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Speaker 1: All right, So how do we feel about all the

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about coming here to be detained or

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Speaker 1: Well, they're coming. The big announcement came out yesterday that

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Speaker 1: the Speedway Slammer. This is the new what was the

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Speaker 2: Called it Alligator Alcatraz?

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Speaker 1: Alligator Alcatraz, And they're creating these locations because the obviously

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration is doing their best to round up

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Speaker 1: They gotta have some place to put these people. And

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Speaker 1: now apparently the State of Indiana has struck some sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be at the Miami Correctional Facility.

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Speaker 2: It's being branded as Speedway Slammer. DHS says that it

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Speaker 1: Which that's I mean, what you'd think the people they're

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Speaker 1: the Miami Correctional Facility is located at.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: So maybe we should take a tour sometime. Let's see

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Speaker 1: how far is it from here? They say it's only

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Speaker 1: as though they didn't know. Now, Andrew Ireland, our friend

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Speaker 2: There's other names they could have gone with. Miami Detained. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all we got to do is get a holding center.

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Speaker 1: All we got to do is get on thirty one. Now,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. Everybody's got to do their part for this.

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Speaker 1: And it's easy to say, well, we got to get

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Speaker 1: And if the State of Indiana can help facilitate this

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 2: You're okay with that. You've got a question who's paying

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Speaker 1: What does that mean. That doesn't say he's paying for it? Now,

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Speaker 1: But I'm fine with using the State of Indiana's resources

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Speaker 2: Not everybody's happy about it. Representative Ed Delaney not a

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Speaker 3: Corn version of the alligator Alcatraz, and I hope the

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Speaker 1: Okay, so they stop hospitality and human decency. They're potentially

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Speaker 1: Hospitality and human decency? And are we supposed to bake

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Speaker 2: Now, something else that came out is that Governor Brown

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that old nutt. It's part of the Immigration

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Speaker 2: They've applied for Task Force Model. You've also got Indiana's

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Speaker 1: Now now Nikki Kelly, our friend from the Capitol Chronicle,

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Speaker 1: Raise some questions about the capacity of this place, and

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Speaker 2: So Governor Brown stated that Indiana is not a safe

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Speaker 1: How about net migration any United States.

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Speaker 4: Get this, it's down.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be down, at least sixty percent. We

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Speaker 5: We are potentially looking at negative net migration for the

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Speaker 1: Okay, great, let's take the uh, let's take the tariff

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, speaking of those permits, it was announced yesterday

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're not gonna un You can't undo the thing. Now,

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Speaker 1: to these politicians. You're not going to cut that off because,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now Ice is hiring. They have a fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: as seventy eight thousand Americans have applied to become ICE agents,

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Speaker 2: and the latest one is a actor, Dean Kane.

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Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, Dean Kaine here.

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Speaker 6: And for those who don't know, I am a sworn

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Speaker 6: I felt it was important to join with our first

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Speaker 1: You can earn lots of great.

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Speaker 6: Benefits and pay.

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Speaker 6: Since President Trump took office, ICE has arrested hundreds of

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Speaker 6: thousands of criminals, including terrorists, rapists, murderers, pedophiles, MS thirteen,

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Speaker 6: gang members, drug traffickers, you name it, very dangerous people

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Speaker 2: Think okay, so is this all part of the one

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Speaker 1: I'm blown away. The Superman is an ICE agent?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.

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Speaker 1: Like is he a legit one or like, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: the honorary spokesman, right, Am I going to head to

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what you're supposed to believe.

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Speaker 1: Huh. Well that does what's what? What's my benefits? What

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Speaker 2: It was it was a fifty thousand dollars signing bonus.

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Speaker 2: And they say twenty five percent premium pay.

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Speaker 1: Is that fifty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah? But I'm saying, like, what's the base pay? Let's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's only ninety I'd be taking a pay

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Speaker 2: Dean Kin could do it for free. He does needs.

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Speaker 2: Probably if you're already an officer and that's already passed

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Speaker 2: That's true. You could, at least for Indiana. It is

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Speaker 1: Oh what did the YouTube chat watch program on YouTube?

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Speaker 1: I tried to apply to ICE. There's a thirty seven

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Speaker 1: You said a military. It's a government entity.

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Speaker 2: Well it's homeland security.

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Speaker 1: Immigration, Customs Enforcement. You're not in a military uniform walking around.

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Speaker 2: I think you're still too old.

