1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Okay, either I have been totally vindicated or we've got 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: a massive scandal on our hands. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: Okay, how are you? 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 3: How have you been vindicated? 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to help me work through this. So 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Drew super listener. Drew texted me this morning and he 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: raised a great point in light of Donald Trump endorsing 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo. Is Donald Trump now a Republican in bad standing? 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: Oh? 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Because there was a Republican running in the race for 11 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: the mayor of New York City. And if Donald Trump 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: is indeed not a Republican in bad standing, the whole 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: case against me being a Republican in bad standing is 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: I've supported other candidates, the Libertarians, independence, whatever are we 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: now done here? Or is Donald Trump a Republican badstanding? 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: Why would he. 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 4: Say Donald Trump's a Republican of bad standing because he 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 4: doors Cuomo and Cuomo didn't win. 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: No, it's not a Republican. 20 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you're saying, because he ran as 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: an independent. 22 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: Trump did that. 23 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Trump did the same thing that I've done, which is 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: what they hung their hat on about kicking me out 25 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: of that Lincoln Day dinner. 26 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 3: We got a Republican. 27 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: So you endorsed He's endorsed non Republicans. Well, Trump did 28 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: the same thing. So my question to Philip Clay and 29 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: the Hendricks County Republican Party, Well, and I guess the 30 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: Indiana State Republican Party. Is Donald Trump now a Republican 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: in bad standing? Or am I now allowed to go 32 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: back to all the events? And am I now a 33 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: Republicant a good standing for doing the same thing that 34 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: Donald Trump did. 35 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: I love how you're comparing yourself to Donald Trump. You know, 36 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 4: he is the leader of the party. 37 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: And I did the same thing he did. 38 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: I think he's making and breaking the rules as he. 39 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: Pleases, right, but I'm saying he wasn't banned from the 40 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Lincoln Day. So my question is, are we now ready 41 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: to just admit this is all a bunch of made 42 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: up bunch. 43 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: Of hoho ha, and you don't like me and don't 44 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: want me there? 45 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: Because I was going to de ask Diego Morales, Secretary 46 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: of State, who paid for his magical mystery trip to India, 47 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: And I was going to ask Lieutenant Governor how he 48 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: ended up going to the NBA Finals with the high 49 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: profile known fellow. And I was gonna ask Craig Haggard, 50 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: State Representative why lie to our audience about redistricting? 51 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: Are you ready just admit that's why you don't want 52 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: me there? 53 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: Are we gonna admit Donald Trump's a Republican and bad 54 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: standing too. 55 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 2: Now I'm going to make a proclamation. Are you ready 56 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: for it? 57 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 4: You are in good standing once again? So go ahead 58 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 4: tend Lincoln Day dinners as you please. 59 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: I do. 60 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: I do have to credit. We have a super listener, 61 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: Drew who's regularly in the YouTube chat. I don't know 62 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: if he's there today or not, but who raised that question? 63 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: I said, that is a heck of a point to 64 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: have made. Yes, And I'm going to start our award 65 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: winning program with that today. 66 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: That is a good observation. 67 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 4: I thought of something this morning, and Adam Wren, friend 68 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 4: of the show, also put it out there on Twitter. 69 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: Wait wait yeah, waited claricy Who Adam Wrinn is? Yeah, 70 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: he writes so. He's a writer for Politico Correct also 71 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: does a subscription based service on Indiana politics and government 72 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: called Importantville. And in said publication he wants dubbed me 73 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: the most powerful broadcaster. 74 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 3: In the state. 75 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: Correct same guys words online. 76 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: You know they're always telling us that our staff meetings 77 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: you have to tell people who people are. 78 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: Right, right, Yeah, so that's all I'm doing. Well, he 79 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: put this. 80 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 4: Out there, and I was thinking the same thing when 81 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: I woke up this morning. Got a wonder if Kansas 82 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 4: Republicans putting redistricting on ice and tonight's Virginia and New 83 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 4: Jersey results give Indiana Republicans some food for thought as 84 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 4: they weigh mid cycle redistricting. 85 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's touch on those one by one very quickly. 86 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: Kansas had pondered redistricting. They have decided against doing it. Now, 87 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: Kansas is an anomaly because their Republicans say, with a 88 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: Democrat governor like a Kentucky so they were running into barriers. 