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Speaker 2: I love it when the news is playing you disappear

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Speaker 3: Well, I looked at my phone and I saw I

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Speaker 1: And is it weird? Is it bad?

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Speaker 3: That in my mind as soon as I the first thing,

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Speaker 3: I think it is not I'm going to miss the show. Now,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be letting the audience down. It's oh no, what,

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Speaker 3: Casey will finally have something to hold over my head.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 1: So I came sprinting back.

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 3: I'm very lucky I didn't run into anybody. But the

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Speaker 3: whole time I was like, I'm not gonna let Casey

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Speaker 1: But I did. I did, If it's all right, I

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Speaker 1: did want to.

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Speaker 3: Talk about something that we were Matt Hiblin and I

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Speaker 3: impromptu conversations.

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Speaker 1: And big topics of the day, well kind of today.

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Speaker 3: The thing we're spending a ton of time on is

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Speaker 3: this new you know, announcement from Braun the Governor Mike

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Speaker 3: Braun about oh he's really getting serious about your utility bills. Now, hey, sure,

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Speaker 3: you've been getting crushed for the past decade, year after

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Speaker 3: year after year, while the IURC just rolls over and

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Speaker 3: plays dead for these utility companies.

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Speaker 1: But now, yeah, well.

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Speaker 2: He did put out the statements saying that Hoosiers have

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Speaker 2: been burdened with utility rate increase after increase, and.

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Speaker 1: We can't get anymore.

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Speaker 3: Stop the top, don't you love nothing, says rich elitist,

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Speaker 1: Old guy, like all the peasants have been burdened.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're getting crushed, buddy, you've been burdened. Oh,

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Speaker 2: we can't take it anymore.

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Speaker 3: A burden was that I had to stop my conversation

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Speaker 1: That's a burden.

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Speaker 3: Not being able to keep the lights on, that's not

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Speaker 3: a burden, mister. I'm worth ninety between thirty six and

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Speaker 3: so we were one of the major We started the

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Speaker 3: show by talking about the hypocrisy of the whole thing

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Speaker 3: in which Braun signs legislation. Now just this past year,

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Speaker 3: a few months ago, Right, we're not talking the he's

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Speaker 3: error of his ways and of decades past. Just a

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Speaker 3: few months ago, he signed legislation that will in all

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Speaker 3: of a better term, research and development of these utility companies.

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Speaker 1: Whether it works or not, you're going.

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Speaker 2: To pay for it.

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Speaker 1: That just happened, and people.

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Speaker 3: Were screaming at him not to sign that bill then

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Speaker 3: because it would raise utility rates. He signed it his

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Speaker 3: new new and improved IEDC board. Remember he fired all

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Speaker 2: Board, removed them, replace them.

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Speaker 1: And what's the first thing they did.

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Speaker 3: They approved all these tax incentives for these data centers

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Speaker 3: that suck massive amounts of energy, energy, water, water electric

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Speaker 3: And nobody's refuted this and if there was some big

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Speaker 3: They're massive buildings, which means yes, technically they will have

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Speaker 3: fact that these individual communities are giving them property tax abatements.

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Speaker 3: Now it's my minder saying they're eligible to come in

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Speaker 3: data centers. They use massive, as we said, amounts of resources,

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Speaker 1: It's lifeless. It's not like it's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna attract somebody or something else to your area. So

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Speaker 3: how does that benefit me, Mauthi McGee being Matt Gentry,

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Speaker 3: What does that do for me? Why am I subsidizing

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Speaker 3: these data centers. Why is my tax money being confiscated

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Speaker 3: it'll take decades for that to pay off and pay

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm forty years old.

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Speaker 3: Color me cynical, but I don't care what happens in

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Speaker 3: I even gonna be here for whatever? So you're selling

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Speaker 3: me something that, oh, thirty years from now, it could

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Speaker 3: do you mean it could be awesome because there's nothing

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Speaker 1: A point where there may have been more yes than

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Speaker 1: there are tomorrows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what about today? Everybody keeps talking about the

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Speaker 3: So then we got to the conversation about growth and

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Speaker 3: this land now you've got three choices.

