WEBVTT - Tony Katz on Flock Cameras

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<v Speaker 1>Live from vall Hartband and the Crossroads of America. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Katz today. The deal is so close you can

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<v Speaker 1>almost taste it. A deal with Iran and Oman and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Strait of Hormuz and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate the fact that I have to start this way,

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<v Speaker 2>but I got to assume more. The lack thereof is

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<v Speaker 2>the top story.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it is Abdullah l said, being the tough guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so adorable. He is precious, he really is. He's

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<v Speaker 2>like having your very own TAMAGATCHI don't forget to feed him.

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<v Speaker 2>Or there's Tucker Carlson with his ten point declaration of

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<v Speaker 2>what a political party in America should be, which sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of things we would say, except of course,

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<v Speaker 2>without the insanity of Marjorie Taylor Green. Tony Katz, Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Katz today, an absolute pleasure to be with you. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to get into what he said, because it's the

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<v Speaker 2>funny thing is that I think Tucker doesn't understand how

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<v Speaker 2>he's coming across. And I am more and more convinced

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<v Speaker 2>that the marketplace for his madness is slight, very very slight,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly who he is picked to align himself with

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<v Speaker 2>puts in the same position. Certainly when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of war, certainly comes to what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with Iran, there are people who want to scream America first,

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<v Speaker 2>with all due respect, If taking out a terrorist that's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to kill you isn't America first, I'm not exactly sure.

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<v Speaker 3>What is Marjorie Taylor Green.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I repeat myself, No serious political anything is done with.

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<v Speaker 3>Marjorie Taylor Green, none. Zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Tucker has still has the opportunity to be taken seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>far more seriously than her. But you're gonna align with her, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Sure, we're gonna spend even less time thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about you. I'm gonna get into that. I will get

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<v Speaker 2>into the tough guy commentary of Abdul al Sayid, because

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<v Speaker 2>if he thinks that the issue is nobody can pronounce

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<v Speaker 2>abdra Chran, well that's not the issue. The issue is

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not you're an Islamo Marxist, whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>you have connections to care. The Council of American Islamic Relations,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a front group for the Muslim Brotherhood, as

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<v Speaker 2>said by the UAE designated a terrorist group by Florida

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<v Speaker 2>and Texas, and oh, by the way, not a very

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<v Speaker 2>good group of people as Islamist apologists my take on

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<v Speaker 2>that one. They may disagree, but you're gonna complain about APAC.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh honey, kit and boo boo, and then you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get tough with Mike Rogers, the Republican running. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into that too. But can I start not even with

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on with the RAN because there's nothing really

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<v Speaker 2>to report. It's the same as it ever was, and

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<v Speaker 2>the oil prices are showing this.

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<v Speaker 3>We're actually up this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when I was doing my morning show, we were

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<v Speaker 2>at seventy five dollars a barrel. Now we're at seventy

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<v Speaker 2>seven dollars a barrel midday. The Brent crude was just

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<v Speaker 2>at about eighty now is at.

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<v Speaker 3>Eighty two thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>The Brench crew is what comes out of the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're seeing a tick up.

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<v Speaker 3>But put that to the side, as well. Can we

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<v Speaker 3>agree The.

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<v Speaker 2>One thing in American society can we agree on, please?

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<v Speaker 2>Is f the flock cameras say that, right, Parducier Landing,

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<v Speaker 2>Can I get a ruling?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, as long as the last three letters do not

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<v Speaker 3>get spelled.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, as long as the last three letters not get spelled.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the flock camera, Oh that one? Yes, Oh that

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<v Speaker 3>I can say.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I did it right, Yeah, yeah, I got

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<v Speaker 2>it confused.

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<v Speaker 3>That could have just been terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a story out of NewsNation Newsnationnow dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>All eight flock cameras, according to the Wenona Police Department, Winona, Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 2>all eight of them which are next to the Wisconsin border.

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<v Speaker 2>We're missing. Somebody stole all eight flock cameras. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>do not condone the theft, and that is wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>But let us discuss the American discussed of the flock camera.

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<v Speaker 3>So what is a flock camera? Great?

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<v Speaker 2>Great, great, great question. This is the idea of surveillance.

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<v Speaker 2>So if flock safety is the website flocksafety dot com

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<v Speaker 2>clear evidence, safer, communities, privacy first, and it reads their

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<v Speaker 2>website right there on their page, flock connects communities, businesses

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<v Speaker 2>and public safety. So incidents may be understood clearly and

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<v Speaker 2>decisions can be made on facts.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I should be clear that what.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to discuss has nothing to do specifically with

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<v Speaker 2>the company Flock. I don't know much about the actual company.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind a company being in business. These are

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<v Speaker 2>not the things that I concern myself with, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are not the only company that is in this business.

