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Speaker 1: Why from Ball Hartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Kats Today.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to release the Epstein files, release

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Speaker 2: the Epstein files.

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna anger me.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna make guys like me outrageously happy who have

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Speaker 2: been calling for the release of the Epstein files the

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Speaker 3: The real question is why is president changed his mind?

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Speaker 2: Well, Tony, you see, it's all just a game for

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Speaker 2: d chess that the President has been playing with these

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Speaker 2: stupid democrats, and you fell for it. Had whatever anybody

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Speaker 2: needs to tell themselves in order to go to sleep

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Speaker 2: at night, that's not what happened.

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Find everything going on at Tony Katz dot com, live streaming,

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Speaker 2: on the youtubes, on Twitter X, on Facebook, Tony Kats

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Speaker 2: Rady on Facebook, Tony Katz on Twitter x and of

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Speaker 2: course Tony kats YouTube dot com, slash, Tony Katz on

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Speaker 2: the youtubes. It wasn't for d chess. That just isn't real,

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Speaker 2: just wasn't. The President made a mistake, that is all.

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Speaker 2: That is all it is, and now he seems to

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Speaker 2: be correct in course with conversations that include we need

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Speaker 3: In the emsteam files, fine by me. I want to

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Speaker 2: In the files, and I want to know who was

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Speaker 2: on the island, of course, Jeffrey Epstein. The do we

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Speaker 3: Life, shod molesting scumbag.

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Speaker 2: people flew to the island of all different types, and

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Speaker 2: He had this woman, Julaine Maxwell's in jail right now,

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Speaker 2: That's what happened. Don't tell me it's nothing, as President

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Speaker 2: It clearly was a big deal. And if it was

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Speaker 3: And he's a pedophile.

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Speaker 2: If you want to play politics with the lives of children,

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Speaker 2: hiding because Trump's in the Epstein files. My god, everybody's

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Speaker 2: in the Epstein files. Everybody knows. They knew each other,

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Speaker 3: It's still true. He was just wrong, that's all.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't, as I see it, trying to protect himself.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people. I bet you didn't know that

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Speaker 2: the US Virgin Islands. She and the Epstein files. I

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Speaker 2: He's just one of many, many stories regarding Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: What Larry Summers is somehow immune because he's a Democrat.

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Speaker 2: You've basically said you're connected to Jeffrey Epstein. You've basically

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Speaker 3: We're here now.

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Speaker 2: With a very very interesting conversation ahead of us. What

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Speaker 2: about these elite, powerful people who thought it was okay

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Speaker 2: And at that moment, they can then ask themselves, well,

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Speaker 2: It's a really rare moment when you could do the

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Speaker 7: That's incredibly important, and I do support him and his administration,

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Speaker 7: The most hurtful thing he said, which is absolutely untrue,

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Speaker 2: Swatting is when you call the police and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: Nothing's actually happening. The whole thing was made up.

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Speaker 2: There was a lie. It happened to a state senator

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Speaker 2: in Indiana and all part of believe to be part

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Speaker 2: of redistricting. And will I will get to that story.

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Speaker 2: If she's been swatted, that is absolutely obscene.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 2: It could be because she's someone who has wanted the

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Speaker 2: release of the Epstein files, and maybe that annoyed President Trump.

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Speaker 2: It's I guess it's a question of how she was

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Speaker 2: demanding thing, because I've demanded the release of the Epstein files,

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Speaker 2: which now Trump is like to release the files. But

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Speaker 2: this whole thing about this toxicity and calling me a trader,

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Speaker 2: as Marjorie Taylor Green said it, that's what puts a

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Speaker 2: mark on me. Wait, are you making the argument that

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Speaker 2: the toxicity is only coming in one direction? What do

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Speaker 2: you think happened? What do you think is the reason

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Speaker 2: for this?

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, it has all come down to the Epstein files,

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Speaker 7: and that is shocking. And you know, I I stand

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Speaker 7: with these women. I stand with rape victims. I stand

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Speaker 7: with children who are in terrible sex abuse situations, and

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Speaker 7: I stand with survivors of trafficking and those that are

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Speaker 7: trapped in sex trafficking.

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Speaker 3: And I will not apologize for that.

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Speaker 7: I believe the country deserves transparency in these files. And

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Speaker 7: I don't believe that rich, powerful people should be protected

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Speaker 7: if they have done anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe rich powerful people should be protected either,

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Speaker 2: not at all. You think it all comes down to

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Speaker 2: the Epstein files, Well, maybe it does, but I think

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Speaker 2: there's a bigger question here, Marjorie Taylor Green, why are

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Speaker 2: you going on CNN to have this conversation. Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: was assassinated and the political left went huh, Kurt was

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Speaker 2: too short.

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Speaker 3: That's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Commentator after commentator after commentator on these networks didn't give

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Speaker 2: a damn. And now there's a big concern about Trump

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Speaker 2: and and toxicity and how we're speaking and how she

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Speaker 2: is apologizing about it. I'm sorry, this is not well

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Speaker 2: done and well handled. I'm not saying you should be threatened.

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Speaker 2: Do you absolutely don't threaten people? It's insane, But you

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Speaker 2: go on CNN to have the to have to make

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Speaker 2: the argument CNN's only talking to you because Trump's yelling

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Speaker 2: at you.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Representative Green, we don't know each other. Do

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Speaker 3: you think they like you now?

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Speaker 2: Do you think they're your friends? Do you think they care?

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Speaker 2: Do you actually think for a second this was the

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Speaker 2: proper venue? You know, sometimes it's hard to save people

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Speaker 2: from themselves. It's hard to believe that people can't understand

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Speaker 2: what's happening. But this was not a way to bring

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Speaker 2: people to your side. This was not a way to

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Speaker 2: make your case regarding the President being wrong, which is

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Speaker 2: an acceptable case to make. This was you giving CNN ammunition.

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Speaker 2: And if you think they're going to stop the toxicity

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Speaker 2: or they're commentators, well there is no way to help

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Speaker 2: you at all. Then I'm Tony Katz is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 8: But let me ask you the question I asked again.

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Speaker 8: So the tariffs have been removed from these items that

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Speaker 8: we all, many of us buy every you know, the

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Speaker 8: prorocery store, how soon do we expect the prices on

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Speaker 8: those goods now to go down?

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Speaker 9: Right? Well, the prices for those goods weren't necessarily going

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Speaker 9: up just because of tariffs, and so the crisis will

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Speaker 9: go down. Well, the prices will go down, of course,

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Speaker 9: but because the tariffs have been taken off, right, Well,

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Speaker 9: because the supply of the goods into the.

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Speaker 2: US is going to increase. But I mean to state

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Speaker 2: the obvious.

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Speaker 8: I mean, tariffs do raise prices on Americans displayed with

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Speaker 8: the President has said it over again.

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Speaker 2: It depends on So if you.

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Speaker 9: Look at it, how much has inflation gone up because

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Speaker 9: the tariffs. Everybody was saying we're going to have stagflation

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Speaker 9: because of the tariffs flit. In fact, year of year

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Speaker 9: inflation is down the lake.

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Speaker 2: Now the inflation has not gone up the way people said.

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Speaker 2: And there was a very interesting story that Breitbart had

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Speaker 2: regarding this. You see, they did a study from eighteen

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Speaker 2: seventy to twenty and they were able to show that

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Speaker 2: tariffs on a macro level do not increase short term inflation.

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Speaker 2: Really interesting. I reviewed this with doctor Matt will economist,

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Speaker 2: University of Indianapolis, and there are some flaws in this

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Speaker 2: in terms of they only use one data point. This

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Speaker 2: is not something that's been reviewed. This is not a

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Speaker 2: final paper by any stretch. But the conversation here that

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Speaker 2: you're taking tariffs off of cocoa, of coffee, of meat

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Speaker 2: of beef, and you know it's going to lower prices, Well,

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Speaker 2: it means tariffs do indeed raise the prices. And now

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Speaker 2: the question is if you are somebody who's a cattle

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Speaker 2: rancher in the United States, now Argentinian beef has no tariff,

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Speaker 2: do you now have to lower your costs. Now, you

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Speaker 2: guys know, if you listen to My Cigar and Bourbon Show,

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Speaker 2: I work with a group out of Indiana called Defiance Beef.

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Speaker 2: I order everything from them. You can use, eat, drink,

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Speaker 2: smoke is my cigar in Bourbon show. If you use

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Speaker 2: that promo code, you'll get one hundred and fifty dollars off.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned that because I'm a full disclosure kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: Defines beef dot com. I don't know how they respond

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Speaker 2: to this, and I'm a little concerned about that, except

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Speaker 2: for the fact that tariffs are still taxes and that's

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Speaker 2: something that still needs to get addressed.

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Speaker 3: So I'm happy for the removal.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's going to affect people in certain ways, but overall,

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Speaker 2: hopefully it means lower costs at a grocery store.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tony Fans wine from Vall Heartband and the Crossroads

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Speaker 1: of America. It's Tony Cats today. I favor redistricting, and

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Speaker 1: for some reason in the state of Indiana, this has

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Speaker 1: become a major issue and the President has now weighed in.

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Speaker 2: I live in this state. I do a morning show

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Speaker 2: in this state, the largest morning show in the state.

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Speaker 2: I would say.

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Speaker 3: So I will Tony Katz Tony Katz today, good to

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Speaker 3: be with you.

