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Speaker 5: And also Lou Holtz, the quick witted college football coach.

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Speaker 3: So you've got strikes on Iran turning into a wider

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Speaker 8: President Trump has made a bold and tough decision, one

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Speaker 4: Everybody wants at the end of the day, winning cures everything.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to Casey and Jim. It is ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 3: His enduring values of faith, family service, and an unwavering

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Speaker 5: Though father Andrew was University.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people putting up their favorite quotes from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's interesting about Lou Holtz? You know obvious if

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Speaker 10: Lou Holtz was more than a football coach. He was

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Speaker 10: From nineteen eighty six to nineteen ninety six, Holtz led

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Speaker 6: Coach Holts was the He was the father of all

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Speaker 10: He taught us that football was about more than just

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Speaker 3: Good morning, get his gat ademic ninety three WIBC. And

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Speaker 9: Oh, lots of memories. Of course, he was such a

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Speaker 9: On a number of occasions. I would introduce him at

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Speaker 3: As I was thinking about this, I noticed a lot

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Speaker 9: It made a big impression on me when he came

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Speaker 9: And he did that, and that left a big impression

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Father Andrew, can you talk a little bit about

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Speaker 9: or as faithfully like him too. But he always talked

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Speaker 9: about the importance of setting goals, overcoming adversity, achieving greatness,

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Speaker 9: and to do that with others, to do that with others.

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Speaker 9: You know. One of the things he did when he

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Speaker 9: came to Notre Dame was he took the last names

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Speaker 9: of the football players off.

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Speaker 6: The back of the jersey.

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Speaker 9: Says, you don't play for you, you play for your teammate,

448
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Speaker 9: you play for the guy next to you. And boy

449
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Speaker 9: is adolescent that we need to learn in culture today

450
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Speaker 9: not to be so self centered and egocentric, but to

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Speaker 9: really be sacrificial to others. So he was. Yeah, he

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Speaker 9: was a great football coach and a great teacher.

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Speaker 3: From the Leprechaun perspective, going back many moons from your

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Speaker 3: unique vantage point, what did most fans misunderstand about him?

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Speaker 9: That's a great question. Misunderstand about him?

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Speaker 5: Or was he an open hook? I?

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Speaker 9: You know, he was very consistent. You know, he had

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Speaker 9: values that he stuck to in his life, faith being

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Speaker 9: chief among them, commitment to excellence as well, you know,

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Speaker 9: sacrificing for others. So I don't think he was really misunderstood.

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Speaker 9: I think he was just so consistent in everything he

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Speaker 9: did that you really saw, you really got what you saw.

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Speaker 9: I heard that. You know, his players really had a

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Speaker 9: difficult time sometimes playing for him because he could be

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Speaker 9: so rough on them in practice. But they said, but

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Speaker 9: later in life, when they realized how many lessons they

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Speaker 9: had he had taught them about being a good husband,

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Speaker 9: a good father, you know, a good person in the community.

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Speaker 9: They they loved him for that. So he was a

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Speaker 9: really consistent man.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, What do you hope the younger Notre

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Speaker 3: Dame fans understand about the whole tears that he was.

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Speaker 9: He was really committed and loved his players and the school.

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Speaker 9: He of course wanted to win, you know, he believed

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Speaker 9: in excellence, and you know, we should strive for excellence

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Speaker 9: because God gives us so many talents and gifts and

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Speaker 9: we shouldn't waste them. But it was more important to

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Speaker 9: him that you love the people that you live with

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Speaker 9: and work with. One of his famous quotes that I

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Speaker 9: heard him say was the most important lesson a father

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Speaker 9: can teach his children is how much he loves their mother.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I remember hearing that as a kid and being

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Speaker 9: profoundly impacted by that. And it's like you could tell

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Speaker 9: he was a football coach, but those were the most

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Speaker 9: important things.

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Speaker 5: In his life, his family.

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Speaker 9: In fact, I saw it just on an interview yesterday.

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Speaker 9: Number one was faith, Number two was family. Number three

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Speaker 9: was football. Yeah, and that's how we should live.

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Speaker 3: We really appreciate your time this morning, Father Andrew Bozinski,

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Speaker 3: also former Notre Dame Leprechaun. Speaking of quotes, I have

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Speaker 3: one that you said, whether you're a leprechaun or a priest,

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Speaker 3: you don't get to hide when the heat is on

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Speaker 3: against Christ and his church. And speaking of that, I

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Speaker 3: know you have to run off and give mass.