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<v Speaker 2>There is also a company called is it a lawn aln?

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<v Speaker 3>That does this picture the scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to keep your community safe, You want to

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<v Speaker 2>keep an eye on things, so you work with a

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<v Speaker 2>group like flock and they install cameras all around your

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<v Speaker 2>city and that allows the local police department to keep the.

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<v Speaker 3>Better eye on things.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if there's a criminal on the loose, or

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<v Speaker 2>if someone's doing this, that or the other, the police

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<v Speaker 2>can handle it and we can stop the crimes. When

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<v Speaker 2>a private business does this, I have zero issue with

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<v Speaker 2>it whatsoever. So I work with a group, right, I

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<v Speaker 2>work with a group called Who's Your Security?

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<v Speaker 3>I do work with them. I'm very clear about this.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a website Catchthebadguys dot com, which their entire

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<v Speaker 2>world is how do you utilize as a matter of fact, Armando,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a call, how do you utilize your camera

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<v Speaker 2>like your existing security camera with their AI tech? And

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<v Speaker 2>the philosophy is, why can't we stop the crime while

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<v Speaker 2>it's happening? Really before it gets going, so we can

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<v Speaker 2>actually arrest somebody instead of having a camera saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>look there's the guy who robbed me stole all my stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>you could actually do something about it. I have zero

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<v Speaker 2>issue with that whatsoever. On the private level, none, absolutely none.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've got like tools that you can get for

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of thing, and trailers you can rent, like

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<v Speaker 2>if you have like like car lots or construction sites

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that. Totally fine, absolutely fine. The prime

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<v Speaker 2>if you have home security and you have cameras, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I have cameras, of course I do. I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that government comes and knock and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>can we get access to your footage. Oh that's where

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<v Speaker 2>it starts to get weird. I am discussing the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of government surveilling the citizenry, no matter how it is described.

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<v Speaker 3>In the end, what is happening is.

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<v Speaker 2>That local governments are utilizing these cameras and putting these

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<v Speaker 2>cameras up, and oh, the police departments love them. They're

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<v Speaker 2>surveiling the citizen ry. Where I happen to live, the mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>she's lovely, by the way, I like her. On a

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<v Speaker 2>great number of subjects. She's wrong on this. The police

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<v Speaker 2>department is thrilled with these cameras. They were able to

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<v Speaker 2>catch three people who were wanted from a county just

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<v Speaker 2>below us.

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<v Speaker 3>The only way to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is if you are surveiling all the people who are

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<v Speaker 2>walking down Main Street and where I live quite literally

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<v Speaker 2>Main Street, right, That's the only way it can happen.

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<v Speaker 2>The government has absolutely no right to surveil the citizen,

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<v Speaker 2>and no citizen should think a rational society has surveillance.

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<v Speaker 2>China has surveillance, NonStop cameras and all plays at all times.

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<v Speaker 3>They have what.

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<v Speaker 2>Are referred to as social credit scores. Do you smile enough?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you pick up that piece of garbage?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if your social credit score isn't high enough, no

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<v Speaker 2>travel for you, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Opportunities for you.

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<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, you get less your rights

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<v Speaker 2>to the extent that you can have a right in

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<v Speaker 2>a communist nation, whether that be in all of China

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<v Speaker 2>or in Manhattan under Bondani, they get.

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<v Speaker 3>Taken from you because you are not acting appropriately and

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<v Speaker 3>the camera is watching. That is some Philip K. Dick

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<v Speaker 3>kind of low class stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That is gross, ugly beyond the pale obscenity. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the last thing a society should want. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to know the real last thing a society should want.

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<v Speaker 2>What that happens when a society tries to equalize.

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<v Speaker 3>Out in certain ways.

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<v Speaker 2>You should read Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut. You can

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<v Speaker 2>actually see the movie with Julie Haggerty.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's George c. Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a short film. It'll turn, it'll turn your stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>But neither here nor there on this subject. We do

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<v Speaker 2>not want a society where we are surveiled. And I

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<v Speaker 2>will have this conversation with anybody in law enforcement anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>at any time, whether you're a police officer, whether you're

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<v Speaker 2>a police chief, whether you're a sheriff, whether you're FBI retired.

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<v Speaker 2>I start with a baseline. It is not the job

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<v Speaker 2>of the citizen to make easier the job of law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>When I say easier, I am saying that my rights

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<v Speaker 2>do not get abused, misused, or taken, so it is

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<v Speaker 2>easier for law enforce.

