaker 4: much prefers the term sympathy and compassion because sympathy and

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Speaker 4: compassion is you, as a separate person, reaching out to

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Speaker 4: that person and feeling and expressing to them your sense

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Speaker 4: of loss along with them. That is, you, as a

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Speaker 4: separate person, are trying to console them with sympathy and

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Speaker 4: with compassion. And that's why he preferred the term. And

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Speaker 4: for somebody to just say that Charlie Kirk didn't like

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Speaker 4: the word empathy and to use that to portray him

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Speaker 4: as some cold hearted bastard that deserves no respect even

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Speaker 4: in death, is an intentional mischaracterization of what is he said.

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Speaker 4: You need to go on and to say he much

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Speaker 4: prefers the word sympathy and compassion, and what better word

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Speaker 4: to describe someone in this context than compassionate. But that's

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Speaker 4: the kind of bs that were put up with when

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Speaker 4: people want to mischaracterize what I want to to play

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Speaker 4: for you now, and we're gonna go ahead and take

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Speaker 4: a break because I'm gonna come back and break this

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Speaker 4: down a bit. We're going to play for you now.

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Speaker 4: Is a quote see here exactly I won't have to

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Speaker 4: paraphrase it that that people are saying, well, I have

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Speaker 4: no huh, empathy or sympathy or compassion, pick your word

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Speaker 4: there for Charlie Kirk having been killed, especially with a gun,

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Speaker 4: since he said some number of gun desks are just

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Speaker 4: okay with him, and he he rationalized and was okay

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Speaker 4: with the idea of children being killed. This is exactly

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Speaker 4: how this is being mischaracterized, just so we can quote

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Speaker 4: unquote have a second Amendment. Here's what Charlie actually said.

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Speaker 7: So we need to be very clear that you're not

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Speaker 7: going to get gun debts to zero. It will not happen.

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Speaker 7: You could significantly reduce them. Th're having more fathers in

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Speaker 7: the home. Yes, by having more arm guards in front

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Speaker 7: of schools. We should have an honest and clear reduction

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Speaker 7: this view of gun violence.

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Speaker 3: But we said not have a utopian one.

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Speaker 7: You will never live in a society when you have

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Speaker 7: an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death.

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Speaker 7: That is nonsense. It's drible, but I am I think

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Speaker 7: it's I think it's worth it. I think it's worth

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Speaker 7: to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every

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Speaker 7: single year so that we can have the Second Amendment

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Speaker 7: to protect our other God given rights. That is a

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Speaker 7: prudent deal.

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Speaker 4: And with that, let's take a break. I'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: We'll go to the phone lines. We have, any callers.

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Speaker 4: I haven't checked that out here for a while. Three

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Speaker 4: one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three, three

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Speaker 4: one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three. We

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Speaker 4: come back. I'm gonna talk about why the characterization of

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Speaker 4: the quote you just heard from Charlie Kirk was so

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Speaker 4: has been so completely unfair to say he's okay with

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Speaker 4: children dying just so we can quote unquote have a

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Speaker 4: Second Amendment. That's not what he's saying, that's not what

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Speaker 4: he meant, and that mischaracterization, along with many others, just

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Speaker 4: shows how far so many will go to try to

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Speaker 4: demonize someone who really ought to be respected, certainly having

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Speaker 4: lost him, We'll be right back. This is Guy Ralford

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Speaker 4: on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Sure Rights, your responsibilities your guns. This is the Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on WYDC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. So the quote you heard just before

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Speaker 4: the break from Charlie Kirk has been so dramatically mischaracterized.

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Speaker 4: What do you really say? He said? First of all,

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Speaker 4: there's no way you're going to get gun deaths to zero.

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Speaker 4: I mean, is that disputable in America today? Are we

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Speaker 4: ever going to get gun deaths to zero? Well, it's

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Speaker 4: not subject to any rational dispute that. No, obviously you're

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Speaker 4: never going to get that number to zero. But when

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Speaker 4: you listen to liberals and gun control proponents, what do

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Speaker 4: you castan here? We could end school shootings if we

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Speaker 4: just ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines. I've seen

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Speaker 4: that sign. I've heard people say exactly that. I've heard

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Speaker 4: politicians say that, major national politicians, well, in school shootings

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Speaker 4: if we just passed on assault weapons ban, but the

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Speaker 4: Republicans don't have the heart to do it because they're

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Speaker 4: in the pocket of the TERA. Well, I'm sorry, the

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Speaker 4: NA doesn't wield that kind of influence. Certainly not anymore,

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Speaker 4: and it never did to that degree. It makes no

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Speaker 4: sense to me. But secondly, does that even make logically?

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Speaker 4: Does it make any damn sense. The worst school shooting

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Speaker 4: in history is you've heard me say on the air

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Speaker 4: before the wort school shooting was at Virginia Tech. Twenty

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Speaker 4: two deaths, as I recall, with two handguns. Is there

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Speaker 4: a logical proposal out there, a rational proposal out there

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Speaker 4: right now to ban handguns. I'm sure a lot of

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Speaker 4: liberals love to do so. They love to ban every

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Speaker 4: gun on the planet, but the Supreme Court said that's

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Speaker 4: not possible. So this ending school shootings is a complete farce.

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Speaker 4: Is it's impossible, will never happen. And let's say you

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Speaker 4: did ban all firearms together. Let's just say, like we've say,

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Speaker 4: banned heroin, how's that working out. Let's ban fetanyl. Great,

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Speaker 4: no one will ever get killed by an overdose of

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Speaker 4: fentanyl again. Or maybe that doesn't work quite that way.

