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Speaker 1: about things change, changes your outlook on things, things that

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Speaker 1: is very nice the new Indianapolis Indians. How would you

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Speaker 1: describe that insignia logo? Is that what it is? Sure?

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Speaker 1: got on. So how old were you, Eddie? This is

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't know. Probably when I was a teenager, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So for me, Thanksgiving was always this like yin and yang.

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Speaker 1: It was this dichotomy of emotion. It was this mixed

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Speaker 2: But I still need to see it for New England

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Speaker 1: That's tough, man. How about those Denver Broncos. Denver to

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Speaker 1: especially right now, right Okay. What's your favorite Thanksgiving food?

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Speaker 1: Eddie side dish?

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Speaker 2: Just I mean, you can say turkey. I only like

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Speaker 1: My mom's sweet potato casserole with the marshmallows on top. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I collected baseball cards. Eddie, you were or were not

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Speaker 1: What's that panini? Panini? Yeah? Isn't that a isn't a

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Speaker 1: So the Panini card my peak. I don't think maybe

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Speaker 1: Panini was around in I mean my peak card collecting

433
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Speaker 1: year would have been eighty two to eighty eight, probably

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Speaker 1: somewhere in there. By eighty eight, I was probably, you know,

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Speaker 1: onto other things or whatever else. Canini sounds like a

436
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: pasta noodle. I think that's right, right, But it is

437
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Speaker 1: a card, A sports trading card. Yeah, okay, company, yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: the one of the fun joys of the TOPS trading

439
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Speaker 1: baseball cards. I can still tell you the year based

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Speaker 1: on what it looked like like the give me a

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Speaker 1: year of the eighties off the top of your head

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Speaker 1: at a years ago, Any two, eighty two. The eighty

443
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Speaker 1: two cards had the little hat I think at the

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Speaker 1: bottom and then kind of a little banner saying the

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Speaker 1: name of the team. Eighty three had a round circle

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Speaker 1: in the bottom left with a headshot or an action

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Speaker 1: shot of the player or a head shot of the player,

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Speaker 1: and then the player in action. Eighty four the the

449
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: it was the bottom left. It was a square picture

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00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: of the player. Eighty five had bold faced the name

451
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Speaker 1: of the team at the top. So you just you

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Speaker 1: knew each year by what the card looked like for

453
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Speaker 1: tops at least. But one of the things that I

454
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Speaker 1: loved was looking at the back of the card and

455
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Speaker 1: really analyzing the stats of players and back in my day,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, but the three things that you

457
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Speaker 1: knew in baseball. For example, if you were a three

458
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: hundred or better hitter, you were an upper echelon hitter.

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Speaker 1: Three hundred was the magic number. Guy gets into three

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Speaker 1: twenty three thirty. You're looking at the back of your

461
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Speaker 1: baseball card, you're like, WHOA, this guy was really good RBI.

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00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: RBI if it was one hundred or more, you knew

463
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Speaker 1: legit player. And then home runs and obviously that number

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Speaker 1: has gone up over the course of time, but in

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Speaker 1: those eras anything twenty five or more, certainly thirty or

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Speaker 1: more home runs you were a league leader. And then

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Speaker 1: er for pitchers three or under is what you were

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Speaker 1: looking for. And strikeouts and that's basically it. But I

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Speaker 1: loved reading what's at wins. Yeah, wins would be a

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Speaker 1: good one, I mean wins and loss. But I loved

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Speaker 1: reading the cards and I loved reading the stats. And

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people fell in love

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Speaker 1: with sports based on stats. From a rushing standpoint, if

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Speaker 1: you were a thousand yard rusher, that was the blue

475
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,959
Speaker 1: that was the golden mark. Same with receiving. From a

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00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: throwing standpoint, Dan Marino threw for over four thousand yards.

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Speaker 1: That was a huge. Holy cow, that was a massive number. Basketball,

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00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: if a guy averaged thirty it was almost unheard of.

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Speaker 1: You are a twenty point per game scorer or more,

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00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: big deal in college basketball. You win twenty games benchmark,

481
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Speaker 1: probably gonna make the tournament. I can appreciate and understand

482
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Speaker 1: any aspect of sport that creates and allows for people

483
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Speaker 1: to more actively follow it. But the things that I

484
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Speaker 1: just mentioned, the numbers that I just mentioned, the benchmarks

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Speaker 1: that I went over, all of those things are things

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Speaker 1: that I was able to follow when I was eight, nine,

487
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Speaker 1: ten years old, and they stayed pretty frozen in terms.

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Speaker 1: And I get those things, EBB and flow. And maybe

489
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Speaker 1: I've never sounded older than what I'm about to say,

490
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: But I read now an NBA box score plus minus.

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Speaker 1: You know that guy on the game was plus plus

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Speaker 1: minus nine play, which my understanding, and I will admit

493
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Speaker 1: my ignorance here. That is the cumulative score of when

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00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: that player was on the floor. Correct.

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Speaker 2: Basically, it is the Pacers if they had like let's

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Speaker 2: say Ben Shepherd was last night. Ben Shepherd was minus ten, Okay,

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Speaker 2: so the Pacers were being outscored by ten points when

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Speaker 2: Ben Shepherd was on the floor.

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Speaker 1: Right in the right okay. Now, And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: there are people that I'm sure are listening, screaming, going,

501
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: this guy is a complete moron. I did flunk algebra

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Speaker 1: seven times. I'm the first two minute right, No, which

503
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Speaker 1: algebra did you flunk seven times algebra.

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Speaker 5: Ho.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, Carson or I said Carson Cunningham earlier for Detroit.

506
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham is obviously what I meant, Carson Cunningham perdue

507
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham last night. Okay, Detroit was minus one when

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Speaker 1: he was on the floor. What does that mean? He

509
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: played thirty six minutes he was They were minus one

510
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: when he was on the floor, So they're better off

511
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Speaker 1: if he's not on the floor. He had a double double,

512
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: he carried him down the stretch, he hit big shots

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Speaker 1: for them. What does that mean? Minus one? Duncan Robinson?

514
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Speaker 1: They were plus fifteen when Duncan Robinson was on the floor.

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Speaker 1: He was two of ten. So was bj bick Staff

516
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: supposed to be like, you know what, take cutting him

517
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Speaker 1: out and put Duncan Robinson in because we're plus fifteen

518
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: when he's in there. Close. JB. Bickerstaff got the letters right. Sorry,

519
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: wrong order. I always go with Bernie Bickerstaff, and then

520
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: I always think Bernie Junior. But yes, you get what

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00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, it's one of the more misleading statistics. Okay, baseball, baseball, Now,

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Speaker 1: can you please explain to me Eddie because I don't

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Speaker 1: understand it. You're a baseball guy. What is whip for

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Speaker 1: a pitcher? Walks hits per innings pitched? So that's just

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Speaker 1: the combination of the two, right m M okay? What

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Speaker 1: is VORP I don't know that value over reput replacement player? Oh? Okay?

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Speaker 1: What is war wins above replacement? Which is the same thing?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: What is the significance of bat velocity or launch angle?

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Speaker 2: That has a lot to do with just how you

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Speaker 2: hit the ball, you know, getting you know, elevation on it,

532
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: if you're gonna hit fly balls, home runs.

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Speaker 1: That kind of stuff. I can tell if a guy

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Speaker 1: hits a fly ball by looking at it, that's a

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Speaker 1: fly ball, right. Yeah. I am curious of this, I

536
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Speaker 1: literally and I know that I get it. I'm I

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00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: probably have never sounded older, and maybe it's dumb with

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Speaker 1: me to mention on a sports talk radio program, but

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00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm convinced of myself that there are more people than

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Speaker 1: just I that agree with this. I think we are

541
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Speaker 1: starting to out computerize ourselves with this stuff and out

542
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: calculate ourselves in coming up with because there's it also

543
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: changes all the time in the NFL. Is it quarterback rating?

544
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Speaker 1: That we go with now or is there a different

545
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: metric that we use because it used to be your rating?

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Speaker 1: Oh you know he was a one sixteen point eight. Well,

547
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: now we go with QBR, which is a seventy four,

548
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: which is better than a one sixteen point eight. What

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Speaker 1: did what percent of the true sports fan understand true

550
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: understand not what they what they say they understand? What

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Speaker 1: percent truly understand what exactly all of these statistics not

552
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: only mean, but what their actual impact is on result

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00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: of game or player contribution. And the reason I say

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Speaker 1: it is because I think there are some areas baseball

555
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: is the king of this. I think there are some

556
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Speaker 1: areas where the over analysis of statistics are actually taking

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Speaker 1: the common fan and removing them from it because they

558
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Speaker 1: then feel like I didn't want to go to school.

559
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to watch a game. I didn't know

560
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: there was going to be math involved. I just want

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Speaker 1: to watch a game. When you look now at a

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball game, and I loved this year's postseason.

563
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: I loved it. You know, I just got up off

564
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: the mat two weeks ago from the Blue Jays game

565
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: as a ten week diehard fan. But when I'm watching

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Speaker 1: that and a guy comes up to bat and I'm

567
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at the statistics that providing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it looks like the telemetry of a Formula one car

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Speaker 1: with all of these different numbers in green and yellow

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Speaker 1: and red and everything else. And all I can think

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Speaker 1: to myself is what percent of casual fan does this

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00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: appeal to? And what percent is it turning off because

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Speaker 1: they feel like they are actually entering into a mensa

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Speaker 1: meeting that they aren't invited to. When I do an

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Speaker 1: Indy car race, I mean, I understand because I'm around

576
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Speaker 1: it all the time, and anybody that's not a matter

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Speaker 1: of my intellect, anybody who is around it as often

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Speaker 1: as I am in practices and qualifying sessions and talking

579
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Speaker 1: to drivers, you know, I know what it means to

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Speaker 1: scrub speed. I know what it means in terms of

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Speaker 1: downforce or wing angles taken out on a car. I

582
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: know what it means to you know, the what is

583
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: a good fuel efficiency and a bad fuel efficiency on

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Speaker 1: a street course or a road course versus an oval

585
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: whatever else. But if I constantly reference that in a broadcast,

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced I would be alienating eighty five percent of

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00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: the people that are listening. Maybe what I've done in

588
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: this segment. I have no idea, But Eddie, you tell

589
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: me my way off base here? Or do you think

590
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Speaker 1: that looking at some of these statistics that are presented

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Speaker 1: seem extraneous, seem somewhat irrelevant, and seem like it's speaking

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Speaker 1: to a very very finite group of people. I mean,

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00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: it surely is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the casual fan doesn't care about plus minus

595
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: or a launch angle or exit velocity or winds above

596
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: replacement or any of that. It's for the it's for

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00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: the nerds like myself that enjoy looking at those kinds

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Speaker 2: of you.

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Speaker 1: Yourself said, you're not positive about the plus minus?

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Speaker 2: Right, No, I know what the plus minus is, but

601
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Speaker 2: I think it's stupid in the NBA because there's so

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00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: much more scoring. That's a hockey stat like they use

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00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: that in hockey, which is much more reflective on how

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Speaker 2: valuable a player is on the ice, just because there's

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Speaker 2: significantly less scoring. Last night, the best plus minus for

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Speaker 2: the Pacers was Jeris Walker.

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Speaker 1: Jeris Walker, so would you Isaiah Jackson was seven times

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00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: the plus minus of Pascal Siakam? So was Isaiah Jackson

609
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: seven times the contributor of Pascal Siacam last night. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's the point. Plus minus is stupid and basketball. The

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Speaker 1: more minutes you play, the more it's gonna fluctuate, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, you could be out there for five minutes

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00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: and you could do zero. You can put up no shots,

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Speaker 2: you can put your stat line could be nothing, no points,

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00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: no assistan rebounds at anything, and you can be a

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00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: plus seven.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Kuzma last year in that playoff game with the

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Speaker 1: Bucks where he got a zero all the way across

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00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: the board right, literally call him longs he's full of doughnuts.

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Speaker 1: But yet his plus minus might have been positive. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea because who in the world looks at

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Speaker 1: that stat? And I still maintain, by the way, my

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00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: one other thing, it is driving me bonkers bonkers that

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00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: the ESPN box Scores now lists the points on the

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Speaker 1: far left hand side of the column. Change it, please,

627
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: change it. Please. At least they put minutes over there

628
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Speaker 1: by it too, because for a while they had minutes

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Speaker 1: on the far right. The first thing you look at,

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00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: your eye goes to the right, and holy cow, whoever

631
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: would have guessed it? Last night, Jay Huff at thirty seven, Oh,

632
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: that's minutes drives me bonkers. Scott Agnes, by the way,

633
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: joining us just about eighteen minutes from now. It is,

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00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: by the way, a glorious day in Indiana. It is

635
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: a glorious day in the Hoosier State. All is right

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00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: in the world. All is right in the world because

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00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: one of the great injustices. And I say that somewhat flippantly,

638
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: I totally get it, one of the great injustices now

639
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: has finally been righted corrected the Indiana Basketball Hall of

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00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: Fame and of course the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame

641
00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: over in Newcastle, right, they have announced their Hall of

642
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: Fame class for this year.

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00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 5: Now.

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00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: One person who is getting into the Hall of Fame Eddie. Yeah,

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00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say friend of the show, but kind of

646
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: theme of the show, storyline of the show. How's that

647
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Speaker 1: because not once, not twice, but like six different times

648
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: we were supposed to have him on the show and

649
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: have not been able to line it up. You know

650
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, I do, Rick Fox? Rick Fox

651
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: being inducted into the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame. Now,

652
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: one thing to me that is peculiar about your childhood icon, Well,

653
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: that's what I'm getting at here. One thing to me

654
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: that is peculiar is this, if you are in Indiana,

655
00:37:52,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: mister basketball, like for example, I don't know that I

656
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: think I can say this. I cannot reveal and nor

657
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: would I ever because I have the utmost respect for it.

658
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: But the Indianapolis Motor Speedway Racing Hall of Fame. I

659
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: am one of the voters for that Hall of Fame.

660
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I just submitted my entry like a

661
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: week ago for this year's class. And I literally, I mean,

662
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: I go through it with a fine tooth comb. I

663
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: literally look, is it a flea combe. I analyze, yeah,

664
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Speaker 1: I analyze very heavily who I think should be in,

665
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: and I weigh it all out. And one of the

666
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: things with that is, if it's the Indianapolis Motor Speedway

667
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, it would seem almost a foregone conclusion

668
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: that if you win the Indie would be in it.

669
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: If you were in Indiana, mister basketball, it seems a

670
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: foregone conclusion that you would automatically be in the Indiana

671
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: Basketball Hall of Fame. But Jay Edwards, who is one

672
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: of the all time greats now Rick Fox and Ed

673
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: Shilling is in. And Jay Edwards announced as well, Jay

674
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: Edwards is one, I can tell you, just an unbelievable player,

675
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: one of the in terms of pure and natural athletic

676
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: talent and just overall feel for the game. There is

677
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: not a player that jumps out at me that is

678
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: more naturally gifted than was Jay Edwards. And three obviously

679
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: three straight at Marion. Uh cluster truck in the house? Baby,

680
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: where'd you go with Eddie? Happy Thanksgiving? Evan, have a

681
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: good happy all days. I went back to the staple,

682
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: the Korean barbecue salmon. You love that, man, It's so good.

683
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: So I again went with the case of Dia because

684
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: it's fabulous. But Jay Edwards at Marion, you know, Jay Edwards,

685
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: Lynnon Jones, Derrek Keys, Eric You or Kyle per Singer.

686
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: That team was unbelievable. Three straight state titles eighty five,

687
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: eighty six, eighty seven, arguably the greatest team in Indiana

688
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: high school basketball history. And Jay Edwards and Lynnon Jones

689
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: co co mister Basketball is in eighty seven. Rick Fox

690
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: was on the eighty seven All Star team. But Rick

691
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: Fox was ineligible in his senior year at Warsaw because

692
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: of transfer rules from when he had come from the Bahamas.

693
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: In the years of eligibility, et cetera. But Rick Fox

694
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: now getting in as well. And as for Edwards, he

695
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: upon leaving Marion obviously went to Indiana. He set a

696
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Big Ten record for threes in a game by a

697
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: freshman at Minnesota as a freshman, and then in his

698
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: sophomore year he had one of the most remarkable seasons

699
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: in Big Ten history. Honestly, especially for back then, playing

700
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: and starting and being a leading player as a sophomore

701
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: was so unbelievably rare back then, almost as much as

702
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: it's rare now, because if you're a great player, you're

703
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: gone after your freshman year, but you starting as a

704
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: freshman him playing as a freshman on a defending national

705
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: championship team, I mean all of it. There was so

706
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: much lore around Jay Edwards. But as much lore as

707
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: there was around Jay Edwards, there was also the mystique

708
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: of the fact that he was the guy that most

709
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: represented to an extent the private hypocrisies of the discipline

710
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: of Bob Knight, Because Bob Knight was outwardly so vociferous

711
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: about the demand and discipline of self discipline for players,

712
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: and yet Jay Edwards was a guy that just could

713
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: not keep it in line, and he had you know,

714
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: he racked up like seven hundred dollars in tickets for

715
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: parking in the president of the university's parking spot on campus.

