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Speaker 1: Steve Alford has won seven hundred and twenty four games

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Speaker 1: as ahead basketball coach. Of course, the nineteen eighty seven

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Speaker 1: national champion in the nineteen eighty three Indiana Mister Basketball,

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Speaker 1: and now back in Indiana for the Final Four to

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Speaker 1: accept the Keys to Life Award, which is the Coach

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Speaker 1: Wooden Keys to Life Award. It is presented annually to

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Speaker 1: a member of the college or professional basketball community who

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Speaker 1: quote lives out qualities exemplified by coach John Wooden outstanding character, integrity,

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Speaker 1: and leadership on the court, in the workplace, in the home,

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Speaker 2: He joins us now on the guest line. Coach.

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Speaker 1: First off, congratulations because not only does that resonate in

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Speaker 1: terms of what that award means, but I would imagine

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Speaker 1: for you special as well because of your deep connections

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question I appreciate that very much. It's

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Speaker 3: a very humbling honor. It's something that's a vi I've

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Speaker 3: been going through, going to at the Final Four for

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Speaker 3: over three decades, and I appreciate the relationship I've had

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Speaker 3: with athletes and action and what they've meant along the

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Speaker 3: lines to my faith and players that I've coached and

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Speaker 3: staff that I've had on my coaching staff, what they've done,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of effort that goes into that. So

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Speaker 3: I'm very appreciative athletes and action. Then obviously with Coach

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Speaker 3: Wooden's name on it, my first four years of Great

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Speaker 3: Schools in Martinsville, so I learned very early who John

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Speaker 3: Wooden was and what was he about. And then as

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Speaker 3: crazy circles go to then be coaching at UCLA down

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Speaker 3: To be honored in any way, shape or form with

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Speaker 3: his name on an award is very very special, you

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Speaker 3: know when you look at all of the things there

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Speaker 3: that are mentioned within that right, and you know obviously

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Speaker 3: playing for your dad and seeing you know your dad

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Speaker 3: as a high school coach and all the way through.

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Speaker 2: But I'm curious, if you go.

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Speaker 1: Back and look Steve Alford at your career, which aspect

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Speaker 1: what age range would you say that the characteristics about

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Speaker 3: A lot of question and a great question, A deep question,

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Speaker 3: just because I've always felt, and I think as you

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Speaker 3: get older, you since those things probably a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: I've always had a huge appreciation of the coaches that

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Speaker 3: so much to me. Obviously, it started in elementary school,

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Speaker 3: my dad in high school. And I've always felt Dad's

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Speaker 3: been my coach forever. So the foundation of the game,

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Speaker 3: the disciplines, I think those things my dad is always

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Speaker 3: instilled than me and to this day continues to and

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Speaker 3: then obviously coach Knight, you know, just the preparations, the film,

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Speaker 3: the intense film that you go through. I think that

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Speaker 3: Gary Grant at Michigan was probably the hardest guy I

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Speaker 3: And those are things that really don't happen a whole

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Speaker 3: So coach and I just took it, I think, to

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Speaker 3: Don Nelson. I just I was around some not just

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Speaker 3: It gave me a pretty good blueprint of how I

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Speaker 3: I'm in year thirty just completed year thirty five, and

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Speaker 3: we had notebooks when I was at Indiana, and every

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Speaker 3: they completed a year with me. So it's you take

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Speaker 3: a lot from the guys that mean the most from you,

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Speaker 1: I remember speaking to Gary Grant in eighty seven. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one of the few times. We talk

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Speaker 3: just to go walk down, shake hands the head coach,

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Speaker 3: And I can remember I wasn't on the bench very often,

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Speaker 3: And then that we had to come back out for

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Speaker 1: I mean it seems like yesterday to me at times

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Speaker 1: What about the Steve Alford when you look back, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, Final four weekend when you're coming back. I

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Speaker 1: know it's kind of a coach's convention when you come

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Speaker 1: or do you recall more so the trip to New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: player memories come up, because our first two rounds are

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Speaker 3: and it's Indianapolis, And so I think anytime it's in

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I mentioned this earlier.

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Speaker 1: Steve Alford is my guest, the head basketball coach of

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Speaker 1: me leaning in while you're signing my sports illustrated. Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: not by coincidence. Here we have the exact same haircut.

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Speaker 1: of this is by design because I was one of

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Speaker 1: Steve Alford, right, And the reason I bring that up.

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Speaker 1: If NIL had existed fifty years, you know, for the

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Speaker 3: Well, I was very blessed and that I went from

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Speaker 3: So you would think those things might mirror that. But

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Speaker 3: I played for coach Knight and there was nobody on

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Speaker 3: our team that was going to get any money from AIL.

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Speaker 3: If Coach Knight is the coach, it would be donated

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Speaker 3: to the library fund. It would be donated somewhere on

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Speaker 3: sure coach, And there's probably several coaches I'd think about

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Speaker 1: Because I'm going to be honest with you, Steve, if

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Speaker 1: Sam Alford had come up with the Big Baller B

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Speaker 1: pop in nineteen eighty seven, I would have waited in

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Speaker 2: The offered Big Baller brand shoes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you, right, the feathered hair,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, LeVar Ball has probably got that lane. So, like

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Speaker 3: Levart says, we got to stay in our own lane.

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Speaker 3: So I got to stay in my own lane.