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Speaker 2: This show is heard across the state. People have opinions.

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Speaker 2: I'm one of those people. But I've heard a lot

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Speaker 2: of opinions about redistricting that involve a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 2: what can only be described as nonsense. Now, it's not

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Speaker 2: that it's nonsense because I want to do and somebody

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Speaker 2: else doesn't.

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Speaker 3: In the end, that's how people vote, right, do you

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Speaker 3: want something, do you not want something?

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Speaker 2: And so they're going to go to their elected officials

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Speaker 2: and say do this or don't do this. But I

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Speaker 2: want to make the conversation clear that it isn't a

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Speaker 2: fool's errand and the arguments against are very much not

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Speaker 2: in concert with any rational thought. This has been going

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Speaker 2: on for a while, the push for redistricting. There are

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Speaker 2: nine congressional districts in Indiana. Republicans hold seven. So the

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Speaker 2: question is, well, so you want to redistrict for the

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Speaker 2: other two? You want to readistrict because the Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: has done so in California, is doing so in Maryland.

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Speaker 2: Well Tony, Texas did it first? Concede Texas? Did it first?

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Speaker 3: Texas engaged a legal process.

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Speaker 2: A political process to change districts and draw the lines

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Speaker 2: for congressional districts, the congressional maps that would give the

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Speaker 2: party in power and advantage. That party is the Republican Party.

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Speaker 2: Texans could then decide what they do about this. And

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Speaker 2: in that conversation has come a conversation that's happening right

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Speaker 2: here in Indiana, which is the idea of, well, if

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Speaker 2: you draw the draw the lines differently, you're disentranchising these voters. No,

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Speaker 2: you're not.

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Speaker 3: That is a lie, So stop it, and I want

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Speaker 3: you to call people liars who say such a thing.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 3: No one is disenfranchised.

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Speaker 2: No one took away anybody's vote with a differently drawn line.

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Speaker 3: Was any vote taken.

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Speaker 2: Away with the lines drawn as they are? You might

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Speaker 2: have in your district a more Democrat leaning, more Republican leaning,

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Speaker 2: and you're the other way. Was your vote really taken away?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. You still have your vote. No one was disenfranchised.

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Speaker 2: It is a lie, so we should at least call

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Speaker 2: it as such. The opportunity Texans have if they don't

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Speaker 2: like this redistricting is they can vote out their local

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Speaker 2: state legislator.

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Speaker 3: That's the proper recourse in a political process, and I left.

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Speaker 2: It at that. Then California said, well, we're going to redistrict.

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Speaker 2: Oh so now it's about retribution. Well, if it's about retribution,

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Speaker 2: holy hell, game on kitten, Because in the retribution game,

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Speaker 2: Democrats are very very good at this and Republicans are

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Speaker 2: very very bad at this. And part of the reason

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Speaker 2: Republicans are very bad at this is because Republicans think

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Speaker 2: that somehow there are the rules that they are supposed

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Speaker 2: to be playing by. They're fully aware that Democrats don't

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Speaker 2: play by the rules. They are fully aware that the

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Speaker 2: Democrats are understanders of power, are utilizers of power, and

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Speaker 2: they don't apologize for power, and every single thing they

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Speaker 2: do is to amass more power.

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Speaker 3: And they don't care how they lie, how.

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Speaker 2: They scream, how they cajole, how they manipulate, how they

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Speaker 2: be us, nothing.

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Speaker 3: They've shown you.

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Speaker 2: Republicans are very concerned about how it looks. We're concerned about, well,

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Speaker 2: is this the right thing to do? And then they

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Speaker 2: kind of suck on their thumb and wept themselves and

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Speaker 2: hold on to their wood be and say, mom, is

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Speaker 2: it okay? Also, can I have ice cream? And you're like,

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Speaker 2: are you Joe? Biden and they're like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: is that what you want me to be, because I'll

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Speaker 2: be whatever you want me to be. Just please don't

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Speaker 2: hurt me. That's the Republican Party. And what Trump has

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Speaker 2: done is said you have to fight now. Some people

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Speaker 2: thought you have to fight like Trump, and that's not

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent true. You have to be willing to fight.

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Speaker 2: And the most recent thing we saw about this is

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Speaker 2: Republicans seeing Democrats screaming and yelling about the shutdown, and

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Speaker 2: Republicans said, we voted for the continuing resolution.

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Speaker 3: Vote for it. We could talk about the other things.

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Speaker 2: Everyone should be amazed that Republicans in the shutdown didn't crack,

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Speaker 2: because that's what everybody was expecting. That's what Democrats were expecting.

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Speaker 2: They don't care whether they're in the majority or they're

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Speaker 2: in the minority. They know how to wield power, they

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Speaker 2: know how to apply pressure, and Republicans in the main

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Speaker 2: throughout history have capitulated and they didn't on the shutdown.

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Speaker 2: And man, there's a real learning lesson there. No one

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Speaker 2: is disenfranchised by the changing of the drawing of the lines.

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Speaker 2: This leads us to the idea of fairness. You take

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Speaker 2: a look at your state. Right now, you take a

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Speaker 2: look at how the lines are drawn, and you tell

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Speaker 2: me what is fair about it? Go out, I'll wait.

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Speaker 2: Fairness does not exist in the drawing of a congressional line.

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Speaker 2: Fairness is the thing you tell your kid when you

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Speaker 2: want them to share the legos with the other kid.

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Speaker 2: So everybody will stop complaining and you can go back

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Speaker 2: to watching whatever it is you're.

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Speaker 3: Doom scrolling on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: That's what fairness is. Actually, that's not even fair, that's

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Speaker 2: just bad parenting. Fairness does not come up in this

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Speaker 2: conversation at all. Fairness was when everybody who is a

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Speaker 2: legal citizen of the United States got to vote, and

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Speaker 2: then they voted for elected leaders, and those leaders then

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Speaker 2: were imbued with certain levels of power.

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Speaker 3: And the question is why don't you use it?

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Speaker 2: And now what you're saying is because they won, they

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to use it.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, Well they use it.

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Speaker 2: It's not fair. Stop it. Fairness is a child's argument.

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Speaker 2: It is not a factual argument. It is not even

654
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Speaker 2: a decent argument, and it is an argument the political

655
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: right in Indiana and everywhere else should.

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Speaker 3: Push to the side.

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Speaker 2: Then I was told well, you know, the overwhelming amounts

658
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Speaker 2: of people in Indiana were called Hoosiers. By the way,

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00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: Hoosiers don't want this. Some of those polls had a

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Speaker 2: resounding fifty one percent of people who were opposed. If

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Speaker 2: you think that fifty one percent is overwhelming, I don't

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00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: think you understand what a poll looks like. And secondly,

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00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: don't blame me because Republicans have done a crap job

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Speaker 2: of selling the story. Democrats will oppose everything Republicans do.

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00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 2: So am I really supposed to pay attention.

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Speaker 3: To their part in this poll?

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Speaker 2: What does that matter in a political process where the

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00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: Republicans won the seats? It doesn't. Now, you might say,

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Speaker 2: specifically to your district, well, if this happens, I'm not

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00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: going to get reelected. Because there's many Republicans and independence

671
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: of an issue, you could make that argument. That isn't

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Speaker 2: the argument being made. The argument being made is it's

673
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Speaker 2: somehow overwhelmingly and no it's not. No, it's not.

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Speaker 3: It's a political process.

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Speaker 2: Abortion in the state of Indiana is overwhelmingly not wanted.

676
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: If Democrats had power, abortion would be legal up until

677
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Speaker 2: the third grade.

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Speaker 3: Did I say anything that isn't true? The answer is

679
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Speaker 3: of course not.

680
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Speaker 2: We're having a conversation about power and the utilization thereof.

681
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Speaker 2: One of the questions has been is this is all

682
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: about Trump. Trump wanted the redistricting. Well, I think Trump

683
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: did start this thing. And by the way, we should

684
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: be clear that just because your redistrict doesn't mean it's

685
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: gonna work, doesn't mean it's gonna work. It's very possible

686
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: that it doesn't work. Everything has a downside, Everything is

687
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: a risk. I concur with that. So did Trump? Was

688
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: he the first person to say yes? Does it make

689
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: it wrong?

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00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: And the follow up this is somehow this is really

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Speaker 2: going to energize Democrats. That might be the most ridiculous

693
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: arguments I have ever heard. It isn't going to energize democrats.

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00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: Trump hate energizes democrats, not policy.

695
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 3: Trump hat, non economics, trump hat.

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Speaker 2: That's the whole. If Republicans don't redistrict, do you think

697
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: Democrats are going to like you? You think they're going

698
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: to vote for you? If you don't, in the state

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00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: of Indiana vote for redistricting Republicans, do you think any

700
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: Democrats going to think, well, finally he's not Hitler. You

701
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: don't believe that to you? You don't actually believe that

702
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: you will be loved, do you? They might, And Republicans

703
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: seem to be concerned about this idea that it will

704
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: energize democrats. Maybe you should be more concerned about energizing

705
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: Republicans and independents and moderates and the people in your

706
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: state economic success, lower taxes, expanding an education to the trades,

707
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: put out your vision, execute on the vision, succeed and

708
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: show your success, show your work, and tell your story.

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Speaker 2: You're so worried about making a move because the other

710
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: guy's gonna get angry. You're not making enough moves to

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00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: show all the people in your state what a good

712
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: job you're doing. And you're sure as hell aren't selling it.