716
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: He had failed drug tests, he had an arrest. I mean,

717
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: he had a lot of issues during the time that

718
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: he was in Bloomington. And yes, ultimately Bob Knight made

719
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: him leave the program, but it was not after Bob

720
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: Knight had basically like ben Nadia Komenich in the way

721
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: that he had contorted himself in bending over backwards for

722
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: Jay Edwards, was that right, Nadia Komenich, Can you spell

723
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: and to find that please so I can add that

724
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: to my arsenal. Nadia in a Da Komenichi or Komenich

725
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: the last name. She was the nineteen seventy six Romanian

726
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: gymnast with a perfect ten in the Olympic Games. Got

727
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: it married Bart Connor if I'm not mistaken. But nonetheless Knight,

728
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: Jay Edwards represented to a great extent how much Bob

729
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: Knight actually was willing to bend over for a player

730
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: if the player was good enough. And Edward's time in

731
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: Indiana and that sophomore year of eighty nine when they

732
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: started out terrible. They went to a three guard offense,

733
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: Joe Hillman inserted into the lineup, and Edwards hit shots

734
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: game winning shots on back to back to back Sundays

735
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: on ABC, one of them against Perdue, one of them

736
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: against the Perdue one actually tied the game won against

737
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: Miss Michigan that was one of the greatest plays in

738
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: Assembly Hall history. And then a shot over the backboard

739
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: against Illinois that was incredible before Nick Anderson had a

740
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: game winner that beat him. But the after basketball life

741
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: of Jay Edwards was such that he does somewhat represent

742
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: this dilemma of how much do you weigh in a

743
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: player in terms of what they're doing on the court,

744
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: and how much do you weigh in a player in

745
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: terms of what they're doing away from the court and

746
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: everything that goes into it. And the Indiana Basketball Hall

747
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: of Fame had numerous occasions where Edwards was invited back

748
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: for things that Marion team was invited back, you know,

749
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: for the twenty fifth anniversary or the thirty anniversary, whatever

750
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: it may be, and Edwards a lot of times was

751
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: like nowhere to be found. And I know at one

752
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: point they reached out to another Marion player not gonna

753
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: say any names, like, hey, can you get a hold

754
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: of Jay and let him know about this as well?

755
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: And that player was like, look, man, you know we

756
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: can only do so much. Jay Edwards, by all account,

757
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: I don't know him, I've met him. By all account

758
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: what I've always heard, I mean, very nice man, but

759
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: very troubled man in his earlier years, and I think

760
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: that held him back. But if you are going with

761
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: what a guy has done on the floor, his body

762
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: of work as a basketball player at both the collegiate

763
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: and high school level, and notably in going at it,

764
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: the guy was the best player on arguably the best

765
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: team in Indiana high school basketball history, and merits being

766
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: in the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame. And I did

767
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: ask Rick Fox if he'd come on the show. We

768
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: only tried to get him on like six times during

769
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: the finals and never came to fruition. Haven't heard back

770
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: yet from Rick. Scott Agnes joins us next. You know,

771
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: while I'm on my two of probably unpopular opinions, you

772
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: mean your rocking chair. That's right, here's one for you.

773
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: Get off my own two things. There was no greater disparity,

774
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: There was no greater yin and Yang give me two

775
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: things that are well known as polar opposites of one another. Eddie,

776
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: you and me. That's okay, not bad, but I think

777
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: you'll agree with me on this one.

778
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: You need the self, you know, you always need complimented

779
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: and to boost that ego, and I could care less.

780
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: I know. I'm also I don't need the compliments. I

781
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: don't listen at this point in my life. I've had

782
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: enough compliments to last me a lifetime. I don't need anymore.

783
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: I just love me some me, right, Lie? Do you

784
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: like these shoes I'm wearing. They look good on me,

785
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: don't they exactly?

786
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: I don't.

787
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: It's okay. The ones you're wearing today, you're like a woman.

788
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: You got like sixty pairs.

789
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 5: I do.

790
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: No greater dichotomy last night than the awesomeness, the one

791
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: hundred percent awesomeness of the Pacers uniform and the floor.

792
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: The floor was so good.

793
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you weren't there when they debuted it because

794
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: you were on your extravagant vacation.

795
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: Oh was that the second time they've done those? Then? Yeah? Yeah,

796
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: I loved it. But I don't know what that human

797
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: vomit was that was on the Pistons uniforms, Like, let's

798
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: take every color that absolutely has sucked in uniforms of

799
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: the last fifteen years and put them in one. I

800
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: mean all that was missing was teal. Did they raid

801
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: the Vancouver Grizzlies closet? It was awful, like blean, I

802
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: mean just terrible. It had like a little hint of

803
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: like a like a fusia and then at least there

804
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: was like a dark teal and burgundy. And but the

805
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Pacers one was awesome. Joining us now on the Java House,

806
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. Java House, by the way,

807
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Speaker 1: twenty five percent off site wide this week, and that

808
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: is on top of the twenty five percent off you

809
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Speaker 1: can get with j twenty five as your code and

810
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: you can always enter my name that's Jake Jakae or

811
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Speaker 1: the fan either one for the fan bundle.

812
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Speaker 2: You said twenty five percent off sidewide and I can

813
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Speaker 2: use you in correct correct a Moondo buddy half off.

814
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: Get your Colombian coffee, get your Wrangular Energy, get your

815
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Speaker 2: Liquid Science hydration, all of it.

816
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Speaker 1: I need to talk to the folks out there, and

817
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: you need to get some watermelon. Okay, we'll work on that.

818
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Scott from Fieldhouse Files joining us now, Scott adds, I'm

819
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: going to begin with a PACER's trivia question. You have

820
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: to close your eyes, don't look at anything when I

821
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: ask you ready, gotcha? The old school logo middle of

822
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: the floor last night, left or right handed?

823
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 6: Left is my first thought?

824
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: Correct because you can see the thumb.

825
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 6: That's my first thought immediately. Yeah, because that ends to.

826
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: That, that is correct. It is a left handed hand

827
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: because it's holding the ball and you can see the

828
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: thumb under The uniforms were absolutely awesome I thought last night, Scott,

829
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: feel free to disagree. It felt a little old school

830
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: Pacer last night, and by that I mean old school

831
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: meeting six months ago, based on the fact that the

832
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: Pacers did not allow themselves to ever totally get out

833
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: of that game, and they used just kind of that

834
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: methodical pacing to get themselves back in it. What say you, Yeah?

835
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Speaker 6: I would say that second half was as good of

836
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 6: basketball as we've seen from this group, especially in the

837
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 6: third quarter, Jake, where that's been their real issue throughout

838
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 6: the season that we've seen so far in the first month.

839
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 6: The second quarter I would say did get a little

840
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 6: bit away from them. I did think there was a

841
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 6: big wall there where you had to use a couple

842
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 6: of time outs. You already burned a challenge by that point,

843
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 6: which by the way, got you some nice airtime I

844
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 6: should mention. But overall, as a whole, you saw, yeah,

845
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 6: yeah you did.

846
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: How did I looked? I look, okay, you did.

847
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 6: You're just watching and enjoying it. For the court side seats,

848
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 6: kind of jealous.

849
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: There we go. Proof is in the pudding hair. Look good? Yeah,

850
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: I was tired yesterday. I hope it had gone too

851
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: much anyway.

852
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 6: Go no, Janna, Sorry, I do worry about that. For

853
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 6: those people sitting court side, is is when you don't

854
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 6: know the cameras on you and you're just doing natural thing, jawning,

855
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 6: wiping your face, and you never know where that goes.

856
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 6: But yeah, sure that too. I'd love the fact that

857
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 6: they had the balance, and more than anything, I thought

858
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 6: the fact that they got contributions from the bench was

859
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 6: significant because as they've gotten thin with their lineups, that

860
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 6: second unit just hasn't provided enough punch. And to have

861
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 6: four guys in double figures to have jaris Walker's best

862
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 6: game as a pro. And I thought what was most

863
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 6: interesting about what he did is he did everything confidently

864
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 6: and quickly. I counted Jake, among his ten shots, taken

865
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 6: only nine dribbles to do so. Two of them were

866
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 6: layups in transition, most of them were catching shoot threes.

867
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: Scott, I'm gonna name off and describe a couple of

868
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: players on the Pacers roster, and I want you to

869
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: tell me if you can guess which player I'm talking about. Okay, gotcha? Okay,

870
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: player number one. At first, I was ready to throw

871
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: in the towel because I think that we thought there

872
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: was going to be a production level out of the

873
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: box unfairly that was higher than what was being produced.

874
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: But now that water has kind of calmed down a

875
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: little bit, I look at this player and say, I

876
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: think this can be a really nice piece on a

877
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: team that is having this player play seventeen to twenty

878
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: minutes a night off of the bench and can be

879
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: a nice contributor in that area. What player am I

880
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: talking about?

881
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 6: That would be Ja Huff.

882
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: That is exactly correct. Now, would you agree with that?

883
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, not only were no animals harmed

884
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: during this experiment, but also Scott and I did not

885
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: talk about this ahead of time. Okay, would you agree

886
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: with that assessment.

887
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 6: Entirely. Absolutely. I thought throughout training camp you could see

888
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 6: coming to a new team and not being familiar with

889
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 6: this pace, in this style of play. Wait on him.

890
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 6: He would over and you know, put his arms to

891
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 6: his knees, showing how tired he was, And I thought,

892
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 6: it's taken him a minute to settle in. From that front,

893
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 6: I think the interchangeable parts that that center spot probably

894
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 6: helped hasn't helped any of them is because it's not

895
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 6: allowed them to get comfortable and unlock whatever their role is.

896
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 6: But I think things changed for him maybe eight games

897
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 6: in or so. It's what it felt like. Not only

898
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 6: did was he playing more confident I think in his

899
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 6: role in knowing what to provide, but it felt like

900
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 6: he was given the green light because he fires right

901
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 6: away and if he doesn't, he might put it on

902
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 6: the floor and have a nice dunk at the basket.

903
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 6: What's remarkable about him is, and this is exactly why

904
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 6: the Pacers were interested in them with their analytics team,

905
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 6: is Jay huff leads all players, all players across the

906
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 6: league Jake in blocks per minute right now, yes, even

907
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 6: Wimby by like two blocks. And so the analytics and

908
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 6: what he's able to provide in that short perse. This

909
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 6: is the this is the guy that they went and

910
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 6: traded for to be the backup center, and I think

911
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 6: he's done well at that spot over the last week

912
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 6: or two.

913
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: Okay, player number two. I had very high expectation of

914
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: this player, but also curiosity as to where they are,

915
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: and while they show moments and flashes, I'm becoming increasingly

916
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: concerned that their role may become even harder and harder

917
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: to define or wedge in once the roster is in

918
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: totality or next year moving forward, I.

919
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 6: Will say I kind of thing Benedict Matheren, But my guts,

920
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 6: says Jeris Walker. Okay, I'm going to Jaris.

921
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: To be Both of those are perfectly sufficient and applicable answers.

922
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson is my guy. There your thoughts.

923
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Isaiah is still trying to find his footing.

924
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 6: My biggest concern with him has been foul trouble, and

925
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 6: that's totally disrupted what he's been able to do on

926
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 6: the floor throughout most of the season. I mean, it's

927
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 6: almost a given. It feels like that he has two

928
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 6: fouls in the first four minutes, that's been his trend

929
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 6: in these first seventeen games or so, and he'll have

930
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 6: some bright points, especially with some blocks underneath the basket.

931
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 6: He's not a stretch guy. Very different from Miles Turner

932
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 6: in that way. While they both defend the rim, Isaiah's

933
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 6: gonna hover and hang around there, whereas Miles is going

934
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 6: to venture out along the three point line. I've had

935
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 6: that thirst for more, but I'm also giving him the

936
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 6: grace of guy just had surgery on this, like fifty

937
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 6: four weeks ago.

938
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: And Scott, here's what. And it's totally unfair of me

939
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: to go with this because to your point, you know

940
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: he had the achilles right and so therefore it's a

941
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: different requirement of that tendon in terms of what you're

942
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: looking for the player to do athletically. But I look

943
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 1: and I know that every body is different, literally every

944
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: human body is different. But I'm looking at Isaiah Jackson,

945
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: and I'm using that in my mind, be it fair

946
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: or not, as the barometer as to what expect what

947
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: to expect from the return of Tyrese Haliburton and his burst.

948
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: And I know that all of that is unfair, but

949
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: the human nature in me goes there and for that reason,

950
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: it does seem to me at this point that Isaiah

951
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: Jackson has yet to get back to ninety percent of

952
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: what he was before of his athleticism. But is that

953
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: too critical of me because of the mentions that I

954
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 1: said beforehand about precedent of what I'm.

955
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 6: Looking for, I think I would disagree on. I think

956
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 6: he's I think he looks better than expected athletically to absolutely, absolutely,

957
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 6: But I wonder about the mental aspect right right, that

958
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 6: mental hurdle too clear, and do you worry about every

959
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 6: step those sort of things in addition to being asked

960
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 6: to do a lot more on the floor and play

961
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 6: against the best opposing center. Now before you're going against

962
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 6: the backup sometimes a third guy, depending on where you

963
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 6: fall in the rotation. So now he's had to elevate

964
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 6: his game while his injury comes with it. I haven't

965
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 6: been worried about the burst or athleticism or leaping ability

966
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 6: to go get a rebound as much as his availability

967
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 6: or playing within the flow of the offense or being

968
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 6: in the right positions.

969
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: Okay, now let's go to how or to matherin Scott.

970
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: I know it's it's, you know, a tired subject. To

971
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: a great extent. But with that said, it's been mathering

972
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: on this roster next.

973
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 6: Year hard to prognosticate here, I would say yes at

974
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 6: this point right now, I would only because what does

975
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 6: this team need. They need some scoring. They need that

976
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 6: that dog that fight, uh, the guy that's as competitive

977
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 6: as hell, and he's probably the number one competitor on

978
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 6: this bunch. Some would say, and this isn't him, but

979
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 6: it's kind of in a different light. You need like

980
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 6: one little crazy, you know, on that roster.

981
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: That right didn't read Mill always say every team needs

982
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: a little crazy.

983
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, And he's by no means crazy. He's just in

984
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 6: his own world. Maybe he's the best way to say

985
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 6: it sometimes. And I do think you kind of need

986
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 6: that the guy that all right whatever, I don't care,

987
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 6: we're down nineteen, We're gonna go make a run in

988
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 6: this third quarter. All that's to say. It all depends

989
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 6: obviously on his financial value, how much it's going to

990
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 6: put the Pacers over the tax. But if we're just

991
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 6: talking strictly basketball, they need a guy like Benedict Mathern.

992
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 6: I'd be good with that.

993
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: Scott. Will it matter where the Pacers selecting the coming

994
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: draft on a decision in Matheren, because in my opinion,

995
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: if you have a top three pick and you have

996
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: the option of taking Darren Peterson or a J die

997
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: banstar or whatever the kid's name is from BYU, both

998
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: those guys play the same spot as matherin, could that

999
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: influence their decision at all? And I know we're way way, way, way,

1000
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: way way way he's away from that, but I think

1001
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: that's probably something as well. The monitor going.

1002
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 6: Forward, right, Yeah, as I wrote yesterday, I had caution

1003
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 6: everybody against most of this conversations for like one more month.

1004
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 6: Then I think we'll have a much bigger picture, a

1005
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 6: clear picture of where things are going. I would simply

1006
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 6: say this, Eddie, I think it's going to come down

1007
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 6: more than anything, less about overlap and more about financial implications.

1008
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 6: If it's going to cost you forty million a year,

1009
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 6: Pacers simply probably cannot afford that and put a sustainable

1010
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 6: team on the roster. The way in which they play,

1011
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 6: the style of play, the pace, the pressure in full court,

1012
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 6: they need depth over top line talent, and so for

1013
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 6: that reason, I think you would have to consider what

1014
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 6: you have and be able to keep the pieces that

1015
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 6: you have now if it's if he doesn't have a

1016
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 6: all star level, all NBA type season and he doesn't

1017
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 6: command a max or something close to a max contract

1018
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 6: and you can work with him, then yeah, I don't

1019
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 6: see why you don't bring him back, because also you

1020
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 6: can always figure it out later. That's what I go

1021
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 6: for teams for players, sign the contract, get what you want,

1022
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 6: and then if it doesn't work, that's fine. Sometimes that happens.

1023
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 6: You figure out a deal later. Scott Agnes is our guest.

