WEBVTT - Mac & Bone Show - Jim Szoke Interview 0:00:13.300 --> 0:00:14.720 Guys, we've got to come back on the air now. 0:00:17.310 --> 0:00:21.730 Oh, God. That's annoying, man. They should double pay us 0:00:21.750 --> 0:00:23.510 for these Panther Mondays after an L. 0:00:24.270 --> 0:00:24.989 Oh, my Lord. 0:00:25.010 --> 0:00:28.130 All right, Mack and Bone with you, joined by Jim Zoki, 0:00:28.170 --> 0:00:30.800 Panther Radio Network. He probably doesn't want to be joining 0:00:30.860 --> 0:00:32.100 us right now and talking. 0:00:32.140 --> 0:00:32.900 What's up, Zoki? 0:00:34.130 --> 0:00:35.480 Why don't we do this next week or something? During 0:00:35.490 --> 0:00:36.519 the bye week, maybe? I feel like a. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.659 Fat loser when the Panthers don't win. Well, I feel 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.159 like a fat winner like last week. That was a 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:41.680 good time. 0:00:41.700 --> 0:00:43.420 There's a common thread. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.160 We eat all this food, Mac, and we think it's 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:46.760 worth it because the Panthers are going to win, and 0:00:46.780 --> 0:00:49.180 then they don't. Now I just feel ashamed of myself. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:50.880 You're just bloated and pissed. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:51.860 Empty calories. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.280 Bloated and angry. So, hey, at least. 0:00:55.140 --> 0:00:57.700 Emery Williams and the ECU Pirates, baby, were rolling. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:00:58.580 Saturday was good. 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.080 Sorry, North Carolina Central. Sorry about that. 0:01:00.100 --> 0:01:01.740 Saturday was good. Got to Cleveland and. 0:01:02.340 --> 0:01:05.960 I will tell you, that was a rock fight. It 0:01:05.980 --> 0:01:07.180 was like one of those games, like only one of 0:01:07.220 --> 0:01:08.899 these teams is going to win. I feel like who's 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.800 going to lose the least? And again, there were some 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.630 credits to both defenses, honestly, for making the game as 0:01:14.709 --> 0:01:16.310 ugly as it was. So I think it was like 0:01:16.350 --> 0:01:18.690 credit first of all for that. But the two offenses, 0:01:18.709 --> 0:01:20.830 they just spent four quarters trying to figure out. And 0:01:20.850 --> 0:01:22.590 they both get a drive in the final five minutes 0:01:22.610 --> 0:01:25.000 to get a touchdown, thinking they've done it. But it 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.880 was just like the defenses were the teams yesterday, and 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:29.640 both of them looked really good as far as overall play. 0:01:29.690 --> 0:01:31.830 What did you think about the Panthers' offense? 0:01:31.890 --> 0:01:33.710 I mean, it's hard not to talk about the offensive 0:01:33.750 --> 0:01:35.610 line because of how long it took us to get 0:01:35.670 --> 0:01:37.209 any semblance of a run game going. 0:01:37.690 --> 0:01:41.520 And then also the pass protection. And those things go hand-in-hand, too, right? 0:01:41.540 --> 0:01:44.060 If you can't run it, you're in passing situations where 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:44.880 they can tee off. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.040 I mean, the offensive line... Just stuck out like a 0:01:48.060 --> 0:01:48.560 sore thumb. 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:49.000 It did. 0:01:49.060 --> 0:01:51.580 And everything you said, because there was pressure on Bryce 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.700 the entire game. And it was from the edges. It 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.740 was from up the middle on Mason Graham. Quincy Williams 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:58.820 looked like he was in on every single play yesterday. 