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<v Speaker 3>Not now.

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<v Speaker 2>Not Ever, The answer is no, I understand the role

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<v Speaker 2>of police. I'm not a defund the police guy. Was

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<v Speaker 2>it Bernie Sanders who.

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<v Speaker 3>Just said.

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<v Speaker 1>That? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Serious democrat is talking about defunding the police. Oh, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got this to Oh, it's gonna kill me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna find it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Bertie just said that, no serious democrat is

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<v Speaker 2>talking about defunding the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Adorable. Of course they are, and of course they want to.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm also not going to have a conversation about

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<v Speaker 2>putting my rights up for grabs or up for debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a right to privacy in the public square.

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<v Speaker 2>We've answered that question really in America by saying no.

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<v Speaker 2>If my eyes can see you, you're not private, and

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<v Speaker 2>a recording device can be seen as nothing more than

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<v Speaker 2>your eyes. Now I'm paraphrasing this, but I I have

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<v Speaker 2>the general concept right that is of the private citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>If I am going to name the restaurant and someone

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<v Speaker 2>has decided that they're going to take my picture and

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<v Speaker 2>post it, oh look, Tony Katz went here.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, that's weird. But secondly, they can do that.

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<v Speaker 3>They can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's different than whether your government should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. Your government being restricted is what is so great.

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<v Speaker 3>That is what matters most.

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<v Speaker 2>When President Obama complained about the Constitution, he complained that

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<v Speaker 2>it was a charter of negative rights. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>negative charter, which is to say that the Constitution, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were to give it a read, talks about what

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<v Speaker 2>government cannot do to you.

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<v Speaker 3>It does not.

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<v Speaker 2>Discuss what government must do for you. I always thought

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<v Speaker 2>that was a very frightening and ugly thing for him

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<v Speaker 2>to say. It is really a great example of how

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<v Speaker 2>diametrically opposed I am to that philosophy. I do not

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<v Speaker 2>want my government to do for me outside of Article one,

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<v Speaker 2>Section eight, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare,

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<v Speaker 2>right solid.

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<v Speaker 3>Do I want them to have a military? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I want a government as small and as lean

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<v Speaker 2>as possible doing the basics, Yes, I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything else should be up to me.

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<v Speaker 2>What with the tenth Amendment ensuring that the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the rights are mine that are not actually laid out

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<v Speaker 2>there within the Bill of Rights or within the Constitution itself,

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<v Speaker 2>it belongs to us. Restraining the government was the whole point,

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<v Speaker 2>and Barack Obama, the wait for it, constitutional scholar, seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have missed them. He missed the points of the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like reading the New Testament being like so so like,

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<v Speaker 2>who is this Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>Guy, again, you have missed the point.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not, if you can read that not under

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution is about constraining government. It is about amplifying

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<v Speaker 2>the concepts of liberty now in and of itself. If

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<v Speaker 2>we have a constitution that we are saying that freedom,

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<v Speaker 2>absolute freedom, pure freedom is not the thing we were

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<v Speaker 2>going for.

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<v Speaker 3>We are going for a rule of law.

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<v Speaker 2>We're looking for the maximum amounts of liberty, which means

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<v Speaker 2>by definition, a level of guardrails. And we keep those guardrails,

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<v Speaker 2>and we keep them as wide away from each other possible.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a liberty society. That's the society I favor. Governments

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<v Speaker 2>can't track you. If they could track you on the

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<v Speaker 2>street just because they put up the cameras well, then

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to the idea of search, Whatever happened to

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of the Fourth Amendment, whatever happened to the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of a warrant. They're already keeping tabs on you,

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<v Speaker 2>keeping tabs in the location. And we have seen the

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<v Speaker 2>videos out.

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<v Speaker 3>There, a police officer saying we know when you left town,

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<v Speaker 3>we know when you came back, we know what you did.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that right? And the worst is the officer acts

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<v Speaker 3>like a total scumbag.

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<v Speaker 2>In the videos, which must be something they train, because

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<v Speaker 2>no real person should ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Act like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there in Wyoda, Minnesota, they tore down the flock

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<v Speaker 2>cameras to stop this surveillance. You can't condone the law

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<v Speaker 2>breaking of the vandalism there. But should you vote out

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<v Speaker 2>people who want the flock cameras that? Should you vote

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<v Speaker 2>remove them?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>And should you vote for any any politico who wants

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<v Speaker 2>to install them? No? No, you should not keep it here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Tony Katz today,