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Speaker 1: You can choose high.

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Speaker 3: Density housing development, in which on hundreds of acres you'll

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Speaker 3: Or it could be warehouses, in which will be truck

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Speaker 3: Or we can give you this data center, who, while

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Speaker 3: I guess we'll take the third one because it'll have

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Speaker 3: That's the way they're selling these things now. In some

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Speaker 3: And so then it came back to the conversation about growth,

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Speaker 3: And this is the question I ask all the time

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Speaker 3: never get an answer. My property taxes have never been higher,

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Speaker 1: We were the blueprint, right, We were the workers. We

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Speaker 3: People who invested in the community. What am I getting

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Speaker 2: Not much?

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Speaker 3: Growth is a part I said, I get that growth

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Speaker 3: but there's a way to do it, like I miss

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Speaker 3: So the growth, the warehouses, the high density housing development,

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Speaker 1: What did I get out of this?

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Speaker 3: And I think this is the question that people need

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Speaker 1: What is it getting you?

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Speaker 3: If life keeps getting more expensive, if your taxes keep

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Speaker 3: going up, if your utility bills keep going up, what

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Speaker 3: is in it for you? And why are you being

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Speaker 3: punished for being a good citizen who made this place

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Speaker 2: Yes? With the data centers, is is this just an

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Speaker 3: So somebody sent me an email on this, and I've

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Speaker 3: been looking into it and I think it's I think

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Speaker 3: it's very accurate, and you touched on it earlier. The

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Speaker 3: answer is water, and Indiana has an answer to vast

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Speaker 3: amounts of water. Water supplies the Gray Lakes right now.

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Speaker 3: We've heard here in central Indiana it's being sucked up

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Speaker 3: because we've been so irresponsible with it. But these places,

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Speaker 3: it's just like anything else. Do You got to think

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Speaker 3: of the data center as like a living, breathing organism, right,

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Speaker 3: it's going to go where the nutrients are and in

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Speaker 3: somebody pointing this out in an email, they're absolutely right. It's

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Speaker 1: That was the story.

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Speaker 3: The problem with Mike is he's told multiple stories to

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Speaker 3: I've never heard him befo, Why don't we look him

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Speaker 3: That seems like a good person for you to go

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Speaker 3: And I've worked at a state wide office and I've

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Speaker 3: So at any time, if they get asked, hey, can

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Speaker 3: They can just instantly pull up the calendar, go okay,

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Speaker 3: have that in front of you, Casey, I do? Okay,

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Speaker 3: can you tell me what it says on that calendar

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Speaker 2: Well, on the top it says LG. Micah Beck with

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Speaker 2: And it looks like at about eight forty five is

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Speaker 1: What's missing?

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Speaker 2: Who is going to be there with?

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Speaker 1: Can you say that again? What's missing?

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Speaker 2: Who he's going to be there with?

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Speaker 3: So that means because it's on the calendar, so somebody

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Speaker 1: That means either, as we said, either.

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Speaker 1: They care so little about Micah. Then nobody said who

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Speaker 3: Let's look into this person, which is the most basic

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Speaker 2: It was and decided to leave it off of the calendar.

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Speaker 1: Bingo.

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Speaker 3: And if somebody'd like to tell me a third door

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Speaker 2: My question is was this his personal calendar or was

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Speaker 2: Request, Yeah, so much should have been an e merged version.

443
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

444
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Speaker 3: The problem with Mike is he's told so many stories

445
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: that did so many people on this that don't that

446
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 3: don't jive up. You don't know what to believe at

447
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 3: this point anymore. Look, you have a guy, and maybe

448
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: he's reformed, maybe he's turned to his life around, and

449
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 3: God bless him if he has. But you have a

450
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Speaker 3: guy who went down on federal bribery charges, who has

451
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Speaker 3: a very long long history in my case if you

452
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Speaker 3: look him up, and other things that may not be

453
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Speaker 3: there anymore that were written about before that, and he's

454
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 3: pounding around with the number two and three guys in

455
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Speaker 3: the state of Indiana. After the Lieutenant Governor just expressed

456
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Speaker 3: on our show, great concern about Diego Morales. Everyone should

457
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 3: be concerned about this and the fact that Micah cannot

458
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: tell a coherent, consistent story on how he ended up

459
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Speaker 3: at that event with these two people.

