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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. So the Supreme Court is hearing

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Speaker 2: we agree with your claim. We have to let you

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Speaker 2: The law is a whole different things. Tony Kats Tony

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Speaker 2: Justice Amy Cony Barrett is speaking. A woman named Kelsey Corkoran,

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Speaker 2: also speaking in favor of those legal immigrants claiming asylum.

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Speaker 5: So anybody at the water's edge of the Rio Grande

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Speaker 3: Now the border is halfway through the water, all.

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Speaker 5: So somebody who's at the fence has arrived in. Let

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about Americans. A question we have to answer

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Speaker 2: What's being said and what does it mean? Because in

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Speaker 2: a propaganda war, we're the ones who fall for This

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Speaker 2: is Tony Kats today. So President Trump sends ICE to

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Speaker 2: the airports, and the next thing you know, everything's better.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Stuart, it is exponentially different here today than it

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Speaker 2: People have Yes, Fox News, it's because it was a

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Speaker 2: You have the people doing the job. That's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Cats that I forget sometimes if I

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Speaker 2: He's taking the very safe agency that has been bursting

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Speaker 7: To people that may not have been following as closely,

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Speaker 2: Can you explain that? Yeah, it's very simple.

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Speaker 8: There's been a massive fight over ICE, which is in

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Speaker 2: Well, what this President of the.

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Speaker 8: Republicans position is, Okay, if you don't want to fund ICE,

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Speaker 2: So you unders he's lying from the quick. Republicans have

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Speaker 2: It's a lie. And they believe it's a winner, and

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Speaker 2: So I go back to whether or not having ice

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Speaker 2: Senator John Kennedy. He is making the argument that enough

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Speaker 2: Lemon does. Senator John Kennedy is saying, why in the

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Speaker 2: through reconciliation. So the plan A was to reopen the government,

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Speaker 2: then use reconciliation to fund ICE. Reconciliation is a budget process.

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Speaker 2: close debate before a vote. Rather, you only need some

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Speaker 2: that's all you need. That's all you need. What Kennedy

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Speaker 2: why don't we just put the whole thing through reconciliation?

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Speaker 2: They're not anywhere connected to us. They're in the minors.

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Speaker 2: That is Democratic Senator Brian Shatz out of Hawaii. I object.

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Speaker 2: And what you are about to witness is the moment

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Speaker 2: where they realize he left. He said, I object to

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Speaker 2: the idea of senators not getting paid, because if these

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Speaker 2: government workers aren't getting paid, watching senators be paid. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he objected, and then left. Check out the confusion because

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Speaker 2: Banks is like said, there's an objection. He looks over

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Speaker 2: and shots is gone. It's like, what's going on here?

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Speaker 11: Okay, are taking break?

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Speaker 2: That silence is no one knowing what to do with respect?

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Speaker 9: Is I want to give my sonator, my colleague shots

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Speaker 9: more times? Is he he objected and left the chamber?

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Speaker 2: Would he?

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Speaker 9: Is he coming back?

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Speaker 10: Just want?

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Speaker 9: Just want?

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Speaker 8: I mean?

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Speaker 2: Is he is he?

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Speaker 12: Is?

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Speaker 9: He? Is he him?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 2: One knows. That's the Democratic Party. Why do I even

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Speaker 2: have to stand up and make my case? I object?

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Speaker 2: The senators want to get paid. They don't care if

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Speaker 2: anybody else gets paid. They don't care how long you

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Speaker 2: are in line. And if you actually do something to

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Speaker 2: fix the lines, I say, how dare you fix the lines?

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Speaker 2: Republicans are going to lose to these people. Republicans are

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Speaker 2: going to lose to these progressives in the midterms. This

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Speaker 2: is their messaging. Good Lord, good lord. Meanwhile, the Iran question, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've got a few, keep it here. This is Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today. According to The Wall Street Journal, the Iran

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Speaker 2: the Iranians might be worried that talks with Trump could

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Speaker 2: be a trap. I need Admiral Acbar at that moment.

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Speaker 2: Maybe would I believe any talks?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: And do I believe talks are happening? Not? Really, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe it. Tony Kats Tony Katz today. Good

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Speaker 2: to be with you. Who in the world could we

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Speaker 2: possibly be talking to. When Trump says the talks with

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Speaker 2: the Iranians are going well, when Israel says there may

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Speaker 2: be a deal that comes together that works for everybody,

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Speaker 2: with whom are you making a deal? Now? There is

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Speaker 2: the head of the Iranian parliament who was the mayor

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Speaker 2: of Tehran back in two thousand and five, and he

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Speaker 2: was with the IRGC before that as a commander or

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Speaker 2: just after that as a commander. His name is Khloboff

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Speaker 2: Qa l Ibaf. Maybe they're negotiating with him, but this

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Speaker 2: guy's a part of the IRGC. You can't be negotiating

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Speaker 2: with the IRGC and expect that there's going to be

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Speaker 2: a deal that could be trusted. That's crazy town. No,

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Speaker 2: you cannot believe such a thing. But one of the

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Speaker 2: things that we know is that this is a war

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Speaker 2: of propaganda. The United States, along with Israel, wants to

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Speaker 2: keep the Iranians caussing. The Iranians want to keep the

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Speaker 2: American left and the woke right pushing against Trump and Israel.

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Speaker 2: All warfare is deception, that's sun sou. But is there

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Speaker 2: any question that Iram to the extent that any leadership

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Speaker 2: exists wants to ensure it is activating their useful idiots

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Speaker 2: in the United States to press against Trump, to press

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Speaker 2: against Conservatives, to press against anything that would involve destroying

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Speaker 2: the regime. The answers, of course not it's exactly what

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Speaker 2: they're doing. So when Iran says there's no conversation happening,

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Speaker 2: We're not having any conversations with Donald Trump, it's a lot.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe them for a second. Then you have

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Speaker 2: the news that direct talks between the US and Iran

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Speaker 2: on ending the war could be held in Islamabad as

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Speaker 2: early as this week. Reuters reported this There are intermedia

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Speaker 2: intermediaries including Egypt, Pakistan and several Gulf states that have

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Speaker 2: been relating messages between Washington and Tehran, and Iranian media

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Speaker 2: reported that Pejikian Peeshkian sorry he is the president of

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Speaker 2: Iran and the Pakistani Prime Minister discuss us the war's

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Speaker 2: impact on regional and global security. Do I believe that

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Speaker 2: whit coop is going to have this meeting and with

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Speaker 2: cough could have a meeting, but I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's a meeting that is guaranteed to end the fighting,

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Speaker 2: because ending the fighting has to mean something. And for

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Speaker 2: the record, just for the second clarity, I have no

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Speaker 2: problem with ending the fighting. It's not my issue. If

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Speaker 2: we're ending the fighting before the regime is gone, I

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Speaker 2: don't know why we were there, I know, and talking

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it's all going to be over. But

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Speaker 2: I said, but I want to be clear, I'm totally

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Speaker 2: fine with leaving, but the regime has to be gone

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Speaker 2: otherwise what do we do. But now we're just talking

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Speaker 2: about the possibility of talking. It doesn't mean we are.

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Speaker 2: And what matters is what we are. It's like Trump's saying,

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Speaker 2: the Iranians have two days, so we're going to bomb

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Speaker 2: their big power facilities. Well, we've had such good conversations,

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Speaker 2: I've decided to give it five days. Give them a

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Speaker 2: five day reprieve. Was he bombing anything? Was he planning

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Speaker 2: on bombing anything? This is where the propaganda comes in.

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Speaker 2: And of course Trump is doing this. I have discussed this.

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Speaker 2: The Pentagon is very very good at the misdirect and

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Speaker 2: a lot of what they're doing is clearly misdirect and

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Speaker 2: we may find as we sit here, there is a

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Speaker 2: new bombing raid going on of these power facilities in Iran,

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Speaker 2: because the objective was to throw them off here, try

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Speaker 2: and misdirector do the other thing. They do have strategy.

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Speaker 2: All I can tell you is that I don't believe

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Speaker 2: any of it. I'm not trying to be rude. I'm

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Speaker 2: not trying to be dismissive. It's just don't tell me

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Speaker 2: what people say, tell me what people do. Especially in

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Speaker 2: this case.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Cavis, Why Ball, Heartbyer and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today. I do not know Andrew Colvin,

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Speaker 2: a producer for the late Charlie Kirk. I don't know

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Speaker 2: the man. I've never met the man. I've never had

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Speaker 2: a conversation with the men, to be honest. Until Charlie's assassination,

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Speaker 2: I don't think i'd ever seen a picture of him.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, I'm not in that orbitten.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's neither here nor there. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, guys,

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to be with you. Find everything I do

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00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: over at Tony kats dot com and go be a

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Speaker 2: part of it the podcast. Wherever it is you get

548
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: your podcasts, Just look for Tony Kats Today and subscribe

549
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: Andrew Covid is making a a heck of an allegation,

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00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: and the allegation is that there were indeed text messages

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Speaker 2: between Charlie Kirk and Joe Kent. Joe Kent was the

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Speaker 2: guy running National counter terrorism and he resigns last week

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Speaker 2: in this big flourish and I can't be a part

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Speaker 2: of this and I can't abide by this war and

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Speaker 2: this is all Israel's fault. Eighteen days later he decides

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Speaker 2: to resign, not eighteen hours later, not eighteen minutes later,

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Speaker 2: eighteen days later. That's a guy who wanted to make

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Speaker 2: sure that his money was going to be okay, his

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Speaker 2: reputation was going to be able to have some bulstery

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Speaker 2: something no one waits eighteen days. You mean if the

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Speaker 2: word got on five days, you would have been okay

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Speaker 2: with it, Joe Kent. It's not for me to understand,

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Speaker 2: and it's remain a notice because if I try to

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Speaker 2: understand it, my head will explode. I can't And you

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00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: have come out on so many sides of things. This

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Speaker 2: is wrong, and this is obscene, and Trump's being led

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Speaker 2: by the Israelis, and then the other day it was

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Speaker 2: I hope Trump does this and does that and wins

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Speaker 2: this thing. Dude, I can't. I can't follow your letter.