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Speaker 2: What do you say, settled? I'm going to say fifty two?

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Speaker 4: I already looked at the age.

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Speaker 1: the price is right because I would have gone over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but he's fifty nine, so on less. Twenty two years

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Speaker 2: Make it work. He's a spokesperson, like you said.

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Speaker 1: Fun see that I could get in on that. I'm

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Speaker 1: Rob Kendall for ICE. Are you tired of illegal immigrants

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Speaker 1: taking over your community? You can do something about it.

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Speaker 2: That was really good.

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Speaker 1: I just made that up.

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Speaker 2: I know. Look how talented you are.

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Speaker 1: Let me try again. Hello, this is Rob Kendall from

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Speaker 1: the number one rated Kendall in Casey Show. Are you

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Speaker 1: tired of people who's snuck into this country taking your jobs?

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Speaker 1: Get off your ass and do something about it. ICE

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to poke a hole in this idea.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great. You would be brilliant at it.

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Speaker 2: I like the edit that you've added. By the way,

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Speaker 2: one Kennel in case.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's our show, right, even though you're being very

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Speaker 1: He doesn't run the federal government.

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Speaker 2: No, but I think that they would ask him and

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Speaker 1: They would look at our numbers. You know how endorsements work.

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Speaker 2: You don't think Christy Noaman would be asking him about it.

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Speaker 1: What would he say? The numbers aren't real. They care

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Speaker 1: about people. It's like, see, this is the thing people

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Speaker 1: I get people to get off their duffs and go

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Speaker 2: So, if you would like Rob Kendall to be a

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Speaker 1: There is a list of things I won't endorse because

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Speaker 1: I'm filthy rich now, so I can be very selected. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm richer than you think.

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Speaker 2: I am good for you.

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Speaker 1: But but for the most part, if you have a

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Speaker 1: I'll generally promote most products.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was a good off the cuff. You agree,

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Speaker 1: it was really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really proud of you. You did something.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you speak of doing something. You did something that

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Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by.

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Speaker 2: Stayed up way too late last night is what I did.

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Speaker 1: You did. There's a new Delphi documentary.

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Speaker 2: It's on Hulu on Hulu, and you.

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Speaker 1: Watched the first two episodes of it.

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Speaker 2: This is so ridiculous. It is so It's a three

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Speaker 1: Do you have an opinion? Did he do it?

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Speaker 2: The thing that got me that made me think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so whatever evidence was associated with the firearm,

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Speaker 1: I took to a person who was very involved in Delphi.

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Speaker 2: He was in the documentary. It wasn't him speaking to

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Speaker 1: I l ask Doug about this because from us and others,

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Speaker 1: He said he would get them on. Hi, Doug, We'll

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Speaker 1: range that. That'd be fascinating to hear. We hear that.

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Speaker 1: But this person said that that was a big mistake

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the thing that got me because as I

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Speaker 1: They talk about the Keegan Clin guy.

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Speaker 2: They did, he's in part of it as well. And

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Speaker 1: I heard the gun stuff.

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Speaker 2: More indisputable than anything else, And.

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Speaker 1: It was a huge mistake not to let the not

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Speaker 1: Doug has said he will come on and talk about this.

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Speaker 1: This will be fascinating because nobody probably knows his case

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Speaker 1: better than him, better than him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let that up the thing. I love you

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Speaker 2: free Friday, Doug. He's texting you back.

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Speaker 1: You stop.

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Speaker 2: This is my friend.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to impede on my friends. You're not

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to poach anything. Play out the show

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Speaker 2: for Fridday in advance. That's all.

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Speaker 1: You stay in your little corner of the world, and

443
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Speaker 1: I'll stay in mind, and we'll just meet in the

444
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Speaker 1: middle here when it comes time to do the show

445
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Speaker 1: each day.

446
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Speaker 2: Let's meet with the news next on ninety three WYBC, Hey,

447
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Speaker 2: I got an answer.

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Speaker 1: Well that whole thirty seven you're talking about joining ice. Yeah,

449
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: So last segment, Casey and I got into a big

450
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Speaker 1: hayrube about she was doing the thing where like, hey,

451
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Speaker 1: I'm a woman, I'm so much smarter than you. Let

452
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Speaker 1: me tell you how it all works.