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Speaker 4: And people have this utopian view. They're like, if we

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Speaker 4: pass this law or that law, we passed it as

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Speaker 4: as Sulivan banned tomorrow, It's like they literally think that

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Speaker 4: means we can push a button in all the so

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Speaker 4: called political bs term but all the so called a

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Speaker 4: Soulovan spons assault weapons would disappear tomorrow. Does it make

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Speaker 4: any sense? Doesn't make any sense to any thinking rational

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Speaker 4: human being.

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Speaker 3: Of course not.

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Speaker 4: You could ban all firearms tomorrow, give them up or

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Speaker 4: destroy them, or you're gonna face the rest of your

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Speaker 4: life in prison. Well, who's gonna give him up? The

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Speaker 4: law abiding citizens? Who's not?

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Speaker 5: Come on?

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Speaker 4: Is that a hard question? So all Charlie's saying is

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Speaker 4: you're not gonna get gun desks to zero. So yes,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna have some desks every year. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 4: we have the Second Amendment, that is the protection for

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Speaker 4: all of the rights we have as citizenry that, yes,

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Speaker 4: is capable of standing up to a tyrannical government. Exactly

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Speaker 4: is the founder's ad vision, exactly the reason they wrote

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Speaker 4: the Second Amendment to begin with. Is there a price

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Speaker 4: to pay for liberty?

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Speaker 3: You bet?

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Speaker 4: Is there a price for having a First Amendment? Yes,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna hear the idiocy and ignorance from not real Nazis,

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Speaker 4: not those of us accused of that every day, but

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Speaker 4: real idiots, knuckle dragging morons who are really Nazis. Yes,

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Speaker 4: we have to listen to them too. Unfortunately, at least

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Speaker 4: they have a voice. Is our downside to protection against

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Speaker 4: illegal searches? And seizures. Yes, some drug dealers are gonna

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Speaker 4: get away because police had to run and get a

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Speaker 4: warrant before they can kick a door in. Does that

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Speaker 4: mean it's not worth it having that liberty and having

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Speaker 4: an armed society, or some people gonna die at the

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Speaker 4: muzzle of a gun. The answer is yes. Does that

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Speaker 4: mean we eliminate that freedom? No, that was the point

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk made. That's a fair point, that's an indisputable point.

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Speaker 4: But he's being demonized over it anyway. That's what's so

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Speaker 4: colossally unfair. Where at the end of the hour, tell

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Speaker 4: you what, if you're on hold, don't give up, have

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Speaker 4: some patience over the break. We'll come back to you

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Speaker 4: right when we come back at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 4: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 4: ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom, boom, boom,

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Speaker 2: bang bang.

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Speaker 3: Bom Guy Ralford on ninety three w YBC.

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Speaker 4: Well, and welcome back for hour number two of the

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Speaker 4: Gun Guys Show here on ninety three WYBC. We're talking

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Speaker 4: about the senseless, certainly tragic and and and for a

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Speaker 4: lot of us heartbreaking loss of Charlie kirk At at

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Speaker 4: the hands of an assassin who, to me committed one

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Speaker 4: of those cowardly Actually, possibly, could you disagree with what

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Speaker 4: somebody has to say when he's literally at the moment

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Speaker 4: offering you a microphone to come up and explain to

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Speaker 4: him why you disagree, you hate him, Come up and

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Speaker 4: tell him why, come up and support that with some

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Speaker 4: rational basis, some law, some facts, as he said, as

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Speaker 4: I've been educated here by the YouTube commenters. Uh, he said,

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Speaker 4: prove me wrong, as on a tent open invitation. Now

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Speaker 4: I'm not able to prove you wrong, but I'm so

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Speaker 4: I'm so angered by what you have to say. I

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Speaker 4: won't make any attempt to actually prove you wrong. I

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Speaker 4: want to make any attempt to actually explain my convictions

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Speaker 4: and why I believe is I do country to your beliefs,

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Speaker 4: I'll just dress in all black hide on a rooftop

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Speaker 4: and kill you from two hundred yards away. If there's

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Speaker 4: been a more cowardly political act ever in the history

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Speaker 4: of this country. I'm not sure I know what it is,

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Speaker 4: simply because Charlie offers anybody who what's one the microphone.

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Speaker 4: But with that, I'll tell you what. We've had a

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Speaker 4: number of people who called in before the break and

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Speaker 4: thanks so much for your patience. Let's go to the

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Speaker 4: phone lines, and Brian has called Brian. Thanks so much

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Speaker 4: for calling the Gun Guy show tonight.

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Speaker 8: Hello guy, I just wanted to give my candolos to

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Speaker 8: the burd family. I'm that's just such a tragedy. And

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Speaker 8: then the change subject, I'd like to ask your opinion

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Speaker 8: about it. I'm looking at a Rossi three fifty seven

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Speaker 8: magnum three yea barrel click shot and if if you're

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Speaker 8: a yeah, you're a name.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's a ya. I mean absolutely, Rossie's a

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Speaker 4: quality gun and I own a three fifty seven magnum

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Speaker 4: Mine is a is a Smith and Wesson. Uh what

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Speaker 4: is it?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Six twenty six I think is my model number. Gosh,

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Speaker 4: it's been long enough since I've I've tried to think,

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Speaker 4: but no, no, Rossi's a fine gun, three pot fifty

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Speaker 4: seven with a three inch barrel, solid gun, you know,

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Speaker 4: and and and man, I law enforcement carried very similar

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Speaker 4: gun to that for years and years and years. So no,

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Speaker 4: that's absolutely a thumbs up for me. It's back to

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Speaker 4: the phone lines, and I'm sure I'm going to mispronounce this.

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Speaker 4: Is it AMMERANKI?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's a'maranke.

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Speaker 4: Okay, i'maron k. I was close. I'm sorry. I meant

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Speaker 4: no disrespect.

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Speaker 5: No, it's okay, okay.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for calling in.