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Speaker 2: I support the values and the foreign policies that you

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Speaker 2: campaigned on in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Until June of twenty twenty five, you understood that the

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Speaker 2: wars of the Middle East were a trap that robbed

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Speaker 2: america precious lives and our patriots and depleted the wealth

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Speaker 2: and prosperity of our nation. Then you talk about the

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Speaker 2: echo chamber and the tactics the Israelis used to draw

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Speaker 2: us into this disastrous Iraq war that cost us our nation,

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Speaker 2: cost our nations, the lives of thousands and our best

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Speaker 2: men and women. It's it's it's a pretty ugly letter.

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Speaker 2: It's this, but he sees himself as Joe Kents as

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Speaker 2: pious again eighteen days eighteen days now. We learned after

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Speaker 2: that that he is under federal investigation for sharing classified information.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell me about his eleven tours and his Green

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Speaker 2: Beret and all the rest he shared classified information. I

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Speaker 2: wanted the book thrown at Biden and former Vice President

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Speaker 2: Mike Pence for having classified information, at least in the

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Speaker 2: case of Vice President Pence. He realized he had a

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Speaker 2: box with some classified information and he stopped what he

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Speaker 2: was doing. He called the FDI of the Secret Service

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Speaker 2: and said, here it is. It wasn't true about his

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Speaker 2: garag like Joe Biden hiding in an office in Boston

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Speaker 2: at his house there in Delaware where people were coming

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Speaker 2: in and out, and the Secret Service kept no logs.

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Speaker 2: That was always precious. They never kept a log, they

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Speaker 2: never they never even saved the information. We're not allowed

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Speaker 2: to know who visited Joe Biden in Delaware. Fantastic. So

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Speaker 2: you've got this investigation going on about the sharing of

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Speaker 2: classified information. This brings us back to Andrew Covid again.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the man. I have absolutely nothing against

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Speaker 2: the man Zerra. But what he is saying in a

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Speaker 2: clip that he put out yesterday, what he is saying

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Speaker 2: is that the information that Candace Owens utilized was actually

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Speaker 2: from this guy, Joe Kent. How in the world did

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Speaker 2: she get this information. It's because Joe Kent took text

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Speaker 2: messages he had with Charlie Kirk and shared them with

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Speaker 2: Candace Owens. That's the argument being made here. And this

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Speaker 2: is without a question, very very very ugly there's a

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Speaker 2: lot to this, So I wanted to take a moment.

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Speaker 2: Now you're asking me, Tony, does this matter? Is this

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Speaker 2: really the news story you want to you want to

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Speaker 2: go after, give me a give me a moment to explain.

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Speaker 2: The answer right now is yes. I have actually shared

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Speaker 2: before there was a story that was out in the

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Speaker 2: UH in one of the radio trades about whether or

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Speaker 2: not radio hosts should be talking about these these people

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Speaker 2: the podcast world, online characters, et cetera. And someone I know,

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Speaker 2: like and trust was like, no, no, my audience isn't

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Speaker 2: really interested in that, and I disagreed. And my argument

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Speaker 2: was that part of our job is to share with

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Speaker 2: an audience what's happening. I I never believe my job

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Speaker 2: is to tell you what to think. I do believe

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Speaker 2: my job is to give you something to think about.

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Speaker 2: And certainly I do think that part of the job

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Speaker 2: is sharing what's happening in places outside of regular news,

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing that your kids, your grandkids, your nieces,

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Speaker 2: your nephews, coworkers they are getting. You should have an

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Speaker 2: idea of what that is. In the case here, because

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Speaker 2: certainly we're talking about war, and we're talking about people

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Speaker 2: going on their anti Israel and anti Trump and anti

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Speaker 2: American approaches. Certainly I can argue that Tucker Carlson is

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Speaker 2: anything but America. First, what matters here is where people

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Speaker 2: are connected, connections you can't even begin to imagine, and

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Speaker 2: what people are willing to do with that connection, what

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Speaker 2: they're willing to do in the furtherance of their own

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Speaker 2: career or their furtherance of a message. Why, it is

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Speaker 2: imperative that even amongst people you know like in trust

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Speaker 2: and I'll utilize myself as example number one example A.

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Speaker 2: Of course you want to check, double check, and recheck.

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Speaker 2: Everything I bring you is something that I theorize, I

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Speaker 2: believe in, I try to bring back up to and

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Speaker 2: I bring the data to. Of course I can be wrong.

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00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: What kind of crazy person doesn't think they could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: It is up to you to check, double check, and recheck.

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Speaker 2: So when this guy Joe Kent is out there and

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Speaker 2: people are buying into yeah, Israel this, and yeah what's

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Speaker 2: America doing? Oh, Trump's locked his mind? And this is

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Speaker 2: the guy we now trust, A guy who took private

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Speaker 2: text messages and shared them with someone who wasn't a

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Speaker 2: part of it. I think that matters because it also

650
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Speaker 2: should lead us for those that on the political right.

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Speaker 2: I know lots of other people listen to the show,

652
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Speaker 2: and you could argue for you as well, to be

653
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Speaker 2: looking at what it is we allow and what is

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Speaker 2: that we say no to. Where is our standard and

655
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Speaker 2: whether or not we apply it. I think we should.

656
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Speaker 2: And you say to me, well, that's great, Tony, but

657
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Speaker 2: the other side has no standard, And I say to you, ah,

658
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Speaker 2: I get it. I absolutely get it. So way, if

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Speaker 2: I was asked, I would tell them they should stop

660
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Speaker 2: doing that because it isn't there's something else, and that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I get why you did some things, and you kept

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Speaker 2: things going while you were figuring things out in the

663
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Speaker 2: horror of his assassination. I don't think you're being rude

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Speaker 2: by saying, okay, this show has a new name because

665
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Speaker 2: it is something different, and here's how we dedicate ourselves,

666
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Speaker 2: and here's how we focus ourselves. It's my take. Neither

667
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Speaker 2: here nor there. This is Andrew Colvitt.

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Speaker 12: Eventually, Joe did message me and suggest that I make

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Speaker 12: those screen grabs public. I declined because those were shared privately.

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Speaker 12: I didn't want to be reckless with them in the public.

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Speaker 12: There could be innocent people on that group chat that

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Speaker 12: would then be harmed.

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Speaker 2: So I declined. But then fast.

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Speaker 12: Forward another week or two and they were made public.

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Speaker 12: So that's what I know is that Joe suggested that

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Speaker 12: they be made public. I declined, Then they were made public.

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Speaker 12: Can I categorically say that he leaked them.

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Speaker 2: No, But those are the facts.

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Speaker 12: Maybe somebody on his team, maybe they got passed around,

680
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Speaker 12: maybe somebody else leaked them.

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Speaker 13: But that's those are the facts of the matter, and

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Speaker 13: that's what I know. Yeah, Now, good on him for

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Speaker 13: covering himself. And let's make sure we're saying it the

684
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Speaker 13: way he did. Text messages got leaked. Other people were

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Speaker 13: on a group chat. He is not one hundred percent

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Speaker 13: sure that Joe Kent did it. One can make an

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Speaker 13: inference and leave.

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Speaker 2: It at that. Let the conversation continue. And the reason

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Speaker 2: we're bringing this.

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Speaker 12: Up obviously, with his departure from the administration, there's a

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Speaker 12: lot of debate over what it means.

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Speaker 2: People have been.

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Speaker 12: Arguing, was he a leaker people some people have suggested

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Speaker 12: that he might be a criminal, he should be indicted.

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Speaker 2: We're not saying that, but this has come up, and.

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Speaker 12: Well, and my name's getting tossed around with this as

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Speaker 12: if I did something untoward. No, I don't regret any

698
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Speaker 12: of it. I regret that they were leaked. I was

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Speaker 12: told that I could trust him. I told that it

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Speaker 12: was it was private and it would be guarded, just

701
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Speaker 12: to look into any possible leads. And by the way,

702
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Speaker 12: we did that with a bunch of different things, because

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Speaker 12: we want the truth to come out, so we're not

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Speaker 12: blocking anything. We don't even care if the answer is

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Speaker 12: something that is really, really terrible.

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Speaker 2: Okay. We want the truth, we want justice, and we believe.

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Speaker 12: That Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk. We believe that they

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Speaker 12: got their guy. We have additional questions, but guess what

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Speaker 12: that it was an egregious breach. Whoever shared that screen

710
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Speaker 12: grab publicly? It was an egregious breach, and obviously we're

711
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Speaker 12: not happy about it. But can't put it back together again,

712
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 12: can't put the paste back in the tube, as they say.

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Speaker 2: When when I started in the movements, if you will,

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Speaker 2: I had a real belief that everybody was in it

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Speaker 2: for the same purpose. Better country, Better country rise and

716
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Speaker 2: tide lifts all boats. There's madness a foot in policy,

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Speaker 2: and we can do better. What I learned over time

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Speaker 2: is that maybe some people started out that way. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people said, I kind of think this way,

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Speaker 2: but if there's an opportunity for me, that's what I'm

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Speaker 2: really in for. I'm in to build my opportunities. And

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Speaker 2: when they got an opportunity, when they had a chance

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Speaker 2: to grow, they very quickly dropped anybody who was quote

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Speaker 2: unquote left behind. They were in the business for themselves.

