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Speaker 1: They don't take themselves too seriously. They're there to have fun.

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Speaker 1: and training day, report day for the Colts. We'll get

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Speaker 1: into all of that when we come back Query Company

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Speaker 1: here on a Monday. Good Monday afternoon to you on

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Speaker 1: the fan. Mike Chap, I'm going to join us a

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Speaker 1: little over twenty five minutes from now. Colts Camp getting

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Speaker 1: underway this week. We will be out there, as a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, this show will be

439
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Speaker 1: out there over the weekend. The news coming out from

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Speaker 1: the family of Bob Hamil that Bob Hamill passed away

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Speaker 1: at the age of eighty eight. And I think most

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Speaker 1: of you are familiar with Bob Hamill in terms of

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Speaker 1: his work, notably as the essentially the biographer of Bob Knight.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the easiest way to say it. Bob

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Speaker 1: Hamil's job, by definition, is that he was the sports

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Speaker 1: editor for the Bloomington Harold Times known as the Bloomington

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Speaker 1: Harold Telephone at the time that he took the job

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six as the sports editor. But his

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Speaker 1: story is a relatively fascinating one because he grew up

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Speaker 1: in Huntington, and in nineteen fifty four he got a

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Speaker 1: job with the Huntington newspaper and he had just finished

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Speaker 1: his freshman year at Indiana, and instead of going back

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Speaker 1: to Bloomington, he because he had that opportunity, he went

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Speaker 1: ahead and took it and began writing for the Huntington

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Speaker 1: newspaper before moving to Bloomington and taking the job with

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Speaker 1: the Harold Telephone in nineteen sixty six. And in that capacity, obviously,

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Speaker 1: and in that era, you know that would have been

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Speaker 1: essentially covered. The first coach that he would have covered

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Speaker 1: in terms of totality of a coach's tenure at Indiana

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Speaker 1: would have been Lou Watson before Bob Knight was hired

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two, and yes he covered the Rose Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Yes he covered Mark Spitz and the Olympic prowess that

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Speaker 1: Spitz had as a swimmer from Indiana. But to cover

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Speaker 1: Indiana sports for the time period that he did, even

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Speaker 1: though Bob Hammill's job would have been, you know, covering

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Speaker 1: high school sports and the different great teams and games

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Speaker 1: that came through southern Indiana, if your job is primarily

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Speaker 1: as the face of Bloomington sports media during the Bob

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Speaker 1: Knight era, then the most important storyline that you would

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Speaker 1: cover would be Bob Knight in Indiana basketball. And I

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Speaker 1: don't mean that to dismiss or discredit any other top

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Speaker 1: in which Bob hammil would have been assigned to cover,

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Speaker 1: but rather because there is no one figure. And I

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Speaker 1: totally understand that if you did not live in the

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Speaker 1: state of Indiana during the time that he was at

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Speaker 1: his apex, that you would have hesitation or be you know,

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Speaker 1: roll your eyes at this statement. But during the time

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Speaker 1: that Bob Knight was at his peak at Indiana, and

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Speaker 1: I would say that that would be from roughly nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy three to nineteen ninety three. Certainly that twenty year

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Speaker 1: period there was no more polarizing figure in the state

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Speaker 1: of Indiana than Bob Knight, and more so, and I

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Speaker 1: truly believe this to be fact. During the twenty years

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Speaker 1: that Bob Knight was at his peak influence in the

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Speaker 1: state of Indiana, I believe that Bob Knight was the

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Speaker 1: most powerful sports figure within the state of operation more

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Speaker 1: so than any ambassador or sports related figure in any

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Speaker 1: state in the country. I think Bob Knight had had

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Speaker 1: and wielded more power in Indiana for a twenty year

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Speaker 1: period than any other sports figure you can think of

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Speaker 1: for any state. Maybe Bear Bryant, maybe Joe Paterno. But

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Speaker 1: Knight's influence was immeasurable and unprecedented at the time that

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Speaker 1: he was here, and certainly his polarization and what Bob

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Speaker 1: Hamill had the challenge of navigating was the fact that

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Speaker 1: if you are the sports editor and you are a

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Speaker 1: writer that is assigned to the coverage of Indiana University athletics,

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Speaker 1: there are a long list of people in the sports

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Speaker 1: media world that Bob Knight iced out and basically froze

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Speaker 1: out from his program. Ed Sorenson would be one, Mark

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Speaker 1: Patrick for a period would be one. I believe Don

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Speaker 1: heine for a period would be one you know where

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Speaker 1: Bob Knight would not like a column that was written

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Speaker 1: and just deny access or make things difficult or make

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Speaker 1: it and there was. It is very difficult. It's very

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Speaker 1: very difficult. If you are a delicate tessen that operates

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Speaker 1: on a street with five other delicatessens and you're the

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Speaker 1: one that the cold cuts supplier decides he's not going

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Speaker 1: to sell you ham Well, that's pretty difficult then to

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Speaker 1: compete with the rest of the delis. And that was

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Speaker 1: what Bob Hamill had to contend with, was knowing that

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Speaker 1: if he got on the wrong side or got froze

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Speaker 1: out from Bob Knight, that he was on the outs

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Speaker 1: and that he did not have coverage and that he

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Speaker 1: would not be the go to person for coverage about

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Speaker 1: Indiana athletics. And certainly, journalistically speaking, you could make the

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Speaker 1: case that Bob Hamill overstepped the line of journalistic principle

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Speaker 1: and integrity by getting too close to the subject or

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Speaker 1: not being as objective as he should have been on

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Speaker 1: the subject, and that would be a fair critique except

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Speaker 1: for that maybe Bob Hamil was actually the one in

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Speaker 1: the relationship of when people thought that Bob Knight was

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Speaker 1: the one that was pulling all the strings, maybe it

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Speaker 1: was Bob Hamill because he knew how to perfectly work

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Speaker 1: Bob Knight. But either way, he was a brilliant writer

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Speaker 1: in terms of his ability to describe things as they happened,

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Speaker 1: to use the language and prose to retroactively recreate situations

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Speaker 1: that you were reading about out And he also had

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Speaker 1: the ability, which was very difficult, or would not have

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Speaker 1: been an easy thing to do, to kind of serve

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Speaker 1: as the intermediary between a lot of the press corps

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Speaker 1: and Knight himself, because he was the one that if

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Speaker 1: you really wanted to if you needed to get something

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Speaker 1: from Night, or if you needed to get close to him.

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Speaker 1: Hamill was a guy that had to do the balancing

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Speaker 1: act between serving as that kind of pool reporter to

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Speaker 1: an extent, but at the same time making sure that

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Speaker 1: he was the one that was getting the inside scoop

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Speaker 1: or the story that others were not, And I think

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Speaker 1: he balanced all of those things very well while being

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Speaker 1: a very nice man to a lot of people. He

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Speaker 1: also served as the color analyst for Don Fisher on

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Speaker 1: Indiana broadcasts in the mid to late nineties, So there

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Speaker 1: were a number of things in which Bob Hamill was

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Speaker 1: involved with Indiana basketball even after his writing and coverage.

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Speaker 1: But he passed away over the weekend, did Bob Hamill,

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Speaker 1: And he wrote books about Indiana basketball and Bob Knight

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Speaker 1: in general, and I think for Indiana fans was a

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Speaker 1: beloved figure within the history of that program. Bob Hamill

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Speaker 1: passing away at the age of eighty eight. Pat Knight,

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Speaker 1: who I would assume probably thought of Bob Hamil almost

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Speaker 1: as like an uncle type figure, will join us at

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Speaker 1: one point thirty to talk about exactly that I mentioned

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Speaker 1: earlier in the show that sometimes my brain, like I

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Speaker 1: come up with something that I'm convinced that I'm correct.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, something happened to me from a sports standpoint,

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Speaker 1: and yes, I'll be an old guy getting off the

557
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Speaker 1: lawn here or telling you to get off my lawn.

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Speaker 1: I am convinced, and I think Eddie will agree with me.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be very, very very curious whether or

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Speaker 1: not Eddie agrees with me about something over the weekend

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Speaker 1: that took place. When Eddie asked what I did on

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Speaker 1: Friday where I had a sports opinion and I will

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Speaker 1: go absolutely to my grave and die on the hill

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Speaker 1: of the fact that I'm not wrong about this. I'm

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Speaker 1: not wrong about this, and I would challenge anybody, not literally,

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Speaker 1: I guess, but to question me, which plenty of people

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Speaker 1: did over the weekend. I'll tell you what it is next,

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Speaker 1: and Chap joins us in eighteen. So on Friday evening,

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Speaker 1: I believe it was Friday evening, I'm sitting and I'm

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Speaker 1: watching some of the coverage of the WNBA All Star Game,

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Speaker 1: and I noticed that the four letter ESPN, and I

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Speaker 1: get why they do this. I mean it creates conversation.

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Speaker 1: Look guilty as charged because I'm bringing up in conversation. Now, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you, and I need you to be

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Speaker 1: honest with me for the sake of the sanctity of

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Speaker 1: this question I'm about to ask. I need you to

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Speaker 1: be honest. If you happened to see the tweet that

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Speaker 1: I had on Friday evening in regards to something I

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Speaker 1: had witnessed on ESPN and the conversation that generated no, okay, good,

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Speaker 1: then that leads me to authentically ask you this question. So,

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Speaker 1: as I'm watching on ESPN and they're doing WNBA coverage,

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Speaker 1: I guess they're doing a segment this summer where they

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Speaker 1: are going to different states and they are listing for

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Speaker 1: each state the top ten sports moments in the history

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Speaker 1: of that state. And I'm watching it, and when I

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Speaker 1: looked up, I happened to look up right as they

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Speaker 1: were on number two, And the number two moment that

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Speaker 1: they listed was Keith Smart shot to defeat Syracuse in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty seven National Championship Game, which, if you

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Speaker 1: were to talk about and when you say, and I

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Speaker 1: guess this is one of the qualifiers here when you

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Speaker 1: say greatest sports moment in a state, there are three

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Speaker 1: ways to look at that. Number one something that just

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Speaker 1: happened to take place within that state, yep. Or number

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Speaker 1: two something that took place in connection to that state

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Speaker 1: that is the most nationally famous. Or number three something

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Speaker 1: that is a sports moment or a moment that is

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Speaker 1: most representative or most identifies with the culture and the

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Speaker 1: people and the livelihood within that state itself. Those are

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Speaker 1: kind of three different areas, right, Okay. Keith Smart's shot,

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Speaker 1: for example, to beat Syracuse in the eighty seven National

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Speaker 1: Championship Game is one that certainly has I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: it's been thirty eight years ago, and you know, everybody been.

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Speaker 1: Indiana fans seem to be aware of how long ago

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Speaker 1: that was. But the it was a moment that still

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Speaker 1: is referenced. I mean, if you watch the opening every

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Speaker 1: you know, done no no, done, done un done. They

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Speaker 1: show the NCAA tournament, you see smart shot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was a you know, it's a last second shot

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Speaker 1: to win a national championship. Pretty significant. Okay, But if

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Speaker 1: I were to ask you, Eddie Garrison, off the top

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Speaker 1: of your head and do not look at my my thing.

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Speaker 1: If I were to ask you right now, what is

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Speaker 1: the number one if you were to stop, if we

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Speaker 1: go to the Indiana State Fair and there are a

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Speaker 1: thousand people walking around, and you stop people and you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: two questions. Question number one, are you from Indiana? If

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Speaker 1: their answer is yes, they're from Indiana, and you then

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Speaker 1: say to them, what is the top sports moment in

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Speaker 1: the history of this state.

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Speaker 2: Marlin's got it. We're going to the super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's way up there. That's probably top ten, right.

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Speaker 2: Winning the Super Bowl certainly that I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to argue that that would not be from

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Speaker 1: a national standpoint, I don't know what would be bigger

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Speaker 1: than your a team from your state winning the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I mean globally that is known, right.

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Speaker 2: Any of the shots by Tyre's Holliburn in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Recency bias, But yes, one would assume that as we

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Speaker 1: move forward, those are going to stand that test, right

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Speaker 1: for sure? I mean the eight points and nine seconds

632
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: is way up there, right, I mean it's still reference.

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Speaker 1: You go any with all due respect you and Kayden

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Speaker 1: who's in here sitting in right now. I mean, neither

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Speaker 1: one of you guys are even alive w eight points

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00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: and nine seconds have but you know exactly what it is, right,

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00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean you see it referenced all the time. Yep,

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Speaker 1: I personally believe.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: My point is simply this, if you were to ask,

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Speaker 1: if you were to just stop random people and ask them,

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00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: some would say, I think a lot would say Peyton

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: Manning related things right, the Colts winning the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: the Colts winning the AFC title game that you discussed,

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Speaker 1: the Reggie the spikee Choke game. If they're an IU fan,

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Speaker 1: they're Geinner reference, maybe the watch shot or or Keith

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Speaker 1: smart shot or whatever it might be, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Heck, even the Andrew lut game against the Chiefs when

649
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: they make that.

650
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: The Superman Came game, that's way up there right now.

651
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: Those are those are all like Now, then you get

652
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: into the nuance of the high school basketball aspect of things.

653
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: Scott Skiles hooked shot that went in to defeat Gary Roosevelt,

654
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: Stacey Turan shot from three quarters court in the nineteen

655
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: eighty you know, Indiana High School Basketball Tournament. It is

656
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: my personal belief, Garry Harris that the or what any

657
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: of those, I mean, they're you know, Gordon Hayward putting

658
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: in a game winner, right.

659
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

660
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: My personal belief is that the number one sports moment

661
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: in the history of Indiana is Mylin beating Munseie Central.