713
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: You're not. You know it, I know it, we all

714
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: know it. Let's not kid each other. That's the whole

715
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: point of this. Let's not lie. You win by being

716
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: bold and engaging policy that helps all the people of

717
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Speaker 2: your state. So the idea that well, we're not going

718
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Speaker 2: to vote for this because it will energize democrats is

719
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: a weak response, is a childish response, is a fear

720
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: based response, and says to me, you shouldn't be a

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Speaker 2: representative of mine. Know how, Finally, let's talk about the why.

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Speaker 2: What is the value of redistricting, Tony, What is it

723
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Speaker 2: that we win we're playing on this federal level. I

724
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: would argue that your state legislature has a responsibility to

725
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Speaker 2: the nation. I oppose the direct election of senators, and

726
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: if you know me at all, you know that I

727
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: always have The direct election of senators took place in

728
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 2: nineteen thirteen the seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

729
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Speaker 3: I have always always opposed this.

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Speaker 2: I'll read it by the way. The Senate of the

731
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: United States shall be composed of two senators from each state,

732
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 2: elected by the people thereof for six years, and each

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Speaker 2: senator shall have one vote. Senators used to be selected

734
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Speaker 2: by the state legislature, therefore more responsive to the state

735
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Speaker 2: and not as responsive to the whims of the people.

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Speaker 2: It was a purposeful decision by the founders that the representative,

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Speaker 2: thus being having more of them, they would therefore be

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Speaker 2: closer to the people, closer to their needs, closer to

739
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Speaker 2: their wants, and yes, more able to move and rise with.

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Speaker 3: The temperature that they're creating.

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Speaker 2: They're hot about a subject, their representatis going to talk

742
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Speaker 2: about it. The Senate often referred to, I think kind

743
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: of weirdly as the cooling saucer for the people who

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Speaker 2: want to use that argument. Was there to engage debate,

745
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: the world's most deliberative body, not to be moved by

746
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 2: the whims. Well, you have the direct election of senators.

747
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: They're moved by whims. It was a mistake and it

748
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: took away states' rights. This is your right, and you

749
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: have a national responsibility. You have a national responsibility to

750
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: look at what's going on around the country, how other

751
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: states are acting and reacting and ensure if anything I

752
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: don't know survive. And you say to me, well, that's

753
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: just a power grab. And now we come back to it.

754
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: All politics is a power grab. Politics is power. Why

755
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 2: are we pretending somehow it isn't. Democrats don't have an

756
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: issue with power, and they don't care if you like it.

757
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: They have said so they want to pack the court.

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Speaker 2: I've got candidates for office talking about it. I've got

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Speaker 2: the former attorney general talking about it. They use the

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Speaker 2: power to impeach Trump twice over nonsense. They couldn't even

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Speaker 2: get the second impeachment right. They have no problem utilizing

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Speaker 2: the power. A power grab, kitten, All politics is a

763
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Speaker 2: power grab. Let's grow up. Let's be people who are

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Speaker 2: honest Republicans in the state of Indiana. At least they

765
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Speaker 2: won and they can use their power to engage a

766
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: legal process, and if the voters have issue, the voters

767
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: can respond in their local elections. I can think of

768
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Speaker 2: nothing more conservative than that, nothing more American than that.

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Speaker 2: I believe we should redistrict and I think the arguments

770
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Speaker 2: against are absolute bunk, childlike pablum.

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Speaker 3: Un serious.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean I'm going to win the fights, but I

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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure I was clear about the position.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz, and this is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: Just I guess a question that's out there.

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Speaker 9: Why wouldn't they have been released the last four years

777
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Speaker 9: when President Vine.

778
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Speaker 2: Was in office?

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Speaker 10: Well that's the question every American is asking. Not every American,

780
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Speaker 10: but so many Americans are asking, what the hell.

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Speaker 4: Is he hiding?

782
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Speaker 2: Why doesn't he want them released?

783
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Speaker 10: When you don't want something like that's released, When even

784
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 10: a whole lot of Republicans are calling for the release

785
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Speaker 10: his own party members, people ask.

786
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Speaker 2: The question, what's he hiding? Uh? Chuck Chuck Shureer, Hey,

787
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Speaker 2: Tony kats how are you good, good, good, good to

788
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Speaker 2: see you good. No, no, no, I don't want a cheeseburger,

789
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Speaker 2: please please, I don't want to ruin my appetite.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't the question, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: The question was about Joe Biden not sharing anything in

792
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Speaker 2: the Apstein file. Just I guess a question that's out there.

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Speaker 5: Why wouldn't they have been released the last four years

794
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 5: when President Biden was in office?

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Speaker 10: Well, that's the question every American is asking a night.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is the question that every American is asking

797
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Speaker 3: every American.

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Speaker 2: But so many Americans are asking you. Yes, so many

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Speaker 2: Americans are asking why didn't Biden releases? The question was clearly,

800
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Speaker 2: why didn't Joe Biden release? What the hell is he hiding?

801
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Speaker 2: Why doesn't he want them released?

802
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Speaker 10: When you don't want something like that, it's released, when

803
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 10: even a whole lot of Republicans are calling for the

804
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Speaker 10: release his own party members, people ask the question, should

805
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 10: what's he high? And it's got to be answered by

806
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Speaker 10: releasing the vines.

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Speaker 2: First, President Trump is now in favor of releasing the files. Secondly,

808
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: glad he's finally there. Third, we've been in favor of

809
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Speaker 2: releasing them since the beginning. Fourth, who in the world

810
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Speaker 2: taught Chuck Schumer that he should like hold up his

811
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Speaker 2: fists like he's really where does.

812
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Speaker 3: This is not inspiring us to believe that you are strong.

813
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: This is us looking at you saying like you're saying

814
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Speaker 2: to yourself, I know I left my keys somewhere. Where

815
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: are my keys? It's an unseeriousness that exists when they

816
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: don't answer the basic questions. And you can argue that

817
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: there are plenty of people of both political parties that

818
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: don't answer questions. But now that it's out there, now

819
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: that it's out there that we're going to release these things,

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00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: are the Democrats going to sing a different tune? Is

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Speaker 2: there a how do I want to ask this? What's

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00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: the best way to ask this? How are Democrats going

823
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 2: to spin this to say, well, you see what Trump's

824
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: really doing? Again, I will say it. We have taken

825
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: the subject of children being abused and we have politicized it.

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Speaker 3: We took COVID a virus where we should have all

827
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Speaker 3: been unified.

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Speaker 2: And figuring out what this is, how to deal with

829
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Speaker 2: this and how to live our lives normally, and we said, no,

830
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Speaker 2: let's make it political. Now we're going to do it

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Speaker 2: with the abuse of children. Well, that's just ugly, very

832
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: very ugly. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 2: So there's a series of stories for us to get to,

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Speaker 2: starting with Mexico, where the gen Z protesters got into

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Speaker 2: a clash with police. Over one hundred officers were hurt.

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Speaker 2: They are calling for more enforcement to prevent organized crime

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Speaker 2: and alleged government corruption. This after a assassination of a lawmaker.

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Speaker 2: This is sadly way too standard for Mexico. They're targeting

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Speaker 2: the President of Mexico, Claudia Shinbaum, criticizing her socialist political

840
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Speaker 2: background and her handling of the cartel, so they don't

841
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 2: want socialists. Interesting, very very very interesting. They did enter

842
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: the uh the it's not a palace, it's presidential. I

843
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: forget the name of the house. I forget the name

844
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Speaker 2: of the of the building. And I haven't heard anybody

845
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: say it's a kin to January sixth yet. I'm a

846
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: little shocked by this. But I think this is interesting

847
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 2: because you know, not everything means everything to everyone and

848
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Speaker 2: every nation the same way. So a criticizing his news

849
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Speaker 2: nation reports it of her socialist political background. I don't

850
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Speaker 2: know what that means. I don't know what that is

851
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Speaker 2: supposed to to signify, and it needs a little more

852
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Speaker 2: in depth. Look, then there's Trump suing the BBC for

853
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Speaker 2: five billion dollars. They did they doctored the speech. They

854
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: doctored his January sixth speech, and they took out the

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Speaker 2: part where he said peacefully protested, which is a pretty

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00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 2: big deal. He said that they expects of a file

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Speaker 2: a damage's claim and that would be between one and

858
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Speaker 2: five billion dollars.

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00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: I have no idea how Donald Trump collects on this.

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Speaker 2: How in the world do you get the nation to

861
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Speaker 2: hand over five billion dollars to you. The BBC did

862
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: issue an apology. Two people did indeed lose their jobs,

863
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 2: but they did this. We are clear that we have

864
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Speaker 2: seen organization after organization after organization do.

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Speaker 3: This deceptively edit.

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Speaker 2: And you always note that when people say it's a

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Speaker 2: mistake or that wasn't we weren't trying to do that.

868
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Speaker 2: It's always in the same direction. It's always against Trump,

869
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: it's always against the political right. Every time you see

870
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: an issue, it's always in favor of this group and

871
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: always opposed to this group, always, always, always, always, there comes.

872
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: A moment you realize that This is not some kind

873
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: of bug. This is a feature.

