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Speaker 1: Hello, welcome, thanks for joining us on track side ninety

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Speaker 1: That's one of the topics. We have another confirmation we

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Speaker 1: Speedway next week. Hey, you're joining us Kevin Lee, urd

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Speaker 1: cabin landon coons Is in our Indianapolis studio. We need

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Speaker 1: to have some sort of racing event now because this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's supposed to go downhill a little bit starting Sunday,

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Speaker 3: the weekend. And yeah, it's just been beautiful. It was

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Speaker 3: so nice to be out of the racetrack yesterday, even

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Speaker 3: but we'll see that next week to some extent. So

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Speaker 3: here we go, it's October and we're still talking about

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Speaker 1: So we'll go ahead and look at the long range

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Speaker 1: We know this Will Power will not be participating unless

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Speaker 1: I can't guarantee that all it takes is him saying

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Speaker 1: to do that now. I noticed that there was a

431
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: logo on mixed hat, so he has at least one partner,

432
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: so hopefully there is some he can bring along, or

433
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: maybe he has personal sponsorship that kicks in if he's

434
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: driving at a high level, including the ND five hundred

435
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: to where the team doesn't have to pay him that

436
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: much of a salary and then it's just operating the car.

437
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: But that's still a lot. You know, you need to

438
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: find you got the leaders circle that helps. Oh wait

439
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: a minute, no, you don't you don't have the leader

440
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: circle of that car are already one point seven million

441
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: ish in the hole for next year, actually one million,

442
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: because I think the leader circle from last year that's

443
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. That was a report from Racer that

444
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: it's moving up. But is that to be paid in

445
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six? Here we go. This is from a

446
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: story from last week informed its entrance of a plan

447
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: to add five hundred thousand dollars each to each leader

448
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: circle contract for twenty twenty six.

449
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: Regardless your point is well taken. That's money that you

450
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: need to you need.

451
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: I'm just curious if the teams are getting that in

452
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six or if this is for twenty twenty

453
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: seven based on whoever's in the top twenty two this year.

454
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's not going to be there, and that

455
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: is a point. That's why, you know, the two cars

456
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: that we've talked about with drivers that were said to

457
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: be on multi year contracts did not make the leader circle.

458
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons why they are in question.

459
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: The teams are going to not always look inward, They're

460
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: going to look outward. Can't be us, must be them,

461
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: So we need to change the driver in this case,

462
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: so they're they're looking to see if there are any

463
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: other options around. He did well. Let's see times that

464
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: were unofficial from yesterday. Dennis Hauger was the quickest, good

465
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: for him in his second test with dale Coin Racing.

466
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: Rossi was next. He was a tenth off. Schumacher was

467
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: two tenths off. Kyle Collette was three tenths off. Lockie Hughes,

468
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: we'll get to him in a moment. He was six

469
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: tenths off. Christian Rasmussen, who had some mechanical electric issues

470
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: something he didn't do a whole lot of laps, was next.

471
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: He was about seven eight tenths off, and then James

472
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: Rose and Hukos Hollinger car was a and a half

473
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: tens off. I would call that well done. First time

474
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: in an Indy car for James Row. You're inside a

475
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: second of the champ and you're within a tenths of

476
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: Alexander Rossi, who's won a race and been very fast

477
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. So before I forget Lockey Hughes,

478
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: was I think were you standing there at the time

479
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: after he finished his little media scrum, I didn't hear

480
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: any of it, and I said how to go, and he's,

481
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: uh uh, my arms don't reach the steering wheel. So

482
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't nearly as quick. I didn't see any times

483
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: in the morning, but he just said, you know, the

484
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: we're using my Indie next seat and I can reach it,

485
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: but my arms are very straight and there is a

486
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: lot of steering load. You know, it's a heavier car

487
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: than the Indy next car, so they can adjust the

488
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: caster and make it easier, but then that takes away