0:01:58.860 --> 0:02:02.440 I mean, but it's with Schlesinger. That is such a quick, 0:02:02.700 --> 0:02:06.060 active defensive front. And then they put Denzel Ward on 0:02:06.100 --> 0:02:08.500 TMAC for most of the day. And we never heard 0:02:08.540 --> 0:02:11.200 from him again. I mean, so credit again to their defense, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.660 but we couldn't crack the code, especially it felt like 0:02:13.980 --> 0:02:15.870 Chuba Hubbard was going to get 100 yards. It was 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.930 going to come on 94 carries because it was like 0:02:18.070 --> 0:02:20.290 one yard every single time he was running there for 0:02:20.310 --> 0:02:22.550 most of the first half. But again, you have to 0:02:22.590 --> 0:02:24.030 win those. I mean, you give them credit, but you 0:02:24.050 --> 0:02:25.970 have to find ways to win and get around it 0:02:25.990 --> 0:02:27.330 and figure it out. And we just had a hard 0:02:27.370 --> 0:02:28.169 time for most of the day. 0:02:28.330 --> 0:02:31.410 I thought Max said something interesting last year. Not last year. 0:02:31.450 --> 0:02:32.490 Last hour. He said more. 0:02:32.550 --> 0:02:33.940 It feels like a year ago, right? 0:02:34.380 --> 0:02:36.079 That was my last interesting comment. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:36.260 2025. 0:02:36.260 --> 0:02:39.520 I'm sorry. Eventually I'll get one for 2026. I think 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:40.660 it came during the playoffs. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:41.500 It was really good, though. 0:02:41.740 --> 0:02:46.380 Last hour, I thought Max said something interesting. What's actually worse? 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:47.080 The loss? 0:02:47.690 --> 0:02:50.389 Or the amount of injuries that are piling up, especially 0:02:50.410 --> 0:02:52.890 when you're playing a team like Detroit this week. And 0:02:52.910 --> 0:02:54.210 now Mike Jack's got his problem. 0:02:54.610 --> 0:02:55.389 J.C. 's hurt. 0:02:55.630 --> 0:02:57.590 To me, the injuries, I think Mac might be right. 0:02:57.910 --> 0:03:00.170 The injury concerns might be even worse than. 0:03:00.090 --> 0:03:00.630 The loss was. 0:03:00.750 --> 0:03:03.000 And so I'll hold off on that depending on how 0:03:03.060 --> 0:03:05.680 long the time is. It sounds like J.C. is the 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.500 worst one of the quad injuries and so forth. Coker, again, 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.560 was saying not too bad for him. Devin Lloyd sounded 0:03:11.580 --> 0:03:12.940 like he was really close to being able to play 0:03:12.980 --> 0:03:15.530 in this past game. So as long as we get 0:03:15.550 --> 0:03:17.190 through this week and then the bye week, if we 0:03:17.210 --> 0:03:20.190 can get these guys back, I mean, there's no doubt. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.239 I mean, everyone always says, you know, next man up. Well, 0:03:22.260 --> 0:03:23.780 there's a reason why the first man's paid a lot 0:03:23.820 --> 0:03:25.960 of money, because he's better than the other ones. You've 0:03:25.980 --> 0:03:29.100 got two great corners that were out in the defense. Again, 0:03:29.300 --> 0:03:33.390 Caleb Evans almost had the play of the game thanks 0:03:33.450 --> 0:03:35.570 to Will Lee tipping a ball to him. So, yeah, 0:03:35.590 --> 0:03:37.070 those two guys back there, that could have been the 0:03:37.130 --> 0:03:41.540 sealer of those two, I'd say, reserve players. coming in, non-starters, 0:03:42.060 --> 0:03:44.559 and coming in and making a play like that would 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.680 have sealed the game, if not for the roughing calls. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.160 So I think they hung in defensively, even with the 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:50.100 depth out there for most of the time. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.740 It would have been a great way to win it, too. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.090 The rookie, Will Lee, making the play. 0:03:53.150 --> 0:03:55.330 I thought Phillips did a great job because he kind of, 0:03:55.350 --> 0:03:56.670 as he did a few times in the game, kind 0:03:56.690 --> 0:03:57.470 of got sucked. 