89 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: As it relates to that. 90 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: They were trying to figure out how to call a 91 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: special session around the governor, right, But I don't think 92 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: they felt legally they were on footing enough to do it. 93 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: So they've packed it up and called it quit. So 94 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: that's the first part of this. Now, let's talk about 95 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: the election results last night, because I believe was the 96 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: AP did exit polling. Yeah, and the exit polling shows 97 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: exactly what we have been saying for months on this program, 98 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: and gosh darn it, Casey. It is nine to eleven 99 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: and three seconds on November fifth, twenty twenty five. And 100 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: I have to do the least favorite part of every 101 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: show right out of the gate, which is tell people. 102 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: Aut right, we were correct. 103 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: And what we have been saying for months on this 104 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: program is that the issue in this country, the issue 105 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: that actually got Donald Trump elected president. Look, immigration is important, 106 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: crime is important. I'm not saying they're not, but we 107 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: have laid out immigration and crime. Unless you're directly impacted 108 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: by it, you know it exists, but it's not front 109 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and center. The price of everything, Inflation, the inability to 110 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: afford food and rent and all these other things hits 111 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: people every single day. And the Republicans for ten months 112 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: in office have done nothing to address those things. They've 113 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: made them worse with the tariffs and the continued spending 114 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff. 115 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: And they were going to pay a price for this. 116 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: And the exit polling showed. 117 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: Yesterday overwhelmingly in Virginia, in New Jersey, California that the 118 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: price of every everything is what people said was the 119 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: driving issue. 120 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 4: So in Virginia, half a voter said the economy was 121 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: the most important issue. Also, federal cuts that affected families. 122 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 4: You've got to know they're going to consider that in Virginia. 123 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: In New Jersey, property taxes and utility bills were top concerns. 124 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 4: Seven to ten called property taxes a major problem. New 125 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 4: York City, over half of the voters sided the cost 126 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 4: of living, especially housing, as the city's biggest issue. 127 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: Now, the issue with this is the voting appears to 128 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: be Look, I guess if you only have two options, 129 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: you got to pick someone, right. But this is where 130 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: it comes back to what I say about these Republicans 131 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: every day on this program and is bearing out once 132 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: again not only nationally with their election results, but in 133 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: this state. Why people are not fired up about redistricting. 134 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: Republicans do not give people anything to believe in. They 135 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: do not give people anything to be fired up about, 136 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: especially when you take the emotional connection of Trump on 137 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: the tipicket. 138 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: Out of the equation and you saw this bear out. 139 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: What have the Republicans done to lower the price of anything? 140 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 3: The answer is nothing. 141 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: The answer is to that, you can't say gas because 142 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: gas is a is a fluctuating thing. There's nothing Donald 143 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: Trump's done that you would say in America has lowered 144 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: the price of gasoline. And a lot of the gas 145 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: dropping is the perceived restricting or I'm contracting him sorry 146 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: of the economy. And that's a lot of times how 147 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: gas is done. And there are other factors, wars, et cetera. 148 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: But that is not because of Donald Trump. There's nothing 149 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: Trump is done where you go ooh that, I can 150 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: see why that is lowering the price of gas, So 151 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: he doesn't get any credit for that. The food, all 152 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: the other stuff not getting any better, getting worse. 153 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: Now. 154 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: Of course, this mom Donnie guy is not gonna do 155 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: anything to make food or rent or anything more right now. 156 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: He's gonna run out of money and then run into problems. 157 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: Sure, and the same thing in Virginia and New Jersey. 158 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: But it is it is a front in center example 159 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: what we say every day on this program, which is 160 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: the Republicans are not doing anything to address the issues 161 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: people care about, and they paid for it at the ballot. 162 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: Do you think the mom Donnie win is an extreme 163 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: reaction to Donald Trump? 164 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's take a break because we have a 165 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: Dumbass of the Day award winner and I want to 166 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: play audio from our Dumbass of the Day Award winner. 167 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: I think he's a previous Dumbass of the Day Award winner, 168 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: so we'll be presenting him the trophy again. But I 169 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: want to talk about Mom Donnie and what we're really 170 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: seeing across the country as it relates to who's winning 171 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: what elections. 172 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: Plus a Dumbass of the Day Award winner. 