489
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: some performance. You know, then you're not able to be

490
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: as precise to simplify it a bit if you lessen

491
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: the caster or so he eventually parked a little bit

492
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: earlier because this is a waste of time, and then

493
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: they were going to see, you know, what can we

494
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: do to move the steering wheel a little bit closer

495
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: to me to put I don't think it's like you know,

496
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: form the forward racing or the Skip Barber series where

497
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: you can put a blanket in the bottom of the

498
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: seat and move them closer, but maybe effectively that's what

499
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: they're doing. So must have gotten better because he was

500
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: relatively in pace. So I'm happy that Lockie got something

501
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: out of that that was news from last week. He

502
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: was confirmed to return to Andretti for Indy Next. There

503
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: were some Ganassi rumors that were floating around out there

504
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: about moving to their program, so maybe that was one

505
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: of the incentives that kept him there. He gets a

506
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: day in the IndyCar. I had wondered if this was

507
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: part of the scholarship at one point, first, second, and

508
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: third in the scholarship got IndyCar test days. He said, no,

509
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: Third definitely does it, and I don't. I'm not even

510
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: sure that second does. I don't know if first does

511
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: or not. Maybe they do, but that wasn't the case there.

512
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: And he's also the Andretti IndyCar RESI driver, which is

513
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: a little bonus to the deal, and you know, kind

514
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: of allows him to want it. Looks good on the resume,

515
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he'll spend even more time on the

516
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: IndyCar stand during the season this year. What else on that,

517
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, Schumacher looked good. So now we actively wait

518
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: and see and the team may have simply been using

519
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: this let's see how he goes. And he's relatively quick,

520
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're looking at what were the impressions.

521
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, there were some extra media out there for

522
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: a test day. I don't know what kind of attention

523
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: this got in Europe, in Germany and elsewhere, but they

524
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: can go and see, and they did their media with

525
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: him as well. If this got a lot of attention

526
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: and impressions, as we say, then that's something you use

527
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: ammunition if you don't have it sold yet, and that's

528
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: probably more likely. So all right, now we've got a

529
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: few weeks. Let's see if we can go sell this

530
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: and help make this happen.

531
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Speaker 3: I can tell you when I went to do a

532
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: little research last couple of days, just to make sure

533
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: I had all my information lined up, Mick was mentioned

534
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: in a lot of publications that I'm not accustomed to reading. Globally,

535
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: the idea that he was going to test an IndyCar

536
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 3: drew attention in some places that at least multiple on

537
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: the websites. So I think it's a big deal globally.

538
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: As I might even said to you yesterday, I think

539
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: it's a bigger deal globally than it is here in

540
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: the States.

541
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, I don't know that

542
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: it's a massive deal in America, but it could be

543
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: a big deal globally. And bottom line is Rayel is

544
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: looking for a good driver and that's what they're evaluating.

545
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: I think as well. And we've seen a lot of

546
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: success from F two drivers that have come over here

547
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: and have done well.

548
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been an F two champion. Let's don't let's

549
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: say he can be a Schuemacher. He can be Bill Jones.

550
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: He still won an F two time. And the other

551
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: thing is, I think it's pretty impressive yesterday to be

552
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: that close. You know, you talk about, you know, a

553
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: driver having not been in an IndyCar before, He's not

554
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: seen this racetrack, he's not been in an Indy car,

555
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: he's not been with this team before Friday. I think

556
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: that's an admirable job for day one.

557
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: What's going on with Alex Polo in the McLaren court case,

558
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: That and more coming up on track side. Hi, this

559
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: is Rene Speke and you're listening to trek sythe Okay,

560
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go through all the quotes that

561
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: we've seen. Motorsport Magazine has been a really good resource

562
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: for the McLaren versus Alex Polow court case. But we've

563
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: learned of the disappearing message function on WhatsApp that I

564
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: was not familiar with, but apparently that is corporate policy

565
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: and Gavin Ward let that fly. And is it Jeff Papone,

566
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: the Canadian journalist, Yes, yes, he took some strays in

567
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: this somehow his text messages with and the former team

568
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: principal McClary made it out that yeah, that's what we

569
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: do to cover our butt in these certain situations. So

570
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: this still all comes down to and what I've seen.