460
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Speaker 1: That's a giant red flag.

461
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Speaker 3: Great work by the Indie Reporter, by the way, great

462
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Speaker 3: work by all the people. Everybody go file follow the

463
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464
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466
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Speaker 2: By the way, I did see it looks like that

467
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: the Lieutenant Governor is back in town.

468
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Speaker 3: Oh, we were told he went to Poland for quite

469
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Speaker 3: a while. Is that where he was, Well, that's what

470
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: we were told by somebody who from from church said

471
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Speaker 3: he was in pol which is fine.

472
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Speaker 1: I'd like to know what he was doing in Poland.

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Speaker 3: It's weird he didn't post anything in indeed that's where

474
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Speaker 3: he was about what he was doing there because there

475
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: was no There was basically a week or more of

476
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Speaker 3: no verifiable photos or whatever. So that would be interesting

477
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: to know. But Anyway, I just wanted to say great

478
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Speaker 3: work on that. And that's the latest on on calendar gate.

479
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Speaker 2: It's Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.

480
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Speaker 3: So, now that we've defeated the Franklin Central Data Center

481
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Speaker 3: and we've seen how easy this.

482
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Speaker 1: Was, have we officially defeated it, can.

483
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Speaker 3: We use the same the same procedure to find out

484
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Speaker 3: where howg set was during the riots? You see how

485
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: easy this was?

486
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: Right? Okay, so you've got some key developments here in

487
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: Google's Franklin Township data center. So you needed what sixteen counselors?

488
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Speaker 2: Is that right? I think it was fifteen, So sixteen

489
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Speaker 2: out of the fifteen said no.

490
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Speaker 1: Yes.

491
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 3: So again people are like, what assume most of you

492
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Speaker 3: listen every day, but for those who don't, there is

493
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 3: was a proposed is a proposed data center going in?

494
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Speaker 3: And look the reason we're spending all the time on

495
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Speaker 3: the data center stuff now because we're we're at the

496
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Speaker 3: tipping point.

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Speaker 1: If you don't.

498
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Speaker 3: Stop them, now, we're going to pay out the backside

499
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Speaker 3: on this for generations. You got to stop these things. Now,

500
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna pay through it with your tax money. You're

501
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: gonna pay through it with your utility bills. You're gonna

502
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Speaker 3: pay pay for it, with the lack of resources to

503
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Speaker 3: water and electric.

504
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Speaker 1: Potentially, you got to stop these things. Now.

505
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Speaker 3: This is ground zero right now, and if you haven't

506
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: been paying attention to these data centers and what's going on,

507
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 3: you need to wake up and you need to be

508
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: aware because they're not going to stop. They're going to

509
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 3: go to the next place. We've seen this before. They

510
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: get rejected somewhere, they go somewhere else. They will come

511
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: to a community near you. So there was a Google

512
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: had proposed a data center in Franklin Township in Indianapolis,

513
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 3: and the citizens there were outraged, as they should be.

514
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 3: They gathered thousands of signatures, hundreds of people showed up

515
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 3: to the meetings. However, by the way that the the

516
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: city government works in Indianapolis, if for lack of a

517
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 3: better term of the Planning Commission approves something, it takes

518
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: sixty percent of the city Council to be against it

519
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Speaker 3: in order to defeat it. It's not a majority. You've

520
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: got a higher bar to hit. There's twenty five members

521
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Speaker 3: of the There's twenty five members of the city council,

522
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Speaker 3: which meant I think they had to get to fifteen.

523
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: Fourteen had come out, and then we talked about yesterday.

524
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Speaker 3: How you know, like the song says, one is the

525
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: loneliest number, the last vote is always the heart to get.

526
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: It's usually pretty easy to get one, two, and three.