173 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: It's Kendaly Casey. It's ninety three WYBC. 174 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So we got to talk about this nutbag that 175 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: won in New York and we got a Dumbass of 176 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: the Day Award winner. So this is gonna be a 177 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: busy segment. So let's talk about Mom Donnie, shall we. 178 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: Sure? 179 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: So he is this outwardly avowed socialist who is now 180 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: the mayor of New York City, And you and I 181 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: were talking about this before I went on air, and 182 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: I said, this shouldn't surprise anyone because of the trend 183 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: both on the right and the left of people moving 184 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: to where they are surrounded by like minded individuals. Like 185 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: the diversity of thought in community or in state across 186 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: this country is rapidly declining. We've seen it in the 187 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: city of Indianapolis, in which many many people be they 188 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, Republican, conservative or you know, even independent, have 189 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: looked at what's going on. I said, now, I just 190 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: don't think this is for me. I'm going to go 191 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: to some suburban stronghold, and you know, see, we see 192 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: how that plays out. And so in a place like 193 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: New York, which never, let's face it, it has not I 194 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: mean even the Republican mayors they had, which seems like 195 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: such a distant memory now of Giuliani, a guy who 196 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: was very tough on crime, but certainly wasn't some conservative, 197 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, it was not Reagan reincarnated. He was very 198 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: good at nuts and bolts issues of running the city. 199 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,359 Speaker 1: We've talked about this numerous times, the job. 200 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: Of the mayor. 201 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: There are four core issues of the mayor. It is trash, 202 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: It is snowplow, It is streets. It is public safety, 203 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: and public safety is probably first, you know, among them. 204 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: But when you have people fleeing these major metropolitan cities, 205 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: then the more extreme wing of whatever remains is going 206 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: to continue to take over, and the extremism of the 207 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: people who get elected is going to continue to elevate 208 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: because that's. 209 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: All that's left. 210 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 4: Well, you have to consider that party outside of power 211 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 4: always does well in off your elections. But I think 212 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: about the Democrat Party of the past, the Kennedys right, 213 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 4: for example, and you think about you had a president 214 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 4: who made a national apology for botching an invasion of 215 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 4: a communist country. 216 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: And now, wow, you fast. 217 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: Forward to today, You've got the biggest city in the 218 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: country electing a socialist slash communist as their mayor. 219 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: Look how extreme and far that party has gone. 220 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, my buddy Bart and I were having this conversation 221 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: last night and we were talking about because Bart is 222 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: I think a couple of years older than me, and 223 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: we were talking about for our generation, obviously nine to 224 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: eleven is the singular you know, thing that sort of 225 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: shaped your youth in some capacity. And we were saying, like, okay, 226 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: it's been twenty basically twenty five years, and look at 227 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: how quickly New York has deteriorated from never forget to 228 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: this guy. 229 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: And I said, part of. 230 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: The problem is, though I think it's twofold one, it's 231 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: the frog and the boiling pot of water in which 232 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: over time, especially in a social media era which we're basically, 233 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years into everyone having Facebook or Twitter 234 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: at their disposal, like, it's been so ratcheted up that 235 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: to the point now, young people we see this as extreme. 236 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: People my age, middle aged people, people middle age ish 237 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: like you. I mean, you look great for sixty four, 238 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: but anyway. 239 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: I get older every day. 240 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: People Kevin's age and younger, they don't see Mandami as 241 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: an extremist because they have been indoctrinated to believe this 242 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: is the normal to us. Twenty years ago, this Mandami 243 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: guy would have been so far out of the norm 244 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: you would have never seen him be elected. But now 245 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: with the frog and the boiling pot of water, you 246 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: have built this up to where people go, well, what's 247 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: the big deal? Like, he's just kind of like a 248 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: whole bunch of other elected people in New York City, 249 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: and he says all the right things, and he tickles 250 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: all the right spots, and so now he's the mayor. Yeah, like, 251 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: this isn't surprising to me at all based on the 252 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: trends that we've seen. But you've seen, I mean, look, 253 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: the right is getting more extreme. 254 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: Right, you've seen. 255 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: The this bizarro in every election is a loyalty test 256 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: to Trump if you're in a Republican super Republican district 257 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: and all these things. So it's happening on both sides 258 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: of the aisle, and people are just moving to the 259 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: point where there are really very few swing elections anymore. 260 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: There are very few toss up elections anymore. It's just 261 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: affirmation of the extremism that I choose to live in. 262 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 4: Well, we're going to see this experiment play out, and 263 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting. I don't know if you 264 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 4: saw the story about the people in Kentucky that we're 265 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: trying to show up at polls to vote against Mom Donnie. 