571
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: I feel like it's looking better for Alex Polo, but

572
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's going to depend on what the

573
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: contract is. Alex Polo asserts that he did this for

574
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: the prospect of getting to Formula one and he was

575
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: led to believe by Zach Brown that had a great

576
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: chance of happening. And Zach Brown says there were no

577
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: promises made in that regard. So what's written down and

578
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: what stands in a court of law in this case

579
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: for verbal assessments and how do you prove that?

580
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: So the only thing I keep coming back to this

581
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: is anything based on law or knowledge of the case

582
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: other than what I've read. But it just stands to

583
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: reason that somebody would listen to this case. Hear both

584
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: sides and one have a hard time coming up with

585
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: the dollar figure that Aero McLaren professes to have lost.

586
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: And two it does seem obvious that Alex would go

587
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: to McLaren because he thinks there's a path that Formula

588
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: one and if you can in any way show that

589
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: you've been led to believe and then clearly that path

590
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: is not there, I think he'll get the benefit of

591
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: the doubt. Ultimately, that's just a prediction. Yeah, see what happened.

592
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: I don't see twenty one million being charged to him.

593
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: He's probably going to have to pay something, yep, because

594
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: they probably have a case about we signed in TT data,

595
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: which by the way, we took from your previous team,

596
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: which is kind of standard operating procedure in motorsports. But

597
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: that was his sponsor at Ganassi. But we're losing them.

598
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: We're losing them at the end of twenty twenty six.

599
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Although Alex Polo is a free agent in twenty twenty six,

600
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: you could try to sign him back. In that regard,

601
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: we're learning what all the other driver's salaries are. Polo

602
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: has said, I've had to take a lesser salary than

603
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: what I should get from Ganassi because this has been

604
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: confirmed they are covering this. So you know, Alex Polo

605
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: is not going to work for free forever, but he's

606
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: not quite making top dollar because of this. Now. Luckily

607
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: for him, this should be settled by the time he's

608
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: a free agent and old boy. If he's free and clear,

609
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: what that'd be interesting too. Is there a clause in there?

610
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: If I'm Ganassi, if I have to pay twenty one

611
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: million dollars for you, you're not a free agent in

612
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. You've just had your contract extended at

613
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: the same rate if we want you to be extended,

614
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: So that'd be a clause i'd be interested in. Is

615
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: he an outright free agent at the end of that time?

616
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: Hard to say, but I'm sure we'll eventually kind of

617
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: find out. It is interesting to learn. I'm sure he

618
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: did take a not a pay cut. They just they

619
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: just said, you're not getting what you should You're not

620
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: getting what Poto's getting exactly, not getting what Colton Hurda

621
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: is getting. Yeah, it's still pretty nice. Yeah, he's not

622
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: out on the street. I mean, he's not for a

623
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: guy with this hanging over his head to still be

624
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: crushing everyone. Can you imagine what he might do when

625
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: he's free and clear and has no more concerns.

626
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just might not be free and clear top on,

627
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: depending on what this costs Canassy, Well.

628
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: I mean free and clear of the uncertainty of movie.

629
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Just when this is over,

630
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: he's obviously oh yeah yeah, mentally strong enough to just

631
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: kind of be able to deal with this.

632
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 3: I think he's as mentally strong as as this Paddock has.

633
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I put Dixon in that category.

634
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: And obviously there's a lot of other great, great drivers

635
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: in the sport, but you'd be hard pressed to find

636
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: one tougher than Alex Polo. He's as even as I

637
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: tell people all the time, when you're around Alex Plow,

638
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: you get the same Alex Plow, you know this better

639
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: even than I do. On good days, bad days, anything

640
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 3: in between, you get the same Alex below.