1024
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 6: Fieldhouse Files is where you can read his work. Pacers

1025
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 6: last night dropping one to Detroit. Scott I was asked

1026
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 6: this yesterday. See if your answer drives with me, how

1027
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 6: far into the year do they go before they then

1028
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 6: if they are on the same trajectory from both the

1029
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 6: health standpoint and a record standpoint, how far in do

1030
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 6: they go before they definitively make the decision amongst the

1031
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 6: Pacers brass Okay, this is indeed the rebuild year, and

1032
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 6: we're going to go with a spur strategy of seeing

1033
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 6: what we can get draft wise. I'm not saying tank,

1034
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 6: but just accepting the reality.

1035
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, their.

1036
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 6: Curt reality is they haven't had as many healthy bodies

1037
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 6: to even put guys out there. Now that's changing fortunately

1038
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 6: a little bit, and they should get about three more

1039
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 6: players back by mid next My next month is what

1040
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 6: they're hoping for with that front. To me, I think

1041
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 6: you're looking at six weeks basically the turn of the

1042
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 6: new year. In January, initial conversations about what's out there

1043
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 6: and draft prospects and all that. That'll usually happen that

1044
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 6: the G League winnership, which is in December, mid December,

1045
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 6: right before Christmas, that's when you start to have trade

1046
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 6: conversations with teams. That's where the first discussions might even happen.

1047
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 6: Then you get into January, and we saw last year

1048
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 6: interestingly enough trades went earlier than usual. But if you're

1049
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 6: making deals, if you're looking more futuristic and by January,

1050
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 6: then I think we absolutely can start having a conversation

1051
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 6: of this team could sneak in the playoffs, or this

1052
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 6: just isn't their year. They need rest, they need to

1053
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 6: be forward thinking. But I think it's premature right now.

1054
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 6: I say we'll have a really good clear indicator by

1055
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 6: mid December, and I think a decision could be made

1056
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 6: by say January. But either way, players aren't going to

1057
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 6: play aren't going to care. Guys like Mathern. He's in

1058
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 6: a contract year, so he's going to want to play.

1059
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 6: I can tell you that.

1060
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: Hey, have you been to any other Boom games aside

1061
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: from the opener where I saw you?

1062
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 6: I did. I was there Sunday afternoon for their first

1063
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 6: win of the.

1064
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: Season, So I'm curious of this what has been and

1065
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: because that that first night, and for those that are

1066
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: unfamiliar the Noblesville Boom, they are playing in the what's

1067
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: it called something, my Innovative Mile.

1068
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 6: The arena Innovation Mile.

1069
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: Okay, and that's up in Noblesville. It is about, if

1070
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,479
Speaker 1: I had to guesstimate it, sixty percent the size of

1071
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: the Fishers Event Center. Nice venue, really nice venue, not

1072
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: a bad seat in the house. But that first night

1073
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: it was packed. I mean that there was not a

1074
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: seat to be had, And I'm curious how sustainable that is?

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Speaker 1: How was the crowd on a Sunday On.

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01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 6: That Sunday was not very good? But look, you're going

1077
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 6: against the behemoth of the NFL and the Colts are

1078
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 6: playing the Chiefs and one of the best games of

1079
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 6: the year that we would have known three months ago.

1080
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 6: So that's a really hard thing to go against there.

1081
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 6: But here's the one to look forward to, perhaps this

1082
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 6: upcoming Sunday, Jake. It's the Wisconsin Herd. Every IU fan

1083
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 6: should be there. Victor Oladipo presumably will be playing in

1084
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 6: that one, so that should be a good test. And

1085
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 6: what was cool for the team over the weekend is

1086
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 6: they had finally got their two ways, some of them

1087
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 6: to play. Taylan, Peter Ray j Dennis both played. But

1088
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 6: I would say the crowd of thirty four hundred seats

1089
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 6: it was probably fifteen hundred for that happen, and that's.

1090
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: Still not terrible, but you know, it's better than what

1091
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 1: they were getting probably in Fort Wayne. And I haven't

1092
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: looked Scott. How has Oladipo done. I know that he really,

1093
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: as I understand it, Oladipo, I mean, obviously based on

1094
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: the fact that he's playing in the G League. That

1095
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: tells you something in terms of his desire to get back.

1096
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: He really wants to prove that he can still play.

1097
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: But how has he looked?

1098
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've watched a handful of the games and there's

1099
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 6: some bright moments where he'll go on runs, score eight

1100
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 6: ten points in a row, and then I saw a

1101
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 6: couple of highlights the other day where shot at three

1102
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 6: from the top of the ark and the air bowlt

1103
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 6: you know underneath, So I would say, right now, it's

1104
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 6: kind of a mixed bag and what he's producing there,

1105
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 6: but it's averaging looks like thirteen points, five rebounds per game,

1106
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 6: four assists, and just trying to make the most of

1107
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 6: this opportunity for a Herd team that has not been

1108
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 6: very good.

1109
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: The guy that has really impressed me with the boom

1110
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: and you and I talked about it when we were there.

1111
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: I really liked just his overall athleticism. I thought he

1112
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: shot the ball well. I think defensively is going to

1113
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: be the weakness. It's going to hold him back. But

1114
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: that's Kyle Guy out of Lauren Central, who obviously won

1115
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: played with Jay Huppett Virginia. He's looked good to be

1116
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: How did he look when you saw him?

1117
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, Kyle Guy's been good, so good that in fact,

1118
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 6: he was named to the USA Basketball qualifying team for

1119
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 6: the World Cup. There's only twelve guys on that bunch,

1120
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 6: including former pacer Tory Craig for example. So for a

1121
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 6: guy that, by the way, hasn't played for a year

1122
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 6: and a half has been coaching to get back into

1123
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 6: thus far, excluding the G League guys who were not

1124
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 6: really available, and the Pacers or the Boom are also

1125
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 6: down their two top centers, which has made things complicated.

1126
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 6: The roster has been tightened to basically eight guys. Kyle

1127
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 6: Guy's been the standout performer in it, no doubt. And

1128
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Speaker 6: I think the interesting development in all this that's been

1129
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 6: helpful for coach Tom Hankins is Kyle Guy can bridge

1130
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 6: the gap there with a whole new team there's not

1131
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 6: one player back from last season, is he can kind

1132
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 6: of play his coaching role and be the player out

1133
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 6: on the floor as a point guard as such. So

1134
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 6: I think what he's done is exceeded all expectations coming

1135
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 6: back to play.

1136
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: Scott what's new up and coming at field House Files?

1137
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, covered a big notebook yesterday from Pacers. Will do

1138
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 6: the same thing with Fever today. As we saw Caitlin

1139
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 6: Clark being named to the national team training camp that

1140
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 6: will be participating in December. That'll be her first basketball

1141
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 6: since July, and then we'll be looking ahead to this

1142
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 6: homestand that the Pacers have on tap coming up.

1143
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate it, Scott. We'll talk to you soon.

1144
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving to you.

1145
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving guys.

1146
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes joining us from Fieldhouse Files that homestand upcoming,

1147
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: by the way, next week, you've got for the Pacers Detroit, Washington,

1148
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: Chicago all going to be excuse me. Detroit was obviously

1149
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: last night, Washington, Chicago coming up end of the week,

1150
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: and then Monday as well. They got Cleveland Wednesday of

1151
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: next week, Denver. All here games coming up on Thanksgiving Day, Eddie,

1152
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the game, and I want

1153
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: you to tell me which of the three you would

1154
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: list as the Turkey game, the game that is like

1155
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: when I say the Turkey game, the game that's like

1156
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: the the dud matchup. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold

1157
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: on real quick, need to pull up our turkey gobble. Okay,

1158
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: So here are the games in terms of how they

1159
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: slot for Thursday, and then there's I'll throw in the

1160
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: Friday game as well, because there is a Friday game. Okay,

1161
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: they're one or is are two? There's one on Friday here,

1162
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: so that you're picking one Turkey game amongst them. I

1163
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: will read them all off and then we'll go back.

1164
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: I will read them again and we'll see which one

1165
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: you decide is the Turkey game. The games are as follows.

1166
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 1: On Thanksgiving Day, You've got the Green Bay Packers in

1167
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: Detroit to take on the Lions. That is a one

1168
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: o'clock kick on Fox. You've got the Kansas City Chiefs

1169
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 1: that we just saw beat the Colts. They are going

1170
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: to be in Dallas for the typical Thanksgiving game in Dallas.

1171
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: That is a four to thirty game on CBS. Seems

1172
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: odd not seeing the Cowboys on Fox on Thanksgiving. To

1173
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: be honest with you, You've got Cincinnati and Baltimore to

1174
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: take on the Ravens in Baltimore. That is the eight

1175
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: to twenty game on NBC on Thanksgiving Night. And then

1176
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: on Friday it is De Bearse of Chicago in Philadelphia

1177
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: to take on the Eagles. That is a three o'clock

1178
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: Prime video game. So with that, I will give you

1179
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: the game. You tell me which one when you are

1180
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: ready is your Turkey game green Bay at Detroit.

1181
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: Now kind of a clarification here, Turkey game being the

1182
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 2: Kram Devil, the Cram the game.

1183
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: That I have to be on Turkey game, and it's

1184
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: a Turkey It's a bad game, Green Bay at Detroit,

1185
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: Kansas City at Dallas. I'm just kidding, Cincinnati at Baltimore,

1186
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: Chicago at Philly. So you're saying Cincinnati and Baltimore just

1187
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: because of even though Joe Burrow's back.

1188
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 2: Yes, because I want to see if the bear are

1189
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: for real. This is a good test for them on

1190
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 2: Friday night against Philly. It is, you know, they're kind

1191
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: of in that same conversation as like the Colts, the Patriots, Broncos, Broncos,

1192
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 2: like they're eight and three, but like they just picked

1193
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: up their first win last week? Did Chicago against a

1194
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: team over five hundred? Did you know that Ben Franklin

1195
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: wanted the turkey to be the national bird?

1196
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 4: No?

1197
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: And did you know that turkeys God loved them. I

1198
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: don't know if you knew this or not. Eddie, can

1199
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: you look up for me if this is factor fiction?

1200
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: Can you look up for me that whether or not

1201
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 1: it's factor fiction. The turkeys, they they have a lack

1202
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,479
Speaker 1: of intellect, intuition. They're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

1203
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 1: And as a result that turkeys, if you rain water

1204
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: down from above them, they can drown because they try

1205
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: to drink the water and they're not capable of doing so,

1206
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: and it drowns them.

1207
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: Turkeys are often perceived us having a lack of intellect,

1208
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 2: but this is a misconception. While turkeys exhibit impressed of

1209
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 2: cognitive abilities, including problem solving skills, really memory, retention, and

1210
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: social intelligence.

1211
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: Does it mention anything about water? Does it mention anything

1212
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: about whether or not they drown them by spraying water

1213
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: from up above? No, that would be it would seem

1214
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: as though that myth would be debunked by their problem

1215
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: solving skills. I don't know if you know this or not,

1216
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: but oftentimes maybe perhaps they're actually all doing wordle.

1217
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 2: So domestic turkeys may show less intelligence due to their upbringing.

1218
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 2: Wild turkeys demonstrate sophisticated behaviors.

1219
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: Wild turkeys drink a lot. I suggest that they possess

1220
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: a level of cognitive capacity. Really, overall turkeys, they're not dumb.

1221
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: They are intelligent creatures with complex behaviors and emotional intelligence.

1222
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: So they don't really drown. Can you put in turkeys drowning?

1223
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: Look that up? See if am I the only person

1224
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: that has heard this theory on turkeys. Turkeys do not

1225
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: drown themselves. So, but it's been out there that they do.

1226
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: It's a myth. It is a myth, you know why.

1227
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: Experts, including Adam Butler from the Mississippi Department of Wildlife,

1228
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: confirmed that there are no documented cases of turkeys drowning themselves.

1229
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: What doesn't rain in Mississippi? What would Adam?

1230
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 4: Though?

1231
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that they have like hurricanes that coming

1232
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: through there. The so Adam says that can we get

1233
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: Adam on the show to spell some of these turkey myths?

1234
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: What what sort of domesticated? I like to know this

1235
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: when it says domesticated turkeys, What does that mean exactly?

1236
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: Are there people that have turkey pets? Yes, they can

1237
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: have them on a farm. Okay, that's not a pet, though,

1238
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: I guess that is. I mean, I think of domesticated

1239
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: as meaning a pet, but that obviously would be a

1240
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: like a farm raised turkey is more a domesticated turkey

1241
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: than a wild turkey, right, Not like they're coming inside

1242
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: the house and sitting on the couch, right, That's what

1243
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: I think of, Like like a cat is domesticated, the

1244
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: dog is a domesticated animal. Are are cows domesticated? Are

1245
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: pigs domesticated? I guess somewhat right? I can tell you're

1246
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: still looking up turkey facts. No, am, I correct that

1247
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: Ben Franklin wanted to have the turkey as the national bird.

1248
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: Can you look that up? Yes? Cows are domesticated, are they? Yeah?

1249
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: You know why? There's no such thing as a wild cow.

1250
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: You ever been driving out in the middle of nowhere

1251
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: and like, oh my gosh.

1252
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 7: Cow?

1253
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: Ever? No, not like twister right like where like any

1254
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: animal you could think of, there's some sort of origin.

1255
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: We're like, well, yeah, they come from the streets of

1256
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: such and such, not cows, right, Cows like I mean, cows,

1257
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: I guess in that regard are smart. They're just hanging

1258
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,759
Speaker 1: out in houses. Benjamin Franklin did not want the turkey

1259
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 1: as ma larkey. What are you reading that? Keep going?

1260
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: The myth that he proposed a turkey instead of a

1261
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 2: bald eagles dims from a letter he wrote in seventeen

1262
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 2: eighty four where he criticized the bald eagles character and

1263
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 2: suggested the turkey as a more character respectable character. However,

1264
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 2: this letter was.

1265
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: He got a bald eagle that barreled money and didn't

1266
01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: pay him back. Character? What was Ben frankl This letter

1267
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: was never Franklin went over to France, had gotten all

1268
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: kinds of problems. Now he's coming back and he's judging

1269
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: the character of a bald eagle.

1270
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: This letter was never intended as a serious proposal for

1271
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 2: the national bird, and the bald eagle was officially chosen

1272
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 2: as the emblem of the United charates Ben Franklin.

1273
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: Ben Franklin's coming back. He's got like like half of

1274
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: France that he's gotten to know, and he comes back

1275
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: and he's questioning the character of a bald eagle. What

1276
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: in the world is that all about? Hold On? Hold on?

1277
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: We have a text on the text line. Is it's

1278
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: Sam the bald Eagle?

1279
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: No, we have a text on the text line that's

1280
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: all okay, I just gotta find something real quick.

1281
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: We have a text on the text line of two three,

1282
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: nine ten seventy correct. Yeah, yeah. Is it about the

1283
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: character of Eagles?

1284
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: No, no, okay, it's about turkeys, and it says, what

1285
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 2: hold on?

1286
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: You know, the Bears in the Philadelphia game on Friday night,

1287
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: it's going to be a good game because it's going

1288
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: to be a true test of the character of Philadelphia

1289
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: and the Eagles gotta trust touch the character of all right,

1290
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: here you go a listener. You got what you wish for? Yes, yes,

1291
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: the listener do we have?

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01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: There?

1293
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: It was James, he said, just he said, I want

1294
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: to hear my winning turkle the Turkey gobbles.

1295
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: James walk early. I'm standing from James. Stephen Holder will

1296
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: save us in just over thirty three ass six an

1297
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: hour from now. Walked around the corner today in the building.

1298
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: Stunned me a little bit because not only do we

1299
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: have a situation, we've got a kind of a breaking

1300
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: news situation down in our parking garage, do we not?

1301
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: Eddie floating poos made it so that we can't park

1302
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: in P one right? But yes, huh P two But yeah,

1303
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: that's right. P two Sorry two floors blow the ground.

1304
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: So I had to park upstairs, which I don't usually

1305
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: park upstairs because you know, the the bougie folks park downstairs.

1306
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: And then I did, and I rounded the corner and

1307
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: I was very startled, very startled. You can when I

1308
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: see a guy walking around dressed like a greyhound, and

1309
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: I realize it's because you're fired up for your alma mater, right,

1310
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: that's right. Saturday at Key Stadium on the near south

1311
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: side of Indianapolis. You, Indy will be hosting the college

1312
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: football Playoff. After beating Truman State in the first round

1313
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: of their playoffs fifty seven fourteen, they have their first

1314
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: playoff win since twenty eighteen. It is the third all

1315
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: time in the Division two playoffs. Now will be right

1316
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 1: on the U Indie campus and the guy that has

1317
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 1: guided the Hounds to ten straight wins joins us now

1318
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: in the job house Peel and Port guest line Chris

1319
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: Kievers is the head coach for you, Indy Coach, how

1320
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: are you?