0:03:57.270 --> 0:03:59.190 In on the rush inside. But I thought he did 0:03:59.210 --> 0:04:01.190 a great job getting out and kind of cutting Watson off. 0:04:01.290 --> 0:04:04.830 Okereke comes up. But it's just, it sucks. But I 0:04:04.890 --> 0:04:08.550 think that's the rule. in 2026 what did you think 0:04:08.630 --> 0:04:11.090 about that roughing call and what did the guys on. 0:04:11.030 --> 0:04:13.650 The network think about it i think uh we had 0:04:13.790 --> 0:04:16.470 kurt coleman yesterday with us and so we um i 0:04:16.490 --> 0:04:18.050 mean it was it was one of those things like 0:04:18.150 --> 0:04:20.830 it's it's borderline but you don't call penalties by degree 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.080 of severity so it felt like it was mostly a 0:04:23.130 --> 0:04:25.940 shoulder hit but there was contact with the face mask 0:04:26.060 --> 0:04:28.539 and the the officials are trained to call it the 0:04:28.580 --> 0:04:30.500 way that the rule is written on paper and it's 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.659 just like you have to have rules and until the 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.760 rule changes um I think that's what you have to 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:37.480 live with. I think, too, when you get a quarterback 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:38.960 out of the pocket, I think they need to look 0:04:38.980 --> 0:04:40.960 at changing the rules a little bit when they become 0:04:41.380 --> 0:04:42.820 potentially a runner. I know he threw the ball in 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.640 that situation, but they've got to make football plays out there. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.310 You already take away the whole can't get the body weight. 0:04:48.130 --> 0:04:49.270 Landing on the quarterback. 0:04:49.290 --> 0:04:51.169 So there's so many different things they have to look 0:04:51.210 --> 0:04:53.370 at where they're running 100 miles an hour trying to 0:04:53.390 --> 0:04:55.090 make a defensive play with a game on the line, 0:04:55.510 --> 0:04:59.070 and then something really borderline like that happens. And again, 0:04:59.390 --> 0:05:01.460 it wasn't in the game-winning situation, but there was a 0:05:01.540 --> 0:05:04.219 full-on face mask where Deshaun Watson gets his head twisted 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.890 around They don't call that. And so I think they 0:05:06.930 --> 0:05:08.770 know they missed that call. So I almost wonder, I'm 0:05:08.830 --> 0:05:10.830 sure Todd Munkin was in their ear about that. It 0:05:10.860 --> 0:05:14.520 probably became a point of emphasis, that particular call moving 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.099 forward after that. Like, we can't just have face masks and, 0:05:17.140 --> 0:05:19.820 you know, contact with the head kind of roughing the 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:20.930 quarterback calls not called. 0:05:21.060 --> 0:05:23.669 Bryce got a couple roughing, too. You know, so they 0:05:23.730 --> 0:05:26.210 called that both ways. And one of them I thought was. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:28.580 was a little, maybe a little lucky. 0:05:28.630 --> 0:05:31.270 But again, they seem to be bone-erring on that side, 0:05:31.670 --> 0:05:32.950 on the quarterback's side, right? 0:05:32.970 --> 0:05:34.929 What did you think of Bryce's performance yesterday? 0:05:35.130 --> 0:05:35.890 I think he hung in. 0:05:35.930 --> 0:05:38.170 I mean, to factor in the fact that obviously he 0:05:38.210 --> 0:05:40.420 got his ankle or whatever dinged up at some point 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.420 in that game, you could see there were obvious plays 0:05:42.460 --> 0:05:44.680 where he could have run and didn't run. Like, he 0:05:44.700 --> 0:05:47.400 got out of the pocket. He's got open territory in 0:05:47.420 --> 0:05:49.290 front of him. And he threw the ball into the stands, 0:05:49.370 --> 0:05:50.180 actually into the dog pound. 0:05:50.190 --> 0:05:52.840 That exact play. That play. He could have ran. You 0:05:52.860 --> 0:05:53.960 think it's the anchor? 