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Speaker 6: Yes, thank you so much for inviting us. You know,

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Speaker 6: I feel like this is such an important topic that

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Speaker 6: you bring up, and thank you for this opportunity to

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Speaker 6: just speak out. Sure, you know, I'm a licensed clinical

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Speaker 6: social worker in Indiana and Florida, and so I first

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Speaker 6: hand see how generational trauma shapes mental health, especially in

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Speaker 6: the most impoverished, in the black communities, the LGBT communities,

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Speaker 6: the woman communities, populations that have been systematically just ignored.

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Speaker 6: And I need to say this plainly, these gun debates

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Speaker 6: our distraction. The people most obsessed with taking rights away

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Speaker 6: are often struggling themselves with their own mental health and

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Speaker 6: have no real place in these political fights. And this

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Speaker 6: is not just an issue, It's an amendment issue. This

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Speaker 6: is not a gun issue. After the Civil War ended

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Speaker 6: in eighteen sixty five, the Fourteenth Amendment, the fifteenth Amendment

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Speaker 6: guaranteeing us black folks right, that was put in place,

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Speaker 6: and so through the Jimcrow era of the nineteen by

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Speaker 6: the nineteen hundreds, you know, after Jim Crow Mississippi, ninety

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Speaker 6: percent of Blacks were voting in Mississippi. By the end

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Speaker 6: in eighteen ninety two only six percent. Because of the

653
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Speaker 6: blood that.

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Speaker 3: Was paid was by black folks. It was through.

655
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Speaker 6: Lynchings, beatings, constant assaults on our dignity. And so when

656
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Speaker 6: I hear debates about the Second Amendment, I see a

657
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 6: smoke screen, because if one amendment can be stripped away,

658
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Speaker 6: it gives a legal basis. Every lawyer knows this. It

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Speaker 6: gives a legal basis for others to disappear for black Americans.

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Speaker 6: That's not a type of theory that we need in

661
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 6: our history. We should be investing in counseling, trauma services,

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00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 6: financial security, strong communities, creating networks so that people Americans

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Speaker 6: can help Americans in their hardest time. We should not

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Speaker 6: be focusing wasting money on dismantling constitutional protections that are

665
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Speaker 6: here to protect us all. And so when rights vanished,

666
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Speaker 6: communities are always fractured. And it's those who are suffering

667
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 6: the most who are fractured the most, you know, and

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Speaker 6: their safety and well being it's completely lost. And so

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Speaker 6: every community deserves the right to be able to protect themselves.

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Speaker 4: Oh amarn kay, I couldnot possibly agree with you more.

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Speaker 4: And in fact, that is so eloquently stated. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you mentioned the Fourteenth Amendment, passed after the Civil War

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Speaker 4: specifically meant to make sure of equal protection under the law.

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Speaker 4: What good does equal protection under the law really do

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Speaker 4: for any population of people? And we know specifically what

676
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 4: population that was intended. I mean, obviously it's all all Americans,

677
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Speaker 4: but specifically motivated by the experiences of the post Civil

678
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Speaker 4: War former slaves in this country. What good does it

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Speaker 4: do if we're willing to turn our back on that

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Speaker 4: law and turn our back on the Constitution and not

681
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Speaker 4: take full advantage of what of what the fourteenth Amendment,

682
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Speaker 4: as well as the rest of the Constitution was intended

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Speaker 4: to preserve for all of us, exactly.

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Speaker 6: And that's my point exactly. And so this is a

685
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Speaker 6: smoke screen. This is really an amendment issue. The gun

686
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 6: issue is just a smoke screen that really we're talking

687
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Speaker 6: about amendments being eroded.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't possibly agree with you more. And I gotta

689
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Speaker 4: tell you it's my favorite call in a long time.

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Speaker 4: You call back into The Gun Guy Show any time

691
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Speaker 4: you want to, because it was an honor to have

692
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Speaker 4: you on this show tonight, Jeff, I'll tell you what,

693
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Speaker 4: that's a tough one to follow. Brother, Welcome to the

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Speaker 4: Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 5: I don't know I could do that, sir, in the

696
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Speaker 5: first in the first place, Guy, thank you for what

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Speaker 5: you do for Indiana.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: I'd say it for the two as I had around it. Man,

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Speaker 5: I'm sixty four years old. I got a twenty four

701
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Speaker 5: year old daughter telling me, and I watched Charlie Kirk

702
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Speaker 5: sometimes on YouTube and everything. Yeah, and I thought they

703
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Speaker 5: were doing a great thing. Because I ain't gonna lie

704
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: to you. I graduated in seventy eight and I went

705
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Speaker 5: into the service. I came back and some of the

706
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Speaker 5: people that have went to college, I didn't know them

707
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Speaker 5: anymore because they they had done there right, they had

708
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Speaker 5: done their brainwashing and already starting it.

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Speaker 4: And that was in nineteen seventy eight. I mean the

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Speaker 4: brainwashing in our so called higher institutions is a hell

711
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Speaker 4: of a lot worse than it was when I went

712
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Speaker 4: to school. I'm only two years ahead of you in school.

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Speaker 4: I graduated in seventy six. I went into college and

714
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Speaker 4: even what is now a very liberal college over at DePaul,

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Speaker 4: and it's a hell of a lot worse now than

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Speaker 4: it was then. But I absolutely take your point.

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Speaker 5: So my daughter, who's twenty four now, okay, she's a

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Speaker 5: sad second marriage, so she's twenty four, and she was

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Speaker 5: like that, I just don't understand it. Why is it

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Speaker 5: always the liberals and the And I am not going

721
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Speaker 5: to I'm not here to denounce any anybody in their politics,

722
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Speaker 5: but I am a conservative and a Republican. Why is it?