662
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: That became what obviously Hoosiers is about out. I mean,

663
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: Bobby plump shot that beat Muncie Central. And when I

664
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: said that, and people are like, well, that's just because

665
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: you're old, you're saying that. I'm like, that happened twenty

666
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: years before I was born. But it's been you know,

667
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: you go anywhere in the world and people know what

668
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: Hoosiers is. The movie Hoosiers. I mean, it's become perhaps

669
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: the most beloved sports movie of all time. The Pacers

670
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: wore the Hickory uniforms for like, well longer than they

671
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: should have, but at any rate, God, those were awful.

672
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: The number one moment do you want to guess what

673
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: ESPN listed is the number one sports moment in the

674
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 1: history of Indiana? And I'm like, this was the most

675
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: this is the most off base. And when I said it,

676
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: the fans of this respective team were like, you're a hater.

677
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, no,

678
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't deny that it was a great moment. I

679
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: don't deny that it was significant at the time that

680
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: it happened. But you, guys, I'm sitting in here, Eddie's

681
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: in here, and then Cayden correct is to day yep,

682
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: so Caden is shadowing you today. Who's become a new

683
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: member of the team here that is a sud At

684
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: University of Indianapolis, if I'm not mistaken, yep. Okay here, yep.

685
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: So you guys tell me whether or not some of

686
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: the things that I just mentioned you are familiar with, Right,

687
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: You're familiar with key smart shot, Yes, you're familiar with Okay,

688
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: are you familiar with the Danny Sullivan's spin to win. Yes, okay.

689
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Mylin beating Munsey Central somewhat, which

690
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: is what hoos yours is base? No, yes, Bobby, you're

691
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: familiar with like like there's a bar and brought apook

692
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: called plump slash shot from Bobby Plump right, Yes, okay.

693
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Oscar Robertson and Christmas Addicts? Yes? Okay,

694
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: that also was twenty years before I was born.

695
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: Now most of this I'm educated through you, so thank you.

696
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: No problem. So they had the number one moment, and

697
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: again I'm going to go back to if you stopped

698
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: because I said, I go, look, that was a great moment.

699
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: There's no question I would not list it as a

700
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: top fifty moment in the history of Indiana sports. And

701
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, if you were to

702
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: stop people in the state of Indiana and say, what

703
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: is your number one sports moment? What do you think

704
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: is the and some people I don't mean to you.

705
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean the one that you think is the greatest

706
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: moment as it identifies with the culture of who we

707
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: are as the state of Indiana. And it is my

708
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: belief that if you stopped people at the Indiana State

709
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Fair and asked them that, and you were not allowed

710
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: to leave until you got this. As someone's impulsive, instinctive

711
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: first answer, You're gonna be there a long time. They

712
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: listed the number one as Notre Dame beating Miami in

713
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight and the Catholics Versus Convicts game. Thoughts,

714
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: I have no thoughts. I mean, how are you tell

715
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: me familiar with the game? What's that?

716
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: I'm not even familiar with that game?

717
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: Kaitene, Are you okay? That was my point. I'm like

718
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: people were like, no, that's a huge moment. I'm like,

719
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: in the moment, it was no question. I remember it

720
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: like it was yesterday. And to Notre Dame fans, But

721
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: for Notre Dame fans, to me, Notre Dame in nineteen

722
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: seventy three ending Bill Walton in UCLA's winning streak was

723
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: more significant in the history of Notre Dame Athletics, even

724
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: in the other names of football school than the Catholics

725
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: Versus Convicts game. To me, and Notre Dame has had

726
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: great teams in great moments, and that was a huge one,

727
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: no question. But to list that is the number one

728
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: moment in Indiana sports history. I'm like, what, I just

729
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: think if you were to ask people on if you

730
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: were to stop random Hoosiers and ask them what is

731
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: the number one moment in the history of this state,

732
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: then you get into a whole different category of do

733
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: we count Michael Jordan's return game? Do we count John

734
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: Daily winning the PGA when nobody had heard of him

735
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: and that introduced him as one of golf's biggest charismatic characters.

736
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: At cricket stick? Do we count Grant Hill dropping from

737
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: the teflon in the ninety one final four, or for

738
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: that matter, the allegations of point shaving or the assumption

739
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: of it with Unlv and Duke in ninety one. I mean,

740
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: there are a billion ways that you can look at

741
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: that whole aspect of it in terms of final fours

742
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: and events that have taken place here. Do we count

743
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: Eli Manning and the Giants winning a second Super Bowl

744
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: and having it take place in Indianapolis? You know, you

745
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: get into a whole different talk show at that point.

746
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: But I will the one thing that the hill that

747
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I will die on is in no way, shape or

748
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: form and no disrespect to Notre Dame fans, and I

749
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: know what football means to Notre Dame, and I know

750
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: what that game means to the people of Notre Dame

751
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: and the fans of Notre Dame. And I was there

752
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: or you know, here when it happened, and it was

753
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: a massive, massive story and a great moment and everything else.

754
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: The ninety three game where they beat Florida State, many

755
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: Notre Dame fans might tell you was even bigger than

756
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: the eighty eight game. But nonetheless, I will die on

757
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: the hill that was not the number one sports moment

758
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: in Indiana. Mike Chapel joins us next. This is Eddie's

759
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: way of telling me that when it comes to me

760
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: getting worked up over something of which I'm convinced that

761
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm not wrong, just to let it be right, let

762
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: it go.

763
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna play frozen, let it go. So yeah,

764
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: we're going to go with the Beatles in stead because

765
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: it kills two birds with one stone.

766
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Speaker 1: It's correct.

767
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: My chapels favorite group right.

768
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: Here is Mike Chapel joining us on the program of

769
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Speaker 1: course from WXI in Fox fifty nine and CBS four

770
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: on this the eve of report Day for the Colts.

771
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: And then everything getting underway ten o'clock in the morning

772
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: practice number one. We will get into all of that

773
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: in just a minute, but Mike, before we do that,

774
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: I wanted to I guess sidebar in this area. I

775
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: talked about him earlier, but as somebody who is yourself,

776
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, a giant within the print broadcast world of

777
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: sports media in Indiana, the passing of Bob Hamill at

778
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: the age of eighty eight over the weekend, his family

779
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: making that announcement. I just wanted to give you the

780
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to share kind of your recollection or just your

781
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: thoughts on the passing of Bob Hamil.

782
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

783
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 4: Normally with the media, we sort of stand in our

784
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 4: little circles. Yeah, you're right. Me in Indy and he

785
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 4: in Bloomington, and I was her friend, no acquaintance, yes,

786
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: but the admiration is undeniable. And the thing that people

787
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: have to understand about about a bat Bob Hamil type

788
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: person is he's covering the beat in his city. I

789
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: you basketball, and not only that, he's got to deal

790
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 4: with Bob Knight. And if you think that's easy, you're crazy.

791
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: I did it from the from the periphery with when

792
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: I was ten years at Anderson, and we had the

793
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: what we always call it the Madison Heights Phil Buck Pipeline.

794
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 4: To I you, Bobby Wilkerson and Ray Talbert who I

795
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 4: ran into you today was great, But Winston Morgan, Stu Robinson.

796
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 3: Uh So I.

797
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 4: Dealt with Bob just kind of patty, how you doing?

798
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: About how you doing?

799
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 4: But nothing nothing, you know, even the remotely close. But

800
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: people have to understand how hard it is to maintain

801
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 4: your reputation of objectivity when you're covering the beat in

802
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 4: your community and you have to be fair objective and

803
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 4: you have to deal with stuff you're right, maybe poing

804
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 4: the king, you know, Bob Knight. So, I thought you

805
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 4: did a tremendous job, and I never would have wanted

806
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 4: to be in his shoes. Had to do what he

807
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: did because there had to be times that he had

808
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 4: to sorder just kind of bows in and say whatever.

809
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 4: But again the footprints, well, you know it's I always say,

810
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 4: we all want to leave some kind of footprints just

811
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 4: so the people remember that you were there. Well, Bob

812
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: Hammo left footprints. Let me tell you. He helped so

813
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: many people, the rick Bos, that Chus and people like

814
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 4: that that I've dealt with as well. And I, you know,

815
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: David Hall, I just think it's incredible and we knew

816
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 4: he was not in the greatest of health, but kind

817
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: of just makes me think how old I'm getting when

818
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 4: people that I grew up with and around aren't no

819
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: longer with.

820
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Speaker 1: Us, do you when you look at it, Chap, and

821
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: you look at Bob Hamill's career, and he came to

822
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Speaker 1: Bloomington in nineteen sixty six, which means that he got

823
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: there six years before Bob Knight. But been you know

824
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: Bob Knight certainly you know he went to the final

825
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: four and seventy three, so he was often running in

826
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Speaker 1: terms of his influence speaking of Bob Knight's and having

827
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Speaker 1: to balance and delicately balance exactly what you're talking about

828
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: in terms of objectivity, but at the same time access,

829
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, truth be told. Sure, did Bob Hamill at

830
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: any point to your recollection almost also serve not just

831
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: as the immediate window to Bob Knight's world, but also

832
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: kind of an intermediary between Bob Knight and the rest

833
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: of the media. In other words, was there did he

834
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: almost buy just proximity become the guy that had to

835
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Speaker 1: kind of serve as the middleman in the riffs that

836
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: Knight would have with the rest of the media.

837
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Speaker 4: World probably, and that's what I say. The balancing act

838
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 4: is I can only imagine so tremendous, because you can't

839
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 4: just come out and rip the guy, I mean just

840
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 4: totally rip him, because you need access the next day,

841
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: the next week, the next month. So it's very difficult

842
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: to keep your credibility while while calling, you know, a

843
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 4: spade a spade when it comes to the many things

844
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 4: that Knight did good and bad, and there were plenty

845
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 4: of both, so I think it's really hard. I can't imagine.

846
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 4: I dealt with Jimersay for forty some years and and

847
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 4: he respected the fact that if he did something stupid,

848
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 4: I'd calling about it. You know, we didn't always agree.

849
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: I just think that when you when and and and

850
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 4: that theirs was about that level. Because again in Bloomington,

851
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 4: it was IU basketball and oh by the way they

852
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 4: played football. Yeah, they sort of got you to the

853
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 4: basketball season. So I wouldn't have wanted that job. Seriously,

854
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 4: during my time at the Star, we went through three

855
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 4: or four guys that that dealt with IU as a beat,

856
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: and everybody had horror stories of being yelled at or

857
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 4: sent out of the locker room or whatever. And again

858
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 4: I was when I'm covering him and Anderson with our

859
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: guys that were there, You're you're you're not one of

860
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: the guys like the Bloomington guys and even the indie guys.

861
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 4: But I saw how hard it was, how hard it

862
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 4: could be to deal with Night, how he just simply

863
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 4: talked down to people and dismissed people. And I think

864
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 4: he was hard on Bob Hammel at times, because that's

865
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 4: who Bob Knight was. Uh So, I again, a legend

866
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: and what he did was was helped so many people,

867
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: and he dealt was a very very difficult situation probably

868
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 4: about as well as you could and did did things

869
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 4: maybe go totally unreported, I don't know, but I thought

870
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: he handled it about as well as you could, understanding

871
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 4: that while yes, I got this job as as the

872
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 4: beat guy and the guy always there, he had to

873
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 4: he had to keep in mind he always had to

874
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 4: be able to be there, so a difficult, difficult balancing act.

875
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 4: And I thought he did it about as well as

876
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 4: anybody could have.

877
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: And we'll would do by the way chat before we

878
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: get to the Colts, And I know that you and

879
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: I have crossed this bridge before, but it sometimes it's

880
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: worth doing again because it's fun. And that is when

881
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: you really think about, like right now, if you just

882
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: stop and close your eyes and you think about one

883
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: of those games, you know of Stu Robinson going up

884
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: against you know, a young Troy Lewis, or Madison Heights

885
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: going to battle at the Wigwam against Anderson or Highland

886
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: coming in and taking on Madison Heights or whatever it

887
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: might be. The pack nature of the gym, the frenzy,

888
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: the level of play that was there, the rivalry amongst

889
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: all of it, and the town essentially shutting down on

890
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: a Friday or Saturday night for high school basketball. In

891
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: the moment that those things were taking place in the

892
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: late seventies early eighties, I don't know that any of

893
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: us realized that what we were seeing is something that

894
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: at some point two old guys on the radio would

895
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: be talking about him as the Glory years. But it

896
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: truly was a magical time that I don't know that

897
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: it ever comes back, right.

898
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mentioned, Ray Talbert, my grandkids participated in

899
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 4: a basketball camp at Mount Vernon Middle School last week

900
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: Luke Levyan Anne and Ray Talbert was one of the counselors,

901
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 4: one of the main guys, and I made it a

902
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 4: point to go over there and spent ten fifteen minutes

903
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 4: and we just talked. His eyes lit up. We go

904
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 4: back at he's a friend. He's the guy that through

905
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 4: the year. Jesus.

906
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

907
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 4: If I if I see somebody walking in the ball

908
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 4: like him, which stop and talk, probably have lunch. But

909
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 4: he he was the most dominant high school player I

910
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 4: ever covered. Not the best, Troy Lewis was damn near

911
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 4: the best. He was good.

912
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: He was really good. Yeah.

913
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 4: I still there were moments and I can still remember

914
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: a game his senior year and they're playing l Wood

915
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 4: and now what's got Evie Cotton name sticks in my

916
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 4: head and they said, we're not going to be you know,

917
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 4: in all Ray Talbert, We're gonna take it in the lane.

918
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 4: He blocked eighteen shots, eighteen shots and you know so,

919
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 4: but that was him, mister basketball that year. One of

920
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 4: the more talented Indian All Star teams with Talbert and

921
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 4: Drake Morris and Steve Risley and Rick Lance and on

922
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 4: and on, and it was totally blown up because Drake

923
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 4: Morris thought he should have been and probably should have

924
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: been mister basketball, and it just went went to hell

925
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 4: when you're left chemistry. But I still see there were

926
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 4: years in Madison County that I would have taken our

927
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 4: Madison County All Star team and given Indian All Stars

928
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 4: a hell of a game. I believe that to this day.