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Speaker 1: The reason I asked that is because you know now

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. And I've spent a lot

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Speaker 3: it's impossible to have three hundred and sixty schools. Look

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Speaker 1: You'd always see it on television. They'd show it like

436
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 1: every other IU game, your childhood driveway backboard that had

437
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: I don't know who painted it, but it had the

438
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: IU logo, the Newcastle Trojan and the Olympic rings on

439
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: it. It was beautiful, right, And I pull up and I

440
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: realized that your folks don't live there anymore.

441
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,479
Speaker 2: But I pull up and the hoop is gone.

442
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: And then I thought, well, that should be in the

443
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: hall of Fame, the Indian Hall of Fame in Newcastle

444
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: or something. And it was the disappointment of me the

445
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: same level about the Hope Diamond. Who in the world

446
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: took the basketball hoop out? And did you get first

447
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: right of refusal to purchase it?

448
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not sure it managers up to

449
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: the Hope Diamond. I do appreciate that, and it is

450
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 3: there is a sacrilegious thing obviously going on. Because one

451
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: not just because it was my backboard, my brother in

452
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 3: law painted it, and then my grandfather laid the foundation

453
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 3: because he was a prick mason, and in the concrete.

454
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: So I had the most leveled driveway. It was exactly

455
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: ten foot high and I've spent a lot of time

456
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,479
Speaker 3: on that. So when it went down, I was very,

457
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: very disappointed in that. But the secondly, not to have

458
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: a goal on your driveway. That makes no sense. If

459
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 3: you live in Indiana, there should be a hoop up

460
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 3: on your driveway. So but it's carried me through to

461
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: all my places. I've been very blessed wherever I've been,

462
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: but we've had a hoop just about everywhere. And part

463
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: of when we look for a new home, there's got

464
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 3: to be a level driveway. And a lot of these

465
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 3: realtors outside of Indiana don't understand the meaning of that.

466
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 3: But if you're in Indiana, like it says in forty

467
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: nine states, it's one thing. Indiana is a little different.

468
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you whoever like it should have been

469
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: actually a requirement when purchasing the home. You're purchasing the

470
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: home and the backboard. There is no discussion allowed.

471
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: It's got a state.

472
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no discussion allow. Well listen, coach.

473
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time and welcome back to Indiana obviously

474
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: anytime you're back, but also congratulations on a well deserved

475
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: award when it comes to the athletes and action in

476
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: John Wooden and I know what both of those mean

477
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: to you, so certainly soak it all up and enjoy

478
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: the weekend.

479
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: I appreciate so much. Thanks for having me on. God

480
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: blessings you and the family appreciate it.

481
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: Steve Wall for joining me on the guest line, joining

482
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: us now in the program. He is back in Indiana,

483
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: native of Tipton, played at Evansville now with the aligne

484
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: I where as a six' nine, forward he's putting in

485
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: six a game For, illinois and you never know what

486
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: he might hit one of those threes we talked about

487
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: For Brad underwood's. Group And Ben hummerkhouse joins us on the. Program,

488
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: ben how are, you congratulations on coming back for the final.

489
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 4: Four i'm, great thank. You how are?

490
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: You i'm, well thank, You AND i think everybody here

491
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: is excited about this final. Four there are connections really

492
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: for all four schools To indiana in some. Way but

493
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: for you, personally you, know this has to be just

494
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: an absolute, dream right because you start At, evansville you

495
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: end up transferring To. Illinois and it seems to me

496
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: like it's been really in the last, say two months

497
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: of the, season that it's all kind of come together

498
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: for you, guys especially offensively. Speaking what about from your,

499
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: perspective when did you feel was the time of the

500
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: year That illinois has been playing their best.

501
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: Basketball.

502
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 5: YEAH i think for us it really has started through.

503
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 5: Adversity AND i think it started for us when we

504
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 5: came home having lost at home Against. NEBRASKA i, MEAN

505
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 5: i remember we had a really really tough, week a

506
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 5: lot of, physicality a lot of trying to figure out

507
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 5: what's our identity as a, team AND i think things

508
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 5: from there started to. CLICK i, mean even we won

509
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 5: twelve games in a. Row even from there we faced

510
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 5: another another stretch of, adversity AND i think coming back

511
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 5: from The Big Ten tournament heading into The National, tournament

512
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 5: there was a there was a level of urgency that

513
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 5: was unique coming from our team in the way that

514
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: we responded to our loss in The Big Ten tournament

515
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 5: and heading into the national, tournament knowing what the.

516
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 4: Abruptness of the end. IS i, mean once you, lose

517
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 4: you go.

518
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 5: Home and So i've loved our preparation heading into each

519
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 5: game of this, tournament the way we've taken it one

520
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: game at a, time AND i mean really just leaned

521
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 5: in and trusted the brothers around us and the staff

522
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 5: and our supporting staff as we just continue to hope

523
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 5: to make a great.

524
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: Run you, know when you look at your, JOURNEY i

525
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: mean you start out in AI, a, RIGHT i mean

526
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: here you Are tipton's obviously a place that has had

527
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: great players come through, it And indiana high school basketball

528
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: Is indiana high school, basketball. Right but coming out of

529
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: high school you end up at THE naia level At

530
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: huntington and then you transfer To evansville and now To.

531
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Illinois has that journey helped, YOU i guess in basically

532
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: being patient in for this particular. Group like you talk

533
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: about when adversity comes your, way does it kind of

534
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: seem relative to?

535
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 4: You? Yeah.

536
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 5: ABSOLUTELY i MEAN i mean BEFORE i really get into,

537
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 5: THAT i have to Give god all the glory for.

