1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear a lot more about Indiana in this 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: redistricting fight, because they did hold the special sash when 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: they started it. Literally today and they put out what 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: could be the new congressional map, and oh, good lord, 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: it is something else. Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, good 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: to be with you. What I don't know is what 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: were people expecting perfectly drawn nine squares. First of all, 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Indiana can't be drawn into nine squares, and because we 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: have nine districts, nine squares. And secondly, that's not how 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: any district is drawn nowhere in the country, meaning there's 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: always something an extra street here, an extra move it 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: over to the river. There no, no, no, we want 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: this group over here. Districts are not drawn based on fairness. 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: They're drawn based on power. You take the census, you 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: draw a district. But there is no rule that says. 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: You can only draw once. 17 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: State legislators can draw districts every two years if they choose, well, 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: the courts won't let them. Maybe the courts are a 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 1: little bit activist because the decision on districts doesn't belong 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: to the courts. It belongs to the state legislatures. And me, 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: I want the state legislatures to have power, which is 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: why I want to get rid of the direct election 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: of SENATORSCT. 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: Go ahead, search it. 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: Direct election of senators. This is the seventeenth Amendment to 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: the United States Constitution. The Senate of the United States 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: shall be composed of two Senators from each state, elected 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: by the people thereof for six years, and each Senator 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: shall have one vote. Nonsense. Senators prior to this were 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: selected by the state legislatures exactly as they should be, 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: so they are more responsive to the state and less 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: responsive to the whims of the mob, which is to say, 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: we the people. 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: That's what we have a house of representatives for. 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: You want to vote for the members of your state legislature, 36 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: who would then choose a senator to do. 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: The work for the state in the US Senate. That's 38 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: what you want. 39 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: The direct election of senators has made things a hot mess. 40 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: This was nineteen thirteen. We have not been doing good work, 41 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. We did not do well with the 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: direct election of senators. It was a mistake, a mistake. 43 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: Of the highest order. 44 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: But I want legislators being the ones who draw the 45 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: maps and then the people if they don't like the 46 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: map can vote up members of the legislature. Exactly what 47 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: I said about Texas and their redistricting. I absolutely oppose 48 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: these independent commissions that decide where the boundaries are. No, no, no, 49 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: Progressives decide where the boundaries are. Then they put in 50 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: these independent commissions to keep the boundaries exactly where they 51 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: want them. 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: It was all a power play. All politics is a 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: power play. 54 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people talking about Indiana 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: and other states saying, well, this is just a power 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: grap Yeah, grow up, Yes it is. You vote for 57 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: a party, you vote for a philosophy, that philosophy wins, 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: that philosophy gets to take hold, and then yes, you 59 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: utilize the power. I don't know what's wrong with people. Well, Tony, 60 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: it's unseemly. Oh okay, well that's about your emotional state. 61 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: I didn't say you couldn't say it was unseemly. But 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: it's not illegal, it's not immoral, it's not wrong. Just 63 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: isn't Now will it work well and guarantee that you'll 64 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: get more electoral victories or or legislative not legislative congressional victories. 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. Everything's a crapshoot. Always, but I have no. 66 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Issue with redistricting at all in any way, it came 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: out with this new map. This new map is a 68 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: bit of everywhere, and people are gonna be like, oh, 69 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. I don't know what they thought they 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: were gonna get, but people feigning outrages, you know, part 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: of what social media is for. But there's been a 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: lot of back and forth about this, and it really 73 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: got national because of a representative, I should say, a 74 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: state senator in Indiana by the name of Mike Bohatchick. 75 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Now I do not know Senator Bahatchick. What I've learned 76 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: about Senator Bohatchick is that Senator Bohachick was a Democrat 77 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: before he became a Republican to run for the state Senate. 78 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: What I do know about Bohatchick. 79 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: Is that his wife works for an organization that went 80 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: to Congressman Frank ravan Democrat who right now represents the 81 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: first District of Indiana, and received one and a half 82 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: million dollars in federal funding for this organization. I don't 83 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: even question whether or it's a good organization or not. 84 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: But now here's the state senator not in favor of 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: redistricting and his district would get cut up in this 86 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: new map, and his wife was the beneficiary in a 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: roundabout way or in toto of one and a half 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: million dollars. I'm not saying she got one and a 89 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: half million. I'm saying the organization that she works at did. 