874
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: This is who they are, This is how they work,

875
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: whether it's the United States or other places. If you

876
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: are progressive in these positions, you feel that you are

877
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: somehow called to engage in absolute manipulation. And it is

878
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: an absolute manipulation, and the manipulation is to keep going

879
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 2: a falsehood. It is clear that the BBC does not

880
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: care if they lie to the viewer. They want to

881
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: lie to the viewer. They hate the viewer, and they

882
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: want to only utilize the viewer to be able to

883
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 2: accomplish their goal, their agenda, their desire. They're want not

884
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: to actually engage news. News is the very last thing

885
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: they're interested in. What they're interested in is agenda. The

886
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: agenda at Wendy's, you know, the fast food place with

887
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: the square burgers and the potatoes. Really, I should have

888
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: said the Frosty's and the more Frosty's. Frosty sounds good

889
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: right now. Someone bring me a frosty, you know, I

890
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: will chocolate, which is the classic. I would take vanilla.

891
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: I like strawberry as ice cream. I don't think I

892
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: would like it as a frosty. And then they've got

893
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 2: some other flavor things. I'm like, that's just that's just

894
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: not okay. So chocolate orbanella. Someone could just bring me

895
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: a frosty that would be great. You know who you

896
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: are and you know where I'm at. Thank you. Wendy's

897
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: is going to close hundreds of stores. I do not

898
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Speaker 2: look at this as a conversation about the Trump economy.

899
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Speaker 2: As I was discussing with AI earlier. I think during

900
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: one of the breaks, we've got a livestream going at

901
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: YouTube YouTube dot com slash Tony Katch.

902
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: You could be a part of that five days a

903
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 3: week starting at noon.

904
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Speaker 2: There are things that are going to happen in this

905
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 2: economy that have nothing to do with President Trump and

906
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: certainly aren't his fault. It's part of growth and the

907
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: AI acceleration and explosion is going to lead companies, I

908
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: think falsely to believe that people can replace can be

909
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: replaced with the help of AI. There's going to be

910
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: a lot of early trust in AI, as we already know.

911
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 2: There have been trillions of dollars invested into artificial intelligence

912
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 2: all over the place. Because they are doing so, they're

913
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: going to then utilize these tools and say, how can

914
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: we use this to lower or for this or lower

915
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: other employee that lower costs heighten the profits, et cetera.

916
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: This is a serious issue for somebody who follows the

917
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 2: America first mantra, because that's also a bit of a

918
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: protect I shouldn't say a bit, it's also a protectionist mantra.

919
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: How do you protect American jobs that are now being

920
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: replaced by AI when Americans are investing so much money

921
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: into the AI, So people are going to shed jobs.

922
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Speaker 3: We've seen this from Amazon, We've seen this from.

923
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: UPS, which also has to do with the post COVID

924
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: world with also has to do with a bit of bloat.

925
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: They could have just felt we've got too many people here.

926
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Speaker 2: We can do more with less. Why aren't we doing

927
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: more with less? And so this AI world is going

928
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 2: to mean a shedding of employees and then Trump's economies. Look,

929
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: he's losing all these jobs. You're not talking about the

930
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: investment in the innovation side. It's not an honest conversation.

931
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Speaker 2: I think you need an honest conversation all the time.

932
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: You need an honest conversation about what we're seeing. Wendy's

933
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: which is not really affected. You could argue by the

934
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Speaker 2: AI side unless you're going to talk about kiosks taking

935
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: the orders and not people. They're going to do a

936
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: mid single digit percentage, So four to six percent is

937
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: what they're going to close. So the approximate number of

938
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Speaker 2: store closures is two hundred and forty one. I would

939
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: say that of all of those fast food companies, one

940
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: could argue that it's Wendy's that's the most stale. Not

941
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: not every company lasts forever. I'm not an anti Wendy's guy. Again,

942
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Speaker 2: Someone bring me the frosties. I'm saying that as a

943
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: level of marketing, as a level of inside people's heads,

944
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: McDonald's does a far better job, Chick fil A does

945
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: a far better job. Burger King did a whole refresh.

946
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: Wendy's could simply be in a place it's like, okay,

947
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: we need to engage a level of reinvention. We've got

948
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Speaker 2: fantastic social media, but now we have to have fantastic stores.

949
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Speaker 2: You know, we forget that that is a part of

950
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Speaker 2: these things. It's not all just well, who's to blame?

951
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes just time is to blame. The people of Staten

952
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 2: Island are blaming the other four boroughs. So New York

953
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,919
Speaker 2: is five boroughs. There's Manhattan, there's Brooklyn, there's Queens, there's

954
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 2: Bronx known as the Bronx, and then there's Staten Island.

955
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: Staten Island is famous for having landfills.

956
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: Staten Island is also famous for being the most conservative borough.

957
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: Did a lot of driving through Staten Island to get

958
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Speaker 2: to Brooklyn to see Graham Athel back in the day.

959
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: So one of the stories is is that Staten Island

960
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: lawmakers are taking a look into a secession bill, something

961
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Speaker 2: that I think has been discussed before.

962
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Speaker 3: And what they're saying is we have no interest at

963
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 3: all in being with these people.

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Speaker 2: They did have. It's a they did a vote, and

965
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: back in history it might have been like one hundred

966
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 2: years ago they talked about this. They don't want to

967
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: be a part of it. Manhattan and Brooklyn slap them around.

968
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: They end up paying more taxes. They don't feel they

969
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: get anything out of it. What's the point of all this?

970
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 2: It is just more example of people being unhappy with

971
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: Mom Donnie's victory and what they believe may very well come.

972
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Speaker 2: Now this is happening in Oregon where the eastern half

973
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Speaker 2: of Oregon they want to become part of something called

974
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Speaker 2: Greater Idaho. And then there are a series of counties

975
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Speaker 2: in Illinois that would like to be a part of Indiana.

976
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: And in Indiana they're like, yeah, sure, we can make

977
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Speaker 2: this happen, but you need the state approval. You need

978
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: Illinois approval. No one's going to let these people go.

979
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: Cook County, which is Chicago, is just going to continue

980
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 2: to abuse these people.

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Speaker 3: People forget that there was almost a state called Jefferson.

982
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Speaker 2: This was northern California and a little bit of southern Oregon,

983
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Speaker 2: and so there was this proposal for this state called Jefferson,

984
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: and they were going to vote on this on December seventh,

985
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one Pearl Harbor. And that ended the vote,

986
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: and that ended the push. You know, the idea that

987
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 2: we've got this map, we've got these states and they

988
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 2: all have to stay this way. It's not true at all.

989
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: But this is also a great example. I saw this

990
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: came up was this Shapiro was discussing that, you know,

991
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: if you can't afford to live in New York, maybe

992
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 2: you got to move out of New York. And some

993
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,959
Speaker 2: people on the right were like, see, this is the problem.

994
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: We need to make it more affordable for them. Some

995
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: places aren't affordable, you move to where it's more affordable,

996
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: and you then build your life there. This is standard.

997
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: This is the way all migration has gone. The answer is,

998
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 2: I gotta make it affordable for people in New York.

999
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: It's more affordable. In Indiana, it's more affordable in Nebraska,

1000
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 2: it's more affordable in Louisiana.

1001
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 3: You don't want to live in those places. Sounds like

1002
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 3: your problem.

1003
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: So the people of Saten Island might have to say

1004
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: to themselves, by Felicia and get out. There's something romantic

1005
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: about this. They're not saying they want to leave the country.

1006
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: That's not They're saying they want a better life, and

1007
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 2: those people can't give it.

1008
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 3: So let us have our independence, let us go.

1009
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think. I don't think it's

1010
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: gonna work, but I do like that people discuss it.

1011
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz. Today Newsmax is

1012
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 2: reporting that Democrats want to push the housing crisis on

1013
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 2: President Trump in twenty twenty six. I swear to you

1014
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 2: if there is not a better example of do you

1015
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: want to solve problems or do you want power? I

1016
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 2: do not know what it is. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

1017
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: so good to be here, so good to be with you.

1018
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: Dems to push housing crisis on Trump in twenty six.

1019
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 3: Shouldn't we.

1020
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 2: Want to.

1021
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 3: End a housing crisis.

1022
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 2: Shouldn't we want to think of ways of engaging more

1023
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 2: affordable housing. Instead, Democrats want to see how they can

1024
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 2: get a political victory, not solve a problem. Solving problems

1025
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: is not what it's about. Jade Van said, We've got

1026
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: to get our blue states to build enough houses for

1027
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: their citizens, because the red states of the federal government

1028
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 2: are actually doing a really good job. Part of the

1029
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: problem is because I'm a I have stated before that

1030
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: part of the issue is what we have learned from

1031
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 2: all these remodeling shows and people say, you know, I'm

1032
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: a first time home buyer. I can afford one hundred

1033
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars and the house has to have

1034
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: granit countertops and stands, steal appliances, The house has to

1035
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: have a roof, maybe a door. It's a first home.

1036
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: You don't need all those things. You don't need them.

1037
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 2: Stop thinking that you have to have them. No, you

1038
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: don't know, you don't You're irrational. Well, I'm two years

1039
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: out of college. I need a brand new sixty thousand

1040
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: dollars car. No, no, no, you don't. No, you certainly

1041
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: do not, and yes, a chat room. You do not

1042
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 2: need a fifty year mortgage. But as was explained to

1043
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: me by Fingers molloy, who does eat, drink, smoke with me, well,

1044
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 2: if builders build homes to be able to maximize, which

1045
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with, and the house is

1046
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 2: there for a five hundred thousand dollars house, how does

1047
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 2: somebody afford it when they're just starting out?