929
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 4: With all the talent and yeah, I know I harp

930
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 4: on that. But one of the things I've got is

931
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 4: on my key ring, I've got a nineteen eighty one.

932
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 4: It's a memorable thing when all those little keat chain

933
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 4: things in nineteen eighty one IU championship and it was Ray.

934
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 4: It was Ray and Isaiah Thomas and Lanta Turner. I

935
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 4: was there for the Bobby Wilkerson both of them into

936
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 4: specthim in Philly. So those were the glory days in

937
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: Anderson and for a while for IU, I mean really

938
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 4: the unbeaten team and all that stuff. So I never

939
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 4: grow tired. You know, football is what I do and

940
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 4: that's what I've come to be. But for my ten

941
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 4: years at Anderson, glory days of nine thousand the Wigwam

942
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 4: and four or five thousand at Hideland and Mason Heights

943
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 4: and what great times, just great times.

944
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: By the way, seventy six and eighty seven the bookends

945
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: of Bob Knight's titles. I always found it fascinating that

946
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: in both National Championship games, player number twenty suffered an

947
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: injury early in the game that knocked him out of

948
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: the game and left him scored us for the rest

949
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: of the game. Bobby Wilkerson in seventy six, Ricky Callaway

950
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: in eighty seven. My brain is really weird, and I

951
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: have no idea how that even pops into it.

952
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 4: And again I talked to our bosses, just sending me

953
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 4: to each to each National Championship in seventy six and

954
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 4: eighty one, and I get there and to Philly the Spectrum,

955
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 4: and thing's a buzz against Michigan and Bobby gets blown up,

956
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 4: gets knocked out, literally knocked out, I don't know, five

957
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 4: minutes in the game. Yep, waymon BRIT's elbow. So so

958
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 4: you know, it was really pretty amazing. And I think

959
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 4: in the semi finals Wilkerson had had like twenty rebounds

960
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 4: against UCLA. So again I just think it's I know,

961
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 4: people thinking, man, move on, no, that's all gone. Those

962
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 4: were great times with the Kent Benson's And I'm still

963
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 4: po that Bobby Wilkerson didn't make the Olympic team. I

964
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 4: really am heat because he deserved it. But I'll never

965
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 4: forget those times. And and my son told me, said,

966
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: I didn't know you you missed high school basketball that much.

967
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 4: I said, well, back then it was. It was special

968
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 4: for ten years. And just some of that memories is

969
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 4: now Mark Barnheiser. You know, we said all this stuff

970
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 4: with Brooks Barnheiser. I covered Mark Barnheiser when he would

971
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: drop thirty every night for lapel. So it was this

972
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 4: a great time.

973
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: Chap. Let's get to my chapel. Our guests, by the way,

974
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: CBS four and w XI in Fox fifty nine. Okay,

975
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: chap Obviously Anderson did serve at one time as the

976
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: home for Colts camp. It is now at Grand Park

977
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: and Westfield. Things get underway in terms of reporting tomorrow

978
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: practice on Wednesday. One of the things that I'm most

979
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: curious about. We're gonna talk plenty of plenty about the

980
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: quarterback and other such situations over the course of camp,

981
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: but I really am curious to see how, if in

982
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: any way, things feel look or seem different now without

983
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: Jim Rsay and I you know, listen, in terms of

984
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: fan engagement, kind hearted connection, enthusiasm, all of those things

985
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: for Jim Rsay will be missed without question as a man,

986
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: but just in terms of the operative standpoint of things

987
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: and the way that things go. Do you think this

988
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: year we will see differences?

989
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 4: No, well, I don't think we're going to have that

990
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 4: sit down with Carley like we did with Jim every

991
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 4: you know whatever. It was a fifth or sixth day

992
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 4: of training camp when he comes out and golf cart.

993
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 4: We talked for We talked for twenty minutes and he

994
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: answers three questions because that's what that's that's twenty minutes

995
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: with Jim. I don't think we're going to have that.

996
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 4: I just don't think barring this team, this thing going

997
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: downhill real quick. I'm talking one in six. I just

998
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 4: don't see any way there's any changes people will notice.

999
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 4: I just don't uh. Things are in place and Carly

1000
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: and the daughters, the sisters, we'll allow it to play out. Barring,

1001
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 4: like I said, a catastrophes to start the season. Now,

1002
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 4: after the season, we'll see. But the changes that could

1003
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: have been made or whatever that time has passed, So

1004
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 4: I don't. I really don't think we're gonna see much.

1005
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 4: I just don't know that Carly is gonna be every

1006
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 4: two months or whatever three months getting together with the media.

1007
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: I just don't know that that's going to be part

1008
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 4: of her operations. I really don't. So beyond that, I

1009
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 4: just don't. And again, she's not gonna beet there throwing

1010
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 4: many footballs with one hundred dollars bills wrapped around him.

1011
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 4: That's where this time of the year was so cool

1012
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 4: with with with Jim, because he he understood more than

1013
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 4: anybody the importance of fan interaction interaction during this time.

1014
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 4: He knew that during the season, it's hard for people

1015
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 4: to spend four or five six hundred dollars to go

1016
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 4: to a game, but maybe it cost you five or

1017
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 4: ten bucks to go to Westfield and the players are accessible.

1018
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: He understood that, and not that Carly doesn't. I think

1019
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 4: this is this, this will be the operations moving forward.

1020
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 4: But he enjoyed going out there and signing autograss and

1021
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 4: waving the vands and throwing one hundred dollars bills. And

1022
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: we'll miss that. But I just don't think. Maybe I'm

1023
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 4: way wrong and I'm missing something, But I just don't

1024
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 4: know that there's an occasion to where Carl can put

1025
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: her fingerprints on their franchise in a public way. I

1026
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 4: just don't see it unless it comes time for a

1027
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 4: move because things aren't working out, and I don't foresee that.

1028
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Chap and I made this reference earlier.

1029
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: We kind of fans media whatever. And I'm not going

1030
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: to say people made fun of it, but you certainly

1031
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: saw people that kind of would raise the question of

1032
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: why is jim Mercey's daughter walking around with a headset on?

1033
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: Why is she carrying a clipboard on the headset? What's

1034
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: going on there? And people kind of rolled their eyes

1035
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: at it. But now that she is the one in charge,

1036
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: aren't you glad that that was taking place? Because this

1037
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: is not I think that there is a stereotype amongst

1038
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: billionaire families where the matriarch or the patriarch of the

1039
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: family passes and then suddenly the kids take over. And

1040
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: in the movies or in the Netflix shows when that happens,

1041
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: they airdrop some trust fund kid off of the ski

1042
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: slopes and aspen and now suddenly take over the company

1043
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: and the family business and there has to be some

1044
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: relief of knowing that there is a level of competence

1045
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: and understanding of the behind the scenes stuff because she's

1046
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: been preparing herself for this moment. And I think now

1047
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: we can look back on those things that people might

1048
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: have rolled their eyes at and say, I'm glad it

1049
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: went that way. You agree with that sentiment.

1050
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, So all they all have all free head in

1051
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 4: their own in their own lanes that they're at. But

1052
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: with her, she's really done exactly what her dad did.

1053
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 4: Remember how he started off. He did everything as a

1054
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 4: go for early on, and he learned, and that's how

1055
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 4: you do you learn. I don't think she's picked up

1056
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 4: jocks like Jim did. I hope she's not. But that's

1057
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 4: the way you you know, Reggie was Reggie Wayne told

1058
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 4: us how if she's in meetings, she's taking notes. He said,

1059
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 4: you better be ready to answer your questions if she's

1060
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 4: got them. So and it wasn't being meddling, it was

1061
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 4: learning and demanding that you learn. So everything that she done,

1062
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 4: I don't know that the local media rolled our eyes,

1063
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 4: but we noticed her. You know, you know, it's her

1064
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 4: on game that she's out there during practice when we're

1065
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 4: out there. She's out there, and she's paying attention, and

1066
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 4: like like on game day, she doesn't. I think her

1067
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 4: head sets one way, and I don't think she's sending

1068
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 4: messages to the coaches. But I do believe like on

1069
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 4: a Sunday or a Monday, whenever they talk, she would

1070
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 4: she would say maybe why.

1071
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 3: Did you do this?

1072
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 4: What were you thinking? And that's what that's what they

1073
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 4: should and not to be critical, but to say, you know, understand.

1074
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 4: So she's done on her dad did as far as

1075
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Speaker 4: learning as much as possible. Now, there will be moves

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Speaker 4: in the future where we scratch our head and say

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Speaker 4: why did you do that? It won't be because she

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Speaker 4: doesn't know what the hell she's doing. It won't be

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Speaker 4: because she she's prepared herself as much as possible for

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Speaker 4: every aspect of the job she has. Whether that's going

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Speaker 4: to be reinforcing the GM, the head coach player acquisition,

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Speaker 4: I don't know that she'll be noo. She'll have as

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Speaker 4: much input as Jim did because because that's her job

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Speaker 4: now to certainly I don't think to tell Chris Ballard,

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01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 4: hey let's go get this guy. But when he comes

1086
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 4: to say we're really interested in this guy that guy,

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 4: then she'll know first, she'll know who the hell it is,

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Speaker 4: and then she can offer some intelligent input on why

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Speaker 4: they should, why they shouldn't, what's the price is going

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Speaker 4: to be. So everything you said I agree with. And

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01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: she and her daughter sisters are as prepared as possible

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Speaker 4: for this transition because it's being going on for a while,

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Speaker 4: for a decade at least, and at a higher level

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01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,919
Speaker 4: over the past couple of years when Jim's not been

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Speaker 4: in the greatest of help.

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Speaker 1: Chap, let me ask you this as we head into camp,

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Speaker 1: and in conclusion, here Mike Chapel, our guest on the

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Speaker 1: wildly popular and always busy and available again to be

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01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: sponsored guest line, chap when you watch training camp, and

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Speaker 1: you've seen a lot of them, I want you to

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01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: kind of speak to colts fans that might be going

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01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: out and watching practice. And it is great that people

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01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: have the access to go out and watch practice, but

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01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: when you look at position battles or players that either

1105
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: camp is allowing them the opportunity to rise up and

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01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: cement a position on the team, or camp is all

1107
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden they fell short and it cost them

1108
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: a position on the team. What are you looking for?

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01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: What tells you, as the trained eye that has been

1110
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Speaker 1: through forty plus of these What little things, body, language wise,

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01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. Can you see on a field

1112
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: that tells you that a guy is having a good

1113
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: or a bad camp, aside from simply the guy next

1114
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: to him just ran faster and heeded well.

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Speaker 4: And as much as we think we know, keep in

1116
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 4: mind that ad Mitchell had a great training camp, a

1117
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 4: great training camp, and then not so much in the

1118
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 4: regular season. But where I really like to pay attention

1119
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 4: is and yes, we're going to be charting completions and

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01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:50,439
Speaker 4: incompletions by the quarterbacks because but if the fans get

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01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 4: a chance, go down in the middle of the two

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01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 4: feagles when they have the offensive line and defensive lines

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01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 4: going against each other the first chance, because in the

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 4: off season they don't. You're not hitting, You're not you know,

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 4: really really going to the hundred, you know, a full speed.

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01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 4: But go down and watch the pass rushers. Go down

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01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 4: and watch the a blitzing linebacker take on a running back.

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Speaker 4: That's where you really see. That's when we're gonna see

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01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 4: the offensive line. What have you got defensive line? You know,

1130
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 4: Samson ebucom wordsy Aden is returning. We owt to law

1131
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 4: to you. Is he gonna make that big jump? That's

1132
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 4: where you really see the spirited things. Offensive line, defensive line, Yes,

1133
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 4: receivers and dbs, Yes, running backs. That's really hard. You're

1134
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 4: gonna see Jonathan Taylor, you know, run through a tackle

1135
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 4: and go fifty yards and the fans go crazy and

1136
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 4: the linebacker says, I had him right here. We just

1137
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 4: can't tackle these guys. The area that's most enjoyable are

1138
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 4: our pass rushers interior and on the edge going against

1139
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 4: the offensive line. Those are the two bedrocks of a team.

1140
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 4: And it's really going to be cool to see how

1141
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 4: well the edge you guys are coming along and how

1142
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 4: well the offensive line with losing Kelly and Will Fryes adapts.

1143
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 4: This is the first chance to see the lineman really

1144
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 4: go at it. That's where you really see the sparks fly.

1145
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 3: Really.

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01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: The players will report tomorrow. Practice gets underway Wednesday at ten.

1147
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: Mike Chapel has been ready for it since like nineteen

1148
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: eighty four, so everything getting.

1149
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 4: Underway out You just keep stacking them.

1150
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: Listen, I got your gift, I got your gift, and

1151
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you on Wednesday. Chap. How's that?

1152
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 3: I hear that?

1153
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 4: Until I see it, I just I'll take your word.

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01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll present it to you on Wednesday,

1155
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: if I see out there, Chap. All right.

1156
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 4: On one thing, just for factual, rookies will start reporting today.

1157
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 4: Rookies today, everybody tomorrow on first practice on Wednesday, So

1158
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 4: first access for fans is Wednesday.

1159
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 1: Wednesday, ten o'clock practice gets underway, first ball. A snap

1160
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: appreciated Chapel talk every year here all right, Thank Mike Chapel,

1161
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: CBS four WXI in Fox fifty nine where you can

1162
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: see and hear all of his coverage when it comes

1163
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: to the colts camp taking place. A lot going on

1164
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: on the sports calendar. We mentioned that Bob Hamil passed away.