527
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: That's the low hanging fruit on anything. And then and

528
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: then it gets harder as the event goes along. And

529
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: as of yesterday it appears they got to counselors fifteen

530
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Speaker 3: and sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so counselors Ali Brown and also Nick Roberts. They

532
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: put out a joint statement opposing the data center, so

533
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: sixteen out of fifteen counselors needed to stop it. Now

534
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Speaker 2: they just have to formally vote against it on September

535
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Speaker 2: twenty second.

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Speaker 3: And what is fascinating about this is hog Set appears

537
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: to be very in favor of this data Yes, and

538
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: it is very rare. Whether he's got nudes on everyone

539
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: or what. I don't know that these people, even though

540
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: he is a complete dumpster fire and a total train

541
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: wreck and it's done a horrible job with the city,

542
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: that these counselors will not go against him. So this

543
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: it tells you the level of rage they must be

544
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: getting and Alec Willis, who was with us earlier who's

545
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: fighting this thing out in Martinsville, said the same thing.

546
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Speaker 3: Although it seems like they're getting ignore like it's exhausting.

547
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: It's exhausting to continually have to fight these people on everything,

548
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 3: but at least maybe on this one, there's going to

549
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: be a happy ending for the time being.

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Speaker 2: So it's being reported that the councilor Michael Paul Hart,

551
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: he plans to call the item down for a standalone

552
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: vote on September eighth, and then the final decision expected

553
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: on September twenty second.

554
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Speaker 1: How I told you about the guy that keeps messaging

555
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: me on Facebook? No, I told you about this guy?

556
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: All right, I can't remember we talk about so much

557
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: A friendly message. No, boy, how do you know it's

558
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: not okay? So this guy?

559
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Speaker 3: This is like a couple months ago, there was some

560
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: development in Brownsburg that I was against.

561
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: By Logistics Park.

562
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: No, it was on the other side of town from

563
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Speaker 1: Logistics Park.

564
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 3: They were going to build a bunch of homes and

565
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: I've been adamantly against this for quite a while, and

566
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: like any other citizen in town, I have a right

567
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 3: to an opinion on development in the town. I'm one person.

568
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: I don't have any vote, I don't have any say.

569
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: I just go to the meetings and speak and post

570
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 3: on social media. We got this little radio show here

571
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: that very few people were told by the politicians.

572
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: Listen to you.

573
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: So I went and I spoke like other people did,

574
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: and ultimately the people who do have a vote and

575
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: do have a say in a rare occasion, they agreed

576
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: with me, and the thing got voted down.

577
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Speaker 1: And this guy keeps I've never met.

578
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: Him before that I recall, I've never I don't ever

579
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: had a conversation with him, nothing, And he keeps messaging me.

580
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: This has been going on for like two almost two

581
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: months now.

582
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: It appeared to have a real name.

583
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: Well I think it's his Yeah, I think it's his

584
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: real name, is real count. And he's saying like, I

585
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: guess they owned the land that this development was on.

586
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 3: And he keeps demanding me to respond to him about

587
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: why I didn't like the development or what I didn't

588
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: agree with. It's like it's like obsessive level of messaging,

589
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: including the most recent message, Son, do you even read

590
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: your effing messages?

591
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: You pay attention to him?

592
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: Rob And this is like we've reached the I will

593
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: not be ignored.

594
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: Dan, Right, you're gonnoiling boiling bunny on your stove one

595
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: of these days.

596
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: And it's like, I'm under no obligation one to respond

597
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: to you. I have a right as a citizen of

598
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: the town to have an opinion on development that's gonna

599
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: affect me because everything that happens affects all of us, and.

600
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 1: I don't have a vote.

601
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna give him the thrill of responding to him,

602
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: because I know that would make him happy. So I

603
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: know now that I know, by the way, if I

604
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: know something's son, if I know something's pissing you off,

605
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: you should know this by now.

606
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: Take it up with the people who have the vote.

607
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: Is not Is this normal behavior to be berating some

608
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: citizen because they they spoke at a public meeting even

609
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: though they don't have a vote about it, Like, I

610
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: still get all the grief I got when I was

611
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: an elected person, and I don't get either.