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Speaker 2: Please, and you were doing like I'm the man I'm

454
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Speaker 2: dismissive of her report.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was just saying, like common sense is Dean

456
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Speaker 1: Kane at fifty nine years old is probably not out

457
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Speaker 1: busting guys in ice. And then we're trying to figure

458
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Speaker 1: out why somebody, somebody on the YouTube it said, Hey,

459
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be in ice, and then they told

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Speaker 1: me you had to be thirty seven. I guess that

461
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Speaker 1: person is aged out of thirty seven. I am old

462
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Speaker 1: enough now where I am ineligible for employment?

463
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Speaker 2: Correct, where's the time? That's what I've been telling you.

464
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Speaker 2: You can't do it, even if you wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Where. But like in my mind and in my behavior,

466
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Speaker 1: I'm still a very young person. In my mind and

467
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Speaker 1: in my behavior, I'm still twenty five years old. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 1: and that's part of my charm. Yeah, right, I bring.

469
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Speaker 1: I bring a very youthful view to a very adult stuff.

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Speaker 2: Off Is that? Is that how you're laugh at my view?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So my old man, because he would know he's

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Speaker 1: a federal LA enforcement officer, he chimed in. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he waits till after the segment, so I look like

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Speaker 1: a dumb ass. And then he this is what my

475
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Speaker 1: dad does. He allows me to go on. And this

476
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Speaker 1: is true in our life and our conversations at home.

477
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Speaker 1: It's everywhere he'll let me go on and.

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Speaker 2: Then he'll you're out there publicly say he'll.

479
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Speaker 1: Calmly then tell me what I meant. And he's like, uh,

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Speaker 1: it always says, oh you know, oh you know, by

481
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Speaker 1: the way, yeah, you know. The reason it's thirty seven

482
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Speaker 1: is you got to retire by fifty seven for the

483
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Speaker 1: hazardous duty stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, that would have been helpful.

486
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a phone right here. He could have

487
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Speaker 1: said that was going You want him to call the

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Speaker 1: hot line?

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, give your dad. Does your dad have

490
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Speaker 2: a I'm not giving him anything. No, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: give it to him. You know how much he him

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Speaker 2: tell me the hotline phone? Yes, stop, So I'm going

493
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Speaker 2: to give it to Rob. The point is that he

494
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Speaker 2: can call any time he wants to correct.

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Speaker 1: It's thirty seven, Casey, it's thirty seven. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: done by fifty seven to get your twenty years twenty

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Speaker 1: years in federal retire Yeah, so what I can't serve.

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Speaker 2: My country, not in that capacity. You're serving it in

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Speaker 2: another way.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of bull cramp because I bet if there

501
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Speaker 1: was some world war, they wouldn't be like, well, Rob's forty,

502
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Speaker 1: he's too old a service country. They ship me right

503
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Speaker 1: to the front line somewhere when it comes to cashing

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Speaker 1: in as an.

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Speaker 2: Ice guy, Yeah, can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do think that endorsement thing is right up

507
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Speaker 1: my alley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Huge supporter of the mission, true believer, great ratings, high

510
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Speaker 1: level of engaged audience. Yeah, perfect. I'd be great.

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Speaker 2: You you would, you'd be great. Did you hear about

512
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Speaker 2: this partnership Google and I and M did? It's Indiana

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Speaker 2: Michigan power?

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Speaker 1: No do I It doesn't sound like I want to know. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So here's what it sounds like.

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Speaker 2: It's for a four waying data center.

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Speaker 1: Of course it is.

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Speaker 2: It's going to help I and M provide reliable and

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Speaker 2: affordable power by allowing Google to shift electricity usage during

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Speaker 2: high grid stress times.

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Speaker 1: What the hell do you just say?

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Speaker 2: Means they're going to be able to change how much

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Speaker 2: power they're sucking.

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Speaker 1: Google is going to be able to tell the data

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Speaker 1: center they can't use as much power, or they're going

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Speaker 1: to be able to take power from other people that

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Speaker 1: they're using.

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Speaker 2: Google will tell Indiana Michigan power. You know, Okay, we'll

529
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Speaker 2: use less right now if there's stress on the grid.