1165
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: Pat Knight going to join us just a couple of

1166
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: minutes from now to give his reflections and recollections on

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01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: Bob Hamill and his relationship with Pat's father.

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01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: Bob.

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01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: Also, keep in mind that this is the week of

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01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: the Brickyard four hundred. You've been hearing us talk a

1171
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: lot about it, and when you think about that, I

1172
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: watched yesterday the end of the race in Dover and

1173
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: saw Denny Hamlin winning in that race in double overtime,

1174
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: and started thinking about the fact that that race had

1175
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: a rain delay and then you come back and you've

1176
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: got to finish strong, as Denny Hamlin did. That's his

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01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: fourth win now so far in the year. I'm looking

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: at Kyle Larson, a guy that we know what the

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01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Motor Speedway means to him, and then I think

1180
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: about the rate drivers that have led the Brickyard four

1181
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: hundred and had it get away from them. Dale Earnhardt Junior,

1182
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: for that matter, a race where I remember one year

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01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: where he was leading and then his engine goes away

1184
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: and suddenly victory does as well. And I thought about

1185
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: the fact that when it comes to practice, it comes

1186
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 1: to qualifying, and it comes to auto racing in general,

1187
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: whether we're talking about CUPP or you're talking about Indiecarb

1188
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: with pot of award getting and went over the weekend,

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01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: those drivers, those teams ought to make sure that their

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: engine is running exactly as it needs to. So much

1191
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: work goes into engine replacements and checking it and win

1192
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: tunnel testing and telemetry and all of that. And it

1193
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: would be crazy to think that any driver would go

1194
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: into a race weekend without knowing every single finite aspect

1195
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: of the engine, the car and just how it's going

1196
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 1: to perform. And if you're going out to the race itself,

1197
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: you know that you appreciate that, and it's part of

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01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: what captivates us towards racing is watching and making sure

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Speaker 1: that everything is so fine tuned exactly where it needs

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: to be. So why would you not treat the most

1201
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: important engine within you as the same, Which is why

1202
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: I think it's so important to get that forty nine

1203
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: dollars heart scan from Franciscan Health. And you hear me

1204
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: talking about it, just forty nine dollars not invasive, It

1205
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: is very simple. You can pay out a pocket. Franciscan

1206
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: Health will do the heart scan to let you know

1207
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: exactly your heart score and where things stand in terms

1208
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: of your the calcium build up within your heart, and

1209
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: you get a heart health risk assessment with that to

1210
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: give you the roadmap to make sure that you are

1211
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: going on about your life and your business making sure

1212
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: that in fact, every single piston is firing exactly as

1213
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: it needs to be, and that your engine is running

1214
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: for each and every the race of each and every day.

1215
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: It is so important to do. Franciscan Health is the

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Speaker 1: place to do it. Just forty nine dollars forty nine

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Speaker 1: dollars for a heart scan from Franciscan Health. Franciscan Health

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: Heart Center offers the forty nine dollars heart scan to

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: keep you running at the maximum performance. You can always

1220
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: google Franciscan Health Heart Scan to find out more. Halfway

1221
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 1: through the program here on on a Monday, Jay query

1222
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison here as well, joining us now in the program.

1223
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: He is the head basketball coach of the Mary and Knights,

1224
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: and as we have been talking about and a few

1225
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: occasions today, reflecting upon the life and career of Bob Hamil,

1226
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 1: I figured that Pat Knight would be able to share

1227
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: his thoughts on it because, and Pat, you tell me

1228
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong in this. I don't know what your

1229
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: relationship was with Bob Hamill growing up, but I know

1230
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,839
Speaker 1: what Bob Hamill meant to your father and that working

1231
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: relationship that became a friendship between the two of them.

1232
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: And my initial thought was I wonder if Pat almost

1233
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: saw Bob as like an uncle type figure. But thanks

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01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 1: for joining us, and just wanted to give you the

1235
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 1: chance to kind of expand upon what relationship you might

1236
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 1: have had with Bob Hamil.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, the one thing you always got to remember,

1238
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 5: your dad's friends are not necessarily your friends, right, especially

1239
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 5: when he got a famous dad.

1240
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 3: I mean you find out quick.

1241
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 5: You know, you don't hear from guys man. You know

1242
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 5: that bothered you always calling it because they couldn't get

1243
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 5: a hold of your dad. But you know, mister Hamil though,

1244
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 5: it was like one of my dad's true friends. You know,

1245
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 5: my dad always had a saying and I'll clean it up,

1246
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 5: get them all but six, and it has to do

1247
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 5: with really your six best friends are going to be

1248
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 5: your pall bear, and mister Hamil would have been one

1249
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 5: of those. You know, he's one of those type guys

1250
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 5: with my dad and you know my relationship now. He's

1251
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 5: always great to me. You know, his son Babysip, sat

1252
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 5: my brother and I. His son Rick, who's a doctor,

1253
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 5: babysatus when we're kids. He worked my dad's camps. He

1254
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 5: actually took me to Star Wars. I had to sit

1255
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 5: on Rick's lap to see Star Wars when it was

1256
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 5: at the Vonley Theater in Bloomington in like nineteen seventy seven,

1257
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 5: and so you know, I've known the Hammils, you know,

1258
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 5: my whole life. And but but then, you know, I

1259
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 5: didn't say him for a long time. Then when we

1260
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 5: brought Coach back to live in Blowington, you know, four

1261
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 5: or five years before he passed, it was great to

1262
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 5: see mister Hamill again because he's always coming in and

1263
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 5: every week having dinner with my dad and checking up

1264
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 5: on him. But from my standpoint, just I don't know

1265
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 5: if my dad had a better friend, you know, just

1266
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 5: because you know, mister Hamill could kind of tell my

1267
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 5: dad's stuff that other people would be scared to tell them.

1268
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 5: But just their love for sports. I mean, you talk

1269
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 5: about two guys and they could sit down and talk

1270
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 5: about baseball, football, basketball. I mean it didn't matter.

1271
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Speaker 3: Most of the time.

1272
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Speaker 5: They didn't even talk about Indiana basketball. I mean, it's

1273
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 5: usually you know, my dad was a huge Yankees fan.

1274
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 5: Mister Hamil's a Chicago White Sox fan. I mean, even

1275
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 5: towards the end, even with my dad's Alzheimer's, he'd remember

1276
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 5: that he'd always wear his Yankees cap when mister Hamill

1277
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 5: would come visit.

1278
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 3: And so it was just a great friend.

1279
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 5: Of my dad and help my dad a lot, you know,

1280
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 5: just through his whole life, just being one of those

1281
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 5: guys my dad.

1282
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 3: Could talk to.

1283
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 5: He would never take anything personal, just kind of knew

1284
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 5: how to handle my dad's temperament.

1285
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: What do you think it was pat that allowed you know,

1286
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Speaker 1: I mean your father in particular. So Bob Hamil arrived

1287
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Speaker 1: at Bloomington in nineteen sixty six, He grew up in Huntington,

1288
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: wrote for the Huntington newspaper and then came to the

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Speaker 1: Bloomington Harold Telephone now the Harald Times. What do you

1290
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: think it was that allowed your dad? I guess to

1291
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: trust him and let him in because you know, while

1292
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: I did not know your father well obviously, I think

1293
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: everybody knows that he didn't let a lot of people

1294
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: in that inner circle. What do you think was the

1295
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: source of the mutual respect between the two.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, talking to mister Hamill, especially these last

1297
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 5: few years, you know, when he'd come and check on

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01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 5: my dad, we talked about it. So, you know, mister

1299
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 5: Hamill's brother was a really good high school coach, and

1300
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 5: when my dad got the job, his brother actually like

1301
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 5: called him up and said, Hey, this guy's gonna be

1302
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 5: great for Indiana. You know, I look what he's done

1303
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 5: at West Point. We're finally going to play defense. Well,

1304
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 5: mister Hamill wrote a skating article how my dad was

1305
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 5: going to be awfuled Indiana. No one was going to

1306
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 5: like the defense to love scoring games. And so they

1307
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 5: actually ended up at the same gas station.

1308
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 3: Pumping gas for their cars.

1309
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 5: And of course mister Hamil's like, can I look over

1310
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 5: there and there's your dad, And I'm like, oh boy.

1311
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 3: And so of course my dad gave him, you know,

1312
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 3: a little heck.

1313
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 5: And but mister Hamill kind of apologized and said, hey,

1314
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 5: this is that was just my my feelings, blah blah blah.

1315
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 5: And you know, miss Hamilton, he was just upfront with them,

1316
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 5: you know. And and my dad was just like, hey,

1317
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 5: you know what, when we do a real interview, I'll

1318
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 5: come pick you up and bring you know, bring you

1319
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 5: by the office and listen, sit down. So mister Hamilt,

1320
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 5: thank it was just being honest. Even though he wrote

1321
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 5: a skating arracle. He just told him the reasons why

1322
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 5: he wrote it, what his feelings were. But you know,

1323
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 5: he'd like to know why my dad thinks his style

1324
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 5: would work. And so I think you know talking mister Hamil,

1325
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 5: it is, this is honest, and you know he one

1326
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 5: lit favoritism. I mean there's other stories like in seventy

1327
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 5: seven he wrote an oracle. You know, guys were transferring,

1328
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 5: they didn't finish, you know, had a down year after

1329
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 5: going on the feed in seventy six, and my dad

1330
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 5: called him like, hey, I thought we were friends, and

1331
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 5: you know, mister Hamil is like, we are, but I

1332
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 5: have a job to do. So I think my dad

1333
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 5: always appreciated that, you know, if you were honest with

1334
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 5: him and up front and didn't sugarcoat thanks. And I

1335
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 5: think that's what got their relationship off to a great start.

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Speaker 6: Pat.

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Speaker 1: I had once heard Pat Knight, our guest, the head

1338
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: basketball coach at Marion. I had once heard that when

1339
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 1: Woody Hayes was fired from Ohio State for punching Charlie

1340
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: Bauman after the Gator Bowl, you know with Clemson, that

1341
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: it was your dad, Bob Knight, that called Woody Hayes

1342
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: and said, look, you've got to back down from this,

1343
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: like you can't. You've got to apologize to the kid.

1344
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: You've got to make amends here. And that that and

1345
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if that story is embellished or if

1346
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: that was accurate, that it was Bob Knight that called

1347
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: Woody Hayes. But either way, I'm curious. Do you think

1348
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: there were ever occasions where your dad may have crossed

1349
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 1: the line or aired and Bob Hamil was the one

1350
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: that spoke to him. Well, but well, I'm saying we

1351
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: know that there were times he crossed the liner air,

1352
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 1: but were there times where Bob Hamil was the one

1353
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: that maybe was the one that had the ability to say, Bob,

1354
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: you've got to you've got to walk this back.

1355
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, definitely.

1356
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 5: That's why I was talking about, like, you know, the

1357
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 5: Six Paul Bears. He was one of those guys and

1358
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 5: he could take it. You know, he'd gotten kicked out

1359
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 5: of the office of locker room, but you know knew

1360
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 5: he was going to get a phone call later, you

1361
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 5: know if coach is wrong and apologized. But he was

1362
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 5: one of those few guys that could kind of you know,

1363
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 5: you may want to say, think about this, you know,

1364
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 5: and that story is true about Coach is by the way,

1365
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 5: but uh yeah, mister Hamill is always one of those

1366
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 5: guys that, you know, when the craft would hit the fan,

1367
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 5: you know, it was coach. It wouldn't even have to

1368
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 5: be on the basketball court, you know, just you know,

1369
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 5: if he was upset with somebody or did something. Yeah,

1370
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 5: mister Hamill is always one of those guys that you know,

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Speaker 5: could kind of tell him.

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Speaker 3: In a good way, knew how to approach it. But

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Speaker 3: then he didn't.

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Speaker 5: But he knew that, you know, the messenger could get

1375
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 5: killed at times, and but it never bothered him, never

1376
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 5: held a grudge or anything because he knew deep down,

1377
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 5: you know, my dad loved him, and you know, eventually

1378
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 5: it may take a couple of good days. If my

1379
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 5: dad was wrong, he would either stop by or call

1380
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 5: him up. And uh, but that was a great thing

1381
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 5: about that relationship to have a guy like that and

1382
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 5: not one of your assistants, not you know, an athletic director.

1383
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 5: You know, mister Hamil was a writer and just a

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01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 5: guy kind of on the outside looking in. And so

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01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 5: I think my dad could even trust him even more

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01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 5: from that standpoint, because you know, he didn't work for

1387
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 5: the university one on his staff and so mister Hamill

1388
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,839
Speaker 5: won a yes man. And so yeah, I think that's

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01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 5: a good question, and you hit it right of than those. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: mister Hamil is one of those few people you know

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01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 5: that could really, you know, have those conversations with my dad.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, by the way, and I did not know

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01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: that maybe I should have done this. I did not

1394
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: know that your father, Bob Knight, was a big Yankees fan.

1395
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 1: I would have assumed a Cardinals fan because of his

1396
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: relationship with Larusa, or even a Red Sox fan because

1397
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: of his admiration for Ted Williams. But when you were

1398
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 1: growing up, one thing I don't recall you mentioning much

1399
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: was baseball itself. Did you have a baseball team growing up?

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01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so my dad, so the Reds were our team

1401
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 5: growing up.

1402
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 3: I was bat boy for the Reds.

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01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 5: We'd go down to Tampa Bay, stay at the Reds Hotel.

1404
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 5: We were really close to Sparky Anderson, the big red machine.

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01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1406
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 5: I was only like five six years old, but I

1407
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 5: used Pete Pete Rose gave me his glove. My brother

1408
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 5: and I his glove down at spring training. And I

1409
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 5: actually used Pete rose glove for my whole baseball career.