612
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: This works at being an elected.

613
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: Person, you can't change anything. Well, he's looking at you

614
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: as a public person because of the WIBC platform.

615
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't have a vote.

616
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: This is true, But you wished your opinion. So he

617
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: wants to argue with you, Well, he wants your attention.

618
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: This is bizarre behavior, and I think we're going to

619
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: enter the public shaming portion of things. And so I

620
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: just want to get that out there that I have right, Like,

621
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: that's not normal to be berating some guy who doesn't

622
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: have a vote on anything, but this is our thing

623
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: all the time on this People get mad at me

624
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: all the time about stuff, but it's like, no one.

625
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: Has to now. I guess it's the counseling.

626
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: They technically have to consume me, although they've they've kicked

627
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 3: me out before they have and.

628
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: Then they cops to me, go back in. You didn't

629
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: do anything wrong.

630
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: They tried to not consume me, and the cops are like,

631
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: you didn't do anything wrong, go back in.

632
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: They're like, can we shorten the public statement? But time period?

633
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: We say this about me all the time, unlike the politicians,

634
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: no person has to consume me. Well, you can turn

635
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: the radio.

636
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: Off unless your name is Casey.

637
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: Well you're right, but even you, you can leave it anytime.

638
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: You can turn the radio off, and I don't exist,

639
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: like right now, please don't. But if you were to

640
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: change the channel, some other person's voice would pop on

641
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: in your in your speakers, or if you don't follow

642
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: me or look at my stuff on Facebook or Twitter,

643
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: if you don't exist, if you hit the block button,

644
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: I am nowhere. I don't exist. And yet I get

645
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: more grief and more berating and more drama thrown at

646
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: me than these politicians who are actually doing the.

647
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: Stuff right, who are actually making the laws and creating it.

648
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: Why because you're out there. Because you're out there and

649
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: he just wants attention from you.

650
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, what else do we have? I just wanted

651
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: to play that. I didn't know if I'd brought that up,

652
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: and I needed to get your advice on. I mean,

653
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: I shouldn't respond to him, right, No, that would just

654
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: be what he wants. Not yet, because I was several

655
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: times I thought about hitting the sin button. I thought, well,

656
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: it would make me feel better about what I'm about

657
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: to tell this guy.

658
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: It would be giving him what he wants, the.

659
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: Same advice that I've given you time and time again

660
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: in regards to oh, I don't know, for example, the

661
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 2: lieutenant govenor or the Secretary of State, just let it

662
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Speaker 2: go for a minute, because that's what they want. They

663
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Speaker 2: want the attention, they crave it. Yeah, So even even

664
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Speaker 2: if it's bad publicity.

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Speaker 3: It's still that's weird to need attention that bad. I

666
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: mean they like people in general, the people who crave

667
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: the bad attention, like were you not hugged.

668
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Enough as a small boy? Like what what happened to you?

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Speaker 3: Where any attention is worth it if as long as

670
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: someone's saying my name or whatever, I don't, I don't

671
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Speaker 3: understand it.

672
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Speaker 2: Okay, show me on the radio where the host hurt you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is that it? You see? Chelsea Clinton is considering a

675
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Speaker 2: congressional run. So a representative, Jerry Nadler, he announced that

676
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Speaker 2: he's retiring, and he's from New York's twelfth district, and

677
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: now there is rumors that she might consider running for

678
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Speaker 2: his spot.

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Speaker 3: Of course, because you know, a life of having a

680
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: real job, that's no way for royalty to go go

681
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: through living.

682
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: Huh. So her wedding's already been paid for right by

683
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: tax payer money. What's she need now? Well?

684
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Speaker 3: I would guess, you know, she'll give some reason if

685
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Speaker 3: she does it. But I would guess that now that

686
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 3: the Clintons have nothing to offer foreign governments.

687
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. We need. She's got to pick up the mantle.

688
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Speaker 3: You remember during the convention. The thing that I stood

689
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: out to be when Hillary was running for president was,

690
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Speaker 3: you know, they always have these people coming up telling out,

691
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 3: you know, stories about the candidates or whatever, the personal stories.