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: That's an issue, and that is absolutely worthy conversation. You 91 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: can discuss that, you can question whether or not that 92 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: plays into this, but the real story here is that 93 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: Bohatchick is a no and there are definitely some no votes. 94 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: And you know, our job is to persuade these people 95 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: to be a yes, not threatened, not cajole, not attack, 96 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: persuade through the argument, which is what I've been trying 97 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: to do. It's a very hoosier way to do things. 98 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: And these people, these influencers who have been coming from 99 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: the outside with the screaming and the yelling looking so 100 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: so ridiculous. It doesn't work here. It hasn't moved the 101 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: needle at all. You want a great example of this, 102 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: it's the post is no longer available. It's turning point USA. 103 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: Tyler Boyer Bowyer put out a post saying We're going 104 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: to rally to move redichriting over the line and Indiana's 105 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: we need you now. You might not be from Indiana, 106 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: but everybody who is just yelled at their radio. I'm sorry, Tony, 107 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: did you just say Indiana's. 108 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 109 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: He referred to the people who live in Indiana as Indiana's. 110 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: People in Indiana referred to themselves as Hoosier's. Now you 111 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: say to me, yeah, but Tony, it's a simple mistake. No, 112 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: it's not a simple mistake. It is an unforced error 113 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: of magnitudes of stupidity, because no one at Turning Point, 114 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: USA took five minutes to make a phone call. Are 115 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: you telling me I'm such a hard guy to find? 116 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: Are you telling me any of my contemporaries are hard 117 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: people to find? Are you telling me you couldn't have 118 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: done five minutes of research to find out what the 119 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: people of Indiana are called? 120 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: To make sure you don't stay up all over here? 121 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 2: You know what? 122 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: Embarrassing, pathetic, ridiculous, And if you're messaging to the people here, 123 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: you got to learn how to message to the people here. 124 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: All they're screwing up left and right. These influencers are 125 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: not interested, in my view, in actually getting the redistricting done. 126 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: They're interested in their fiefdom, they're interested in the look 127 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: at me, They're interested in a clique. I find very 128 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: few influencers to be of anything of influence. I do 129 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: find many of them to be total schmucks. But you know, 130 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: all I could say is I can read what they're 131 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: writing and see for myself, so can you. They're damn fools. Unbelievable. 132 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: I favor redistricting. This brings us back to Bohatchick. Bohatchick 133 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: puts out a post that reads, many of you have 134 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: asked my position on redistricting. I'd an unapologetic advocate for 135 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: people with intellectual disabilities since the birth of my second daughter. 136 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: Those of you that don't know me or my family 137 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: might not know that my daughter has Down syndrome. 138 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: This is not the first time our president has used 139 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: these insulting and derogatory references, and his choices of words 140 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: have consequences. 141 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: I will be voting no on redistricting. Perhaps he can use. 142 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: The next ten months to convince voters that his policies 143 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: and behavior deserve a congressional majority. 144 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: What in the world's happened? 145 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: Well? 146 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: Donald Trump was talking about Governor Tim Walls and used 147 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 2: the R word to mean that he is. 148 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: Mentally incapable, mentally disabled. Right now, I have no fear 149 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: of words here, but my stations deal with different rules 150 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: and regulations. 151 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: And I try my best to respect them. 152 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: But I will play for you what happened on Air 153 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: Force one when President Trump was asked about it, where 154 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: the words are used, and I'm going to play it 155 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: straight so that I'm just I guess I'm letting you know. 156 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: Walls and you called him of what many Americans do 157 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: find an offensive word, retarded. Do you stand by that 158 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: claim of calling the Walls retarded? 159 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's something wrong with him, absolutely not sure. 160 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: You don't need you have a problem with you know what. 161 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: I think there's something wrong with him, anybody that would 162 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: do what he did, anybody that would allow those people 163 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: into his state and pay billions of dollars to sama 164 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 3: Yet we give billions of dollars to Samoa. It's not 165 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: even a country because it doesn't function like a country. 166 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: It's got a name, but it doesn't function like a country. Yeah, 167 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 3: there's something wrong with wolves. 