538
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: This for this what WHAT i could say is a

539
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 5: lot of this Is god's grace just continuing to help

540
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 5: me to, persevere to, push to, grow to challenge, myself

541
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 5: but then Even god's sovereignty of putting me in positions

542
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 5: with great. PEOPLE i, Mean huntington was an incredible experience

543
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 5: for me WHERE i got to learn so much about

544
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 5: about just how to, grow how to how to trust

545
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 5: the staff around, you how to how to become i,

546
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: mean even a better basketball, player but a better. Man

547
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 5: and then like the way THAT i had to adapt

548
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 5: and grow At evansville and then now being here at

549
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: The university Of, illinois where roles may have shifted over

550
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 5: my two, years and especially coming From evansville and the

551
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 5: way that that, WAS i think a lot of, it

552
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 5: how much of my journey is about trusting the staff

553
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 5: that's around, you and then being.

554
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: So blessed to play with great, people and so.

555
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 5: Now here with this, team you're able to kind of

556
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 5: present to. Them why just being, patient being process, oriented

557
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 5: being a team, player and JUST i mean always committing

558
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: to the day that's in front of. You why that's

559
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 5: so Important AND i think that's shown over the. Season,

560
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 5: now why late into the season we're having incredible success,

561
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 5: offensively but even especially defensively as we're playing with an

562
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 5: extra connectivity as a.

563
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: Team you, know it's, Interesting, ben when you look at

564
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: THE aligni. Roster, yeah there are a lot of players

565
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: that have come the securitiest route to end up playing

566
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: For Brad, underwood and a lot of different journeys in different,

567
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: stories and YET i think it takes a special kind

568
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: of coach to be able to blend all of those

569
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: personalities and backgrounds together for a common. Goal what is it,

570
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: like you, know just in terms of the camaraderie you

571
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: have with your teammates and perhaps at the same, time

572
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: the understanding that all of you have taken different paths

573
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: to get.

574
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 5: There, yeah it definitely starts at the top with With Coach.

575
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 5: Underwood one of the Things i've always appreciated with About

576
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 5: Coach underwood is the way that he is able to

577
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 5: bring guys in and make it feel like they're welcome.

578
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: And at home very. EARLY a lot of that is

579
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 4: setting setting the.

580
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 5: CULTURE i, mean the culture around here is, winning but

581
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 5: also the culture that this is a, family this is.

582
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: A brotherhood of every day.

583
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 5: GUYS i EVEN i even felt last year for me

584
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 5: that it was very easy to get Into illinois and

585
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 5: know what was expected of, you and then it built

586
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 5: a trust among the coaching staff and. Yourself and so

587
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 5: now WITH i mean we talked so much about The european.

588
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: Guys when we talk about guys from all over.

589
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 4: The, country.

590
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 5: AND i mean even even Like brandon From Puerto rico

591
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 5: and and all these different places and backgrounds and, cultures

592
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 5: that there's so much of a sense of. FAMILY i,

593
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 5: know AND i know everybody says, that but there's a

594
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: sense of family that That illinois may be unique in

595
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 5: the way that we approach like recruitment and stuff like,

596
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 5: that but everybody that come that comes here to the

597
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 5: university like has a home, here AND i think that

598
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 5: has built a connectivity for us early that that is

599
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 5: unique in.

600
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: The world college basketball now at the portal.

601
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 5: Age but ESPECIALLY i mean the ability to trust one

602
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 5: another once we get on the floor because we've spent

603
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 5: hours off.

604
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: The floor, growing, CONNECTING i.

605
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 5: Mean even just becoming dudes that love to be around

606
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 5: one another and love to play basketball for one.

607
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: Another ben Humric house is my guest native Of. Tipton of,

608
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: course with The illinois fighting and LINE i in The

609
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: final four taken On, Connecticut, ben you guys got a

610
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: really special player and a young. Player you obviously are

611
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: a veteran. Team you guys have a lot of you,

612
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: know upperclassmen on your. Team But Keaton woggler has been

613
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: special from day. One and he is not a guy

614
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: that was you, know your proverbial hat dance ON espn Five,

615
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: star big time. Recruit but he's been special from day, one.

616
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Seemingly what was the first time that you, NOTICED whoa this?

617
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Guy he's got something in.

618
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 5: Him, YEAH i, mean Ke keen is extremely. SPECIAL i,

619
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: mean everybody's going to talk about like the scoring performances

620
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 5: TO i, mean the big plays and. Moments but one

621
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 5: of the things That i've always noticed About Keaton woggler

622
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 5: is the kids a.

623
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 4: WINNER i remember.

624
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 5: Through the, SUMMER i was sitting down with h with

625
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 5: Coach jones and AND i, mean my big emphasis on

626
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: coming back IS i just want to.

627
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 4: WIN i don't care how that.

628
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 5: Happens and SO i was messing with him, about like

629
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 5: with the open gyms stuff that like you can take

630
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 5: as serious as you.

631
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 4: Want AND i told, him, Like i've won every.

632
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 5: Open gym and he's, like, Well he's, like you've actually,

633
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 5: lost Because keaton's won every open. Gym and That's the

634
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 5: thing About keaton that's been from day one Is.

635
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: Keaton wins every.

636
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 5: Drill he presents his best foot every day at. Practice

637
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 5: he's truly an every day, guy and SO i knew

638
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: very early on that he was going to be special

639
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 5: because of his dedication to winning for this.

640
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: Program i'm curious of.

641
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: This you know you're, married, Correct you were married a

642
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: couple of what six months?

643
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: Ago is that?

644
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 4: Right, yeah back at the end Of.