266 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 4: But keep in mind, these are the same people that 267 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: are continuing to keep Mitch McConnell in power, the. 268 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: Guy who can't even walk down the hallway. 269 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: All right, so let's present. I believe this is a 270 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: previous winner Dumbass of the of the Day award, and 271 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: our winner today is our old pal Jim Banks. 272 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 4: Because I don't Mindiana Senator Jim Banks. 273 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: He was on some Yeah, he was on the Will 274 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: Kine Show. 275 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: Jim Banks, you'll know him. He voted for Kevin McCarthy. 276 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: So the Jim Banks story arc is fascinating. Jim Banks 277 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: was a very conservative congressman from northeastern Indiana. He then 278 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: tried to run for leadership in the House. He got 279 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: resoundingly rejected by his house comrades, and instead of staying 280 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: and fighting, he just folded and said, well, in order 281 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: to elevate, I gotta do whatever these people say. And 282 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: so he just turned into a professional butt sniffer. And 283 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: for that, I mean, if your desire in life, as 284 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: bizarre as it may be, is to just elevate yourself 285 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: up the political ladder, he was successful because he's now 286 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: a US Senator and his first action upon getting resoundingly 287 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: rejected by his colleagues was to vote for Kevin McCarthy 288 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: to be Speaker of the House fifteen times. And look 289 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: again with Jim, anytime we talk about Jim, if someone 290 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: knows Jim, please check on him. I'm always concerned about 291 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: Jim getting enough oxygen to his brain because his face 292 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: is firmly implanted between Donald Trump's butt cheeks twenty four 293 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: to seven, and I'm worried about him getting enough air. 294 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 3: But anyway, what show was he on? Do we know who's? 295 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 5: It was? 296 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: The Will Show? 297 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: The Will Kine Show. Okay, So he was on the 298 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: Will Kine Show. 299 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 4: And he said, he said, a mayor, Mom, Donnie is 300 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 4: great news for states like Indiana. 301 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's the audio and then we'll address why 302 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: Jim Banks is the winner of our Dumbass of the 303 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: Day award. 304 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 5: Okay, what are you here to be a Democrat? As well? 305 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 5: There are rumblings that in Washington, d C. And I 306 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 5: don't know what your relationships are like across the isle. 307 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 5: I don't know if you're in the cloak room having 308 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 5: a martini with Chuck Schumer, what your relationships are across 309 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 5: the aisle. 310 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: But the reports are the rumors. 311 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 5: Are at least, if not reports, they're actually not that 312 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 5: happy about the rise of Zorra Mumdani. 313 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 3: I think that's right. 314 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 6: I mean, I haven't talked to Democrats specifically about it, 315 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 6: but this is this is bad for their party. It's 316 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 6: good for Republicans. I mean, it's good for Indiana. If 317 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 6: you don't want to live in a liberal socialist hellhole 318 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 6: like New York City, it's going to get even worse. 319 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 6: I am Donnie's on his watch after he wins tonight, 320 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 6: move to Indiana. Bring bring your jobs to Indiana. We 321 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 6: have low cost of living, We consistently rank as one 322 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 6: of the best states to do business and to raise 323 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 6: a family. And New York keeps get if you didn't 324 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 6: think New York could get dirtier or worse or more 325 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 6: unsafe than what it already is. Elect this guy who's 326 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 6: anti police and totally embraces a socialist ideology to be 327 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 6: the mayor of New York City, and that's going to 328 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 6: be that's gonna be good for the heartland. It's going 329 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 6: to be good for places like Texas. 330 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: Can you stop? 331 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: No, we don't want these people moving here because these 332 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: people have been moving here for over a decade now, 333 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: and what has what have we gotten as a state? 334 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: Bigger taxes, bigger government, crony capitalism, destruction of farmland, tearing 335 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: down of the hoo's, your way of life in central Indiana. No, 336 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: mister Banks, Senator Banks, we don't want these people moving 337 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: here because they bring their politics with them and they 338 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: force us to change to them. I don't want, nor 339 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: should anybody want, any part of these people from New York. 340 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: Stay where you are and keep your stupid, horrible, rotten 341 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: politics and ideas with you, bring your jobs. 342 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 4: Believe your socialism at the state line. Go ahead and come, 343 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 4: but don't be woke with you. 344 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: Also, he's flat out wrong because Mandami didn't impact anything 345 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: it was a good night for Democrats last night. Oh, 346 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: this is going to be bad for the Democrats. No, clearly, 347 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: Virginia win, New Jersey win win. Yeah, like all over 348 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: the place, these guys were winning. And the reality is 349 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: in your big cities, whether it's Joe hog Set or 350 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: it's this guy in Minnesota or the guy in Chicago 351 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: or this mom Donnie, that is the new big city blueprint. 