1410
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 5: Everyone thought I was full of it because they had

1411
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 5: fourteen on the thumb and rose across the knuckles.

1412
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 3: Everyone thought I took a.

1413
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 5: Sharpie and did that, but it's actually Pete Rose's real glove.

1414
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 5: And so the Reds were our team, and then of

1415
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 5: course my dad and the Cardinals we went over all

1416
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 5: the time, and LaRussa was there. But for him though,

1417
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 5: as a kid, it was always the Yankees through his

1418
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 5: whole life. And then you know, he got to have

1419
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 5: a great relationship with George Steinbrenner, and so his mom

1420
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 5: was a big Cleveland Indians fan being there in Ohio.

1421
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 5: But my dad, for some reason just you know, it

1422
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 5: was probably because they were so good. Grew up just

1423
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 5: loving all the Yankees, and but when it came to

1424
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 5: us growing up, that was the time he got to

1425
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 5: know Sparky Anderson. So we were around the Reds a

1426
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 5: lot when I was growing up, So that was my team.

1427
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 5: But my dad always had that love for the Yankees though,

1428
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 5: and so it's funny, you know, he and Hammill, even

1429
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 5: my dad towards the end with the Alzheimer's, we could

1430
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 5: get him going when it came to the Yankees and

1431
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 5: the White Sox, and coach would put that hat on

1432
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 5: when he knew mister Hamill was coming over. And uh,

1433
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 5: but as one of the ways. You know, if he's

1434
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 5: the one that having one of those.

1435
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 3: Bad days, weren't talking a lot, we.

1436
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 5: Could always get him going with something when it came

1437
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:24,759
Speaker 5: to baseball.

1438
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: And then what about from an NFL standpoint, I mean,

1439
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: you and I grew up in an era where there

1440
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: was no NFL team for the better part of our childhood.

1441
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 1: Did you have an NFL team growing up?

1442
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 5: The Bengals. Yep, Cincinnati was because it's it's close by.

1443
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 5: I actually got to tell my wife because we got

1444
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 5: tickets to go to the Bengals Lions, uh in October.

1445
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 3: And I grew up.

1446
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 5: I actually got my dad got me a Bengals helmet

1447
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 5: as a little kid for Christmas. So it was the

1448
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 5: Bengals and the Reds when I was growing up.

1449
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 1: I would have thought he would have been your dad,

1450
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 1: a Browns fan, just growing up in the proximity to Cleveland,

1451
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: how big the Browns were, especially in that era.

1452
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 5: He was, uh, well, for some reason when we got

1453
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 5: to Bloomington, everything was the Reds and the Mangles. But

1454
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 5: you know he has great stories of you know, meeting

1455
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 5: Coach Brown and and you know Hablecheck. No one knows

1456
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 5: this Haplecheck was going to play for the Browns because

1457
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 5: right Orbach was so cheap with his contracts.

1458
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 3: My dad actually went down to.

1459
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 5: Training camp when Habilcheck was trying out for the Browns

1460
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 5: and actually convinced him to sign the contract with the Celtics.

1461
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 5: And so, but it's kind of funny. I don't know

1462
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 5: what happened with my dad kind of leaving Ohio, kind

1463
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 5: of left the Cleveland teams behind.

1464
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 3: And growing up is always the Cincinnati days.

1465
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: You know, Pat, you should do you should have a

1466
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,719
Speaker 1: radio show. You should just do three hours of story

1467
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: time with that night. I'll take come in here and

1468
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 1: just do it for three hours maybe.

1469
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 5: If I have a job, right, you know, I got

1470
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:00,759
Speaker 5: where I don't to be careful.

1471
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing. And I'm impressed by this,

1472
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: And this is a sign of your maturation, which is impressive.

1473
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what, fifteen eighteen minutes here and this

1474
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: time no swearing, which is impressive, right.

1475
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 3: I promise you.

1476
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: I mean he practice makes perfect, right.

1477
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 5: But I got a great handl story that honest God.

1478
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 5: So you've seen coaches out takes, the golf out takes.

1479
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course.

1480
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 5: So we were talking and this is just you know

1481
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 5: it was a few months before like coach passed and

1482
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 5: we were talking about the golf out takes and I

1483
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 5: was telling my stories about you know clubs and the

1484
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 5: I mean clubs in the lakes, up in the trees.

1485
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 5: And so that day when Coach picked him up to

1486
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 5: do their first like real interview, they stopped off at

1487
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 5: the IU course and they got out of the car

1488
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 5: and mister Hamill is like, you know what we're doing

1489
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:59,560
Speaker 5: and my Dad's like, hey, just walk with me. So

1490
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 5: they went to this one hole and my dad went

1491
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 5: in the woods started climbing up the tree.

1492
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1493
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 5: Mister Hamil's like what are you doing. He's like, why

1494
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 5: chew my putter up here the other day? And he

1495
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 5: got stuck in the tree. My dad climbed up the

1496
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 5: tree and mister Hamil said, right when he got up

1497
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 5: to the limb, the girls golf team started coming through.

1498
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 5: And so my dad was so embarrassed. He didn't want

1499
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 5: the girls golf team to see the brand new basketball

1500
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 5: coach up in the tree looking for his putter. Mister

1501
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 5: Hamil said, he clung to that tree. Why, Like four

1502
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 5: foursomes of girls went through and mister Hamil said, mister

1503
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 5: Hamil said, he just acted like he was going for

1504
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 5: like a morning walk, you know, And he said, no,

1505
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 5: I mean, I'd never even heard that story before. And

1506
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 5: he said, my dad clung to life, didn't say a word,

1507
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 5: and like four foursomes of the girls went through and

1508
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 5: never knew that the new basketball coach is up in

1509
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 5: the tree getting this putter.

1510
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: If you had to guess, was that the only time

1511
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 1: he ever had to go up in a tree and

1512
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: get his putter?

1513
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 5: Oh no, but you got to he'd send my brother

1514
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 5: the woods, the ponds, I mean, and not just the club.

1515
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 5: I mean there were times where the whole bag went

1516
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 5: into the water.

1517
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: I do remember, and I'm not just making this up

1518
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: for the sake of a radio show. The one thing

1519
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: I remember when it comes to golf is during the

1520
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 1: time that we were in college together, you one day

1521
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: said you were going to go golfing with your dad.

1522
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: It was in the off season, and you were back

1523
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: home like forty five minutes later, and we're like, I

1524
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: thought you were golfing today, and you said, yeah, my

1525
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 1: dad had like a rough second hole, and that was

1526
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: the end of it. That we did not play a team.

1527
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 7: Bro.

1528
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 3: You got ask Brian Evans.

1529
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 5: We went to Portugal to play this. When we're at tech,

1530
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 5: we take these. We go to Ireland and Scotland to

1531
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 5: play golf with a big group of guys.

1532
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 3: Brian Evans was on the trip until the last day.

1533
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 3: We got to play with Coach.

1534
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 5: And I mean he first hole, shanks a shot and

1535
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 5: he takes his iron and it's like he's cutting a tree,

1536
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 5: cutting down a tree his golf bag with his iron. Well,

1537
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 5: we get to the next hole, he pulls his driver out.

1538
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 5: Half the driver comes out. He had broken all his

1539
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 5: clubs by hammering. So he had to borrow Brian Evans

1540
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 5: and Mine's clubs for the next seventeen holes because he

1541
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 5: totally cut all his clubs in half from one bad

1542
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 5: shot on the first hole.

1543
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed as though, you know that the temper

1544
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 1: was fairly famous. I mean, let's be honest with the temple.

1545
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 5: But I think that's another thing that what he and

1546
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 5: mister Hamil relationship was so good. Now, mister Hamill won

1547
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 5: an outdoors men, so he didn't go fishing with the coach,

1548
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 5: he didn't go golfing. I mean their time spent together

1549
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 5: was this, you know, two guys hanging out telling stories

1550
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 5: and talking about sports, and so I think that even

1551
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 5: helped their relationship more that you know, mister Hamill didn't

1552
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 5: have to play golf with them, or tennis or or

1553
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 5: go fishing with us.

1554
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: Marion basketball will be in season before we know it.

1555
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 1: That Night Head coach and Pat. I certainly appreciate the

1556
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: time today, great stories as always, and your reflection on

1557
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: Bob Hammel as well, and look forward to having you

1558
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: back on to talk about everything you got going on

1559
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: with the Night's basketball program, which will be here before

1560
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: we know it.

1561
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys, have a good one all.

1562
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it Pat Night joining us on the program.

1563
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: We'll take a break, we'll talk a little bit more

1564
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: about Colts camp as well. JJ stankovits going to join

1565
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: us talking about the article that he has up for

1566
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: the Colts. This is Carli Ers Gordon's vision for the Colts.

1567
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 1: We will get into that coming up in just under ten.

1568
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: Colts Rookies report today. Veterans tomorrow practice getting underway, the

1569
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: first one at Grand Park ten o'clock on Wednesday. That

1570
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,839
Speaker 1: holds true for Thursday as well, ten until eleven o'clock

1571
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 1: in the morning. Practice then Friday from ten until eleven

1572
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: fifteen at Grand Park. Jjstankovitz of Colts dot com has

1573
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 1: a column up after a long discussion interview, I guess

1574
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: a glimpse into carli ers Gordon and exactly what carli

1575
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 1: Ersa Gordon now with the unfortunate passing of her father,

1576
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 1: but now becoming Even though all three of Jim Hersey's

1577
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: daughters will entitle be listed as the directors or the

1578
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: top brass for the Colts organization, carli Ersa Gordon is

1579
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 1: ultimately the one of the three, I think where the

1580
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: buck stops. But as the owner and CEO by title,

1581
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: carli Ers Gordon with the article this is carli Ersa

1582
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:35,800
Speaker 1: Gordon's vision for the Colts. JJ wroate it joins us. Now, JJ,

1583
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: let's begin with this. When you were preparing this particular story,

1584
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 1: and I want to be you know, clear here to

1585
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: offer for you, I guess the you know, this is

1586
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: a situation where you're writing an article about and illuminating

1587
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: the storyline of the person who is your boss, you

1588
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 1: know when it all comes down to it, so that

1589
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 1: there has to be a delicate balance there. But what

1590
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: did you learn when you were undergoing the process of

1591
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: just kind of letting colts fans know exactly the vision

1592
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: of leadership at this point.

1593
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 7: You know, what I learned was the amount of time

1594
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 7: and thought and energy that Carly has put into this,

1595
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 7: you know, taking over ownership and handem with her sisters.

1596
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 3: For her dad.

1597
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: It really is a mess.

1598
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 7: And you know, even in a you know, two hour

1599
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 7: conversation I had with her, I still I probably didn't

1600
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 7: get the whole scope of everything that she has done

1601
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 7: to prepare for this. And the thing that I wanted

1602
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 7: to come through in the article, Jake was, you know,

1603
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 7: I've talked with Carly before, and all my conversations with

1604
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 7: her are very interesting. I really enjoy them. I think

1605
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 7: she's a very thoughtful person. What I wanted to come

1606
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 7: through in the article was just she has put a

1607
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 7: a tremendous amount of work into this moment, and you know,

1608
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 7: I think, like the question I've been getting from a

1609
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 7: lot of people is like, you know, well, how's it

1610
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 7: going to be with you know, the daughters taking over

1611
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 7: for their dad? And what I've told them, and what

1612
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 7: I wanted to get through in this article was like,

1613
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 7: it's not like, you know, their dad passed away and

1614
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 7: no one had any involvement in the organization, or they

1615
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 7: were sort of nominally involved and you know, they were here,

1616
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 7: but they weren't really doing a whole lot. It's like, no,

1617
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 7: they've been involved, and they have really applied themselves into

1618
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,600
Speaker 7: certain areas of the organization, and Carly applying herself to

1619
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 7: learn as much about football as possible, which really is

1620
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 7: in the kind of in the vein of what her

1621
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 7: dad did. Where you know, Jim he when the team

1622
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 7: moved from Baltimore to Indianapolis, his dad said, Okay, you're

1623
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 7: the GM now, or any of CARSI resigned, You're the GM.

1624
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 7: And he was in that role for ten years and

1625
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 7: he learned a lot about football through that. And I

1626
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 7: think Carly over the last probably twelve thirty fourteen, fifteen

1627
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 7: years has had kind of a fuller education in the sport.

1628
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 7: And what I think that allows her to do is

1629
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 7: to operate an antol franchise with certain guardrails that come

1630
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 7: from her knowledge of football, which I think is a

1631
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 7: big positive for an organization to have that in ownership,

1632
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 7: you know, to again kind of set those guardrails and

1633
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 7: lay the tracks and the vision for what the organization

1634
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 7: is going to feel like without meddling or you know,

1635
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 7: criticizing I guess like unfairly certain aspects of it that if.

1636
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 3: That makes sense, j J.

1637
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: One of the things that and I'm this is a reality, okay,

1638
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to be naive to realities. Okay,

1639
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 1: there probably is a reality. I don't I don't think

1640
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: amongst all, and I certainly don't think it's probably to

1641
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: the number that it was, say thirty years ago. But

1642
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: the reality is that there are those those that are

1643
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 1: going to say, like, well, you know, a female owner

1644
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: in sport, I mean that alone is obviously somewhat unique,

1645
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: but a female owner within the NFL, and then on

1646
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: top of that, one that inherited the ownership just through

1647
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: familial tie as opposed to you know, having a business

1648
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: empire elsewhere. Those are two things that, albeit unfairly, are

1649
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 1: going to be assumptions or stereotypes that are placed thereof

1650
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 1: from the outside. Do you think that she is aware

1651
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: of that or even you know what I mean, gets

1652
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 1: caught up in that noise.