645
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: December, Okay, so and your wife is An illinois basketball

646
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: player or played Basketball university Of. Illinois for, you, personally

647
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: what does that mean to have a partner that understands

648
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: not just the, game but more importantly understands the mental

649
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: aspect and the emotional toll that can come with playing

650
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: college basketball at a high.

651
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: Level. Yeah.

652
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 5: Absolutely adalia is one of the greatest blessings That god

653
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 5: has given. ME i, mean the greatest DECISION i ever

654
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 5: made was to trust That jesus is My lord And.

655
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 5: Savior of the second was to marry my Wife. Adalia

656
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 5: and she's been such a blessing for. Me as you,

657
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 5: say and that she understands the, Game she understands the

658
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 5: mental toil that you, face the way adversity can come

659
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 5: and then how long a season is for. Sure but

660
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 5: one of the great things ABOUT i Mean dalla is that,

661
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 5: she like often when things get, hard she's great at

662
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: pointing me back To, jesus back to the. Center and

663
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 5: even she understands, That, LIKE i do basketball all, day

664
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 5: AND i can be hard on myself AND i can do,

665
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: that but When i'm able to go home to my,

666
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 5: wife it's it's a it's like it's a safe haven

667
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 5: for me where we can do. Basketball she has plenty of,

668
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 5: pointers especially defensively because if you know, her she can

669
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 5: guard the. Basketball And i've learned a lot from. Her

670
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 5: but WHEN i go, home it's my safe haven where

671
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: WHERE i get to just Be ben AND i get

672
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 5: to step outside of the basketball and and be. Myself

673
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: we AND i, mean we do a ton of stuff

674
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: that we love, together whether it's like reading or hanging

675
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 5: out getting, coffee food and. Stuff and so she's been

676
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 5: an incredible blessing to me THAT i thank The lord

677
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 5: for every.

678
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: Day.

679
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: Now there are five and seventy five people that's an

680
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: estimate that live In, Tipton. Indiana of the fifty two

681
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five people In. Tipton i'd like to

682
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: know how many of them have asked you for. Tickets

683
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: i've Been i've been pretty.

684
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 5: Good but, well the great thing Is i've had like

685
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 5: some buddies text, Me BUT i don't have any social,

686
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 5: Media so anybody that's ever DMed me asking for, TICKETS

687
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 5: i haven't. Seen and SO i can only imagine THAT

688
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 5: i CAN i can only imagine some of our guys

689
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 5: from some more popular, areas how many how many times

690
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 5: they've been, asked and it might be more than, five

691
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 5: seven and twenty.

692
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: Five, well so in, conclusion you, KNOW i would imagine

693
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: it's a, whirlwind AND i certainly hope that you guys

694
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: are given the time to just kind of absorb the

695
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: special nature of all of. This, Right but what is

696
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: the schedule like for you? GUYS i, mean how compact is?

697
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: It and how much time do you get to even

698
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: visit with people that may be coming down from.

699
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 4: Home, well it's it's it's a good it's a good.

700
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 5: BALANCE i, mean like this morning we had practice and

701
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 5: we did some media and a bunch of you, know

702
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 5: doing stuff in front of, cameras and tonight we'll have

703
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 5: some like some fan festivities with with some, fans but

704
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 5: so there's there's some balance where you get some time.

705
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 4: With, family where you're able to go with.

706
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: Friends with so much of our mission on this is

707
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 5: a is a business, trip AND i know people say,

708
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: that AND i don't want to sound, cliche but it's

709
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 5: a business. Trip and so for, us a lot of

710
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 5: that it's been trying to eliminate distractions before we get.

711
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: Here and then just even like my family's going to

712
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 5: come down and they understand the reality of how this

713
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 5: world is to Where tuesday, NIGHT i will no longer

714
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 5: be An illinois college basketball, player and we'll have plenty

715
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 5: of time together after, that and So i'll get some

716
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 5: TIME i want to embrace these moments with the people

717
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 5: THAT i, love you, know but so much of this

718
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 5: is about taking care of business and just continuing to

719
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 5: stay at our.

720
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Process, well you've already got If i'm not, mistaken and

721
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: correct me If i'm.

722
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: Wrong you've got a degree already in.

723
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: Math you're getting another one and graduate work in business

724
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: analytics From. Illinois IF i assume both of those are, factual, CORRECT.

725
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 5: I, Have, yeah my undergraduates from mathematics From Huntington. UNIVERSITY

726
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 5: i have a master's In, Recreation sports And science From,

727
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 5: illinois and Then i'm getting a master's in business.

728
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: Analytics, yeah so, LISTEN i hope you're, able and you,

729
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: know and you want to continue playing. BASKETBALL i realized

730
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: for probably as long as you. Can but it sounds

731
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: like everything's going to be just fine for you once

732
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: the playing career comes to an, end and Notably, bennett's

733
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: because it is very apparent we have not met this

734
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: first time that we've, talked but it's pretty apparent that

735
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: you've got life in the right perspective and as, well

736
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: the priorities in the right, order and we certainly hope

737
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: that along with, those those are accentuated with the opportunity

738
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: to share a national championship with your teammates and your

739
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: brothers coming up here In. Indianapolis but either, way obviously

740
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: a tremendous, success AND i certainly appreciate the time.

741
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 5: Today, yeah absolutely Praise god for the blessings that this

742
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 5: journey has, been for the Way he's directed, me AND

743
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 5: i mean even just blessed me with the eligibility to

744
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 5: continue my education.

745
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: And be able to do it with so, many so

746
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 4: many special.