692
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: Right right, like you're trying to humanize them all.

693
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: Cogin about his interactions with Trump or whatever. Do you

694
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: recall seeing anyone who was helped by the Clinton Foundation? No,

695
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: that alwaystood that whole Convinceentce was like, okay, it's going

696
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: to be a line of little orphans that were helped

697
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: by the Clinton and Foundation. And I don't recall, at

698
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 3: least on television, seeing a single person get up there

699
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: talking about how despite all the millions and millions of

700
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Speaker 3: dollars that floated into the Clinton Foundation, about how they

701
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 3: were helped by the Clinton Foundation. Now, I know, like

702
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: in the videos and stuff, they mentioned it, but the

703
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: eyewitness testimony, at least on television, I don't ever recall

704
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: seeing point is, as soon as she lost in that

705
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: wild how the money just basically dried up. And I

706
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: don't know if they've technically shut the thing down or not,

707
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: but for intents and purposes, was basically like shuddered because

708
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: of all the money drying up. Well, they're probably i

709
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: mean bills obviously, other than the speaker circuit where we

710
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: can help himself. And she's not in anything anymore, and

711
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: the Democrats don't anything to do with her. The grift

712
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: has got to go somewhere. I mean, these people are

713
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: always thinking about the next grift.

714
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Speaker 2: Right, grifter's got a grift. Speaking of money, drawing up

715
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: lawmakers on Capitol Hill, they've got less than four weeks

716
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Speaker 2: to reach a deal before a government shut down. Again.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, don't even bring this up to me,

718
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 3: because we'll know it's gonna end. People like Chip Roy

719
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: are gonna and sparks and whatever. They're gonna fake bark

720
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: and they're gonna and then at the.

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Speaker 1: End of the day, okay, go along with.

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Speaker 3: Don't even bring this up to me. I'm not interested

723
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: in it at all because I know how it's gonna end.

724
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Speaker 3: These people they have zero backbone. Nobody ever stands up

725
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 3: for us, nobody ever stands up for what's right. They

726
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: just yep, yep, yep, yet bap and then when they

727
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: put up or shut up, they shut up and get

728
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: in line in votes, so I don't want to hear

729
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: anything about it. The government will remain open, spending levels

730
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 3: will stay the same or go up like they always do.

731
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Speaker 3: It's always the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Speaking of Chip Roy, he's involved in this bill

733
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Speaker 2: to ban stock trading by Congress members.

734
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Speaker 1: What is this like their tenth time trying to do

735
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Speaker 1: that Restore.

736
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Speaker 2: Trust in Congress Act? It is called what Restore Trust

737
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Speaker 2: in Congress?

738
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Speaker 1: It is it will ban individual members.

739
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Speaker 2: Of Congress and their families from trading stock. Oh do

740
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Speaker 2: you think Nancy Pelosi's gonna be on board with this

741
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: one and their families because that's always her defense. Well,

742
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: this is my husband doing yes, yes, yes, yes, this

743
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: isn't mem the uh.

744
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Speaker 3: But again, how many times have they put this forward?

745
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: And how many times have I always conveniently come up

746
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 3: two or three votes short? And you know the last

747
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: time Trump was against it because it would have put

748
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: a cap on what him and his family could do.

749
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: And it's just like, why is this acceptable behavior when

750
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 3: you go into the Congress. Public service is an honor.

751
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: When you go in there, you should say, whatever i've

752
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: got now is what I'm walking out with. Every stock

753
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: goes up, great if it goes down. Fine, this is

754
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 3: part of the service.

755
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: Part.

756
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: The sacrifice should be your You don't get to make

757
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: money off being in the government.

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Speaker 2: So the average American second guess is nearly half of

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00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: their daily decisions. So we're going to talk about deciding

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Speaker 2: and decisions coming up from ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: There go the.

762
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: Stagg was.

763
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Speaker 1: It says what he was case you have some interesting

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Speaker 1: data for us.