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Speaker 5: Boy.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to have you back sometime because your life

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Speaker 3: is fascinating on its own but I know that you

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Speaker 3: have mass with the children there at Saint Matthew. And

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Speaker 3: that's unfortunate because I was going to ask you if

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Speaker 3: Jim could give you his confession over the phone.

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Speaker 6: I don't think we ought have time for that for sure.

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Speaker 9: No, and you better pack a lunch. It's going to

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Speaker 9: take a while.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to talk about the Bartman game as well,

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Speaker 3: that you and Jim went to years ago, saw the

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Speaker 3: Chicago Cubs play which turned into be an infamous game.

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Speaker 3: But I said, no, we're talking about the passing of

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Speaker 3: Lou Holtz today.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we have to remember happy thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you so much, father Andrew, Thank.

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Speaker 9: You, Casey and Jim. God bless you you too.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to ninety three WYBC. It so the fact that.

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Speaker 3: You have a ten second burger biting shaping public opinion

516
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Speaker 3: really shows the power of viral marketing and what that's become.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, even if it's accidental, which a lot of this

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Speaker 6: has been.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but sometimes you can have a CEO trying too

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Speaker 3: hard to look relatable and then it completely backfires. There's

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Speaker 3: some people are saying it worked for him, some people

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Speaker 3: are saying not. Of course, you had that CEO of McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: He went viral in his video when he was promoting

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Speaker 3: the new big Arch burger, not for.

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Speaker 6: The right reasons. Unfortunately, people were mocking.

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Speaker 3: The video, saying that his reaction felt awkward and scripted

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Speaker 3: that he barely took a bite out of the burger.

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Speaker 3: He called the burger a product. It did not feel natural, right,

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Speaker 3: So then you had Burger King. They quickly responded with

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Speaker 3: their own video.

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Speaker 5: You had the US.

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Speaker 3: President of Burger King taking a big bite out of

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Speaker 3: a whopper, kind of making fun of the McDonald's clip.

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Speaker 6: Sure, well, guess.

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Speaker 5: What Wendy's has entered the chat.

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Speaker 11: These fresh, never frozen beef, our apple wood smoked bacon,

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Speaker 11: our brand new bun, our square burger cooked on.

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Speaker 6: A flat grill.

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Speaker 11: Amazing, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 8: Not a burger.

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Speaker 11: This is exactly the way a great hamburger should be.

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Speaker 11: He got to top it off with the fries and frosty.

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Speaker 3: My favorite part about this excellent. He dips the fry

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Speaker 3: in the frosty.

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Speaker 4: I know you're a big fan of I know you're

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Speaker 4: a big fan of that. I think that it is

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Speaker 4: sacrilegious to use a frosty as a replacement as a

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Speaker 4: replacement for ketchup on a French fry, but I'll allow it.

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Speaker 6: In this specific instance here.

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Speaker 4: This is Look, this has probably been the best thing

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Speaker 4: to happen to the fast food industry in years, right.

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Speaker 6: Because this is blown up on social media.

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Speaker 4: We've got our own burger wars happening on Twitter and

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Speaker 4: Instagram right now.

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Speaker 6: The fast food industry has really struggled.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we traditionally always went to fast food because

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Speaker 4: it was cheap and it was easy. We go through

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Speaker 4: the drive through and we you get a lot of

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Speaker 4: food and it wouldn't cost us very much. Think back

560
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Speaker 4: to I remember the Little Caesar's campaign five dollars Hot

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Speaker 4: and Ready pizza.

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Speaker 6: Hot and ready? Is it good?

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Speaker 10: Hot red?

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Speaker 4: No, it's hot and read. What did I say? I said,

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Speaker 4: it's hot and ready. That's how we thought of fast food.

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Speaker 4: And then we've had this massive spike in inflation in

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Speaker 4: the last five years, and the food quality really hasn't

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Speaker 4: gotten any better, but the price sure has gone up

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Speaker 4: a heck of a lot. And you've seen a lot,

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Speaker 4: I mean tons of fast food chains closing down, you know,

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Speaker 4: just dozens and dozens, if not hundreds and hundreds of

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Speaker 4: stores over the last few years.

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Speaker 6: I mean there was even.

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Speaker 4: Wendy's has announced that they're, you know, closing stores right now,

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Speaker 4: and Papa John's we're going to talk about that in

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Speaker 4: just a little bit. And Subway has closed down a

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Speaker 4: ton of stores. So this is really kind of an

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Speaker 4: accidental god send for the fast food industry because they

579
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Speaker 4: are getting so much attention.