747
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: People SO i give them all the praise and, glory

748
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 5: AND i hope that from this THAT i get to

749
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 5: be a light to the conversation of college.

750
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Basketball appreciate, It, ben good health and good luck to

751
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: you all, right, awesome thank you for having.

752
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: Me appreciate.

753
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: It from The illinois fighting a line that Is Ben

754
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: Humrick house From, Tipton. Indiana really really good perspective. There

755
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: Jason gardner was great this morning with The More show,

756
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: guys AND i was listening to it AND i, thought

757
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, WHAT i still have some questions. Here that

758
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: sounds like it's some sort of an. Indictment it's not

759
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: in any, way shape or.

760
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: Form but.

761
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: As somebody who peeked out as a sophomore playing basketball

762
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: At North Central High, school always a pleasure to have

763
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: on the guy that was the First indiana Mister basketball

764
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: from our alma. Mater he, is of, course now on

765
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: staff at The university Of, arizona where he had An

766
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: All american. Career Jason gardner joining me on the. Show,

767
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: JASON i would imagine, busy busy time for you back

768
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: here and welcome back home to The Final.

769
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 6: Four it honestly has been awesome thing to get back

770
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 6: see some familiar, faces, family be back in your own

771
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 6: city where you you, know you know all the.

772
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 7: Restaurants you know all the. Streets so it's this is.

773
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: Brilliant it has.

774
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 7: Been awesome to be.

775
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: Back how is it? Different you?

776
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: Know AND i know that this is you, know For,

777
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: arizona this is a, program as you, know that is

778
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: used to success and has had deep runs in the.

779
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: Tournament but how is it?

780
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: Different and how can you lean on your experience as

781
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: a player in the final four versus now kind of

782
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: seeing the way your players are soaking it all.

783
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 6: In, WELL i just think, one you, know when it

784
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 6: comes to the, GAME i think everybody is stressing over you,

785
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 6: know or you, know sometimes thinking about you know the you,

786
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 6: know what's going to happen, next what's going to happen

787
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 6: in the championship, game what's going to be happen you,

788
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 6: know next week with my draft, stop what's going to

789
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 6: be happening, this that and the other in the. Future

790
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 6: so really just trying to really just talk to them

791
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 6: about really just being in the moment and not focused

792
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 6: on anything like. That it's all about that Next. Saturday

793
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 6: this next is Coming, saturday and that's. It that's all

794
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 6: you can worry. About and that's all you need to

795
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 6: be thinking about for.

796
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: You were you more nervous as a young person when

797
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: it comes to The final four or now in an administrative, ROLE.

798
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 6: I will probably say as a, PLAYER i think you're

799
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 6: just anxious to get there something that you, know even

800
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 6: as a key it in your own. Driveway you, know

801
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 6: you or you always were talking, about you, know things

802
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 6: about hitting that big, shot and so now then you

803
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 6: get there as a, player SO i think it's just

804
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 6: more probably your nerves of wanting to see what's going to.

805
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 6: Happen you're, anxious you know how you're gonna, play what's going.

806
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 7: On you wanted to see the. Crowd SO i think

807
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 7: probably as a.

808
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: Player so your role now With, arizona you, know and

809
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: going back to your alma mater and being In, tucson

810
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: you are the director of player. Relations that job you've

811
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: been in now for what probably about five years or.

812
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: So your day to day operations For arizona basketball is WHAT.

813
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 7: I would.

814
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 6: SAY i, Mean i'm in contact with the player just

815
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 6: as far as owning off the court obviously just seeing,

816
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 6: academically talking with the guards about WHAT i, see you,

817
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 6: know from the game before the, game coming up, practices you,

818
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 6: know dealing with the, parents any issues they. Have so

819
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 6: it's really you, know, recruiting understanding what's going on in the,

820
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 6: portal what's going on in high. School so it's kind

821
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 6: of a little bit of. Everything SO i really wouldn't

822
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 6: say this a one day to day. Deal every day

823
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 6: sometimes a little.

824
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: Different you, know you had the pleasure, OBVIOUSLY i would

825
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: assume the pleasure of playing for Loud, olson who JUST

826
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: i don't know Loud. OLSON i didn't know Loud Olson,

827
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: jason but he seemed to me to be just kind

828
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: of like a laid back. Dude it might be totally

829
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: different when you were playing for, him but you also

830
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: played for a really intense guy in high school In Doug.

831
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,959
Speaker 1: Mitchell when you have now as you're dealing with young,

832
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: people what coach do you find yourself kind of hearing

833
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: in your head the most from your own experience as

834
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: a player that you now take away some of the

835
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: lessons that they placed on.

836
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 6: YOU i, mean, WELL i think FOR i think For Coach,

837
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 6: mitchell it was, more you, know always wanting to be,

838
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 6: ready always playing your, hardest never giving. UP i, think you,

839
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 6: know with COACH o it was always just kind of

840
00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 6: having that calming, demeanor always, prepared always you, know trying

841
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 6: to think ahead of you, know something does. Happen how

842
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 6: can you be ready to adapt and change something? Up

843
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 6: so both of, THEM i, mean, HONESTLY i mean obviously coach,

844
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 6: coach mental legendary high school, coach, coach old legendary college.

845
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 6: Coach SO i think both of. Them you, KNOW i

846
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 6: took some some very good values from both of.

847
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: Them what did you learn from your experience when you

848
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: were the head coach at I?

849
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: Epuy just you, know every day is.