765
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's about decisions.

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00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this makes you feel.

767
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 3: Really good because I realized that I'm not the only

768
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: person who just basically thinks, well, every decision I've ever

769
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: made is wrong and I should have done something different.

770
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: Do you second guess a lot of your decisions?

771
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: Well, I got the OCD.

772
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

773
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 3: So even when it's like an A plus decision, I'm like, well,

774
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: maybe I could have.

775
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Done a little better.

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00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: You got to overthink it.

777
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like my mind is just like a giant

778
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: hamster on a wheel. And where than what was a

779
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: file cabinet? Well it is, which is fine.

780
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: Inside of the file cabinet, there's a giant hamster that

781
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: keeps the files moving at all times. Sure, it's a

782
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: it's a it's a wheel powered file cabinet and so

783
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: just it's just to continue a rotation of thoughts and

784
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: then once I can, I can never actually be satisfied.

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Speaker 1: That's the decision.

786
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: The conclusion that I've come to, Casey, is the OCD.

787
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: It really prevents me from ever being fully satisfied.

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00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's talk about decisions. On average, you will

789
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: make fifty decisions a day and nearly one point five

790
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: million over your lifetime. Oh wow, and when you're out shopping,

791
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: forty one percent of your daily choices. One in eight

792
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: people overthink nearly every decision. But the grocery store when

793
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: you're out shopping is one of the biggest triggers for people.

794
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: The average person spends four minutes deciding on which one

795
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 2: they should choose, and one and four often feel overwhelmed

796
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: by their options.

797
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to go into the grocery store with

798
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: just like a plan, and you got to I mean,

799
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: you'll save yourself time because if you don't, you can

800
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: get totally consumed with everything that's going on. You got

801
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: to go in with the plan. Here's what I'm getting.

802
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 3: If option A doesn't exist, will I go with the option?

803
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: Be As long as you do that ahead of time,

804
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: and then you just got to stick to it.

805
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: I guess if you're really reading labels and figuring out

806
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: price points four minutes, that seems reasonable, right. But there

807
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: are some items, you know, this is what I'm after.

808
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm getting it no matter what the cost is.

809
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 3: There some so these are pretty like this is kind

810
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: of like a Manu shit thing or monotonous, like.

811
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Speaker 1: Like I gotta go to the grocery store. I'm talking

812
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: to Like.

813
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: On the big scale, is there some decision that you

814
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: look back on your life and you're like, boy, I

815
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: really screwed that one up.

816
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: There's plenty of those. Would like to share one. Is

817
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: there one thing? Because I think like, uh, like.

818
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: A lot of people, that's where I thought you were

819
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 3: going and I didn't even realize that it was just Hey,

820
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 3: the daily, the daily?

821
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: Do you every choice you've ever made in your exist? Well?

822
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Speaker 2: I think the thing is though, you can't hang on

823
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: it because if you do that, you'll just live your

824
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: life full of regret and what I should have done, yeah,

825
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 2: rather than moving forward and making change.

826
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: So what give us one?

827
00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: Come on, Okay, I regret the home that I purchased

828
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: here in Indian Well, I thought you were.

829
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: Gonna say I regret taking this job with you.

830
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: No, But I mean at the time I had limited

831
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: options because it was during COVID there was only about

832
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Speaker 2: five places available within the price range, So I mean

833
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 2: I was kind of stuck. But now that I'm there,

834
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: I do regret maybe not expanding out further in the area.

835
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Speaker 3: You know what your problem was, and you didn't know

836
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: because you hadn't gotten here yet, and you came very quickly.

837
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Speaker 3: You didn't call Markeditle.

838
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Speaker 1: That's true. Markeditle would have never allowed you.

839
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: I didn't know about market, I'm saying, right, yeah, yeah,

840
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Speaker 2: do you die. And it's not even the place.

841
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: I mean at the time area, Yeah, the sky rise

842
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: is very nice.

