1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: I told you you're right again. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: I told you these data centers they're horror movie characters. 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: It's Jason Vorhees, it's Michael Myers, it's Freddy Krueger. Just 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 2: because you beat them once once, it's never over. There 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: has to be another sequel. And now which TV has 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: this article up that last night the Morgan County plan 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: Commission voted to screw over their residents who have come 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: out in droves who are overwhelmingly against this. And this 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: is what is so ridiculous to me, this publicly unnamed 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: project that wants to put a data center center's plural 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: or whatever on three hundred and ninety acres in Well, 12 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: I guess they've they've pared it down. It was three 13 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety eight. Now they've they've paired this down 14 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: that it's not quite as big, but it's one hundred 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 2: and fifty eight acres now and they've approved it basically 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: for the second time. And what I cannot fathom is 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: how if you are on a government board and you're 18 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: not disclosing to the public something of this magnitude of 19 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: what is going on there, how you possibly could vote 20 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: at a planning commission level to approve this. 21 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know who's behind it, but yeah, go ahead, 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 3: go for it. 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: I mean there are there are smaller projects that involve 24 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: some level of non disclosure from time to time, which 25 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: you know, I understand, I'm still not a big fan of, 26 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 2: you know, because some you know, smaller entity whatever, they're 27 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: concerned about proprietary secrets whatever. This is not that this 28 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: is our comes off as at least as or it 29 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: appears at least that this company, whoever it is, now 30 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: it's leaked out so allegedly that it's another Google project 31 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: going out there. Of course, the one in Franklin Township 32 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 2: has been beaten back for now. But what in the 33 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: hell is Morgan County and the people running Morgan County 34 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: what are they doing one approving this think period, but 35 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: two going against their residents who have come out in 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: full force and rightfully so, with massive unanswered concerns about 37 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: these data center projects. 38 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 39 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: So the project was part of a larger five hundred 40 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: and forty eight acre development, three hundred and ninety acres 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 3: already approved back in February, and now the plan is 42 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty eight acres and they've moved it 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: forward with a five to two vote by the Morgan 44 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 3: County Plan Commission. Many people are concerned about the higher 45 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: utility costs and the declining property values, also just the 46 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: negative impact it's going to have on the way the 47 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: land looks, the esthetics of it. There was another story 48 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: very similar to this out of Saint Joe County, New Carlisle, 49 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: Northern Indiana, where the se Joe County Council president initially 50 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 3: stated Friday. 51 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: Morning in a news right, I'm going to cut you 52 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: off here. 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody said this in the YouTube chat, and I 54 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: think Wish TV just didn't didn't word this correctly. I 55 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: think this person is right. I think this was just 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: not I'm not saying they did this deliberately or titically 57 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: or that even I think they added one hundred and 58 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: fifty eight acres to this project. I think they approved 59 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: the three to ninety and they didn't come back and 60 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: scale it down. 61 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: I think they scaled it up a plan to rezone 62 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty eight. 63 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: Acres, but I think that's on top of the three 64 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety that they already approved back in February. 65 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: I think they're adding because that wouldn't make any sense, 66 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: and so and somebody said this in the YouTube chat. 67 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: And so if somebody knows at Robin Kendall on Twitter 68 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: or at Casey Danniels three one seven, you can let 69 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: us know in the YouTube chat. I think that this 70 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: is and I think that's right. I think it's on 71 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: top of the three hundred ninety. So now you're at five, 72 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: you would be at five hundred and forty eight acres, 73 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: if indeed that is correct. That is unbelievable. 74 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: So they have the three hundred and ninety eight already approved, then, yeah, 75 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: and they needed to add one hundred and fifty. 76 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: Eight, Yeah, which is what they did. Yeah, because this 77 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. 78 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: Playing commissioners in February, I'm just reading this from which 79 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: TV approved three hundred ninety acres for the same project. 80 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: That wouldn't make any sense that they would come back 81 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: and ask for one hundred and fifty eight. 82 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: So I think they're right. I think that's correct, that 83 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: it's over. 84 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 2: It's now over five hundred acres for this mysterious project 85 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: that they. 86 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Won't tell the public who it is. Five hundred and 87 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: forty eight. 88 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: I don't mean to cut you off, but I think 89 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 2: I was getting that incorrect, and I wanted to make 90 00:04:58,839 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: sure that I yeah, you want to. 91 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: Be correc but you're right. 92 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: Go back to the point of who is it, who's 93 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: behind it? That information is not available. 94 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: No, they won't. 95 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: They won't tell you, So think about it if you're 96 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: so proud of And I just went through this in 97 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: warehouse Burg where I live over on the west side, which, 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: by the way, if you are in the need for 99 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: a high density housing development or a lifeless, bland dystopian warehouse, 100 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: Brownsburg is definitely the place for you to move. You 101 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: should get all over that as quick as you possibly can. 102 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: Or that they gave it some sort of. 103 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: Goofy code name project was Tahoe Project Tahoe. 