1653
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 7: I think, you know, sitting here as a man, I

1654
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 7: would probably I would have to just guess that you

1655
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 7: can't not be aware of it. As a woman in

1656
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 7: football circles, right, but she has done a very intentional

1657
01:31:56,280 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 7: job of, you know, belonging in those environments. And I mean, look'

1658
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 7: to kind of your larger point about you know it is,

1659
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 7: you know, I would assume most ownership groups and most

1660
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 7: principal owners are men. But a team right now in

1661
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 7: the NFL that is viewed as a model franchise and

1662
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 7: how they've built things is the Detroit Lions, whose principal owner,

1663
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 7: Sheila Ford hamp is a woman who inherited the team.

1664
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 7: So I don't think that is at all a you know,

1665
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 7: I think some people might be biased, but there is

1666
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 7: a direct example five hours to the north of us

1667
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:40,759
Speaker 7: of how a woman run franchise can operate incredibly well

1668
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 7: and incredibly successfully. So, you know, and that's not to

1669
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 7: say anything of you know, anything else about the Lions

1670
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 7: or you know what with the cult situation. But look,

1671
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 7: I mean, car Carly knows a lot about football, she

1672
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 7: knows a lot about leadership, she knows a lot about people,

1673
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 7: and those three things lend themselves very well to the

1674
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 7: direction the franchise. An NFL franchise can take under ownership,

1675
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 7: whether that owner is a man or a woman.

1676
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Do you get the impression JJ JJ Stekovic is our

1677
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: guest Colts dot Com. We're talking about uh and we'll

1678
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 1: shift into just a second from now the fact that

1679
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: the Colts training camp is getting underway. But Carli ers Gordon,

1680
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,560
Speaker 1: that is the lead story right now on the website

1681
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 1: and in talking to her or her sisters, you know,

1682
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: any of the three of them. And I don't know

1683
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 1: this answer. Clearly they grew up around football, but did

1684
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: they did they grow up as big football fans or

1685
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: is it something that you know, it was just more

1686
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: the business aspect that was of interest to them.

1687
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:42,680
Speaker 3: No.

1688
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 7: I mean, they are all very knowledgeable about football, and

1689
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 7: the history of this organization means a great deal to them.

1690
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 3: You know.

1691
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 7: One of the things that did make the article was,

1692
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 7: you know, Carly. Carly was talking about Dwight Spreeeney's Hall

1693
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 7: of Fame. It was his Hall of Fame induction weekend

1694
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 7: and the kind of you know party they had there,

1695
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 7: and she something she mentioned was, you know, I wish

1696
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 7: you could just bottle up the vibe in that room

1697
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 7: and you know, kind of present it because she was like,

1698
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 7: no one in that room was talking about you know,

1699
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 7: how shiny the trophy they all won was they were

1700
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 7: all talking about what it took to get there. And

1701
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 7: you know, look, another part of it was, I think

1702
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 7: it was at the Super Bowl year where you know,

1703
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 7: mister Rsay was very intentional about involving his daughters within

1704
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 7: team events, within team things. When you know, back then,

1705
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 7: I think Carly would have been in an early twenty

1706
01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 7: Casey would have been maybe late teams. Caln would have

1707
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 7: been a team. I don't you know know off the

1708
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,639
Speaker 7: top of my head on that, but you know, they're

1709
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 7: all very involved and I think they all very much

1710
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 7: took after their dad in terms of not just being

1711
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 7: you know, involved in the business side, but if our

1712
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 7: if our family business is football, you know, we also

1713
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 7: really like football. And I think you couldn't spend five

1714
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 7: minutes talking to Carly without understanding she loves football. She

1715
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 7: is a football junkie. She can get as deep in

1716
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 7: the weeds as anyone when it comes to talk and ball,

1717
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 7: and you know that that is really cool. She's a

1718
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 7: very curious person when it comes to the sport and

1719
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 7: because of that she has learned a lot and really,

1720
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 7: uh you know, really enjoys the intricacies of the game,

1721
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 7: and you know, the conversation she's had with you know,

1722
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 7: coaches who have been in this building about how do

1723
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 7: you know, how do you coach a cover two versus

1724
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 7: you know, an inverted cover two? And certain you know,

1725
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 7: deep in the weeds details like she has that because

1726
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 7: she wants to learn and she definitely loves the sports.

1727
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1728
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: One of the things I thought was interesting JJ in

1729
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 1: your column is the quote and I'm not sure when

1730
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 1: and where exactly she had said it, but when talking

1731
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 1: about Anthony Richards, and maybe it was to you specifically,

1732
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 1: but the quote where she basically said, and I'm paraphrasing,

1733
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, there is still time for him to to

1734
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: learn everything that goes into being a starting quarterback in

1735
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: the NFL. Is there a little bit of like a

1736
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 1: desired motivation or push that comes with that quote?

1737
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 7: No, that I included that quote because it came at

1738
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 7: the end of the section about you know, her kind

1739
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 7: of talking about process and how you know, as an

1740
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 7: owner you have to have a very a very broad

1741
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 7: horizon to you know, look at things, and you know,

1742
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 7: as part of that she did say, you know that

1743
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 7: there we still have time with Anthony, but competition is

1744
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 7: key and you know, nothing brings out the best and

1745
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:43,759
Speaker 7: someone like this, you know, having a sense of urgency,

1746
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 7: you know. And I included that actually after she was

1747
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 7: talking about you know, Grover Stewart and Nick Cross and

1748
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 7: their developmental you know, curve. And I just think it

1749
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 7: was important because that's what she said in the article

1750
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 7: is exactly how the Colts have operated this off season.

1751
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 7: It's not like they they have thrown Anthony Richardson into

1752
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,960
Speaker 7: the number three spot or even the number two spot

1753
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 7: right now in the quarterback depth chart. It's been we're

1754
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 7: bringing in Daniel Jones to compete. We still believe in Anthony.

1755
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 7: We think Daniel Jones has something he can bring to

1756
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 7: this team. And at no point has Shane Styken or

1757
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard and said we've given up on Anthony Richardson

1758
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 7: and Carli urthe Gordon Buttress bat by saying there's still time.

1759
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 7: Everything that Chris Ballard and Shane Styken has said this

1760
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 7: off season has been aligned with what she said in

1761
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 7: the article. So I under you know, I wanted to

1762
01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 7: put it in there because I thought it was important

1763
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,639
Speaker 7: for fans to hear what she had to say about

1764
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 7: that situation. But it also came in the larger context

1765
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 7: of having a process and you know, telling that fine

1766
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 7: line between being patient but not being too patient, or

1767
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 7: you know, being reactionary but not being over reactionary, you know,

1768
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 7: when it comes to the issues of thinking organization. So yeah,

1769
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 7: but again, Jake, it really was aligned with everything else

1770
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,719
Speaker 7: that we have heard from the coach and the GM

1771
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 7: of the football team this offseason.

1772
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: Jj, do we know you know, one of the favorite

1773
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: things JJ Stankovic is our guest from Colts dot com.

1774
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: Colts again, Rookies reporting today, Veterans tomorrow, and then practice

1775
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: gets under a Wednesday ten o'clock in the morning from

1776
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: ten until eleven. That same schedule Thursday and Friday, Friday

1777
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 1: goes until eleven fifteen. You know, one of the things

1778
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: I think that fans most enjoyed about training camp was,

1779
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: in fact, the Jim Mersey access. The fact that he

1780
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 1: was out there, he would you know, fans could talk

1781
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 1: to him. Also the fact that he would answer a

1782
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 1: lot of questions to the media, you know at some

1783
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: point during camp and just kind of give almost like

1784
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: a state of the Union type thing. Do we anticipate

1785
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 1: that that continues?

1786
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 7: You know, I don't know that that that's you know,

1787
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 7: probably above my pay grade here. But you know, I

1788
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 7: do like the press conference that currently Arsa, Gordon Casey

1789
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 7: Foyt and Kaylen Jackson had back in June. You know,

1790
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 7: they they answered plenty of questions. I thought they all were,

1791
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 7: you know, very impressive in that press conference. I don't

1792
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 7: know what it will look like, and that's kind of

1793
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 7: about all I can I can, I can you know,

1794
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 7: answer you on that one, Jake JJ.

1795
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 1: In terms of the I guess camp itself, the biggest

1796
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 1: storyline to you of intrigue, not including the quarterback position,

1797
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: would be what.

1798
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you, because I was like, if you ask

1799
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 7: me the biggest storyline, you know, you know what it is.

1800
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 1: Of course for me.

1801
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 7: I I'm really interested in how the defense comes together.

1802
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 7: If you look at what lou An Riumo had in

1803
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 7: Cincinnati when those defenses were good back in twenty twenty

1804
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 7: one and twenty twenty two, it was a lot of veterans,

1805
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,839
Speaker 7: a lot of veterans in the back end of that defense.

1806
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 7: You know, you look at von Bell and Jesse Bates

1807
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 7: at safety, Chindobia Wuzier at cornerback, and I think what

1808
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 7: you look at what this Colts defense has in the

1809
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 7: back end are a lot of veterans and a lot

1810
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:09,879
Speaker 7: of guys who I think it's the way lou Aroumo

1811
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 7: wants to play defense. And that's not just Tarvarius Ward

1812
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:15,719
Speaker 7: and Cambinenen who came in stof season very obviously targeted moves,

1813
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 7: but you know, Kenny Moore has inside outside flexibility. You know,

1814
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 7: Nick Cross really came on last year in a really

1815
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 7: impressive way. I think there's some really interesting stuff that

1816
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 7: lou Aroumo can do with those guys in the back end.

1817
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 7: And then do we see more blitzes? You know, Louenarumo

1818
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 7: is a guy who isn't you know, we're not talking

1819
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 7: about Brian flora is here or you know Link Martindale,

1820
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 7: but a guy who is going to blitz more than

1821
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 7: Gus Bradley did. And how do how do those blitzes look?

1822
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 7: How does the personnel upfront look with being in more

1823
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,640
Speaker 7: dying situations where you've got six DB's on the field.

1824
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 7: I just think there's a lot that I really can't

1825
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 7: wait to unbox with that defense in camp, because I

1826
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 7: do think they have a chance to be pretty good. Now,

1827
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 7: you got to probably the path trush to take a

1828
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 7: step forward. I think that that kind of starts with

1829
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:08,880
Speaker 7: LAYOUTI BLOCKO taking a step forward, but defensively, man, there's

1830
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 7: gonna be some really interesting things that you know, I

1831
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 7: can't wait to kind of track over the course of

1832
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks up a grand.

1833
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Park and again everything getting underway Wednesday at ten o'clock

1834
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 1: in the morning. I assume JJ once again all of

1835
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,639
Speaker 1: the like the family fun events and the kid events

1836
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: and everything else that is accessible just to the outside

1837
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,719
Speaker 1: of the camper as you walk in as all all

1838
01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 1: back there once again.

1839
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 3: Right, it's back there.

1840
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,839
Speaker 7: And I got to tell you can find my kids

1841
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 7: at Blues trick Shot Zone where they will be attempting

1842
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,880
Speaker 7: to Blues coming up with like a new trick shot

1843
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 7: every day, you know those like videos that like Blue

1844
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 7: and like Dude perfect do. You can find my kids there,

1845
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 7: and you might even find me there if I need

1846
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 7: a little break from the eater something will pop over

1847
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 7: there and try to do a trick shot. Which, by

1848
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 7: the way, when Blue had that set up at our

1849
01:41:57,120 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 7: media day, I did hit the trick shot. He had

1850
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:01,759
Speaker 7: the little pink on ball found and only.

1851
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 1: Three tries, you know, The only weird thing about that

1852
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: is your kids are twenty six and twenty two, right, No, they.

1853
01:42:07,320 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 7: Are five years old. But as a thirty six year old,

1854
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 7: I would happily spend some time there.

1855
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 1: Let's go, right, yeah, why not? Right? All right? Everything

1856
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,679
Speaker 1: getting underway Wednesday, it will be we will be out

1857
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: there doing the show Wednesday, Thursday and Friday again Colts

1858
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,280
Speaker 1: dot com, where you can read not just that story,

1859
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 1: but all the coverage as it relates to Colts Camp.

1860
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: JJ appreciate it as always.

1861
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for earving me on, Jake appreciate it.

1862
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Jjstankovi. It's joining us from Colts dot Com.

1863
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be interesting, you know, all

1864
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 1: of it in all aspects that we talked about. And yeah,

1865
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier it and I know that this is

1866
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 1: probably just a part of you know, just life in

1867
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 1: general and stuff flying around. But it feels to me, Eddie.

1868
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 1: You tell me if you agree or disagree. It feels

1869
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,679
Speaker 1: to me like summers go faster and fast and faster.

1870
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,639
Speaker 2: Well, certainly it helps when the pacers are playing until June.

1871
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: Well that's true. That's a really good point.

1872
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 2: And then you have the w NBA All Star Game here.

1873
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to the State Fair that gets

1874
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: underway at the start of August. Right, so we got

1875
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:17,680
Speaker 1: two weeks before the State Fair, yep.

1876
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 2: And I believe he'll be out there at the there

1877
01:43:20,280 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 2: bar and then you'll be out there for at least

1878
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 2: one time. I know you're out the other day.

1879
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,599
Speaker 1: But we're down there for the for the Governor's Cup yep,

1880
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 1: for the State Fair and the you know, the Indiana

1881
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 1: Harness Race that takes place. I just the and I

1882
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 1: know that the Fair. It kind of feels like the

1883
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 1: official ending of summer. It's weird to think now that

1884
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:43,640
Speaker 1: the Fair takes place so much longer after kids go

1885
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: back to school. I mean, I have a friend that

1886
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 1: teaches in Warren Township. They start today today.

1887
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:51,679
Speaker 2: It's unreal, man, it is unreal.

1888
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 1: But again that that's you know, you get the year

1889
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 1: round school and they you know, they have different in

1890
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: terms of the breaks and spring break and all that.