641
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: Yep, he's professional. This I think is impactful in our world.

642
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: It's a sports car story. Porsche is exiting the World

643
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: Endurance Championship and that affects Team Penske. They have been

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Speaker 1: the partner in that the factory program they are going

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Speaker 1: to continue in IMSA. So I've wondered about this all summer,

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Speaker 1: and I think when Jonathan do Good was first name,

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Speaker 1: he's been running the sports car program as the head

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Speaker 1: of the Indiecar program, I wondered, huh, And I think

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Speaker 1: I had also asked some people, and yeah, there's a

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Speaker 1: little bit uncertainly about what's going on with Porscha. If

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Speaker 1: they're going to continue. I wonder if they're was a

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Speaker 1: sense that one of the programs, either IMSA or WEK,

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Speaker 1: was going away that would free up a little bit

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Speaker 1: of his time because he was in charge of this

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Speaker 1: worldwide global program and IndyCar, so that lessens his and

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Speaker 1: his played a little bit. There is a possibility Penske

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Speaker 1: could still figure out a way to do LAMA, but

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Speaker 1: that's going to include probably helping to fund some privateer teams.

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Speaker 1: There have to be two Porsches that take place in

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Speaker 1: the Porsche in the World Endurance Championship to guarantee the invite.

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Speaker 1: So that's the only thing that Roger Penske hasn't done

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Speaker 1: is win LAMA. So TBD and if they're going to

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Speaker 1: get a chance to do that, but they'll continue in WEK,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in IMSA, and obviously the IndyCar program as well,

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Speaker 1: and speaking of the IndyCar program, we kind of wondered

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Speaker 1: if Simon Pageno might end up there in a management role,

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Speaker 1: and I forgot to mention this last week, but he

668
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Speaker 1: has taken on a pro role with Formula one and

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Speaker 1: Cadillac their simulator program, which seems like the perfect role

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Speaker 1: for him. Pietro Fittipaldi and sports car driver Charlie Eastwood,

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Speaker 1: who's a GM Corvette factory driver. Those are the others involved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his resources and his talent should not go untapped.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's got so much to give to this sport.

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Speaker 3: He has given so much, and I'm really happy for Simon.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy that he feels well enough to spend time

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Speaker 1: in the simulator. That's exact huge sign right there, because

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Speaker 1: that is if you've had a head injury, I got

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Speaker 1: to think that's maybe even harder to do than driving

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Speaker 1: a race car. Totally agree, Totally motion involves. So that's

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Speaker 1: fantastic news that Simon is feeling well enough to be

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Speaker 1: able to do that. So positive thoughts on where he's

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Speaker 1: headed in life at this point. I was going to

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Speaker 1: do one question and maybe you would know an answer

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Speaker 1: to and I'll get to the rest coming up in

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Speaker 1: a moment and it was from IndyCar Ken. I've heard

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Speaker 1: that there's some out there, But when do you expect

687
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Speaker 1: the new car rendering to be made available to the public.

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Speaker 1: I have not seen anything on that. Ask that. Maybe

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Speaker 1: ask that in the office and give us an answer

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Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, I'll try to see that.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to be vague about it, honestly,

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Speaker 3: but I would think before the perfect time. In my mind,

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Speaker 3: it'll be the start of the month of May, somewhere

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Speaker 3: in the early part of the month of May. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean they if you look at the history of

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Speaker 3: the rollouts in the last eight to ten years, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of new car stuff that is discussed at

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Speaker 3: the Indy five hundred yep.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we'll see what we missed and we'll

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Speaker 1: get to some of your Twitter questions via x. Next

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Speaker 1: on trackside, Hi, this is Graham ray Hall and you're

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Speaker 1: listening to trackside on ninety three five and one oh

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Speaker 1: seven five the fan Okay, final segment, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to try to start making these a little more substantive,

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Speaker 1: meaning longer than thirty seconds or minutes. We've got a

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Speaker 1: few minutes to chat here of some things we've missed.