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Speaker 2: But okay, but like Google can adjust its electricity consumption

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Speaker 2: based on real time grid demands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but are they going to take power from everybody

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Speaker 1: else too? Like or is it just Google who's we're

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Speaker 1: willing to go down? Because I got a feeling no, no,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not blaming you. I know you're just reporting

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Speaker 1: the news. But I got a feeling that this ain't

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Speaker 1: gonna end up with just Google, because does Google strike

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Speaker 1: you as the sort of company it's like, we'll just

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Speaker 1: do more with less. Just Google one of the largest,

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Speaker 1: most And Kevin knows I'm right because he's smiling over there,

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Speaker 1: And that's what I know. Kevin is engaged. He has

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Speaker 1: a smile on his face because ninety percent of the

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Speaker 1: time Kevin is a lifeless, blankless stare and it is like,

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Speaker 1: just get me away from these people. But there he

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Speaker 1: had the smile, which means he knows I'm right, which

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Speaker 1: is Google. Google is not going to be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's fine, we'll just do it less. It'll be great

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Speaker 1: everybody everybody else. Ten years from now, we'll be hearing

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Speaker 1: how everybody else is doing with less. Doesn't that sound

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Speaker 1: what this sounds like to you?

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Speaker 2: So you're not trusting Google to adjust their electricity consumption

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Speaker 2: their needs.

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Speaker 1: You know what I trust based.

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Speaker 2: On the grid demand.

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Speaker 1: Trust.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we promise we'll turn it down, We'll use less.

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Speaker 1: I trust Google to tell me how old Dean Kaine is.

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Speaker 1: That's what I trust Google for. And they did that

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Speaker 1: very well. That's great. I do not trust them to

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Speaker 1: do with less so that other people can continue not suffer.

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Speaker 1: I think they would make me suffer in a heartbeat.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they will be transparent about their

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Speaker 2: energy needs? Not expecting that.

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Speaker 1: I just like these data centers, we know so little

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Speaker 1: about them. The same thing with the artificial intelligence technology too.

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Speaker 1: And I think Indiana is just opening itself up to

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Speaker 1: a Pandora's box of hurt down the road in terms

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Speaker 1: of one the cost of obtaining basic necessity, which is power,

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Speaker 1: and two the ability to even get it. I just

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Speaker 1: I think there we're going to look back on this

571
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Speaker 1: time and all these things are getting approved and it

572
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Speaker 1: may take twenty thirty forty years before the actual pain

573
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Speaker 1: is fully inflicted. But it seems like a very dystopian

574
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Speaker 1: existence we're setting up for ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, speaking of power, let's talk about AES. You know,

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Speaker 2: they requested a thirteen point five percent rate increase for

577
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Speaker 2: homes that use at least one thousand kilowatts of power

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Speaker 2: per month, and the Regulatory Commission was going to decide

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Speaker 2: if they could do that. I believe today is the

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Speaker 2: day that they get word yeah on whether they can

581
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Speaker 2: increase the rate.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this is going to be a thing now going forward.

583
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Speaker 1: It's going to be a never ending thing of these

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Speaker 1: rate increases because there simply is not enough technology with

585
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Speaker 1: all of these new things coming online, which Casey brings

586
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Speaker 1: me back to the question I keep asking. If all

587
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: the growth is not making things more affordable or the

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00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: taxes lower for every day lifelong hoosiers, why are we

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Speaker 1: doing it. What's the point of the big building, What's

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Speaker 1: the point of the having the thing there, What's the

591
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Speaker 1: point of any extrapolated anything, housing developments whatever. If your

592
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Speaker 1: utilities keep going up and your taxes keep going up,

593
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Speaker 1: which is the reoccurring thing that we keep talking about,

594
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Speaker 1: why are we doing any of it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a town hall tonight the Citizens' Action

596
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Speaker 2: Coalition offering people a chance to sound off about the

597
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Speaker 2: rates from AES. What tonight at six thirty.

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Speaker 1: Where's it at.

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Speaker 2: It's at nineteen fifteen West eighteenth Street, six thirty tonight.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, we have breaking news in the YouTube chat now.

601
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Speaker 1: Very this person, Michael wrote in the YouTube chat, Pam

602
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Speaker 1: Bondy waved the age requirements for ICE on Fox this morning?

603
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Speaker 1: And can she do that? Can she just go on

604
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: a television show and waive that? So you are good?

605
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Speaker 1: So now the offer is back on the table.

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Speaker 2: Dean Kane is back in.

607
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: They were very concerned Dean Kane and the aged out

608
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Speaker 1: of ICE. I am, I am, I am strongly considering

609
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Speaker 1: being in for the one sixty seven whatever plus the

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars bonus.

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Speaker 2: That's the only way you're gonna do you.