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Speaker 2: And that is as a concept, is nothing new, although

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Speaker 2: maybe it was new to me. Maybe it was just

727
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Speaker 2: a level of naivete that has held true and still

728
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Speaker 2: holds true. That the people that are getting celebrated not

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Speaker 2: say that. Take that back, I won't say celebrated. They

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Speaker 2: seem to have large audiences online, seem to be the

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Speaker 2: kind of people that whatever will give them some leg up,

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Speaker 2: regardless of what it does to someone else, regardless of

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Speaker 2: what it means to their own soul. That's fine, that's fine,

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Speaker 2: let's go do that. Nah, I don't have any respect

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Speaker 2: to that. Leaking Charlie Kirk's private messages to Candace Ellens

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Speaker 2: and Candace Owens would in any way utilize them or

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Speaker 2: reference it or anything else. You can't explain to me

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Speaker 2: in a way that will makes sense why Candace owns

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Speaker 2: to this date has a large audience, or Megan or Tucker.

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Speaker 2: I could say that about one hundred people. I guess,

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Speaker 2: what is the moment when someone shows you that they're

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Speaker 2: no longer worth your time? At what moments do we

743
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Speaker 2: say these people are no longer worth our time? At

744
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Speaker 2: what moment do we say that's not going to work

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Speaker 2: for us. That's the story here. Not everyone's perfect, and

746
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Speaker 2: I don't need altruism. I don't need to be the

747
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Speaker 2: most famous guy on the yard. Someone else is allowed

748
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Speaker 2: to be more famous than many people are not famous.

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Speaker 2: But doesn't there come a moment where we look at

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Speaker 2: these people and say, Okay, we get it. You're so

751
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Speaker 2: desperate to ensure that twenty five year olds are watching

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Speaker 2: you that you'll do anything and say anything. We're not

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Speaker 2: interested in this, and don't they say, my god, these

754
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Speaker 2: people will do anything to get me to watch. I'm

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Speaker 2: not interested. The authenticity doesn't exist. So I believe we

756
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Speaker 2: need to bring this up because we're not having this conversation,

757
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Speaker 2: and we're not having this conversation with our kids, grandkids, cousins,

758
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Speaker 2: nieces and nephews, friends, they're going to watch these people

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Speaker 2: and believe them and think that everything that's coming their

760
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: way comes from a place of pure heart. When you're

761
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Speaker 2: sharing private text messages, that's not pure heart, that's pure

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Speaker 2: something else. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 10: Tell us do our military leaders have.

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Speaker 14: The constitution and it's incumbent on our military leaders to

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Speaker 14: follow only lawful orders. And just to be crystal clear,

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Speaker 14: bombing civilian power infrastructure is a war crime. We decry

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Speaker 14: the Russians for doing this in Ukraine. Whenever they attack

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Speaker 14: Ukrainian civilian power infrastructure, we.

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Speaker 10: Always say it's a war crime.

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Speaker 14: And so it's a war crime for the United States

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Speaker 14: to take out civilian power infrastructure in Iran.

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Speaker 2: What makes you think it's just civilian? Representative Malton four

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Speaker 2: tours in Iraq? Do you not understand how wars are won?

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Speaker 2: And the answer is no, you do not. Well, Tony,

775
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: you never served. Who are you to say I understand

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Speaker 2: that when you're talking about the Iranian regime, nothing is

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Speaker 2: for the people. Could we all please just grow the

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Speaker 2: hell up for thirty seconds? So all I ask, it's

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Speaker 2: a simple ask that maybe a piece of pound cake

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats Tony Katz today and you know what, I'll

781
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: take the pound cake first. Please find everything at tonycats

782
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Speaker 2: dot com. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to hear this kind

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Speaker 2: of conversation. Four tours in Iraq. Your problem, sir, is

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Speaker 2: that you don't understand winning. You don't understand the enemy.

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Speaker 2: Nothing is for the people. When we talk about Russia

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Speaker 2: and in the invasion of Ukraine, we're talking about an

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Speaker 2: invading force. All of it is a crime. When we

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Speaker 2: talk about taking out a terrorist regime working on nuclear

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Speaker 2: weapons and definitively had missiles that could read Diego Garcia,

790
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Speaker 2: really US assets or at least the whole of Europe.

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Speaker 2: When they said they don't everyone said, oh, they don't know,

792
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Speaker 2: they're ever gonna do it. Oh why are you saying this?

793
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: And oh those war mongering Israelis and Americans. We were

794
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Speaker 2: right and they were wrong, and possibly you were wrong,

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Speaker 2: Senator Representative Moulton, Lord forbid, Senator Moulton. Your problemise you

796
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Speaker 2: don't know how to win. You barely know how to fight.

797
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Speaker 2: Four tours you did, sir. It's important that our military

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Speaker 2: knows not to follow illegal orders. There is nothing illegal

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Speaker 2: about the order. There is something horrifyingly offensive and inhumane

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Speaker 2: about taking hit after hit from a terrorist organization and

801
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Speaker 2: not fighting back, never mind, just remarkably stupid. I get it.

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Speaker 2: We're different people, we are different, but these guys will

803
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Speaker 2: accept anything, They'll take any punch every day. They're willing

804
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: to get punched in the face. And they are Kevin

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Speaker 2: Bacon in Animal House. Thank you, sir. Can I have

806
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Speaker 2: another Holy crap? I don't want to give these people

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Speaker 2: another term. I sure as hell don't want to give

808
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Speaker 2: these people power in the midterms. How is it possible

809
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Speaker 2: that Republicans are going to lose to that guy they're trying,

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Speaker 2: although I'll dig into that later this week. Three more

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Speaker 2: things that's coming up. Keep it here. This is Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz Today. Find everything at Tony kats dot com. Three

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Speaker 2: more things Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today, Good to be

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Speaker 2: with you. Three things that should be headlines, or it

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Speaker 2: should be at least in your news feeds, But with

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Speaker 2: everything going on, I do not know if it's gonna

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Speaker 2: get there. Find everything I do, by the way, at

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Speaker 2: tonykats dot com. It was the story out of Axios

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Speaker 2: about how Democratic candidates for president. We're going to lean

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Speaker 2: into their childhood traumas in order to get elected. This

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Speaker 2: was the plan. It was about, Hey, here's what happened

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Speaker 2: to me. Hey, here's a story of my life. Oh

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Speaker 2: poor me, And somehow that makes me a better candidate. Shapiro,

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Speaker 2: who has a book, Why We Keep the Light, talks

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Speaker 2: about he had a happy childhood and it points an

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Speaker 2: unhappy childhood home. Oh you mean like everybody? You mean

827
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Speaker 2: like everybody? Right, So how his mother could be unstable

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Speaker 2: and his siblings believe that if we were good, we

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Speaker 2: could stop the chaos and the yelling. And he writes

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Speaker 2: that it explains why I always sought to solve problems.

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Speaker 2: I had to anticipate a problem or a pain point

832
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Speaker 2: before there was a blow up. You're not different, sir,

833
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Speaker 2: than millions and millions and millions and millions and millions

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Speaker 2: and million into Americans. The conversation here, whether we're talking

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Speaker 2: about Shapiro Gavin Newsom, Wright Spirit is the governor of Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom is the disgusting governor of California. I'll explain

837
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Speaker 2: why in a minute, but you already know the answer.

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Speaker 2: And then, of course you've got jab Pritzker, who's the

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Speaker 2: governor of Illinois, and they all want to talk about

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Speaker 2: this this thing that happened to them. Well, first, that's

841
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Speaker 2: good storytelling. Here's this thing that happened to me, and

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Speaker 2: now here's how I overcame it, unless, of course, you

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Speaker 2: never overcame the thing, And that is the problem with

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Speaker 2: society in a nutshell. You know, I talk about this

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Speaker 2: book tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, and I'm not familiar

846
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Speaker 2: in terms of being friendly with Gabrielle Zevin, the author, right,

847
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Speaker 2: I don't know her. But in this book, the line

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Speaker 2: that was told to me was, you know, about these

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Speaker 2: characters and talking about the things that they've dealt with,

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Speaker 2: and how people make these things that they've dealt with

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Speaker 2: their story. And the line is, how do you overcome

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Speaker 2: your trauma when it's the most interesting thing about you.

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Speaker 2: That is so much of a problem with society as

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Speaker 2: a whole, specifically liberalism, where everything is about the trauma,

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Speaker 2: It is about how I identify. You don't know what it's

856
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Speaker 2: like to be me. You have to you have to

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Speaker 2: indulge me and all of my insanities. It's you know, pronouns,

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Speaker 2: for example, we have to pretend that men are women

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Speaker 2: and because of this trauma and to who I am

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Speaker 2: on the inside, and dear Lord, I picked just one example,

861
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: and there are hundreds that we could go through. If

862
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: you and I were sitting together on barstool, have it

863
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: a bourbon. Wallowing in your trauma is not the mark

864
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: of the man. How you overcame it, found its place

865
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: and moved on with your life is Wallowing in trauma

866
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: is what children do. Adults move forward. And yet we

867
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: see what liberalism does. It talks about the trauma, the trauma,

868
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: the trauma, the trauma, the trauma. We all had crap parents,

869
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: and some of them were great crap parents, but we

870
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 2: all at least had a moment where everything was crap,

871
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: where the bad thing happened. Now, if by some chance

872
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 2: you didn't, well, wow, you're super rare. Everybody else lived

873
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: a normal life. The question is what did you do next?

874
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 2: For some people it happened to no time. For some

875
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 2: people it took a great amount of time. I talk

876
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: about my own life, I talk about the depression, I

877
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 2: talk about being suicidal, and I follow it up. I

878
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 2: was my twenties were a mess. I wasted a whole

879
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: damn decade of my life, an entire decade. The only

880
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: thing I did that was even remotely worthwhile is that

881
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: I got married. And why she did it, I don't know,

882
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: but I'm glad because it's still going strong. Saved my life,

883
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: that woman. But it is true. It's the only thing

884
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 2: in my twenties that I did remotely correct. Everything else

885
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 2: was a mess. There are parts of my twenties I

886
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: don't remember. It was a fog, it was a haze,

887
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: it was a depression. Was it was day after day

888
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: and I don't know how long this lasted. Of saying,

889
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: how could I do this without my wife just walking

890
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: in on me? What is the note that I leave?