843
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 2: It's the area. However, I mean on a typical non

844
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Speaker 2: construction month or year, whatever we're experiencing here in Indianapolis,

845
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: the drive into work is supposed to be sure, which

846
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: was one of the reasons why I chose it, because

847
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: that daily commute. I didn't want to have to deal

848
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: with that. But now that I'm there and there's construction everywhere,

849
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: the daily commute just keeps getting longer and longer.

850
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: But I think I.

851
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: Would trade that for maybe a little bit more peace

852
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: of mind.

853
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: Sure, or a yard you know, it is interesting because

854
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: you said, what one point five million decisions in your life?

855
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: In your life, yeah, most of them are small decisions.

856
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: Well, and this is where I was going with this.

857
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: It's fascinating because there's only a handful of them that

858
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: actually really end up mattering in the long run. Like

859
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: you take that one point five million and you can

860
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: narrow it down probably in your life. And I'm just

861
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: pulling a number out here, but like ten mega choices

862
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 3: for most people, maybe twenty whatever that actually affect the direction.

863
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: Of your life.

864
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: Like, Okay, what I do in the grocery store is

865
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: largely irrelevant to my daily existence. But then there's the

866
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: ones where you go, somebody should have grabbed me and said,

867
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: you might want to think twice before we're pulling the

868
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: trigger on this one.

869
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you have to think. There's the big ones,

870
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Speaker 2: like probably the biggest decision you'll ever make is who

871
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: you choose as your partner as your spouse.

872
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big one.

873
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: But I think you know, you said the grocery store

874
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: that doesn't affect your life. It kind of does. Though

875
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: with a repetitive bad choice, it's going to affect.

876
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: Your house, like I'm talking about, like, do you take

877
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 3: a job, do you you know, do you.

878
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: You know a career path? What do you do in college?

879
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: Like, I'm those are the things I'm talking about that

880
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 3: like have life altering for you know, potentially the remainder

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Speaker 3: of your days.

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Speaker 1: Correct certainly if you don't take any sort.

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Speaker 3: Of corrective action is a strong word and probably not

884
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Speaker 3: the right thing, but like, whatever you decide to do

885
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: with those things has potentially decades of sunsequences versus sure,

886
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Speaker 3: Hey I bought too many Freedo's this time, you know.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I shouldn't have gotten something

888
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Speaker 2: quite so greasy. Yeah, well, I think there's the there's

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Speaker 2: the big decisions, and then there's the little decisions. But

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Rob, you can always

891
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Speaker 2: change any of them.

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Speaker 1: You can, however, without.

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Speaker 2: Deep you are let's endo the decision and how much

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Speaker 2: it will cost you to get out of it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing, because you can, like let's say

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Speaker 3: you got a degree in education, right because I definitely

897
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Speaker 3: want to be a teacher, and then you get a

898
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Speaker 3: teacher and go, oh.

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Speaker 1: I hate children. I don't like this so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, you could theoretically correct that or you can

901
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 3: get a job that you can branch off and use

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Speaker 3: that education degree for.

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Speaker 1: But you can't be a you know, a biologist if

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Speaker 1: you decide, unless you were a biology teacher. You see

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So that is interesting that people do struggle even past

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Speaker 3: the big choices, they do struggle with like the rank

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Speaker 3: and file.

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Speaker 2: Little decisions of your daily life.

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Speaker 1: Do I go with laser pringles?

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Speaker 2: Right? Seven? And ten Americans say they want to be

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent certain of their decision every time. I

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Speaker 2: feel like that's a lot of pressure to put on yourself.

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Speaker 2: How are you ever going to be certain about a

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Speaker 2: decision until you're in the middle of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're never going to, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I guess you make the decisions based on the

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Speaker 2: information you have at the time, and you try and

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Speaker 2: you know, weigh all your options and make the best

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Speaker 2: choice for you.

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Speaker 3: One of the decisions that I'm making with no regrets

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Speaker 3: or second guessing whatsoever, is I'm done with this show today.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you can keep going. Woh so am

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Speaker 1: I I'm.

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Speaker 2: Joining you in that decision. Thank you, Rob, Thank you, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: thank you for listening today. This has been Kennily Casey

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Speaker 2: on ninety three WIVC