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Speaker 1: No, look, I would be taking a pay cut at

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Speaker 1: the low level. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing

614
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Speaker 1: a neutral shift either.

615
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Speaker 2: I wonder if you like, what's do you just sign up?

616
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Speaker 2: I'm sure I know there's a vetting process, clearly, but

617
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Speaker 2: is it like an interview process, like what kind of

618
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Speaker 2: skills are you bringing to the table? Rob Cat?

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Speaker 1: Well, here's here's what I bring to the table. I'm smart,

620
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Speaker 1: quick on my feet, I am a law abiding citizen.

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Speaker 1: No felonious actions in my past. I've paid all of

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Speaker 1: my taxes every single year. I've held a stable job,

623
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Speaker 1: both as a business owner and then working here for

624
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Speaker 1: the past nine years. I mean I bring a lot.

625
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: This will shock people with the statement, but I do

626
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Speaker 1: bring a lot of stability to whatever position I'm entering.

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00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they probably do have many positions available,

628
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: right Like, they may need you to have a desk job.

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Speaker 1: And I'm fine for the one sixty seven whatever. I

630
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: don't really care what it is. I mean, you probably

631
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: don't want me. I can use a weapon. I've used

632
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: a firearm. I have one in my home. I would

633
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: feel comfortable using it if my life or my family's

634
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: life were threatened, no questions asked. But I'm not sure

635
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: you would want me as the guy on the front line.

636
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: Although you know the Ustatos during the war, where those

637
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: guys do entertain the troops. I would be the perfect

638
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: guy to be out there motivating those people on the

639
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: front line. Hey, you sing, d you guys know, But

640
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just do you know almost of those people

641
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: have the same political views as we do. I just

642
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: entertain them. We could That's what we could do. You

643
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: and I could take this radio show on the road

644
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: to entertain the ice agents would be like the modern

645
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: day Bob Hope.

646
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Speaker 2: Right there, you go get a stage.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think one sixty seven whatever plus

648
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: the fifty thousand dollars signing bonus, do you get hazard pay?

649
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: Like? Is there a new sort of hazard pay level?

650
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: I would accept whatever they need me to do. I

651
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: would take this radio show to whatever border town you

652
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: need it in for the one sixty seven whatever plus

653
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: the fifty thousand dollars signing on was So, what are

654
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: they They're like two hundred and twenty thousand dollars and

655
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: I will go entertain the masses. That's a drop in

656
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Speaker 1: the bucket. What do you think they're paying, Dean Kine,

657
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: Who do.

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Speaker 2: You think is going to pay for that though your

659
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: salary to go entertain?

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Speaker 1: Well, the taxpayers auld be paying it, Fred I would

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Speaker 1: thank them every day.

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Speaker 2: You're okay with that?

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Speaker 1: I would give them their money's worth. Okay, you would

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Speaker 1: get immense value. I would do the entertainment of nine people.

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Speaker 2: Abduels can't join us.

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Speaker 1: Nut, We're going to talk about he's got some later

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Speaker 1: latest rumor gossip innuendo on what's going on with this

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Speaker 1: this AI porn story. Okay, and so he will fill

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Speaker 1: us in on the latest on that has crossed his desk.

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Speaker 2: All right, you're listening to Kenvill and Casey. It is

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Speaker 1: Well, we're still trying to get to the bottle of

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Speaker 1: what's going on with these allegations of a I porn

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Speaker 1: being viewed in the Lieutenant Governor's office and who knew

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Speaker 1: what and when? And so let's bring in a guy

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Speaker 1: who well, he a big portion of his life is

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Speaker 1: how do you describe it? Rumor gossiping in the window.

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Speaker 4: That's that's half my job.

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Speaker 7: The other half of my job is to find out

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Speaker 7: things that most people don't want, don't want to be

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Speaker 7: made public.

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Speaker 1: Duel keeps Shabaz, you know him as the owner operator

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Speaker 1: of indiepolitics dot org.

