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Speaker 1: Hello, My name is Nigel Jason Hammer right over there

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Speaker 1: with the very special studio guests.

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Speaker 2: He's been kind enough to join us every couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks at least once a month here on the Hammer

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Speaker 2: in Nigel Show this entire year.

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Speaker 3: You need to come up with a name for this segment,

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Speaker 3: like Beers with Braun?

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Speaker 4: Maybe is that right?

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Speaker 2: Perhaps Governor Mike Braun joins us in studio, and I

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Speaker 2: know time is limited here, so let's dive right into it.

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Speaker 2: What are you What are your staff members hearing about

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Speaker 2: the changing of the congressional maps since the last time

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Speaker 2: you joined us in studio. The Senate pro Tim rod

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Speaker 2: Bray has done a one eighty and now he's bringing

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Speaker 2: the Senate back. A lot of people have different theories

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Speaker 2: as to why what are you hearing?

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Speaker 5: So I think his reason is still not known, but

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Speaker 5: I think the big impetus there was one the House

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Speaker 5: that they had the votes and they're coming back and

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Speaker 5: they're going to do fair maps, and I think at

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Speaker 5: that point he probably new too. We'll see tomorrow what

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Speaker 5: the margin is, but we're expecting a pretty overwhelming vote

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Speaker 5: there in the House, and they've worked closely together over

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Speaker 5: the years and I think that the House and Speaker

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Speaker 5: Houston have just been more in touch with our own

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Speaker 5: Republican voters, conservative voters in this state. And I think

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Speaker 5: early on, I think the clock was being worked. A

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Speaker 5: lot of different methods were being used. But I think

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Speaker 5: when it came down to Speaker Houston saying we're coming in,

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Speaker 5: and that then put a different dynamic into it. And

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Speaker 5: then as that has kind of transpired, you've seen it's

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Speaker 5: gone through. It was attempted to be amended many times

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Speaker 5: a day. None of those worked. It was a high

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Speaker 5: percentage of only Democrats, I believe on those amendments, and

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Speaker 5: tomorrow we'll see. And I think then it puts even

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Speaker 5: more burden on the see for the relationship that they

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Speaker 5: have down the road between Chambers and I think once

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Speaker 5: it became public the reasons fart have been fleshed out more.

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Speaker 5: I get text Aliday, Well, I've seen you on Newsmax

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Speaker 5: on Fox on your show explaining it why and then

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Speaker 5: the reason why is that they've done it and now

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Speaker 5: hypocritically are against it and have done it for decades.

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Speaker 5: And if you look at the map nationally, I think

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Speaker 5: somehow they think this has to do with our own state.

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Speaker 5: This has nothing to do with our states. This is

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Speaker 5: a macro This is a macro discussion, an electoral one. Yes,

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Speaker 5: that they do not pull any punches. They have gerrymandered it,

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Speaker 5: like I've said many times on this show, to.

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Speaker 3: Where they can't do it anymore.

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Speaker 5: And the loud, vocal oppositions from Democrats and liberal, moderate independent.

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Speaker 5: So here we are.

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Speaker 2: Hearing a lot of local reporters from various different media

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Speaker 2: outlets say that if the Senate we're voting right now

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Speaker 2: today on December fourth, they would not have the votes.

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Speaker 2: It would be a no right now, have you heard

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Speaker 2: anything like that? Are you talking to people? Are your

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Speaker 2: staff members talking to people?

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Speaker 5: I don't think most of the public realized that it

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Speaker 5: was split evenly as of when they took that adjournment vote,

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Speaker 5: it would have been understood, well, it's not even close.

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Speaker 5: But whenever you have half of your caucus for something

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Speaker 5: So I think that there's been more and more pressure

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Speaker 1: No guarantee though, if this passes through the Senate, this

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Speaker 1: all happens, the redrawing of the maps, there's no guarantee

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Speaker 5: There, assuming the Senate does the right thing. Yes, and

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Speaker 5: you can look the odds up. It's very high percentage

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Speaker 2: Hammer in Nigel Show. You can watch it live on

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Speaker 2: the YouTube camera or just turn your radio up here.