850
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 6: DIFFERENT i MEAN i think you, know you're dealing with

851
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 6: eighteen to twenty to twenty three year old, kids and

852
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 6: so you, know you, know you've got to be able

853
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 6: to be ready to, adjust, Adapt you're dealing with a

854
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 6: lot of different, Backgrounds you're dealing with a lot of different.

855
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 7: You, know just just you, KNOW i just think the

856
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 7: kids of you.

857
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 6: Know if something's always going, on so you's always got

858
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 6: to be ready to change and adapt and help them

859
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 6: through any situation that they got going. On because, ultimately

860
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 6: like that's what it comes down, to you, know as

861
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 6: far as it's off the, court the wins and, losses

862
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 6: not even about That it's about just really just teaching

863
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 6: them about life and get into, things get into, adversity

864
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 6: understand that everything's gonna be, okay and then after that's,

865
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 6: okay then at basketball comes. Second SO i think that

866
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 6: was a biggest, deal just really just helping the case through.

867
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Life you, KNOW i think with, That Jason gardner is my.

868
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: GUEST i think it would be really, hard AND i

869
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: don't want to speak for you, here so stop me

870
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: If i'm. Wrong, OKAY i guess this is What i'm

871
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: getting at to, be you, know a player where everything

872
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: just came, Naturally at least from the, outside it seemed

873
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: as though it did to, you like success just was

874
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: synonymous with your career when you were a basketball, player

875
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: and for the most part it has been in the

876
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: different things that you've been involved with from a coaching,

877
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: standpoint but the tenure at, iupuy you, know there are

878
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: a lot of challenges, within especially at that, time right

879
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: within that, job And i'm assuming that to some extent

880
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: it did not go the way from a wins and

881
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: losses standpoint that you had. Anticipated but yet you have

882
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: to learn from. That we all. Do was it challenging

883
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: for you from a coaching standpoint to go through adversity

884
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: that you had not felt as a.

885
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 7: PLAYER i, MEAN i think it definitely.

886
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 6: WAS i MEAN i got the job at a young,

887
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 6: age AND i even just understanding just, scheduling and uh

888
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 6: that was that was one big deal as far as

889
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 6: how do you how do you? Schedule what makes more?

890
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 6: Sense you, know when you got to go play these

891
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 6: you got to go play these by, games and when

892
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 6: you got to play multiple buy, games do you play

893
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 6: them in the back end of the front?

894
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 7: End do you play them in the? Middle how do

895
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 7: you do?

896
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 4: That?

897
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 7: UH i mean that was a big.

898
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 6: Deal, uh you, know just some you, know probably not

899
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 6: having our own gym and kind of practicing at different

900
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 6: gyms around the.

901
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 7: City, uh that was. Different so but.

902
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 6: AGAIN i think all that you, live you, learn and

903
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 6: SO i think if that opportunity ever happens, AGAIN i

904
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 6: don't think there's probably not too many things THAT i

905
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 6: probably didn't see.

906
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 7: IT I u s y That i'll be ready.

907
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 6: For and and then obviously just having a, staff you, know,

908
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 6: uh you, know just kind of being here At. Arizona

909
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 6: our staff is you, know it's, massive and SO i

910
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 6: think that just kind of really helps where everybody kind

911
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 6: of has a job and and you, know you take

912
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 6: a lot off coaches. Play so uh but, AGAIN i,

913
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 6: MEAN i think going through those experiences only made me.

914
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 6: BETTER i think that you, know to have that opportunity, again.

915
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: What sort of Things Jason gardner is my guest With.

916
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: Arizona what sort of things Did purdue present to, You

917
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: jason that you most respected out Of Matt painter and

918
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: his group and his. Players what jumps out at you

919
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: about That purdue.

920
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 6: PROGRAM i say they. PHYSICALITY i say the way they

921
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 6: move the. BALL i say that you couldn't really not

922
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 6: get you couldn't really take them away out of kind

923
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 6: of what they wanted to.

924
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 7: DO i think they.

925
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 6: Stayed with what they wanted to, do their game plan

926
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 6: offensively and. Defensively SO i just think this that you

927
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 6: can kind of just tell they had a, plan they

928
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 6: stuck to, it and so that was that was very

929
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 6: impressive in the physicality that they brought to the, game you, know,

930
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 6: defensively offensive how they screened, defensively how they kind of you,

931
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 6: know use their, body so you, know THEY i think

932
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 6: THAT i think that was the probably the biggest.

933
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: Part what AND i would imagine does that kind of

934
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: mirror some of the things that you anticipate being the

935
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: challenge With Michigan.

936
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 7: DEAF i, mean, OBVIOUSLY i think the Big tanny all.

937
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 6: Overall you, know it's a very physical, league and so

938
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 6: we know that they're going to be. Physical we know

939
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 6: that they're going to have a game. Plan you, know

940
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 6: they've been one of the top teams all year, long

941
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 6: so you know they don't probably they don't get rattled

942
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 6: really over anything on either side of the. Ball SO

943
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 6: i think you know that that's what makes them one

944
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 6: of the better teams in the, league in the in

945
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 6: the in the.

946
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: Country you Guys arizona as a, GROUP i, mean you

947
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: are obviously physical as.

948
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: Well you guys love to.

949
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Run and yet one of the things in an era

950
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: where so many people shoot the, three AND i think

951
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: everybody in the final four shoots at about thirty six

952
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: percent clip from three point, range but you guys don't

953
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: take as many as say In, illinois for, example but

954
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: you're able to get your guards in the operating areas

955
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: right into the paint and get higher percentage shots in that.