723
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Speaker 5: She asked me that it's always they. They hide anything

724
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Speaker 5: that happens with the Democratic or someone that lean's left

725
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 5: assassinating or trying to assassinate or do anything else, and

726
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Speaker 5: they and they, you know, and I explained to her,

727
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Speaker 5: I went back biblically and I said, you know, can

728
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Speaker 5: and Abel, it doesn't have anything to do with a gun.

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Speaker 4: It was a rock.

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Speaker 5: I mean, come on, people are going to kill people

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Speaker 5: and it doesn't have to do with a gun. But

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Speaker 5: the guns were invented to protect yourself when they were

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Speaker 5: maybe for war. But I can't get it. I can't

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Speaker 5: wrap my head around it.

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Speaker 4: No, and I agree with you, and listen, I've got

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Speaker 4: adult kids, Jeff, and and I'd be lying if I

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Speaker 4: said all three of my kids share my politics, some

738
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Speaker 4: little more than others, some absolutely do not. But you know,

739
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Speaker 4: what we are able to do as a family is

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Speaker 4: able to sit down and debate those issues and do

741
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Speaker 4: it respectfully and do it rationally. And there are times

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Speaker 4: when you know, in debating things like Second Amendment issues,

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Speaker 4: for instance, I've got one son. He's a school teacher

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Speaker 4: and he's in Denver, Colorado, and he's politically is very,

745
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Speaker 4: very different than me. I'll guarantee you we've voted differently

746
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 4: for a lot of years. But we can sit down

747
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: and talk about Second Amendment issues and he listens, and

748
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Speaker 4: he listens with an open mind, and he's willing to

749
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Speaker 4: apply logic and facts and reason and those kinds of discussions.

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Speaker 4: And frankly, that takes me back, and I didn't do

751
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Speaker 4: this intentionally. Takes me back to the discussion of Charlie

752
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Speaker 4: Kirk and why it's such a huge loss, because because

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Speaker 4: it really is a lot like discussions I'll have around

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Speaker 4: the dinner table when we're together. And again, again, being

755
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 4: a thousand miles apart makes it a little difficult sometimes.

756
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Speaker 4: And and we can have debates and and and it's

757
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 4: and and and and it's improved me wrong mentality, because

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Speaker 4: to ask that question, or to make that challenge means

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00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 4: you have to be open to the possibility of being

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00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: proven wrong and to listen to both sides. He listened

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Speaker 4: to the other side and consider both sides of any

762
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Speaker 4: given argument. And that's just so important. And that's what

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Speaker 4: Charlie Cook Kirk stood for. It was and was he

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Speaker 4: emphatic and passionate about his beliefs about his religion and

765
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Speaker 4: being a child of God, and and and about the Constitution,

766
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Speaker 4: and about his love for this country and his support

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Speaker 4: for conservative values. Of course, he was passionate about all

768
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Speaker 4: those things, but he was still willing to sit and

769
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Speaker 4: listen and engage in a a in a in a

770
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 4: good faith debate and allows someone the opportunity to quote

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Speaker 4: unquote prove him wrong. And and and I love that.

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00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 4: I love that about him, And and I'm going to

773
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: miss that horribly And you know, we heard from his beautiful,

774
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 4: beautiful wife Eric I believe her name is As I

775
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: watched her interview last night, or her public statement is

776
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: probably a better description, and she said she's not going

777
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 4: to let Turning Point USA dies. She's not going to

778
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 4: let Charlie's message die. She will make sure that his

779
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 4: memory endoors and that his mission continues. And I'm really

780
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Speaker 4: fascinated to see what form that takes, because it's a

781
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: voice we need. It's an approach to political issues that

782
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: we need for all the reasons I've talked about throughout

783
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Speaker 4: the show. A willingness to listen, a willingness to accept

784
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: anyone else's opportunity to express their views and to explain

785
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 4: why you're wrong, to explain why they believe. And again,

786
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Speaker 4: all the labels, fascist, nazi, racist, homophobe, transphobe, all the language,

787
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Speaker 4: and he would simply explain to them, with a smile

788
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 4: on his vice, why they were wrong and challenge them

789
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Speaker 4: to refute his points. And they never could. And I

790
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 4: think that's even why this one particular coward chose to

791
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: end his life rather than engagement in a debate. To me,

792
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: is what we call it tacit admissions admission. That's that's

793
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 4: something you learn learned a long long time ago in

794
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 4: law school, which is sometimes you can admit things without

795
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 4: expressly admitting them. In other words, your silence constitutes an

796
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 4: admission in certain circumstances where a normal person would agree

797
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 4: and do so emphatically, and you're silent. That's exactly what

798
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 4: we call it, a tacit admission. And being asked being

799
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Speaker 4: you know, to watch someone sitting on a stage handing

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Speaker 4: out microphones to anyone who wants to walk up and

801
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: engage him and choosing instead to shoot him. Yes, as cowardly,

802
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 4: indespicable and inhumane as that is, as worthy of the

803
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 4: severest punishments we have to hand out in this country,

804
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 4: it's also cowardly, and it's an admission that had you

805
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 4: taken that microphone, you to follow on your face, embarrassed

806
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 4: yourself and been completely incapable of proving Charlie Kirk wrong

807
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Speaker 4: about anything. And with that we're taking a break. Great

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Speaker 4: callers tonight, thanks so much for calling in love, Love Love,

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Speaker 4: our callers, give us a call, Join the discussion. Three

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Speaker 4: one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three three

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Speaker 4: one seven two nine ninety three ninety three. This is

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Speaker 4: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: Ed Welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WIBC. And thanks again to our callers. Wow, great,

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Speaker 4: great callers, Uh tonight and we love it when you

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Speaker 4: join the show, So give us a call, join the discussion.