0:05:53.980 --> 0:05:55.760 I think he probably couldn't slide is my thought. Like 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:57.320 he could probably, obviously he could move around and run 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:58.780 a little bit. I bet it was just like, maybe 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.140 they even said that you're not to run. 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:01.140 I don't know that. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.380 But I think you could, that was an unusual looking 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.970 play in that he did not run. And then the 0:06:06.010 --> 0:06:07.490 fact that he hung in under what you said, all 0:06:07.510 --> 0:06:09.450 the duress, all the hits that he was taking there. 0:06:10.029 --> 0:06:11.430 I mean, I lost count of actually how many, he 0:06:11.450 --> 0:06:14.400 threw it into the dog pound twice. And a couple 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.940 times into the benches. Tons of throwaways. Under pressure and 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:20.989 just smart play. So I think he hung in and 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.950 still ended up with 291 yards. And in theory, could have, 0:06:23.970 --> 0:06:26.599 should have led a... winning touchdown drive with over four 0:06:26.620 --> 0:06:27.500 minutes to go with Mechie. 0:06:27.660 --> 0:06:29.480 Dude, he still dropped some dimes, though. 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.820 There were some plays that he missed and decisions that 0:06:31.850 --> 0:06:34.469 it's like, oh, you had him. But stuff like that 0:06:34.510 --> 0:06:36.570 where I think his mind was a little messed up 0:06:36.610 --> 0:06:39.450 by the rush. But he still dropped some dimes. Those 0:06:39.510 --> 0:06:42.330 two back-to-back to Waller over the middle, some of those 0:06:42.370 --> 0:06:44.789 throws on the touchdown drive once Brad got him moving 0:06:44.810 --> 0:06:48.030 were great. He hit, again, those sideline routes he's been 0:06:48.050 --> 0:06:49.529 throwing so well. He hit a few of those. 0:06:49.730 --> 0:06:51.470 So like he's still in Tremaine. 0:06:51.490 --> 0:06:52.250 You had a couple good ones. 0:06:52.330 --> 0:06:55.540 Oh, Tremaine. And the deep ball was off. And maybe 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:56.140 I don't know. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.659 Maybe we were trying to force it. But like that 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.640 Tremaine pass was sick, man. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:00.920 Yeah. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:02.460 You don't have to get. And then, you know, Coker 0:07:02.500 --> 0:07:04.960 was not 100 percent. And then eventually the second injury 0:07:04.980 --> 0:07:07.060 for him. So. That chemistry has to be off when 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.500 you're not working with the starters you practiced with all 0:07:09.540 --> 0:07:11.580 week in those situations. So I think that could be 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:13.720 some communications and thoughts of like, what do you thought 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.320 the route might have been in those situations? But there, too, 0:07:16.700 --> 0:07:18.420 it's hard to pass when you can't run. I mean, 0:07:18.460 --> 0:07:20.940 you need some amount of balance. It's not about getting 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:22.810 stats and this and that. It's about you need some 0:07:22.850 --> 0:07:25.490 balance to make the defense have to take accountability for 0:07:25.510 --> 0:07:27.490 we got to hold off on the run. And we 0:07:27.550 --> 0:07:30.430 outside of the fourth quarter. Chuba got a couple, and 0:07:30.470 --> 0:07:32.690 then A.J. Dillon got a couple later in the game. 0:07:33.290 --> 0:07:35.130 But it was Chuba, the first 16 carries of the 0:07:35.170 --> 0:07:37.270 game were Chuba. There was no second running back, and 0:07:37.310 --> 0:07:38.970 that just wasn't going anywhere for most of that time. 0:07:38.990 --> 0:07:42.070 And then Dillon kind of got it going, you know, 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.640 with those two back-to-back runs. Then Chuba came in, then 0:07:44.740 --> 0:07:47.580 he kind of— Yeah, it does make you wonder if 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.100 Dylan should have been in there a little sooner. 