956
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: Way is that a difficult thing to instill in young

957
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: players today that so often want to just do like

958
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: the step back three to have that offensive efficiency that

959
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: is closer to the.

960
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 6: Basket, WELL i think the way that we move the,

961
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 6: BALL i think that's just something That tommy's you, know

962
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 6: he's spent, on you, know for you, know five years being,

963
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 6: here and SO i think, that you, know it's, crazy you,

964
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 6: know when you come watch our, practice you would think

965
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 6: opposite of, us he would think they take a lot of.

966
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 6: Threes and then all of a sudden we get into

967
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 6: games AND i don't know why guys really don't take,

968
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 6: them BUT i know, that you, know we do like

969
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 6: to get in the, paint and we do like to.

970
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 6: Distribute you, know we like our guards to get to the.

971
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 6: Rim we like our bigs to touch the.

972
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: Ball.

973
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 6: Uh you know that's no, secret but it's JUST i

974
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 6: DON'T i don't really, HONESTLY i couldn't tell you why

975
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 6: these guys don't shoot the, three because we're actually pretty good,

976
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 6: shooting a pretty good shooting.

977
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 7: Team it's just we, don't, really like you, said we

978
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 7: don't really take.

979
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: A lot of.

980
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: Them so that's not necessarily by instruction or, design not.

981
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 7: At, all not at. All Uh.

982
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 6: UH i mean letters came out of. Practice we're playing

983
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 6: five on five and you, know we're just. Laughing i'm,

984
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 6: thinking you, Know, okay On, saturday what's gonna? Happen or

985
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 6: we're gon we're gonna launch twenty? Threes are we gonna latch?

986
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 6: EIGHT i, mean you really just don't. Know but, literally

987
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 6: we just walked out of practice and we was playing

988
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 6: five on five and we probably in five minutes we

989
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 6: took fourteen.

990
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: Threes did you ever find it hard as a?

991
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: PLAYER i MEAN i did, personally but then, AGAIN i

992
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: wasn't of the skill set of you when you played

993
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: in the big venues like A Lucas oil or from

994
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: a high school, Standpoint, Jason i'll be honest with, You Lawrence,

995
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: central how they had, that like the depth was totally

996
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: different and it threw you off for like the first

997
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: couple of possessions of the game before you kind of

998
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: got your depth feel as a.

999
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: Shooter did you ever feel That, NO i MEAN i.

1000
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 6: Think a little, Bit BUT i think in, now with

1001
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 6: the games that these guys played coming out of high,

1002
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 6: school and you know the amount of places where they

1003
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 6: play and all things like, THAT i don't, HONESTLY i

1004
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 6: don't think it probably bothers them too. Much even when

1005
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 6: we know our for even when we just came off the.

1006
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 6: Court now the god even mentioned, it and so you,

1007
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 6: KNOW i don't know if they're talking about it now

1008
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 6: in the locker, room but nobody mentioned. It and, obviously you,

1009
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 6: know you don't want to mention it because you don't

1010
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 6: want them to start overthinking. It or the first time

1011
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 6: they missed a, shot that's the first time they are.

1012
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 6: Thinking they, so but, NO i, DON'T i. DON'T i

1013
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 6: don't think at. All no one's mentioning. It SO i

1014
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 6: don't even know if that's they've even thought.

1015
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: About, It which for you IS i guess the more

1016
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: surreal process that of being recruited yourself as a national

1017
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: level recruit or seeing your son going through IT a

1018
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: from a father, standpoint and then b from being on

1019
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: a staff that is recruiting your.

1020
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: Son which of those is the most?

1021
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 7: BIZARRE i will probably say my son being.

1022
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 6: RECRUITED i, Mean i'm Still i'm you, know there's there's

1023
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 6: SOMETIMES i still look at him, and, man this, kid

1024
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 6: he didn't make his. Bed he, didn't he didn't he

1025
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 6: didn't throw his trash out of his.

1026
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 7: Room you.

1027
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 6: Know so then you get the phone call and someone's

1028
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 6: talking about your, son it's, like, yeah hey, man but

1029
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 6: he didn't pick the damn trash us.

1030
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 7: So no so, so but but also.

1031
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 6: Too but then on the other, hand you, know you're

1032
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 6: a proud dad of all the hard work he puts

1033
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 6: and how much he loves the. Game and then see

1034
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 6: the phone, call the text message that he's, getting different

1035
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 6: things like.

1036
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 7: That SO i think it's a little bit of. Both

1037
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 7: BUT i would probably say.

1038
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: Him being, recruited how involved do you get with that

1039
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: versus allowing him to make his own decisions and his

1040
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: own progress in terms of the recruiting.

1041
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 6: Process, uh, WELL i think SINCE i know a lot

1042
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 6: of the, COACHES i know style of, PLAY i know,

1043
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 6: leagues you, know it's JUST i try to have him

1044
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 6: kind of uh you, know if he's watching a, game

1045
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 6: get a better feel the pace of the, game how

1046
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 6: does the coach, play what does the point guards want to?

1047
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 6: Do SO i kind of asked him just questions like

1048
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 6: that so he can kind of get me in For but,

1049
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 6: ultimately you, know it's his. Decision you, Know i'm gonna

1050
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 6: support it no matter where he wants to, go what

1051
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 6: he wants to. Do but, uh but just more so

1052
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 6: just trying to have him look at different different things

1053
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 6: in a in a different add Since i'm Since i'm

1054
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 6: literally in the, business and.

1055
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: If he doesn't go To, arizona he gets, grounded, Right

1056
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: is that how it? Works?

1057
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 7: Uh he gets grounded for a little.