352 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: That's who's going to run these cities because that's who's left, 353 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: that's who stayed around. 354 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: But in the meantime, don't come here. We don't want 355 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: you here. I don't want you here. Jim Banks does 356 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: not speak for the rest of us. You stay right 357 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 3: where you are. 358 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: And thus why Jim Banks is the winner of the 359 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: Dumbass of the Day Awards. 360 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 4: Deal with the consequences of a Mom Donnie win. I 361 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: do believe that that is going to scare a lot 362 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 4: of people. It will put fear in people's minds, and 363 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: I think a lot of more people are going to say, hey, 364 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 4: you know, I'd rather have a rhino, someone who's for 365 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 4: the nation, rather than this socialist communist ideology with someone 366 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 4: like Mom Donnie. And I think it's going to affect 367 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 4: redistricting here in this state. 368 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: All right, speak of redistricting, let's take a break. They 369 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: have now delayed the redistricting to December, even though the 370 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: governor came out and said it had to be done 371 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: by November. He must have he must have had a 372 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: senior moment and forgot he said that, because he never 373 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: just blatantly. 374 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: Lie or be very dishonest. 375 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: But anyway, Jim Marrett will be with us to talk 376 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: about what this means for December. Can they get this done? 377 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: Is the legislature signaling they're not going to do anything. 378 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: It's Kennel and Casey on ninety three WIBC. 379 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: It doesn't that way. What we had should never have ended. 380 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: So they're moving redistricting back to December. 381 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 3: Will effect the outcome. It's kind of a Casey show. 382 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 3: I'm Rob Casey's here. 383 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: Look who it is joining us by the WBC Hotline today. 384 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: No one knows Indiana politics and government, the institution itself, 385 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: like this guy thirty years in the Indiana Senate, the 386 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: Great Jim Merritt. Hello, Robert, Okay, So we have Becasey 387 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: and I had this debate yesterday. So the governor came 388 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: out a few weeks ago, was like, we have to 389 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: have this done basically by middle of November. 390 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: It's too late. If it's after middle of November. 391 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: First week of December seems much later than in middle 392 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: of November. And the governor appears to maybe forgot. He 393 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: said that December seems very late to be altering congressional districts, 394 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: considering you got a file basically by the first week 395 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: of February to run. 396 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 7: Well, you and I agree that this past fall and 397 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 7: even summer that this is this is, this is not 398 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 7: the right thing to do. But now that it's been 399 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 7: called Robert, do you like popcorn? 400 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: Yes? I love popcorn. 401 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 7: Yes, Well, everybody, when I went to the movies, I 402 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 7: had dots. You remember the candy dots. 403 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the colored little bit shoeiaesy yeah, yeah, yeah. 404 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 7: But it's time to pop popcorn because in my time, 405 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 7: and I was, I was stuffing envelopes in nineteen seventy four, 406 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 7: I have never seen a special session inside a regular session. 407 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 7: And that's what you've got. You've got two weeks in December, 408 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 7: and uh, and I was. I was very very happy 409 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 7: to hear that they will have a solid two weeks 410 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 7: because I'm sure there's an itch somewhere in those caucuses 411 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 7: in the General Assembly to just just file a bill 412 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 7: that has a you know, has a map on it 413 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 7: and expect everybody to vote on it. And they will 414 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 7: have committee here. They will file bills, they will have 415 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 7: committee hearings. They will have a bill to match Indiana 416 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 7: tax code with the federal tax code. This will this 417 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 7: will be a full fledge part of the regular session. 418 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 7: And you know they're going to get so much done 419 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 7: in the first two weeks of December. Maybe they shouldn't 420 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 7: even come back because. 421 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: Okay, you hit on something important, Jim, which is this 422 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: is no longer a special session. It's now part of 423 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: the regular session, which means they basically do whatever they 424 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: want to do and start getting work ahead on other work. 425 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: For lack of a better term, however, look, this is 426 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: going to be a desire. I don't care what else 427 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: they try to do. I mean, they got to do 428 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: this tax code re alignment stuff, which is basically you know, 429 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: rubber stamping paperwork. But I don't care what else they do. 430 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: If this redistricting thing, which is what will get all 431 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: the attention if it fails after property taxes failed, broad 432 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: may as well just pack it up and go home. 433 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: Right. 434 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 7: Well, I think it's as a pox on all the houses. 