891
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: What is the positioning? That happened a lot? But I've

892
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 2: never not by the way I tell the story, because

893
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: people go through these things. And there's the National Suicide

894
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: Prevention Hotline that you can call. I never made that call,

895
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: but if you need to, Yeah, of course you should.

896
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: Of course you should. Nine to eight eight is the

897
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: number they use. Now that's just you know, nine eight

898
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: eight nine eight eight lifeline dot org. Go right ahead,

899
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: You're worth it. But I always follow up the conversation.

900
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to give a short trip to it.

901
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 2: I always followed that conversation with it got better, and

902
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: I believe that it can. And I worked through it.

903
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: I swear to you. I went to I went to

904
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: a therapist once. Actually I take them back, I went

905
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: to a therapist twice, not a psychiatrist. Whenever my wife's

906
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: insurance covered and went and had this conversation. I did

907
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: it last twenty minutes, I don't recall. And then I

908
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: went back and the guy literally said why are you here?

909
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, I know I'm not okay,

910
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: but I'm clearly not crazy now. The truth is I've

911
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: always said this. I should have gone to somebody else.

912
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: I think I would have been able to move through

913
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: it faster. I moved through very slowly for me, and

914
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: that was a problem only because I think I could

915
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: have helped myself more. I truly believe that, and therefore

916
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: I could have been much easier for other people to

917
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: have dealt with.

918
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 15: It.

919
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: Was not easy. I was not an easy guy. Some

920
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: people could argue I'm not an easy guy now, but

921
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 2: I am a peach compared to back then. But the

922
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: point is I found its place for it. I overcame.

923
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: I don't forget that it happened. It's just not the

924
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: thing that I lead with. It is not the most

925
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: interesting thing about me. It is a part of my

926
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: life that happened. I found its place, and I moved

927
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 2: on with my day. And that's just it. That's the

928
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: mark I swear to you. The older I am, the

929
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: more that I think that Marcus Aurelius has a real point.

930
01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: There's a serious value in stoicism, which is not about

931
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: the ignoring of a feeling or a thought, but rather

932
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: a recognition of how one handles and deals with that.

933
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: And certainly people who are engaged in soicism can disagree

934
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: with me on more finer points. Responsibility, the ability to

935
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: handle your own emotions. These are the things that make

936
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: the man. And I get that. I might not be

937
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 2: speaking to how women see it as much as men

938
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: see it, but I gotta take them my point of view.

939
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a Shapiro and Newsome and Pritzker here,

940
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: so you know, allegedly there are all men. See what

941
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: I did there that was just rude, And so that's

942
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: the way I approach the subject. But to wallow in

943
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 2: it and to say this is the most important thing

944
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: about me, or oh, woe is me? That's the worst

945
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: stuff in the world you can do. That is the demon,

946
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: and that's what we see time in again and again

947
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: and again. Oh I've been traumatized, honey, We've all been traumatized,

948
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 2: all of us. Maybe it was like me and I

949
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: don't even get into some of the things that that

950
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 2: set me in this direction. Although depression comes from the inside,

951
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,959
Speaker 2: I truly believe it was about me. It really wasn't

952
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 2: about the outside things. And having to come to grips

953
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: with that and understand that was hugely important. But we've

954
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 2: all been through the crap and we all need to

955
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: figure out a way to overcome and not make it

956
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: the thing that dominates our damn lives. So I wonder

957
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: now whether or not these candidates really do see this

958
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: idea of their trauma as their lead or is it

959
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 2: the overcoming that is, because all good stories have a trauma,

960
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: then how you overcome it, how you persevere? Right, very

961
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: few stories are about here's the trauma and how you

962
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: succumb to it. Well, I mean happy stories at least,

963
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 2: stories of uplift, stories of strength, stories of leadership, capacity

964
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: and capability, which is what we want, are Democrats actually

965
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: able to muster that kind of thing to reach Americans

966
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 2: where they are. I do not believe so. No, no,

967
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 2: where the American left is, the American left is in

968
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: the place of ms now and nonsense analysts. Mali Jong Fast,

969
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 2: a leftist, talking about how Trump is attacking poor Gavin

970
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: Newsom with a low IQ person.

971
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 11: You know, because Gavin Newscomb has admitted that he is

972
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 11: that he has learning disabilities.

973
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 15: Honestly, I'm all for people with learning disabilities.

974
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: But not for my president.

975
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 16: I don't want I think a president should not have

976
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 16: a learning disability.

977
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 2: Is okay?

978
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 17: Vice President Trump last week suggesting that California Governor Gavin

979
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 17: Newsom is not qualified to be president because he has dyslexia.

980
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 17: This really touched a nerve for a lot of people,

981
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 17: really upset about these comments in the cavalier way, frankly

982
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 17: that Trump delivered them all. You are one of those

983
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 17: people bothered by this, and you wrote about it in

984
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 17: a new piece for The New York Times headlined dyslexics

985
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 17: are too smart for Trump.

986
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: Explain what you mean? I do I have to listen

987
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 2: to her. I mean, I'm the one who brought her up.

988
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: My youngest is dyslexic. Do I think this is the

989
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: kind of thing Trump says, This is reminiscent of John McCain.

990
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: All right, I don't like my heroes when they're captured.

991
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 2: What is new? They could say anything about Trump they want.

992
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: It's fine. Trump says, Yeah, a ridiculous thing, and it's

993
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: the end of civilization. And look how weepy they will become.

994
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 18: So, yes, I'm dyslexic, and actually, oddly I don't think

995
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 18: about it all that much. But as many as twenty

996
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 18: percent of Americans are dyslexic, which is.

997
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: A huge number.

998
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 18: I mean that those people vote, and they're related to voters.

999
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 18: But you look, it's Trump insult comic comic who's not

1000
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 18: very funny. You know, he loves to disparage his opponents.

1001
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 18: He'll say, you know, he has all sorts of nicknames.

1002
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 18: And I think it's interesting that he went after Newsome

1003
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 18: for this because it's just a very you know, it's

1004
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 18: interesting because he looks very presidential, I think in his

1005
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 18: in Trump's sort of you know, remember Trump is all

1006
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 18: about central casting, and so here's a sort of handsome ish,

1007
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 18: tallish fellow who looks presidential in a way.

1008
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 2: What is the world. I thought this was about insulting

1009
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: people who were dyslexic, But no, this is about Trump

1010
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 2: being jealous that Gavin Newsom is handsome ish. So it's

1011
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: not about some commentary about dyslexia and learning disabilities. Although

1012
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: I would argue at first I didn't even know that

1013
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 2: gavinism was dyslexic. I would just say, based on his policies,

1014
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: he's got far bigger learning disabilities. That would have been

1015
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: my argument, like, for example, and this is story number three.

1016
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 2: His whole conversation regarding what he said, was it apartheid

1017
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: state Israel? And now is he trying to walk it back?

1018
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: Do you consider yourself Zionist? Do I consider myself Zionist?

1019
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,839
Speaker 2: I believe I revere the state of Israel.

1020
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,919
Speaker 16: I'm proud this is for the State of Israel. I deeply,

1021
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 16: deeply oppose maybe not in that Yaho's leadership, his opposition

1022
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 16: to the two state solution, and deeply oppose how he

1023
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 16: is indulging the far right as it relates to what's

1024
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 16: going on in the West.

1025
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: Bast you called Israel in apartheid state, you called it

1026
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 2: an apartheid state, and now you're talking about revering Israel.

1027
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 2: First of all, I didn't know it, asked for reverence,

1028
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 2: what a weird thing, and then when asked about it,

1029
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,679
Speaker 2: using the word apartheid to describe I used it.

1030
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 19: I do in this context that I said it, and

1031
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 19: I referenced why I used it a Tom Friedman article

1032
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 19: in that same sense, where Tom used it in the

1033
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 19: context of the direction that BB is.

1034
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 2: Going not the concerned correct and sure, sure, Jan see

1035
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 2: when you won't stick to your guns. All right, maybe

1036
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 2: it's not a mental disorder, but it is weakness. If

1037
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: you hate it Israel, if you think it's apartheid state,

1038
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 2: say so, say so. It's not, by the way, not

1039
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 2: by any stretch of the imagination. It's laughable ignorance, which

1040
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 2: is what you get from gavenusom Oh and Tom Friedman.

1041
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 2: His day is done for sure. Three things I thought

1042
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: you should know. This is Tony kats today, the video

1043
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 2: out of LaGuardia with this Air Canada Express plane and

1044
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 2: hitting the fire truck. You've seen it by now. I

1045
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't share it on the live shape. It's just it's

1046
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: horrifying to watch. But the more I'm reading, I don't

1047
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: know if I'm the only person who is confused here

1048
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good to be here, Good

1049
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: to be with you. Was the truck in the wrong

1050
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: or was the plane in the wrong? Or really was

1051
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: this air traffic control in the wrong? Two pilots were killed.

1052
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 2: The truck is crossing the runway and the fire truck

1053
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 2: is kind of coming to the left, and here comes

1054
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: the plane. And did the plane not see the truck

1055
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: the truck not see the plane? They were given both

1056
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 2: given clearance and they shohm in clearance? And who was

1057
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 2: telling whom to stop? Where, when and why? This is

1058
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff that we should all take a

1059
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 2: breath and ask ourselves what exactly happened. Let's make sure

1060
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 2: we have the story, and then we got to get

1061
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 2: into serious demands. These are not mistakes that are acceptable.

1062
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 2: Whether the truck should have been told to hold, whether

1063
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: the plane should have been put on another runway, that

1064
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 2: it's not acceptable. You can tell me that there's human error.