1058
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 8: Bit, no, no, no, no, NO i MEAN i, KNOW i

1059
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 8: mean that that that would be super cool, too but also,

1060
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 8: TOO i think you, know he has his own vision

1061
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 8: in his own mind and uh where he, uh you,

1062
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 8: know he kind of wants to put his own stamp

1063
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 8: To but, again if it ended up Being, arizona, perfect

1064
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 8: and if it's somewhere, else you, know the bab, man

1065
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 8: he's still fulfilling his.

1066
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: Dream, Yeah eddie points, out you could just simply say to, Him,

1067
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: look you can go somewhere else if you, want but

1068
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: you're in charge of your own, tuition young.

1069
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: Man. Right, uh the old school.

1070
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: Way, hey well he you Know Fisher's High, school where

1071
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: your son has been a prolific. Player and you, know

1072
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: we now see more often more CASES i should, say

1073
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: of players that in their last year of high school

1074
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: will go to an academy they just had a coaching

1075
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: change At. Fisher's will your son finish his his high

1076
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: school career At?

1077
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 7: Fishers you, know, honestly we talked about.

1078
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 6: It he likes fisher a, Lot he got a lot

1079
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 6: of friends. There he's had an unbelievable career there on

1080
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 6: a state but also too like a tona hey. Man you,

1081
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 6: know it's just you, know we kind of got to

1082
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 6: go through the process and what makes. Sense and you,

1083
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 6: know if he end up back At, fisher's great if.

1084
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 6: It if it's something that makes more sense where you

1085
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 6: go prep, school, great you, know but he's has to make.

1086
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 6: Sense but so we talked about it a little. Bit Uh,

1087
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 6: SO i think we got to see how the summer.

1088
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 6: Goes but he really he really Enjoys fisher's, AGAIN i,

1089
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 6: mean and when he if decides to go, BACK i

1090
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 6: think that team can be a team that can you,

1091
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 6: know next, year can be picked to win. State so

1092
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 6: uh so we've got to see how this, all how

1093
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 6: this all plays.

1094
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: Out and how much, say would you have in that

1095
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: versus just kind of allowing him to make that.

1096
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: Decision, uh you, know it's all his.

1097
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 6: DECISIONS i MEAN i think that uh you, know we're

1098
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 6: all gonna sit down as a family and everybody no

1099
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 6: no difference THAN i.

1100
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 7: Did we all sit.

1101
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 6: Down in the family everybody gives their pros and cons

1102
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 6: and ultimately kind of, Like, jay, hey what do you

1103
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 6: want to?

1104
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 4: Do.

1105
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 6: Uh so that's just kind of where we. Have BUT

1106
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 6: i THINK i think he's. EXCITED i, mean, obviously you

1107
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 6: know he's had phone calls from prep. Schools a lot

1108
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 6: of his friends are at prep.

1109
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 7: School.

1110
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 6: Uh BUT i think all you, know his this this,

1111
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 6: year coming back for his junior. Year his big deal

1112
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 6: was he wanted to win. State so that may that

1113
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 6: may kind of you, know put back in his mind

1114
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 6: like you, know we didn't we didn't get out of sex,

1115
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 6: shows and SO i want to want to.

1116
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: Stay fuel that fire a little.

1117
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: Bit all.

1118
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: Right, Lastly, JASON i got to know, This what is

1119
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: The i'm always fascinated about. This what is the schedule

1120
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: for A final four? TRIP i, MEAN i know you

1121
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: try to keep at business as, usual but in terms

1122
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: of just bringing your guys in and the practices and

1123
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: the commitments and everything, else what is it and how

1124
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: crazy is?

1125
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: It?

1126
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 6: WELL i think you, know got in last, night, watch

1127
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 6: watch had, dinner watch, film got up this, morning watch

1128
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 6: some more, film how to walk?

1129
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 7: Through they had.

1130
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 6: Practicing now they're going to be at the arena for

1131
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 6: two more hours doing some media. Stuff then after that

1132
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 6: they got they got they got, dinner and we GOT

1133
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 6: failm and next, thing you, know it's gonna be nine

1134
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 6: thirty at. Night so it, actually it actually goes pretty.

1135
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 6: QUICK i mean they're kind of on the go all.

1136
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 3: Day uh you.

1137
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 6: Know but what's actually cool they got the they got

1138
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 6: the game room for, them so you, know last night

1139
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 6: they were all down there playing TWO k, together you,

1140
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 6: know you, know some friends and family and they're actually

1141
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 6: playing TWO k in the locker room as We SO

1142
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 6: i think even though it seems like it's only, go

1143
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 6: it's actually a lot of.

1144
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: Bonding tom's, well, hey can you use your influence to

1145
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: Get arizona to permanently go back to the late eighties

1146
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: early nineties logo with the cactus on, it which is

1147
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: the greatest logo in college?

1148
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 2: Basketball can you just permanently put that?

1149
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 6: In you, KNOW i wish you, know anything that we

1150
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 6: put that logo, on whether it's A t, shirt, jacket, sweatpants.

1151
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 6: Whatever maybe everybody want, it so you.

1152
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 7: Know it's the, best you, know, yeah the.

1153
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: Best it is.

1154
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: Great, jason welcome back home and certainly enjoy all of.

1155
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: It we wish you the best of luck and trying

1156
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: to do What arizona did back in ninety seven and

1157
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: that's when a national title in the city Of.

1158
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: Indianapolis certainly appreciate the time, today thank, you thanks for having,

1159
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 2: Me Jason gardner joining me on the. Program