1321
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 8: I'm doing well?

1322
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 5: How you play?

1323
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: You know what I can't complain. I love this time

1324
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: of year and football is so much fun. I mean

1325
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: in general, but this time of year in particular, because

1326
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: now you know, now is when you're getting out of

1327
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: the brass tacks right and for you guys, it has

1328
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: been really a dream season. And I want to begin

1329
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: by talking about your quarterback play because you've got a

1330
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 1: guy in Gavin Soukup that is just leading you guys. Coach.

1331
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: But let's be real, this is legitimately a d for

1332
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: for lack of better phrase, I'll put it this way.

1333
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean the Harlan Hillward, which is basically the D

1334
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: two Heisman. Right, this is a guy that has played

1335
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: at a nationally historic level. For you guys, what is

1336
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: it about his leadership that has most impressed you this season?

1337
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 8: Well, he just he's a he's a great team guy.

1338
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 8: And then everybody respects him because the way he plays.

1339
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 8: He plays he's he's works at it harder than everybody else's.

1340
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 8: He's always in the office. He's you know, if he's

1341
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 8: not in class, he's in the office. He's great with

1342
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 8: everybody on the team. And then he's a you know,

1343
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 8: strong arm athletic. I mean, he's he's the real deal.

1344
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 8: I mean he's he's been the MVP of our league

1345
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 8: the last two years, the last three years and just

1346
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 8: came in yesterday, and I mean he's he's the reason

1347
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 8: why we're you know, we're sitting in one ten row.

1348
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: There's no question you get set now for and this

1349
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: is big, right, It's big for your program, it's big

1350
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: for your university. It's big for the South side of

1351
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: Indy to have the college Football Playoff coming right here

1352
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 1: to your home stadium. And you've got a team coming

1353
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: in in Minnesota State that I'm going to assume now

1354
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: I could be wrong in this coach, But is it

1355
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: a little bit like looking in the mirror just because

1356
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 1: you are so familiar. I don't know about their style

1357
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: of play, but the coaching aspect of it, you've got

1358
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: some familiarity.

1359
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 8: On the other sideline, Yeah, I mean they're a discipline team.

1360
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 8: I mean, they're good on special teams. You know, they're physical,

1361
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 8: they tackle. You know, those are the similarities. You know,

1362
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 8: they they are. They do run their own you know,

1363
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 8: they run the ball a lot more than we do.

1364
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 8: They don't. They throw it about twenty times a game,

1365
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 8: So there's some you know, there's a lot of similarities

1366
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 8: in the programs. But in terms of our offensive philosophy,

1367
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 8: their quarterback is a runner who throws it. You know,

1368
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 8: he'll throw it, but not as much, where our guy

1369
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 8: is more of a thrower. He'll run, but he's more

1370
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 8: of a thrower.

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: Chris Key versus is my guest Java House peel and

1372
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 1: poor guest line coach. I'm always fascinated by this when

1373
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: you get to a point in the year where your

1374
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: guys are getting a chance to do things that are

1375
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: profiling your university, your athletic department, your program. They're doing

1376
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,440
Speaker 1: some things that are starting to get into new territory

1377
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: for you indie football. You want them to know and

1378
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: be aware of and conscientious of the history that is

1379
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: there in the balance for them. But it's the same class.

1380
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you also want to make

1381
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: sure that they know that it's just another game, if

1382
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: that makes sense, or you know what I mean, like,

1383
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: how do you balance the Let's do what we do,

1384
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: but let's be aware of what we're doing.

1385
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 8: Are you sitting in my meetings? Do what we do

1386
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 8: is always what I say, that is great? You know,

1387
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 8: that's we talk about it all the time. We're going

1388
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 8: to do what we do each Our practice schedules haven't changed.

1389
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 8: Our approach hasn't changed.

1390
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 5: We are doing what we do.

1391
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 8: Uh, but you know, the games do me. We're in

1392
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 8: the sweet sixteen. You know we can get to the

1393
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 8: final eight by but we're going to do it doing

1394
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 8: what we do. I mean, we're not gonna We haven't

1395
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 8: changed our approach. We haven't changed how we're doing things

1396
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 8: during the week. If you have a great week of practice,

1397
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 8: you're going to play well on Saturday. And that's that's

1398
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:05,440
Speaker 8: how we do things.

1399
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: What I love about it, coach is you're doing all

1400
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: of this. You do what you do, and you're doing

1401
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: it with and it's great. I mean, look, I know

1402
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: that Gavin if I'm not mistaken your quarterback because I

1403
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 1: think a native of Nebraska, right and somebody that started

1404
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 1: elsewhere then comes to you Indy. But at the same time,

1405
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: what I love about the fact that it's you, Indy

1406
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: is and you're gonna go get players no matter where

1407
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: I get it. If a kid wants to come play

1408
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: for you and he can play, you're gonna take him.

1409
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: But I do love the fact that you have gotten

1410
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: this year key contributions from a number of guys that

1411
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: are playing right in their own backyard, whose parents can

1412
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: come right out, their high school coach can come right out,

1413
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: and you've been able to recruit right here within the

1414
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: Marion County area. What key contributors do you look towards

1415
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: that are Indie guys?

1416
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 8: You know, uh, we've had We've got some great ones

1417
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 8: this year. I mean we've you know, Danny Royster from Lawrence.

1418
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 8: Stort's a defensive end, Jenn Wilson's a lampback from from Brownsburg.

1419
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 8: I'm Arris is out the lineback from Ben Davias Grant

1420
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 8: Ray's a guard from Roncolli, and then Garrett Cheryl's are

1421
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 8: running back from Brownsburg. Those guys are all first team

1422
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 8: All Conference players for us. You know, we know them

1423
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 8: so well. We see him practice, we see him work out,

1424
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 8: we see him at camps.

1425
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 5: That's what the.

1426
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 8: Wonderful thing about when you're out and recruiting Indianapolis. We

1427
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 8: know the kids so well before we even start the

1428
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 8: recruiting process, so you know, you get a little better evaluation,

1429
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 8: you get to know them a lot better, and you

1430
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 8: got to see him. You gotta see him play on

1431
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 8: Frida night. So our guys go out to the games

1432
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 8: every Friday. We just see those guys. It's a huge

1433
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,480
Speaker 8: advantage because football Indianapolis is dynamite.

1434
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: You know, we're in November, about to turn into December, right,

1435
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: your goal obviously to continue playing into December. You look,

1436
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: when you look at a calendar, coach, over the course

1437
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: of the year, what's the most important month that sets

1438
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: the foundation plants the seed for November? December?

1439
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 8: Oh, you know, I'd probably say February. I mean that's

1440
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 8: when we start, you know, we start lifting weights and

1441
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 8: creating our team for the next year and running our

1442
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 8: guys in the mornings, and that's when you build the foundation.

1443
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 8: You know, we've we've got a great strength coach, Steve

1444
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 8: Barrick is dynamite and he gets our guys ready.

1445
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 5: And but we in.

1446
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 8: February and March, we we really we work hard and

1447
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 8: we make him make a commitment and we run in

1448
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 8: the mornings and it's tough. You know, it's still old

1449
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 8: school football. So that's kind of when you build a foundation,

1450
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 8: the toughness of your team. And then and then every

1451
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 8: month after that, I mean, it's it doesn't stop. It's

1452
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 8: it's twelve months.

1453
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 5: You know.

1454
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 8: I tell our guys when we recruit them, you know,

1455
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 8: if you like to work, I mean, you'd love to

1456
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 8: come here because we're gonna work.

1457
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 5: Twelve months out of the year.

1458
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 8: We don't. We don't take time off.

1459
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: What when you when you do what you do, what

1460
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: point in the year, if at all? I mean maybe

1461
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: you're maybe doing what you do is constantly evolving. Maybe

1462
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: that's part of what you do, right, but but what

1463
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: point in the year do you Chris Kievers at U

1464
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: Indy look at the season and say it's late to

1465
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: introduce a new wrinkle. If there's a you know if if,

1466
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 1: for example, at Minnesota State, if you look at what

1467
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator, Todd Taylor, who I think you know

1468
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 1: what he's drawing up for them. If you find something

1469
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: that you think you can take advantage of, but it's

1470
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: something that you guys have not done, is there a

1471
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: danger there or do you simply say we're gonna stick

1472
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 1: with this and that's it. When do you quit becoming

1473
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: a chameleon.

1474
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 8: Well, every week you've got to put in a new wrinkle.

1475
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 8: I mean you you've got to. That's how you survive.

1476
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 8: I mean you can't. You can't.

1477
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 5: There is to do what you do.

1478
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 8: But when you're when we're working and putting in the

1479
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 8: game plan, we're going to add wrinkles every you know,

1480
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 8: against thing, certain steps we like again, so you know,

1481
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 8: it's it's always changing, and you know you've got to

1482
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 8: You've got in this game. You've got to adjust and

1483
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 8: you've got to try new things because people are so

1484
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 8: good at looking at what you do and stopping what

1485
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 8: you do. So you better have some different wrinkles. And

1486
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 8: my man, Todd Taylor and I worked together for two

1487
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 8: years here at the University of Midnapolis, and I love Taylor.

1488
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 8: I still talk to him probably about once a month.

1489
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: So I assume this month is one that you just

1490
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: decided you're not going to talk, right, I have not talked?

1491
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 1: Is that right? He's not in the meetings? Is what

1492
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: you're getting at, right, there's no question. Now you know.

1493
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: The The beauty of it, though, is that's how football is, right,

1494
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: You just you get there's so much crossover, and there's

1495
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: so much cross pollination amongst guys, and and sometimes you

1496
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: don't know in terms of I'm going to go back

1497
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: to roster coach. Sometimes you don't know about guys until

1498
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: they're truly in the battle and they're in the trench, right,

1499
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: and you can you can actually look at and I'm

1500
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: assuming you tell me if I'm wrong, But from a

1501
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: coaching standpoint, there are probably times where there are players

1502
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: that you underestimated, and there might be players that you overestimated. Right,

1503
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: is there a particular guy that you can look towards

1504
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: and say that was the player that forced me, Chris

1505
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: Keievers the coach to become more aware of what we

1506
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: need to do to like develop guys or assess guys

1507
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: and et cetera.

1508
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 8: Well, we had the Prince Johnson as a kid from

1509
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 8: Kentucky and the Prince was you know, uh, special teams

1510
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 8: contributor a little bit last year, and he just keeps

1511
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 8: getting better. But you know, you just kind of you

1512
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 8: didn't know how good he was going to be. And

1513
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 8: then you know, halfway through the season he's our starting

1514
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 8: corner and he's making plays and he's doing a great stuff.

1515
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,719
Speaker 8: And I underestimated him, had no idea he was just good.

1516
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 8: But you never do until you put him out there

1517
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 8: and you find out then, and he's he's been fantastic.

1518
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 8: He's you know, he's an engineering student. He's brilliant. He's

1519
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 8: a hard worker, and that's why he keeps getting better.

1520
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 8: He comes out and gets works his tail off and

1521
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 8: keeps getting better. And you know, he was a key

1522
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 8: contributor to our game last our playoff game, and you

1523
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 8: know he was not much of a factor Week one.

1524
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: I promise you, you know, I assume that you and

1525
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I know that you're wrapped up in your own deal, right,

1526
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: but I would assume that you get a chance to

1527
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: watch the Colts. Correct. Is that a fair statement?

1528
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 8: I don't we work on Sundays. I never get to

1529
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 8: see him. Okay, Yeah, we Sundays are big work day.

1530
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: We break it down and I get it because you're

1531
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: coming off a game day, right and you're looking at it,

1532
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: but we don't. So you know, the Colt's got a

1533
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: guy in Ashton Doolan. Ashton Doolan's a guy that has

1534
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: been there for a couple of seasons. Now he's now

1535
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: right now, he's actually banged up, but he's a special

1536
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 1: teams guy. He's a gunner on special teams that's kind

1537
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 1: of their fifth sixth receiver. And then whenever there's some

1538
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 1: sort of an attrition coach where the Colts need somebody

1539
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: to step into that slot, Ashton Dooland does it, and invariably,

1540
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: within like five plays of being on the floor, he

1541
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: makes a play. And I've never, to my knowledge, seen

1542
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,799
Speaker 1: Ashton Doolan talk about his minutes, talk about his reps.

1543
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: He just goes out and does what is asked of

1544
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: him and lets everything else come to form. And to me,

1545
01:22:56,479 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: sometimes that guy is as valuable on a roster as

1546
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: your quarterback that is up for National Awards? Now? Is

1547
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: that just me romanticizing that from Afar?

1548
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 8: No? I mean those guys are are so important because

1549
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 8: they're great team guys, and you can. They're plug and

1550
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 8: play guys. You can plug and play in anywhere. And

1551
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 8: that's what the Prince was. He played safety, he played corner,

1552
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 8: he played gunner, on punt, he played you know, he

1553
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 8: was on kickoff. He's kickoff return. He was a plug

1554
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 8: and play guy. And all of a sudden, and every

1555
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 8: time you put him in different spots, he keeps getting better.

1556
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 8: So and then finally you're like, okay, let's just put

1557
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 8: him in on defense and he played, you know there,

1558
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 8: So it's you know, those guys are those guys help

1559
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 8: you win, there's no question. And they're fun to be around.

1560
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 8: And you know that guy's gonna stick around the league.

1561
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 8: He'll play because you know because every time you get

1562
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 8: the opportunity does coming well.

1563
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: Right, And a guy like that that you don't have

1564
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: to you don't have to massage it right, You just

1565
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: you know it's there, and that's it. I mean, being

1566
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: a good teammate sometimes will extend. And I think there's

1567
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: a lesson for all of us in that, no matter

1568
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: what line of work you're in, don't have to be

1569
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: football in particular. Chris Cavers head coach, You Indy too

1570
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: o'clock Key Stadium that is on the near south side

1571
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: of Indianapolis for Undy as they take on Minnesota State

1572
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 1: in the College Football Playoff. Coach, we certainly wish you

1573
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: the best of luck, would love to have you back

1574
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: on man, and hope things go well for you on Saturday.

1575
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 8: Really enjoy it. Can't thank you enough forgetting me on

1576
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 8: and nice talking with you. I'll see you later.

1577
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Chris Cavers, the head coach, at you, Indy,

1578
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: Eddie're gonna be able to make it down to the game.

1579
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: I might be able to. I have nothing going on

1580
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon. Look at you? I mean, did you say

1581
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: it's supposed to snow Sunday? Snow in the forecast on

1582
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: Sunday Firs Day is going to be chilly for the

1583
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: drumstick dash? Right? I'm not sure I think that's right.

1584
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: But so the Colts game snow roof closed?

1585
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 5: Right?

1586
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: Can we go ahead and declare that I would probably

1587
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: guess the roof would be closed?

1588
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:48,879
Speaker 5: Yes?

1589
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: How certain? Are you eighty five percent certain? I have

1590
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: an observation about the Pacers game that Pat Boyler and

1591
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 1: I are becoming increasingly concerned.

1592
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: About little Chilli on Saturday as well, chance of snow

1593
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:03,520
Speaker 2: both Saturday.

1594
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: And Sunday thirty eight high thirty eight right, yeah, both days?

1595
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: Is that? Right? Saturday and Sunday. Look at the big

1596
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: brain on this. I mean, honestly, do you ever just

1597
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: thank yourself that you have access to this nostradamus? No,

1598
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: that's incredible that I knew that off the top of

1599
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: my head. You know what drives me nuts? By the way,

1600
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: this happened to me the other day. I got burnt

1601
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: by this. Do you ever have this? How often do

1602
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: you look at the weather app on your phone frequently?

1603
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: Do you ever have this where you look at something

1604
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, gosh, well, I was going to

1605
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,640
Speaker 1: plan on that for Saturday, but I'm not saying this

1606
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: weekend in general generically speaking, Yeah, we're going to do that.

1607
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: But I looked at it, and uh, eighty percent chance

1608
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: of rain on Saturday. So let's not plan on anything. Well,

1609
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 1: that's been me for the last three weeks. And then

1610
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: you know what happens, So it rains. So what they're

1611
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: saying is it's supposed to rain between midnight and one

1612
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: thirty am, and so therefore that it says eighty percent

1613
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 1: chance of rain. That that didn't count. That's Friday night.

1614
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: That's not even Saturday. It ain't Saturday until you're waking up, right, True,

1615
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: that didn't count. So you got to bet at four?

1616
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: You get up at eleven, right, and sunny outside? Oh

1617
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 1: yeah it rained overnight. Oh come on, that didn't count.