1048
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 3: So they do have an issue that is actually not

1049
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 3: of their making. That's a point that is a solid,

1050
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 3: legitimate point.

1051
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: We also have a realization that younger generations see the

1052
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: housing differently and they don't necessarily view home ownership as

1053
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 2: the end all be all. How do we fix an

1054
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: issue when we haven't perfectly defined what the issue is.

1055
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: If the issue is the cost, how do you lower

1056
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 2: the cost of building a home? If the issue is

1057
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: the cost? In New York City, why are we paying attention?

1058
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 4: And then.

1059
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 3: Are we engaging rationally with.

1060
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 2: People about economics, their own economics, about what they can

1061
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 2: actually afford and how they can build towards something bigger

1062
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 2: and better.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Katz today, line from Vaal Hartbeyer and

1064
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: the Crossroads of America. It's Tony Katz today. Operation Southern

1065
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,839
Speaker 1: Spear seems to be in full.

1066
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Speaker 2: Effect, as it was announced that three more Narco terrorists

1067
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: were killed in strikes by the US military. Tony Katz,

1068
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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. This was

1069
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: an announcement from the Secretary of War Pete haig Set

1070
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 2: they're calling him the Secretary of One now that Operation

1071
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: Southern Spear will be a military and surveillance operation in

1072
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 2: the southcomb Aoar.

1073
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Speaker 3: That's area of responsibility.

1074
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Speaker 2: You already saw the USS scherild Ford moved into the

1075
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: Caribbean to lead this. That is the largest aircraft carrier

1076
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: that we have in the fleet. I have no issue

1077
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Speaker 2: with the movement of the United States Navy, the show

1078
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: of force that it is right. As a major Mike Lyons,

1079
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 2: retired the United States Army described it a Trump's doctrine

1080
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: of visible leverage, which is to say, hey, we really

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Speaker 2: do have the big stick, and hey we will totally

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Speaker 2: use the big stick, so maybe you should calm down.

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Speaker 2: We absolutely have a problem with Venezuela and other countries

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Speaker 2: sending drugs into the United States, and it has to

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Speaker 2: be dealt with, And no, I have no issue with

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Speaker 2: it being dealt with this way. My argument has been

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Speaker 2: and I believe this is the congressional argument, and I

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Speaker 2: believe it has a lot of accuracy, that you can't

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Speaker 2: engage a war action without Congress's approval. And that's clearly

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Speaker 2: what this is. It is what it is, and it

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Speaker 2: is a war action. Calling these drug runners narco terrorists,

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Speaker 2: you're making a claim about the government and its leadership,

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Speaker 2: no matter how false or how unworthy or how fraudulent

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Speaker 2: they are.

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Speaker 3: So therefore one must state the words.

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Speaker 2: Which is we're with Venezuela. One must get some level

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Speaker 2: of authorization. The president could defend the nation. Fact the

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Speaker 2: president engaging in a military operation against an enemy that

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Speaker 2: he has now declared on an ongoing basis might need

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Speaker 2: some congressional approval. That's all. That's all. And if you

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Speaker 2: want to put Democrats on the record being opposed to

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Speaker 2: stopping these narcotics.

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Speaker 3: From entering the United States, Moman, go right ahead.

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Speaker 2: I'll all in for that.

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Speaker 3: Put him on the record.

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Speaker 2: But you're gonna have to get him on the record,

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Speaker 2: because I think that these members of Congress have a point.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with the reduction in technariffs. Doctor Mattwill

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Speaker 2: economists up next to discuss it. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: So President Trump decides that tariffs on beef and coffee

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Speaker 2: are all of a sudden no good. These are a serious,

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01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 2: serious issue, these tariffs, and they have to be gotten

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Speaker 2: rid of in order to lower prices. Yet I have

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Speaker 2: been told reliably by all the people of Magaville that

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01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 2: tariffs are great.

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Speaker 3: It's what's going to make America safe.

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Speaker 2: And you don't understand Tony and Steve Bannon referred to

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Speaker 2: me as a stock Republican. Oh Steve, you're pretty Tony Katz,

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Speaker 2: Tony Kats today, Good to be with you. If the

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Speaker 2: tariffs work so beautifully, why cut any tariffs at all,

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Speaker 2: especially on things like beef or coffee or bananas and coco.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Mattwill joins us economist at the University of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: And this all starts with a story I saw at

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Speaker 2: Breitbart Duck and it was a FED study. This is

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Speaker 2: what the headline says, FED, meaning the Federal Reserve. FED

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Speaker 2: study vindicates Trump policy one hundred and fifty years of

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Speaker 2: evidence show tariff's lower inflation. And they go through this

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Speaker 2: idea that they studied from eighteen seventy to twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and they took a look at tariffs the United States,

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Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, in France. They took a macro view

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01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: at this and what they came to realize is that

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Speaker 2: when you engage tariffs in putting a price increase on

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Speaker 2: things from other countries, that what happens is that inflation

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Speaker 2: doesn't go out of control. And we certainly have seen the.

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Speaker 3: United States that inflation did not rise. It's been kind

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Speaker 3: of interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's still higher than where the Fed wants it to be.

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Speaker 2: But I sent this story to you, doctor will and

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01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: I said, break this down for me. What in the

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01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: world are we seeing here? So before we get into

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:58,879
Speaker 2: Trump's changes on tariffs, wood and iron included, along with coffee, tea, beef, bananas,

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Speaker 2: and tropical fruit, just to name some, walk me through this.

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Speaker 2: You read this story over at bright Bart. What was

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: the story saying and does it have credibility?

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Speaker 4: Well, let me start off by saying, I downloaded the

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Speaker 4: twenty five page report, I went through it in great detail,

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Speaker 4: and what I can tell you is that the bright

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Speaker 4: Bart headline is misleading. The research report, by the way,

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Speaker 4: it's just a working paper. That means that it's not

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Speaker 4: even in its final version. There's still some flaws in

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Speaker 4: it that need to be fixed, and it came up

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Speaker 4: with some conclusions. By the way, I agree completely with

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01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,560
Speaker 4: its conclusions, just not the clickbait that's attached to it.

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Speaker 4: There was some good about tariffs, and there is a

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Speaker 4: lot of bad about tariffs in this report, and there's

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Speaker 4: nothing in it that I would disagree with. In fact,

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent of what it says. You and I

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01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 4: have been saying since February. So let's just start off

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Speaker 4: by saying the headline is misleading, and when you get

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Speaker 4: into the details, there's really no surprises. So let's start

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Speaker 4: with the good news.

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Speaker 2: No, no, yea, let's start with what is it that

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Speaker 2: you agree with?

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Speaker 4: Well, I agree with all of it, but it's only

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01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 4: one piece of positive and three parts negative. For Trump.

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01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 4: The positive that this is what's true in the headline.

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Speaker 4: The CPI doesn't increase for three months following a tariff,

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Speaker 4: No big deal. The CPI is only a partial measurement

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Speaker 4: of consumer prices. It's not even the total inflation picture,

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Speaker 4: all these other things pce ppi ism. They cherry pick

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 4: one little inflation indicator and only for a narrow timeframe,

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Speaker 4: which was three months. Terrorists are attacks. Taxes do not

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01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 4: immediately cause inflation. What they do is they cause the

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Speaker 4: price of goods to go up, but other goods don't

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Speaker 4: get purchased. If you're buying more bananas or more coffee,

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01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 4: you're buying less of something else. So the CPI has

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Speaker 4: not changed in the three months following a tariff. But

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Speaker 4: you and I have seen Toyota's profits, GM private profits,

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Speaker 4: Intels profits, you know, John Deere's profits. All these companies

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Speaker 4: are eating the tariffs. This report does accurately say the

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Speaker 4: CPI doesn't go up for three months, but they didn't

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Speaker 4: look for four months or five months or six months

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Speaker 4: down the road. And they only looked at one small

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01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 4: narrow indicator. And they're correct on that one small narrow indicator.

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Speaker 4: But here's here's the revelation. They point out the reason

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Speaker 4: and these are problems that are buried and Breitbart did

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Speaker 4: not report about this, and the report it has it

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Speaker 4: in there. You just have to read it. Why is

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Speaker 4: inflation down for consumers because demand is down because when

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Speaker 4: you have a tariff, it says in this research report

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Speaker 4: that people have less money to spend, so they buy

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Speaker 4: less of other things. So there's a decrease in consumer demand.

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Speaker 4: That's what happens in socialist countries. That's why they have

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Speaker 4: no consumer goods. So they say, yeah, inflation's down. That's

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Speaker 4: because people have no money to buy anything.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing.

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Speaker 2: They say, oh, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 3: Let's stop for a second.

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Speaker 2: Talking to doctor Mattwell, economist at the University of Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: people are buying everything everywhere all the time. What do

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 2: you mean they have no money to buy anything.

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Speaker 4: I'm exaggerating to the degree they have less money. So

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Speaker 4: let me be more precise and academic. The inflation CPI

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01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 4: is down because demand is down for other products because

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01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 4: when people spend more money on a tariffed product, they

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01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 4: have less money to spend on another product. Therefore they decrease.