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Speaker 7: Hello, just back from Michigan. Had a nice, relaxing, peaceful,

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Speaker 7: peaceful trip. My wife was happy, comic books, no relaxation,

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Speaker 7: and then I come back here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, obviously there's a whole bunch of stuff going

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Speaker 1: on right now. You've got the stuff with the redistricting,

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Speaker 1: which you know, as we've said, this is ridiculous just

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Speaker 1: a bevy of things going on right now. But I

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Speaker 1: think one of the big stories, and I think it

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Speaker 1: is gaining traction, is what exactly took place in the

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Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor's office related to this artificial intelligence pornography allegedly

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Speaker 1: being viewed shared of Craig Haggard's wife. You have been

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Speaker 1: doing some digging, as of others, and there is now

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Speaker 1: what a big rumor going around that they're the Marin

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Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's office may be looking into more than just this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been told by very reliable sources. And by

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Speaker 7: the way, this will all be in this weekend's cheat cheek.

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Speaker 7: By the way, so shameless plug.

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Speaker 1: If yes, and if you want to get all the information,

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Speaker 1: you can get that subscription overt Indie politics dot org.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 7: What I've been told is that they're sort of simultaneous

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Speaker 7: state investigations going on and also very likely federal investigations

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Speaker 7: going on, because number one, on the state level, you've

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Speaker 7: got possible claims of retaliation, uh you know, where somebody

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Speaker 7: you know sharing pornographic you know, material which sort of

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Speaker 7: similar to the parent similar which, by the way, is

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Speaker 7: also interesting because it was I want to say it

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Speaker 7: was Mike Braun's wife, who was a big uh who

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Speaker 7: was who was sort of let the charge on, you know,

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Speaker 7: sharing internet porn and sucking revenge porn and that whole

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Speaker 7: category is stuff. So I think it would be ironic

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Speaker 7: that if someone is actually arrested in charge at the

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Speaker 7: federal level, it's because of technically because of Mike Braun's wife,

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Speaker 7: who is tied to Manca Beckwe who's tied to the knuckleheads.

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Speaker 4: Who is it? I guess it's it's like a three

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Speaker 4: dimensional Marvel felt.

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Speaker 1: But there are rumors out there. Correct me if I'm

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Speaker 1: wrong that you've heard that there were already some sort

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Speaker 1: of investigation going on into something like because people are like,

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Speaker 1: how did the marrying Kundy prosecutors offusly show? Because Haggard

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Speaker 1: has said it, Craig Haggard Labianco reported it time cards. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: you just uh go on time cards, That's all I'll say. Okay,

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Speaker 1: very good. So I so you that is what you

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Speaker 1: had heard, is that there was a there is it

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Speaker 1: was is whatever some sort of investigation was already going on,

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Speaker 1: potentially into the Lieutenant.

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Speaker 7: Govern evolve involving I was told it was involves time

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Speaker 7: cards and employment.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you have a guy named Casper, you f.

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Speaker 1: You have governed Indiana politics and government for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: We got into this Jim Merit with Jim Merritt earlier.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a story like this or

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Speaker 1: is there any story that you've covered in the past

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Speaker 1: twenty years that you would say that's on the level

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Speaker 1: of weird of the allegations in the story. So that's

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Speaker 1: what they are right now, there's simply allegations, but it's

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Speaker 1: it is bizarre.

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Speaker 7: Every every and I should have known something like this

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Speaker 7: was abound to happen because every time I leave and

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Speaker 7: go on vacation, I can't leave for for a few days,

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Speaker 7: something stupid always happens. For example, I was in Chicago

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Speaker 7: on vacation with my parents years ago and then the

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Speaker 7: whole Phil Hinkle sex scandal stuff broke out. Another time,

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Speaker 7: it was like the riffra thing that all happened. So

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Speaker 7: it's like, apparently, whenever I leave town, something stupid happens,

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Speaker 7: and usually it has very the clatteral damage is really

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Speaker 7: huge and really big, and this has the potentially have

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Speaker 7: some major clateral damage and all political sectors right now.

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Speaker 1: One of the issues at play here is there's the

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Speaker 1: thing itself, right, like, did this happen? Did these guys

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Speaker 1: who who are alleged to have done this? By the way,

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Speaker 1: real quick, I do want to branch off, and we

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Speaker 1: got into this with Jim Marrit a little bit. Tom

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Speaker 1: Labianco is a known quantity around here, the guy who

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Speaker 1: broke the story because it wrote for Star for years.

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Speaker 1: Guys like that, and we talked about this in State

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Speaker 1: how's happenings? Don't know exactly what he's got, don't know

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Speaker 1: what his sources are. Guys like that Usually though, if

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Speaker 1: you think about it, like how people would write a

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Speaker 1: television series, they end with what's the season like, they

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Speaker 1: start with what's the end of the season going to be?