1618
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 1: But Pat Boyler and I have an increasing concern about

1619
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: pacer games that I'll tell you about next. When I

1620
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: was discussing Jay Edwards, I should have also mentioned that

1621
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: one of the all time greats that produce Jeron Cornell

1622
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: also being inducted into the Indiana Basketball Hall of Fame,

1623
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: and the late Jeron Cornell. But he was a fabulous player,

1624
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: smooth as could be out of South Bend South Bend

1625
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: Clay and another that will be brought in and again

1626
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: Jay Edwards, Rick fox Ed Schilling, among others who have

1627
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: been named there. Okay, so last night I'm at the

1628
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 1: pacer game.

1629
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 2: You wish Shannon I was not? Was he your wife?

1630
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: Then you know it's funny I won't finally take her

1631
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 2: to one of those things, what with my buddy Reggie

1632
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: Miller and not Reggie Miller and Reggie did Reggie did

1633
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 2: ask me? He said, By the way, I know that Shannon,

1634
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 2: these are her seats, and thank you for you know,

1635
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 2: inviting me. What does your wife think of that? He

1636
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:19,000
Speaker 2: did ask me that. Not Reggie Bush either, But I've.

1637
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Noticed an increasing trend at pacer games, and I think

1638
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 1: this is a trend in I won't say epidemic within

1639
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: the NBA, but it's an increasing trend that I've noticed.

1640
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: The national anthem. Is this what we're talking about? The

1641
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: national anthem in the j Querry rule, which will become

1642
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: the case when I become the mayor. After we put

1643
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: all of the scooters into the White River and then

1644
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,839
Speaker 1: the pedal bars go into the canal or vice versa

1645
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: interchangeable platform there. And now I see that they're talking

1646
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 1: about like a sportsbook casino in indian and I'm like, hello,

1647
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: Querry mayoral campaign. They're ripping me off. What next You're

1648
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: going to dip into my trademark of why not Indiana

1649
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: Union State should be a sports book casino that then

1650
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: will fund the largest and most elaborate air metrolink system

1651
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 1: throughout the Midwest and Indianapolis, connecting all areas of the city.

1652
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:11,919
Speaker 1: And then the surplus of money will go into Indianapolis

1653
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 1: public schools. But I digress at the pacer games. Now,

1654
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: at halftime, I typically sit and watch the halftime show.

1655
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: In terms of the anthem. When I become the mayor,

1656
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 1: the first thing that I'm going to institute is that

1657
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:28,799
Speaker 1: the anthem should always be done with no exception, no exception.

1658
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 1: The anthem should always be done by local schools, children schoirs, Okay, always.

1659
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 1: There's nothing more delightful than like a third grade class

1660
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: coming out and doing the anthem, trying to hit the

1661
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 1: high note. Yeah, I mean it's you know, because that's

1662
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: it's a difficult song and the best of the best

1663
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: can get lost in that song. What's that song? Anthem?

1664
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: It's a difficult anthem, and the best of the best

1665
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: can get lost in the pitch and or the lyrics

1666
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: of said anthem. But I've noticed the halftime shows, and

1667
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: maybe this all start with Red Panda and Red Panda's injury.

1668
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, I believe she's on the end O. She's back,

1669
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: She's back from hibernation. And but last night they had

1670
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: this fella out there, big grin on his face, running

1671
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,639
Speaker 1: around and he's one of these guys that balances everything,

1672
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,360
Speaker 1: balances a bike on his chin, balances an ironing board

1673
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:26,559
Speaker 1: on his forehead, balances a chainsaw on his elbow, all

1674
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. Right, how do you find out you

1675
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: can do this? I have asked that question a thousand

1676
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 1: alcohol is your answer. I've asked that question for example

1677
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: with the girl that contorts herself and shoots a bow

1678
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: and arrow with her toes.

1679
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 2: Well, Jake, there's a different reason other than alcohol for

1680
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 2: that one.

1681
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, fair also, But what I've noticed is that

1682
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: what we're seeing now with the halftime shows and credit

1683
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 1: to all of these people. Don't get me wrong, but

1684
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: very seldomly now do it? Now? The bow and arrow girl,

1685
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: I think is the exception to what I'm about to say.

1686
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: And then there's that one couple. It's a big l

1687
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: well now, Slottik. Slottik I got no problem with, except

1688
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 1: for that he wears a two to two. That's a

1689
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: little tight. It's getting a little snugsh medium, yes, but

1690
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: he stacks the chair Slottik is another example of what

1691
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Slottik is the og of the chair

1692
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: stack folk. There's a big, brutus looking Paul Bunyan fella

1693
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: that used to do the chin stacking deal, the balancing

1694
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: act what I'm getting at is now all of a sudden,

1695
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 1: and it's not the Pacers. I'm not blaming the Pacers

1696
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: on this. I think this is NBA wide. We're getting

1697
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 1: halftime show, TIMU, We're getting the replacement, the knockoffs of

1698
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the original. I don't know if there's been like a

1699
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: halftime show holdout deal, a collective bargaining deal. I don't

1700
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: know what's going on, but when you go to it,

1701
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, quick change is another one, and

1702
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: I realized that, unfortunately one of those two is no

1703
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: longer with us. But quick Change now there's a new

1704
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: quick Change folk and a lot of this stuff. You're like, look,

1705
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: you've got to be the OG or none, right, Like

1706
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: give me the original or none, because it's like Jamaican Patties,

1707
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 1: Patties of Jamaica fifty the greatest place ever anywhere else

1708
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: you go feels like a knockoff. What am I making?

1709
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: Have you not been at Jamaica Patties? No, when we

1710
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 1: watch Shawshank, I'm going to get for you Patties of

1711
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: Jamaica from fifty second and Alice Mill and Eddie I

1712
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 1: got news fringing to change your life. Change Change your life. Okay,

1713
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: you will be a changed man. You'll come in the

1714
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: next day and you'll start noticing some changes going on

1715
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: in the body, and the voice will be a little deeper. Okay,

1716
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: Steven Holder. Next, you know, the Colts years ago had

1717
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 1: a very promising I think it was an outside linebacker

1718
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 1: pass rusher named O'Brien Alsten. O'Brien Alsten was a bigger guy.

1719
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: He had been a late draft pick, if maybe not

1720
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: even undrafted, was really good, and during a time when

1721
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: the Colts were desperate for any sort of stardom, O'Brien

1722
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: Alston kind of started to feel like he was showing

1723
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 1: that form. And then when they were playing the New

1724
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: York Jets, he had he was trying to tackle Freeman

1725
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 1: McNeil and tore his knee up and ended his career.

1726
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,919
Speaker 1: Freeman McNeil actually went and visited him in the hospital

1727
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: because he felt so guilty about it. Because O'Brien Alston

1728
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: was this rising star and the doc who Eddie just

1729
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: played right there field. He's like the O'Brien Alston of

1730
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: the late eighties early nineties hip hop because his album

1731
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: No One Can Do It Better is one of the

1732
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: all time best of that era, and then shortly after

1733
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: it hit the mainstream, he was involved in a car

1734
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: accident that compromised his vocal cords, and then he strick

1735
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: became a behind the scenes writer type guy. One of

1736
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: the best rising stars in the DC Outstanding Poll. There

1737
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison joining us now on the Java House Peel

1738
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 1: and poor guest line. He is not the DC because

1739
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: he's more than the one hit wonder. He is Stephen

1740
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: Holder from ESPN. Steven, let's begin with this. We have

1741
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: not gotten into this a lot since the Colts game

1742
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: against Kansas City, and that is simply a roll call

1743
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 1: from a health standpoint. And there's one player in particular

1744
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about. But before we do that,

1745
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 1: have we learned anything new or that we were unaware

1746
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 1: of of either improvement or maybe downslide of guys coming

1747
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:36,919
Speaker 1: out of that game at Arrowhead?

1748
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 5: Well, the one you may have discussed this yesterday, I

1749
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 5: don't know. But the one I think that's notable is

1750
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 5: Aston dueling yep. And he might be out a bit.

1751
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 5: I think ankle or hamstring. I don't know. I'm having

1752
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 5: a senior moment, but he will miss some time. According

1753
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 5: to Saint Styche and look, they have I think enough

1754
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 5: receiver depth for the most part, even after training ad Mitchell,

1755
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 5: but he was playing clearly, you know, consistent snaps at receiver.

1756
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 5: But I think where that really hurts them as special teams.

1757
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 5: And I'm just like everybody else. You know, I might

1758
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 5: get up and you know, hit the rest room when

1759
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 5: it's time to punt and that kind of thing. But

1760
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 5: if you watch this team and you don't see the

1761
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 5: value and the contributions of Ashton Dublin in the kicking game,

1762
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 5: then you're not paying attention. So they have been That's

1763
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 5: the one area of their team where they have been

1764
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 5: incredibly consistent all year long in special teams and his

1765
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 5: loss will definitely hurt.

1766
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 1: Do you believe Daniel Jones is one hundred percent healthy?

1767
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 5: He didn't look like it. I can only go by

1768
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 5: what I see because of what I hear is not much.

1769
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 5: I've asked Shane Stikeen every which way up, down, left, right,

1770
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:04,519
Speaker 5: and while no one has said, including Daniel, no one

1771
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 5: has said I'm not hurt. The answer is he's fine.

1772
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 5: He's out there and he's good enough to play. That

1773
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 5: is two different things. And I asked Daniel after the

1774
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 5: game straight up, like, hey, man, are you okay? And

1775
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 5: I was saying stiking yesterday and the answer from Daniel was, Hey,

1776
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 5: if you're good enough to be out there, you're out there.

1777
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 5: And I felt fine. Well, the eye test says something

1778
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 5: a little different. I'm not suggesting that he was, you know,

1779
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 5: significantly encumbered by an injury. I'm not saying that, but

1780
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 5: I do think when you look at some of his

1781
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 5: issues on Sunday. Number one, we saw him run out

1782
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 5: of bounds very casually. That is not Daniel Jones. He

1783
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 5: is not a run out of bounce casually kind of guy.

1784
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 5: If anything, the knocker is like, hey, protect yourself, right,

1785
01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 5: So that was notable, and he looked like he was

1786
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 5: running gingerly on that one scramble. That's number one. Number two,

1787
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,799
Speaker 5: there were some throws where he was inaccurate. He definitely

1788
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 5: missed some throws in the fourth quarter in particular. And

1789
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,799
Speaker 5: what we know about quarterbacks is that their lower body

1790
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 5: really does dictate the accuracy of their throws. So that's

1791
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,799
Speaker 5: all I can tell you. I saw what I saw,

1792
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 5: and they say what they say, and that's all we

1793
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 5: got to go.

1794
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 1: On, Stephen, do you believe? And maybe there's an irresponsibility

1795
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: in even looking at it this way. But to put

1796
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:41,919
Speaker 1: it in perspective, if Anthony Richardson was fully healthy and available,

1797
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: which he's not, I get that, But simply for the

1798
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: sake of the perspective, do you believe that if Anthony

1799
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: Richardson was fully healthy and available that there would have

1800
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 1: been times in that game in Kansas City that perhaps

1801
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: they would have, either because of health or consistency, turned

1802
01:36:57,960 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: to him.

1803
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 5: Good question. I think probably not, just because I think

1804
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 5: what Daniel's done this season would have been enough to

1805
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 5: buy him the credibility and the opportunity to handle those

1806
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 5: situations and finish it out. So I mean, I don't think.

1807
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 5: I don't think he was hurt enough where they would

1808
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 5: have taken him out of the game. What shame Steichen

1809
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 5: values about Daniel Jones, I think more than anything is

1810
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 5: his decision making and understanding and anticipation, all of those

1811
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 5: things right, and that supersedes whatever might be going on

1812
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 5: with him physically. Now that being said, I do think

1813
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,639
Speaker 5: this is going to be an interesting moment for him

1814
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 5: going forward, and this is less about his injury and

1815
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 5: just more about Daniel specifically, because you have to make

1816
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:56,759
Speaker 5: some plays and what the thing that I always questioned

1817
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 5: about Daniel Jones, and I think this is still fair

1818
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 5: to have this conversation. I think he's done a fantastic job.

1819
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 5: Has blown everybody's minds, right, we all agree. However, he

1820
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 5: has not been in a position where he's had to

1821
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 5: go out there and make a clutch play in the

1822
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 5: fourth quarter to win a game. That hasn't happened a

1823
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 5: lot because of the way they've played this year. They've

1824
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,759
Speaker 5: been on the right end of a lot of lopsided games.

1825
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 5: So he's going to be put, I think in some

1826
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 5: situations here down the stretch where he is going to

1827
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 5: have to go get it and he's going to have

1828
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 5: to prove some things.

1829
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 1: Steven, if you took right now, and I'm going with

1830
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:38,600
Speaker 1: each team's primary starter, okay, So like in Cincinnati, you

1831
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: know Joe Burrow. I know he has not been their

1832
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 1: starter this year because of injury, but you know Joe Burrow, right,

1833
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: if you took it right now. In the NFL, for

1834
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: the sake of the discussion here, if every team in

1835
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 1: the NFL had to surrender their quarterback, give them up,

1836
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:59,320
Speaker 1: and then the NFL was going to redraft each team's

1837
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 1: lined up one through thirty two, you draw a number

1838
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 1: out of a hat. That's where you're drafting, and you

1839
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 1: get to take one of the quarterbacks. Literally, every quarterback

1840
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: comes a free agent. Who's the last quarterback selected?

1841
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 5: Oh? Oh, the last quarterback?

1842
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:18,559
Speaker 1: Hmm.

1843
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 5: That is tough. It's it's gotta be let's think about this.

1844
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,360
Speaker 5: It's gotta be one of the worst teams in the NFL.

1845
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: I mean JJ McCarthy, J J McCarthy is Oh my god,

1846
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 1: that's the fact that we're having this conversation is crazy,

1847
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: isn't it.

1848
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,360
Speaker 5: I don't know. Dylan Gabriel might be in there somewhere.

1849
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I don't know enough about the

1850
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 5: kid to be honest.

1851
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 9: Justin field, Dad, Dave McCarthy is definitely on the is

1852
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 9: definitely near the bottom for sure. Okay, yeah, fair, fair, fair.

1853
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean there are four or five right that you

1854
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 1: could say, where does Daniel Jones get drafted?

1855
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 5: I like this. I think somewhere in ten to fifteen

1856
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 5: as what I'd say.

1857
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: Okay, And here's the thing.

1858
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,920
Speaker 5: I think. The thing that's hard about Daniel Jones. And

1859
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 5: I know I'm going to sound like a hater when

1860
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 5: I say this, but I gotta be honest, right, A

1861
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 5: lot of what you are seeing from Daniel Jones, I think,

1862
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 5: at least a lot of what you were seeing from

1863
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones. A lot of it's him and being a

1864
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,639
Speaker 5: good quarterback with good instincts, but a lot of it, Okay,

1865
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:46,080
Speaker 5: a lot of it is Shane styke in. So therefore,

1866
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 5: what happened on Sunday, I thought Shane Stikeen didn't have

1867
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 5: his best day, so therefore his quarterback did not also

1868
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 5: have his best day. So I don't know, and it's

1869
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 5: an impossible thing to quantify, but I think we have

1870
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 5: to acknowledge that that is a that's a reality here.

1871
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 5: There is a fair amount of what you were seeing

1872
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 5: from Daniel Jones is being engineered by saying Styken being

1873
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 5: really good at what he does.

1874
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where Steven I felt like the relationship,

1875
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: and the word I've always used is symbiotic. The symbiotic

1876
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 1: relationship between Daniel Jones and Shane Stikeen. They seem as

1877
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 1: though and they feel like that couple that can finish

1878
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: each other's sentence right, right, And it seemed to me

1879
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 1: like for the first time that cohesiveness between the two

1880
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 1: worked to a detriment, not because they weren't on the

1881
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: same page, but because Stikeen went almost to a fault

1882
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 1: to the loyalty of continuing to push the button to

1883
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: try to get Daniel Jones on track in that game

1884
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and it came at the detriment of

1885
01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 1: involving Jonathan Taylor. Is that a fair statement.

1886
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,680
Speaker 5: I think it's a fair question. Well, actually, do you

1887
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 5: mind if we do a little breaking news.

1888
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: Eddie, if you could, please? Do they break ste Holder?

1889
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 5: So the Cults are placing Ashton Doolan, who we just

1890
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 5: talked about on injured reserves. So for the reasons that

1891
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 5: I just outlined, receiver depth and special teams. Big deal,

1892
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 5: I think a really big deal. So, I mean, if

1893
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,919
Speaker 5: you look at Sunday and really really recent games, generally,

1894
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 5: he's had a huge effect on field position because he

1895
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 5: gets down there, he makes a tackle on a punt

1896
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 5: or a kickoff to pin the other team. And again

1897
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 5: after the eighty Mitchell trade, that puts them one wide

1898
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 5: receiver injury away from being in a really tough spot.

1899
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 5: So you're going to see them have to make a

1900
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:02,679
Speaker 5: wide receiver move too, just for depth. So anyway, get

1901
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 5: that out there.