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Speaker 1: I saw Adam Stern of Sports Business Journal posted the

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Speaker 1: television ratings for motorsports and a lot of angst among

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Speaker 1: NASCAR fans that NHR topped the Cup series on USA

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Speaker 1: one point seven million for Cup and NHR got one

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Speaker 1: point eighty seven million on Fox, and Adam didn't know.

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Speaker 1: And this is what I've always talked about, the one

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Speaker 1: that the circumstance, it intrigues me. For IndyCar, if you

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Speaker 1: found the right events and you could get Fox to

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Speaker 1: guarantee a four to thirty Eastern time start after the

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Speaker 1: one o'clock NFL games, there was a seven point two

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Speaker 1: million viewer lead in with the NFL. Now, the afternoon

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Speaker 1: slot usually gets well. I think it's like eighteen million

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Speaker 1: if you have that afternoon game, and that's how you

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Speaker 1: get that. They've done that once or twice every season.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliant strategy. My guess is that the number. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not ripping on NHR because it would be somewhat

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Speaker 1: similar for Indiecar. IndyCar typically rates a little higher than

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Speaker 1: an HR, but it would be a sliding scale. It

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Speaker 1: would start out at five or six million for people

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Speaker 1: that can't find the clicker, or have multiple TVs and

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Speaker 1: just leave one on and it would end up at

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Speaker 1: whatever whatever your typical rating is against the NFL at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, at you know, a few

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand or something like that, but the average still

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Speaker 1: comes out to one point eight seven million. So that

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Speaker 1: is just something to think about down the road. If

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Speaker 1: the circumstance happens. I don't think it makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense for Fox or I don't think it's likely.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned before, most of the people that work

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Speaker 1: on IndyCar on the production side are doing NFL games

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Speaker 1: in very significant roles in NFL games. Amy tweets at

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Speaker 1: Indie Underscore. Amy, how do we get counter Daily to

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Speaker 1: see for next year?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: I would love to see him full time. I know

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Speaker 1: the budget is always the issue. Is splitting the season

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Speaker 1: between two drivers still an option? So we can at

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Speaker 1: least get him on the ovals, maybe with Collette or Grosjean,

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Speaker 1: So I would say maybe. And as I mentioned before,

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Speaker 1: and if you missed the beginning of the show, I

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Speaker 1: think the top story was Rina's VK was announced for

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Speaker 1: Hunkos Haulinger Racing and there was no announcement of who

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Speaker 1: the teammate is or who was out. It was Connor

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Speaker 1: Daily and Stingray Rob last year. Sting Ray Rob is

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Speaker 1: the one who has a multi year contract. Whether they're

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Speaker 1: options and out, we do not know. But Connor has

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Speaker 1: been clear that his was a one year contract and

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Speaker 1: I think the scenario for him to continue would be

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Speaker 1: if they found the means and the motivation decide that

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Speaker 1: they want to explore cutting ties with Stingray, then Connor

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Speaker 1: would be able to bring some budget, but not as

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Speaker 1: much as Stingray. The Collette Foight thing is a maybe.

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Speaker 1: I think Collet's definitely got money and he's going to

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Speaker 1: do races for aj Foyd Racing, so I could see

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Speaker 1: that as being a possibility. I would think Connor is

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Speaker 1: still a prospect for dale Coin Racing. Again, solid driver

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Speaker 1: that can bring some budget. Don't know what the number is,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's more than a million. It's probably

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Speaker 1: two million or so, maybe more than that, and it

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Speaker 1: can grow depending on how it goes. I'd be surprised.

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Speaker 1: I think I have another question here about splitting with Schumacher.

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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if that happens in one because Schumacher

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Speaker 1: was asked if that was something he would want to do.