1891
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: They do go longer those terms. But I have how

1892
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: often do you go to the State Fair? Ready? Do

1893
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: you go each year? Yes? Yes, you have State Fair traditions.

1894
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 2: Uh not really. We tried to go on Tuesdays.

1895
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: Now if you. I think it was last year. We

1896
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: went one day and it was during one of the

1897
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 1: like free free days or two dollar days or whatever.

1898
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 3: Yep.

1899
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: I could not believe, like the traffic. It was unbelievable

1900
01:44:29,240 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: trying to get in there. But my tradition every year,

1901
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 1: you gotta go to the dairy bar. You gotta get

1902
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 1: a grilled cheese sandwich, you got to get a milkshake. Right, yeh,

1903
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 1: last year that's stay Fair. That's right, that's right. We

1904
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:42,200
Speaker 1: ran into you were hanging out in the beer tent. Right, No,

1905
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: you were in the beer tent. I was, yeah, I

1906
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,240
Speaker 1: just we saw you at the beer tent. We always

1907
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 1: go in, so we get the grilled cheese, we get

1908
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:50,960
Speaker 1: a milkshake, then we go in and we get now

1909
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 1: that you can do it, we get one of the

1910
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,600
Speaker 1: craft beers from Indiana, and then we do we did.

1911
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 1: We just walk the loop. You walk the loop, you

1912
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: gotta get a usually got to get and ircorn while

1913
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: you walk the loop and just walk around. And I

1914
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: don't really do the rides, but I do watch what's

1915
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: that one ride? I think it's called the Alpine something

1916
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:13,799
Speaker 1: that I mentioned every year, and it's kind of a

1917
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,759
Speaker 1: it's a kind of a circular ride, but it goes

1918
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 1: like up and down. It goes around, but there's a

1919
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,120
Speaker 1: hill to it. There's an elevation change and it always

1920
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: plays like hard rock music and people go on that

1921
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 1: and try to look cool and they're getting there, like

1922
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,080
Speaker 1: flying all over the place, and we watch that and

1923
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 1: absolutely gofaugh at people. It is the greatest people watching

1924
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 1: thing ever. We do that every year walk around. I

1925
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,719
Speaker 1: usually try to go through some of the different barns

1926
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 1: with people's artwork and sculptures and things like that. Yeah barn, yeah, yeah,

1927
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 1: because I figure, you know what I mean, it's cool

1928
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: to see people's hard work that's on display and people

1929
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 1: that were awarded for different things that certainly merits it.

1930
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Do you like going to the swine barn? I do,

1931
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 1: but then't here's the thing.

1932
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, it messes up your.

1933
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: Aura or aroma. Well you get that right. There is

1934
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 1: a great tradition of seeing the world's largest boar laying

1935
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,400
Speaker 1: on his side and then watching little parents have to

1936
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 1: explain to those little kids exactly what's going on with

1937
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: the nerve football smuggling. But as I've gotten older, like

1938
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: I kind of like pigs, I think pigs are cool.

1939
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:30,040
Speaker 1: They're smart. They I think for the most part, they're

1940
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:33,599
Speaker 1: they're pretty friendly. They know what's going on.

1941
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 2: My cousin is a pet pig.

1942
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, that's the thing. And and yet then I

1943
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 1: go to the state Fair and I realize that's the

1944
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 1: one place you don't want to be the grand champion

1945
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 1: because it ain't good right. So I do feel bad

1946
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 1: when I walk through it because I usually reach down

1947
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:52,960
Speaker 1: and kind of give them a little pet. And then

1948
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 1: I realize your pet voice, Oh of course, okay, hello buddy, Hello, Yeah,

1949
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: And then I realize the fate, and it kind of

1950
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 1: makes me sad. I'm not gonna lie to you now.

1951
01:47:03,160 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 1: When you go and you pet sit and you sit

1952
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,759
Speaker 1: in and watch boo, do you use a a feline

1953
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 1: like a pet voice for Boo? Yes? I do? Do

1954
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 1: you really?

1955
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 2: I have a pet voice? I have three?

1956
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 1: And so let me hear like I would around doing

1957
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 1: it on the radio. No, why not? I mean I

1958
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:17,760
Speaker 1: just did it because you're you.

1959
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 2: I am me. I don't want to do my pet voice.

1960
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 1: Over the radio. Do you call him just boo boo booskers?

1961
01:47:23,200 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 1: I do call him booskers, Yeah, little buddy. Yeah, does

1962
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: he respond to it. Yeah, that's not bad. That's not

1963
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: a bad meal. Actually, he meows a lot. He's a

1964
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: very vocal cat. I know, he's like you chatty, that's right. Yeah,

1965
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 1: we just sit around and listen. By the time I

1966
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 1: come on the air and I do a radio show,

1967
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: this is the second installment I've done three hours of

1968
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: rehearsal with Boo. That's right.

1969
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 2: Boo is very up to speed on the things that

1970
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 2: irk me. How much did you have to explain to

1971
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,240
Speaker 2: him how football, baseball, basketball, all the sports workers?

1972
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:58,679
Speaker 1: He was a natural, got it, He's a natural cats. Actually,

1973
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 1: if cats watch like baseball game, I swear, I mean

1974
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: had softball too, Tennis. They like their eyes. They are

1975
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:10,160
Speaker 1: seemingly able to follow what goes on on a screen.

1976
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 1: No question about that, no question about it. There was

1977
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 1: something that took place here in terms of basketball in

1978
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: Indiana over the weekend that away from the court I

1979
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 1: think caught people's eye and ear, and I kind of

1980
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 1: understand where athletes are coming from on this. We'll explain next.

1981
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 1: Just saw this. I think this just came out within

1982
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 1: the last hour or so. But this is sad news.

1983
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: According to now multiple reports, Malcolm Jamal Warner, who played

1984
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 1: THEO Cosby on The Cosby Show. And if you are

1985
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 1: of my age range, you absolutely you know THEO Cosby

1986
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: was man. I mean, there were so many great moments

1987
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 1: on that show, but the one where I think the

1988
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 1: moment that I think of the most with THEO Cosby,

1989
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:05,479
Speaker 1: there were two. One of them when he so badly

1990
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 1: wanted the designer shirt and Denise said that she would

1991
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:10,879
Speaker 1: make it for him and it was a complete disaster.

1992
01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 1: And I wish I remember the name of the designer

1993
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 1: that he wanted something Gatrell, Jermaine Gatrell. I'll have to

1994
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 1: look it up, but any rate. The other one being

1995
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: when he talked about how you know, when Doctor Huxtable

1996
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:36,799
Speaker 1: was telling him about growing up and responsibilities and money,

1997
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 1: and he was talking about how he didn't need a

1998
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:42,640
Speaker 1: lot of money because he wanted to live in a

1999
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 1: different fashion, with different morals and whatever else. And they

2000
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,760
Speaker 1: went through, dollar by dollar how much it would cost

2001
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 1: him to live and that was another classic moment. But

2002
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jamal Warner, apparently in Costa Rica on a family vacation,

2003
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 1: has passed away after drowning at the age of fifty

2004
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: four on a family trip that According to People magazine,

2005
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:10,599
Speaker 1: the actor was in Costa Rica on a family vacation

2006
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: and drowned while swimming. A rep for Warner did not

2007
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 1: immediately respond to People's request for comment, but is now

2008
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: being reported numerous places that Malcolm Warner has passed away

2009
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 1: at the age of fifty four. Theo Huxtable was again,

2010
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, basically my age during the time that that

2011
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 1: show was out, and so he was just extremely relatable

2012
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 1: I think, in so many areas to so many different

2013
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:41,280
Speaker 1: people in demographics. I know, for me, there was a

2014
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: guy that I went to school with named Adell Means

2015
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: who looked exactly like theo Huxtable and to this day

2016
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 1: Adell Means every time I see him, I'm like, you know,

2017
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 1: you were theo Huxtable to me. But that show was

2018
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:55,719
Speaker 1: so important, I think because and there was some level

2019
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,760
Speaker 1: of and I understand this now more so than I

2020
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 1: did in the time, but at that time, that show,

2021
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:04,640
Speaker 1: that The Cosby Show was so relatable and so enjoyable

2022
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:08,760
Speaker 1: to so many people. And you know the fact that

2023
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 1: you had an African American family living in affluence in

2024
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 1: New York City and Brooklyn with doctors and attorneys and

2025
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, and everything that goes into that at that

2026
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:21,839
Speaker 1: time was a significant thing. And then I also understand

2027
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:27,160
Speaker 1: the polarization for some of saying, but an African American

2028
01:51:27,200 --> 01:51:29,599
Speaker 1: family can be relatable regardless of whether or not it's

2029
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,960
Speaker 1: one of influence and affluence. And I get all of that.

2030
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,599
Speaker 1: But and certainly Bill Cosby, we know the story there.

2031
01:51:35,680 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 1: But Malcolm Jamal Warner was very likable on that show

2032
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:41,599
Speaker 1: and I think went on to a career involving in

2033
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 1: music and production and things like that after that show

2034
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 1: was off the air. So sad news of Malcolm Jamal Warner.

2035
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:54,719
Speaker 1: The WNBA All Star Game, I made mention of this earlier.

2036
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 1: I know that the players wearing the T shirts that

2037
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: said pay us what you owe us did not go

2038
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 1: over well with a lot of people. And I heard

2039
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying, look, the WNBA, like you know,

2040
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 1: typical of the WNBA that just when they have momentum,

2041
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 1: something like that comes along and they've got to go

2042
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: out there and on the biggest stage where there probably

2043
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 1: are more eyeballs on it than ever before. You have

2044
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 1: players making that sort of a statement and how that

2045
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,120
Speaker 1: can turn people off. And I get it, I do,

2046
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 1: But I do understand where the players are coming from. Now,

2047
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: We as fans, as media, we don't want to hear

2048
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 1: business talked about within sports. We don't want to hear

2049
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 1: we don't want to be subject to the public discussion, debate,

2050
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:50,960
Speaker 1: negotiations with collective bargaining and things like that. We just

2051
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:57,960
Speaker 1: don't And so when you look at the WNBA players

2052
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:02,439
Speaker 1: coming out with that, we have this thought process that

2053
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 1: sports are our playground, and sports are the one thing

2054
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:09,439
Speaker 1: that we buy and large for the most part, whether

2055
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,680
Speaker 1: you are a plumber, whether you're a mechanic, whether you're

2056
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 1: an architect, whether you're an attorney, whether you're a surgeon,

2057
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 1: whether you're a radio host. The one thing that most

2058
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 1: people have in common is that at some point in

2059
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:24,759
Speaker 1: their life they had dreams of being a professional athlete.

2060
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 1: You know, everybody, when you're a little kid, what do

2061
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 1: you want to be when you grow up? I want

2062
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 1: to be a firefighter. I want to be a police officer.

2063
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,200
Speaker 1: I want to be a doctor. I want to be

2064
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: a football player. It's like usually one of those four things,

2065
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 1: and it doesn't take long for most to figure out

2066
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 1: that the professional athlete aspect of them. That's probably the

2067
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 1: first one that reality takes that away from you. So

2068
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 1: when you see professional athletes, then it is the natural

2069
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: reaction for all of us to say, you're getting paid

2070
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 1: to play a game that kids play. You're getting paid,

2071
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:03,120
Speaker 1: You're living my dream. How dare you get greedy when

2072
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,679
Speaker 1: talking about mine? I would do anything to be able

2073
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 1: to be a quarterback. I'd do anything to be a pitcher,

2074
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 1: And so we resent when those that do that then

2075
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: seemingly sulk at the opportunities that are afforded them as

2076
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 1: not being good enough. But we live in a world

2077
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 1: of supplying demand. Somebody who is a plumber makes really

2078
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,680
Speaker 1: good money because there are only so many people in

2079
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:33,880
Speaker 1: his town that know how to exactly put pipes together

2080
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: without water leaking, supplying demand. And if you can hit

2081
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 1: a fastball at one hundred two miles an hour, you

2082
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 1: can get paid for it because supplying demand. There's not

2083
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 1: many people that can do that. There are few that

2084
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: can do that. And the reality is, even though the

2085
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:55,400
Speaker 1: numbers in the math of the salaries are astronomical compared

2086
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 1: to those professions that I just mentioned, so too, though,

2087
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 1: are the finite number of people that can do that

2088
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: skill set. And with the WNBA and the women of

2089
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:11,320
Speaker 1: the WNBA. I totally understand the notion of this is

2090
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 1: a league that has yet to have a team. To

2091
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: my knowledge, at least at least last time I had checked,

2092
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 1: all of the franchises were still in the red and

2093
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 1: all of the franchises were still Now I don't believe

2094
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:29,480
Speaker 1: the NBA subsidizes the WNBA at this point, but it

2095
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: did for a very long time, and teams still were

2096
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 1: not turning a profit. But it is very easy to say, therefore,

2097
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: the collective Bargaining Agreement and those things need to fall

2098
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,480
Speaker 1: in line with that. Except for that's all about to

2099
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,720
Speaker 1: change when you look at the fact that the WNBA

2100
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:53,200
Speaker 1: now is getting ready to expand again and they are

2101
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:55,200
Speaker 1: bringing in Eddie. You tell me if I'm wrong here,

2102
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm going off memory. The teams the cities that we've

2103
01:55:57,800 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: heard recently are going to now get teams as the

2104
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 1: Houston and Cleveland, Is that right, Yes, two that have

2105
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 1: had franchises before, granted.

2106
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 2: But Cleveland, Detroit, and Philadelphia. They're going out to eighteen teams.