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Speaker 4: There's a decrease in consumer demand for other goods. That's

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Speaker 4: what I mean. So you're spending more on your bananas,

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01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 4: so you have less money to buy a watch, and

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Speaker 4: so as a result, there causes a decrease in demand

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Speaker 4: and that's what this report found. There's just a drop

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Speaker 4: in demand which causes short term, short term consumer lack

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Speaker 4: of inflation. That's what I'm I'm sorry, Tony if I

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Speaker 4: exaggerated with hyperbole.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I want to make sure everybody's on the

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Speaker 2: same page with what it is that we see. So

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Speaker 2: on this report. The report isn't utilizing a totality of sources.

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Speaker 2: It's just using one index to come up with its conclusion.

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Speaker 2: And this is only a working paper. This hasn't been

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Speaker 2: Is a question not being peer reviewed or is it

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Speaker 2: a question of even if it was, it's utilizing one

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Speaker 2: bit of analysis to which okay, but it isn't giving

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Speaker 2: a total story.

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Speaker 4: No, that is correct. By the way, I agree with

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01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:51,440
Speaker 4: its conclusions. It's only a working paper. It needs some improvements.

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Speaker 4: If I were to give the author some advice, I

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Speaker 4: could tell you where the nerdy statistics would be. But no,

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Speaker 4: I agree with the conclusions and the narrow definition of inflation.

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Speaker 4: But that's not the headline. The headline that is not

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Speaker 4: reported by Breitbart is that it found two other major

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01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 4: problems with tariffs that are not in the headline. One

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01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 4: is that the tariffs reduce economic activity that tariffs cause

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01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 4: a drop in the economic production of a country, and

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Speaker 4: we have seen that. You and I have talked about it.

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Speaker 4: The PMI is down eight months in a row, eight

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Speaker 4: months in a row since the terrorifts began. We've seen

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01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 4: a contracting of the manufacturing in the United States. That

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Speaker 4: should be the headline of this research report. I agree

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Speaker 4: with its conclusion, it just isn't reported in the headline

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Speaker 4: by Breitbart or its own report in the summary at

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Speaker 4: the top. The second thing, the third thing, is that

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Speaker 4: tariffs cause unemployment. This report says tariffs cause unemployment. Surprise,

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01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 4: look at the headlines. There are reports everywhere about people

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01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 4: losing jobs. It saves the job in that one company

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01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 4: that's protected by a tariff, but the overall economy suffers.

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Speaker 4: So this report, again I don't disagree with the conclusions,

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Speaker 4: but the headline misreports what's actually in this research data.

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Speaker 2: Talking to you, doctor Matt Will, economist at the University

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Speaker 2: of Indianapolis, Now let's engage a larger conversation. This cutting

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Speaker 2: of these tariffs come after the election of Mamdanie in

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01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 2: New York. A couple other Democrats and Republicans feeling in

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01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 2: a very very quick bit of reflection that you know

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01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 2: what it's about. Affordability. We understand the affordability argument. We're

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01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: the people making it affordable on drug prices, let's say,

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Speaker 2: even though I don't necessarily like the methodology, and we

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Speaker 2: are going to make things more affordable here, there, and everywhere.

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Speaker 2: And President Trump getting that message and saying, okay, we'll

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Speaker 2: reduce to tariffs on things that I have been railing about,

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Speaker 2: specifically beef, and he's been going after those who are

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Speaker 2: cattle ranchers, which I don't think is the best approach.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to get rid of the tariffs on beef,

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Speaker 2: and therefore beef will be less expensive from other countries.

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Speaker 3: See problem solved.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing a great job because I understand things are

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01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 2: costing too much right now and they will get better

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01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: over time, an argument he's finally starting to make. But

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01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: isn't this the correct Maybe I'll say it differently. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: this prove us correct that tariffs indeed raise the prices?

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01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 2: Or is this part of some other strategy that economists

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Speaker 2: might understand but layman might not be aware of.

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Speaker 4: It's possible to be both, and I'll tell you both,

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01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 4: because first of all, it is in recognition that tariffs

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01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 4: are bad. But also it's a different strategy because recall

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Speaker 4: that what he's trying to do with beef is Argentina.

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Speaker 4: He needs to help out the president of Argentina, who

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Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of and I believe you're a

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Speaker 4: big fan of, yes, And what he did recently is

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Speaker 4: he quadrupled the import quota of beef from Argentina to

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01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 4: eighty thousand metric tons. So part of this is to

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Speaker 4: give Argentina tariff relief. That's what the President is doing.

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01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 4: So both of your points are correct. There's another reason,

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Speaker 4: which is Argentine Argentinian beef, and the other is to

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01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 4: actually admit that the tariffs are a bad idea. And

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01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 4: so let's spin it in a way that makes it

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01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 4: look like, oh, it was good, but now we've served

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01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 4: its purpose. Let's get rid of it.

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Speaker 2: So when we talked about Argentina and the credit swaps,

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Speaker 2: so here's.

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Speaker 3: How it went down.

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Speaker 2: Guys. We gave Argentina twenty billion dollars US dollars cash greenbox.

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Speaker 3: You've seen pictures.

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Speaker 2: We took twenty billion dollars of our Argentinian pesos, which

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Speaker 2: you've never seen, and really aren't worth much, and that

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Speaker 2: is called a credit swap, and it's not usually done

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Speaker 2: with nations that aren't first world nations like ourselves.

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Speaker 3: It was to give them a lifeline.

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Speaker 2: And one of the problematic parts of this doctor will

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Speaker 2: was that they could use that twenty billion dollars and

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Speaker 2: go buy Chinese products and other products. And so we're

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Speaker 2: helping out other economies and we're left holding the bag

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Speaker 2: of this twenty billion. Secondary of the Treasury Scott Bessen

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Speaker 2: last week was saying we made a profit on the

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Speaker 2: credit swaps. I was trying to figure out what he

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Speaker 2: meant by profit. I understand the definition of profit, but

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Speaker 2: where and how and how do we see it? How

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Speaker 2: did it manifest? Can you explain it?

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Speaker 4: That's very interesting. And I apologize for not having the

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Speaker 4: Argentinian to the US dollar conversion in front of me,

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Speaker 4: But what he is saying is that we bought pasos

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Speaker 4: and then under some short timeframe, we sold the pasos

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Speaker 4: back and we got more dollars in exchange. I don't

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Speaker 4: know that that's true, and I also don't know that

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Speaker 4: that's false. I don't have the Argentinian paso data in

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Speaker 4: front of me. I could look it up and give

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Speaker 4: it back to you. But that's what he's claiming. I

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Speaker 4: don't know that it's true or that it's false.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is with the beef.

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Speaker 4: Let's not believe this topic is this is a great thing.

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Speaker 4: This is in fact, you and I discussed this on

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Speaker 4: the air previously, that the way to help out Argentina

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Speaker 4: is to remove all the tariffs so that they can

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Speaker 4: buy stuff. I mean, so that we can buy their stuff.

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Speaker 4: If we buy Argentinian beef, they get us dollars, then

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Speaker 4: we don't have to do the currency swamp. Let them

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Speaker 4: sell us stuff. That's how everyone should get the dollars.

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Speaker 4: It shouldn't be done through this government imposed currency swamp.

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Speaker 2: Talking to doctor Matt Will, economist at the University of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: So now let's get back to the reduction of these tariffs,

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Speaker 2: these tariffs on coffee and a whole bunch of things.

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Speaker 2: Now there's a real tariff that I'm looking at as

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Speaker 2: President Trump wants to do a one hundred percent tariff

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Speaker 2: on Nicaragua, which is going to damage the cigar industry

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Speaker 2: in ways that I cannot explain or comprehend. But the

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Speaker 2: removal of these tariffs on these everyday items. At what

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Speaker 2: moment does it get felt and maybe maybe more to

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Speaker 2: the point, will it will Americans notice a price difference

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Speaker 2: in products? And does the removal of an Argentinian tariff

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Speaker 2: on beef then lower the cost of American beef? Wow?

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Speaker 4: Okay, which one do you want to deal with? First?

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the labbe because you talked about beef specifically,

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Speaker 2: so American cattle ranchers do they now say, Hey, the

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Speaker 2: tariff has been lowered on Argentinian beef, so we're going

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Speaker 2: to lower our price so we're better competitive because we

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Speaker 2: have to keep our stuff selling instead of the Argentinian stuff.

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Speaker 4: Possibly, and I mean that possibly. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 4: avoid your question because what it creates a competition. Tariffs

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Speaker 4: create an artificially high price, so that means Argentinian beef

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Speaker 4: would cost more. Therefore US producers can charge more as

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Speaker 4: well because the competition is more expensive. You remove the tariff,

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Speaker 4: there's competition and everybody will have to compete on quality

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Speaker 4: and price. So yes, US consumers will benefit. Now, I'm

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Speaker 4: okay if a US rancher has to cut their prices,

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Speaker 4: because I'm the consumer and I want to pay less

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Speaker 4: for my stake. I don't want to be subsidizing the

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Speaker 4: cattle industry by my government imposing a tariff or a

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Speaker 4: tax or any other protective measure. So, you know, maybe

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Speaker 4: people won't like me for saying it, but I'm fine

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Speaker 4: if US producers have to compete with other producers on

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Speaker 4: a level playing field, and if that causes price to

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Speaker 4: go down, good.