1902
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: You mentioned, Eddie, somebody that could suddenly be Before we

1903
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 1: get to yours, Eddie Steven, let me ask you this,

1904
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: where do the Colts stand in terms of receiver depth

1905
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 1: on practice squad or internally if you will, Well, I mean.

1906
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:20,679
Speaker 5: They have They have Lakwan Treadwell, who they could They

1907
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 5: have activated him at times this year. I think he

1908
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 5: would be the next guy more than likely. They also,

1909
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 5: you know, the veteran guy who's played a lot and

1910
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 5: can play without much preparation, so they rely on him

1911
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 5: for that. They also have Anthony Gould who you see

1912
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 5: on special teams. He could he could be an option.

1913
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 5: He's more of a slot receiver, I think at least

1914
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,719
Speaker 5: he he looks and feels like more of a slot option.

1915
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 5: But they may be able to find a role for him.

1916
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 5: So those are the two guys I think who immediately

1917
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:54,759
Speaker 5: come into play those.

1918
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,680
Speaker 1: Now, Eddie, you mentioned one that you noticed yesterday right

1919
01:43:57,720 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 1: in the news.

1920
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a guy who was being opts out

1921
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:03,960
Speaker 2: the trade deadline and ultimately the part ways between the

1922
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints and Branda Cooks. Could they possibly kick

1923
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,679
Speaker 2: the tires on adding a veteran like cooks into the rotation.

1924
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 5: Stephen, Well, I mean I could, I could see him

1925
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 5: taking a look at it. I it's a good question.

1926
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 5: I think he is also a little more of a

1927
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 5: slot option, which is not what they necessarily need. But

1928
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 5: he's he's been around and played enough football. I think

1929
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 5: he can play just about anywhere. You know, if he's

1930
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 5: still the same guy at you know, thirty plus years old,

1931
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,720
Speaker 5: either a speed guy or has been a speed guy

1932
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,600
Speaker 5: for much of his career. Probably not. But can he

1933
01:44:41,640 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 5: give you good snaps one hundred percent? I'm sure he could. So,

1934
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,120
Speaker 5: you know, I think you've got to at least consider

1935
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,639
Speaker 5: what your options are there. And I wouldn't be surprised

1936
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 5: that they work out some receivers here the next, you know,

1937
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 5: week or so.

1938
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,040
Speaker 1: Steven I talked about this yesterday, Okay, and I I

1939
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: get confused by this. So you got deaf Con five,

1940
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: deaf Con four, def Con three, two and one.

1941
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 5: I don't know the answer to this. We go ahead.

1942
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: So I believe. I believe. I always thought that the

1943
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: higher the number, the more trouble you're in, right, right,

1944
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Like hurricanes correct? Right, So my is correct, Like a

1945
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,560
Speaker 1: Cat five hurricane is a bad deal. Cat one, You're like, man,

1946
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 1: it's the other way around apparently on this So the

1947
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 1: deaf con one means, uh, you know, break out your

1948
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 1: your fauci mask, right because like the gas is coming. Okay.

1949
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 1: So with that said, this particular, if you look at

1950
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 1: the COLT schedule now with Houston twice, with Jacksonville twice,

1951
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco and Seattle, the the def con in terms

1952
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: of where they are health wise and the footing that

1953
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 1: they have going into these last six games is what

1954
01:45:57,240 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 1: we're at def con? What right now?

1955
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 5: One through five? Right?

1956
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: So what one being holy cow the bus like in

1957
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and half the roster can't make it. What's at

1958
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,880
Speaker 1: five till one? I guess is what there's correct? Correct?

1959
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 5: I would say a three, which I think is you know,

1960
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 5: sit up straight and pay attention because here's why, I mean,

1961
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 5: I don't think we can minimize this this team. It

1962
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,680
Speaker 5: sounds like I'm penalizing them for being good, but I'm not.

1963
01:46:30,120 --> 01:46:33,679
Speaker 5: I'm just saying this team hasn't been on the ropes

1964
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 5: all year, like at all. I mean, they have had

1965
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 5: a charmed season, you know, And I'm not one of

1966
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:43,679
Speaker 5: those people like, oh, they played an easy schedule. I'm

1967
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:47,160
Speaker 5: not saying that. I'm saying they played so great that

1968
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:50,800
Speaker 5: they they weren't having to even play starters in some

1969
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 5: of their fourth quarters. Okay, they certainly haven't lost two

1970
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 5: out of three before they before now, or lost much

1971
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 5: at all, so we haven't seen this team. But it's

1972
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 5: back to the wall at all. This season, there has

1973
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 5: been an entirely happy, go lucky attitude in the entire

1974
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,839
Speaker 5: building because there's been so little stress.

1975
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 1: So do you notice that changing at all? Does the

1976
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,680
Speaker 1: happy go lucky feeling in the building seem to have

1977
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 1: any sort of pucker at all?

1978
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 5: I think this week will tell us. I mean, when

1979
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 5: we get back in the building tomorrow, I will be

1980
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 5: looking for that. I will say that up to this point. No,

1981
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 5: But the Savarius Ward I thought what he said in

1982
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 5: the locker room on Sunday was really appropriate. He said,

1983
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 5: I think we needed this game. He said, we have

1984
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 5: we haven't really been tested. And he's like we needed

1985
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 5: this in terms of like they didn't need to lose,

1986
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 5: but he's like this is a wake up call for us, right,

1987
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 5: you know, like we better get it together. We can't

1988
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 5: afford to kind of sleepwalk through this. And I don't

1989
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 5: think he was sugges and they weren't taking it seriously.

1990
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 5: But I think what he's trying to say is like,

1991
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 5: all right, they have our attention now. And I think

1992
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 5: he was trying to say, look, this is going to

1993
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,720
Speaker 5: be a really big stretch run for us, and we

1994
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,360
Speaker 5: have to be locked in. And I agree with that.

1995
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 5: I totally agree, and I think it's going to be

1996
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:23,160
Speaker 5: a big test and we'll reveal a lot about this team.

1997
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:27,320
Speaker 1: Shaverarius Ward, by the way, Steven I thought, Steven Holder

1998
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:29,679
Speaker 1: is my guest Java House Peel and poor guest. Line

1999
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 1: is where you're hearing him ESPN dot com, where you

2000
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 1: both see his work and then read it as well.

2001
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:39,600
Speaker 1: You see him on ESPN. Stephen. I thought that Shaveriu's

2002
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: Ward was almost surprisingly candid about the severity of his

2003
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,240
Speaker 1: second concussion and the challenges that he had in getting

2004
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:52,679
Speaker 1: himself back out onto the field. And maybe it's because

2005
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,920
Speaker 1: of that that I then, as I was watching him,

2006
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 1: especially late in that game against Kansas City, began to

2007
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 1: wonder whether or not he was in fact compromised in

2008
01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 1: terms of his ability out there. I don't mean long term,

2009
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:08,599
Speaker 1: I just mean in that moment, or was that simply

2010
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 1: a fatigue issue. Is there a concern there?

2011
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,440
Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I mean, he talked about

2012
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 5: the sort of blind side hit that he took and

2013
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 5: he was down for a long time. He said that

2014
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 5: was more of his chest in his sternum, but he

2015
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 5: definitely was I think in that moment he was kind

2016
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:30,320
Speaker 5: of like, am I okay, you know, which I think

2017
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 5: speaks to the fact that he just went through a lot,

2018
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 5: you know. And I think when he got up and

2019
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 5: he got all his faculties together, he realized, Okay, I'm fine,

2020
01:49:39,720 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 5: but I just got you know, the hell knocked out

2021
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 5: of me in my chest, you know. So yeah, I

2022
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 5: think it was fine. I do think the fatigue was

2023
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 5: a problem. It was also the other thing that happened

2024
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:55,799
Speaker 5: there is It's not just fatigue, it's also fatigue against

2025
01:49:55,840 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 5: a quarterback who prolongs every freaking play. So those ninety

2026
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 5: steps probably feel like one hundred and twenty snaps against

2027
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,680
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes. That's the one thing I said this with

2028
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 5: jamb yesterday. We gotta we also got to give this

2029
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 5: guy his due. Patrick Mahomes. He is one of one.

2030
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,559
Speaker 5: You have never seen a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes. I'm

2031
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 5: not saying he's the greatest or not getting into that

2032
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 5: debate that is. That's ice cream flavors, right, you decide

2033
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 5: that on your own. But I will tell you he's

2034
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,440
Speaker 5: the most unique quarterback I've ever seen in my life.

2035
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 5: That guy, when the play breaks down, he's like, Okay,

2036
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,519
Speaker 5: now this is my time.

2037
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a That's what I said. It's when chaos

2038
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 1: is flying around and that's where he's at his best.

2039
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 5: Right, He's like, yes, now I am in my element.

2040
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,480
Speaker 5: It's time to go to work. And you try defending

2041
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:51,479
Speaker 5: those guys with that quarterback running away from your defensive line.

2042
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:53,679
Speaker 5: But those guys did the best they could up front.

2043
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 5: I mean they chased the hell out of him, but

2044
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 5: he is so unfazed by it. It's it's almost fun.

2045
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 5: Need to watch it. It's like, I feel sorry for people. Listen,

2046
01:51:03,320 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 5: anybody who had any illusions that this team was out

2047
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 5: of it. Patrick Mahomes was like, uh, watch this, and

2048
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 5: I'm just telling you he can single handedly change any game,

2049
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 5: any day of the week, under any circumstance period. That's

2050
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 5: the lesson I took away from that game.

2051
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:24,559
Speaker 1: Top five ice cream flavors go Oh.

2052
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 5: My god, So I actually like cookies and cream for

2053
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 5: some reason. I don't know why. I'm not saying it's

2054
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 5: like number one, but you know, listen, you can't. I'm

2055
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:41,719
Speaker 5: forty nine years old. So vanilla, okay?

2056
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 1: Come on?

2057
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:46,439
Speaker 5: Well, I was raised on neopolom and as all my

2058
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:48,680
Speaker 5: dad would ever buy, So I would like scrape all

2059
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 5: the vanilla out and leave the rest for everybody else.

2060
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 5: Let's see, let's see. You know, Rocky Road. That's different

2061
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 5: right than because cream?

2062
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:00,760
Speaker 1: It is?

2063
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 8: It is?

2064
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 5: Okay?

2065
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 1: Do people still buy the square box of ice creamer?

2066
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: Does everybody just buy the round? Ben and Jerry's type tub?

2067
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 5: I haven't seen one in forever, now that you think

2068
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 5: about it, now that I think about it, Yeah, man,

2069
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 5: Briar's Neopolitan. My dad was a creature of habit man.

2070
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:17,880
Speaker 5: He probably still buys it.

2071
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:24,759
Speaker 1: Now, Eddie, what about yours? Sorry, Steve, what about yours? Eddie? Okay?

2072
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 1: Met chocolate chip yep okay? Or like peanut butter okay?

2073
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:30,799
Speaker 5: Here? But vanilla?

2074
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:35,519
Speaker 1: You going vanilla? Also? I like strawberry. I didn't know, Steven,

2075
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:37,680
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, that people actually bought the Neapolitan.

2076
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad. I mean, I'm glad your dad's

2077
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 1: dadd Okay, and somebody anybody else that has somebody ate

2078
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: the strawberry part of it, because it would seem like

2079
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:52,320
Speaker 1: there would just be one big stripe of the strawberry left,

2080
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

2081
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:56,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he likes strawberry and chocolate or something.

2082
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:58,680
Speaker 5: I think that's what was going on there. I was

2083
01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 5: never a chocolate I mean, are either of you a

2084
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 5: chocolate ice cream guy?

2085
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:05,920
Speaker 1: No, it's it's too rich for me.

2086
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:10,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like I just needed freaking snickers, okay, yeah,

2087
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 5: or that's fair. Yeah, So I just I never understood

2088
01:53:15,240 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 5: that it never works for me.

2089
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:18,960
Speaker 1: Are you down with the butter pecan?

2090
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2091
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 1: I will do.

2092
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,720
Speaker 5: But in fact, that was his That was like our

2093
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:25,520
Speaker 5: other option if we if my dad didn't buy neopoulom

2094
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 5: and he bought butter pecan. So the pecan or pecan.

2095
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:33,640
Speaker 5: But anyhow, we can have that conversation later. But I

2096
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 5: because I was also raised on that, it's like, you know,

2097
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:37,519
Speaker 5: nostalgic for me.

2098
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you want Harry met Sally, it's pecan

2099
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 1: pie by the way, So it is pecan Houston. What

2100
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 1: challenges do they present? Other than a stout defense, and

2101
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 1: I guess a piggyback on that, Steven, is this, if

2102
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 1: we're doing sports talk radio in Houston right now, right Eddie,

2103
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 1: do we know the name of the midday show in

2104
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Houston is it's probably something like you know, Bucky and

2105
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 1: the Bowl or something like that, Toro, something like that.

2106
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:06,720
Speaker 1: If you're doing that, are you having the discussion at

2107
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:08,920
Speaker 1: all as to whether or not it's behooved them to

2108
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:12,639
Speaker 1: go back to C J. Stroud? Hmmm?

2109
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 5: No, I mean no. I think frankly, the last couple

2110
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 5: of years he has he has played well in spite

2111
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:27,559
Speaker 5: of a team. I think that was compromise in many ways.

2112
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 5: You know. So no, I give him, I give him

2113
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 5: the benefit of the doubt, but I don't disagree that

2114
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 5: the the optics are bad right Like they certainly found

2115
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 5: something on offense the last few weeks. There's no question

2116
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 5: about that. I'm getting he's gonna get the benefit of

2117
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 5: the doubt. He's the franchise guy. I don't think. I

2118
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 5: don't think you can take that drastic of a move

2119
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 5: based on a small sample size like that, But I

2120
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 5: do think you need to figure out why that happened

2121
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 5: and if you can tap into it with him.

2122
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 1: So before we let you go, Steven, in our quarterback

2123
01:55:03,960 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: redraft game, here the quarterbacks that the Colts so far

2124
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:09,920
Speaker 1: remain to see. I want you to tell me where

2125
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 1: you think that quarterback would get selected in the redraft

2126
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,640
Speaker 1: of all quarterbacks in the NFL by teams randomly drawing

2127
01:55:15,640 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 1: their draft order. C. J. Stroud He's uh. I think

2128
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 1: he's in the in the teams, probably early teens, early

2129
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence.

2130
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 5: M he is middle of the pack somewhere, I mean

2131
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 5: frankly middle of the pack, if not just beyond I

2132
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 5: think probably probably late teens.

2133
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 10: Okay, Sam Donald, Sam Donald Man like I think when

2134
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:54,440
Speaker 10: you look at his performance this year, it's a top

2135
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:55,240
Speaker 10: ten performance.

2136
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,200
Speaker 5: But is he is that who he is? I think

2137
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 5: you have to say, is I guess I had my

2138
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:03,880
Speaker 5: doubt that in the playoff game last year, But I

2139
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 5: think that I think this is him.

2140
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,400
Speaker 1: This is the one that's kind of a tough one.

2141
01:56:07,640 --> 01:56:09,840
Speaker 1: Brock Purty slashed back Jones. I mean, I guess kind

2142
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 1: of the same guy, right m hm.

2143
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 5: So you know I would say, yeah, let's go Brock party.

2144
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 5: I think very interesting. I think Brock Party, there's a

2145
01:56:19,200 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 5: little bit of what's going on with Daniel Jones that

2146
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 5: I said earlier, like paired with the right coach and

2147
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:31,960
Speaker 5: great decision making, et cetera. Man, this is tough. I

2148
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 5: would say rock party, like eleven, twelve, thirteen in that range. Yeah, okay, yeah,

2149
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 5: because like if you put him on another team, it

2150
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 5: doesn't look the same. That's what I think, Eddie.

2151
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:47,720
Speaker 1: Did you happen to figure out the name of the

2152
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 1: Midday shown Houston? The loop? The loop that that makes sense?

2153
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:54,480
Speaker 1: That sounds loopy, doesn't the loop that would be in Chicago,

2154
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 1: doesn't it?

2155
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 5: Oh?

2156
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 1: Sorry? In the loop? In the loop?

2157
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 5: The loop six ten? Right? The loop?

2158
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 1: Yep. Well, every state. I don't know if you know

2159
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:07,320
Speaker 1: this or not, Steven, but any interstate that has a

2160
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:09,640
Speaker 1: four or a six is a loop that has bypassed

2161
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 1: then by the last two numbers. Did you know that?

2162
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 5: Well? That is that is fair? Okay?

2163
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: So the six ten is a loop that is intersected

2164
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:19,280
Speaker 1: by the ten. Right, Hey, y'all six six ten? The

2165
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:20,680
Speaker 1: loop here coming up? We got to take us to

2166
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: give away again. We've got a big concert coming. They

2167
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:26,360
Speaker 1: have a few highways in Houston. I don't know if

2168
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:28,640
Speaker 1: you know Toby Keith is coming up, backed up on

2169
01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 1: a six ten. By the way, speaking of actup, don't parking

2170
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:32,600
Speaker 1: the p one here in our building. We got Pooh

2171
01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 1: floating around. That's actually true here in this building today,

2172
01:57:35,080 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 1: all right, Steven, appreciate the time as always.