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Speaker 1: What's the big reveal? That you go everything led up

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Speaker 1: to this, and then they work their way backwards. Right.

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Speaker 1: It blows my mind that a guy like that would

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Speaker 1: name these people and would go down this this path

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Speaker 1: without some sort of thing in his pocket. At the

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Speaker 1: end when he's like, Okay, I've had enough of doing

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Speaker 1: these stories. Here's the big reveal. Doesn't mean he's doing

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Speaker 1: it that way, but just knowing this guy, and how

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Speaker 1: these guys can operate that that would surprise me if

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Speaker 1: he didn't happen.

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Speaker 7: And it is kind of like trying a case like, Okay,

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Speaker 7: what do we want the outcome to be guilty, not guilty,

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Speaker 7: liable not liable, mitigate damages not mitigate damages, and then

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Speaker 7: we sort of build from the outcome that we're trying

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Speaker 7: to get. Now, obviously you got to change as get

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Speaker 7: new information, no new evidence, no new testament of the

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Speaker 7: hoole nine yards by the end of the day. What

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Speaker 7: I can totally see Tom and knowing Tom for years

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Speaker 7: because we kind of sort of same approach.

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Speaker 4: What what what?

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Speaker 7: What's the point of the story Now, let's start filling

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Speaker 7: in So like John a reverse blueprint.

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Speaker 1: Right, and guys like that, they they have what they

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Speaker 1: want and they will get what they want out of it.

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Speaker 1: He's a freelance journalist, like I'm not. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: anything that I don't think the public knows, which is

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Speaker 1: his job is to get as many people to read

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Speaker 1: his stuff because he is a four higher journalist as

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Speaker 1: he possibly can. He would not be out of the

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Speaker 1: realm of possibility to think he wants to get seven

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Speaker 1: or eight stories out of this. He's not gonna put

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Speaker 1: it all out there in the beginning if he wants

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Speaker 1: to keep getting people to read.

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Speaker 7: By the way, people like Tom and I, we're in

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Speaker 7: the reputation business. Our reputation is our coin of the realm,

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Speaker 7: you know, That's how we make a living based on

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Speaker 7: what we do. And why you would purposely do anything

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Speaker 7: to harmon a reputation makes absolutely no sense. So for

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Speaker 7: them to accuse Tom of no line. He's making all

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Speaker 7: this sub he's got incredibility. Why would he do that?

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Speaker 1: Like, look what, let's be seriously, why would Tom go

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Speaker 1: through all the grief and hassle to do all the

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Speaker 1: research but I was sorry, that's not fundamentally true or

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Speaker 1: fundamentally right and open himself to a major lawsuit exactly

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Speaker 1: because he named the guys okay real quick on this.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that is now in play is like,

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Speaker 1: there's the story itself. Did this happen? Did these guys

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Speaker 1: share this thing? It's obviously State Rep's wife. That makes

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Speaker 1: it another layer to it. But Micah has made definitive statements.

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Speaker 1: He's made definitive statements. His office investigated it, He's made

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Speaker 1: definitive statements these guys didn't do this that I think

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Speaker 1: he said he didn't know about it. That's the other

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Speaker 1: side of it. Now, if any of that stuff gets disproven,

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Speaker 1: that is as big or a bigger story than whether

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Speaker 1: the guys did it or not, because he's made definitive statements.

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Speaker 7: And I think the thing to remember about those definitive

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Speaker 7: statements is it's the old joke. It's never the crime,

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Speaker 7: it's the law. You've said that for years. It's the

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Speaker 7: cover up. It's a cover up. And so if I

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Speaker 7: can prove that he was a liar in this one,

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Speaker 7: you're on her. Then guess what. We're going to peach

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Speaker 7: his whole testimony because I can't believe anything he says. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and again we always want to preface this. As Craig Haggard,

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Speaker 7: I believe said in the Indiest article today, nobody has

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Speaker 7: actually seen this video publicly saying they've seen the video

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Speaker 7: yet that we're aware of. And everybody's innocent until proven guilty,

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Speaker 7: and will just see what happens. But I'll wait to

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Speaker 7: read my cheat sheet this weekend.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's like the blueprints of the Death Star.

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Speaker 1: If Bill gives you boss, thank you, thank you, yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, it's gonna do it for us today. Great job, Casey,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kevin, and most importantly, thank you to you,

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Speaker 1: the listener. Without you, there is no US Kennell and

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