435 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 7: You know, the the leadership in the in the Indian 436 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 7: Senate and the Indiana House of Representatives, that being the 437 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 7: Republican leadership has got a lot of pressure sure on them, 438 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 7: and brawn is threefold, and so it's a really difficult 439 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 7: slog for all these individuals that lead really the Republican 440 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 7: Party in Indiana. And I think you and I both 441 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 7: know that the votes are not there in the Senate 442 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 7: and I'm not really sure in thirty days how that's 443 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 7: going to change and what I meant by not coming back. 444 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 7: This is a short session in twenty twenty six, and 445 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 7: they have to adjourned signing to die by March fifteenth, 446 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 7: and so it's an emergency session. And at one time 447 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 7: we went just to February fourteenth, and so they're really 448 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 7: other than changing Senate Bill one in the twenty twenty 449 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 7: sixth session, and they might be able to do that 450 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 7: in December. They might. They really don't have to have 451 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 7: a session in twenty twenty six. 452 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: Jim Merritt is our guest thirty years in the Indiana Senate. Okay, 453 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: So one of the Bell Weathers was gonna be this 454 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: Greg Good town hall. He's the Republican senator in Tara Hoad. 455 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: Not one person showed up to this town hall to 456 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: speak in favor. Seventy plus people showed up to speak against. 457 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: This was a disaster. If you're in favor of this redistarging, right, 458 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: Jim Merritt, because this is one of the guys you 459 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: got to convince, and nobody said it showed up to 460 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: speak in favor. 461 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 7: Yes, I think I think that's I think that that's 462 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 7: a trail to the truth that that this doesn't ring. 463 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 7: People are more concerned about the property taxes, the rising 464 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 7: costs of energy, the rising costs of groceries. They really 465 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 7: don't know. It's so complicated with the redistrict thing. And 466 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 7: and good on Greg Good, centered Greg Good for holding 467 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 7: this session because he demonstrated transparency and and he's a 468 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 7: darn good state senator and demonstrated this week. 469 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you're him, right, or you're these 470 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: other even if you're not him, but these other sort 471 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: of undecided or yet to say yes, swing states, swing 472 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: district senators, you got to look at this, don't you go? 473 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 3: Well, we're done here. 474 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't even get one person that lived 475 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: in his district to show up but speak. 476 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 7: I'm out, yeah, well it's it's it's whenever I went 477 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 7: door to door, I listened very very intently, and I 478 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 7: got a lot of input and a lot of direction 479 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 7: from constituents that way, that that in that in that trail, 480 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 7: that that idea of listening to your constituents. And I'm 481 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 7: sure a lot of the members of the Senate are 482 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 7: hearing this and that's why they don't have the votes 483 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 7: in the Senate, and it will make December a very 484 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 7: interesting time. 485 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: Jim Merritt is our guest thirty years in the Indiana Senate. Okay, 486 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: So speaking of which, do you think there's I mean, 487 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: there is a rumor here that the lawmakers, the House members, 488 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: they are starting to feel in the House because they 489 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: think they have the votes in the House. But they're 490 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: starting to be a sort of a growing group of 491 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: members of the House who are saying the Senate is 492 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: not gonna have the votes, they are not gonna budget. 493 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: What do we do with this? 494 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: Do we gabble in you know, do we do we 495 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: do our business with the tax code realignment, which is 496 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: just basic administrative stuff. There shouldn't be anything controversial about it. 497 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: And then do we just tell mister governor, I'm sorry, 498 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: the votes aren't there. You know, we're gonna we're gonna 499 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: try to save you the embarrassed. We're gonna save you 500 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: from yourself. Or do we go through this exercise and 501 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: let it fail. If you were leadership in the House 502 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: and you knew, like if you're Todd Houston, Embrace told 503 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: you it ain't there, buddy, what would you do if 504 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: you were the speaker of the House of Representatives, Well, I. 505 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 7: Would, I would, I would be nimble, and I would 506 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 7: son and die if there was If it's really historical 507 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 7: that if the if a bill is in the House 508 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 7: and it doesn't have the votes in the Senate and 509 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 7: it looks like it's locked down, uh, more likely that 510 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 7: bill is dead and vice versa. Really, uh, this is 511 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 7: this is kind of uh, this is the this is 512 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 7: the history of the legislature is looking at the probability 513 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 7: and this is not folks, this is really the only question. 514 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 7: Is it going to be nine zero? That brings on 515 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 7: Congress and Carson to be mayor of Carson of Indianapolis 516 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 7: or is it seven to two? And with those amendments, 517 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 7: what happens when somebody files an amendment in committee or 518 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 7: on the floor of the state House representatives, you know, 519 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 7: either calling for snyde or for a different map. You know, 520 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 7: this is chalk full of of pop hooles that are 521 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 7: going to be on the way, and it's very going 522 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 7: to be very difficult not to fall in him and 523 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 7: blow its higher. 