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Speaker 4: Three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three. Well,

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Speaker 4: we'll go back to the phone lines here in just

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Speaker 4: a bit, but before we do, I also want to

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Speaker 4: comment on some other things that are that are out

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Speaker 4: there on social media or being floated around by various

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Speaker 4: network talking heads, and a lot of it is I

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Speaker 4: don't I started to say irritating. I don't know about

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Speaker 4: irritating to me, but just noteworthy to me, perhaps in

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Speaker 4: a somewhat negative sense. And I'll talk about a couple

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Speaker 4: of things. You know, a lot of people and this

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Speaker 4: is true before the suspect was identified and arrested, but

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Speaker 4: even since then, since this guy's been named and held

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Speaker 4: in custody, a lot of people have been out there

832
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Speaker 4: and and again similar things. Before the arrest and they've

833
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Speaker 4: all been saying, well, you know, this had to be

834
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Speaker 4: a highly trained and I've seen the term professional hit

835
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Speaker 4: man or experienced sniper to have made this shot. And

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Speaker 4: as I've watched that, and what I always try to do,

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Speaker 4: and if you listen to the Gun Guy Show, and

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00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 4: this is true when I appear on Hammer Nigel, either

839
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Speaker 4: Monday Gun Day or when I fill in as a

840
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 4: temporary co host, is when we're talking about events in

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Speaker 4: the news, especially as they're developing and there are a

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Speaker 4: lot of unknown facts. I always try really hard. I

843
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Speaker 4: don't know that I'm one thousand percent successful in this,

844
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Speaker 4: but I try really hard to not speculate or guess

845
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Speaker 4: and I want to withhold comment that It is certainly

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Speaker 4: withhold any comment that's not based on fact or established fact,

847
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 4: and it's based on a guess or an assumption, and

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Speaker 4: it's irritating to me. And that's the right word in

849
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 4: that context when I hear other commentators or certainly the

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00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 4: talking heads on the net works and cable news, who

851
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 4: are throwing around speculation and guesses and assumptions like their facts,

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Speaker 4: and it's not to me good broadcasting and it's unfair

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Speaker 4: to their viewing or listening audience, and so it's something

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Speaker 4: I try certainly to avoid. But when I when I

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Speaker 4: see certain things that are being floated around as facts,

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00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 4: and especially on gun related or Second Amendment related issues,

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Speaker 4: there are times when I am somewhat compelled to weigh

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Speaker 4: in and and and and that is certainly true on

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Speaker 4: this idea that well, a two hundred yard shot must

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Speaker 4: have been done by a very highly trained, skilled shooter

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Speaker 4: and even to the point of, you know, must have

862
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Speaker 4: been a professional hitman or a highly experienced trained sniper.

863
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 4: And listen, long range shooting is not what I would

864
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 4: put at the top of my skill set when it

865
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 4: comes to firearms. But I've had precision rifle training. I

866
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 4: own a couple of what I would call precision rifles,

867
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: and yes one even the model number. It's an advanced

868
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 4: sniper rifle from Bell Precision Rifles, and the most expensive

869
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: gun I own actually when you add up to optics

870
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 4: and everything else associated with it. And yes, I've had

871
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: some training in long range ballistics and marksmanship. And when

872
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 4: I see some of that stuff floating around, I really

873
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 4: I am compelled to comment within what it is we know,

874
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 4: at least based on currently reported facts about the shooting

875
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: in Utah of Charlie Kirk and listen, I said this

876
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 4: on Hammer and Nigel the same day it happened, and

877
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 4: again trying very hard to not speculate on anything, they

878
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: asked me a direct question, well, guy, didn't this have

879
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: to be someone who was highly trained in long distance shooting?

880
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 4: And my immediate answer was absolutely not. And that was

881
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 4: before the specific rifle had been identified. In fact, I said,

882
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 4: and we'll see what additional facts that come out, I said,

883
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 4: I said, Listen, without knowing the rifle, I go, this

884
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 4: is just as likely someone using Grandpa's Bold Action deer

885
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: gun as it is you know, someone who's more trained

886
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: and more sophisticated with higher end weaponry. And listen, I

887
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,959
Speaker 4: don't know where this particular suspect got his Bold Action

888
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 4: Mauser Model ninety eight in thirty six, which is the

889
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 4: weapon that's now been identified, But if somebody said his

890
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 4: grandpa's deer rifle, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. And

891
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 4: certainly I'm sure that in similar rifles like the Winchester

892
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 4: Model seventy and the Remington Model seven hundred I've I've

893
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 4: owned a Renton Model seven hundred in thirty odd six

894
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: very similar to the Mauser with a couple of minor differences,

895
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 4: so it's not a particularly sophisticated weapon. It did have

896
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 4: an optic on it. It had a scope on it which

897
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 4: appeared to have some level of magnification. So you've got

898
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 4: a magnified optic on a Mauser thirty hot six Bold

899
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 4: action rifle. And let's talk a little bit more about

900
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 4: what that is. I've seen people describe it as a

901
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 4: single shot rifle. They said, well, they were describing the

902
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 4: rifle based on a picture they'd seen and there was

903
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 4: not a detachable magazine. So because there was no detachable magazine,

904
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 4: they said, oh, well, it's obviously a single shot rifle. Well, no,

905
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 4: there are guns, particularly Bold action guns and many others,

906
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 4: that have what we call an integral magazine or an

907
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 4: internal magazine, an internal fixed magazine. It's not visible from

908
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: the outside of the gun, but it's still a magazine

909
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 4: in the sense that it holds multiple rounds of ammunition.

910
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 4: The bouncer's ninety eight that I've shot, and yes, I've

911
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 4: shot a couple of them, have a five round inte

912
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: goal or internal magazine. And in terms of this particular rifle.