2173
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 5: Hey, and if you miss your exit in Houston for

2174
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:44,240
Speaker 5: a highway, just wait another mile. There will be another expressway.

2175
01:57:44,520 --> 01:57:45,040
Speaker 5: You'll be fine.

2176
01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 1: That is exactly correct. It is the largest metro plex,

2177
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:52,440
Speaker 1: just sprawling amongst the fields that you can find anywhere,

2178
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 1: the biggest city that actually has no identity, Houston, Texas.

2179
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:58,000
Speaker 1: Trey Essex by the way, former Colts lineman going to

2180
01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:00,680
Speaker 1: join us other side here acquiring company on the fan.

2181
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm fired up, Eddie, fired up for this weekend. It's

2182
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:08,240
Speaker 1: the I think it's the best weekend in Indy weather

2183
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 1: wise aside. But I mean, you got the Circle of

2184
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:13,400
Speaker 1: Lights downtown, you got the high school football state title,

2185
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 1: you got the Pacers playing, you got Christmas Carol starting

2186
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 1: at IRT. You got obviously the Colts game. Huh, what's

2187
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:23,960
Speaker 1: the IRT? Would be the Indiana Repertory Theater. Oh thanks,

2188
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 1: right around the corner from us. Really, you know, the

2189
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,240
Speaker 1: big thing says theater, and you got the Hilbert Circle Theater,

2190
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:32,560
Speaker 1: and then you got the irt over there.

2191
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 4: You know.

2192
01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 2: I sorry, I couldn't see beyond all the cranes that

2193
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 2: have been downtown for all these years.

2194
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:42,000
Speaker 1: Fixing the steps of the monument circle. Correct, Yeah, joining

2195
01:58:42,120 --> 01:58:44,400
Speaker 1: us now. He is, of course a return guest to

2196
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:48,120
Speaker 1: the program. Former Pittsburgh Steeler, former Colt also and the

2197
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:51,560
Speaker 1: pride of Fort Wayne High School, Paul Harding High School.

2198
01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:54,160
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Trey estis joining us on

2199
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: the program. Trey, how are you?

2200
01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:57,040
Speaker 5: And that's sassic Jake.

2201
01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 4: I appreciate you shouting out my Herding High School, My

2202
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:00,280
Speaker 4: fellow folks.

2203
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 1: You know I'm curious of this. Are you in the

2204
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:05,560
Speaker 1: Harding High School Athletic Hall of Fame?

2205
01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:10,360
Speaker 4: So something unique about my high school. It doesn't exist

2206
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 4: the way it was when I was around. They closed

2207
01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 4: it and opened it up and made it into some

2208
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 4: kind of charter.

2209
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,000
Speaker 5: School associate college.

2210
01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 4: Still has the name Harding, but with that came they're

2211
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:27,600
Speaker 4: purging of all things athletics. So to answer your question,

2212
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 4: there is no Harding Hall of Fame. I mean, no,

2213
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:33,240
Speaker 4: I'm not a part of it, but I am an

2214
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:37,120
Speaker 4: Indiana high School Hall of Famer in football. So I'll

2215
01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 4: take that now.

2216
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,120
Speaker 1: That is impressive, by the way, I mean, honestly, you

2217
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 1: know the I'm looking right here on the Wikipedia page

2218
01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 1: of Paul Harding High School and it lists four prominent alumni.

2219
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 1: You are listed first, by the way, both you know,

2220
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,440
Speaker 1: alphabetically and in the heart of all of those from Harding.

2221
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:55,040
Speaker 1: Would you like to guess the other three?

2222
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,360
Speaker 4: Craig Riley, Jim Masters.

2223
02:00:00,600 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 1: Craig Riley is not that's the former produced center, right, Yeah, okay,

2224
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:07,000
Speaker 1: he is not listed. That's not to say he can

2225
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:08,960
Speaker 1: go there, and he's not saying he's not prominent. He's

2226
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:14,600
Speaker 1: Jim Master, is correct. Nineteen eighty mister I'm sorry, seventy seven,

2227
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:18,760
Speaker 1: mister basketball. I think that's right. Seventy six or seventy seven, right, yeah, no,

2228
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:22,240
Speaker 1: he was at nineteen eighty, mister basketball. Sorry, okay, you

2229
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:22,800
Speaker 1: got two.

2230
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:30,120
Speaker 4: Others, Wat Smith, Yes, sail with Lineman.

2231
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:33,920
Speaker 1: You got it. Nice? Ringing up, ringing up? All right.

2232
02:00:33,960 --> 02:00:35,920
Speaker 1: I want to begin with this and the time that

2233
02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 1: you were in the NFL. Did you have teams that

2234
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: went through and what is the NFL player perspective of

2235
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:48,440
Speaker 1: the Colts are not in a situation tray where it's

2236
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 1: panic time. They've lost two of three after a fabulous start.

2237
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:53,960
Speaker 1: They are still in very good position, but it's starting

2238
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:56,440
Speaker 1: to get real here in terms of their schedule. How

2239
02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,480
Speaker 1: much do players feel that when when media is talking

2240
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:01,800
Speaker 1: about it, fans what about players.

2241
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 4: Well, whenever you get to this part of the year,

2242
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:10,360
Speaker 4: there's always a sense of urgency, especially when you're started

2243
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:11,880
Speaker 4: out so well like the coach have done, and they've

2244
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 4: lost to Granted, I mean they lost to us and

2245
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:17,880
Speaker 4: then they lost to a very good defense in Kansas City,

2246
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:22,640
Speaker 4: so it wasn't like they lost to lesser competition. Although

2247
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 4: I would argue the Pittsburgh Steelers weren't as talented as

2248
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 4: a coach and we got got through that game because

2249
02:01:30,080 --> 02:01:32,160
Speaker 4: of all the turnovers, and I think the coach pretty

2250
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:35,160
Speaker 4: much lost that game. But to answer your question, I

2251
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:38,600
Speaker 4: think players do feel we understand this is when a

2252
02:01:38,640 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 4: lot of times, also you have these players and centius

2253
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:47,040
Speaker 4: coming in, whether they be individual or team related, they

2254
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 4: start to rear their head. Now because you understand I

2255
02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 4: have this many catches, this many yards, as many sacks. Also,

2256
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:55,480
Speaker 4: I get a bonus for making it to the playoffs.

2257
02:01:55,480 --> 02:01:57,720
Speaker 4: I get a bonus for winning so many minor games.

2258
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:00,080
Speaker 4: A lot of this stuff is in people's contracts, a

2259
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 4: lot of being players contracts, and so all that combined

2260
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:05,240
Speaker 4: does add a sense of urgency and a lot more

2261
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 4: pressure as you get down to these last six seven

2262
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:08,520
Speaker 4: games of the season.

2263
02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:09,120
Speaker 6: You know, and.

2264
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 1: When you have guys, can that be a disruption? Trey.

2265
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying with this cold S group, just generically

2266
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:19,440
Speaker 1: speaking in the NFL or as a professional athlete, when

2267
02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:21,720
Speaker 1: you have guys on your roster, your team that you know,

2268
02:02:21,880 --> 02:02:26,360
Speaker 1: have individualized incentives heading in towards the end of the year,

2269
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:29,080
Speaker 1: and maybe you even say to yourself, yeah, but to

2270
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 1: accommodate that gets away from the style we need to

2271
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:34,760
Speaker 1: do or whatever else. Does that ever come into play

2272
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:36,440
Speaker 1: in terms of like a friction.

2273
02:02:37,240 --> 02:02:42,160
Speaker 4: No, no, And usually you don't players know, we're not

2274
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:45,600
Speaker 4: going to switch up our entire offensive scheme or do

2275
02:02:45,960 --> 02:02:49,720
Speaker 4: unless I remember a couple of years ago, hines Ward,

2276
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:51,920
Speaker 4: when I was waking, I say a couple of years ago,

2277
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:54,640
Speaker 4: so like ten fifteen years ago, he had to get

2278
02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:58,760
Speaker 4: one more catch or like nine more yards to get

2279
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:02,040
Speaker 4: to a thousand yards his bonus. And everybody actually wants

2280
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:03,880
Speaker 4: a guy like Heines Wardner's team to get as much

2281
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:06,240
Speaker 4: money you can't. Everybody does for that fact, want you

2282
02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:08,840
Speaker 4: to be able to get your money, but not at

2283
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:11,680
Speaker 4: the expense of scheme, not the expense of doing something

2284
02:03:11,680 --> 02:03:16,080
Speaker 4: out of the ordinary, if the opportunity presents itself. For Hines,

2285
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:18,120
Speaker 4: we did like a little screen pads out to the

2286
02:03:18,160 --> 02:03:20,680
Speaker 4: side to pick up the extra yard a catch. I

2287
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:22,800
Speaker 4: can't remember exactly what it was, and towards the end

2288
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:24,640
Speaker 4: the game, when the game had been pretty much decided.

2289
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:27,920
Speaker 4: So you see teams do that, but not at the

2290
02:03:28,040 --> 02:03:29,040
Speaker 4: expense of the team.

2291
02:03:30,040 --> 02:03:32,200
Speaker 1: Now, Eddie just asked me this question. I don't think

2292
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:34,280
Speaker 1: he's trying to knock on lineman. But as soon as

2293
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:37,120
Speaker 1: you started talking, Eddie Garrison turns off to Michael, looks

2294
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 1: at me and goes, what incentive would like? What bonuses

2295
02:03:40,760 --> 02:03:43,560
Speaker 1: would alignment get? What would it be? Number of snaps?

2296
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 1: Is that what it would be? The fewest number of

2297
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:46,280
Speaker 1: sacks allowed?

2298
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:52,240
Speaker 4: No, because the sacks things are so subjective. What's attributed

2299
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:55,440
Speaker 4: to you is a sack may your coach or your

2300
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:57,880
Speaker 4: stat guy might not attribute to you. If the quarterback

2301
02:03:57,920 --> 02:03:59,760
Speaker 4: goes on to the ball forever and he gets sacked.

2302
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,160
Speaker 4: Even though it's your guy, it may not be attributed

2303
02:04:02,200 --> 02:04:04,680
Speaker 4: to you, So it's hard to really quantify that what's your.

2304
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:05,680
Speaker 5: Fault and what's my else's fuck.

2305
02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:09,000
Speaker 4: But you do get some guys who get a centence

2306
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:13,840
Speaker 4: for percentage of snaps played. Obviously you get in roster

2307
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:16,960
Speaker 4: or in game roster bonuses for every game that you're available,

2308
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:20,080
Speaker 4: but for linement and centers are few and far between.

2309
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:23,080
Speaker 4: We only get the percentage of snaps one and maybe

2310
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:25,680
Speaker 4: like if your team makes the playoffs, or your team

2311
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:28,840
Speaker 4: rushes for so many yards, or you're in the top

2312
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:33,000
Speaker 4: ten rushing as an unit, so some of those are involved.

2313
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 1: But is not a lot number of wristwatches and or

2314
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:38,760
Speaker 1: pieces of jewelry that you received from quarterbacks over the

2315
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 1: course of your career.

2316
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:44,400
Speaker 8: Jewelry or wristwatches, there's always.

2317
02:04:44,200 --> 02:04:46,920
Speaker 1: That, right, There's always these guys like you hear like

2318
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:50,000
Speaker 1: Earl Campbell got rolllexes for every member of his offensive line.

2319
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:50,920
Speaker 1: All that kind of crap.

2320
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:56,000
Speaker 4: No jewelry, not that I recall we did. Big Bend

2321
02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:59,000
Speaker 4: would buy a suits and jackets, stuff that you can

2322
02:04:59,080 --> 02:05:02,000
Speaker 4: actually wear over time. It's out of style now, but

2323
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:05,640
Speaker 4: I still have my overcoat that he got us Alan

2324
02:05:05,720 --> 02:05:07,280
Speaker 4: Fanica at the Hall of Fame guard. I don't know

2325
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:09,160
Speaker 4: if you guys remember him playing for US, played with

2326
02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:12,880
Speaker 4: the Jets, played for the Arizona Cardinals. He got us

2327
02:05:13,160 --> 02:05:15,880
Speaker 4: mac laptops when they first came out, which was pretty cool,

2328
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:19,280
Speaker 4: and then got us this, uh do you remember t

2329
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:23,640
Speaker 4: bow are the old recording thing. He got us one

2330
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:24,720
Speaker 4: of those when they first came out.

2331
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:28,160
Speaker 1: That was like the initial installment of like, yeah, you

2332
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:30,960
Speaker 1: could like rewind your television. It was like groundbreaking, right.

2333
02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 4: Right, it was groundbreaking, it was yeah, And so he

2334
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,920
Speaker 4: got us it was a whole separate device he had

2335
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:38,640
Speaker 4: to hook up to your TV. Really aging myself right now.

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Speaker 5: Dang TVO. But yeah, we got cool little.

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Speaker 8: Nick Nackson gifts for Christmas.

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Speaker 4: We got some Tiffany stemware glass wear from the Rooney's

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Speaker 4: one time, So no jewelry perstde, but other stuff that

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Speaker 4: was pretty valuable.

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Speaker 1: I thought, you said, do you remember Tebow? And I

2342
02:05:54,360 --> 02:05:56,040
Speaker 1: was thinking, yeah, that's the mania that we all want

2343
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:57,640
Speaker 1: to just go back an erace, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: like rewinding erasing. Yeah, what is your thought on tree?

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Speaker 1: Estis is my guest Java House Peel and poor guest line,

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02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:09,680
Speaker 1: the Colts themselves, and Daniel Jones. You know you have

2347
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:12,760
Speaker 1: watched this game. When I say this game, I mean

2348
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:15,920
Speaker 1: the NFL from a far more you know, intellectual eye

2349
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:19,200
Speaker 1: than myself of knowing kind of in the trenches, maybe

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Speaker 1: even being able to tell when a quarterback is uncomfortable

2351
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:25,920
Speaker 1: or I'm regressing, I'll say, for lack of a better phrase,

2352
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Speaker 1: what has been your overall assessment of the quarterbacking play

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Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones. Let's say, in the last handful of

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Speaker 1: games versus the beginning or first month of the year.

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Speaker 4: If JT isn't running the ball well, he struggles when

2356
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:44,080
Speaker 4: the ball, when the game is on his back and

2357
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:47,440
Speaker 4: he has to be the one to dictec thing dictate things.

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Speaker 5: Offensively, he struggles.

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Speaker 4: If the defense takes away his first look. He can scramble,

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02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:55,920
Speaker 4: he can he can extend plays and often he will

2361
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 4: find some guys, but naturally going through progressions and making

2362
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:03,240
Speaker 4: play and throws on time, he struggles. And so I

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02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:06,720
Speaker 4: think we exposed that two weeks ago, and I think

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Speaker 4: Kansas City took some of the framework that we used

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Speaker 4: defensively and applied it to their game.

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Speaker 5: You got to stop Jason.

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Speaker 4: If you stop him at limitster office tremendously. And I

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Speaker 4: don't know if Daniel Jones is the quarterback that's capable

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Speaker 4: overcoming a lack of a run game.

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Speaker 1: Did you see that at the beginning of the year

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Speaker 1: or has it only been almost of late where for example,

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Speaker 1: the team you used to play for, the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 1: the pressure that they put on him. Did that expose

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Speaker 1: Jones a little bit or open up a blueprint? Or

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Speaker 1: is that simply Pittsburgh finally finding out defensively who they are.

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh is doctor Jell mister High and they were whoever

2377
02:07:45,480 --> 02:07:48,720
Speaker 4: the good version of one of those, is it mister High.

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02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:51,320
Speaker 4: That's a good person. They were that versus the Coats.

2379
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:53,960
Speaker 4: But they've been doctor Jeko every other week. So they

2380
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:55,680
Speaker 4: just happened to have a good game and the right

2381
02:07:55,720 --> 02:07:58,560
Speaker 4: game plan. The fluster Daniel Jones, they did some things.

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Speaker 4: The number one thing that I'm before they stopped Jat,

2383
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:06,400
Speaker 4: they stopped Jonathasayling. Once you do that, you really increase

2384
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:09,360
Speaker 4: your successes as a defense. And that's not just against

2385
02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:11,760
Speaker 4: Danny Jones, that's against anybody you stopped the run game,

2386
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Speaker 4: but especially a team like any that's so dependent on

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02:08:15,080 --> 02:08:17,960
Speaker 4: their running game. In that offensive line, Daniel Jones has

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02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:22,160
Speaker 4: done a great job of distributing the ball. He's made

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Speaker 4: Alex Peers into a legit. I think number one, number

2390
02:08:25,160 --> 02:08:27,520
Speaker 4: two receiver doing that d ball well. I think he's

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02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:29,400
Speaker 4: doing a lot of great things in that offense. But

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02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:33,360
Speaker 4: the year you're seeing that defensive start to pick up

2393
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:35,600
Speaker 4: on the fact that if you get him off his

2394
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:39,360
Speaker 4: first read, he's going to struggle. If you put the

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02:08:39,400 --> 02:08:42,640
Speaker 4: game on his back, he's going to struggle. Pittsburgh did

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Speaker 4: that tremendously and Kansas City had success doing that as well.