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Speaker 9: Out of that.

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Speaker 3: So maybe McDonald's knew what they were doing all along,

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Speaker 3: but it definitely has sparked a playful fast food rivalry,

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Speaker 3: a lot of online jokes, and now people are imitating

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Speaker 3: the CEOs. But wait, there's more. We've got a dark

585
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Speaker 3: horse in the race. A and W is in on

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Speaker 3: this and their CEO is playfully roasting the McDonald's ceo.

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Speaker 3: And he introduced teen.

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Speaker 12: Sauce Alan from A and W here with you heard

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Speaker 12: about it here.

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Speaker 6: It is the teen Burger.

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Speaker 12: We love this burger product, which most people call a burger.

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Speaker 12: I'm going to do a tasting right now, but this

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Speaker 12: is actually my lunch, so let's see what we got

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Speaker 12: going on here.

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Speaker 6: Look at that it has.

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Speaker 12: A unique bread that some people would call a bun,

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Speaker 12: but really the star is what's inside. I mean, We've

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Speaker 12: got the lettuce which is green, and pickles which make

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Speaker 12: it taste pickley, and the teen sauce. What is the

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Speaker 12: iconic teen sauce?

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Speaker 5: So this thing is packed.

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Speaker 4: Bread in which most people call a bun. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think everybody calls it a bun.

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Speaker 5: He describes. The lettuce is green, the pickles are picky.

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Speaker 5: Teen sauce.

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Speaker 6: Okay, he was just as awkward as a McDonald's ceo

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Speaker 6: right there.

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Speaker 3: Basically, what we have here is these CEOs doing live

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Speaker 3: Burger infomercials.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's going on.

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Speaker 4: That's an interesting part of that because there is this

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Speaker 4: kind of subculture on TikTok and Instagram mostly a little

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Speaker 4: bit on Twitter of people that just eat food, so

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Speaker 4: social media content creators, they'll just go and they'll eat food,

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Speaker 4: and you'd be shocked at the number of views and

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Speaker 4: the engagement that these videos get. So it's kind of

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Speaker 4: interesting that these fast food groups have kind of played

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Speaker 4: off of that a little bit as part of this.

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Speaker 5: But wait, they're still more.

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Speaker 3: Not only are the fast food restaurants getting in on this.

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Speaker 5: Now you've got butcher box. They say, hold my beer.

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Speaker 13: Hi, it's Mike Salgero.

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Speaker 1: I'm the CEO and founder of butcher Box, and today

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Speaker 1: we're to be talking about our ribbi.

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Speaker 13: Holy cow, look at that ribbi. This thing looks amazing.

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Speaker 1: So one thing I think is really important is that

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Speaker 1: CEOs actually.

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Speaker 13: Enjoy the product that they make.

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Speaker 6: Product.

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Speaker 13: Again, I'm gonna hammer this whole ribby down. It is

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Speaker 13: my lunch and we're going.

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Speaker 1: To do it one by at a time. Ye, butcher

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Speaker 1: Box has been around for eleven years.

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Speaker 13: That's how you need to stay. What we pride ourselves

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Speaker 13: on is our sourcing.

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Speaker 1: All of our products is one hundred percent grass fed,

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Speaker 1: grass finished, certified, humane, never fed an antibiotic.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so it does it turns into a commercial for

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Speaker 5: this guy.

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Speaker 3: But as you mentioned Papa John's, Indiana's Papa John's, they

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Speaker 3: announced they're going to be closing about three hundred restaurants

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Speaker 3: by the end of next year. So you do have

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Speaker 3: these American brands that are closing hundreds of stores, which

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Speaker 3: is showing the importance of keeping costs down but quality tight.

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Speaker 3: The consumers are voting with their wallets, and I think

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Speaker 3: that's what these ceo burger wars are all about. They're

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Speaker 3: trying to be relatable. Hey, we're just like you, even

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Speaker 3: though they're.

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Speaker 5: Making millions and millions of dollars in their salary.

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Speaker 4: If you had one go to fast food place, what

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Speaker 4: would you say would be like? Your go doesn't have

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Speaker 4: to be like what you think is the best. It's

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Speaker 4: just like your go to Culver's and mine. Yeah, McDonald's.

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Speaker 4: I just can't Their fries and the coke it's the best.

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Speaker 6: It's so I can't stop.

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Speaker 5: You just can't git enough.

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Speaker 3: Nikki Kelly from Indiana Capitol Chronicle is gonna join us next.

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