913
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 4: We know there are multiple rounds still found within it,

914
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 4: and including the empty shellcasing found within it. Why because

915
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 4: unless you operate the action the bolt action after you

916
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 4: fire a shot, if you don't operate the action, the

917
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: shellcasing from the rounds you just fired stays in the gun.

918
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what was described by law enforcement. And

919
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: I believe the governor out there, who's a rock star

920
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 4: by the way, A big fan of this guy, Governor Cox,

921
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 4: I believe is his name, and has just done I

922
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 4: think a Spencer Cox, as I recall, and I think

923
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: in the news conferences and whatnot, I think some of

924
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: the messages he's delivered in the way he's conduct to himself,

925
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 4: I put him way way up out. He's done a

926
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: fabulous job. I think you're going to see a lot

927
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 4: more of him on the national stage in terms of

928
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 4: Republican politics. But the way he described it, I think

929
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 4: it was very accurate. So so okay, So it's a

930
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: bold action rifle. What does that mean? Most people will

931
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 4: tell you that intrinsically, And there's so many other variables

932
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: about a gun in terms of quality, the build and

933
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 4: the quality of the barrel and the quality of the

934
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 4: trigger and optics, and there's so many other variables, but

935
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 4: generally speaking, if you're going to homogenize across a whole

936
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: range of issues, a bold action gun having fewer moving parts,

937
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 4: certainly fewer moving parts at the time the trigger's being pulled,

938
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 4: it's going to be more accurate than a's semi automatic. Now,

939
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 4: are there semi automatic sniper rifles? Yes? Does military use

940
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 4: a semari semi automatic sniper rifle? Yes? They also for

941
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 4: more long distance shots and I think the more challenging

942
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: shots also have a number of bold action rifles, and

943
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 4: generally speaking, bold action are considered to be more accurate

944
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 4: and where round count isn't your number one priority, including

945
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 4: when you're out hunting a deer, for instance, and if

946
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 4: you listen to the gun Guy show, I am not

947
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 4: a big hunter. I have certainly been and enjoyed it

948
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 4: when I've done it, but that's not been my focus.

949
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 4: My focus has always been more on self defense type training.

950
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 4: But perfectly perfectly suitable for that and also highly highly accurate,

951
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 4: and the thirty odd six rounds one't been around forever.

952
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 4: If you wanted to do a do everything rifle in

953
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 4: North America and hunt most game available in North America

954
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 4: is the thirty odd six is going to take care

955
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 4: of you? Really really well? You bet I had I

956
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 4: had somebody post oh, thirty odd six. Well that, by

957
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 4: definition it casts casts a huge doubt on what that

958
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 4: was the actual gun used in the shooting, because that's

959
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 4: not a gun a sniper would use. That's a hunting

960
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 4: rifle in thirty odd six. Well, let's talk about that

961
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 4: a little bit. You know who the most prolific successful

962
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 4: sniper in the Vietnam War was god named Carlos Hethcock.

963
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 4: And I read his book called White White Feather. That

964
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 4: was his nickname that the Vietcong actually gave him because

965
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 4: he wore a white feather in his floppy hat while

966
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: he was out in the field. And I believe it

967
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 4: was ninety three. I just looked at this couple of

968
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 4: days ago, ninety three ninety four confirmed kills in Vietnam.

969
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: You know what rifle he used? Predominantly a Winchester Model

970
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 4: seventy thirty HODD six. In fact, marine snipers and Vietnam

971
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 4: predominantly used thirty hot six Winchester model seventies, very very analogous,

972
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 4: very similar gun to a Mauser model ninety eight. So

973
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 4: don't tell me thirty hot six is not used by

974
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 4: quote unquote snipers or it's not going to be use

975
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 4: for a long distance shooting of that nature. That's a

976
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 4: bit silly. But let's address though. And we're a little

977
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 4: pass bot in the air, so we need to take

978
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 4: a break. When I come back, I'm gonna I'm one

979
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 4: go to the phone lines. We've had a caller waiting

980
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 4: for a while. But two, I'm going to address this

981
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 4: idea that you must have been a highly highly trained individual,

982
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 4: whether you're a and I think people love this because

983
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 4: it just sounds ominous. It sounds like something from Hollywood,

984
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 4: although certainly these people exist. They're a professional hit man

985
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 4: or a trained experienced sniper. Is that true because you

986
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 4: made a two hundred yard shot with a bold action

987
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 4: rifle from a stationary prone position, particularly when the rifle's

988
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 4: are thirty odd to six with magnified optics on it.

989
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 4: Let's talk about that a little bit when we come back,

990
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 4: as well as going to the phone lines. This is

991
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 4: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

992
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney. He's an NRA certified firearms instructor.

993
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: He's the gun Guy Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

994
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 4: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

995
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WIBC. So the point I wanted

996
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 4: to make, and I made this on social media and

997
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 4: you can see my longer comment on both Twitter or

998
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 4: x Give me a follow while you're on there. I'm

999
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 4: trying to build that following. At one point a number

1000
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 4: of years ago, I had a previous producer before producer Jack,

1001
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 4: and I was complaining about my lack of Twitter followers.

1002
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 4: I think I was before the name change and as

1003
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 4: producer Carl as I recall who now produces Tony Katz's show,

1004
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 4: and Carl looked at me and he said, well, do

1005
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 4: you ever see anything interesting on Twitter, at which point

1006
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 4: I said, well, no, I'm not on there all that much,

1007
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 4: and he rolled his eyes and said, well, dummy, that's

1008
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,959
Speaker 4: why you don't have any follow or. So I'm trying

1009
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 4: to be much more involved and an active on Twitter

1010
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 4: and posted kind of a long description of this issue

1011
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 4: I'm discussing right now, which is do you have to

1012
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 4: be a professional hit man or trained sniper to make

1013
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: a two hundred yard shot. No, in fact, do the

1014
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 4: facts available today, and listen, I'm open to more facts. People.