1065
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: It's a big, big runway. This should have been avoided,

1066
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 2: and we should start with that this should have been avoided.

1067
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: And people need to be held to accounts, including the secuary, transportation,

1068
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: including those who worked at the airport, including those who

1069
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: came before, and whether or not we've got air traffic

1070
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: controllers who are either aren't qualified or too tired because

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Speaker 2: we don't have enough of them. Whatever the case may be,

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Speaker 2: this should not have happened. We need answers, and we

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Speaker 2: need to make sure it doesn't happen again. We need

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Speaker 2: answers and soon. Tony kats today.

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Speaker 1: Lie from vall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: So I think it is very very acceptable to say

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Speaker 2: that when the President says that he's been speaking with

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Speaker 2: the Iranians, it's all right to ask, well, who are

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01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 2: you talking with? Because well, the Iranians say that they're

1081
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 2: not talking, but the Iranians lie about everything. They could

1082
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: just be engaged in a propaganda war because they don't

1083
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Speaker 2: want their people to know that they're negotiating with the

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01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: Great Satan. Then again, maybe Donald Trump isn't speaking with anybody.

1085
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 2: And when the US and the Israelis say that they're

1086
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: coming up with a plan that could end this war soon,

1087
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 2: maybe it is to calm the oil markets. One thing

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01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: I can say about this administration is that they are

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01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,480
Speaker 2: not afraid of the propaganda. They're not afraid of the misdirection.

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Speaker 2: But if a conversation's happening, with whom is it happening

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Speaker 2: Because there doesn't seem to be anybody in charge yet

1092
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: the bombs still drop from Rand kidding tel Aviv injuring six,

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony kats today, Good to be here, Good

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Speaker 2: to be with you. Major Mike Lyons joins me right now,

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Speaker 2: retired United States Army military analyst works with West Points.

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Speaker 2: And I think that this has taken a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: you know, the people who hate Trump and hate all

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01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: this and think that we're destined to lose and nothing

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01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 2: can be an Iran and we're just terrible. You know,

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: people like Senator Chris Murphy and others. They'll take any

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Speaker 2: moment to disparage President Trump, and so I pay no

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Speaker 2: attention to them. But for the rest of us who

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Speaker 2: are looking at this objectively, who in the world is

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Speaker 2: the president or the administration speaking to when we have

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01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: killed the leadership. You've got moj Batah Kahmani, who in

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 2: some kind of mental of not physical distress, the son

1107
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: who was allegedly going to take over as the new Iatola,

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01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 2: who nobody has seen basically they're being run by Iotola

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01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 2: auto Pen Who in the world are we negotiating with

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Speaker 2: as you see it.

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Speaker 20: So it's been reported that's the head of parliament right

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01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,759
Speaker 20: now in Iran, But the IRGC is running everything right now.

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01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 10: They have to be.

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Speaker 20: This is you know, they've been running the regime for

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01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 20: forty seven years and this is kind of a classic Stalinist,

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01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 20: you know, Communist Marxism type of organization that they're actually running,

1117
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 20: and it's cloaked in this Islamic fanaticism. Frankly, I think

1118
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 20: the you know we are you know, anybody who's alive

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01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 20: right now in Iran is a relive for a reason.

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Speaker 20: I think we've talked about regime compliance before because it's

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 20: going to be difficult to change the whole regime. Ala Johnny,

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01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 20: the guy that was killed last week was maybe the

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Speaker 20: last one they thought was going to be compliant, and

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Speaker 20: he decided to get out on the internet and say

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Speaker 20: that he wasn't going to be and then next thing

1126
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 20: you know, he's dead. So you know they're going down

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Speaker 20: the list of israel Is well inside their intel community.

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Speaker 10: But I still think this war is going to go.

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01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 20: On for weeks, a lot longer than a lot of

1130
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 20: people think it's not over any time soon. The President

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01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 20: is trying to assuage the markets and say it's going

1132
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 20: to be over soon. But I think that, you know,

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01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 20: he's extended these deadlines.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 20: He went from a very dangerous forty eight hours that

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01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 20: would have been it last night to now five days

1137
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,560
Speaker 20: from now, which, oh, by the way, is when the

1138
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Speaker 20: Jaysock package arrives from Fort Bragg, and the Marines will

1139
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 20: also be on station.

1140
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Speaker 2: Really quickly describe the Jaysock package to everybody.

1141
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 20: Yeah, so it looks, you know, from reports and from

1142
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 20: what's what's been seen on manifests, seventy fifth Rangers, Delta

1143
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 20: and the fifth Special Forces Group looks like they're on

1144
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 20: planes and they're heading to the Middle East. The eighty

1145
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 20: second Airborne there as well, probably twenty five hundred to

1146
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 20: three thousand troops to go along with twenty five hundred

1147
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 20: that already exists in the Marines. There we had about

1148
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 20: that many in Syria that was there under no authorization

1149
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 20: of use of military force. I mean, I was surprised

1150
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 20: when that happened. You know, well after we were out

1151
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 20: of Iraq in the late let's say, you know, twenty seventeen,

1152
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 20: twenty eighteen. So again I've always said we're likely going

1153
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 20: to put some troops inside of Iran at some point,

1154
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 20: not large formations, not the first Armored Division, not three

1155
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 20: hundred main battle tanks, but the president in order to

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01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 20: get what I'm calling a.

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01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 10: Visual signal victory. It's part of his visible leverage.

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01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 20: Policy is he's going to have to show all Americans

1159
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 20: that we're winning or we have one and the only

1160
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 20: way to do that, frankly, is put US flags planted

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Speaker 20: somewhere inside of Iran.

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Speaker 2: Now, JAYSOK, we should be clear stands for Joint Special

1163
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 2: Operations Command talking to major my clients retired United States

1164
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 2: Army military analyst. Before we get into the possibility of

1165
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: some level of troops on the ground, whether that be

1166
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: carg Islands or elsewhere. We know the USS Tripoli is

1167
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 2: now there, while the gerald Ford has been pulled out

1168
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: because of a fire on board that has headed out

1169
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 2: to create for repairs. We go back to this idea

1170
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Speaker 2: of who they're talking to, and you bring up the

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01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 2: idea of regime compliance. Regime compliance means that there's still

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Speaker 2: some level of the regime in control and in power,

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01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: which says to the Iranian people. Hey, you know all

1174
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: that talk about you rising up and as Benjamin Attanyahu,

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01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:31,240
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister of Israel said, creating the conditions so

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01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: you can control your own destiny and take back your

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01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: power that doesn't exist. That's all just mouthpiece nonsense here.

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Speaker 2: So how does regime compliance get President Trump to be

1179
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 2: able to turn to the American people, never mind the

1180
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: world community, and say success, told you just that easy.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I think it's going to have to be done

1182
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 20: in pockets. With ninety million people spread across a very

1183
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 20: large country, Aaron is going to have to build itself

1184
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 20: up in small areas, small regions as well. The bus

1185
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 20: siege that the civilian army in Iran think like kind

1186
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 20: of like a homeland security plus the local police force

1187
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 20: that organization has to turn on the IRGC, who has

1188
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 20: their thumb and fingerprints everywhere and their shadows everywhere.

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Speaker 10: That if that happens, then perhaps.

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Speaker 20: You'll get you'll get some level of compliance inside some

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01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 20: of the small little cities until it finally gets into

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01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 20: Tehran because we don't want a civil war, We don't

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01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 20: want necessarily that to happen. But I but I do

1194
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 20: think that you know, with the regime compliance. We've seen

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01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 20: it happen in the past. You know, it's happened in Venezuela.

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01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 20: Fundamentally we took out the main guy, but that regime

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Speaker 20: is still in place, and we've seen it in places

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Speaker 20: like Northern Ireland, for example.

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Speaker 10: So so again it's it's possible if you look at history.

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Speaker 20: You know, the Iranians, though the IRGC is a special

1201
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 20: kind of fanaticism when it comes to what they're doing,

1202
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 20: and it might be a lot more difficult, which which

1203
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 20: just means it's going to take a little bit long longer.

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01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: And I'm also somebody who looks at Venezuela and says,

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01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 2: you can't tell me that Delcia Rodriguez is all of

1206
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: a sudden turned into the good guy when she's as

1207
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 2: much of a hardliner and certainly brought into Maduro's nonsense,

1208
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 2: the Hugo Shavez nonsense as Nicholas Maduro. And so you

1209
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 2: still don't have what you could have there, although life

1210
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 2: has greatly improved as opposed to Iran where the text

1211
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: messages go out, if you protest, we will kill you.

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01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 2: That is what the IRGC is sending. So now we

1213
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 2: get back to the idea of how the US is

1214
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: maneuvering the USS Tripoli. You have other amphibious warships heading

1215
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: to the area. Four thousand marines, I'm going to go

1216
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 2: out on a limb, having no military expertise whatsoever, but

1217
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 2: having the ability to read a book. Four thousand marines

1218
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: could take Carg Island in about seventeen and a half minutes,

1219
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 2: and fifteen of those minutes would be like, hey, look cool,

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01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 2: we're on Carg Island. That doesn't seem like a massive

1221
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 2: undert taking for the Marines and for the assets they

1222
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 2: would have around the island. This is where the oil

1223
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 2: is for the Iranians and where it comes in and

1224
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: out and gives them their hard currency. Is that step

1225
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 2: number one.