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Speaker 2: So now back to the other part of it. Will

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Speaker 2: we see in all of these products the prices going

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Speaker 2: down now that the tariff has been removed.

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Speaker 4: It hasn't been removed. The tariffs on Brazilian coffee were

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Speaker 4: rolled back, they weren't reduced or eliminated. There's still an

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Speaker 4: additional there's still at least a ten up to a

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Speaker 4: forty percent tariff. It was fifty. This is simply being reduced.

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Speaker 4: That's purely window dressing. It has not been eliminated. So

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Speaker 4: I don't think you're going to see a reduction in

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Speaker 4: cost because it simply provides a little bit of relief,

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Speaker 4: not a lot, and the wholesalers, the importers will have

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Speaker 4: to decide how much of that cost to pass along.

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Speaker 4: We have not changed our scenario. This is strictly window dressing.

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Speaker 4: You go from fifty percent down a little bit, it's

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Speaker 4: not that big of a change.

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Speaker 2: If you're advising President Trump. And I would still argue

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Speaker 2: that most people feel better with him engaged in economic

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Speaker 2: realities than Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. What is the

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Speaker 2: advice to winning this even if we want to think

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01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 2: it's accurate, or even if you think it's inaccurate, let's

1381
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 2: just use it. What do we think of him and

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01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 2: the advice should give to how to win this affordability conversation?

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Speaker 4: I would say that President Trump is doing a fantastic

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Speaker 4: job in so many areas such as deregulation, business friendly environment,

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Speaker 4: getting people to invest in the United States. Across the board,

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Speaker 4: his policies are working. He has one headwind that continues

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Speaker 4: to be the terriff situation, and the consumers are starting

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Speaker 4: to feel it. Like we started our conversation, the research

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Speaker 4: report said, short term there's not consumer inflation. The longer

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Speaker 4: term there probably is, and we see it. He's harming

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Speaker 4: the consumer at this point with the consumer based tariffs,

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Speaker 4: and I think if he would simply eliminate it, all

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Speaker 4: his other incredibly good policies would actually cause the economy

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Speaker 4: to grow even more than we've seen at the three

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Speaker 4: point eight percent from last quarter.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Matt Will, economists at the University of Indianapolis. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time to more is coming up

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Speaker 2: to keep it here. I'm Tony Katz and this is

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, just to follow up on the conversation

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Speaker 2: of power, because there are people who are very much

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01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 2: afraid of power, very much afraid to use their power,

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Speaker 2: as we are seeing in my state, Indiana, where the

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Speaker 2: conversation has been about redistricting. Of course Texas did this,

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Speaker 2: and then California is now doing it in response. It's retribution.

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Speaker 2: Maryland's doing it.

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Speaker 3: North Carolina did it.

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Speaker 2: Well, this subject has come to Indiana and state Republicans

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01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,720
Speaker 2: in Indiana are like, nah, now we're not we don't

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Speaker 2: think that's right.

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Speaker 3: And there's this weird argument going around.

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Speaker 2: About how it's not fair and it's rigging things. It's

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Speaker 2: as if people forgot that politics is about power. And

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Speaker 2: I'm really not interested like you are. Neither one of

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Speaker 2: us is interested in children actually being able to have

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Speaker 2: a say at the grown up stable Tony Katz, Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today, great to be with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that people can disagree with us. You

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Speaker 3: might disagree with me.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. We engage the conversation honestly, and one of

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01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 2: us is gonna win and one of us is gonna lose.

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01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 2: I have won battles, I have lost. That's life in

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01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 2: the NBA, right, you you lose? I think it's the

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01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 2: line is from the West wing.

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Speaker 5: You know what I do.

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01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: I lose.

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Speaker 3: I have a drink. I'm back out of the next day.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and some people don't have a drink.

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Speaker 2: But however, you have to understand that when you put

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Speaker 2: yourself out there, you put these ideas out there.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you're Victoria, sometimes you're not.

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Speaker 2: That's okay. I think redistricting should happen. I have made

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Speaker 2: this argument repeatedly. Redistricting should happen, and it starts with

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Speaker 2: the understanding that, of course, this is about power. Oh

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Speaker 2: this is just a terrible power graph from the Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Would everyone grow up? If Democrats had power in my state?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine what they do? I don't have to

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Speaker 2: imagine because I see what happens in Illinois. I see

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Speaker 2: what happens in other states, and so do you. We

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Speaker 2: don't have to imagine this is the candidate Persena in Maine,

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01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 2: Graham Platner, this Democrat, he's the one who's got the

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Speaker 2: Nazi Nazi tattoos almost said Nazi.

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Speaker 3: Like don't I don't know, I had an accent from

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Speaker 3: Wisconsin or something? Would that be North Dakota.

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Speaker 2: Don't. I'll leave that to others he has. He's got

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Speaker 2: the Nazi tattoo that would disqualify anybody else but him.

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01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,560
Speaker 2: He didn't know the tattoo he was getting. Okay, sure, whatever.

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01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 2: This is the guy who dances shirtless site in Virginia.

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01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:25,679
Speaker 2: They voted to elect an attorney general who fantasized about

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Speaker 2: killing children. I don't know. Compared to that, maybe the

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01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:35,360
Speaker 2: Nazi tattoo is just timid. Anyway, he understands power. Listen

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01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 2: to his speech.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna start treating the Supreme Court like the political

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01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 5: action wing that it is. It is not functioning as

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01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 5: a as a constitutional life. And it's very frustrating for

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01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 5: me that there are I think there are Democrats in

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01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 5: the Senate that I do not understand or don't want

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01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 5: to understand the power they actually have. And there is

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01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 5: the Senate for if we need to reject the sound

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01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 5: of the majority finger stress. We need to use every

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01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 5: single lever of power that we have to deal with

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01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court. And I think that a lot of

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Speaker 5: us in the ethics.

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01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 2: Over cycle shack well. I'm a supporter of.

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01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 5: Sacking the Court. I'm also a supporter of I mean,

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01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 5: the Senate can write its own rules, the Senate can

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01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 5: come up with its own ethics oversight requirements. It just

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01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 5: shoots his notch. This is important, and I fairly believe

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Speaker 5: if we held Supreme Court justices to the same standard

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Speaker 5: that we hold other federal judges, there is a compelling

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Speaker 5: case for the impeachment and removal of at least two cities.

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Speaker 2: We need to use our power.

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Speaker 3: We need to and we need to impeach to justices.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to bet beyond bet that that is Clarence

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01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 2: Thomas and Breck Kavanaugh. That would be my guess. I

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01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 2: think those would be the more lightning rod choices for

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01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 2: the political left. None of that matters. What matters is

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01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: the overarching power. Look what we should do, Look what

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01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 2: we need to do. He's running on it. He's running

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01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:30,360
Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party on the idea of vote for me,

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01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 2: and we will use the power because we don't like

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Speaker 2: how the court rules. Not that will appoint this person,

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01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 2: will appoint that person, will fundamentally change the court to

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01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 2: do our bidding. Do you think it's because they're right.

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01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 2: Do you think it's because they're decent. Do you think

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01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 2: it's because they're good. No, it's because if you have power,

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01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,679
Speaker 2: you can make decisions. And their decision is not based

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Speaker 2: on what's best for America. Their decision is based on

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01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 2: what's best for them. As we have noted, I am

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Speaker 2: not saying anything that you have not said a million times.

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Speaker 2: If the Democrats win control of the House and you

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Speaker 2: have Speaker Hakim Jeffries, they will be sworn in on

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Speaker 2: January third, and they will impeach Donald Trump on January third.

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Speaker 2: That's happening. That's going on. This is not a debate.

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01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 2: When they had power, they impeached Trump twice. When they

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Speaker 2: had power, they refuse to hear the impeachment of then

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01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Maorcis. You remember that, right, and

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Speaker 2: Allejondro my Orcis did an awful job and was indeed

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01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: not giving Congress the full story. He was impeached because

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Speaker 2: you can do that to cabinet officials, and Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 2: who was running the Senate, said, yeah, we're not gonna

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Speaker 2: hear it. Remember the Senate where the trial would take place. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're not gonna hear it. What you're gonna do? What? No, No,

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01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 2: we're not gonna hear it. We don't care, we don't care,

1504
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:00,280
Speaker 2: We're not interested in this. This is all nonsense. We're

1505
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 2: not going to hear it. Power.

1506
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 3: Power is real, and it is important, and yes, it

1507
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 3: must be utilized.

1508
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:14,919
Speaker 2: Now, sometimes when you have the power, you engage restraint

1509
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 2: because that's actually the better move. But how many more

1510
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: times and how many more ways do you need to

1511
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,560
Speaker 2: hear and do you need to see what it is

1512
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 2: that the left is more than willing to do when

1513
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 2: they have it. How possibly could one not react to it?

1514
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 2: How possibly could one not engage in the utilization of it?

1515
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 2: And how in the world does anybody say no, no, no,

1516
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 2: that's not the right thing to do. I've said it before,

1517
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 2: and I'll happily say it again to any Republican or

1518
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 2: conservative or or listening and sound of my voice. If

1519
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 2: you do we did everything the Democrats wanted, it still

1520
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't be enough.

1521
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,600
Speaker 3: They still hate you. They'll never vote for you.

1522
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 2: If you voted the next five pick the pieces of

1523
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 2: legislation in favor of the leftists most wild policy, if

1524
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 2: you ran for reelection, they would call you hitler. We

1525
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 2: don't have to question what it is we know to

1526
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 2: be true. We only have to ask what is the plan.