524 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, the last special session, I mean, this is not 525 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: technically a special session now, but let's face it, it kind 526 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: of is. They normally are not doing work in December. 527 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: But the last one was the abortion and while there 528 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: was some disagreement on exactly what the language final language 529 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: should be, this issue here, that issue there, there was 530 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: consensus among the Republican Party. 531 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 3: Hey, we're a pro live state. 532 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: We got to do something with this to tighten up 533 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: our laws related to protecting life. You don't have a 534 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: consensus within the Republican Party on this thing. So you're right, Jim, 535 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: it could be absolute glorious chaos if they let this 536 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: thing go forward, especially without the votes. 537 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 7: I think you need to expect the chaos. It's chaos now. 538 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 7: It's going to be chaos then in December, and I 539 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 7: did not participate in that summer special session you referred to, 540 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 7: but every special session I participated it in thirty years, 541 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 7: there was an agenda. Everything was agreed on. We went 542 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 7: through the process of vetting the bill and committee, albeit 543 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 7: quickly because everybody had the consensus. And all the way 544 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 7: back to introducing riverboats to Indiana back in nineteen ninety 545 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 7: one and nineteen ninety three, it was all there was 546 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 7: a consensus about passing a budget or whatnot. Everything was 547 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 7: agreed on before we went in the session, and there 548 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 7: was no need for amendments. But you're exactly right. I 549 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 7: hate saying that you're exactly You're exactly right. There is 550 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 7: no consensus, there's no agreed upon. Maybe they get there 551 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 7: and the Speaker and President for temporary Bray have have 552 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 7: been have been around a long time and they could 553 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 7: find consensus in their caucus caucuses. I don't if they 554 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 7: would have had consensus in August, they would have done 555 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 7: it then. But it certainly will be interesting for those 556 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 7: of us on the outside looking in. 557 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: Find them on Twitter at Jim Underline Merit Merit in 558 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: the Morning. That's the podcast Fun on YouTube as well 559 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: as Facebook. Jim Merritt, thank you, Robert. 560 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Kettle Casey Show ninety three WIBC. 561 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: All right, government people were sneaky yesterday in the state 562 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: and it was on the big ones, sort of a 563 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: mixed bag on how well the snuck is that the 564 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: past tense, past tense, you. 565 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: Sneaked, snuck, sneaked, sneaked. 566 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: Would be snuck anyway, there were a couple of school 567 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: referendums across the state of Indiana. The two big ones 568 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,239 Speaker 1: that everybody were keeping an eye on were the one 569 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: in Fort Wayne and the one in Avon. Yeah, the 570 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: one in Fort Wayne went down in flames, which is awesome, 571 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: and as we predicted, the one in Avon easily passed. 572 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: And this is something that no matter where you live, 573 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: you need to wake up on this because there is 574 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: a good chance, depending on where you're at, that within 575 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: the next couple of years, you're going to see one 576 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: of these at your doorstep. Based on this property tax law, 577 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: which the school the school systems are going to use 578 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: as a crutch to do something they want to do anyway, 579 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: which is raise your taxes. 580 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 3: Now we'll get in this next hour. 581 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: They may be making some more changes to this Senate bill, 582 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: one which is it's a dumpster fire, not not dumbster 583 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: fired in the sense of, oh, these poor schools, everyone 584 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: feel sorry for them. It's a dumstery in the sense 585 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: of it didn't help us, right, it didn't do anything 586 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: for us. But a couple of things that were on 587 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: full display with the two big referendums in Avon there 588 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: was no organized opposition. And in order to beat school referendums, 589 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: you have to have an organized and somewhat not totally 590 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: well but somewhat funded operation to do things like doors 591 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: and signs, and people who are just constantly pounding this 592 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: drum on what is actually going on in the community, 593 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: because the problem becomes like in Avon they got away 594 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: with all. First of all, even having the thing in 595 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: an off year was totally gross and disgusting. 596 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: Those people should be ashamed of themselves. 597 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: But you have to have people to counteract these claims 598 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: that people are making, Oh, it's not a it's not 599 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: a reference, which just can continuation of the current taxes. Well, 600 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: the reality is for most people their taxes would have 601 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: gone down by hundreds of dollars. You have to have 602 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: when they go the renters won't be impacted by this. 603 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: They're not paying property taxes. Of course, the renters are 604 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: going to get screwed more than anybody else because the 605 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: landlord is going to pass the property taxes onto the renter, 606 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: which they would see a decrease in their rent if 607 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: they like. 608 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: All of these things. 