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Speaker 20: I think that would be a very difficult mission for

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01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 20: the Marines. I think that there's a lot of things

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01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 20: that could go wrong that would be a D Day

1229
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 20: kind of invasion. I think we've hit some of the

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01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 20: military targets there, but there's dug in resources I'm sure

1231
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 20: inside of Carg Island again, IRGC elements that are there,

1232
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 20: and we have to do everything in this in this

1233
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 20: world under zero casualty operation. I think it'd be very,

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01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 20: very difficult. So I don't necessarily see Marines storming the

1235
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 20: beach there. I see them eventually getting there. But I

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 20: do see again, go back to Jasok, that Joint Special

1237
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 20: Ops commands the really the elite soldiers we have in

1238
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,919
Speaker 20: our country. Think Israeli commandos back from the seventies. That's

1239
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 20: you know, a pretty good cadre of folks there. They

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01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 20: likely fast rope in like you saw in Mogadishu, you

1241
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 20: saw more of an air assault, perhaps even airborne operation.

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01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 20: Get in on the island and overwhelm those forces quickly

1243
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 20: and then provide a path because the Marines will likely

1244
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 20: still try to come in from the beach and that'll

1245
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 20: be a great photo opportunity for them. And you heard

1246
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 20: Lindsay Graham call it an an Eugma moment again, But

1247
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 20: I think again that's the visual that they're looking for.

1248
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 20: But just to say it will happen easily, I think

1249
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 20: it is a little bit of a bridge too far,

1250
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Speaker 20: and we'll continue to soften that place up for many,

1251
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Speaker 20: many weeks before we do that.

1252
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Speaker 2: I think talking to Major Mike Lyons retired to the

1253
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: United States Army military analysts, and it's always a good

1254
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: reminder that I think we can take one quickly. Doesn't

1255
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 2: mean that that's the reality. It's certainly not the way

1256
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 2: one should plan. And you are correct that we do

1257
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 2: live in a society that will only accept zero casualties,

1258
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 2: which leads people to the idea of is this worth it?

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01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: That brings us to the idea of what is winning now? Again,

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Speaker 2: I have stated and and you've heard me talk about this,

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01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: if the regime in any way stay is I don't

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01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 2: know what we were doing here. Yeah, Has there been

1264
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 2: a conversation and does the military accept this conversation as

1265
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: the idea of there are certain things that could be happening,

1266
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: a degradation of Iranian capability that would be considered Okay,

1267
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 2: we don't have to worry about this for another twenty

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Speaker 2: five years, or another seventeen years, another thirty two years,

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Speaker 2: or another eight years. Does that exist? Is that the

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01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 2: way they're playing the game right now?

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Speaker 20: I think we're already going in that direction. But I

1272
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 20: don't think that's going to be good enough for Donald Trump.

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01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,679
Speaker 20: I think he wants that visual signal. He wants it's

1274
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 20: something we can see. The military can tell them that

1275
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 20: we've set them back twenty five years. Their ballistic missile capabilities,

1276
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 20: nuclear sites.

1277
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Speaker 19: And the like.

1278
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 20: But until we put people on the ground there that

1279
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 20: actually have recovered the enriched uranium, for example, half a

1280
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 20: ton of that, which is again not going in the

1281
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 20: back of a special ops helicopter someplace.

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Speaker 10: That's going to be a big op to do that.

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Speaker 20: I think he's going to have he wants a visual

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Speaker 20: And the upside though Saudi Arabia's now involved guitars uae Oman,

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Speaker 20: the Arab States have now turned against Iran. I think

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Speaker 20: that's a's a big change. It's one thing about fighting

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Speaker 20: a war and another thing about waging a war. And

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Speaker 20: the United States, you don't want to fight us in

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Speaker 20: a war because we'll beat up one side down the other.

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Speaker 20: And I think that's been true in history, you go

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Speaker 20: back to even Vietnam. But the waging war aspect, I

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Speaker 20: think that this administration is getting right. I think it's

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Speaker 20: fine that we threaten their electrical grid. I think it's

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Speaker 20: absolutely fine that we try to take over there the

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Speaker 20: refinement facilities. So I think that's absolutely fine. That's how

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Speaker 20: you wage war against another country.

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Speaker 10: That's what it's all about.

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Speaker 20: And now I'd like to see a little more congressional

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Speaker 20: involvement with this. But I'm not sure that there's enough

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Speaker 20: in Congress that will ever get by this concept of

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Speaker 20: Donald Trump doing this. But again, all these problems from

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Speaker 20: the last fifty years are getting settled right now, and

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Speaker 20: that's what we need to do. And I and again

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Speaker 20: I say Trump in this administration waging war and not

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Speaker 20: just fighting the war. And I think that from the

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Speaker 20: military perspective, it's going to continue.

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Speaker 2: You've had Saudi guitar, the UAE expelling Iranian diplomats. They've

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Speaker 2: made their decision. The question is does that decision continue

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Speaker 2: to be made. Is there is there a feel that

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Speaker 2: there is a long term strategy now amongst midiest nations

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Speaker 2: to no matter what comes, marginalize Iran, do away with

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Speaker 2: Iran's influence and their desires to be a hegemonic power,

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Speaker 2: and say we will work amongst ourselves to create tomorrow

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Speaker 2: where they're not in charge, We're in charge. And does

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Speaker 2: that involve Israel in any way?

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Speaker 20: Well, I think Israel gets involved on the capitalism side,

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Speaker 20: on the market side, but not necessarily on the alliance side.

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Speaker 20: Let's let's put it that way. I mean, these air

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Speaker 20: nations are thick from a cultural perspective. Although Iran's Iranians

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Speaker 20: are different, they're Persians, they don't necessarily consider themselves Arabs,

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Speaker 20: and the Arab countries really had to get along with

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Speaker 20: just from proximity.

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Speaker 10: I mean it's you know, the.

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Speaker 20: Distance from Iran to Kuwait for example, in Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 20: and those desalization points as well within artillery range, ballistic

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Speaker 20: missile range and the like. So they've had to get

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Speaker 20: along with them for necessity. Now they've also tolerated the

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Speaker 20: Iranians controlling the Straits of Oromotzas for as long as

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Speaker 20: they have, and the rest of the world has as well,

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Speaker 20: which again is another thing I don't understand why the

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Speaker 20: rest of the world isn't getting on board with that,

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Speaker 20: because the Iranians, you know, should not have that kind

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Speaker 20: of power to control that. And you're going to see

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Speaker 20: a very big push by those Arab nations to move

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Speaker 20: products and services they can through pipelines and over roads

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Speaker 20: and avoid that geographic obstacle. Really is what it's become.

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Speaker 20: I think when this is when this is over, the

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Speaker 20: Saudi's are already have a pipeline built that goes to

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Speaker 20: the Red Sea.

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Speaker 10: It goes goes West I.

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Speaker 20: Guess they get about seven million barrels a day through there,

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Speaker 20: but it's not the thirteen million that they try to

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Speaker 20: ship daily through the Persian Gulf. So you're going to

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Speaker 20: see the world. Everything has changed in the Arab world

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Speaker 20: because of this and that now that it's tipped over

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Speaker 20: where those Arab nations are against the Iranians, that that

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Speaker 20: means regime change from their mind is coming to.

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Speaker 2: It's changed in the Arab world for us, for the

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Speaker 2: United States. But now we bring up this question of Israel.

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Speaker 2: Can is Israel going to abide by some deal that

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Speaker 2: Trump says, Okay, that's the deal.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 2: The first rule of trump Ism is that Trump wins.

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Speaker 2: And the second rule of trump Ism is that a

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Speaker 2: deal can always be made as long as it adheres

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Speaker 2: to the first rule of trump Ism. So Trump can

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Speaker 2: make a deal that net Nyahu or the Israelis don't like. Uh,

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Speaker 2: Are are they prepared to say, well, this is as

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Speaker 2: far as we're going to go, Because if you ask

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Speaker 2: the Israelis, they want an Iranian regime that in no

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Speaker 2: way exists and they want no more UH Islamic power

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Speaker 2: in that in that area, in that country. Are they

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Speaker 2: are they on board for the Well, this is as

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Speaker 2: far as we're going to go, and that's gonna be that.

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Speaker 2: Or will they're bombing of Park Servan or of southern

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Speaker 2: Lebanon and Hesbela continue.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, they're going to continue going after Hesbela.

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Speaker 20: That's the only proxy that the Iranians are even remotely

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Speaker 20: attached to at this point. But you saw the Lebanese

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Speaker 20: government now I believe it was trying to remove the

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Speaker 20: Iranian ministries Lebanon.

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Speaker 10: What again a disaster of a country taken over.

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Speaker 20: By Hesbelah and you know, neighbor of Israel, clearly an

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Speaker 20: enemy of the Israeli States. So again Israel's taking care

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Speaker 20: of all family business right now, going after them.

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Speaker 10: But Tony, what would that deal look like?

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Speaker 20: What would the United States is not going to agree

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Speaker 20: to anything that I don't think Israel wouldn't think as

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Speaker 20: good as well, it didn't obviously Israel didn't like the JCPOA,

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Speaker 20: but Obama didn't care what Israel thought, and that was

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Speaker 20: that's turned out to be a complete disaster if that

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Speaker 20: if that had gone through, when the Trump administration didn't

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Speaker 20: pull that off the table, because we see the Iranians

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Speaker 20: are just liars anyway, But what would that look like.

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Speaker 10: I think Israel will be.

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Speaker 20: Very satisfied because the United States will be satisfied because

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Speaker 20: you mentioned Trump's rule number one. Trump wins, but all

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Speaker 20: so in Trump's world, in so many ways, somebody else loses.

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Speaker 20: And that's that's going to be part of the visual

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Speaker 20: of the United States winning is going to.

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Speaker 10: Be somebody else losing.

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Speaker 20: Trump would love another you know, US Battleship Missouri moment

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Speaker 20: where we bring the Iranian you know, whoever a person

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Speaker 20: is signs the surrender statement on the USS Eisenhower or

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Speaker 20: someplace and with ten with a thousand sailors overlooking that person,

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Speaker 20: a very small person, like we did against the Japanese.

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Speaker 20: So it's not only Trump wins, but someone's going to lose.