1527
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 3: And I am.

1528
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 2: Stunned and amazed and orageously disappointed by the people who

1529
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:44,640
Speaker 2: pushed this idea that well, that's not what we do. No, no,

1530
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 2: that's what they did. That's not what we do. Oh

1531
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 2: all right, well, Tony, aren't you opposed to removing the filibuster. Yes,

1532
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 2: well they'll remove the philibuster absolutely, so aren't you going

1533
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:57,480
Speaker 2: against your own No? No, no, no, I said, sometimes

1534
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 2: the right thing to do is hold. It is not

1535
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 2: the moment to remove the filibuster, and I would rather

1536
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:08,480
Speaker 2: nobody did. But if you're going to remove the filibuster,

1537
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 2: remove the sixty vote threshold in the Senate, then you

1538
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 2: better have the legislation lined up ready to go, and

1539
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 2: have the senators all on the same page, the legislation

1540
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 2: from the House already done, so you can go bam

1541
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 2: bam bam and just knock it through. Get a courier

1542
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 2: service to be running stuff to the President's desk for signature.

1543
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 2: No pumping circumstance, just sign on a whole host of subjects.

1544
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 2: The problem is we don't have that yet. You remove

1545
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 2: the filibuster. Well, now you set the precedent, and once

1546
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 2: that's done, if you lose the Senate in twenty twenty six,

1547
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 2: which is always possible, you have shown the Democrats that

1548
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 2: you can get rid of it. They'll say, well, we

1549
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 2: got rid of the philibuster, and wait till you see

1550
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 2: what they do, because they are far better at being

1551
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 2: on task than Republicans. No one's done a whip count

1552
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 2: a whip count. No one has said, Okay, here are

1553
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,400
Speaker 2: the five things we would get past if we got

1554
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 2: rid of the filibuster. Where's everybody voting on this? No

1555
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 2: one's counted the votes. No one is engaged in the

1556
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:24,560
Speaker 2: acts of persuasion. No one has insured that the naysayers

1557
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 2: will be quiet. No one has gone about engaging the

1558
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 2: talking points against the naysayers. Nobody has coordinated with the

1559
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 2: House and has setate to ensure their versions would line

1560
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 2: up perfectly so there is no delay and it goes

1561
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 2: directly to the president's desk.

1562
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 3: No one if you want to remove the filibuster, I

1563
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 3: will disagree. But if you want to.

1564
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 2: Remove it without having a plan, that's just reckless crap.

1565
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 2: And I say no, Redistracting is not reckless. Redistricting makes

1566
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:59,679
Speaker 2: perfect sense. But the utilization of power always makes sense.

1567
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 2: It's just a question of utilizing it in a way

1568
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 2: that gets you the most advantage. Look what Democrats are saying,

1569
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 2: Look what they're campaigning on, Look what they're willing to do.

1570
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 2: And Republicans are somehow afraid that if they vote to redistrict, ooh,

1571
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:21,840
Speaker 2: it's going to turn out Democrats and energize them in

1572
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.

1573
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 3: Well, what else are you doing?

1574
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 2: This is the only subject you're not doing another thing

1575
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:30,760
Speaker 2: where you're telling a story to get people interested in you.

1576
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if you lowered a tax, Have you

1577
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 2: gotten rid of property taxes in state after state after

1578
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 2: state after state? What have you done about the gasoline tax?

1579
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 2: What have you done to better the roads where you live?

1580
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about where I live, guys, I'm

1581
01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 2: talking about exactly where you live. There are a million

1582
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:47,320
Speaker 2: things you could be doing to encourage voters to say,

1583
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 2: my gosh, they're doing good work. They're doing better work

1584
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 2: than the things I don't like, and therefore I'll vote

1585
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 2: for them. It's all about this, It's all about well,

1586
01:41:55,960 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 2: if we redistrict, it's going to energize the Democrats. What

1587
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 2: kind of child life pablem is this? And the answer is,

1588
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 2: you bet your butt. It's childlike pablem. It is nonsensical, irrational, garbage, garbage.

1589
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:15,759
Speaker 3: It's silly. Think of all the people you can energize.

1590
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 2: Think of all the people you can energize with all

1591
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 2: the other things I discussed, Why is it only one subject.

1592
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,519
Speaker 2: They're afraid of the power, and I think to be

1593
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 2: in any elected position, you cannot be afraid of the power.

1594
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,879
Speaker 2: You are elected to utilize it. You utilize it wisely,

1595
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 2: utilize it smartly, but utilize it. And the overarching part

1596
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 2: of this conversation is we all understand the politics is power, right.

1597
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in children here having parts of this

1598
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:50,599
Speaker 2: conversation screaming it's a power grab. Grow up, ridiculous losers,

1599
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 2: grow up. Of course, it's a power grab. Of course,

1600
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:57,520
Speaker 2: it's about the power. I have got Graham Platner Democrat,

1601
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 2: and Maine with the Nazi tattoo.

1602
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 3: And now you say to me, do you really want

1603
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 3: to be like him?

1604
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not putting it on any Nazi tattoos, nor

1605
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 2: am I dancing around shirtless. But I am absolutely fully

1606
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:14,480
Speaker 2: engaged in not being embarrassed or ashamed of winning elections

1607
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 2: and then having that have a purpose. Politics is power,

1608
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 2: and I would like for everybody to just grow the

1609
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 2: hell up and understand this, accept this, and stop smouthing

1610
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 2: off about how it's wrong. It's not wrong. It is

1611
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:36,599
Speaker 2: Democrats have shown us this for years. Republicans still haven't

1612
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 2: gotten the message. Dear Lord. I don't know how they

1613
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 2: stood together to face down the shutdown from Schumer.

1614
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:43,600
Speaker 3: I really don't know how they did it.

1615
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 2: I thought that was maybe, like, okay, maybe everyone's gotten

1616
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 2: the message on how you deal with this and how

1617
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 2: you actually show you're in charge. Nope, we still have

1618
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 2: a lot of work ahead of us. Guys, that's okay,

1619
01:43:57,560 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 2: we can get this done.

1620
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz Tony Kats today, I would tell you.

1621
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 6: If evangelical churches do not follow the lead of what

1622
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 6: the Catholic bishops are doing right now, they will look

1623
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 6: back on this time period with the same shame that

1624
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 6: they look back on the civil rights era, when too

1625
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:23,799
Speaker 6: many preached about the status quo and try to justify

1626
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 6: segregation and try to justify the de humanizing of black people.

1627
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 2: It's their choice and it's time they move. I would

1628
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 2: tell you new.

1629
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 3: Network, same old insanity. Tony Kats, Tony Kats Today, good

1630
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 3: to be with you.

1631
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 2: MSNBC has now made the change and then they're called

1632
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 2: ms now now. There was a really interesting article in

1633
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 2: one of the radio trades, entertainment trades that I read

1634
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 2: that they don't even own msnow dot com. True story,

1635
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Kats Today, Great to be with They

1636
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 2: own msnow news dot com. And so it was a

1637
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 2: conversation of you, if you're going to brand to something new,

1638
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 2: maybe you should have all the assets. You know, I

1639
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 2: own Tony Katz dot com and all the places that

1640
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 2: I own it. But like with Etrink, Smoke, the Cigar

1641
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 2: and Bourbon Show, some other people had some names like that.

1642
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 2: We came to it later, so we made little variations

1643
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 2: here and there. It's okay, but when you are the

1644
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 2: size and the scope of NBMSNBC, you you didn't look

1645
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,160
Speaker 2: before you left. You just left and then assumed everything

1646
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 2: would would work out for you. But it's not like

1647
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 2: anything is going to change. The evangelical churches should look

1648
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 2: back in shame regarding immigration crackdowns that illegal immigrants are

1649
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:52,600
Speaker 2: being removed. That's no Why why would they The idea

1650
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 2: that you are a church and that you are followers

1651
01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 2: of name the religion or name the offshoot of the religion,

1652
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:04,600
Speaker 2: followers of the Lord will just do it. Overarching.

1653
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,480
Speaker 3: You may believe that all people should be treated.

1654
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 2: Humanely, but that does not somehow or in any way

1655
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 2: excuse or push aside the law of the land, the

1656
01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 2: laws that we govern ourselves with. That's a maddening proposition.

1657
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 2: So no, I would go the other way. Any church

1658
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 2: that is not in favor of the removal of people

1659
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 2: who broke the law to be in this country, well

1660
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 2: I would say that that's a church that needs a

1661
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 2: good hard look in the mirror and probably needs some

1662
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:43,600
Speaker 2: Jesus tony Jesus would never I don't claim any biblical expertise,

1663
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 2: but I would say that if you believe that we

1664
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 2: should be a nation of no laws and a nation

1665
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 2: of wide open illegal immigration, you're saying we don't want

1666
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:59,919
Speaker 2: to exist for long because you won't and your church won't.

1667
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 3: Last for long.

1668
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 2: It won't. It's okay to have rules, and my guess

1669
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:09,000
Speaker 2: is that the Lord is good with it. But tell

1670
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 2: me if you disagree. You can email me Tony at

1671
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 2: tonycats dot com. Find everything I do at Tonycotts dot com.

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01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:15,599
Speaker 3: Tomorrow, everyone, take care,