168 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: I agree that there is something wrong with wolves, and 169 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: I can agree that you may not like the choice 170 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: of words you may find it offensive and wrong, which 171 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: is how I responded. 172 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: To Senator Bahatchick. 173 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: If you missed the video, which when a good bit 174 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: of viral, it was this representative no matter how much 175 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: you feel insulted by the words of President Trump, and 176 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: you're more than entitled to your position to therefore vote 177 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: know on redistricting is simply wrong. 178 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: Coming from an emotional place as opposed. 179 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: To a rational place is not what you were voted 180 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: in to do. It's not what Hoosiers actually expect or want. 181 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: You can have a response to President Trump. You can 182 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: say he's wrong for the use of his words. You 183 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: could talk about your own personal family life and how 184 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: much you despise that kind of word and that kind 185 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: of language. 186 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: You're more than welcome to do so. 187 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: But making a decision on redistricting has to do with 188 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: certainly power, certainly where the Republican Party has the power 189 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: in the state of Indiana, and taking a look at 190 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: the board what it is that Hoosier's never mind, Americans 191 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: are looking at without redistricting. 192 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: There is a value here. 193 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: It is important, and we need to engage it rationally. 194 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: There's an opportunity we should take it to take a 195 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: look at the whole board to take a look at 196 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: the retribution of California, Maryland and other states and say, 197 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: we in Indiana will not have this. Hoosiers will not 198 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: tolerate this. That you are insulted, should not and cannot 199 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: play a part in how you go about voting. You, sir, 200 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: are wrong. You're playing a game of emotion, and that's 201 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: what Democrats do. That isn't why you were voted in. 202 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: This is a mistake. You're making a mistake. I'm not 203 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: saying you have to do it because you like President 204 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: Trump or like what he had to say. I am 205 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: saying that redistricting is a value to Hoosiers and to America, 206 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: and you should be a vote in favor of it. 207 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: To say you're not voting for it for something else, 208 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: President Trump said, that's wrong, that's emotional. 209 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: That's not what we voted for, and that in and. 210 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: Of itself should deserve a primary challenge that you should 211 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: not be surprised comes your way. You vote, not with 212 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: your emotion, you vote rationally, So take the time rethink it. 213 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: I hope you come to the decision to vote for redistricting. 214 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: I hope he does too. He doesn't have to I 215 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: can't force him to. But the idea that you're going 216 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: to vote based on something President Trump said about something 217 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: else is indeed emotional, and I want to make sure 218 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: that we're clear that that is the part that's disqualifying. 219 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: If he simply wanted to say I'm not in favor 220 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: of this, I'm not in favor of this map, he 221 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: could have voted. 222 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: No, he might not lose his seat. 223 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: But when you say I'm going to vote emotionally, and 224 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: that's going to teach Donald Trump a lesson, that's garbage. 225 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: People want to discuss the idea we shouldn't redistrict because 226 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: we should respect the citizens and the people, and they're 227 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: speaking out for center or a hatchet. It's not about 228 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: the citizens. It's not about his constituents. It isn't it's 229 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: about his feelings. Now, I said, and I'll say again, 230 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: If Sena Bahtchick wants to discuss this, I will discuss this. 231 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: If he wants to. 232 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: Get personal, I will get personal. I guarantee I can 233 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: match him personal for personal. You cannot get me to 234 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: move emotionally on this subject. And I have my reasons, 235 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: and one day I may. 236 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: Very well share them. 237 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: Some things I don't share, guys, because I believe somehow 238 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: in sharing it, I'm actually denigrating the actual argument. And 239 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: I believe that the argument should in and of itself 240 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: have value. Meaning just because something is personal to me 241 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: doesn't make that thing correct, doesn't make my argument or 242 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: my point of view correct. It has to be correct 243 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: without the emotional part of it. That's how I work. 244 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I hope Indianay districts. I hope they utilize the power 245 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: that was given to them by the people when Republicans 246 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: won here and have a supermajority. But people who aren't 247 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: going to vote for something because Trump said something they 248 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: don't like and they want to act on emotion. I 249 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: can't support that, and I don't think you should either. 250 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm Tony Katz, and this as Tony Katz today.