1015
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 4: There's all kinds of conspiracy theories out there. This wasn't

1016
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 4: the real shooter, and this guy's being framed and the

1017
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: whole things that cover up and it's part of the

1018
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: deep state and so on and so forth, and listen.

1019
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 4: That may be absolutely true, that may be proven. At

1020
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 4: some point, it may go unproven, and we'll all be

1021
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 4: misled like I think we probably have been for a

1022
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 4: number of years on the complete facts of the JFKNS assassination.

1023
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 4: So look, those things happen, and I don't discount that,

1024
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 4: but based on facts known today, at least as reported today,

1025
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 4: do you have to be a skilled shooter to make

1026
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 4: this shot under these circumstances? No, And in fact, the

1027
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 4: circumstances told me this was not a skilled shooter and

1028
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 4: awsomeone with a lot of advanced one. I don't know

1029
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 4: that you use a Mauser ninety eight again three thirty

1030
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 4: eight six used to sniper rifles for generations. Person on

1031
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 4: Facebook just gave me another example of a sniper rifle

1032
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 4: chambered in thirty out six adopted by the Marines during

1033
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 4: Korean War, so yes, but a Mauser with what appeared

1034
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 4: to me to be a pretty low budget optic on it.

1035
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 4: It was questionable how the optic was even mounted on

1036
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 4: this rifle. I don't know that that's your gun if

1037
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 4: you're a trained sniper. But that's not even the point,

1038
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 4: because with a Mauser ninety eight, any kind of a

1039
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 4: modern Mauser, perfectly solid gun with a decent optic on

1040
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 4: it from two hundred yards, I'm just telling you that's

1041
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 4: not a hard shot. It's not a difficult shot. And

1042
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 4: that's not because I'm some master long distance shooter. That's

1043
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 4: not at all. I made this comment on social media.

1044
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 4: It was interesting and I should have anticipated this, but

1045
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 4: the hunters all all weighed in, several of them anyway,

1046
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 4: and said, hey, I've been shooting groundhogs at four hundred

1047
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 4: yards with a less accurate rifle than a males or

1048
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 4: ninety eight for a lot of years, and started doing

1049
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 4: so when I was twelve. I mean, a solid, bold

1050
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 4: action rifle with a decent magnified optic on it, I

1051
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 4: said on Hammer Nodule on the day that Charlie Kirk

1052
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 4: was killed, they were talking to me, asking me questions

1053
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 4: about the rifle. And I said, listen, if a rifle

1054
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 4: shoots straight, and you have a decent way of aiming it,

1055
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 4: in this case a magnified optic, then you can make

1056
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 4: a two hundred yard shot without a lot of difficulty.

1057
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 4: My long range shot, long range gun which I described earlier,

1058
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 4: my favorite one. I also have a six point five

1059
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 4: creed more very very accurate out to six eight hundred yards.

1060
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 4: I mean those guns at two hundred you know, keeping

1061
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 4: your shots within one moa, which is no more than

1062
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 4: an inch deviation at one hundred yards, that's easy. That's

1063
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 4: what the gun's made to do. A lot of rifles

1064
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 4: have half moa guarantees, meaning no more than half an

1065
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 4: inch deviation had one hundred yards. So you hold the

1066
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 4: gun steady, you know how to pull the trigger. A

1067
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 4: shot at two hundred yards is not a difficult shot.

1068
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 4: And the other thing that it makes me question is

1069
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 4: because a two hundred yards shot is not a particularly

1070
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Speaker 4: difficult shot. And Charlie Kirk, unfortunately, and listen, somebody posted

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Speaker 4: this video and I have mixed emotions about the fact

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Speaker 4: that I watched it, but I did watch it, and

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Speaker 4: I'm a little I don't know part of me wants

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Speaker 4: the information, but I'm also I could have easily lived

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Speaker 4: without having seen the image. And it's a tough one.

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Speaker 4: It's a tough one to watch, especially, you know, when

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Speaker 4: you have feelings of respect and certainly sympathy and compassion

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Speaker 4: for the person that it's happening to. But a trained

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Speaker 4: professional sniper, quote unquote, a professional hit man quote unquote,

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Speaker 4: doesn't aim for the neck. It's just not taught. And

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Speaker 4: some people wanted to debate me on this on social media,

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Speaker 4: and it was like, well, they could have been sending

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Speaker 4: a message that if you say something we don't like,

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Speaker 4: we'll silence you by shooting you in the throat. Hey, look,

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01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 4: anything's possible. Interesting theory. And they said, well, we'll kill

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Speaker 4: someone in the most grotesque way possible and that'll just

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Speaker 4: send a message. Well, no professional snipers are shot to

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Speaker 4: aim at the head, particularly what we call the occipital

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Speaker 4: prietal box, the cranial ocular box, the head or center

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Speaker 4: mass of the torso a lot of people call the

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Speaker 4: bread box where vital organs are. That's how professional shooters

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Speaker 4: are trained. Nobody's trained to shoot anybody in the neck. Now,

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Speaker 4: could there be a possibility you have a heavily armored target.