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Speaker 2: Either way, we appreciate you. How is your relationship today

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Speaker 2: with the Senate pro Tem Rod Bray. I feel like

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Speaker 2: the last time we spoke it wasn't in a great place.

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Speaker 2: Since then, like we talked about he said, all right,

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Speaker 2: that feel like he's doing that because he knows he

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Speaker 4: Onto you take me through your relationship, I.

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Speaker 5: Think you're probably reading too deeply into that theory. I

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Speaker 5: think here, this is no different than what they did,

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Speaker 5: and I've talked about it before, giving USB one which

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Speaker 5: about three months, this is almost about the same timeframe here.

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Speaker 5: I'm surprised that they haven't taken the queue, because let's

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Speaker 5: Do you think the White House is going to just

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Speaker 3: You guys have gone there.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So that doesn't mean it's over like you can

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Speaker 5: So I think all of that would make you wonder

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Speaker 5: and you can see across a wide spectrum.

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Speaker 1: One of the positions is I've heard even Republicans say

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Speaker 3: Pushing us around. Is there an answer to that.

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Speaker 5: I think that would be from the part of our

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Speaker 5: you've got some of those old Rhino Republicans that still

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Speaker 5: of conservative politics. Turning Points coming in tomorrow and I'm

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Speaker 2: Tell them they were Hoosiers, not Indiana Ends though, please

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Speaker 2: because they made that mistake already.

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Speaker 4: What's that that Turning Point USA put.

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Speaker 2: Out a tweet and they said, hey, Indiana Ends, you

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Speaker 2: need to make sure you're contacting your representatives like we

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Speaker 2: have the same goal we got.

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Speaker 4: I want nine to zero. But you can't cost Indiana.

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Speaker 5: We've got probably more chapters per capita of turning point

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Speaker 5: groups across our state. That's resonating everywhere. And again, remember

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Speaker 5: this is a national concern. We're not talking about state

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Speaker 2: Health Virginia is trying to change theirs from like six'

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Speaker 5: One and to, me it's a heid to hypocrisy that

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Speaker 2: unemployment numbers that were. Released at a national, level unemployment

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Speaker 2: Number we're filing for. Benefits that's a good.

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Speaker 2: Here how Was indiana doing as we're in this holiday.

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Speaker 2: SEASON i know money can get tight into the, year

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Speaker 4: Inflation how are we doing.

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Speaker 5: So Black friday you had retail sales up nine percent,

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Speaker 5: our state government is cash flowing much better with real

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Speaker 5: Economy here in the state is already in this sharp

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Speaker 2: subject of budget and. TAXES i was speaking to some

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Speaker 2: in that big beautiful. Bill, uh that's not happening until

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Speaker 5: It it would, happen then in states would have to

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Speaker 5: if that's going to cut back revenues or is it

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Speaker 5: going to stimulate the. Economy i'm going to be one

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Speaker 5: that's always trying to take taxes, down do things that

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Speaker 5: we will be managing our cash, flow cash flow in

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Speaker 5: a way that we're going to enhance stuff like we

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Speaker 5: mothers can bring their infants in to, work and we're

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Speaker 5: doing that on a trial. Basis earlier this, YEAR i

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Speaker 5: did an executive order that extends paid maternity leave up

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Speaker 5: to ten to twelve. Weeks we're going to be pro.

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Speaker 5: Family we're going to do it make things. Easier Child

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Speaker 5: care is an. Issue high healthcare costs are an, issue

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Speaker 5: and we've talked about probably what many people are complaining

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Speaker 5: about more than anything would be high utility. Costs stay.

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Speaker 5: Tuned you're about ready to hear three new appointments to

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Speaker 5: the IU rc that are going to be rate pay

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Speaker 3: Before.

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Speaker 2: There Governor Mike brown with. Us thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for your. Time if we don't see you before the,

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Speaker 2: Holiday Marry christmas to you and your family and we'll

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Speaker 2: talk again.

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Speaker 3: Soon you.

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Speaker 4: Bet it's The hammer And Nigel. Show