2107
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 1: Cleveland, Detroit, and Philadelphia. Okay, So those three teams, it

2108
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 1: is reported, had to pay an expansion fee entry fee

2109
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:21,960
Speaker 1: of two hundred and fifty million dollars. You throw into

2110
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 1: that a new media rights partnership that is reported to

2111
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:30,240
Speaker 1: pay two point two billion with a B two point

2112
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:35,920
Speaker 1: two billion dollars, and so that means that that is

2113
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 1: an additional three billion dollars now that is coming into

2114
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:45,440
Speaker 1: the WNBA. And so therefore I understand why the players now,

2115
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 1: is the All Star Game where you have the highest

2116
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 1: number of new eyeballs on your sport tuning in, is

2117
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:55,880
Speaker 1: the All Star Game the place to necessarily air that

2118
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 1: out and make your case about that new agreement. Maybe not,

2119
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you are wanting to

2120
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 1: draw attention that you want people to be aware of

2121
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 1: the situation, then mission accomplished. Because here we are in

2122
01:57:14,160 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: Indianapolis talking about exactly that, you know what I mean,

2123
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: And so I get why that T shirt in that

2124
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 1: message was important. What were your.

2125
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,920
Speaker 2: Thoughts on Kelsey Plumb in the postgame media availability after

2126
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 2: the All Star Game pretty much title telling that no

2127
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 2: members of Team Clark were present for this player's meeting

2128
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 2: Saturday morning about the shirts.

2129
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because I'm like, does that

2130
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:46,320
Speaker 1: mean that is she implying that Caitlyn Clark would have

2131
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:49,160
Speaker 1: had some sort of influence like that of limiting players

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01:57:49,200 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 1: from doing that. I get. My reaction is this, would

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01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:56,920
Speaker 1: she have said the exact same thing if it was

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Speaker 1: Paige Becker's or correct, correct, you know, Tina Charles or

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Speaker 1: somebody like that. Correct. The Kaitlin Clark thing that is

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01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 1: fascinating to me is my message would have been to that,

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01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, but the income of which

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01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:17,960
Speaker 1: you guys are now wanting a bigger slice of the

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01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:21,040
Speaker 1: pie because the pie just got a lot bigger. What

2140
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: player do you think is the most responsible for that? Yeah,

2141
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 1: that there's your I mean, the WNBA has had fabulous players.

2142
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 1: The Ana Tarassi is an amazing player. Cynthia Cooper was

2143
01:58:34,120 --> 01:58:37,839
Speaker 1: an amazing player, Cheryl Soops is an amazing player. Rebecca

2144
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:40,600
Speaker 1: Lobo was a very good player. You know, they've had

2145
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:44,280
Speaker 1: Britney Grinder is a is a fabulous player, but none

2146
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 1: of them have the commercialization polarization of a Caitlin Clark

2147
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:52,440
Speaker 1: to bring in that new audience that has created that

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Speaker 1: amount of money that I just mentioned. By the way,

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01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:00,400
Speaker 1: Gordon Gartrell. Gordon Gartrell was the fat, the mythical fashion

2150
01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:03,520
Speaker 1: designer that THEO Cosby wanted a ninety five dollars shirt.

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01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:09,760
Speaker 1: But sad news, sad news about Malcolm Jamal Warner. Undoubtedly

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01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 1: my favorite song from the Who. Undoubtedly I saw last

2153
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:18,880
Speaker 1: night JANV has walked in. I saw bare Naked Ladies

2154
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:21,720
Speaker 1: last night. Not yes, not actual bare naked ladies, but

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01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 1: the band itself over at the Lawn. You know, I've

2156
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 1: known like two or three of their hits. I guess, yeah,

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01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that I really realized John how just

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01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 1: kind of overall fun and fun. And they're Canadians. Canadian

2159
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 1: dudes are always fun, but they don't take themselves too seriously, right,

2160
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 1: and they did. They actually did an a CDC cover

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01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:45,880
Speaker 1: that was like it was like, Holy cow, it sounded

2162
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 1: exactly like it. But it was a fun show. It

2163
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 1: was definitely a fun show.

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Speaker 6: And I called you yesterday the old apartment, this is

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01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:54,160
Speaker 6: where we used to live.

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01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did do that. Yeah, those guys were fun though.

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01:59:57,200 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 1: But you had a good weekend, right.

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Speaker 6: Ah, let me think about it for a minute. What

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Speaker 6: do I do most Saturday Night? Obviously was fun. It

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Speaker 6: was you know, we do whatever on the jam V

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02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:09,640
Speaker 6: Takeover anyway, But when you have a whatever weekend, it's

2172
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 6: even more magnified. Those are always always fun. I thought

2173
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:17,240
Speaker 6: Downtown was outstanding and now feel that I can can

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Speaker 6: share this because I come out of Downtown every single

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Speaker 6: Saturday nights last Sunday morning at about one am, and

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02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:29,400
Speaker 6: normally it's an absolute mess, absolutely everywhere that going down

2177
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Speaker 6: one way streets on scooters and they's just chaos. And

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Speaker 6: this was the type of weekend where it'd be nice

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Speaker 6: if you would just analyze what you did and try

2180
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:42,360
Speaker 6: to put that to good use, so maybe we can

2181
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 6: have some fun with it, and we just don't, you know,

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Speaker 6: it's just not allowed when people were in town that

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Speaker 6: are from out of town. Maybe yeah, maybe not crap

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02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:51,960
Speaker 6: so much where we eat, that'd be.

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Speaker 1: Great, right, you're right about that? Yeah? What's on the

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Speaker 1: Big Show today? Joey Legana, Right, Joey Legano. What's this

2187
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:01,080
Speaker 1: deal with Ross Chastain? They're fighting? Is this your average

2188
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:04,160
Speaker 1: NASCAR fighting? Guys are always fighting in NASCAR. You can

2189
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Speaker 1: ask him about his fighting.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to ask him about Ross Chastain and his fighting.

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Speaker 6: Are you doing that Sunday?

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Speaker 1: I'm actually doing the Goodness SACA IndyCar Race because they're

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Speaker 1: on at the exact same time.

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Speaker 6: Are you going to Laguna Seca?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm doing it. We're split the cruise and I'm

2196
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Speaker 1: doing it from here.

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Speaker 6: Laguna Seca is in pole position, isn't it?

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Speaker 1: Uh? It is? Yeah, that's awesome. Speaking of which, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: do we have for great driving? God? It's all excited

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Speaker 1: A man. I love the goodness Seca though for there

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Speaker 1: we go? That's awesome. Maybe yeah, Modera, California is fabulous.

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Speaker 1: Love anything about it.

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Speaker 6: So who does the NASCAR? Is that when they swoop

2204
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Speaker 6: in themselves.

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Speaker 1: We do a split cru So Yeoman and Michael Young

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Speaker 1: will do that, Mark James and I will do the

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Speaker 1: IndyCar side of things, and then the guys from PR

2208
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:56,800
Speaker 1: income over as well, Brad Gilly and that group. Cookie

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Speaker 1: Monster is the Grand Marshall. I saw that.

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Speaker 6: What's that?

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02:02:00,280 --> 02:02:01,880
Speaker 1: Is there a sponsorship behind that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's all about.

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02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:07,000
Speaker 6: NASCAR's trying to save PBS.

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02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 1: I know what they're doing. No, I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 1: just making crap. Might be it, I don't know. Yeah,

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02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean because Cookie Monster and Elmo, my understanding is

2218
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:16,640
Speaker 1: they're they're looking for a place to live.

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Speaker 6: Now right, Yeah, can you talk about your shot?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So I went in so premier weight loss John

2221
02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:26,640
Speaker 1: that you obviously have worked with and Thomas and the

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Speaker 1: group over there is great. I went in there on

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Speaker 1: Friday because of the cardiovascular benefit of it, you know,

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02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:36,160
Speaker 1: just in terms of the of you know, obviously it

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02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:39,000
Speaker 1: goes without saying and I'm very fortunate and the fact

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Speaker 1: that I'm just at a maintenance level. I don't need

2227
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Speaker 1: to necessarily lose weight, but in terms of the cholesterol

2228
02:02:44,280 --> 02:02:47,080
Speaker 1: level and the cardiovascular benefit, I went in there and

2229
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 1: talked with them and got underway and started with it.

2230
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Speaker 1: So I look forward to sharing with people, you know,

2231
02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:55,760
Speaker 1: as we go along the benefits from your heart standpoint

2232
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Speaker 1: of that as well.

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Speaker 6: Did you get in your underwear to get on the

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02:02:58,640 --> 02:03:01,200
Speaker 6: whole body thing. No, I didn't go, you know, I

2235
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:03,120
Speaker 6: just get right down my onto it. There's a dude

2236
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:07,080
Speaker 6: like vision quest Jim. I look over and I'm like, yeah, man,

2237
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:09,320
Speaker 6: like that. This is not in a locker room in

2238
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 6: the middle of the morning room. I asked her. I said, youn,

2239
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Speaker 6: she goes, I'm a nurse. Okay, I just go full

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Speaker 6: vision quest.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. That's good.

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02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:19,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, yeah, I want to make sure well when

2243
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:21,880
Speaker 6: I get it's like oil lagoon right here.

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02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:23,960
Speaker 1: It drives me more crazy when you go to the

2245
02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:25,960
Speaker 1: doctor than when they weigh you and then and you know,

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Speaker 1: and you're fully clothed.

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Speaker 6: No with with shoes and boots on and.

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Speaker 3: Off.

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Speaker 1: That exactly so.

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Speaker 6: Malcolm Jamal Warner passed away in a drowning accident Costa Rica.

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Speaker 6: He was significant in the youth of Generation X, Is

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Speaker 6: he not?

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Speaker 1: No question? I mean that one of the great characters. Yeah,

2254
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:51,040
Speaker 1: and he went on. He's still did some acting, but

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Speaker 1: he went on. I think he was a musical producer

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 6: Didn't have Malcolm and Eddie was a show on like

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02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 6: the c W for.

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02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 1: A lot about that, Yeah, Malcolm and Eddie.

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02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:01,200
Speaker 6: Who was his best friend of the Cosby show? Can

2261
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 6: you name him? His best friend was Nick Age Cockroach? Indeed, okay,

2262
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:08,240
Speaker 6: how about this?

2263
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:12,360
Speaker 1: Who was the who was the character on Different Strokes

2264
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Speaker 1: that I don't think was ever that that was Arnold's nemesis.

2265
02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:17,440
Speaker 1: They never showed him. But you heard the Gooch, the Gooch,

2266
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:18,320
Speaker 1: they never showed him.

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02:04:18,600 --> 02:04:20,520
Speaker 6: They ever showed the Goucho. The Gucer is a bully,

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Speaker 6: that's right, Do you I remember that when theo Malcolm

2269
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:27,000
Speaker 6: Jamal Warner got his ear pierced on an episode of

2270
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Speaker 6: The Cosby Show.

2271
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that?

2272
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:30,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of went for me when I got

2273
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:32,520
Speaker 6: my piers like that too. I had to I had

2274
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:35,160
Speaker 6: to run at school like my My basketball coach made

2275
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Speaker 6: me run.

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Speaker 1: Really got my ear piers? Yeah, my dad. I just

2277
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 1: told the story the other day when I told my

2278
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:41,600
Speaker 1: dad that I got my ear pierce and my dad said,

2279
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:44,480
Speaker 1: you familiar with Vincent van Gogh, And I was like, well,

2280
02:04:44,520 --> 02:04:46,160
Speaker 1: I guess I got the idea of what my dad's

2281
02:04:46,160 --> 02:04:47,040
Speaker 1: thought process is.

2282
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Speaker 6: Did you do use a Claire's and the Bloomington Mall?

2283
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Speaker 3: I got in?

2284
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:52,680
Speaker 1: I did mine. Uh. We were on spring break in

2285
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,560
Speaker 1: Daytona when I was a senior in high school.

2286
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:57,240
Speaker 6: We went to some places the ice cube behind the needle.

2287
02:04:57,320 --> 02:05:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were casting on kids on spring break, right,

2288
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:01,520
Speaker 1: I didn't mind.

2289
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:03,760
Speaker 6: At Claire's boutique and the Bloomington.

2290
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:07,600
Speaker 1: College Laiirs is probably the most common Claire's. By the way,

2291
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:09,400
Speaker 1: thanks to Pat Knight for coming on earlier and talking

2292
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:11,640
Speaker 1: about Bob Hamil speaking of Bloomington and referring to him

2293
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:13,839
Speaker 1: as mister Hammill. For the majority of it, but great

2294
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:16,640
Speaker 1: stories from Pat Yeah, and Bob Knight as well.

2295
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:19,400
Speaker 6: Some of those writers along with Bob or are so

2296
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:22,400
Speaker 6: memorable because that was my my newspaper. Yeah, the Harald

2297
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:25,360
Speaker 6: Telephone and the Harald Times. But Rex Kurtz, Lenn Hauser,

2298
02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:30,320
Speaker 6: Lynn Hauser, Yeah for sure. Just some incredible names down

2299
02:05:30,360 --> 02:05:33,760
Speaker 6: there too, Andy Graham, who I think is still around

2300
02:05:34,040 --> 02:05:36,000
Speaker 6: doing something I don't know, but yeah, just great names

2301
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 6: for that newspaper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Bob Hamil passing away at the age of eighty

2303
02:05:39,720 --> 02:05:41,760
Speaker 1: eight over the weekend. Thanks to Pat Knight earlier that

2304
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,000
Speaker 1: will be up in podcast form. He told some great

2305
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:46,400
Speaker 1: stories about Bob Knight, including Bob Knight having to hide

2306
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:48,600
Speaker 1: in a tree for twenty minutes during a golf outing.

2307
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Speaker 1: All available. John's up next, like.

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02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:52,640
Speaker 6: Hollywood Nights right there, let me tell you about wholes

2309
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:53,760
Speaker 6: something that's right.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back if you noon tomorrow. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to Quaring Company.