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Speaker 4: He's got body armor on up to his neck, got

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Speaker 4: a ballistic helmet on that also covers his face. Kind

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Speaker 4: of a rare thing, but such a thing exists. Could

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Speaker 4: you want make a shot for the neck on a

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Speaker 4: seated suspect? Yeah, but a guy sit there wearing a

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Speaker 4: T shirt with his full head exposed. Does anybody shoot

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Speaker 4: for the nick?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 4: And again, I don't mean to be graphic about this,

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Speaker 4: and I don't want to show disrespect to Charlie. I

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Speaker 4: just want to throw a little rationality into so much

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Speaker 4: of the speculation out there. I don't think this needed

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Speaker 4: to be a trained professional shooter. And listen, if you

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Speaker 4: don't think the current suspect actually committed the crime, and

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Speaker 4: you think there's a broader conspiracy and he's a patsy

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Speaker 4: and he's being framed, Okay. Everybody's entitled to their theories

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Speaker 4: and their speculation, and you're entitled to yours. But I

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Speaker 4: do not rule out this twenty two year old being

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Speaker 4: the shooter simply because he made a shot at two

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Speaker 4: hundred yards. And I made the comment you give me

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Speaker 4: two hours with anybody with a modern mouser in thirty

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01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 4: odd to six and a decent optic, and in two hours,

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01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 4: I'll have you shooting three inch groups at two hundred

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01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 4: yards without much difficulty. And I had a couple of

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Speaker 4: people came on and chimed in and said, Guy, I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't need two hours. You give me somebody with normal

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Speaker 4: vision and decent hand eye coordination. And that was part

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Speaker 4: of my description as well, because I'll have him doing

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Speaker 4: it in fifteen minutes. And as long as you have

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Speaker 4: a stable platform, shooting from a prone position with a

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Speaker 4: competent rifle and a decent optic, it's not a hard shot.

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Speaker 4: And again, I don't mean any of that to be

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Speaker 4: disrespectful of the circumstances or the loss of life involved.

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Speaker 4: I just want to throw out there a little bit

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Speaker 4: of fact to blend in with the speculation and conjecture

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Speaker 4: that's going on online. I'll tell you what a bone

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Speaker 4: pass a three quarter hour, I'm going to try to

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Speaker 4: take at least one called jeff'spin on hold forever. And

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Speaker 4: so I'm gonna try to get Jeff's call, and we'll

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Speaker 4: wrap up this edition of The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 4: ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've got a gun Guy guy, Ralfred on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back to the last segment here of Tonight's

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Speaker 4: The Gun Guy Show. And I'll so let's go right

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Speaker 4: to the phone lines because we've had Jeff on hold

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Speaker 4: for fort a while. Jeff, thanks for waiting, Mandus buddy,

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 4: and thanks for calling The Gun Got Show.

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Speaker 5: It's okay, man, I already called earlier. All I was

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01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 5: going to do was second you on the shot that

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Speaker 5: can be made, okay. And I will tell you that

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Speaker 5: after I graduated high school, I went in and I

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Speaker 5: joined the Marines. I was in the Falklands and I

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 5: was in Grenada, and I actually own a Marlin right now,

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Speaker 5: and I own a couple of thirty out sixes. To

1149
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 5: be honest with, I have a forty guns. So look,

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Speaker 5: I took my wife and my daughter out and set

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Speaker 5: a pumpkin at two hundred yards. And I know that

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Speaker 5: women are better shooters.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's true. That's very very true. By the way,

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Speaker 4: one I.

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Speaker 5: Agree with that, and both of them hit the pumpkin

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Speaker 5: at two hundred yards.

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Speaker 4: There you go with the morning.

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Speaker 5: So I wanted to just that you everything you've been

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01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 5: preaching is the gods down the streets. And one of

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Speaker 5: these days I'll drive my Harley up there and buy

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Speaker 5: your beer. Everybody WWC knows me as regular, Jeff. I've

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01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 5: met Terry and Danny and Pat Tolvin and everybody else.

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Speaker 5: So look, one of these days I'm going to drive

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Speaker 5: up there, ride up there and see.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Jeff, I'll tell you what. I'll take you up

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Speaker 4: on that and thanks for Colin. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: when we do, that'll be a day I ride my

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01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 4: Harley up here too, so we'll park them together out

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 4: on the circle and then find a place to have

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Speaker 4: a beer. But no, no, that's completely right, and it's

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Speaker 4: just not a difficult shot. And we had a caller

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Speaker 4: call in and say, you know, a rookie shooter would

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Speaker 4: be shaken like a leaf. Look, I'm not saying this

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Speaker 4: person is a completely inexperienced shooter. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 4: you cannot assume based on someone making a shot which,

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Speaker 4: by the way, to me, was off target. He's either

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Speaker 4: aiming senator torso and shot high, or he's aiming at

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Speaker 4: the head and shot low. Either way, a two hundred

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Speaker 4: shot is not so difficult that it required some advanced

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Speaker 4: training or experience. That's my point, and I'll stand by that,

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Speaker 4: and Jeff, who's obviously a very experience and former military

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Speaker 4: shooter himself, has the same experience, put one other thing too.

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Speaker 4: People said, well, no, we think it was an accurate

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Speaker 4: shot that hit him in the chest, but it deflected

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Speaker 4: upward because it hit Charlie's vest quote unquote bulletproof vest. Listen,

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Speaker 4: I don't rule anything out, and that may be true.

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Speaker 4: There's a video out there in slow motion that appears

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Speaker 4: to support that in the sense that looked like looks

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Speaker 4: like there's some impact to his chest. We'll see. For

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Speaker 4: that to happen, it had to be what we call

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Speaker 4: a level four vest. In other words, it's a steel

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Speaker 4: or ceramic that could deflect a rifle round thirty to

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Speaker 4: six at roughly ninety degrees from coming straight in horizontally

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01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 4: to going straight up and hitting him in the chin.

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Speaker 4: Could that happen with a ceramic vest or a steel vest? Potentially?

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Speaker 4: Do I think that happened? I sincerely doubt it. And

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Speaker 4: I also saw nothing so thick and noticeable as a

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Speaker 4: ceramic or steel ballistic vest at level four under his

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Speaker 4: T shirt. That didn't appear that way to me at all. More,

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Speaker 4: when we come back next week on The Gun Guys

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WIBC.