104 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: And then it turns out that it was just a 105 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: giant Harper Collins warehouse. And then when I asked you, 106 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: is the IEDC was in the mix with quote unquote incentives? 107 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: I said, hey, you hit this from me as a 108 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: tax pair. You wouldn't tell me what it is? Can 109 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: you tell me what the actual incentives are? And the 110 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: economic development guy for the town gets up, No, No. 111 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: You can't have this information. Think about that, Okay, I. 112 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: Am a taxpayer who's paying for this, both in terms 113 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 2: of ubsidizing it because they're getting an abatement, which fine, whatever, 114 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: But then I'm also in some capacity paying for this 115 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: as a state tax payer because the IDC is involved. 116 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: All I want to know is what I paid to 117 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: bring this mega corporation to my community. One, you don't 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: get to know who it is until after we voted 119 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: on it. And two, I'm not going to tell you 120 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: what the incentives are. And they tried to put it 121 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: on the id SEE, and I said, wait a second, 122 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: you guys just get in bed with the boogeyman. That 123 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: is so rotten and corrupting an ethical they had to 124 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: do a forensic audit. And now it's come out that 125 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: these guys who were the three Kings article we saw 126 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: the other day in the Indie Star where these three 127 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: guys were funneling hundreds of millions of dollars of projects 128 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: to companies they or things they were affiliated within some capacity. 129 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: And you guys didn't raise you guys, being the town counsel, 130 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: diann't raise your hand and go, hey, we demand to 131 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: know exactly how this thing is being bought and sold 132 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: like that's our government. Hey, just step right up. We 133 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: don't need any information. Get out of here. But it's happening, 134 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: it looks to be happening over here. 135 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: Well, it's also happening in northern Indiana. So the San 136 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: Joe County Council president, he initially put out a newsletter 137 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: on Friday saying that Meta was the end user for 138 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: proposed data center in New Carlisle, and then hours later 139 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: the newsletter was revised to say Meta was only a 140 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: possible company involved, and then when he was asked about it, 141 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: he said, they don't know who it is. The actual 142 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: company behind the project remains undisclosed. So how could they 143 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: be proposing a data center and nobody, not even the 144 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: president of the county council knows who's behind it. 145 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and see this is where for all the fake 146 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: bs braun huffing and puffing at about utility rates and 147 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: the IEDC reforms, they're not going to reform anything that 148 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: actually matters. They want you to think they're doing something, 149 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: because this is the crap that all would have to 150 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: stop in order for anyone to believe that you're actually 151 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: serious about the taxpayers or making this work, is that 152 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: you have a massive project. 153 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: In this case We're talking five hundred and. 154 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: Fifty plus acres of land, a premium farm ground that 155 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: is going to go away. And the people of that area. Well, 156 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: first of all, the people that area number one don't 157 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: get to know. And me as a taxpayer who is 158 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: probably subsidizing this in some capacity, even though I don't 159 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: live out there, I don't get to know either. 160 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: You don't give a. 161 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 2: Damn about changing the system, mister Braun. As long as 162 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: anytime you can put IEDC behind it, and you can 163 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: hide and communities can hide, then no, you want the 164 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: same result. You just want people to think you're doing 165 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 2: something about it. 166 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna give you this thinker to consider. So 167 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: we hear from our government officials. But you know, AI 168 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: is the future. This is the direction we have to 169 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: go in this way, I mean, we need this. AI 170 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: is the future. Right when did the talking point go 171 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: from the children are our future to AIS our future? 172 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. 173 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: Well, look this is because you're and the other thing 174 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: they will not do. And James Briggs from the Indie 175 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: Star when he was in here a couple of weeks 176 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: ago with Jacob Stewart the other columnists, and they were 177 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: having their back and forth debate on the Franklin Township 178 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: Data Center. He admitted this, they're not clearly for any 179 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: person who's like, well, it's going to pay all these taxes? 180 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: Really what taxes? 181 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 2: Because all we see right now is everything appears to 182 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: be getting abated, both the property real and personal, so 183 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: the building and the stuff in it. There's all these 184 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: shadow incentives that we don't know what it is. And 185 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: I've never seen on any of these data centers, especially 186 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: ones that involve the IDC, any sort of public disclosure 187 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: to the taxpayers on hey, in ten years, this is 188 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: going to generate, you know, ten million dollars in taxes. 189 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: There's a reason they're not laying that out. 190 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: If it were so great, they would be telling everybody 191 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: exactly what it's going to be, and they're not doing that. 192 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: And there's a reason they're not doing that. So for 193 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: all you people say, oh, it's gonna pall these taxes, 194 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: show us, show everybody exactly what the incentives are, Show 195 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: what exactly what the giveaway is, Show what exactly what 196 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: the tax is paid are going to be, and then 197 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: we can judge it. 198 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: They don't want to do that.