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Speaker 20: And in this case that's.

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Speaker 10: Going to be a run.

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Speaker 20: I don't see how it was real given that what

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Speaker 20: with the United States has demanded for right now, we're

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Speaker 20: not going to give up in any of those things,

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Speaker 20: which means really unconditional surrender.

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Speaker 2: Trump wants to be on the boat when Emperor hero

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Speaker 2: Hido shows up to say we give yeah.

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Speaker 10: I think so.

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Speaker 20: I think that would be the moment they'll they'll find

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Speaker 20: that to fund the shortest Iranian that they can to

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Speaker 20: do it to make it look even worse.

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Speaker 2: So, uh, there is something to be said about a

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Speaker 2: visual sir. It's it is pretty important stuff. I just

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Speaker 2: don't think that moment's coming. Major my Lions, United States Army,

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Speaker 2: a major retired, a military analyst. I appreciate you taking

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Speaker 2: the time to be with us. More is coming up

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Speaker 2: on Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today. Are we

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Speaker 2: all in agreement that there are way too many podcasts?

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Speaker 2: There's just too many? And I'd say this as a

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Speaker 2: guy who does podcasts. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today, good

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Speaker 2: to be with you. How does one rise above the din?

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Speaker 2: How does one, you know, reach audience? How do you

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Speaker 2: make that happen? Is it a marketing spend that has

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Speaker 2: to happen? Is it just happenstance or luck? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but there are now little stories and reports of people saying,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I gave this a shot, I'm out

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Speaker 2: of this business and all of it. You know, when

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Speaker 2: you're on the radio side, radio is the one that

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Speaker 2: has to deal with this because the listening went to

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Speaker 2: online and it's not in radio and so radio adjusts

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Speaker 2: and deals with some of the struggles, even though I

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Speaker 2: think we're still the single most important medium out there.

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about immediacy, no one can give

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Speaker 2: it to you like like radio. Yes, I'm for the

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Speaker 2: home team, but I'm also a believer for sure. I

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Speaker 2: bring this up because there is a podcast that I

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Speaker 2: never heard of, and they might have nine billion followers

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Speaker 2: for all I know. It's called the Him and Her Show.

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Speaker 2: I did not know this thing existed. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about the BBC comedy. There's a podcast and it

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Speaker 2: says Him and Her, and this is Robert F. Kennedy

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Speaker 2: Junior on the show saying this.

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Speaker 21: I'm not partisan person, but I wanted to say just

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Speaker 21: that I've found out from people in my agency was

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Speaker 21: they were ordered but during by the Biden Whitehouse, not

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Speaker 21: to do program integrity, in other words, not to enforce

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Speaker 21: against fraud. And they said they were told, we want

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Speaker 21: to focus on only enrollment and getting more and more

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Speaker 21: people into the system.

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Speaker 2: So wait, if they caught somebody doing fraud, prosecute that.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, they were not even the fraudulent claims that came

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Speaker 21: in that they knew were fraudulent.

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Speaker 2: They were paid, so they never looked in fraud. They

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01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 2: never looked into it. They never checked into it, they

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Speaker 2: never looked at it. They allowed it to take place. Well,

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Speaker 2: it makes sense because for the leftist, the success of

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Speaker 2: a program is not how many people get off of it,

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Speaker 2: but how many people they put on it, which is

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Speaker 2: why the program never goes away. It's a very different

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Speaker 2: view than you have, and that the political right has.

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Speaker 2: It's a real difference. They view success by how many

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Speaker 2: people they put on a program, not how many people

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Speaker 2: don't need it anymore. They never looked at the fraud.

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Speaker 2: And now you know what happened in Minnesota and California,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina and probably every state in the country. I'm

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. I think John

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Speaker 2: Cleese is right. It's kind of amazing he hasn't ended

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Speaker 2: up in jail for his statement on recognizing that Islam

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01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:07,759
Speaker 2: is a political system, not a religion. And the people

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Speaker 2: who scream islamophobia were completely full of crap. Tony Kats,

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today, Good to be here, good to be

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Speaker 2: with you. Oh that's gonna get me in trouble with

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Speaker 2: a lot of people. Whatever, whatever Islamophobia is a nonsense

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Speaker 2: term created because somehow they didn't want to scream racist Islamophobia,

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Speaker 2: a fear of Islam, a fear of Islamists. Absolutely, but

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Speaker 2: any time there's a rational argument to be made about

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Speaker 2: look at what these Islamists are doing, Look at what

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Speaker 2: these terrorists are doing, look at the connection points. It's

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Speaker 2: all you're an islamophobe. Stop talking outrageous leftists who won't

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Speaker 2: accept reality. You're gonna get killed too. If the Islamist

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Speaker 2: has their way. You will never ever, ever, ever ever

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Speaker 2: be safe ever. And there is no society where the

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Speaker 2: Islamist has been able to succeed where people who are

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Speaker 2: not Muslim are safe. Zero. Their batting average is zero

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Speaker 2: in terms of people being safe if they're not Muslim

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Speaker 2: in Islama societies. Zero. The total number of Jews in

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Speaker 2: Islamic societies is zero. How do you think that is

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Speaker 2: because the total number of any group in Islamic societies

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Speaker 2: is zero because it's not allowed, because the political system

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Speaker 2: does not allow it. Now I get heat for that,

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Speaker 2: calling it a political system not a religion. It's fine.

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Speaker 2: I stand in the company of Christopher Hitchens and others,

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Speaker 2: and that's the company. I want to keep it is

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Speaker 2: what it is now. Am I here to tell you

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Speaker 2: that every Muslim is a bad person? Absolutely positively not

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01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 2: that is an insane thought. Am I here to tell

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Speaker 2: you that all Islamists are bad people? Yes, anybody who

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01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 2: wants a caliphate, anybody who wants you to pay the jijia,

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01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 2: the tax for being a non Muslim. Anybody who thinks

1498
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 2: that public beheadings like we've seen in the UK is valuable.

1499
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 2: Anybody who believes in honor killings. Anybody who believes that

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01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 2: somehow they should be on top and everybody else should

1501
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 2: be subjugated, not live their lives subjugated. Those are not

1502
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 2: people I'm in league with, and anybody who supports them

1503
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 2: is out of their head. This all starts with a

1504
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 2: statement put out by the absolutely ridiculous and i argue

1505
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 2: bigoted mayor of London City con talking about how British

1506
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:49,799
Speaker 2: Muslims are scared.

1507
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:55,200
Speaker 15: I'm a board and Raise London. I've dove liverywhere else ready,

1508
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 15: and I've been there for ten years. I've hosted events

1509
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 15: in Dragon Square for Jewish friends and colleagues, Hanaka, I've

1510
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 15: hosted events and Driver Square for Christian friends and colleagues.

1511
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 15: Events at Eastern the passion of Christ. Events at Christmas.

1512
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 15: We have hymns and carols when we like the Christmas tree.

1513
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 15: We have events Devali for Hindu friends and Fesaki for

1514
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 15: sekh Londoners. And I'm heartbroken, I'm sad, I'm angry, and

1515
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 15: I can understand why many British Muslims are scared by

1516
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 15: somebody who is so senior, who wants to be the

1517
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 15: Lord Chancellor saying what he said, but worryingly his leader,

1518
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 15: somebody who wants to be the Prime Minister Kenny Badma

1519
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 15: thinking it is British British values to single out of Muslims.

1520
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 15: It is British values to respect each other. Yespate Christian country,

1521
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 15: but you know, Christianity teaches us to love thy neighbor.

1522
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 15: It doesn't say love like a Christian neighbor. He says

1523
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 15: love thy neighbor. I learn about Christianity. It teaches us

1524
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 15: we are the keep of our brother and sister. He

1525
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:19,640
Speaker 15: teaches us about the good Samaritan. What is so objectionable

1526
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 15: to the Conservative Party about Muslims celebrates in their religion

1527
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 15: in the way that we do.

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01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 2: If we want to be honest about what we're seeing

1529
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:34,879
Speaker 2: across the UK regarding Islamists, you can realize the serious

1530
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: danger involved. Now some people are afraid of this conversation.

1531
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 2: We cannot be. But let's go back to Sadikon, the

1532
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 2: Mayor of London saying that British Muslims are scared, scared

1533
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 2: of what this takes place after the Jewish community in London,

1534
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 2: where the anti Semitism is rampant, they had ambulances set ablaze.

1535
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 2: That's the headline from Reuters. Four Jewish community ambulances were

1536
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,679
Speaker 2: set up blazed in North London on Monday, what British

1537
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Kierstormer called a deeply shocking anti Semitic arson attack.

1538
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: Why are Muslims afraid? What's being lit on fire of Muslims?

1539
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 2: Why is it? And this is what god Sad points to.

1540
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,879
Speaker 2: If you don't know, Gad said over a million followers

1541
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 2: on Twitter x a thinker. I don't know if i'd

1542
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 2: agree with him on everything, but I don't know everything

1543
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 2: he's ever said, but I do follow him on the socials,

1544
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 2: and he wrote, Indeed, whatever Jews are attacked, typically by Muslims,

1545
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:45,440
Speaker 2: it is important to redouble our efforts to fight against islamophobia.