0:07:49.140 --> 0:07:51.140 Just, you know, change of pace. Do I want to 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.190 say something positive or do I save that for next week? 0:07:53.500 --> 0:07:53.750 Uh-oh. 0:07:53.850 --> 0:07:54.450 I think it's time. 0:07:54.670 --> 0:07:56.070 Hey, tight ends looked good yesterday. 0:07:56.210 --> 0:07:56.550 They did. 0:07:56.550 --> 0:07:58.970 11 for 128, I think was the number that he said. 0:07:58.990 --> 0:07:59.210 Yeah. 0:07:59.390 --> 0:08:03.500 Tight ends. Tight ends. It was a concern entering the season. 0:08:03.740 --> 0:08:05.880 We saw more Waller, too. It wasn't just like a 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.160 red zone. He was out there, you know, first and ten. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.240 Mitchell Evans made some plays. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.760 Trumbull made some plays. 0:08:12.020 --> 0:08:14.220 I talked with him this week for the pregame show, 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.420 and I like the fact that we had some 13 0:08:16.420 --> 0:08:18.340 personnel at times. I go, when you're out there, it's 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.840 like the part about your role in this offense is 0:08:20.860 --> 0:08:22.020 like they don't know if you're going to block or 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.560 if you're going to be receiving tight end on play. 0:08:23.900 --> 0:08:25.930 And you need some of that because with Waller, he's 0:08:25.970 --> 0:08:29.410 basically a receiver. He's out there as a big receiver 0:08:29.490 --> 0:08:32.920 out there. With with Evans, it's a sneaky little extra thing. Like, 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:34.589 is he going to chip and then move out and 0:08:34.770 --> 0:08:35.969 throw the ball to him like we see with Greg 0:08:36.030 --> 0:08:37.770 Olson back in the day where you kind of like 0:08:38.150 --> 0:08:39.530 take it for a second, then go out into a 0:08:39.550 --> 0:08:42.670 pass route. But I think I like I like the 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.559 group collectively there as far as what they're able to 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.120 do and tremble, obviously, immediately make it a big catch 0:08:47.179 --> 0:08:49.280 in the game. I think he gets better every year, too. 0:08:49.830 --> 0:08:51.890 Just wasn't enough of anything. Again, it was just one 0:08:51.950 --> 0:08:53.809 of those games where one of the two teams had 0:08:53.830 --> 0:08:55.510 to not lose as much as the other one, more 0:08:55.530 --> 0:08:56.870 than it felt like somebody was going to win the game. 0:08:57.210 --> 0:09:00.090 We're talking to Jim Zoki. He was in the booth yesterday. 0:09:00.410 --> 0:09:03.100 Panthers Radio Network. We're getting our view from the booth. 0:09:03.420 --> 0:09:05.960 So we're getting a lot of questions about TMAC being 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:11.020 held to 2-for-17. And I heard Darren Waller, after the game, 0:09:11.620 --> 0:09:16.340 talk about... They clearly were scheming with other guys hurt 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:17.490 to kind of take him away. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.329 He also made an interesting point. 0:09:19.350 --> 0:09:21.850 He said, because Tyson Campbell, one of their top man 0:09:21.910 --> 0:09:23.450 corners along with Denzel Ward was out. 0:09:24.130 --> 0:09:26.010 He said he wasn't surprised to see. 0:09:25.890 --> 0:09:28.910 Them play a lot more zone than they did last 0:09:28.980 --> 0:09:31.040 week and that they're noted for. And I'll be damned 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.860 if I looked at Sumer Sports today. And they had 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.200 Cleveland with 62% zone. So I think we all thought, oh, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.800 this man is coming. And they played a ton of zone. 0:09:41.090 --> 0:09:42.370 I don't know if you all talked about in the 0:09:42.380 --> 0:09:44.450 booth what they were doing against TMAC and what they 0:09:44.490 --> 0:09:45.390 were doing defensively. 