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Speaker 1: Some drivers come over like Grojan the first year, like

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson the first year and only did the road

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Speaker 1: courses and street courses, and he said, no, if I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do this, I want to do them all.

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Speaker 1: I'm all in. And obviously it's easier to bring a

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Speaker 1: budget together if you're doing the DY five hundred, and

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Speaker 1: that's the race that everybody knows, Uh what else that's

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Speaker 1: saved from? I think last week Stephen Pankew says, or

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Speaker 1: ask any word on what Gavin Ward is up to.

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Speaker 1: Seems like he'd be a hot commodity as far as

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Speaker 1: engineers go, and he's been a fable for over a year.

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Speaker 1: Great question. You know, we brought him up because his

782
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Speaker 1: name's surfaced and test messages in the McLaren Poalou trial. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: his gardening leave, his non compete should be over now

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Speaker 1: because it has well, it's been right exactly the year.

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Speaker 1: I think he separated in October. It's possible though, that

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Speaker 1: that contract went through the end of the year. It's

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Speaker 1: possible he had a full year and he's not eligible

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Speaker 1: until January first, so I think that's when we start

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Speaker 1: looking into it. I wouldn't be surprised if Gavin was

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Speaker 1: okay with just taking a break. I miss Gavin. I

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Speaker 1: really like him. I think he's a smart guy, and

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Speaker 1: I agree whenever he wants to work again, he is

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Speaker 1: going to have options, and I think people lined up

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Speaker 1: to have him work. Lynn says, okay. Lynn asked the

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Speaker 1: question about Schumacher and Connor answered that one. Richard says,

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Speaker 1: what race you're looking forward to be at except for

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Speaker 1: the Indy five hundred next year? Always Long Beach. I'd say, actually,

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Speaker 1: always Saint Pete. It's the first race of the year.

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Speaker 1: I love that event. You could put it at the

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Speaker 1: end of the season, or in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: season or whenever, and I would love that. But since

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Speaker 1: it's the first, yeah, it's the first day of school

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Speaker 1: if you really liked school, and Long Beach is up there,

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Speaker 1: I want to see what Arlington is. I think that

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Speaker 1: has the possibility of being a fantastic event as well.

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Speaker 1: AJ asks about Connor's options. Foyd McLaren Indy five hundred

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Speaker 1: ride question Mark, I give that a chance at McLaren

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Speaker 1: If Ryan Hunter Ray is not going there, If Connor

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Speaker 1: Zillig is not going there. If they want some budgets,

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Speaker 1: then yeah, Connor is there. I think Connor and Hunter

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Speaker 1: Ray be my guest. We're in McLaren Dryer and Ryan Bold,

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Speaker 1: whichever one is in which and some of that's dependent

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Speaker 1: on who needs budget and so forth, but both very

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Speaker 1: very competent. Muhammed asked about Rena's VK and about engineers.

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Speaker 1: We don't know about engineers at this point, but they

816
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: have a solid staff. This is this is a program

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00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: that can grow in that regard. All right, any other

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Speaker 1: specific questions, I think that is all that came in today,

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Speaker 1: so we'll talk again next Tuesday. We've come to the

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Speaker 1: end of my motorsports broadcast season. It's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun and as I posted on social media, I

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Speaker 1: am really thankful. You know, a year ago, didn't know

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Speaker 1: what I was doing. I knew I would have some

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Speaker 1: work with NBC on sports cars, but the fact that

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Speaker 1: they let me do every race that I was available for,

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Speaker 1: and Fox let me do races on NBC while paying

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Speaker 1: me full time throughout the year, And hopefully we can

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Speaker 1: do that again next year and looking forward to it,

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Speaker 1: and we still have plenty of things to talk about

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Speaker 1: in the off season. We need to find out about

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Speaker 1: Honda and a lot more. We'll talk about that next

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Speaker 1: Tuesday on track Side