1546
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 2: That is always what happens that The argument does always, oh,

1547
01:37:54,800 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 2: it's islamophobia. Oh we're scared. Oh good lord. Norm MacDonald

1548
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:06,879
Speaker 2: tweeted about this in one of the most famous posts

1549
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 2: Norm MacDonald may have ever put up. We're talking about

1550
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:12,839
Speaker 2: the comic, and he wrote back in twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen,

1551
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 2: what terrifies me is if Isis were to detonate a

1552
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 2: nuclear device and kill fifty million Americans, imagine the backlash

1553
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:29,160
Speaker 2: against peaceful Muslims. The argument is always, well, oh, you

1554
01:38:29,200 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 2: can't say that because these people are peaceful. You can't

1555
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 2: say that because they didn't do anything wrong. Not every

1556
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 2: Muslim did something wrong. It's crazed. But the idea that

1557
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 2: there is a problem with radical Islam and there's a

1558
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 2: problem with islamist and the problem is real, we can't

1559
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 2: say so because, oh, then Muslims are afraid. Stop it,

1560
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 2: stop it. It's a nonsense argument meant to get people

1561
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 2: to stop noticing. We're not going to stop noticing there's

1562
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 2: a problem. And there are not enough people stating that

1563
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,799
Speaker 2: Islam needs a serious reformation and enlightenment if you will,

1564
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 2: but if you have ten percent of two billion radicalized

1565
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 2: that's two hundred million. That is a danger. This brings

1566
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 2: us back to John Cleese of Monty Python fame, who,

1567
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 2: responding to Gad Sad wrote, does this silly little man

1568
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 2: not understand that Islam is a very aggressive belief system

1569
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 2: threatening death to anyone who does not convert to Islam.

1570
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 2: The Buddhist, the Taoist, the Scottish Presbyterians, the Hindus and

1571
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 2: the Sikhs and the Confucians and the Catholics don't go

1572
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:48,160
Speaker 2: around shouting about beheading people they disagree with. Is this

1573
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 2: too much for your tiny little brain to take in?

1574
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 2: And then he says, oh, the doorbell rang the police.

1575
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 2: I assume because in Britain, if you even notice the

1576
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 2: issue with Islamists, you get arrested. They can go about

1577
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 2: killing people, which does indeed happen, threatening people, intimidating It

1578
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,679
Speaker 2: does indeed happen. We're not going to pretend that it doesn't.

1579
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 2: I don't care what name I get called. The facts

1580
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 2: or the facts or the facts or the facts, they

1581
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 2: are what they are. And if you notice these things

1582
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 2: in Britain, you're the one who goes to jail for

1583
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 2: your social media posts saying hey, I noticed this thing.

1584
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 2: It is a backwards country now, devoid the ravages of thought,

1585
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 2: to quote a film made by his Monty Python brethren,

1586
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 2: devoid of any honest conversation that sadcon can go screw,

1587
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:48,600
Speaker 2: he can pound sand. I don't want to hear it.

1588
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 2: Where are Muslims to stand up and say this is

1589
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 2: not acceptable, we don't want this life. And as long

1590
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 2: as they are in the main silence, while there are

1591
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 2: countless examples of Emams and others saying we will be

1592
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,160
Speaker 2: the dominant power. We must be. We are superior to

1593
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:14,600
Speaker 2: all others. We must do away with the infidel, we

1594
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,719
Speaker 2: must crush them, we must change them. You have people

1595
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 2: going door to door saying in Michigan, stop selling beer

1596
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 2: and stop selling alcohol. This is against the will of

1597
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 2: a law. And this is shameful. And should we live

1598
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 2: in a pluralist society in the United States? And we

1599
01:41:30,920 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 2: want to keep the pluralist society. And I'm not interested

1600
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 2: in someone who thinks that their religion should be our politics,

1601
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 2: because after all, it's not a religion, it's a political

1602
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 2: system to begin with. Not interested in living their life

1603
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:46,679
Speaker 2: because in their life, I die, and so do my kids.

1604
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 2: And since everyone knows that to be true, What the

1605
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:55,599
Speaker 2: hell are we doing? John Cleese is right. I can

1606
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 2: live with all of these other groups without issue, because

1607
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 2: while they they may disagree with me, they may not

1608
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 2: even like me, They're not trying to kill me. And

1609
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to kill them because I may not

1610
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 2: like them. Only the Islamist is trying to kill everybody.

1611
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 2: These are the facts, and denying them is just silly.

1612
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 2: And so when Trump goes about saying, you know, the

1613
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 2: left is the greatest enemy America has. If the argument,

1614
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 2: and I can see why why people are bothered by that,

1615
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 2: But if the argument very well is that the left

1616
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 2: is now in this very un American place, and to

1617
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 2: this subject inspecific, the left refuses to note the violence

1618
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 2: and the danger of the Islamist and thus gives them

1619
01:42:52,400 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 2: safe harbor and safe passage, and excuses their behavior by screaming, well, Islamophobia,

1620
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 2: then yes, the American left is a great danger. Now

1621
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 2: you say to me, how dare you say that? But

1622
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:12,000
Speaker 2: I've been saying it about British culture for years. I

1623
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 2: am the first person you ever heard say that Prince William,

1624
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 2: the son of King Charles, will be the last king

1625
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 2: of England Now some people will argue that's actually gonna

1626
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 2: be Prince George William and Kate's son. I don't think

1627
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 2: it will get that far. Prince William will be the

1628
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 2: last King of England. Prince Charles, sorry, King Charles is

1629
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:39,520
Speaker 2: a coward. And we should be clear that Queen Elizabeth,

1630
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 2: while having done a tremendous amount for the Royal family

1631
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 2: and for Britain as a whole, did not take on

1632
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 2: the Islamist threat the way she should have. She kicked

1633
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 2: the can down the road to a son who is

1634
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,200
Speaker 2: not qualified to do it better than Andrew, but not

1635
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 2: willing to fight. That's obvious. And if Prince William thinks

1636
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 2: at this rate his son will ascend him to the throne,

1637
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 2: he's out of his mind. The Church of England will fall.

1638
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 2: I've been saying this for years. Did we think that

1639
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 2: it was just going to be England? What kind of

1640
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 2: foolharted madness is this? Of course it wasn't just going

1641
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 2: to be England. We have France, we have major swaths

1642
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 2: of Europe except those countries that said we're not taking

1643
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 2: any of this crap, This unfettered mass immigration of Islamists,

1644
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 2: not people looking for a better life. People looking to

1645
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:49,600
Speaker 2: dominate your life. And when you bring people in unfettered,

1646
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 2: and when you bring people in unchecked, and when you

1647
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 2: don't demand a connection to the culture, they are coming

1648
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:59,639
Speaker 2: to You think that what's happening in Minnesota with Somali

1649
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 2: nash is just huh. I reject that. And someone's gonna

1650
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 2: say me, how dare you that is so big? An No,

1651
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:09,599
Speaker 2: it is not. It is a recognition of what we

1652
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:12,559
Speaker 2: demand as a society. And we didn't demand it that

1653
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,600
Speaker 2: somehow demanding the American way of life and you do

1654
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 2: it the way we do it is wrong and it

1655
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 2: is not. Can we be open? Can we be welcoming?

1656
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:25,719
Speaker 2: Can we be pluralist? You bet? But are there rules

1657
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 2: and the rules have to be followed? You bet? And

1658
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,600
Speaker 2: do we have to be honest about those who engage

1659
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 2: in systems that are detrimental I'm sorry, contra to the

1660
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,000
Speaker 2: American way of life and to the existence and the

1661
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 2: survival Western civilization. Yes, And the Islamist is contra to

1662
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 2: the American way of life and to Western civilization, just

1663
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 2: like it is to the British way of life. And

1664
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:54,200
Speaker 2: John Claes is correct, and I am surprised they haven't

1665
01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 2: thrown them in jail yet for being honest, while Sadik

1666
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 2: Khan goes to another in a long list of I

1667
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 2: can't believe they're attacking us. London has to vote better,

1668
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 2: London has to fight better. So does the United States.

1669
01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. John Cornyn

1670
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 2: really really, really really wants to win the primary to

1671
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 2: be the continuing Senator from Texas. I mean this on

1672
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:25,440
Speaker 2: Fox News.

1673
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,320
Speaker 5: And Senator when it comes to what's happening with the

1674
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 5: war in Iran.

1675
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 19: Soon they're going to put a bill in front of

1676
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 19: you to say we need probably two hundred billion dollars

1677
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 19: more roughly to fund the war.

1678
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 2: How do you feel about.

1679
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:41,839
Speaker 11: That, Well, it's cheaper than it's cheaper than indeed, nuclear

1680
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 11: rised Iran and eliminating the number one state sponsor of

1681
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 11: terrorism along with their proxies. There's a whole lot cheaper

1682
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 11: than fighting a regional war with a nuclear armed Iran

1683
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 11: and continuing the unrest we've seen since the Iranian revolution

1684
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 11: in nineteen seventy nine.

1685
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:02,120
Speaker 2: So that is correct, That is an accurate assessment. I'm

1686
01:47:02,160 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 2: going to believe connects with people in Texas. This is

1687
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 2: absolutely the correct answer. It is cheaper. It is cheaper

1688
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 2: to take out the regime now. But I'll say it again,

1689
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 2: for the people in the cheap seats us making this

1690
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 2: move on Iran, which I'm fine with, and I'm fine

1691
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 2: with calling it regime change. I'm fine with all of it.

1692
01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 2: I don't think there should be any question to what

1693
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 2: it is we're dealing with. We should never lie to

1694
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 2: each other. We should all be on the same page

1695
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 2: and then discuss whether we agree to disagree. But if

1696
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,560
Speaker 2: we're not going to remove the regime in full, I

1697
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 2: don't know what we did. We delayed them, well, sometimes

1698
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:46,679
Speaker 2: delaying them is enough. I don't think that's the case here.

1699
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 2: We can end the regime. If we're not, what are

1700
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 2: we doing. We're for all intents and purposes, ending the

1701
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,240
Speaker 2: regime as well as money still going to flow to Iran,

1702
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Speaker 2: and they're still going to have some kind of power

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Speaker 2: structure be able to oppress the people, which will allow them,

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Speaker 2: of course to continue with the funding of terrorism. Then

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Speaker 2: what the hell did we do excellently? That remains my

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Speaker 2: top question. Find everything at Tony Kats dot com tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Everyone take care