0:09:45.429 --> 0:09:45.870 There was a lot. 0:09:45.929 --> 0:09:48.730 I mean, clearly Denzel Ward was traveling side to side 0:09:48.890 --> 0:09:50.310 most of the time, not all the time with him. 0:09:50.350 --> 0:09:51.870 And then they had Blackman on Coker for a lot 0:09:51.890 --> 0:09:52.730 of the game in there, too. 0:09:53.230 --> 0:09:56.809 And again, that's why you can't be the same every week. 0:09:56.830 --> 0:09:59.690 The first week when Cleveland lost, they did a lot 0:09:59.730 --> 0:10:01.770 of zone. Last week against Tampa Bay, they switched to 0:10:01.790 --> 0:10:03.660 more man. And I think they're thinking, OK, we have 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.620 to play the chess matchup. Like, they're going to expect this. 0:10:05.700 --> 0:10:06.520 They're looking for man. 0:10:06.540 --> 0:10:08.859 We're going to trick it up with more zone there. 0:10:08.900 --> 0:10:11.179 But again, with Ward, I mean, this is a five-time 0:10:11.220 --> 0:10:14.069 Pro Bowl, I think future Hall of Famer. But I 0:10:14.090 --> 0:10:15.880 also think sometimes, too, it's like how you always have 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:19.040 your quarterback, like what's your best couple throws? What makes 0:10:19.059 --> 0:10:21.680 you most comfortable for success? I think sometimes you just 0:10:21.700 --> 0:10:23.380 have to scheme up. We're going to do some kind 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.600 of a route, a mesh concept or something to free 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.569 him up and get him the football because he's your 0:10:27.610 --> 0:10:30.589 best option in the receiving game. So I think that's 0:10:30.630 --> 0:10:33.290 the thing is like, could we have worked maybe harder to, yeah, 0:10:33.390 --> 0:10:34.829 he's a really good defender out there, but he's a 0:10:34.850 --> 0:10:37.270 good receiver and he's got the size advantage on him, 0:10:37.410 --> 0:10:40.020 make him somehow better. more available in some way to 0:10:40.059 --> 0:10:42.140 get the ball into his hands and then see if 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:43.820 he can get that part of the offense going. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:45.920 Like, I'm looking at it right now. Denzel Ward didn't 0:10:45.940 --> 0:10:48.959 go in the slot one time. And I'm looking at, so, okay, 0:10:48.980 --> 0:10:51.580 move T-Mac into the slot. Get that passed away from you. 0:10:52.059 --> 0:10:54.980 T-Mac was in the slot. Oh, I got the wrong 0:10:55.020 --> 0:10:56.780 page up. I'll have to look that up, Bone. But, like, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.340 that's one of the things I was thinking. Like, I 0:10:59.380 --> 0:11:02.400 know that they don't put Denzel in there. Did they 0:11:02.460 --> 0:11:05.430 not do enough of moving T-Mac in there? Like teams 0:11:05.450 --> 0:11:07.130 would do with Horn with us for years because they 0:11:07.170 --> 0:11:09.910 would know now he goes in there a little bit. 0:11:09.929 --> 0:11:11.970 But to get guys away from Horn, they would put 0:11:12.010 --> 0:11:12.810 guys in the slot. 0:11:13.250 --> 0:11:14.870 And we need to do more of that. Who's more 0:11:14.910 --> 0:11:17.330 locked up right now, T-Mac by Ward or Finney by 0:11:17.370 --> 0:11:17.850 his girlfriend? 0:11:20.950 --> 0:11:22.829 You act like Fiddy's not there to answer the question 0:11:22.850 --> 0:11:23.110 for himself. 0:11:23.130 --> 0:11:24.650 You don't hear from Fiddy much anymore either. It's kind 0:11:24.670 --> 0:11:25.610 of like T-Mac yesterday. 0:11:25.630 --> 0:11:29.640 Look, he's back there. I'm telling you, Fiddy, I am 0:11:29.700 --> 0:11:32.040 so proud of you. Maybe T-Mac was at the pumpkin patch. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.400 Fiddy is taking so many strides. As a human being, 0:11:36.179 --> 0:11:38.319 in the past, if he were, first of all, he 0:11:38.340 --> 0:11:40.449 wouldn't have a date in the past. But secondly, Fiddy, 0:11:40.570 --> 0:11:42.970 if you had a date on a Sunday night after 0:11:43.030 --> 0:11:46.270 a horrendously annoying Panther loss, you would have tanked the 0:11:46.290 --> 0:11:47.729 date and the woman would never have saw you again. 0:11:47.750 --> 0:11:50.210 Because she'd say, this dude's obsessed with football. He was 0:11:50.250 --> 0:11:51.130 a miserable human. 0:11:51.550 --> 0:11:53.610 But you said you went on this date and completely 0:11:53.650 --> 0:11:55.770 put it out of your mind. Fiddy, you are growing, 0:11:55.809 --> 0:11:56.290 my friend. 0:11:56.490 --> 0:11:57.070 Yeah, it's kind of. 0:11:57.050 --> 0:11:57.750 Scary, Mac. 0:11:57.790 --> 0:12:00.910 We went to this place in Matthews called, like, Activate. 0:12:01.650 --> 0:12:02.890 And it's a room where you have like a bunch 0:12:02.910 --> 0:12:05.480 of different activities. And for three hours, I forgot about 0:12:05.510 --> 0:12:07.260 the Panthers couldn't block, couldn't tackle. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:08.359 God, that's what it is. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.400 How bad of a broadcaster Mark Schlereth is. But then 0:12:11.460 --> 0:12:14.800 four o'clock came. I woke up ready to bitch. 0:12:16.340 --> 0:12:20.520 He rallied late. Just like Deshaun Watson, he rallied late. 0:12:21.970 --> 0:12:22.280 God. 0:12:22.380 --> 0:12:25.250 And then the way that we, this Cleveland Deshaun love 0:12:25.309 --> 0:12:28.090 fest that we created is It's like we had a chance. 0:12:28.110 --> 0:12:29.709 They were booing him in the third quarter. 0:12:29.850 --> 0:12:32.010 How about when he goes out hurt for that play? 0:12:32.410 --> 0:12:34.350 Or not hurt, but like we hit him on that 0:12:34.390 --> 0:12:36.270 roughing and he has to go out because he was down. 0:12:36.830 --> 0:12:38.510 And they bring in Shador and they're cheering the heck 0:12:38.530 --> 0:12:40.570 out of Shador. They're booing Watson when he comes back in. 0:12:40.870 --> 0:12:43.309 He immediately throws the touchdown pass. 0:12:43.750 --> 0:12:44.210 I'm like. 0:12:44.290 --> 0:12:46.130 He was being booed during the game-winning drive. 0:12:46.250 --> 0:12:48.990 I know. And you couldn't take advantage of it, Bone. 0:12:49.050 --> 0:12:50.750 At the end of the game, Deshaun's like, I. 0:12:50.690 --> 0:12:52.190 Love you, Cleveland! 0:12:52.230 --> 0:12:55.340 This is for you, Cleveland! I'm like, we... We did 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.660 that crap. We created that harmony. Is that a first? 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.920 A guy being booed on the game-winning drive and then 0:13:00.940 --> 0:13:01.600 he wins the game? 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.080 It's like they didn't know how to react. 0:13:04.140 --> 0:13:06.459 Because usually when you get to the game-winning drive part 0:13:06.500 --> 0:13:08.090 of it, you're not being booed anymore. 0:13:08.350 --> 0:13:10.329 He was still being booed in the game-winning drive. Making plays, 0:13:10.390 --> 0:13:12.689 still being booed. And by the end of the day, though, Zoke, 0:13:13.030 --> 0:13:14.929 let's go Watson. Oh, yeah. 0:13:14.950 --> 0:13:17.050 There was a let's go Watson chant. They're like, ah, 0:13:17.090 --> 0:13:17.550 what the hell? 0:13:17.570 --> 0:13:19.630 I mean, in Cleveland, if you were alive, if O.J. 0:13:19.650 --> 0:13:21.440 Simpson ran in for a touchdown, they would have cheered him. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:21.800 Like, hey, O.J. 0:13:23.420 --> 0:13:26.900 So desperate for wins. Hey, that glove didn't say it. Oh, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.990 my gosh. There's so many frustrating avenues. Zoke, you don't 0:13:32.010 --> 0:13:33.670 have to do this anymore, but we're here for another 0:13:33.710 --> 0:13:33.910 two hours. 0:13:33.929 --> 0:13:35.540 I'm just glad Fitty's in a good place. At least 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:36.490 there's some positive on him. 0:13:36.500 --> 0:13:38.959 Are you all happy for Fitty or no? Probably not. 0:13:38.980 --> 0:13:40.370 Not today. Maybe tomorrow. 0:13:40.380 --> 0:13:40.900 Maybe tomorrow. 0:13:40.970 --> 0:13:43.270 All right, Zoke. Thank you, brother.