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Speaker 4: He didn't turn the ball over versus Kansas City, at

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02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:50,720
Speaker 4: least he didn't have a fumble to the Effidian through

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02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:57,280
Speaker 4: any interceptions, but they stopped what Vohnteo had eighteen carriage

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02:08:57,320 --> 02:09:00,320
Speaker 4: for forty five yards, and Daniel Jones wasn't really able

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02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:02,760
Speaker 4: to be efficient in that past game. Kansas City is

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02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:06,240
Speaker 4: a really good defense, top five Russian defense, top eight

2403
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:10,120
Speaker 4: or top four scoring defense, top eight overall. So I

2404
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:12,480
Speaker 4: mean they did a really good job and I think

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02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:15,640
Speaker 4: that is the blueprint moving forward. I don't think Daniel

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Speaker 4: Jones is a game breaker He's a game manager. He

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02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:20,800
Speaker 4: does it well, and I think Stichen has done a

2408
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:22,720
Speaker 4: good job of put him him in very for two

2409
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:24,600
Speaker 4: of the situations as far as where to.

2410
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:26,240
Speaker 5: Go with the ball and scheming guys open.

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02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:28,520
Speaker 4: Do you think those teams aren't working tray?

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Speaker 1: Are those things that you're pointing out? You know? Are

2413
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:33,400
Speaker 1: these things do you think that have just recently been

2414
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:36,520
Speaker 1: exposed and discovered? Or are these things that you think

2415
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:39,480
Speaker 1: most in the NFL knew about Daniel Jones and it's

2416
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:41,000
Speaker 1: just now starting to show itself.

2417
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:44,080
Speaker 5: I think this is what they know about him.

2418
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:48,600
Speaker 4: I think the NFL has figured Daniel Jones out. I

2419
02:09:48,680 --> 02:09:53,000
Speaker 4: think I do think he's a talented quarterback and he's

2420
02:09:53,040 --> 02:09:55,720
Speaker 4: a safe option for the Coast, especially when you look

2421
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:59,280
Speaker 4: at what Anthony Richard was for them being an inconsistent

2422
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:02,880
Speaker 4: quarterback then his inconsistent thrower and turn the ball over.

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Speaker 5: The way he did.

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02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:07,640
Speaker 4: But Daniel Jones is not a secret. I mean, he's

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02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 4: been the league for now five six years. He has

2426
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:12,920
Speaker 4: developed some habits that are going to be hard to

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02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:15,600
Speaker 4: break at this point in his career. Even with what

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02:10:15,720 --> 02:10:18,960
Speaker 4: Shane Steigen has been able to do to kind of

2429
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:23,320
Speaker 4: exposed not exposed but highlight his strengths. And I think

2430
02:10:23,320 --> 02:10:24,480
Speaker 4: he's done a great job with that.

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02:10:25,200 --> 02:10:28,880
Speaker 1: But he is who he is at Trey Day seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: That's tr Ai Trey Day seventy nine. Also the snap

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Speaker 1: count show Trey Essex joining us on the program Trey

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Speaker 1: in Conclusion and this one, I'm gonna put myself out

2435
02:10:40,040 --> 02:10:41,760
Speaker 1: on a limb here because I have a feeling that

2436
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask a question that I'm going to

2437
02:10:43,320 --> 02:10:47,400
Speaker 1: immediately slap myself and go, yeah, dude, how did you

2438
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:50,320
Speaker 1: not know this? Who exactly was Paul Harding?

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02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:54,040
Speaker 5: Dude, I don't know who Paul hart End is.

2440
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know at first. I was like, wait a minute,

2441
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:58,320
Speaker 1: is he like a governor that I didn't know about?

2442
02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:00,560
Speaker 1: Or like the Pride of Fort Wayne? Is there? I

2443
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:02,480
Speaker 1: remember one time I asked somebody. I'm like, yeah, A

2444
02:11:02,480 --> 02:11:04,200
Speaker 1: buddy of mine went to Jmu. I go, now, who

2445
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:06,240
Speaker 1: is James Madison. He's like the president. I'm like, oh

2446
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:07,920
Speaker 1: my gosh, of course, how did I not think that?

2447
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:10,600
Speaker 1: So so there's not an obvious answer on who Paul

2448
02:11:10,600 --> 02:11:12,000
Speaker 1: Harding is. We're going to guess that he was like

2449
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:13,200
Speaker 1: a school board member.

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02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:17,960
Speaker 4: Right, I guess, dude, I've never actually thought about that.

2451
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:19,880
Speaker 4: That is, I got to look that up. And this

2452
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:23,760
Speaker 4: is shame that I've never even pose that question to myself.

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02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:28,280
Speaker 1: Welcome to the world of my neurotic insomnia tree. These

2454
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 1: are the things that came me awake at night.

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02:11:32,160 --> 02:11:33,920
Speaker 4: I'm looking it up. Here is some kind of well,

2456
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:34,680
Speaker 4: that's not our poet.

2457
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:36,360
Speaker 1: There's an author. Yeah, I looked it up. There's some

2458
02:11:36,440 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 1: author that wrote a book in twenty ten. I'm like, go,

2459
02:11:38,280 --> 02:11:39,080
Speaker 1: that's not it.

2460
02:11:39,200 --> 02:11:40,720
Speaker 5: Right, that's definitely not him.

2461
02:11:40,840 --> 02:11:43,320
Speaker 1: No, yeah, all right, that's your assignment until we talk

2462
02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:45,240
Speaker 1: to you next time. Find out who Paul Harding is.

2463
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:47,320
Speaker 5: I'll have it for you, I promise, all.

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02:11:47,240 --> 02:11:50,480
Speaker 1: Right, appreciate it. Trey Aestics joining us on the program.

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02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:52,040
Speaker 1: We have tickets to give away, do we not, Eddie?

2466
02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:55,760
Speaker 1: That is for the Big ten fan fest. We're going

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02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:56,800
Speaker 1: to do that in what fashion?

2468
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:57,360
Speaker 5: Color? Number?

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02:11:57,400 --> 02:12:00,000
Speaker 1: What text line? Oh, text line line, tax line? Text line?

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02:12:00,200 --> 02:12:03,360
Speaker 1: All right, two nine ten seventy is the telephone number.

2471
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:05,160
Speaker 1: All you got to do is tell me this the

2472
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:07,360
Speaker 1: first one that can answer in and let me know this.

2473
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:10,840
Speaker 1: Trey asseis played collegiately where if you know that if

2474
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:13,480
Speaker 1: you know where Trey Asseks played collegiately. It is a

2475
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,560
Speaker 1: school in the Big Ten. Then you are on your

2476
02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:17,640
Speaker 1: way to the Big Ten fan Fest, which is going

2477
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:21,720
Speaker 1: to be part of, of course, the fabulous next weekend,

2478
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:24,720
Speaker 1: the fabulous Big Ten Football Championship and the fan fest

2479
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Speaker 1: that takes place with you know, they got bands there,

2480
02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:29,680
Speaker 1: they got the BTN there, they got trophies on display,

2481
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:31,600
Speaker 1: all of it. It is awesome, and we have tickets

2482
02:12:31,640 --> 02:12:33,280
Speaker 1: to give away. We will do that. If you know

2483
02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:34,960
Speaker 1: the answer, send it to the text line at two

2484
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:38,920
Speaker 1: through nine ten seventy Great song Man, Great song. One

2485
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:40,720
Speaker 1: of the highlights of my winter last year was seeing

2486
02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:45,160
Speaker 1: this band at the High five and just playing this song.

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02:12:45,200 --> 02:12:47,320
Speaker 1: They did like about a ten minute version of this song.

2488
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:50,720
Speaker 1: It was awesome. JMV has arrived. John. I asked a

2489
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:53,240
Speaker 1: question on Twitter earlier that is custom made for you.

2490
02:12:53,320 --> 02:12:57,640
Speaker 1: I think, what do you think is Molly Ringwold's signature movie?

2491
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:02,880
Speaker 1: To me, it's sixteen Candles. I think it's personal preference, right.

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02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:05,760
Speaker 7: I think most would probably say Breakfast Club, because you know,

2493
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:08,520
Speaker 7: they think that that has that you know, teen angst

2494
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:11,720
Speaker 7: deeply rooted more than just kind of a see a

2495
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:13,320
Speaker 7: fun movie.

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02:13:13,080 --> 02:13:16,560
Speaker 1: Right, heart of me wonders if it's not. I actually

2497
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:18,920
Speaker 1: think maybe. And it's the only sort that I've not

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02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:23,560
Speaker 1: seen Pretty in Pink, I mean sixteen candles. It's hard

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02:13:23,600 --> 02:13:27,880
Speaker 1: to argue that. Yeah, But at the same time, you know,

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02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:29,880
Speaker 1: there are two other characters that kind of steal the

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02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:31,920
Speaker 1: movie as well, right, I mean, obviously Anthony Michael Hall

2502
02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:33,480
Speaker 1: is in it too, but you know, Jake Ryan has

2503
02:13:33,480 --> 02:13:36,160
Speaker 1: become such a pop cultural thing. And then obviously you

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02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:39,760
Speaker 1: know Long Duck is great.

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Speaker 7: I think that it's the essential girl sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 1: That's fair film, that's fair. Thus, that's why I would

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02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:50,680
Speaker 1: agree with that one. Yeah, Pretty in Pink, and I've

2508
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:54,000
Speaker 1: not seen pretty impink who was in that with her? Well,

2509
02:13:54,720 --> 02:13:57,720
Speaker 1: because she seemed to be just the only starr Andrew McCarthy.

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02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:02,640
Speaker 1: James Spader courses ask did you see the Andrew McCarthy

2511
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:05,240
Speaker 1: documentary where he goes back and kind of runs down.

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02:14:06,080 --> 02:14:08,200
Speaker 1: I've heard stuff about it. The thing that's weird about

2513
02:14:08,240 --> 02:14:10,040
Speaker 1: it is you kind of get the impression it's kind

2514
02:14:10,040 --> 02:14:12,440
Speaker 1: of sad because Andrew McCarthy in this documentary he goes

2515
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:15,320
Speaker 1: back and you know, he catches up with Molly Ringwall

2516
02:14:15,400 --> 02:14:18,520
Speaker 1: and he catches up with notable Emelia Steveez. I can't

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02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:21,720
Speaker 1: remember if Anthony Michael Hall or not, but all of

2518
02:14:21,720 --> 02:14:23,720
Speaker 1: them you could tell, are kind of like, yeah, man,

2519
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:26,560
Speaker 1: I've moved on from that that was. And like Andrew McCarthy,

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02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:28,800
Speaker 1: it's almost like he was holding on to Hey, look,

2521
02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, let's get the band back together type.

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02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:34,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you better hold on to it because that's

2523
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:36,760
Speaker 7: your most memorable. And I've said this before about my

2524
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:40,160
Speaker 7: meeting with Pauli Shore at Twin Peaks. He was at

2525
02:14:40,160 --> 02:14:42,920
Speaker 7: the bar. I was doing a show there. I didn't

2526
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:44,360
Speaker 7: know he was there. He just came out of the

2527
02:14:44,360 --> 02:14:45,840
Speaker 7: blue and said, hey, you want me to join you?

2528
02:14:46,280 --> 02:14:47,800
Speaker 7: And it was Pauli Shore. He was sitting at the

2529
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:50,760
Speaker 7: bar Castleton, Twin Peaks. So I said, yeah. He came

2530
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:52,840
Speaker 7: over and sat down. I go, hey, man, I said,

2531
02:14:53,120 --> 02:14:54,320
Speaker 7: I want to I want to talk a little bit

2532
02:14:54,360 --> 02:14:56,320
Speaker 7: about and see. No man, he goes, oh, you know,

2533
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:58,520
Speaker 7: there's nothing new. I don't know if I want to

2534
02:14:58,560 --> 02:14:59,960
Speaker 7: go over there. I talk about that all the time.

2535
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 7: And I went, all right, so what are we.

2536
02:15:02,120 --> 02:15:02,800
Speaker 1: Going to talk about?

2537
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:03,000
Speaker 3: Then?

2538
02:15:03,720 --> 02:15:04,880
Speaker 1: What the hell else is there?

2539
02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:08,800
Speaker 7: I mean, that's whatever, right, I mean, I embrace those

2540
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:13,200
Speaker 7: that understand what is so meaningful to you that you

2541
02:15:13,240 --> 02:15:15,960
Speaker 7: bring it up every stink in time Because it's meaningful

2542
02:15:16,040 --> 02:15:16,400
Speaker 7: to you.

2543
02:15:16,520 --> 02:15:18,960
Speaker 1: Right, That's why, And that you're right.

2544
02:15:19,080 --> 02:15:23,240
Speaker 7: That that stuff drives me nuts because nobody gives two

2545
02:15:23,240 --> 02:15:25,680
Speaker 7: craps about your new stuff. But they do care about

2546
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:28,400
Speaker 7: Uncino man. They do care about, you know, your relationship

2547
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Speaker 7: with Sam Kinnison. They care about your days on MTV,

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02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:34,920
Speaker 7: the language that you kind of developed for that particular

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Speaker 7: era that everybody was taking on board. They care about that.

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Speaker 1: They don't care about this other crab right now, John,

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02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:41,920
Speaker 1: you know as well as I in nineteen ninety, you know,

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Speaker 1: like Mike Rosen comes to mind, I went to high school.

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Speaker 1: I mean there was a whole culture of guys that

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Speaker 1: were walking around like hey, Budy, Oh yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: the wholes and the juice. Yeah, I mean the whole

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Speaker 1: the juice, wheeze, the juice, the whole poly sure thing.

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Speaker 1: What's lined up on the big program today?

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Speaker 7: Seth Payne, the former defensive the lineman the Texans does

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Speaker 7: the Believe Network podcast.

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Speaker 1: He's going to join us.

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Speaker 7: I do want to find out what is actually real

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Speaker 7: about Houston, yea and what we've just kind of seen

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Speaker 7: in Spurts.

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Speaker 1: If this is real? Does this feel like the culture

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Speaker 1: of two teams with two totally different In other words,

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Speaker 1: it feels like the Texans it's starting to come together

2567
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Speaker 1: for him a little bit, and the Colts it's starting

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02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:23,800
Speaker 1: to get away a little bit. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that only doubt.

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Speaker 7: It just seems like that the one team too, if

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02:16:27,880 --> 02:16:30,360
Speaker 7: you count Jacksonville kind of in gear right now and

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Speaker 7: the Cults are maybe facing a little bit to the

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Speaker 7: other direction. So and you know you have the opportunity.

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Speaker 7: You get two must wins coming back to back. You

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Speaker 7: cannot drop really either one of these games, and that

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02:16:38,959 --> 02:16:41,360
Speaker 7: means you're gonna have to win in Jacksonville two coming

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02:16:41,440 --> 02:16:43,880
Speaker 7: up the week after this. So you put yourself in

2578
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Speaker 7: a position to where you had. There's a reason you

2579
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:49,160
Speaker 7: get out in front of everything and you give yourself

2580
02:16:49,720 --> 02:16:53,360
Speaker 7: the space. But now it's shrinking. You've got to do

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Speaker 7: something about it, and you got to prove to everybody

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Speaker 7: that you're legit.

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Speaker 1: Eddie, did you happen to get a winner for our

2584
02:16:58,959 --> 02:17:00,360
Speaker 1: big ten fan fest tickets?

2585
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Speaker 2: Yeah, since we have so many, I give away a couple.

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02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:05,959
Speaker 2: We've got John and Brady two winners for today.

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Speaker 1: John Brady, former coach LSU Final four. They knew that

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Speaker 1: Trey Essex, by the way, Northwestern Northwestern is where he

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Speaker 1: went to college. All right, John's up next. He will

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Speaker 1: bring you home until six pm today, correct, you got it, Bundy,

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Speaker 1: six o'clock and we will be back with you at

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Speaker 1: noon tomorrow. Thanks again, Scott Agnes, thanks to Stephen Holder,

2593
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Speaker 1: thanks to Trey Essex, and thanks to all of you

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Speaker 1: for listening to Query and Company. We will be back

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02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:33,200
Speaker 1: with you at noon tomorrow. Here on ninety three five

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Speaker 1: and one of seventy five.

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Speaker 5: The Thing