609 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: You can't just shout into the abyss or on the 610 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: towny chatterboard and think that's going to sway people to 611 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: show up and vote. You've got to excite the school people. 612 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: You usually don't change minds in referendums. You've either got 613 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: people who are one way or another, and you've got 614 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: to motivate your people who are inclined to vote no, 615 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: to get to the polls and to go vote. And 616 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: in the case of Avon, there was nothing. In the 617 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: case of Fort Wayne, they did a much better job 618 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: in terms of getting that word out and it failed. 619 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 4: It. 620 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: When you get the word out, when you get people 621 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: to do the doors, the things often fail. 622 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 4: Okay, So in Fort Wayne it was rejected. Fifty four 623 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 4: percent voted no, forty six percent voted yes, and in 624 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 4: Avon it was sixty four and a half percent of 625 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 4: voters supported renewing the referendum. 626 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: But here's the thing. 627 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: They only had seven thousand, seven hundred voters. 628 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: It's pathetic out of forty. 629 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: Two thousand, six hundred and eighty one eligible. 630 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like eighteen percent of the two turnout. 631 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: No, I can't remember what the total number is. I 632 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: got they won by thousand votes or something like that. 633 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: And this is what I kept trying to tell those 634 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: guys to the whole thing. I said, look, you're going 635 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: to lose. I mean, I've been around this long enough 636 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: to know I can tell a month out what's going 637 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: to happen. And I told those guys, I said the Mitchell, 638 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: our buddy Mitchell who tried, And I said, be proud 639 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: of yourself. 640 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: You did what you could do. 641 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: But I said, I've been around these long enough and 642 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: I've beat enough of these to know how how they 643 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: work and how to do this. 644 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 3: And you guys just don't. Don't have that going on. 645 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: But one of the things that's fascinating is think about 646 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: that in a town of whatever Avon is now, they 647 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: build a high den city housing development on every corner. 648 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: So thirty thousand or thirty five thousand or whatever in 649 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: the when include Washington, township. 650 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 3: It's well over that, right. 651 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: If you'd got a fifteen hundred or a th more 652 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: people to just go spend five minutes out of their 653 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: day to go do something, you would have won the 654 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: number like you here, sixty five thirty five. You go, oh, 655 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: it passed overwhelmingly. It's nothing, and the nectual number is nothing. 656 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: But that's where it comes back to. You've got to 657 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: harp on people to go do this, and you've got 658 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: to meet them where they're at, and that's not on 659 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: the towny chatterboard because everybody there already has made up 660 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: their mind. 661 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 3: You've got to get people motivated to go do the thing. 662 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 2: Well. 663 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 4: Part of the thing is that the Avon Community schools 664 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,959 Speaker 4: have direct access to parents with children in the schools. 665 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 4: Of course, they have a built in customer base right exactly, 666 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: So when you're opposing it, you have to take that 667 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 4: into consideration. 668 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: And that's why they should be banned. 669 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 1: Because the Avon school system was able to have those 670 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: teachers who will financially benefit. 671 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 3: This is gross. 672 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: These teachers who will financially benefit off of raising taxes 673 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: go out and lobby for the tax increase, while the 674 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: other people who don't want their taxes to go up, 675 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: would have had to spend their own time and their 676 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: own money and all this other stuff to fight for 677 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: the taxes going on. No benefit other than well we 678 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: don't want to tax increase. That is totally flawed, that's 679 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: totally wrong. But the legislature is totally afraid of the 680 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: public school system. 681 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 3: So nothing is going to change with that. 682 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: So stay lawmakers. 683 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 4: They're looking at revisiting property tax reform in this upcoming 684 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 4: short session. 685 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: Bron said, everybody fine, whoa oh down with my spring 686 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: me now, oh there it is. 687 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 3: Now it's on. You're not gonna stop the public education. 688 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: System, I thought, Bron said, everybody was very happy with 689 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: the property tax. 690 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 3: Apparently not. 691 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: We'll talk about it coming up. It is ninety three 692 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: WYBC